UAC sent an installation batch of new generation T-50 aircraft for the Ministry of Defense

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The head of the United Aircraft Building Corporation, Yuri Slusar, said that the first T-50 multi-purpose fighters (PAK FA) of the new generation began to arrive for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. About this Yuri Slyusar said on the TV channel Russia-24. We are talking about the so-called installation party.

UAC sent an installation batch of new generation T-50 aircraft for the Ministry of Defense


Yury Slyusar:
The PAK FA is being successfully implemented, and we are starting to deliver the installation batch in the interests of the Ministry of Defense.


Now T-50 aircraft are being tested in flight test centers. Earlier it was reported that the new generation of aircraft will begin to arrive in the Air Force of the Russian Federation in 2016 year.

One of the features of the T-50 aircraft is its ability to detect “invisible” aircraft. Such a detection was made possible by equipping the aircraft with the newest radar, the antennas of which are located in the skin of the aircraft along with other elements of electronics. The T-50 uses the Himalaya EW complex. Multipurpose fighter has 14 points for suspension weapons. These weapons also pass a series of special tests along with the aircraft itself.
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  1. -208
    30 January 2015 18: 48
    Another balobol wassat
    1. +100
      30 January 2015 18: 53
      Are you dear to yourself !? wink
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +11
        30 January 2015 19: 00
        Quote: makst83
        Are you dear to yourself !?


        No ... it's about the "newly minted" head of the UAC soldier I hope everyone is clear now ... what IT is wassat

        especially "struck" .. "supply in the interests of the Ministry of Defense" belay ..and in whose interests will fighter fighters be delivered ??? belay
        In the interests of housewives or bazaar merchants? Or will commercial airlines show interest? wassat
        1. +17
          30 January 2015 19: 08
          Quote: vaf
          especially "struck"

          below
          fantastic infographic from "British Know-it-alls" by my buddy Bear -
          The infographic presents the T-50 development branch. It all starts with the prototype T-50 and 5 working versions - T-50 051-055. Next is the first production series, called the Su-50. Honestly, I have not heard official statements that the T-50 in the series will be named Su-50. Let me remind you that the Su-27 in the prototype was called the T-10. But let’s leave it to the conscience of the British who do the infographics.

          In their opinion, the first Su-50 will appear in the Russian Air Force in 2016-21. About 60 units will be delivered. Receipts will begin in January 2016. In the same 2016 we will begin supplying the version of Su-50Е for India in the amount of 144 units. Frankly, I doubt it. Indians will not be able to work with a single pilot version. In 2018, 20 Su-50EK will go to South Korea. By the way, if the Koreans do not change their minds, then this will be a breakthrough for the Russian defense industry. We will begin to deliver weapons to virtually direct US allies. In the 2022 year, 20 units of Su-50EC will receive Iran.

          And somewhere in 2020 Russia, together with India, will develop a two-pilot version of the Su-50-FGFA, especially for the Indian Air Force. According to this infographic, the two-pilot Su-50-FGFAM will also go to the Russian Air Force. Where did the British get this information from? I have no idea. I never heard anything about the two-seater version of the Su-50 for the Russian Air Force.

          Well, see for yourself, in full size you can see it here: http://cont.ws/uploads/posts/73509.jpg

          [thumb] http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2015-01/1422634111_73509.jpg [/ thumb]


          1. VAF
            VAF
            +5
            30 January 2015 19: 12
            Quote: Rus2012
            below


            Yes, this "picture" is already like another 10 "wandering" .... but the picture is the picture and .. "rainbow wishlist and wishlist" soldier
            Wow how to justify the money invested wink

            Clickable wink

            1. +9
              30 January 2015 20: 13
              Thanks, Vaf, made a pic. slave. the table.
              1. +4
                31 January 2015 18: 48
                Catch one more
            2. -33
              30 January 2015 21: 03
              Wafel, what on woof .. come on?
              1. +23
                30 January 2015 23: 33
                Quote: tolian
                Wafel, what on woof .. come on?

                You would be less rude to strangers!
                Here Sergey has long been known and most respected.
            3. The comment was deleted.
          2. +3
            30 January 2015 21: 44
            This is their winner of the battle of psychics predicted))) In another way, I do not know how they still learned the exact numbers of supplies and their designations ...
        2. -64
          30 January 2015 19: 15
          It is not excluded that for agriculture for pollination of fields, to replace the "maize".
          1. +1
            31 January 2015 17: 56
            Very funny.
        3. proletariat1974
          -1
          30 January 2015 20: 19
          and what is wrong?
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +8
            30 January 2015 20: 21
            Quote: proletarian1974
            and what is wrong?


            Where is the plane ... installation party, i.e. T-50-6-2 ???? Facts in the studio fellow

            Or do you have at least Statements from the Chief Designer? wink
        4. +15
          31 January 2015 01: 01
          Quote: vaf
          No .. it's about the "newly made" head of the UAC. I hope now everyone is clear ... what IT is

          Dear vaf - does not reach. Cheer for dumb - what is wrong? what Here Pogosyan was reproached for more than a year, they said that everything was bad in our kingdom, and then the composition was changed, and right there to the wall. It is clear that everyone was cutting the loot there, but let's not talk about cuts, about specific actions. Can this person give a new incentive to the aircraft industry of our country, or not? And why? hi
          1. +9
            31 January 2015 12: 53
            Quote: Manul
            Can this person give a new incentive to the aircraft industry of our country, or not? And why?

            Aksakals have big doubts:
            1. basic education of a new chapter - law faculty of Moscow State University
            2. previous career "partyfelenos" assistant to the head of the Ministry of Trade
            3. the "greatest connection with the aircraft industry" - the father was the director of the Rostov-on-Don plant

            And the tradition of the success of the Soviet MAP and other Great Ones with the "omnipotent nine" (9 main defense ministries of the USSR) is that the cadres always left their ranks: design engineer-chief department-director (head
            explicit constructor). Those. there were first of all competent technicians, and only then talented "successful managers" ...
            If there was technical talent and successes were shown in team management, then this direction was consolidated and developed at the highest courses of managers — strategic planning of enterprises. Like top command courses at military academies ...

            Of course, there were exceptions, for example the almighty Lavrenty Palych ... but that's why he was great, that he always selected worthy specialists for himself on the principle of "summing up the advantages and eliminating the shortcomings (he was not a techie-scientist)" ...
            1. +4
              31 January 2015 13: 05
              Quote: Rus2012
              Aksakals have big doubts:
              1. basic education of a new chapter - law faculty of Moscow State University
              2. previous career "partyfelenos" assistant to the head of the Ministry of Trade
              3. the "greatest connection with the aircraft industry" - the father was the director of the Rostov-on-Don plant

              Thank you for the information! hi
        5. +3
          31 January 2015 17: 17
          Quote: vaf
          especially "struck" .. "supply in the interests of the Ministry of Defense" belay ..and in whose interests will fighter fighters be delivered ??? belay
          In the interests of housewives or bazaar merchants? Or will commercial airlines show interest? wassat

          You have forgotten about the arms market. "Delivery in the interests of the Ministry of Defense" means that they will not be sold on the foreign market
        6. s1н7т
          -10
          31 January 2015 18: 11
          Logically, the delivery should be stupid in the Air Force. And in MO - Shoig, or what? laughing And this "newfound" - not a relative of the fact that out of 40 OA drug trafficking was noticed?
      2. BYV
        +2
        30 January 2015 19: 01
        Interesting. Not so long ago infa passed that the engines are under development. Am I confusing anything?
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +31
          30 January 2015 19: 05
          Quote: BYV
          Interesting. Not so long ago infa passed that the engines are under development. Am I confusing anything?


          Do not confuse, but these "motors" of the second stage are planned to be put on .... T-50 fighters of subsequent modifications.
          1. BYV
            +2
            30 January 2015 19: 11
            Thank you Now engines from DRY?
            1. +12
              30 January 2015 21: 49
              Quote: BYV
              Thank you Now engines from DRY?

