Bibilov against Tibilov. Political friction has arisen in South Ossetia over the preparation of a draft treaty on relations with Russia

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While the public and political elites of Russia are almost completely absorbed by the situation in Ukraine and the economic difficulties within the Russian Federation, a serious confrontation flares up where attention has, frankly speaking, gone lately. This is about the proud Caucasian republic of South Ossetia, which in 2008 year after the military aggression of then-Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili was recognized (along with Abkhazia) as an independent state. The Russian authorities officially recognized the independence of the RSO and after some time concluded a partnership agreement with the authorities of South Ossetia, which is still in effect between the Russian Federation and the RSO.

However, in South Ossetia, they decided that the current treaty did not meet the current realities, and various political forces, pushing their elbows apart, began to practice drawing up new versions of partnership agreements. At the same time, the almost complete absence of comments from the official Russian side therefore raises questions to the question and seems to indicate that the new treaty is being prepared unilaterally by the South Ossetian side.

He is preparing, of course, he is preparing, but during this preparation, frankly, alarming news come from Tskhinval. In the course of the creation of a new agreement on partnership and cooperation with the Russian Federation, the warring parties were identified. One side is headed by the President of the Republic of South Ossetia, Leonid Tibilov. Another - a person with a consonant surname - the speaker of the republican parliament, Anatoly Bibilov. What is the stumbling block?

Bibilov against Tibilov. Political friction has arisen in South Ossetia over the preparation of a draft treaty on relations with Russia


As it turned out, the variant of the treaty submitted by the group of Leonid Tibilov submitted for approval to the RSO parliament was criticized by representatives of the largest parliamentary faction - United Ossetia faction (occupies about 60% of seats in parliament). This faction is headed by Anatoly Bibilov. According to parliamentarians, the "presidential" version of the treaty "does not meet the interests of the republic." Anatoly Bibilov himself declares literally the following (quote RIA News):
(Draft agreement) does not meet long-term interests (South Ossetia). The draft treaty is absolutely inconsistent with its name - there is little left of the alliance and even less of integration.


If we talk about the draft treaty created under the leadership of the President of South Ossetia, the document is in many ways similar to the treaty signed between Russia and Abkhazia. Under this agreement, the security forces are fully controlled by the authorities of the republic, the state security issues are also resolved by the state of Abkhazia, while continuing to follow the path of independence both politically and economically, while expanding trade and economic, humanitarian, socio-political and other contacts with the Russian Federation. The classic version of the treaty between two independent states-neighbors.

But deputies from the party "United Ossetia" say that they will block the adoption of such a project, and at the same time offer their own version of the agreement on integration and alliance. The essence of the project is to fully open the border with Russia, transfer the defense and security functions to the Russian side and do everything for full economic integration.

Before continuing to discuss the situation in South Ossetia, it should be recalled that the population of South Ossetia is about 50 thousand people (the overwhelming majority of residents of the republic have Russian citizenship), that in the South Ossetian parliament - 34 there are places that the official currency in South Ossetia is Russian ruble , and that the economy of South Ossetia is 99% oriented to Russia.

These statistics, as well as the fact that South Ossetia, in addition to Russia, has only one neighbor, and this neighbor, Georgia, actually speak a lot about it. With the 50 population of thousands, and the mentality of the inhabitants of the Caucasus, it can be said that everyone in such a public conglomerate is well aware of each other. As they say, one sneezed — everyone else heard and prepared to say: “Be healthy!” And this is without any exaggeration.

Moreover, everybody understands perfectly well that whatever type of agreement on alliance and integration with Russia would have, it is alliance and integration with Russia is the only reasonable choice for South Ossetia at the present stage of its development. In this connection, the attempt of South Ossetian politicians to organize fuss and look for some political dividends in terms of preparing a cooperation agreement with the Russian Federation looks somehow very strange. Perhaps even more strange here is the silence of the official authorities of Russia - after all, the agreement of the Republic of South Ossetia is going to sign with anyone, namely with Russia.

Based on this, there are two variants of the background of this stories around contract design.

Option one: Russia is now so uncomfortable with South Ossetia that they are offering to prepare everything for Tskhinval officially, and Moscow will figure out how to act in this or that situation (depending on the final version of the project).

Option two: Russia deliberately demonstrates respecting the distance from the political life of the RSO, saying that the sovereignty of South Ossetia recognized at the time is not an empty phrase, and the RSO politicians have sufficient authority and sufficient “maturity” to prepare the document on their own. This is a kind of Abkhaz variant - Tibilov variant.

