How to stay winners?

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How to stay winners?More than 66 years have passed since the Great Patriotic War ended, and since the last explosions of the Russo-Japanese war died down, and with them the World War 2. However, so far the exact number of dead has not been calculated on the territory of our country, many events that occurred both during the war and after its termination have not been assessed. In Russian textbooks stories Sometimes you can read completely contradictory statements about the course of a particular battle, the results of interstate cooperation and the role of society at a particular historical stage. Historical soil has always remained and continues to be fruitful for criticism.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, an entire generation of people has already grown up, many of whom seriously say that "we'd better have lost in that war." It is strange and even scary to hear such words from the mouth of people whose great-grandfathers laid down their heads for the sake of their freedom and happy life. A person who declares that the Victory to our country did not give anything at all, except poverty and shame, you just need to despise, because he does not deserve any other feelings towards himself.

However, most of the “lost sheep” made such propaganda, imposed on television screens, computer monitors, plots of Western films and other means designed to transform our society under a pre-planned order. A young man who reads in the history textbook that the Soviet Army saved the world about the brown plague, looks at the TV screen and sees that his peers in Germany and Japan are driving around on expensive foreign cars. At the same time something unimaginable begins to happen in his head. First, at an unconscious level, he identifies every modern German resident with the fascists from a textbook subject to the Japanese Crown with the militarists 66-old. Then this unconscious confronts him with the question of why I, as a descendant of winners, cannot afford to buy an expensive car. Psychological pressure increases when someone says that he should not live like this. Next, it turns out an SMS mailing with the words: in order to live better in Russia, you have to go outside and start smashing foreign embassies, killing people with a different skin color, burning cars on the streets. Will such words affect a young man? Of course. Integration of personal emotional experiences and skillfully orchestrated PR will force him to enter the square under the slogan "Bay Germans, Jews, blacks, Tajiks and everyone around - save Russia!" This technology, according to which, on the basis of an individual attitude to reality, you can get total shoots hate the world is not new. That is how Adolf Hitler came to power. His words that Germany lives poorly, as it is infringed upon by Britain, France and other European powers, turned into a 12-year-old world nightmare called “German Fascism”. Any totalitarian government can not be built on the basis of only a civil initiative. It, operating with slogans hitting the living, gives a person aggression towards certain persons and concepts, and then “opens the curtain” before an idol, Führer or father of nations, forcing him to feel a thrill towards him.

Today, it is increasingly possible to hear the cries, according to which we, the people living in the victorious country, cannot afford to drag out a beggarly existence. At the same time, such exclamations are directed either at the so-called marginal segments of the population, or at those who are really below the normal range of life due to low incomes. Adolescents, whose psychology has not yet had time to steadily form and therefore reacts painfully to various external factors, are actively listening to such words.

Of course, it is painful to realize that millions of people in our country are forced to live below the poverty line. It is painful to see that the "defeated" people once have been successfully developing by us, finding more and more new means to provide themselves with labor potential and sustainable incomes. Such an emotional mood in many people increases the feeling of negativism towards power. It was in Soviet times, it is now. However, the most surprising thing is that we ourselves sometimes do not want to take absolutely no adequate actions to improve our own lives. Do people who go out to smash Caucasian tents in the markets or go down the subway to cripple the Chinese or Vietnamese who are returning to their hostel think that this is a panacea for all Russian troubles. We sit in our cars, once again we drive into the same puddle at the intersection and start voting that local authorities do nothing to repair the roads. In this case, we do not raise the back seats, when elections of any level are held, declaring that, they say, nothing really depends on me. It happens otherwise, people, knowing full well that the authorities are not doing anything to improve their welfare, look at it through their fingers, continuing to brand the wrong policy of our leadership in kitchens. I would like to ask: what do we ourselves do in order for the authorities to be responsible for their obligations? What are we doing to make the officials work, and not wipe Versace suits on leather chairs purchased for our taxes? This question can be considered rhetorical ... We ourselves give obscenities to the "cops" for bribery and we put them in our hands at the first opportunity that has appeared a color bill in order to appease the "boss". Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers were able to defeat fascism, and we, positioning ourselves as the descendants of the winners, cannot even defend our rights in court when we are delayed in salaries or unable to patch the roof.

The same Germans and Japanese, who suffered a crushing defeat from the USSR, do not experience discomfort because they are “defeated”. They just do their job and they know their value. They may, at the right moment, demand explanations from the authorities. We do not know how to do this. Therefore, the conclusions that we are winners, they are losers, so we should live better than they are more like the conclusions of a silly first-grader.
To live better, we need to win first and foremost ourselves, our laziness and inertness.
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  1. Mesniy
    -17
    10 September 2011 11: 15
    At the gates of the concentration camp, it seems to Dachau, hung a slogan - to each - his
    Not willing to comment on the nonsense annoyed by the sole victory of the councils of Germany and especially Japan, nonsense and myths are enduring in poorly educated circles ...
    1. makrus
      +5
      11 September 2011 13: 37
      what you need to be a man in order to comment on Nazi slogans in a similar topic It’s not even cynicism, but perverse criticism angry
    2. zczczc
      +2
      11 September 2011 14: 18
      Mesniy, this inscription was placed on the gates of Buchenwald and was fixed precisely in relation to the Jews:



      It’s fashionable to humiliate Russians now and it has become possible. But everything will come to an end, believe me.
      1. Mesniy
        -7
        13 September 2011 11: 30
        Thanks for the photo and clarification, and less crying for the Russians
    3. oper66
      +3
      14 September 2011 04: 22
      how ashamed that in our city the hero of Novorossiysk has this
    4. ytqnhfk
      0
      15 September 2011 16: 04
      And you are educated !!! That's how YOU and everything else about the war know !!
    5. 0
      15 September 2011 17: 22
      Sir, you are scum.
  2. Yuriy_K
    -24
    10 September 2011 11: 38
    And the author in his head has one Sovdepovsky demagogy. Winners cannot live worse than losers, otherwise they are losers. We lost in that war in all REAL positions - http://newsland.ru/News/Detail/id/498128/cat/42/
    There are the Germans - they won, they got rid (not without our help) of their Reich, and we put our Reich on a pedestal, we celebrate it as a "homeland", and a "homeland", such a Reich as the German one, continues its dirty work of exterminating people and peoples. Everything is arranged logically - what they fought for, they ran into it. And if you dreamed that we were fighting for freedom, then it was imperial propaganda that worked. Fought for the victory of one Reich over another Reich. You were deceived. It never happened and suddenly again ...
    1. +7
      10 September 2011 18: 41
      Where did you come from? Your very conclusions that the Germans got rid of their Reich not without our help should raise us in our own eyes.
      1. +7
        10 September 2011 20: 58
        Ugly. Disgusting. Don't give a damn.
        I do not like it - drop everything and get down to the winners ...
        1. Marat
          +4
          10 September 2011 22: 16
          I read the comments - I support you Banshee - for all the comments below gave comprehensive answers

          But behind the controversy, it somehow "got lost" that the article contains a call for consent to the existing situation - its acceptance. Serge 32 tried to say this below - that is, if you are poor, it’s like it’s your own fault - and you shouldn’t go to smash tents or protest - but start to improve the world yourself - start living right, etc.