              Now the engines from the T-50 of the first stage. AL-41F1 (Product 117).
          2. +2
            30 January 2015 19: 11
            Hello hello drinks ! I got the impression that we will still remember great software with "respect" fool
            1. +12
              30 January 2015 23: 43
              Quote: TSOOBER
              that we will remember great software with "respect"

              Do not confuse, the Great Poe is Polikarpov! Yes
              And the current one is an official, albeit of a high rank.
      3. +2
        30 January 2015 19: 06
        Well, that’s where it started, let's hope that the process of delivering T-50 fighters to our Air Force will become irreversible and will no longer be interrupted under any sauce.
        1. +3
          30 January 2015 19: 27
          news about the delivery of the updated fleet is always good news, I wonder who put the three minuses?
          1. VAF
            VAF
            0
            30 January 2015 19: 47
            Quote: OlegLex
            , I wonder who put the three minuses?


            If you're talking about an article, then ... I put one of them! soldier
            fellow"the news about the delivery of the updated fleet is always good news" wassat
            List you a list of "Loud Surnames" that "broadcast the same news" about "imaginary deliveries" in 2012.13.14? wassat
            1. proletariat1974
              +13
              30 January 2015 20: 23
              just zaminusuy feel better
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      5. proletariat1974
        0
        30 January 2015 20: 18
        dear to myself
      6. The comment was deleted.
      7. +14
        30 January 2015 21: 26
        Promising multirole fighter T-50 was created within the framework of the "Advanced Aviation Complex of Frontline Aviation" (PAK FA) program. The development of the aircraft was started at the P.O. Sukhoi Design Bureau in the late 1990s. The PAK FA project competition, announced in April-May 2001, was won in 2002 by the T-50 fighter project. The chief designer of the aircraft is A. Davidenko. The full-scale design of the T-50 began after the defense of the preliminary design in 2004. The production of a series of prototypes of the T-50 began at the KnAAPO plant (Komsomolsk-on-Amur) at the end of 2006. The prototype T-50-1 made its maiden flight on January 29, 2010. at the Dzemgi airfield in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
        Aircraft performance characteristics:
        Crew - 1 pax
        Length - 20,8 m (estimated) - 22 m (media)
        Wingspan - 14,2 m (score and media)
        Height - 5,5 m (estimated)
        Wing area:
        - 104-120 sq.m (estimated, according to various sources)
        - 78.8 sq.m (media)
        Maximum weight - 32000 kg (estimate), 37000 kg (media), 35480 kg (2012, official data)
        Normal mass - 24000-26000 kg (estimated, 26000 kg - media)
        Empty weight - 18500 kg (estimated and media)
        Fuel mass - 11000 kg (maximum, estimated) - 10300 l (media)
        Payload mass:
        - 7500 kg (maximum, possibly according to TTZ)
        - 3000 kg (estimated in internal compartments)
        - 10000 kg (2012 g., Official data)
        Maximum speed:
        - up to 2600 km / h (estimated, possibly according to TTZ)
        - 2100 km / h (afterburning, 2012 g., Official data)
        - 2.35 M (estimated, possibly according to TTZ)
        Cruising Speed:
        - more than 1 M (according to TTZ)
        - 1300-1800 km / h (estimated)
        Range:
        - 5500 km with refueling (estimated, possibly according to the TTZ as well as 2012, official data)
        - 3600-4000 km (estimated, without refueling)
        - 2700 kg (without PTB with combat load, 2012, official data)
        Ceiling - 20000 m (2012 g., Official data)
        Take-off run:
        - from 300-400 m (media)
        - 350 m (2012 g., Official data)

        1. +3
          31 January 2015 13: 50
          Quote: Duke
          Aircraft performance characteristics:

          drinks That’s right. That’s ours. TTX of the discussed technique (and also with the video ..) in the studio at every opportunity. Thank! hi
        2. +1
          31 January 2015 23: 08
          A fabulous car, the operator did a good job in all its glory.
      8. +4
        31 January 2015 14: 15
        Quote: makst83
        Are you dear to yourself !?

        Well, what are you attacking minus? How many planes are in this batch? How many fly around already? Minus can be set for too soft definition.
    2. +11
      30 January 2015 18: 54
      And what is he a balabol? Apparently in your opinion this article does not agree with what they write in Ukropia and gayEurope?
      1. Steel loli
        -31
        30 January 2015 18: 59
        Have you not heard that the new engines for the T-50 are not ready yet? I some know this ...

        And if this "installation batch" with old dry engines was stupidly released for the 2015 parade in order to surprise the plebs with the abundance of new equipment in the troops ... then this is sad.
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        2. +20
          30 January 2015 19: 03
          Even with these engines, dynamics and maneuverability are better than those of the F-22. Why then doesn’t it make sense to make such a batch of excellent equipment which in the current conditions is simply very important for Russia !?
          1. BYV
            -12
            30 January 2015 19: 08
            Quote: awg75
            Even with such engines, dynamics and maneuverability are better than those of the F-22

            Were there any comparisons? Have you personally carried out a test drive?
          2. Steel loli
            -12
            30 January 2015 19: 09
            What is the point in a batch of unfinished equipment with a total value of 2 full-fledged S-400 divisions?
            Just hang out at the parade? Explain to me please.
            1. proletariat1974
              -1
              30 January 2015 20: 24
              why immediately show off
            2. +11
              30 January 2015 22: 07
              Quote: Steel Loli
              What is the point in a batch of unfinished equipment with a total value of 2 full-fledged S-400 divisions?
              Just hang out at the parade? Explain to me please.


              The installation party transferred to the troops may consist of 3-10 aircraft, you ask for what? It’s just the continuation of factory tests, so that the pilots on the spot give their conclusions, make adjustments, comments, this is a common practice when they introduce new equipment. Kalashnikov, for example, changed the shape of the bolt handle at the request of the soldiers. As for engines, an airplane is not only an engine, it is also a glider, avionics, weapons and everything needs to be tested.
            3. +5
              31 January 2015 05: 14
              Quote: Steel Loli
              What is the point in a batch of unfinished equipment with a total value of 2 full-fledged S-400 divisions?

              Was there an official statement that the product was "unfinished"? Where, when, who announced? ... hi
          3. VAF
            VAF
            +9
            30 January 2015 19: 09
            Quote: awg75
            Why then doesn’t it make sense to make such a batch of excellent equipment which in the current conditions is simply very important for Russia !?


            There is a sense. But ... a question ... HOW MUCH did in 2014 ????? soldier
            At what stage of the ICG are prototypes now ???

            Who will you supply this excellent technology to? What airbases? Where does ITS study? Where are ground-based SNOPs ???

            Or as with the Su-35S .... "service podzaboring" ??? wink
            1. +16
              30 January 2015 19: 42
              Quote: vaf
              Who will you supply this excellent technology to? What airbases? Where does ITS study? Where are ground-based SNOPs ???

              Digging deep, my dear. After all, it is clearly written - the installation party, that is, to address all the issues you have raised.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +2
                30 January 2015 20: 19
                Quote: mark1
                Digging deep, my dear.


                How do i know soldier

                Quote: mark1
                After all, it is clearly written - the installation party, that is, to address all the issues you have raised.


                Actually, it says differently wink if it's simple. it says there .. "load oranges in barrels."

                And in order to begin to declare the installation batch, you must at least raise the extreme of the prototypes on the wing, i.e. 50-6-1, and then ... "declare".

                And how do you imagine it .... first the plane. and then ITS, SNOP and BASE ????

                Yeah, that's for sure .. wassat
                1. +8
                  30 January 2015 21: 56
                  Quote: vaf
                  And how do you imagine it .... first the plane. and then ITS, SNOP and BASE ????

                  Yeah, that's for sure ..

                  Judging by your bravado, you are a specialist who is in this topic directly - a janitor or something?
                2. +14
                  31 January 2015 02: 52
                  You’re kind of an adult, and you’re like from kindergarten, by golly, and even resentment and emotions like a woman’s, forgive me ... Well, like a specialist, like in this field, everything is like that, but there is no respect for you just for yours behavior, and not only it seems to me.
            2. +14
              30 January 2015 20: 04
              [quote = vaf]

              [quote] There is a sense. but .. a question ... HOW MUCH did in 2014 year ????? soldier
              At what stage of the ICG are prototypes now ???