There is a third option. Perhaps it looks a bit conspiracy, but in the current situation it simply cannot be ignored. It lies in the fact that the political elites of Russia can not decide on how to perceive South Ossetia in the future? Probably, among the above-mentioned elites there are (at least) two groups, one of which calls for South Ossetia to remain at a certain distance from Russia, and the other for RSO to become a kind of extra-federal subject of the federation with the possibility of future membership this very federation, and already today partly with the rights and obligations of the average Russian region. These groups did not decide everything among themselves, and it gives the South Ossetian politicians a reason to come together in a political clash.

If it is the third option that works, then it is time for these groups to decide. To finally decide for the purpose that the undercover intrigues did not lead to the fact that South Ossetia will begin to look in another direction at all ... And those who want to sow discord even in tiny South Ossetia - the Caucasus region, where the wounds of war still hurt, in the “humane” There will be plenty of international community.
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  1. +4
    24 January 2015 06: 10
    I have an Ossetian wife.
    So "our" North Ossetians, the southern half are considered Georgians.
    And by the way, South Ossetians go abroad for Russian passports, their own do not exist
    1. Viktor Kudinov
      +3
      24 January 2015 13: 33
      Where there is a dispute between politicians of this level about the future of the territory, one must be wise: each side must explain its position to the people, and the people in a referendum decide how to live on. hi
      1. -7
        24 January 2015 18: 52
        I do not know what else can be discussed. Those Ossetians that against the entry of South Ossetia into Russia, the Ossetians themselves must shoot and burn houses. As long as they are not with us, they all will feel free to crawl on them, as they will end up in Russia, then everything is forbidden to attack under the fear of complete annihilation.
    2. +2
      24 January 2015 20: 24
      Probably our politicians want something between us and Georgia to have a buffer zone.
      1. 0
        25 January 2015 13: 27
        Quote: SAXA.SHURA
        Probably our politicians want something between us and Georgia to have a buffer zone.

        Yes, this is politics no more! Imagine now 100% of the parliament votes for integration with Russia, and after 20-30 years, talks begin about the forcible accession of Ossetia (Russia has a lot of friends, there is someone who can allocate money for this!)
        So let the politicians in South Ossetia figure it out themselves, with polls, referenda, beating dishes, and after reaching an agreement, they begin to integrate with Russia! (As a result, there is no doubt!)
        And Russia has nothing to do with it, they themselves decided !!!!
  2. +1
    24 January 2015 06: 13
    (Draft agreement) does not meet long-term interests (South Ossetia). The draft treaty is absolutely inconsistent with its name - there is little left of the alliance and even less of integration.


    The storm is not even in a glass, but in a teaspoon of water.

    And for us, another good reason to remember is the good old woman Shapoklyak, who taught us not in vain that good deeds cannot be made famous... After 2008, this funny country should not argue about a treaty with Russia. She, all 50 thousand, must say: "You write the contract there, and we will sign." Such as it is necessary, if only someone again does not interfere with the earth.

    How do you imagine the neighborhood and the alliance of a bear with a flea?
    1. +11
      24 January 2015 07: 24
      Your position directly echoes the United States. Like we are the strongest and everyone should kiss our heels. So how do we differ from mattresses in this case? This is not our method. Not so from time immemorial the Russian state was built. Respect of the big to the small lay and should remain the basis of the domestic and foreign policy of our state. They say - be easier (do not lift your nose) and people will reach for you.
      You have never seen, for example, a dog that fleas are overwhelming? Sorry sight! It seems like a big dog, and fleas are small ...
      1. +16
        24 January 2015 11: 01
        Quote: Hagalaz
        Your position directly echoes the United States. Like we are the strongest and everyone should kiss our heels. So how do we differ from mattresses in this case?

        You, dear, and the rest of the miners from my comment did not understand anything. I've already written on topvar so much about the American "superhumanity" and about where it leads - there is no point in repeating it. It's not that we are the best and that they and everyone else should dance to our tune. The point is that a country that cannot stand up for itself in the face of external aggression should not make internal squabbles, but try to be closer to a large and strong neighbor. And if the fifty-thousandth population cannot even come up with a cooperation agreement, then what kind of country is this? She just had to wait for someone else to attack her and the Russians would beat him off again.