          I myself constantly urge in my comments not to cross the line in criticizing the authorities and Putin - not to become "British spies" destroying the country and calling for a new "revolution" - and I cannot but agree with the fragments of the article about the dangers of inflammatory slogans aimed mostly at " marginalized "or adolescents

          But this article "distorts" - pushes us to the other extreme - distracts us from the very simple and clear fact of the "robbery" of the country by oligarchs and the departure of financial flows abroad - what is the reason for the poverty of most Russians and the lack of funds for medical education, the army, etc.
          After reading this you’ll go and vote for Edro
        2. Aktium
          -2
          12 September 2011 03: 25
          And we are winners and live on OUR land. And you "Stalin's falcons" bad? You have not yet fully felt what comes to you ........? Poor things. The only thing left is to cry on the Internet.
      2. Mesniy
        -5
        11 September 2011 09: 49
        The Germans got their Reich thanks to our help, and they trained tankers near Kazan, and pilots near Lipetsk .... "wise peace-loving policy of the USSR" - ugh ...
        1. Aktium
          -4
          12 September 2011 03: 28
          Citizen Mesniy, you probably are not aware that it was not the "Soviet" who trained the German tankers, but vice versa. And the Soviet industry was raised first by German and then by American engineers.
          1. Mesniy
            -3
            13 September 2011 11: 36
            Industry - yes, and the Germans training bases were in the USSR, since they were banned by the Versailles world, everyone knows it. There’s even a joke on this topic, the German aviation NIRAZU didn’t bomb Lipetsk, there is a version that it was because there was a lover of Rex Marshall Goering aviation, he was trained in Lipetsk at the age of 30.
            1. +2
              15 September 2011 17: 29
              Cooked both at home and with us. Soviet Russia, German friends left a lot of training grounds, equipment and groundwork. Reasonable collaboration never gets in the way.
              "And Mannerheim did not seize Leningrad, because it was his city of youth" - myth-making is just for you.
        2. +1
          15 September 2011 17: 24
          Uh-huh. And at that time the Germans received military technology from England and the United States. Your "anti-Soviet" is irrelevant.
    2. puffnutiy
      0
      21 September 2011 15: 53
      Yuri,
      With all due respect, you write in your article:
      considers planetary funeral “victory”: according to various estimates, from 20 to 50 million direct irretrievable human losses

      Where does the data come from? From which source? Are you not confused by the fact that you are not giving the exact figure? The spread of 30 million is not at all small. Another quote:
      It’s a bad habit to identify ourselves with great achievements, with great people: we supposedly gave the world Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy ... But let me ask: why do you identify yourself with them, and not with those who spread rot, destroyed them? After all, they appeared and created not thanks to, but contrary to the System, contrary to most

      I really want to hear who and how rotted Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy. The stump gebna must have reached them in the coffin and spread rot. And is it also interesting to hear who you identify with? Maybe with Vlasov? Stepan Bender? Another quote:
      So here: why on earth do you bring the state and the people together? Not a single historian doubts that the Soviet state gained strength in the Second World War, and the people just received tens of millions of deaths, unprecedented devastation, camps, post-war hunger, tragic hopelessness and squalor for decades of life in a totalitarian System. So who won, System or people?

      I take the liberty of claiming that you believe that a people without a state has won? People themselves gathered and decided that it was necessary to melt the metal for the tanks, and then (again themselves) agreed to send it for rolling. And there, too, everything is already in the people's hands, it means that they are sending to the STZ, and from there the brand new national T-34s. And the state at that time under the table was shaking, along with Stalin. It has nothing to do with it. Yeah.
      Another quote. Direct greetings to Rezun:
      In fact, the “treacherous attack” on June 22, 1941 was the only right strategic decision in the conditions of an inevitable war with an enemy superior in strength.

      You yourself write that the attack was "treacherous". That is, you justify the state for not complying with its obligations? In your article you are appealing to the war in Finland, so there was a dip with Finland. relations when negotiations on the exchange (!) of territories reached an impasse.

      I don’t feel like reading any further. If a person is not interested in any information except for the night of the mentioned Rezun, then I shrug ...
    3. puffnutiy
      0
      21 September 2011 16: 01
      Yuri,
      With all due respect, you write in your article:
      considers planetary funeral “victory”: according to various estimates, from 20 to 50 million direct irretrievable human losses

      Where does the data come from? From which source? Are you not confused by the fact that you are not giving the exact figure? The spread of 30 million is not at all small. Another quote:
      It’s a bad habit to identify ourselves with great achievements, with great people: we supposedly gave the world Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy ... But let me ask: why do you identify yourself with them, and not with those who spread rot, destroyed them? After all, they appeared and created not thanks to, but contrary to the System, contrary to most

      I really want to hear who and how rotted Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy. The stump gebna must have reached them in the coffin and spread rot. And is it also interesting to hear who you identify with? Maybe with Vlasov? Stepan Bender? Another quote:
      So here: why on earth do you bring the state and the people together? Not a single historian doubts that the Soviet state gained strength in the Second World War, and the people just received tens of millions of deaths, unprecedented devastation, camps, post-war hunger, tragic hopelessness and squalor for decades of life in a totalitarian System. So who won, System or people?

      I take the liberty of claiming that you believe that a people without a state has won? People themselves gathered and decided that it was necessary to melt the metal for the tanks, and then (again themselves) agreed to send it for rolling. And there, too, everything is already in the people's hands, it means that they are sending to the STZ, and from there the brand new national T-34s. And the state at that time under the table was shaking, along with Stalin. It has nothing to do with it. Yeah.
      Another quote. Direct greetings to Rezun:
      In fact, the “treacherous attack” on June 22, 1941 was the only right strategic decision in the conditions of an inevitable war with an enemy superior in strength.

      You yourself write that the attack was "treacherous". That is, you justify the state for not complying with its obligations? In your article you are appealing to the war in Finland, so there was a dip with Finland. relations when negotiations on the exchange (!) of territories reached an impasse.

      I don’t feel like reading any further. If a person is not interested in any information except for the night of the mentioned Rezun, then I shrug ...
    4. puffnutiy
      0
      21 September 2011 16: 03
      Yuri,
      With all due respect, you write in your article:
      considers planetary funeral “victory”: according to various estimates, from 20 to 50 million direct irretrievable human losses

      Where does the data come from? From which source? Are you not confused by the fact that you are not giving the exact figure? The spread of 30 million is not at all small. Another quote:
      It’s a bad habit to identify ourselves with great achievements, with great people: we supposedly gave the world Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy ... But let me ask: why do you identify yourself with them, and not with those who spread rot, destroyed them? After all, they appeared and created not thanks to, but contrary to the System, contrary to most

      I really want to hear who and how rotted Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy. The stump gebna must have reached them in the coffin and spread rot. And is it also interesting to hear who you identify with? Maybe with Vlasov? Stepan Bender? Another quote:
      So here: why on earth do you bring the state and the people together? Not a single historian doubts that the Soviet state gained strength in the Second World War, and the people just received tens of millions of deaths, unprecedented devastation, camps, post-war hunger, tragic hopelessness and squalor for decades of life in a totalitarian System. So who won, System or people?