              Who will you supply this excellent technology to? What airbases? Where does ITS study? Where are ground-based SNOPs ??? [/ quote]


              What's this? Questionnaire from a resident?
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +1
                30 January 2015 20: 24
                Quote: hrapon
                What's this? Questionnaire from a resident?


                No, this is a "questionnaire" - a "sober" for "uryakalok" wassat

                Or have you forgotten how you went to the exams? Question-answer and .. it is immediately clear .. where are you in the experts or in .. "political officers" wink
                1. +3
                  30 January 2015 22: 26
                  Well, here it is the same. PR articles and infographics (notice which term was coined) are very effective. And, here, one might even say, soviet, R&D (I mean the engines) - this is no longer a managerial business.
            3. +7
              30 January 2015 23: 53
              Quote: vaf
              At what stage of the ICG are prototypes now ???
              Who will you supply this excellent technology to? What airbases? Where does ITS study? Where are ground-based SNOPs ???

              In the Ukrainian General Staff, such information is called "Locked!" soldier
            4. 0
              1 February 2015 17: 53
              Judging by the avatar / if it is not a linden / should know how to do it. Instructors and ground workers in factories, and the rest in centers and units.
            5. 0
              1 February 2015 17: 53
              Judging by the avatar / if it is not a linden / should know how to do it. Instructors and ground workers in factories, and the rest in centers and units.
        3. +27
          30 January 2015 19: 28
          Quote: Steel Loli
          Have you not heard that the new engines for the T-50 are not ready yet? I some know this ...

          And if this "installation batch" with old dry engines was stupidly released for the 2015 parade in order to surprise the plebs with the abundance of new equipment in the troops ... then this is sad.

          Everything has its time. It is better to produce so far with sufficiently developed and not very bad SU-35 engines, than to put in raw materials or not produce anything at all with the risk of accidents, but stupidly wait for a new engine and fly on morally (or even physically) outdated su-27s. Time is not something to wait. Let there be airplanes with engines of the first stage for now, which will not be any, at the same time they will fine-tune the production and prepare the pilots. At the same time, we should not take an example from the Americans with their hastily adopted poorly-designed F-22 and F-35s, which still have not gotten rid of numerous childhood illnesses, and some of them are unlikely to get rid of when they need to be re-developed.
          By the way, have you ever something complicated or even not very developed, or at least experienced? Everything takes time and more. So, do not drive the geese. hi
          1. +2
            30 January 2015 20: 17
            hi
            Quote: PENZYAC
            So don't drive the geese
            hi hi hi drinks
          2. proletariat1974
            +2
            30 January 2015 20: 26
            totally agree
          3. +6
            30 January 2015 23: 12
            Quote: PENZYAC
            Everything has its time. It is better to produce so far with sufficiently developed and not very bad SU-35 engines, than to put in raw materials or not produce anything at all with the risk of accidents, but stupidly wait for a new engine and fly on morally (or even physically) outdated su-27s. Time is not something to wait. Let there be airplanes with engines of the first stage for now, which will not be any, at the same time they will fine-tune the production and prepare the pilots.

            I absolutely agree with you! Many products began their journey out of the sky with engines of previous generations. Many technical solutions were worked out on them, which made it possible in the future to significantly reduce the time of their commissioning! Waiting for the engine to be created and then making the glider and everything else is just a crime! Even "Buran" learned to fly on engines from TUShek!
            1. +5
              31 January 2015 00: 01
              Quote: Tol100v
              Many products began their journey out of the box with the engines of previous generations.

              LaGG-3 was also considered an ugly duckling.
              But, having reborn with the right engine, the La-5 is all aboutwhopitchfork.
          4. Andrejka
            +1
            31 January 2015 00: 09
            I'm sorry, but do not need the soldiers to test the plane first before starting the release? usually weapons are always a limited number of commissioned for testing in the aircraft
            1. 0
              31 January 2015 13: 38
              Quote: Andrejka
              Sorry, but the plane does not need soldiers to test?

              Sorry, but the planes are not soldiers experiencing.
        4. +4
          30 January 2015 21: 02
          There are engines fully meeting the requirements for a fifth-generation fighter: there is a controlled thrust vector, plasma ignition and supersonic output without afterburner. Second-generation engines will simply be even more powerful.
        5. +3
          30 January 2015 21: 42
          More precisely, not only everyone knows ...
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        7. +4
          30 January 2015 21: 57
          Quote: Steel Loli
          Have you not heard that the new engines for the T-50 are not ready yet? I some know this ...

          You are not up to date. Engines AL-41F1 (Product 117) have long been ready and produced, their parameters correspond to fifth-generation engines.
          Now in development are even newer and more advanced engines of the second stage.
          1. +3
            30 January 2015 23: 44
            Product 117 does not fully meet the requirement for a fifth-generation fighter, the PakFa with these engines at the rear has a very large epr. The fifth generation fighter engine should have angular nozzle shapes, in order to reduce EPR (at least F22 and F35, for example) .In addition, from the top and bottom of the F22, the hot gases of the engine are almost invisible in the infrared range (except for afterburning), the nozzles are cold since they are shielded, and in Pak Fa they are heated up to hundreds of degrees, and an excellent target for a rocket with an infrared seeker.
            1. Andrejka
              +1
              31 January 2015 00: 13
              and corresponds to traction? Or do you make a super-duper engine first, and then start testing the car? you must first conduct a test, then to take into account shortcomings when installing new engines
            2. +2
              31 January 2015 01: 15
              F-22 engines do not have a thrust vector that can be changed in all projections (only vertical), in addition, Saturn engines are lighter, probably they will be shielded in the future, although this is difficult for an all-round UVT.
              1. -7
                31 January 2015 15: 14
                The Americans felt that they did not need super-maneuverability, there was nothing complicated for all foreshortening UVT, just the nozzles needed to be made square and screened from all sides.
                In the future, probably in engines for the sixth generation, the combustion chamber will be drowned deeper into the fuselage and will implement a cooling system for the hot gases of the engine.
                After all, the meaning of cruising in supersonic flight without turning on afterburner, is fuel consumption increasing? Just because the plane did not unmask the 30 meter jet stream.
                1. 0
                  2 February 2015 17: 13
                  Um, if you cool the gases inside the aircraft, not only will you spend a ton of energy on cooling these gases, but the traction will disappear). Think yourself, why heat the gases, then to cool)?
                  And yes, the raptor’s consumption on afterburner supersonic cruising mode is no worse than afterburner.
            3. +7
              31 January 2015 02: 45
              I’m embarrassed to ask, did you measure the ESR of these engines yourself? And who provided you the data on the IR signature of the 35th and 22nd? Did Discovery look yes)?
            4. +4
              31 January 2015 05: 27
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              Product 117 does not fully meet the requirement for a fifth generation fighter

              So after all, he writes that "new modifications" of the engine are in development. But this does not mean that because of this it is necessary to postpone the release of the aircraft itself indefinitely. "There is no limit to perfection" (C) ... hi
            5. 0
              1 February 2015 19: 55
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              The 117 product does not fully meet the requirement for a fifth-generation fighter, the PakFa with these engines at the rear has a very large epr. The fifth generation fighter engine should have an angular nozzle shape, in order to reduce EPR (example F22 and F35

              The parameters necessary for the fifth generation are determined in each case separately. For Americans, invisibility in the IR range and EPR from the rear is more important, this comes from the tactics of their use, crept unnoticed, fired rockets and, preferably, imperceptibly, so that the ass isn’t scuffed, but for the Russian Air Force, over-maneuverability is more important. Here I do not see any contradictions, to each his own. So for us, the 117 engine is quite suitable for the 5 generation
        8. +1
          31 January 2015 05: 21
          Quote: Steel Loli
          And if this "installation batch" with old dry engines was stupidly released for the 2015 parade in order to surprise the plebs with the abundance of new equipment in the troops ... then this is sad.