        For an example, look at Monaco and read its agreements with France. A completely successful and independent principality ...
        1. +1
          24 January 2015 13: 46
          [quote = Zoldat_A] [quote = Hagalaz]
          Nothing you, dear, and the rest of the minusers from my comment did not understand. [/ Quote]
          Duc, as they said, I understood, I don’t know how minusers. As for me, your first comment and this one are two big differences. Yes, and you put the cons not for the essence, but for rudeness. No one disputes the bold text in THIS commentary, including the Ossetians themselves. We are talking about a varying degree of pro-Russian orientation and a normal political debate, not about squabbles. And why are you alarmed? A disturbing situation is presented by the author of the article, and demand is from him. Personally, I do not see the practical difference between the voiced forms of proximity to a large and strong neighbor.
          If we take the same mattresses as an example, that is, countries that are rigidly attached to them, but formally remain absolutely independent states, and not part of the United States itself.
    2. +3
      24 January 2015 07: 26
      How do you imagine the neighborhood and the alliance of a bear with a flea?


      What do you suggest? Ossetians in gratitude should shut up and offer to annex the country? You know, you can't be cute, whatever one may say. Given sovereignty, it means that they must actually receive it, and not so that yesterday "sovereignty", and today "You write to us there, and we will sign."
      1. -7
        24 January 2015 09: 22
        Quote: SkiF_RnD
        What are you offering? Ossetians in gratitude should shut up and offer to annex the country?


        Well, what country is this? An unrecognized republic with a population of 50 thousand, completely dependent on Russia, they are obliged to us for the grave of life, and we can swing the rights in this situation and we will only !!!!!
        1. +5
          24 January 2015 10: 30
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: SkiF_RnD
          What are you offering? Ossetians in gratitude should shut up and offer to annex the country?


          ... completely dependent on Russia, they owe us a grave of life and the right to download in this situation can and we will only !!!!!

          Dear RUSS, I am far from thinking of teaching anyone, including you. But as a council, I propose to make such a statement on Tskhenval Street. I think you will not wash yourself off from spitting for a long time, or even your face will be scratched a little with your fists. And this is with a general, positive attitude towards Russia. Interestingly, would you have the courage to speak out like that in a personal conversation with Abkhazians or Ossetians? I suggest that you always evaluate your words from such positions.
          Yes, in the eighth year, Russia did what it did, and has the right to expect loyalty to itself from these republics, but not as rudely.
          1. +7
            24 January 2015 10: 55
            Quote: Hagalaz
            Dear RUSS, I am far from thinking of teaching anyone, including you. But as a council, I propose to make such a statement on Tskhenval Street


            Almost 99% of the inhabitants of South Ossetia are Russian citizens and why should they have something special? That is, to receive pensions and tax subsidies that I pay in the right, but that means I have the right to participate in their political process, otherwise it turns out we fully finance South Ossetia, but how to live and with whom to decide? With what joy did they deserve it? In the days of the Union, there were half of the World of such dependents, and they consulted with the leadership of the USSR in everything, and some could not sneeze without permission from the Union.
            1. +6
              24 January 2015 11: 43
              And I don’t argue with you in fact, I say that we are entitled to count on loyalty. But the storm is in a glass of water! This is not about betrayal, but only about different forms of pro-Russian orientation. I stand for respect. Respect of the strong to the weak is a confirmation of the strength of the strong.

              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Hagalaz
              Dear RUSS, I am far from thinking of teaching anyone, including you. But as a council, I propose to make such a statement on Tskhenval Street

              In the days of the Union, there were half of the World of such dependents, and they consulted with the leadership of the USSR in everything, and some could not sneeze without permission from the Union.

              Yeah, and as soon as the owner was a little weakened, everyone immediately poked out to the sides. Maybe try to bet on a reasonable balance of power, independence and awareness? I also note that in the eighth year, Russia fought not only for South Ossetia, but also for its geopolitical interests, i.e. not so disinterestedly.
              Minus isn’t.
            2. 0
              24 January 2015 17: 37
              That's it, the logic is all the citizens of the Russian Federation, the money goes there, but they don’t want to in the Russian Federation, one more leech on the body of Russia, or rather outside the body of Russia, the story of the noble USSR, which fed half the world, tore off from itself, and how they all spat on him. Every penny must be counted
      2. -1
        24 January 2015 17: 36
        And if they don’t want in the Russian Federation and they still have rights pumped, why did the soldiers die for them, do the RF have many soldiers? There are so many independent countries, and countries who are pumping rights? I don’t understand if they don’t want in the Russian Federation why they are needed? (
    3. +1
      24 January 2015 08: 40
      Well naham people and that it became easier? Or is everything possible in the internet? And how will you respect yourself after that? Although, what am I talking about ...
  3. +7
    24 January 2015 06: 15
    No need to break spears. Tibilov’s variant is that which exists today and is expected in the near future, but it is possible that this variant will smoothly transfer to Bibilovsky. The latter simply accelerates this process for deeper integration into Russia. Both politicians have the right to their opinion, but conclusions on such issues need to be done in referenda ....
    1. +7
      24 January 2015 07: 01
      I support. I consider the Kremlin’s relevance reasonable. The people of South Ossetia must decide for himself. And forcibly imposing a particular decision is harmful, especially since in my opinion Tibilov’s version does not show anything traitorous.
      1. +4
        24 January 2015 08: 24
        Quote: Hagalaz
        The people of South Ossetia must decide for himself