      I take the liberty of claiming that you believe that a people without a state has won? People themselves gathered and decided that it was necessary to melt the metal for the tanks, and then (again themselves) agreed to send it for rolling. And there, too, everything is already in the people's hands, it means that they are sending to the STZ, and from there the brand new national T-34s. And the state at that time under the table was shaking, along with Stalin. It has nothing to do with it. Yeah.
      Another quote. Direct greetings to Rezun:
      In fact, the “treacherous attack” on June 22, 1941 was the only right strategic decision in the conditions of an inevitable war with an enemy superior in strength.

      You yourself write that the attack was "treacherous". That is, you justify the state for not complying with its obligations? In your article you are appealing to the war in Finland, so there was a dip with Finland. relations when negotiations on the exchange (!) of territories reached an impasse.

      I don’t feel like reading any further. If a person is not interested in any information except for the night of the mentioned Rezun, then I shrug ...
    5. puffnutiy
      0
      21 September 2011 16: 04
      Yuri,
      With all due respect, you write in your article:
      considers planetary funeral “victory”: according to various estimates, from 20 to 50 million direct irretrievable human losses

      Where does the data come from? From which source? Are you not confused by the fact that you are not giving the exact figure? The spread of 30 million is not at all small. Another quote:
      It’s a bad habit to identify ourselves with great achievements, with great people: we supposedly gave the world Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy ... But let me ask: why do you identify yourself with them, and not with those who spread rot, destroyed them? After all, they appeared and created not thanks to, but contrary to the System, contrary to most

      I really want to hear who and how rotted Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy. The stump gebna must have reached them in the coffin and spread rot. And is it also interesting to hear who you identify with? Maybe with Vlasov? Stepan Bender? Another quote:
      So here: why on earth do you bring the state and the people together? Not a single historian doubts that the Soviet state gained strength in the Second World War, and the people just received tens of millions of deaths, unprecedented devastation, camps, post-war hunger, tragic hopelessness and squalor for decades of life in a totalitarian System. So who won, System or people?

      I take the liberty of claiming that you believe that a people without a state has won? People themselves gathered and decided that it was necessary to melt the metal for the tanks, and then (again themselves) agreed to send it for rolling. And there, too, everything is already in the people's hands, it means that they are sending to the STZ, and from there the brand new national T-34s. And the state at that time under the table was shaking, along with Stalin. It has nothing to do with it. Yeah.
      Another quote. Direct greetings to Rezun:
      In fact, the “treacherous attack” on June 22, 1941 was the only right strategic decision in the conditions of an inevitable war with an enemy superior in strength.

      You yourself write that the attack was "treacherous". That is, you justify the state for not complying with its obligations? In your article you are appealing to the war in Finland, so there was a dip with Finland. relations when negotiations on the exchange (!) of territories reached an impasse.

      I don’t feel like reading any further. If a person is not interested in any information except for the night of the mentioned Rezun, then I shrug ...
  3. Volkhov
    +7
    10 September 2011 11: 57
    In 45, Germany was occupied, but the enemy (Reich) left. Stalin understood that the war was not over, just a pack of allies tore the German overcoat, and tried to get hold of real opponents - this is what post-war militarism is connected with. But Stalin was killed, and the victory was replaced by "Victory Day", which, like any imitation, cannot give a result. The rejection of the Stalinist course led to the loss of sovereignty, and now Russia is a ball played by the Zionists (through the elite) and the Nazis (through military superiority), and so that the population does not feel sad, students are handing out St. George's ribbons.
    1. Mesniy
      -18
      10 September 2011 17: 15
      communism and fascism are twins brothers, and both must be destroyed. Fascism was destroyed and condemned, and communism has not yet received its "Nuremberg", and although almost everywhere it is also destroyed, in our country it hides like a chameleon under different guises, continuing to poison people's lives ...
      And it should be like in Europe with fascism - the criminal liability is even just for paraphernalia.
      Ie put on a red rag on the house - the term is real!
      1. +5
        10 September 2011 18: 45
        A worthy student of our shit, who are trying to convince our people to repent. Do not wait. Russia stood, stands and will stand. Although she is now very difficult, thanks in large part to detractors like you.
        1. +3
          10 September 2011 21: 01
          Quote: Mesniy
          put on a red rag on the house - the term is real!


          I will fasten. Every 9 may cling. Only not a red rag, but a copy of the banner of the victorious people.

          Mesniy, do you have blood diluted with bile?
          1. Mesniy
            -6
            11 September 2011 09: 50
            Well, what’s the matter on the person? I don’t write that your brain is diluted with shit?
          2. +1
            11 September 2011 17: 13
            nemtsi
            Well no. This is a crest.
          3. Aktium
            -6
            12 September 2011 03: 49
            "Banner of the Victorious People". And what kind of people are they? Soviet? Or "dear Russians"?
            1. +1
              15 September 2011 17: 35
              Soviet.
              And what, you also have something against the Victory banner? So it is, dear, the law spelled out.
          4. +2
            15 September 2011 17: 30
            He's just a troll - a bastard internet creature.
      2. panzersoldat
        +4
        11 September 2011 10: 15
        Well, different dregs defeated the USSR — and what, was it better for you to live in a country stolen by aligarchs?
      3. zczczc
        +1
        11 September 2011 14: 22
        Mesniy, it's also a question, whose twin you are. Change your nickname, here you are definitely not "local" - look at your rating.
        1. Mesniy
          -3
          11 September 2011 16: 35
          I’ve registered with this nickname on different sites and networks, and well, be patient. Well, guys, try not to get personal, neither you nor I like the current state of affairs it or not - but at the moment - we are allies! And there are no extra allies, especially in our position ...
          1. zczczc
            0
            11 September 2011 18: 58
            You are not from UNA UNSO, by chance, an ally? :)
            1. Mesniy
              -3
              11 September 2011 23: 31
              Well, if I were a Khokhl and lived in Ukraine, it is quite possible that I would be in UNA UNSO.
              1. zczczc
                0
                12 September 2011 02: 25
                Don't be afraid, they will take the "Russian" there.
          2. ytqnhfk
            -1
            15 September 2011 16: 09
            Such allies as YOU need to be kept at obvious enemies that would not be confused !!
      4. Aktium
        -4
        12 September 2011 03: 42
        Mussolini's granddaughter, Alessandra, is a member of the Italian Parliament. The term "fascism" comes from "Fashio di Combattimento" - "Union of Struggle" created to counterbalance the "socialists".
      5. zczczc
        +1
        12 September 2011 03: 46
        Mesniy, it reminds me - Petrov gave Ivanov an eye. And Mar-Ivanna both kicked out of class.