          Have you ever heard that before the launch of a specific "product" (in our case, it is T50), both "factory" and "operational" tests are carried out without fail? Nothing reveals possible "errors" in the design and performance characteristics of complex equipment as well as its operation in conditions as close to real ones as possible. Something is wrong?... hi
      2. VAF
        VAF
        -7
        30 January 2015 19: 01
        Quote: awg75
        And what is he a balabol?


        In everything !!! soldier
        1. +2
          30 January 2015 20: 44
          Sergey tell me where from the suspension points on the 50 14? In my opinion, everything is hidden in the gut. If only additional tanks outside? what
          1. +11
            30 January 2015 21: 00
            Quote: sandrmur76
            Sergey tell me where from the suspension points on the 50 14? In my opinion, everything is hidden in the gut. If only additional tanks outside? what

            How do you imagine fastening in the "guts"? Whether in bulk or on belts? Of course, on pendants.
            1. +4
              30 January 2015 21: 21
              Thanks. Doperlo! The whole suspension inside drinks
          2. 0
            1 February 2015 19: 46
            Quote: sandrmur76
            tell me where on t50 14 points of the suspension? In my opinion everything is hidden in the gut. If only additional tanks outside?

            The suspension is not only external ...
        2. +3
          31 January 2015 14: 32
          vaf-Speaking of balobolstvo, so you found out where your airplane has an ABSU or so it flies in glorious ignorance (there is no clue on Wikipedia!)?
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      3. s1н7т
        +1
        31 January 2015 18: 22
        Learn to write in Russian, and then consider what you wrote. If you have brain rudiments, you will blush from shame. The VAF did not write a word about anyone other than "balabol". VAF is a veteran of the USSR Armed Forces, he can talk about many things, relying on life and service experience. Without unnecessary emotions and stupid hats. What do you rely on, besides ignorance of Russian?
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        2. +3
          31 January 2015 22: 38
          s1n7tu - "... relying on work experience ..." - a person positions himself as a pilot-pilot, but at the same time does not know where his aircraft has an ABSU system, and THIS is nonsense! THIS CAN'T BE! NO! All his life experience and knowledge are drawn from Wikipedia! And that he is a veteran of the Armed Forces, well, there are also veterans of the Armed Forces among us, but they do not hit themselves in the chest so deliberately and they don’t tear the vests on their chest in righteous anger! And this bad trait - all who do not agree with him - minus! It's not good and disgusting somehow ...
    3. Anatoly_39
      0
      30 January 2015 18: 57
      You yourself are a balobol. Want all and "all" info at once.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +7
        30 January 2015 20: 28
        Quote: Anatoly_39
        Want all and "all" info at once.


        And what do I want, I know it .. this "old" and so .. and periodically "see".

        And the fact that people like you are trying to do from a Normal Military Site..BALAGAN.kindergarten..this is not at all clear request
        1. 0
          31 January 2015 14: 38
          For a "connoisseur" question -Vaf, do you change summer tires for winter tires on your plane "according to the weather" or by the Order of the Chief of the General Staff "About switching to summer (winter) uniforms?"
    4. +3
      30 January 2015 19: 01
      Quote: TSOOBER
      Another balobol

      Well, what is it? That is not good news, then pampered!
    5. +1
      30 January 2015 19: 08
      Who? You are smart.
    6. +8
      30 January 2015 20: 13
      In picked up "-" even glad laughing , ready to put my "general's stars" in the mortgage crying the fact that we will not see the installation batch of T-50 this year (a maximum of two cars, one of which is a restored T-50-05, for the patriots cheers the question is: how much is it already being restored?)
      Who is willing to take a chance?
      Until the UAC is headed by a dedicated professional who has connected his life with aviation and is ready to tell the truth regardless of his face, we will see slogans instead of airplanes!
      1. proletariat1974
        0
        30 January 2015 20: 27
        sheer truth
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +3
        30 January 2015 20: 33
        Quote: TSOOBER
        (maximum two cars


        Igor, if for the installation batch .. then maybe at the end of the year one T-50-6-2 bully +!

        Yes, and I did the same .. 2 grabbed 2. But I’m no stranger to .. only then, when everything is confirmed ... "approved" minus quickly heads into .. sand .. like ostriches wassat
        1. +5
          30 January 2015 20: 57
          Don't give a damn about "-" crying , not for the sake of pursuit I follow this site. It is patriotic not to shout "Hurray" about or not fellow but tell the truth recourse no matter how bitter it is!
          As for the T-50-6-2, I can not wait good
          1. +1
            30 January 2015 23: 46
            The truth was told a few years ago: the first batches of serial versions of the T-50 were supposed to be made on the "old" AL-41F, which has been produced since 2008 and was intended for canceled versions of the fifth generation aircraft.

            The first Su-27s also flew on the old AL-21, as AL-31 was still in development.
      3. -1
        30 January 2015 22: 51
        and you put your "stars" then we will see.
      4. +1
        31 January 2015 05: 30
        Quote: TSOOBER
        and ready to tell the truth regardless of faces

        Who else would have allowed him. Have you heard anything about the "secrecy mode"? ... hi
      5. 0
        31 January 2015 13: 15
        Quote: TSOOBER
        ready to tell the truth

        this does not happen. immediately removed. the essence of the manager is to hang noodles on your ears and knock out the loot from the state budget.
    7. +3
      31 January 2015 06: 07
      And why minus the man - there are questions - as far as I remember there are questions about the car - did you make an engine for him? or deliveries with the old engine - and this is a very important question, because the plane is honestly 2 things - the engine and the glider are second
    8. +1
      31 January 2015 20: 13
      And what is the installation party, what people ride on the ears.
  2. +7
    30 January 2015 18: 50
    what a nice day and besides Friday it's a pity to change
    1. +10
      30 January 2015 18: 54
      Quote: _Alexey_
      what a nice day and besides Friday it's a pity to change


      I'm on vacation, drink for you drinks
      1. +6
        30 January 2015 19: 01
        Better not "instead of you" but - "on your behalf"! drinks
        1. 0
          30 January 2015 19: 02
          Quote: T100
          Better not "instead of you" but - "on your behalf"! drinks


          I agree.
      2. +2
        30 January 2015 19: 03
        thank you very much for your solidity
      3. proletariat1974
        0
        30 January 2015 20: 28
        just support day off
    2. Anatoly_39
      +1
      30 January 2015 18: 59
      We are on the shift. wink Just shifts do not match
  3. +7
    30 January 2015 18: 51
    Already the party stuck, hmm! what
    1. +29
      30 January 2015 18: 58
      I will explain a little:
      Installation batch (series) - the first industrial batch manufactured during the period of production development according to the technical documentation of serial or mass production in order to confirm the readiness of production to produce products with established requirements and in specified volumes.

      hi drinks
      1. +2
        30 January 2015 19: 01
        Thank you so much! hi
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +7
        30 January 2015 19: 26
        Quote: major071
        I will explain a little:


        That's right, +! But ..this is THEORY..which is with OUR REALITY .. well, not connected in any way!

        By the way, yesterday, i.e. January 29, our PAK FA was the first small anniversary. drinks
        January 29, 2010 Sergey Bogdan took off the first flight from the factory airfield in Komsomolsk-on-Amur T-50-1.



        So how many "uryapatriots" have been produced in 5 (!!!!!) years? What .. for one place wassat
        1. +13
          30 January 2015 19: 45
          Amers f 35 When he took off? And just the other day I became PARTLY ready for military use!
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        3. +11
          30 January 2015 19: 48
          The first take-offs of the F-22 were in 1990.

          The first pre-production car took off on September 7, 1997.

          Serial production of the aircraft began in 2001. On January 14, 2003, the first F-22 entered the Nellis military base, located in the Nevada desert. By 2004, a total of 51 aircraft were built.