        The people of South Ossetia, in tandem with the people of SO, must decide at a general referendum whether Ossetia should be a single republic within Russia or exist separately. The referendum must be held in compliance with international laws. The existence of an "independent" South Ossetian Republic, where the population has Russian citizenship, is economically, politically, and in terms of state and financial security completely dependent on Russia - nonsense, but the Ossetians themselves must decide this issue under the auspices of the central Russian government, as the guarantor of the democratic choice of the electorate.
    2. +2
      24 January 2015 11: 10
      Quote: RusDV
      Tibilov’s variant is what is and is expected in the near future.


      Belatedly VO with the publication of this article.

      The agreement was ratified yesterday in the Duma!
  4. -3
    24 January 2015 06: 21
    Opponents are deprived of citizenship and expelled from the country.
    1. +4
      24 January 2015 06: 59
      Quote: cergey51046
      Opponents are deprived of citizenship and expelled from the country.

      Opponents of what?
  5. 511
    0
    24 January 2015 07: 16
    Again the machinations of the imperialists ..
  6. 0
    24 January 2015 07: 43
    It would be nice if I think that South Ossetia would join us in a referendum, although our Western friends will obviously start to show off, how could the free Ossetian people have captured the Herods, and do not care that the same Western friends shot at this 7 years ago the same Ossetian people
  7. itr
    -9
    24 January 2015 07: 51
    South Ossetians Muslims North Christians North fought against the Ingush Muslims but fought for the South against the Georgians
    Well, and religion))))))))))))
    1. +3
      24 January 2015 08: 28
      Quote: itr
      South Ossetian Muslims

      Almost 90% of South Ossetians during the census indicated that they are Christians, of whom 76,7% are Orthodox
      1. -2
        24 January 2015 16: 31
        Quote: Volodin
        Almost 90% of South Ossetians during the census indicated that they are Christians, of whom 76,7% are Orthodox

        That's how it is, of course ... But, you must agree, a Caucasian Christian - "he's still a bastard!" And the problem is very solvable: "until you kill the lamb of friendship, don't expect the dough!" hi
        1. OCD
          0
          3 February 2015 12: 20
          Considering. that Christianity came to Ossetia, much earlier than, in Russia, you would shut up a commentator.
    2. +1
      24 January 2015 09: 24
      Quote: itr
      South Ossetian Muslims


      When you write such nonsense, to begin with, at least look at Wikipedia. Ossetians, Georgians, Armenians and most of the Abkhazians are Christians.
      1. itr
        -5
        24 January 2015 09: 57
        Abkhazians ??? Pagans
        And in Ossetia, I served 98, so I’m probably not writing nonsense, but maybe I'm mistaken about Ossetians
        1. 0
          24 January 2015 10: 28
          Quote: itr
          Abkhazians ??? Pagans
          And in Ossetia, I served 98, so I’m probably not writing nonsense, but maybe I'm mistaken about Ossetians

          The majority of the population of Abkhazia are Christians. According to surveys, the distribution of denominations in 2003 was as follows [47]:

          64% are Christians usually Orthodox;
          14% are Muslims, usually Sunnis;
          8% are atheists (unbelievers);
          3% are adherents of the Abkhaz religion;
          3% are pagans;
          2% - other faiths;
          6% found it difficult to answer.
        2. OCD
          0
          3 February 2015 12: 12
          I had to drink less.
    3. +2
      24 January 2015 11: 12
      What nonsense, all Christians, both southern and northern.
      1. OCD
        0
        3 February 2015 12: 18
        Who said? And there are also non-Christians. and not Muslims. And those who pray not in the church. And not in a mosque, but in holy places, as their elders prayed. Turning to God, with ritual three pies. To understand the religion of Ossetians, one must at least live in Ossetia.
    4. +2
      24 January 2015 21: 19
      If you are a stupid person, then at least do not spew out your stupidities on the site. MOST OSSETIAN CHRISTIANS, AND SOUTH OSSETIANS - ALL PERFECTLY !!!!!! There are Muslims in North Ossetia in areas bordering Muslim Kabarda, nothing more. !! I’m saying this as a native of South Ossetia !!
    5. OCD
      0
      3 February 2015 12: 11
      I've never read more stupid garbage. Many people on the site do not know anything about Ossetia, but are trying to be clever. To what kind of religion did the Ossetians not be attributed, to Muslims, to Christians, to pagans.
  8. Leonidych
    +1
    24 January 2015 08: 02
    normal political competition ....
  9. +1
    24 January 2015 08: 56
    There is an example of a Crimean referendum. If the Ossetians all over the world decide that such an option is desirable for their people - we are welcome!
    The greatness of our great Motherland has always been based on the voluntary unity of the peoples living in it.
  10. juliakhyrymova
    +5
    24 January 2015 09: 18
    South Ossetians are 99% Christians. And that's not the point, they all have Russian passports and have long wanted to unite with North Ossetians, i.e. enter Russia. I know this as a local resident.
  11. special
    -11
    24 January 2015 09: 32
    That is, these smart guys decided to do nothing, but to sit on the neck of Russia ... They wanted independence? Eat her full bread! And why are these kudars of Russia? IMHO ....
    1. juliakhyrymova
      +5
      24 January 2015 09: 46
      And where is such hatred from?
      1. OCD
        0
        3 February 2015 12: 24
        And apparently the Kudars didn’t beat this bloke, now it blinks.
    2. +6
      24 January 2015 10: 14
      With such "IMHO" Russia would never have gone beyond the Moscow principality, although it would ultimately be overdue ... (ie lost). Thank God, such "IMHO" are closer to exceptions than to the rules. People voted for independence, having survived the shelling of Saakashvili's "Grads", and here about some kind of "neck" ... Do not confuse the games of politicians with the interests of the common people.
    3. +2
      24 January 2015 21: 21
      And how do you know that South Ossetians are called kudars ??? Cossack you are our mishandled ....
  12. +3
    24 January 2015 09: 35
    The republic is independent. Let them decide in a referendum and ask for favors, but no, their right. And they should decide ONLY themselves, without external pressure.
  13. +4
    24 January 2015 11: 07
    Ossetia should be one and it is necessary to proceed from this.
  14. +3
    24 January 2015 12: 12
    Yes, a tough confrontation)))))
    Some say that they themselves control their forces, while others completely give up protection to Russia, as if before that and now they themselves could provide this protection))
  15. +1
    24 January 2015 16: 29
    our defeat in the Afghan war began from the very beginning when the PDPA split the nga of the sub-party of the chalc and brocade. so here.
  16. 0
    24 January 2015 17: 32
    Explain the guys, why they will not be part of the Russian Federation and will not unite with their brothers from North Ossetia, and will this be decided? What gardens to fence? Funny just ...
    1. 0
      24 January 2015 21: 22
      You remind about the Crimea, or how ???????
      1. Steel loli
        0
        24 January 2015 23: 21
        And what is wrong with the Crimea?
  17. +1
    24 January 2015 19: 04
    Personally, I want to hold on to that group of commentators who advocate closer cooperation between Ossetia and Russia, but without any additional points from Ossetia.
  18. 0
    24 January 2015 23: 24
    Of course, you can also ask to join the European Union, but you have to stomp very long and far. You should not reject a helping hand from Russia.
  19. 0
    25 January 2015 01: 03
    It may be important for Ossetia, but the time is not suitable. Why now? I won’t dig myself, I’ll wait for competent explanations. Why now? Is not the mistress pulling the strings?
  20. Tamara surgery
    -2
    25 January 2015 02: 37
    Two TB - BiBila is power!
    1. 0
      26 January 2015 00: 19
      and you would chew a tie chtol ...
    2. OCD
      0
      3 February 2015 12: 27
      Cover the bread. There was no barking command.
  21. Tribuns
    0
    25 January 2015 21: 36
    Only a short-sighted person will be against the help of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, for whose independence Russia was involved in the war with the regime of Mikheil Saakashvili, which dragged Georgia into NATO ...
    The stronger Russia's position in the Caucasus, the calmer and in the Crimea!
  22. Horror
    +2
    25 January 2015 21: 48
    I am Ossetian and know the situation from the inside. The results of the 1992 referendum and modern opinion polls suggest that South Ossetian citizens want to join the Russian Federation. The South Ossetian elites, who in this case lose control over the republic’s power structures and financial flows coming from Russia, do not want to. In addition, some may appear before a Russian court for past sins ...
  23. smurnoi
    0
    26 January 2015 01: 49
    As usual, there is a division of financial flows. As in any region. Where is it to break the spears? One family is fighting another. And geopolitics began and ended on 08.08.08. At least for the near future.

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