        Sometimes you need to understand who is right, who is to blame. Despite the similarity of any features.
      6. dmb
        +1
        12 September 2011 13: 30
        "Chameleon" is spelled with "e".
      7. 0
        15 September 2011 17: 30
        You're still a dead troll. Is it poorly eating?
    2. Aktium
      -8
      12 September 2011 03: 33
      Ah, poor comrade Stalin. The damned enemies killed his enemies. He prepared, you know, the "Liberation campaign to Europe", but the scoundrel Hitler was two weeks ahead of him and attacked the unfortunate USSR earlier. How so. camp to sit, Stalin-Beriev model, immediately the brain will fall into place.
      NS-Germany, by the way, just fought the Zionists. Or didn’t you know?
      1. Volkhov
        +1
        13 September 2011 23: 39
        Aktium, your typing speed is ahead of your thought - try to read what you are commenting on. It was about parity with the 4th Reich and the events of the 50s, which was thwarted so that Russia did not come forward. And the matter is not so much in the past as in the near future - Nazism and Zionism under external leadership are about to ruin people altogether, so the question is more serious than the "camp" - one must be able to be born in order to even get there.
        1. Aktium
          -2
          14 September 2011 00: 20
          Volkhov, what is the 4th Reich? Where is he? What are you talking about? As for Zionism, I agree. But how does Nazism get involved? The NSDAP has not existed for more than 60 years. Just like the Italian "Union of Struggle". If you mean the Russian National Movement by Nazism, then you are fundamentally wrong. Even if Russian nationalists drive someone into the camps, it is the "red mold" that hangs around on this site in the amount of 5-7 people and throws with a howl and squeal at everyone who disagrees with them (and others like them). By the way, in terms of typing speed, I can not compare with the Banshee, since I type with one finger. Do not you know. With the speed of thought I have complete order. and I wish you.
          1. +1
            14 September 2011 00: 25
            If Russian nationalists will drive someone "into camps", it is that "red mold" that hangs around this site in the amount of 5-7 people and pounces with a howl and squeal at all who disagree with them (and others like them ).

            I think the figure is not correct, multiply by 50, at least ...
          2. Volkhov
            0
            14 September 2011 03: 03
            If the Reich did not exist, life would be simpler - Chernobyl, Raspadskaya, Ordzhonikidze - their work, Tierra del Fuego, Congo, Sweden, the Moon - their apartments. The hooligans who beat the Tajiks and the millionth state formation with astronauts, saboteurs and myself. about. - Different things. If you don’t see something, this does not mean the absence of a problem, and any atomic explosion means that there is a plant, an army and politicians without complexes, and camouflage is their advantage.
            1. 0
              14 September 2011 06: 22
              Volkhov. You can ask you to express your thoughts more specifically, without delving into allegories. What do you call the Reich, or rather whom: Nazis, Zionists or "refugees" ??
              1. Volkhov
                0
                14 September 2011 19: 19
                So they first call themselves.
                1. 0
                  17 September 2011 17: 25
                  Listen, you have something, just like in the scripture "Son, Father and Holy Spirit", the possibility of participation in these manifestations of "refugees" seems to me a little real (IMHO - not that level).
        2. zczczc
          +1
          14 September 2011 00: 21
          The worst thing is that he and others like him do not understand that they are upholding the extreme nat. beliefs actually work for those who are so fiercely hated in words. Well, we can say that the foreign guys did a good job, raped us all through ours, who were not particularly thoughtful and violent. It's a shame that most of these guys are real patriots, only they got their brains so bad that they don’t understand what they’re doing.

          Aktsium, now you think that I wrote - you can be enlightened. There is no need to answer - just read 2 times and think.
          1. 0
            15 September 2011 17: 43
            Quote: Akcium
            If Russian nationalists will drive someone "into the camps", it will be that "red mold"


            "Russian nationalists" if they are capable of anything, it is to drive a circumcised genital organ into their anus, for "whoever fed the girl, who gave water to the girl, he will ... dance." Truth of the life.

            I made fun. All right, a Nazi. Wow, "Russian nationalist" ... "Black Hundred" ... Nugget, you know ... You are Jewish from time immemorial.
  4. +5
    10 September 2011 12: 05
    Yes we are winners! Envy trolls.
    1. Yuriy_K
      -12
      10 September 2011 12: 20
      /// Yes, we are winners! Envy the trolls .///
      The Germans, I feel, will die of envy of the winners ...
      Well, there are no brains, then rejoice in "victory", enjoy its fruits. I will even tell you that the shaft of these fruits will keep growing and growing. You will soon receive the same rake the opportunity to "win" one more time ...
      1. +12
        10 September 2011 12: 32
        Why do you mix the concepts of the USSR’s victory over Germany, with the quality of life after, then the Cold War policy continued, which continues now. We were victorious in order to survive and stay on this earth. We are glad for the victory of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers and no one will convince us of this NEVER.
      2. Sanzyro
        +7
        10 September 2011 12: 45
        Do not confuse victory and robbery ... If the USSR throughout its history pursued the same policy as the West (i.e. usurpation of resources for personal use, no matter what), we would also live in chocolate! But it’s not about us ...
        1. Mesniy
          -13
          10 September 2011 17: 22
          The West, specifically the United States, invested a lot of money in the post-war Eurorol (Marshall plan), and the USSR stupidly plundered its zone of occupation. As a result, the GDR was a pale shadow of the FRG
          And in totalitarian regimes people never live in chocolate, everything is always spent there on the implementation of military and political adventures and "fateful" decisions. And the people are degenerating and shrinking - Russia is an example of this.
        2. Aktium
          -6
          12 September 2011 03: 56
          They also plundered Ukraine with hunger. The Volga region, Tambov province. Vologda completely. Half of Russia was driven into the camps. Half of the gold reserves of the Russian Empire were plundered. In chocolate, Comrade Sanziro want to live. Take a revolver and rob like your "valiant ancestors-chekists.
      3. 0
        10 September 2011 12: 58
        I have always been amazed by the authors of such texts. Representing the entire population of the former USSR after the occupation, it will not burn in concentration camp stoves, but will transfer to the German Opel and Porsche. At the expense of the German budget.
        1. Aktium
          -1
          12 September 2011 03: 57
          Well, yes. The German concentration camps still have a horror story ... But in the Soviet concentration camps there was a resort.
      4. +7
        10 September 2011 13: 31
        For a thousand years of Russian history, there was not a single faith, not a single language, not a single culture. Soviet power gave national writing to almost all the peoples of the USSR.
        1. Mesniy
          -15
          10 September 2011 17: 25
          tell this nonsense to any national leader, he will spit in your face and will be right
          1. +5
            10 September 2011 18: 53
            These statements show that you were not taught in the USSR. Well, this is not given to you. Here you are mad. But remember, your time will soon sink into oblivion. You bite your tailbone out of anger. Good luck.
            1. Mesniy
              -8
              11 September 2011 09: 53
              Wonder, but where did I teach you? In the Soviets, in it, unfortunately ...
            2. Aktium
              -3
              12 September 2011 04: 07
              For 20 years now I have been hearing these nonsense: "Here we will show EVERYONE SOON" .. Tra-la-la.
              1. 0
                15 September 2011 17: 45
                I also hear from such people "soon your Rashke will come." And something doesn't ...
        2. Aktium
          -4
          12 September 2011 03: 58
          You, a citizen, read about the Russian-Chukchi War, at least.
        3. Aktium
          -3
          12 September 2011 21: 53
          Have you heard the Russian-Chukchi war?
      5. +6
        10 September 2011 18: 48
        Something seems to me that I have already heard such crazy words somewhere ... Yes, we rejoice in VICTORY. But you don’t understand this. You have not yet grown to understand this. Sorry.
      6. panzersoldat
        +4
        11 September 2011 10: 22
        Well, buy a ticket and go over the hill to the losers.
        These are exactly like you "svyadomyya" went to serve the Vlasovites. Maybe you still think that if the Ghanaians won, you would live in a civilized European country? DO NOT EMBARRASS YOURSELF.
        1. Aktium
          -3
          12 September 2011 04: 08
          Yes. I think so. Panzerzoldat. fellow
          1. oper66
            +3
            12 September 2011 16: 27
            so I think these two who put themselves in a position (orchestra - turned ass) to the Russian people are probably the last of those who stood in this pose with an offer of love and humility to the Germans (fascists) ready to serve them for affection and soldering and therefore spit poison with such anger to Russia, the worse for us, the better for them, since they are attracted at the genetic level by muscle memory to stand cancer before the flank, huts on chicken legs - Fiktsium and Msmeshnoy
            1. Aktium
              -6
              12 September 2011 21: 57
              I repeat once again, for those who are in the tank: in Germany there was National Socialism, not Fascism. In general, in Soviet times there was a saying: "It is better to be in the ranks of the SS than a slave to the CPSU." And for the ration only you, "comrades "in the camps, they plowed for 14 hours a day and seven days a week. "Stalin's falcons" - your mother.
          2. panzersoldat
            +2
            13 September 2011 22: 24
            Well, drink the poison or jump from the bridge. I'm sorry for your parents.
    2. Mesniy
      -11
      10 September 2011 17: 16
      Yes, you already in Africa, few people envy ...
      1. +5
        10 September 2011 21: 06
        And we do not need to envy. We, in fact, do not particularly need it. Moreover, in the envy of Africa. So far, they are going to study with us, and not us (by the way).
        I am sorry that in those years the SS did not get to your ancestors. Although something tells me the essence of your posts, that rather your ancestors were there. But abruptly broken off in 45. And you are all longing for unfulfilled dreams ...
        1. Mesniy
          -6
          11 September 2011 09: 59
          Unfortunately, while the male part of my ancestors defended this shitty regime at the front, the NKVD got to their home, so I perceive the Communists as the enemies who occupied my country. And the current rulers as repainted commies. And the enemies must be resisted in every way.
        2. Aktium
          -7
          12 September 2011 04: 09
          Banshee, it’s a pity that comrade Beria didn’t reach your ancestors. Perhaps you yearn for the unfulfilled dreams of the World USSR?
    3. Aktium
      -7
      12 September 2011 03: 51
      What to envy, red? You are certainly not a winner. wink
      1. +1
        13 September 2011 22: 44
        You may be sorry, but I do not care deeply about the opinion of some Natsik. I am the grandson of conquerors over your spiritual leaders. So brown, stick your tongue away. It stinks.
        1. Aktium
          0
          14 September 2011 00: 26
          I’m not brown. I’m white. And at the expense of the victors over the spiritual leaders ... Christians were killed and tortured for three hundred years. And there were persecutions under the Council of Deputies. They didn’t surrender. And your “spiritual leaders” only have that “Capital "Marx with his" commodity-money-commodity "and the idea of ​​universal equality of monkeys with rhinos.
          1. zczczc
            +3
            14 September 2011 01: 13
            Those. Russian ability to resist versus persecutors was acquired exclusively through baptism, and before Christianity, Russian was a submissive sheep - so what? Do not mix warm with soft - Christianity and the mentality of the people are different things.
  5. +11
    10 September 2011 12: 44
    Otto von Bismarck