          The Americans released 51 aircraft in 14 years.
          Not so bad smile
          1. +1
            30 January 2015 20: 00
            The conversation was about F-35
            1. +3
              30 January 2015 20: 13
              I answered vaf. He did not talk about the F-35. And it’s incorrect to compare the T-50 and F-35, these are completely different planes with different tasks.
        4. +20
          30 January 2015 20: 22
          Quote: vaf
          So how many "uryapatriots" have been produced in 5 (!!!!!) years? What .. for one place

          Mig29
          First flight October 6, 1977
          Start of operation: July 1983
          SUDDENLY 6 years
          Su27
          The first flight of the T-10-1: May 20, 1977
          Start of operation 1985
          SUDDENLY 8 years
          Mig31
          First flight: September 16, 1975
          Commencement of operation on May 6, 1981
          Again nearly 6 years
          F22
          First flight of YF-22: September 29, 1990
          F-22: September 7, 1997
          Start of operation December 15, 2005
          And here 8 years, and with YF 25 years!

          Here is such a shitty aircraft industry in the USSR and the USA? It is clear that Poghosyan is to blame. Apparently his unwillingness to eat porridge in kindergarten had a bad effect on aviation not only in the Union but also in the USA
          1. +7
            30 January 2015 23: 25
            Yes, it's not about the timing of the flight of the first prototype to operation, but the fact is that "Hurray" must be shouted after the fact and not because of the wishes and slogans! the first will shout "hurray" and "give", and so promises and nothing more!
            Industry in the USSR was oh-so, today's Russia is very far from it (how many highly qualified specialists are needed in the UAC-thousands), who will actually produce airplanes? There is no one! But there are still a lot of allies (take an interest in how many can be released per year) the same AFAR radars), so one for one clinging terms are shifted and shifted!
            1. +3
              31 January 2015 06: 28
              Quote: TSOOBER
              ... I will be the first to shout "hurray" and "give", and so promises and nothing more!
              Industry in the USSR was wow, today's Russia is very far from it (how many highly qualified specialists there are in the UAC-thousands) ...

              It is gratifying to see such a caring person!
              And you do not scream, DO. Not an airplane - a nut for an airplane! You look good and advanced, the best nut in the world, and the performance characteristics of the whole product improve. good
              1. +5
                31 January 2015 10: 56
                Okay I didn’t want to, but I will unsubscribe!
                About two weeks ago, representatives of the Tula arms factory came to our enterprise (Minsk, Belarus), studied our equipment (we manufacture cutting, molds, stamps), at the expense of manufacturing equipment for manufacturing the AK-12 receiver cover, took pictures of equipment, etc. etc. and if everything grows together then I can also put my hand in (grinder)!
                Claims are not for me!
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            2. +5
              31 January 2015 06: 35
              Quote: TSOOBER
              "Hurray" must be shouted after the fact

              There was such a tradition in the USSR. And there was also a tradition to spit in the face of someone who yells "this is the end, we will all die." They did not like defeatists in the Union. Since the Second World War they did not like. If you want to return the first, return the second.
              And at the moment, any lack of official information immediately gives rise to "liberal myths" (in fact, ordered articles) enthusiastically telling about what will not fly, swallows stones, stole everything, Americans are better, all military pilots are psychopathic drug addicts, and the gene. the designer drank himself and his son was a corporal
        5. proletariat1974
          0
          30 January 2015 20: 29
          super plane
    2. 0
      30 January 2015 19: 15
      Now it will be necessary to increase the production of the T-50 in order to level the American advantage in the number of fifth-generation heavy fighters.
      1. +2
        30 January 2015 20: 27
        Quote: Penelope
        to level
        it's you loud, at least cut it.
      2. -2
        31 January 2015 05: 34
        Quote: Penelope
        fifth-generation heavy fighter advantage

        Do they have such an "advantage"? The F-35 has already entered service? ... smile
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    4. 11111mail.ru
      +2
      30 January 2015 20: 27
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Already batchиfallen, hmm!

      Riveting is the process of joining structural elements with rivets, as a result of which an integral Rivet connection is formed. http://enc-dic.com/enc_sovet/Klpka-25605/
      Therefore ... е Pali.
  4. +1
    30 January 2015 18: 54
    What a nonsense. Here they’ll sort it out by air when, where and which board was sent, and here on you. Installation party .... By the way, I didn’t like the mention of the 14 weapon suspension points. Poghosyan decided not to bother in the weapons compartments? type so come down?
    1. 0
      30 January 2015 18: 59
      Customer Banks
    2. -3
      30 January 2015 18: 59
      Well, his range is higher than that of f22, which means that the whole place went under the fuel tanks.
      1. +3
        30 January 2015 19: 05
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        the whole place went under the fuel tanks.

        And why then it was necessary to fence the garden ????
    3. SSR
      +9
      30 January 2015 19: 07
      Quote: tomket
      What a nonsense. Here they’ll sort it out by air when, where and which board was sent, and here on you. Installation party .... By the way, I didn’t like the mention of the 14 weapon suspension points. Poghosyan decided not to bother in the weapons compartments? type so come down?

      An airplane doesn’t always need super duper stealth, if you need to hack a column of terrorists they will hang it on all 14 points, and if the war is with a high-tech enemy, then it’s in compartments
      Quote: Reduktor
      What is the installation party ???

      there Komrad wrote above about what the installation party is and by the way, in February, the installation party in the amount of 20 pieces should be transferred to Armata in order to pass tests in the troops.
      1. 0
        30 January 2015 19: 14
        Quote from S.S.R.
        the column of terrorists is then suspended on all 14 points, and if the war is with a high-tech enemy, then in the compartments

        I am aware that the external one is also applicable to the Raptor. The fact that the article focuses on listing the number of external suspensions, and not on the number of placement of missiles in internal ones, raises doubts. therefore, it can be assumed that it is the external location that will be basic and basic, if not the only possible one ... or maybe just the incompetence of the one who wrote the article or gave the interview ...
        1. +2
          30 January 2015 20: 07
          Where did you see the word "external"? Stop hysteria and replicate idiocy.
  5. 0
    30 January 2015 18: 55
    What is the installation party ???
    1. +13
      30 January 2015 19: 03
      Installation series - the first industrial batch manufactured during the period of production development according to the technical documentation of serial or mass production in order to confirm the readiness of production to produce products with established requirements and in specified volumes.
      1. +2
        30 January 2015 21: 01
        And it can be connected to the state tests. This was the case with the Su-25T in 1991. Then they managed to overtake several cars from Tbilisi, which were then modified and participated in flights under the State Test Program.
        Most likely, a "preliminary conclusion" could be issued on the launch of the aircraft in series. Usually it is issued even before the completion of the State tests.
  6. +1
    30 January 2015 18: 56
    Sewed in the ass Uncle Sam!
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  7. Alexashka
    0
    30 January 2015 18: 57
    And what is the installation party?
    1. +3
      30 January 2015 19: 01
      Quote: Alexashka
      And what is the installation party?

      Installation series - the first industrial batch manufactured during the period of production development according to the documentation of serial or mass production in order to confirm the readiness of production to produce products with established requirements and in specified volumes.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        0
        30 January 2015 20: 33
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        to release products with established requirements

        For completeness of happiness, read a lecture on the application of GOST B15-307.
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    4. 0
      1 February 2015 22: 39
      we read diagonally?, they’ve chewed them for the third time, as I understood for a long time
  8. +2
    30 January 2015 18: 58
    And when is he from T-50 to SU- .. preferable?
  9. +2
    30 January 2015 19: 01
    What is the installation lot? And in what quantity?
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    2. +1
      30 January 2015 19: 06
      Well, for sure at least two. But the question is legitimate. A lot is how much in pieces?
      1. +1
        30 January 2015 19: 14
        the meaning of this article is not very clear ... and also, if such a fact takes place, the meaning of this installation party (why simply put) and the number of aircraft in such a party. There are many questions.
      2. -1
        30 January 2015 19: 21
        Party? There is such a party! Party of workers and peasants! (V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin))
      3. 11111mail.ru
        -1
        30 January 2015 20: 39
        Quote: siberalt
        Well, for sure at least two.