    Never plot against Russia - they will find their stupidity for any of our tricks.
    It is impossible to defeat the Slavs, we have seen this for hundreds of years.
    This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs.
    Even the most favorable outcome of an open war will never lead to the decomposition of the main power of Russia, which is based on millions of Russians themselves.
    But the Slavs can instill false, low values, and then they will defeat themselves.

    Citizens of Russia, what values ​​does the tandem of Putin and Medvedev impose on us?
    1. Mesniy
      -12
      10 September 2011 17: 26
      old songs about once the main thing ... now such quotes cause only a smile
      1. +8
        10 September 2011 18: 56
        Is this the one pictured on your avatar? Where did you get so twisted? Carry a bib with you to wipe the foam of anger.
        1. Mesniy
          -4
          11 September 2011 10: 00
          Yes, anger is dripping from those who turn to personality.
          1. +1
            11 September 2011 23: 29
            He himself moved to another lane. Sit too ... nemoshnik.
          2. oper66
            +6
            12 September 2011 16: 55
            so you are not a person but the Russian people are obsessing the bastard yourself you do not consider Russian and you relate to Russia in the third person as a resident of Israel, who you yourself are,
        2. +4
          13 September 2011 21: 24
          Is this the one pictured on your avatar? Where did you get so twisted?

          it’s like after Kashchenko, a medical consequence ...
    2. 0
      11 September 2011 23: 33
      Actually, plus for everything except the last thesis. Despite what sounds like a program of some kind of patriotic boy scout club. But it sounds right.

      Tandem ... They are Slavs ... How so?
      1. oper66
        +1
        12 September 2011 16: 57
        Are you banshee kidding me? who are the Slavs Damka and Navel, fear God and do not make people laugh
        1. +1
          13 September 2011 22: 46
          Not on your nelly. Extremely irony. Well, if they laughed at it, it would not lose me. In general, in matters of affiliation is not strong, but damn, they are definitely not Kazakhs.
          1. oper66
            +1
            14 September 2011 00: 14
            Yes, they are not Kazakhs, they are not villains, because there’s nothing for them, it’s just gold and good, I don’t remember who they were who told the story to my Hugo if I was not mistaken called GOBSEC when the father, the banker, the millionaire, rejected his son from greed and then executed himself when he died of starvation it is in the 1th century
      2. zczczc
        +1
        14 September 2011 00: 28
        Banshee, Wow! VV West Baltid, YES - look at it yourself, it does not require comments :)
        1. -1
          15 September 2011 14: 50
          C'mon ... If I’d been some kind of Nazi / nationalist, I’d understand the subtleties. And so ... Actually, I do not care for my eye color and blood type. Judged by deeds.
    3. Aktium
      -3
      12 September 2011 04: 11
      Bismarck never said such words. The invention of the Soviet "novelists".
      1. +2
        13 September 2011 22: 40
        Idioms of Bimark:
        By Providence itself, I was destined to be a diplomat: after all, I was even born on the day of the first of April.
        Revolutions are conceived by geniuses, carried out by fanatics, and scoundrels use their results.
        Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.
        Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast.
        Congratulate me - the comedy is over ... (while resigning as chancellor).
        He is, as always, with a diva smile on his lips and with an ice compress on his heart (about Chancellor of the Russian Empire Gorchakov).
        You do not know this audience! Finally, the Jew Rothschild ... this, I tell you, is incomparable cattle. For the sake of speculation on the exchange, he is ready to bury the whole of Europe, but to blame ... me?
        Before his death, having regained consciousness for a short time, he said: “I am dying, but from the point of view of the interests of the state, this is impossible!”
        The war between Germany and Russia is the greatest stupidity. That is why it is bound to happen.
        presumably: If you want to build socialism, choose a country that is not a pity.
        presumably: If you don’t build schools today, then you will have to build prisons tomorrow.
        1. oper66
          +1
          14 September 2011 00: 18
          Bismarck considered GORCHAKOV his diplomacy teacher
      2. 0
        13 September 2011 22: 47
        Of course, of course ... You stood there behind your back and wrote everything down.
  6. Sobibor
    -3
    10 September 2011 14: 16
    Yes, it was a big war, but do not get hung up on it.
    After all, one day you can wake up in another world with old ideals
    1. +3
      10 September 2011 15: 18
      We have one homeland, and the other will not. The ideals of the Russian people have been created for centuries, and it’s not the tandem to change them. Don't like being Russian? Do circumcision and go to Muslims.
      1. Mesniy
        -5
        10 September 2011 17: 40
        And you don’t subscribe to all the people, the ideals were imposed on him differently, and they didn’t hold on for a long time, because you don’t have to reinvent the wheel - there are universal values, nothing better could be invented. And they will triumph all over the world. for example, do something for yourself, you’ll come up with it yourself.
        1. 0
          10 September 2011 19: 00
          I would like you to write right now these beloved universal values ​​of yours. Maybe we will understand. But somehow the conversation is one-goal. In general, universal values ​​are set forth in the Bible and in the moral Code of the builder of communism. Learn. Maybe you will become a person and stop provoking people.
          1. Aktium
            -5
            12 September 2011 04: 17
            So the communists went. The Bible and the Moral Code of the Builder of Communism are on the same shelf for them. How is it, "comrades"?
        2. Sanzyro
          0
          11 September 2011 14: 01
          What are all human? Papuans, for example, people eat. Is this also universal? Oddly enough, but universal values ​​in history have not united anyone! This is the notion of current political strategists. The idea - yes, it used to raise whole nations out of the mud, and this vague phrase of yours crashes even in a well-fed and packed Europe ...
          1. Aktium
            -6
            12 September 2011 04: 18
            Do not slander the Papuans, “comrade.” “All people are brothers,” or have you forgotten?
            1. 0
              13 September 2011 22: 49
              Now he got out, "relative" brown .... About people like you forgot. Your brothers are all in hell.
              1. Aktium
                -1
                14 September 2011 00: 30
                My brothers are in heaven, and your ghoul lies in a ziggurat, still not buried. At night, they say, howl is heard from there. Blood apparently gives little. Not pumped.
                1. zczczc
                  0
                  14 September 2011 01: 14
                  List brothers if they are famous people?
                  1. -1
                    15 September 2011 14: 54
                    Schicklgruber, Rosenberg, Eichmann, Goering, Himmler, Goebbels, Mengele ...
                    All very decent people. For people like him.
      2. Sobibor
        -4
        11 September 2011 14: 51
        We have one homeland, and the other will not.,
        I agree - but it’s not like yours.

        Quote: stas
        Don't like being Russian?

        I do not like. This is not fashionable, and non-Russian I

        Quote: stas
        Do circumcision and go to Muslims.

        What for? I live so well
        1. ytqnhfk
          0
          15 September 2011 16: 24
          What YOU need here is to "hide the fat and crush the burning girls" Have you already kicked out your own? I would sit in my own square!
      3. Aktium
        -7
        12 September 2011 04: 15
        There used to be Fatherland, now “Motherland”. And what do you have against Muslims, “comrade?” They, too, “on the Kolchak fronts” shed their blood for “Soviet Motherland”.
        1. +3
          12 September 2011 11: 06
          I am not against the Muslim religion, I am against the betrayal of the memory of our ancestors. And I’m sure that Muslims will support me too. They also do not need traitors, as well as Orthodox Christians.
          1. Mesniy
            -5
            13 September 2011 11: 46
            the betrayal of the memory of the ancestors is what the komunyaks began with other nasty things that were kept by the German General Staff. They did everything for the collapse of the front - and, accordingly, the collapse of the EXCELLENT RUSSIAN EMPIRE! This is - a betrayal - which was never equal before. and all with a red rag. They are scavengers on the corpse of a once great country.
            1. Joker
              +3
              13 September 2011 11: 52
              And Nicholas is not a traitor who threw the throne and contributed to this mess?
            2. oper66
              +1
              14 September 2011 01: 37
              WHERE ARE YOU WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE NOVOROSS?
      4. oper66
        +1
        12 September 2011 16: 59
        it’s better for such traitors of the Russian Empire to do tearing off, and why in the Muslims the Jews are also bitten
    2. Sanzyro
      0
      10 September 2011 15: 46
      What do you suggest ?? How's the proverb? If you want one scandal to be forgotten - arrange another, more grandiose one! So what ??
    3. +2
      10 September 2011 21: 09
      It was like that. And nothing, alive, oddly enough. And we will continue to live, no matter what. So just do not ruin us.
      There are temporary difficulties. 50-60 years for a country with a history of more than one thousand years is not a time limit. Stand it.
      1. Aktium
        -4
        12 September 2011 04: 20
        Yes, yes. "Proletarian, proletarian, what will become of you when Erhard's brigade gets under arms."
        1. +2
          13 September 2011 22: 54
          Yes, nothing will happen. Where is your team? Or are these soplazhuy, which I with my guys on the DR of your Fuhrer in the fishing line one weighed? And those who could not escape, they also dragged them to the ROVD ... Oh, they sobbed the whole monkey there, with pleas and requests to let them go ... The cops added them after our departure ...

          If this brown foam in the toilet is your praised brigade, shit, then you can sleep 100 for years.
          1. Aktium
            -4
            14 September 2011 00: 35
            I would like to see it. "Terrible" Banshee, in a leather jacket and with a star in his forehead, destroys a "brigade" of fascists in the fishing line. The plot is worthy of a film epic of the 30-40s. "Brown foam in the toilet" - what kind of mental impairment do you need to have to express yourself like that?
            1. +2
              15 September 2011 14: 56
              Yes, no problem ... Come to the city of Voronezh in April, just on the other your Fuhrer and see everything. And feel it. Weak?
              1. Aktium
                0
                16 September 2011 21: 08
                Only if you pay the fare and living expenses. Yes, throw your address, so that I would not get lost.
  7. mitrich
    +6
    10 September 2011 16: 14
    So the Germans lived better than the inhabitants of the USSR even before World War II. Read the memoirs of veterans, practically each of them, recalling defeated Germany, writes that the general feeling of Soviet soldiers was: "Well, why did they need all this?"
    Honestly, I really like this nation - German, although it brought a lot of grief to my family. Clean, well-groomed, hardworking, and drink is not fools ...
    By the way, ordinary male Germans in private modern conversations are perplexed - why the heck this European Union has surrendered to them, they have a feeling (not far from the truth, by the way) that they are pulling the rest of Europe "into a bright future" on their hump.
    1. +2
      10 September 2011 19: 09
      Obviously looking at the Germans, you also want to stretch out the unreasonable inhabitants of Russia on your hump and introduce them to "universal" values. It will not work.
      1. mitrich
        0
        10 September 2011 19: 35
        AleksUkr,
        second shot today - and again in the "milk" ...
        And you have not tried to understand what is written literally, exactly as it is spanked on the screen, and without far-reaching conclusions about "mills" and "universal" values. Just as information wink . Maybe you should not bring the theory under each paragraph. I really felt funny winked .
        1. +2
          10 September 2011 21: 13
          Quote: mitrich
          So the Germans lived better than the people of the USSR even before World War II.