        One copy for static tests. The second to let the leader in operating time. The third with a lagging hours. Fourth for testing design options. Fifth = spare.
    3. +1
      30 January 2015 19: 21
      Well, that is how much the EP party will establish, it will be draining!
  10. -1
    30 January 2015 19: 07
    It’s bad that out of these 14 suspension points, 8 are on the external suspension, and only 6 on the internal. At full combat load, the EPR increases.
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    2. 0
      30 January 2015 19: 35
      At full combat load, the EPR increases.

      As if for "stealth missions" a large bomb load is not needed. A pair of heavy UABs will fit inside and that's enough.
      1. -1
        30 January 2015 23: 26
        As for working out on ground targets, I agree, but again, in this case, the plane has a purely bomb load, and there is no armament for protection (the air gun is not considered), it is necessary to send other PakFa planes with air-to-air missiles for cover, but the stealth mission is still are airborne, fly up as close to the enemy as possible without being noticed, and launch missiles from the closest possible distance so that the enemy does not have time to use countermeasures.
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  12. +1
    30 January 2015 19: 12
    Most likely, we just need to congratulate all of us on the appearance of the first trial industrial batch. And this is a real gift! Experienced pilots fly on them, who will send all their comments to industrialists and designers. AVAILABLE - a new system for putting equipment at the disposal of the Air Force.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      +2
      30 January 2015 20: 42
      Quote: Abbra
      AVAILABLE - a new system for putting equipment at the disposal of the Air Force.

      ... which has been used since at least the 40s of the last century.
      1. -1
        30 January 2015 22: 18
        USED ​​... And now back.
  13. +1
    30 January 2015 19: 15
    That's good, and the Americans were given a special "treat."
    1. +4
      31 January 2015 05: 31
      That's for sure. They have such news - like a sickle .... genitals
  14. +4
    30 January 2015 19: 17
    Are you discussing a plane here or yourself?
  15. 0
    30 January 2015 19: 20
    Quote: vaf

    Do not confuse, but these "motors" of the second stage are planned to be put on .... T-50 fighters of subsequent modifications

    engines of the second stage will be put on the PAK FA in the 2016 year. But even with the engines of the first stage, the requirements for the parameters of the 5 generation fighter are met.
  16. 0
    30 January 2015 19: 29
    Choi is fast. I did not wait until next year. Therefore, I believe, when they show photos of at least the T-50 link standing at the airport. Those from the serial batch.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      +2
      30 January 2015 20: 51
      Quote: Wedmak
      a photo of at least the T-50 link standing at the airport.

      Aircraft = very expensive equipment, therefore, protective shelters = caponiers are used at the airfields for their permanent deployment, from which they are rolled out for flights.
      1. +2
        30 January 2015 21: 45
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Quote: Wedmak
        a photo of at least the T-50 link standing at the airport.

        Aircraft = very expensive equipment, therefore, protective shelters = caponiers are used at the airfields for their permanent deployment, from which they are rolled out for flights.


        Plates I see have been cracked long ago. Whose serf will you be?
      2. 0
        30 January 2015 23: 01
        Opposite these caponiers, very effective bombs and missiles in the west have already been created.
        1. 0
          1 February 2015 01: 49
          There is a difference between a crazy queue in passing and a special bomb.
          in addition, if there are more caponiers than airplanes, you will have to break everything for a guaranteed defeat, and this is a completely different cost of destruction.
        2. 0
          1 February 2015 21: 45
          Quote: Vadim237
          Opposite these caponiers, very effective bombs and missiles in the west have already been created.

          А КRotating carriers of "very effective bombs and missiles" in the East, well, very simply mind-blowingly effective air defense systems have been created ...
  17. 0
    30 January 2015 19: 30
    A beautiful plane, such camouflage suits him "face" ...
  18. +1
    30 January 2015 19: 39
    What is it, he just arrived, and immediately deliveries to the troops went, it was necessary to put it on the KLA ten years ago, now we would fly to SU-270.
  19. +4
    30 January 2015 19: 40
    This is a mystery covered in darkness. Maybe they returned to the methods of the NKVD-KGB? So that no one really knew anything? request If YES, worthy of respect. hi
    And then the adversaries will enter the "VO", and immediately everyone will know - what engines, missiles ... wink
    1. +1
      30 January 2015 19: 43
      Or maybe they returned to the methods of Stalin's "sharashka"? The speed at which new types of technology appear is starting to scare, while at the same time delighting.
      1. 0
        30 January 2015 19: 45
        Quote: Abbra
        The speed of the emergence of new models of technology begins to scare, while delighting.

        What scared you so? Especially for its record pace of appearance.
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      3. 0
        30 January 2015 19: 54
        I don’t think so. Russia now needs "sharashka" only for oligarchs or "pseudo-oligarchs". winked
        1. 0
          30 January 2015 20: 18
          Russia now needs "sharashki" only for oligarchs or "pseudo-oligarchs"

          It would be interesting to know that they were there.
          1. +1
            30 January 2015 20: 25
            Russian grandmothers are being returned back under the guise of creepy capitalists wink
        2. 0
          30 January 2015 20: 38
          They can only knit mittens ... Not that level.
          1. 0
            31 January 2015 00: 02
            If there wasn’t one, they would have already knitted. Rather, they sewed, mittens.
  20. serg papillon
    -1
    30 January 2015 19: 52
    What is the advantage of one pilot aircraft over two pilot so to speak? Who is the expert explain ... is it really a holy faith in electronics and super reliability of both the machine and the pilot?
    1. 0
      30 January 2015 20: 01
      Now the "war" will begin, about the layout of the second pilot or why he is needed there ...
    2. +1
      30 January 2015 20: 23
      Imagine - You are a pilot. And suddenly on the screen you see the enemy 120 km away, and behind the rocket "in pursuit" flies, and "Rita" - an overload in a gentle voice, and you were told over the air that you should wait for cruise missiles in this area, and then it was wounded.
      Can you keep up with this? Electronics also helps. If not, the second pilot operator. what
    3. 0
      30 January 2015 20: 41
      It's just that this and that have different tasks. One pilot performs front-line. With two pilots - deeper and more interesting. Yes and no, now there are two pilots: they do not twist the steering wheel together? There is a main pilot and operator. And with the improvement of electronics, there is already a multi-station programmer.
    4. 11111mail.ru
      0
      30 January 2015 20: 58
      Quote: serg.papillon
      What is the advantage of one pilot aircraft over two pilot so to speak?

      Well, at least give a ride to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief (just kidding). There are no "two-pilot aircraft", but there are aircraft with a second control, in common parlance "spark". It is necessary for the introduction of a new pilot, checking the piloting technique with the help of an instructor, when passing to class, etc.
  21. -2
    30 January 2015 19: 55
    Something I didn’t understand ... Sent an installation batch? Which one? Of completely new, freshly built aircraft? Then buzz. And if the batch is from a previously built one that we already know about and have seen, then it’s definitely a balabol ...
  22. -3
    30 January 2015 19: 56
    Quote: vaf
    Quote: major071
    I will explain a little:

    So how many "uryapatriots" have been produced in 5 (!!!!!) years? What .. for one place wassat

    only one question arises .. Are there advanced developments there? or finish Soviet developments!
    and then judging by the radar .... there is still the Soviet Union as they can’t finish!
    I’m silent about the new ...!
    1. +1
      30 January 2015 20: 43
      We will finish the workpieces and projects of the USSR for a very long time. And tomorrow they will finish the preparations and projects of modern Russia. Etc. Everyone stands on each other's shoulders. This is a normal evolution of engineering.
    2. +4
      30 January 2015 21: 23
      Yes, as much as you can about this - from your submission it’s a direct reproach of what kind: for some reason you forget what our fathers and grandfathers did (and some of us). By your logic, we needed everything that before 1991 was designed to be scrapped and started development from the Stone Age ??? And tell me, do you have a lot of weapons in the United States in the development of which was not used backlog until 1991 ???
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  24. +7
    30 January 2015 20: 09
    Quote: Steel Loli
    What is the point in a batch of unfinished equipment with a total value of 2 full-fledged S-400 divisions?
    Just hang out at the parade? Explain to me please.