          C'mon ... The crisis in 30's was worse than ours, it is still remembered.

          The Germans have a lot to learn. I would also add that they knew how to fight. In Suvorov. Not by number, but by skill. That's just not very far-sighted, Nehru was on us to climb.

          Quote: mitrich
          the feeling (not far from the truth, by the way) that they are pulling the rest of Europe "into a bright future" on their backs.


          Yes, Merkel is already a pity, she is spinning like a louse on a comb with Italian-Spanish corpses ... Well, the Germans have no luck when Italians are in one team, even though you are bursting. And she has no time to read the story.
          1. Aktium
            -6
            12 September 2011 04: 25
            In the 30s, there was just no crisis in Germany. You again confused something, "comrade" Banshee. Probably from the USSR. By the way, no one climbed on you. You were not in the project yet. Communists are not even more lucky when they want to make a "world revolution". First, the Poles piz.yachek insert. Then the Germans are ahead. Poor revolutionaries.
            1. +1
              15 September 2011 14: 58
              Of course, it was not ... Someone was yelling out there, what did the main campf read? so re-read, well described there.
              1. Aktium
                -1
                16 September 2011 21: 10
                Reread yourself. The book was written in 1921-1922.
          2. +2
            12 September 2011 11: 24
            Well, the Germans are not lucky when the Italians are in the same team, even though you crack. And she has no time to read the story.

            For the sake of completeness of the story, there are not enough Romanians of the Hungarians and other young Europeans who were part of the German troops.
    2. zczczc
      +1
      11 September 2011 14: 29
      mitrich, what is pulling the rest of Europe is not hidden. Have you heard the phrase "the locomotive of the European economy"?
  8. +3
    10 September 2011 20: 49
    Excerpts from the plan of A. Daless on the collapse of the USSR

    Allen Dulles (1893-1969), Director of the CIA 1953-1961. One of the organizers of intelligence and espionage and sabotage activities against the USSR and other socialist countries, the ideologist of the Cold War.

    The war will end, everything will somehow settle down, settle down. And we will throw everything that we have - all the gold, all the material power to fool and fool people!
    The human brain, the minds of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos, we quietly replace their values ​​with fake ones and make them believe in these fake values.
    How?
    We will find our like-minded people, our allies in Russia itself.
    Episode after episode, a tragedy of grandiose scale will be played out for the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final, irreversible fading of their self-consciousness.
    We will quietly, but actively and constantly contribute to the tyranny of officials, bribe takers, and unscrupulousness. Bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtue.
    Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples, primarily enmity and hatred of the Russian people - we will cultivate all this adroitly and inconspicuously, it will bloom terry color.
    We will dig up spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of popular morality. We will make of them cynics, vulgarities, cosmopolitans.
    This is how we will do it.
    A. Dulles. "Reflections on the implementation of American
    post-war doctrine against the USSR ”, 1945.
    1. -3
      10 September 2011 23: 54
      Good plan. And who helped put it into practice? The answer is that the Communists, having unlimited power in the country and control over the flow of any information from outside, managed to shave both the country and the Great Feat of the Russian people.
      1. 0
        11 September 2011 23: 38
        You, I'm sorry, like Pavlov's dog. No other reaction?
        And nothing that the Communists had more than 50% of the electorate? Although, perhaps, the figure was more.
        It turns out that everyone pissed away those who lived in this country, a large part of its population, right?
        1. 0
          11 September 2011 23: 59
          Listen, what kind of comparisons? I don’t call you superstitious Irish howling sabaka. And what is 50%? which electorate?
          1. 0
            13 September 2011 22: 59
            Already called. Only I am not a sabaka, but dogs. wink
            1. -1
              14 September 2011 02: 03
              It does not matter, comment on the merits. It can be seen that the Irish superstitious spies, with the stigma of the military acceptance of the union - there is no objective evidence that someone else has pissed off the country and the feat of the Russian people. The Communists had all the power, and it was they who allowed the plans of the enemies of Russia (such as Dulles) to be realized.
              1. -1
                15 September 2011 17: 56
                Oh, how you all is simple! The main thing is to blame anyone. You yourself, clearly, there is nothing to do with it. You, on the contrary, did your best to prevent this from happening, right? It is possible to wonder where exactly you overcame, that now so go directly to?
                Or, all that is yours is in the style of Professor Pavlov's well-trained dog: "Communist - GAV! USSR - GAV!"
        2. Aktium
          -1
          12 September 2011 04: 32
          In 1996, Zyuganov gave all his votes to Yeltsin, in exchange for the fact that the President would not ban the Communist Party. Well, and in FIGs your 50% are not needed by anyone after that.
          1. 0
            13 September 2011 23: 03
            In 1996, Zyuganov gave all his votes to Yeltsin, in exchange for the fact that the President would not ban the Communist Party. Well, and in FIGs your 50% are not needed by anyone after that.

            okay, everyone knows that they simply paid 150 to $ 3 for the "comrades" so that they did not appear and did not gain a quorum, then the people were still indignant that they gave little, they had to demand 10-20 more times ...
            1. Aktium
              -2
              14 September 2011 00: 42
              Maybe paid. But the Communist Party is declining every year.
        3. Mesniy
          -2
          13 September 2011 11: 57
          no, not like that. there were party functionaries - those who took the "fateful" decisions and "ruled", and there were "ordinary" parties adopted for the livestock and nationality, party dues payments, etc., no one asked them about anything. order for the livestock in the ranks in the percentage of workers of collective farmers and labor intelligentsia. And in the army did not join the party - a hell of a career, so did the Komsomol. institute to enter, it is necessary to enter. We then laughed at all this.
    2. Aktium
      -5
      12 September 2011 04: 30
      It is curious that this "Plan" was published exactly after the collapse of the USSR, if my memory serves me right, in 1992. Fake, however.
      1. 0
        12 September 2011 12: 55
        I know many people who claimed to be familiar with this information until 92.
        1. Aktium
          -7
          12 September 2011 22: 07
          Mademauazel Solodova, please don’t get into politics. I know what I’m talking about. And I know that out of all the women, only three had enough intelligence, and even that by origin and position: Catherine the Great, Margaret Thatcher and Raisa Maximovna Gorbacheva.
          1. 0
            12 September 2011 22: 51
            You learn shitty lessons.
            1. Aktium
              -4
              13 September 2011 17: 04
              Unlike the current hysterical two-year-olds, I have two higher educations and one of them is military.
              1. +2
                13 September 2011 23: 00
                Unnoticed.
                1. Aktium
                  -2
                  14 September 2011 00: 43
                  Banshees, you promised to ignore me ....
                  1. 0
                    15 September 2011 15: 02
                    No, I did not promise.
          2. 0
            13 September 2011 21: 31
            Mademauazel Solodova, please don’t get into politics. I know what I’m talking about. And I know that out of all the women, only three had enough intelligence, and even that by origin and position: Catherine the Great, Margaret Thatcher and Raisa Maximovna Gorbacheva.