    I'm not a flyer, but even with all my incompetence I know that a new plane must be flown. During the protocol tests, not all sores get out, because aircraft are tested by test pilots. But the planes of the so-called pilot batch will be flown by regular pilots, including at training ranges using weapons. Until new engines arrive, it will be approximately known about the design features (let's face it, the shortcomings) of the aircraft systems. Both designers and manufacturers will work on them ... The plane will be taught to fly and will learn to fly on it! As I understand it. Although, I do not exclude that I am mistaken. In any case, the T-50 should be put on the working wing as soon as possible. Even with the old engine ... how many Americans fly around their "F"? And flaws all climb out and climb out ...
  25. +5
    30 January 2015 20: 20
    Quote: Taram Taramych
    Sewed in the ass Uncle Sam!

    Some of our uncles have good plumage.
  26. -1
    30 January 2015 20: 23
    The installation batch is probably purely for piloting; the plane has not yet been completed.
  27. 0
    30 January 2015 20: 25
    As they say 6 "More goods, good and different."
  28. 0
    30 January 2015 20: 33
    By the way, I will add to my previous comment: A. Kuzmina's book "General Designer Pavel Sukhoi" says that the first batches of aircraft were always transferred to pilot training centers for flying around. This, as it seems to me, is the batch of installation planes.
    1. 0
      30 January 2015 20: 46
      That's right. The biggest victory is that we HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
  29. +10
    30 January 2015 21: 11
    I read the comments of readers and it is difficult for me, a tanker, to discuss this or that aspect in aviation, but for some reason the "collective" of the Military Review suddenly quarreled with each other. The article does not contain comprehensive information, it is rather in the nature of an announcement, an announcement of the fact of delivery of the pilot batch. And the disputes: those engines or not the same, and the "ground" is ready for operation or not, and the flyers are ready or not? Calm down, please, this is a new plane and a host of issues that need to be addressed, I think, are being resolved by the Ministry of Defense and will be resolved.
    1. +2
      30 January 2015 21: 35
      Alexei ! You are well done ! So many recent attacks withstand ?! TANKIST - I respect - I’ll quietly get there, and I’ll shoot everyone!
      Then the frisky and young divorced, well, they don’t listen to their fathers and grandfathers at all. hi
      1. 0
        31 January 2015 00: 33
        And thank you for your support.
  30. +7
    30 January 2015 21: 21
    On the official website of "Company" Sukhoi "such a calendar was found wassat
    There are others there http://www.sukhoi.org/gallery/?gallery_id=56&cur_gallery_id=56&page=1
    1. +2
      30 January 2015 22: 00
      saved thanks, print and post at work
    2. -5
      31 January 2015 17: 31
      Quote: mrFix
      On the official website of "Company" Sukhoi "such a calendar was found wassat

      As if hinting))) You all hope sheep, and We are cutting loot
  31. wanderer_032
    0
    30 January 2015 21: 32
    UAC sent an installation batch of new generation T-50 aircraft for the Ministry of Defense

    Good luck to fly around you normally, gentlemen pilots. hi
  32. +13
    30 January 2015 22: 39
    So the installation party had already entered stores for a long time, some had already glued and assembled it for themselves, and as Rogozin bequeathed, the models had already begun to plow the expanses of the Russian sky on the radio control ...
  33. -2
    30 January 2015 23: 04
    Good day to all. Damn good news every day: Yesterday about the fact that our troops are not in Ukraine and the opposition’s appearance at the UN defeating Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk’s policies (for the first time in many days, I worked normally, otherwise ... every day under ... ), and today here - hairstyles learn to fly. The beauty. It’s a pity that only in the evening they attacked me again --- they say Russia does not have a nuclear shield, they say all the missiles, or rather the heads from Uranus or Plutonium that has already decomposed. Ufff. Can anyone from people close to this matter help? AND? Preferably with facts. Thank you in advance! The last time I was greatly helped by a Boeing - now they don’t climb, I thought after yesterday they would leave for another week, but ....
    1. -2
      31 January 2015 00: 38
      Do not worry so much, warheads and missiles are in good condition and there are enough of them, incl. in extreme cases, you will meet them there, but your friends are right about the decomposition 20 days after the explosion, and you can dump in Africa ...
      1. -1
        31 January 2015 13: 16
        Well, if you don’t know - why shake the air --- or write on the case or just keep silent. I have half a department at work of such bells and whistles, and when you start asking about facts, they switch to women.
        If there is anything in the case, lay it out.
        Thank you in advance.
        1. +2
          31 January 2015 18: 23
          Contact by phone +7 (495) 224-22-22, there they will competently answer all your questions about Russian nuclear weapons ...
  34. +3
    31 January 2015 00: 17
    Quote: sandrmur76
    Sergey tell me where from the suspension points on the 50 14? In my opinion, everything is hidden in the gut. If only additional tanks outside?

    Outside, you can attach the pylons and already hang on them what you want, even hanging tanks, even weapons. In general, the internal suspension of weapons has a lot of advantages, in addition to reducing EPR, these are:
    1) Allows you to extend the life of aircraft missiles, each aircraft missile has a period of how many take-off and landing cycles it can withstand. This includes heating the rocket on a suspended pylon under the wing, when the plane switches to supersonic, say 2,5M, the skin heats up and since the rocket is suspended from the outside, it also heats up and cools when switching to supersonic and vice versa, and such heating and cooling affect the life of the rocket when it is inside the aircraft such a problem does not arise.
    2) The missile is protected from natural factors: rain, snow (when the planes are on standby at the aerodrome, they are fully armed, refueled, with an external power source connected, it remains only to start the engine).
    3) Improving the aerodynamics of the aircraft, by reducing air resistance.
    4) Reducing the load on the wing of the aircraft.
    5) An increase in the lift force of the wing, since nothing prevents air from flowing around the wing creating lift force.
    6) The possibility of covert movement, for example, no one will know that the fighter is armed (the possibility of covert use of tactical weapons). For example, for Americans, the B61 bomb in the amount of two units is placed inside the aircraft, and no one will know that it is there, unlike the external suspension.
  35. 0
    31 January 2015 00: 24
    here you go...
    and where are the promised "panels" that cover the engines from above?
  36. -2
    31 January 2015 00: 33
    Quote: Andrejka
    and corresponds to traction? Or do you make a super-duper engine first, and then start testing the car? you must first conduct a test, then to take into account shortcomings when installing new engines

    It seems that, ideally, for a fifth-generation fighter, the thrust-to-weight ratio with a maximum combat load should be greater than 1. Type 30 fulfills this requirement, with a maximum take-off weight, the thrust-weight ratio should be 1,01. And the product 117 with a maximum take-off weight of 0,85. This means that an airplane can only climb vertically with acceleration. If the thrust-to-weight ratio would be greater than 1, then the vertical climb could be performed without acceleration, practically from zero speed, take the control handle on yourself, turn on the afterburner and go up.
    1. -4
      31 January 2015 14: 18
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      . If the thrust-to-weight ratio would be greater than 1, then the vertical climb could be performed without acceleration, practically from zero speed

      Is it like an F-22?
      1. -2
        31 January 2015 14: 50
        In the F22 video, it took off after acceleration all the same, I mean, at a height from an almost complete stop position, our Migi and Su hang in the air at air showrooms, there are more than one unit from the thrust-weight ratio, you can go up with a rocket.
        The Air Force colonel told me in class that an empty moment 29 could theoretically take off vertically like a rocket from the ground.
        1. 0
          2 February 2015 13: 05
          aircraft engines are designed to work in motion.
          from a place they will never reach peak power and the plane will not take off "like a rocket"
          but with a short run this is already possible.
  37. +2
    31 January 2015 04: 03
    On the website of the UAC itself, there is nothing about this, nor is there anything about this on the UAC Facebook page. It says that everything is according to plan, planes will begin to arrive in 2016.
    http://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/
    https://www.facebook.com/UAC.RUSSIA
  38. +2
    31 January 2015 11: 56
    Comment on another resource:
    "Before delivery to the unit, it is necessary to go through a GI plane - and this is a comprehensive research in the field of piloting and using weapons, which are carried out in Lipetsk and Akhtubinsk, according to which permits are issued for certain modes of piloting and use of certain types of weapons, and conduct their best of the best aces collected in Lipetsk and Akhtubinsk. You need at least 4 cars in Lipetsk and Akhtubinsk with a full avionics, and so far 2 are ready, but not one of these airplanes has yet to take off, and those that fly, 5 T-50s, have incomplete avionics, and everyone has different gliders."
    I conclude that in the near future should be made another 2 flight with a full composition of avionics. Four sides can first go to Lipetsk, and then to Akhtubinsk in order to obtain preliminary results by the end of the year.
  39. Drunya
    +3
    31 January 2015 12: 02
    Quote: mrFix
    On the official website of "Company" Sukhoi "such a calendar was found

    that and the video is
    I have not seen him before. what
    Dry. T-50 Goal Selection (2014) Documentary
    Posted on: 26 Dec 2014
    Dry. T-50 Goal Selection (2014) Documentary
    The film will tell you why Sukhoi Company managed to create the first Russian fifth-generation combat aircraft - the famous T-50, a promising frontline aviation complex. This is a real combat vehicle of the future. It will provide reliable protection of the borders of our country for the coming decades. Pavel Sukhoi's bureau has always been one of the most "closed" among all the secret aviation design bureaus of our country.

  40. 0
    31 January 2015 14: 02
    Quote: vtnsk
    So after all, he writes that "new modifications" of the engine are in development. But this does not mean that because of this it is necessary to postpone the release of the aircraft itself indefinitely. "There is no limit to perfection" (C) ...

    So I did not say that because of this it is necessary to postpone the release of the aircraft, I only refuted the statement that product 117 "fully" corresponds ...
  41. 0
    31 January 2015 14: 06
    about engines something they wrote or is it a military secret.
  42. -1
    31 January 2015 14: 35
    Quote: viktorR
    I’m embarrassed to ask, did you measure the ESR of these engines yourself? And who provided you the data on the IR signature of the 35th and 22nd? Did Discovery look yes)?

    So is it not visible. Stealth is an angular geometry + special coatings (+ electronics, but it comes only in addition). The rear view of the Pak fa photograph shows that the engines of the classic form and nozzles are clearly uncoated metal made of a refractory alloy, they are very hot when the engine is running. Naked metal is not able to absorb radio waves.
    Now F22, it can be seen that the nozzles have a stealth coating.
    1. +1
      31 January 2015 16: 39
      Fifth generation engines are being developed for PAKFA, the first batch of combat aircraft will fly on older engines, with subsequent replacement with new ones.
      Flat nozzles reduce traction!
      1. 0
        31 January 2015 17: 09
        So no one spoke about flat ones, flat nozzles are only for two-dimensional changes in the thrust vector, we need square ones so that we can change the thrust vector in any direction.
    2. 0
      31 January 2015 17: 03
      Apparently minusculeers live in another universe, where the laws of physics work differently, and refractory alloys have the property of 100 percent absorption of radar radiation
    3. +2
      31 January 2015 23: 32
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      Now F22, it can be seen that the nozzles have a stealth coating.

      And with this pipe, how?
      1. 0
        1 February 2015 00: 50
        F35 three versions. To reduce costs, it is necessary, if possible, to have as many unified parts as possible, it is difficult to make a flat nozzle on the F35B modification rotary. Flat nozzles for the raptor were designed exclusively for its engines, since the F35 has one engine, a very powerful engine was required. You could not just take one engine with F22 and put it on F35A, C.
  43. 0
    31 January 2015 16: 12
    It's time to roll out new flight models
  44. 0
    31 January 2015 16: 20
    It is strange that the Americans, after the "successful" operation of rectangular stealth-angled nozzles on the F-22, did not use the same ones on the F-35, and it’s somehow not visible in China, maybe it’s not worth it. Russia, maybe they will install it on some kind of modification or something did not roll
    1. 0
      31 January 2015 16: 34
      Most likely this is due to unification, it is difficult to create a rotary nozzle of the same design as on F22, on an airplane with vertical take-off.
      1. 0
        31 January 2015 21: 12
        yes, only one modification "B" has vertical take-off, and the rest are the same? and the number of this version is much less than the others! Maybe everything is not so great with these nozzles!
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  46. +1
    31 January 2015 19: 45
    Stop trolling articles, work on the PAK FA is ongoing, and this is wonderful, and I advise skeptics to read other news
  47. Ricardo
    -8
    31 January 2015 22: 23
    "new" aircraft with old radar, old engines, outdated missile weapons ... Urya and all that, so it has no analogs in the world.
    1. +1
      31 January 2015 23: 19
      In general, the AFAR protein radar is new, the engines are also a recent development with a plasma ignition system, and the missiles are also new to it, RVV-AE, RVV-MD.
      1. Ricardo
        -1
        1 February 2015 19: 32
        on these samples all this is not present or in a piece, there is nothing new except for the airframe (and even the airframe is made according to the old scheme, since there are no composites), a decision has not yet been made on which engines it will fly, well, the "new cockpit" which su35 flies.
  48. 0
    31 January 2015 22: 59
    Just recently, a black man said, the president of the United States seems that the Russian economy is torn apart, like that hot-water bottle. So the Negro, see what the country produces, namely Russia, which you can’t just tear! Pursue semolina and pray to God that these products are not used against your country.
  49. 0
    1 February 2015 00: 02
    I read komenty and did not understand the main thing - how many in the installation party
  50. 0
    1 February 2015 01: 07
    Specialists are not interested in the linear dimensions of the product, but the wing load, dry weight, specific thrust!
  51. 0
    1 February 2015 13: 34
    Handsome! NATO let them buy sweets and suck.
  52. 0
    1 February 2015 22: 40
    Quote: TSOOBER
    I was shocked that all the inscriptions are in English. For whom did the authors of the poster try or is it foreign?

    Now is the time to start supplying the 5th generation to the Russian Air Force - let them be afraid, we are the best!!! soldier
  53. Egorka1
    0
    2 February 2015 01: 43
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    here is the link http://j.mp/antismok I quit smoking 1000 times myself, but only this time it really turned out.
  54. iov
    0
    2 February 2015 07: 46
    Quote: Duke
    Promising multirole fighter T-50 created within the framework of the program "Advanced Aviation Complex of Frontline Aviation" (PAK FA). The development of the aircraft began at the P.O. Sukhoi Design Bureau in the late 1990s.

    and I heard that in the 80s request
  55. 0
    2 February 2015 09: 49
    Quote: Rus2012
    Quote: Manul
    Can this person give a new incentive to the aircraft industry of our country, or not? And why?

    Aksakals have big doubts:
    1. basic education of a new chapter - law faculty of Moscow State University
    2. previous career "partyfelenos" assistant to the head of the Ministry of Trade
    3. the "greatest connection with the aircraft industry" - the father was the director of the Rostov-on-Don plant

    And the tradition of the success of the Soviet MAP and other Great Ones with the "omnipotent nine" (9 main defense ministries of the USSR) is that the cadres always left their ranks: design engineer-chief department-director (head

    explicit constructor). Those. there were first of all competent technicians, and only then talented "successful managers" ...
    If there was technical talent and successes were shown in team management, then this direction was consolidated and developed at the highest courses of managers — strategic planning of enterprises. Like top command courses at military academies ...

    Of course, there were exceptions, for example the almighty Lavrenty Palych ... but that's why he was great, that he always selected worthy specialists for himself on the principle of "summing up the advantages and eliminating the shortcomings (he was not a techie-scientist)" ...

    How sad... Even lawyers and accountants got here. The next victim is MinAtom (now the RosAtom agency)?
  56. 0
    2 February 2015 12: 24
    Regarding the article itself: it says that the program is on time.
    I have doubts. Because I see how the engine program has already been pushed back by a year and a half relative to the earlier OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCEED plans. And the overall deadlines for the pak fa program have been shifted by more than 2 years. Of course, there was some confusion on the part of the Indians, but still the program was shifted significantly in time and to say that they are meeting the deadlines is somehow dishonest.

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