            You forgot Elizabeth, the queen of GB and everything else ... By the way, Raisa was not a politician, she was just a strong-willed wife who bent over a labeled house.
            1. slan
              0
              13 September 2011 21: 37
              Monica Livinsky, but, probably, the fact is that he sees a competitor in her. Very unconventional comrade ..
              1. Aktium
                -3
                14 September 2011 00: 47
                Slan, you wanted to do your bit and join the campaign of "red" propagandists and perverts?
            2. Aktium
              -3
              14 September 2011 00: 45
              Yes, I repent. I forgot Elizabeth. In any case, Solodova is not Elizabeth. Although, as a woman, she is probably good. But not as a theorist.
          3. zczczc
            +1
            14 September 2011 00: 34
            Aktium, insulting is the last thing. Not a man.
            1. 0
              15 September 2011 15: 04
              No, he can. He is a Yubermensh, all-knowing and omniscient ...
  9. zczczc
    -2
    11 September 2011 14: 38
    My 5 cents.

    The article is about nothing, cry in a vest. The author writes in well-known cliches, states the facts, but does not propose a construct.

    This article is from 1991, thanks to which we torn apart a great country. And that clerk, which is visible in the discussion, is another confirmation of this.

    Do not get fooled by provocations.
    1. Mesniy
      -2
      11 September 2011 16: 41
      And who is this "WE"? I didn’t fuck her if I did! And I did real things for her, even though I hated and hate the komunyak. I don’t need this sprinkling of ashes if I didn’t really mow it myself.
      1. zczczc
        0
        11 September 2011 16: 58
        "we" are Russians and those who value the empire as an integral entity. Russian, to whom the empire is not dear - they should be displayed in the zoo with a sign "unreasonable person".

        And do not judge the commies by the fact of the arrest of their relatives. My great-grandfather also shot one geek with a star on his forehead point-blank right on the street, only Leiba Davydovich Bronstein gave him a gun. When I and the others speak of communists, we mean the communists after the purges of Stalin, and not before.
        1. Aktium
          -6
          12 September 2011 04: 35
          And what's the difference. Before and after. "A good Bolshevik is a dead Bolshevik."
          1. zczczc
            0
            12 September 2011 14: 16
            Aktsium, from that moment I decided to ignore you.
            1. Aktium
              -4
              12 September 2011 22: 08
              Yes, please. It’s easier for me.
            2. Mesniy
              -4
              13 September 2011 12: 00
              Well, there’s nothing to answer ....
              People like you are trying to ignore the history and realities of our time.
              Will not help.
              1. zczczc
                0
                13 September 2011 12: 47
                And what will I answer him if he throws slogans, moreover, extremist? Let him go to a demonstration of liberals.
      2. +2
        11 September 2011 18: 21
        Mesniy, stop the fool chasing. More than sure, you think how many of us are Russians. If you like to hang out, say so.
        1. zczczc
          +1
          11 September 2011 18: 51
          And he, like from a joke - scored a goal against himself, they shout to him ".......", and he bows, bows ...
          1. +1
            11 September 2011 23: 27
            If this is the way to approach the issue - no one has bothered the country. No man will say that to himself. Everyone worked or pretended to work for the common good. So, did she get out on her own?

            And Mr. Mesniy loves to spoil everything. He himself is white and fluffy, and we are all in shit. He just has another country.
            1. zczczc
              0
              12 September 2011 02: 44
              I’m talking about an article, not about who prosralized the country. The article promotes the ideology of defeatism - everything is bad, we can’t do anything, a broken trough, etc. .. When a person thinks so, it will be so. We must not live a BAD future, then it will not be.

              If in 1991 before the collapse of the Union we had not a bald, but a normal leader, I assure him that he would have laid down his life, but saved the country from the collapse. All reserves are good here. In the end, the task was how it was - there was suddenly nothing to eat, and there was nothing to buy grain, because oil prices have fallen. Well, take it and promise some amount of future oil for free - not everyone agreed to strangle us in the end. We had more than enough resources - but we had to hold out for only a year. ALL YEAR ROUND! And he promised to split the country for the same grain! Freak with the order.

              For this year it was necessary to sow a bunch of squares corny and here you have no hunger. And if so, one might think of structural reorganizations in the economy. Do everything smoothly, while maintaining the right enterprises. When the economy lives off domestic consumption and does not buy anything abroad, you can live at the same level as you like. The goal will be only tech. progress, and complete independence - it already exists.

              Yes, I would have to fall into the legs of my people and ask for forgiveness for the lies that we have all the best and most advanced. The people would understand if they honestly explained the prospect of a split of the country into parts and civil wars on the outskirts. If necessary, introduce a six-day period, as under Stalin. For my own sake, after all.
              1. Aktium
                -6
                12 September 2011 03: 15
                What hunger? There was no hunger. How the meat and potatoes were sold in the markets continued. Vodka only went up. In general, Gorbachev needs to erect a monument for freeing Russia from parasites. (True, not completely). But Yeltsin anathematized, because the Communists are not completely crushed.
                1. zczczc
                  +2
                  12 September 2011 03: 33
                  Do you remember vodka?







                  1. Aktium
                    -4
                    12 September 2011 22: 17
                    I can send you a thousand such photos, the times of Stalin, Brezhnev and Khrushchev. Well, Andropov and Chernenko in addition. The main thing is to catch a "shot", as the journalists say. Here, for example, is the first photo. What does Granny do at an empty counter in splendid isolation? clearly new. Photo staged, just like photo 4 and photo 3. Photo 2 shows the queue. Why are they there? For the cakes? So the cake is not a product of the first necessity. This is firstly. And secondly. , if there is a queue, then there are cakes and there are a lot of them. And I remember vodka. Because we lived in a barrack and the men always discussed "domestic and foreign policy" together with the prices for vodka. Think. For the "Soviet working people", the policy of the CPSU was inseparable from the price of vodka.
                    1. zczczc
                      0
                      13 September 2011 12: 52
                      No, you read it - tin !!! :)))))))))))
                      Okay, I didn’t find the shelves of this design, and I didn’t see the queues (was it small?), But I’ve already talked in circles where everything is only transferred to vodka ... :))))

                      Why! Here it is, the younger generation ...
                      1. Aktium
                        -1
                        13 September 2011 17: 09
                        Such as zczczc, used to be called: "cardboard fool". Throughout the "Soviet country", vodka was the second currency.
                      2. zczczc
                        0
                        13 September 2011 18: 10
                        But not everyone considered translating it.
                      3. Aktium
                        -1
                        14 September 2011 00: 48
                        I agree - not all. But most.
                      4. oper66
                        +1
                        14 September 2011 00: 09
                        Yes, not vodka was a currency, but the moment of its use, since people who took Magarych were usually familiar with each other and the help rendered to a friend was paid off by a friendly feast, except for the degradant who had a machine gun that a cheerges would have just knocked down
                    2. alnikar
                      0
                      13 September 2011 23: 54
                      Aktium,
                      Quote: Akcium
                      CPSU policy was inseparable from vodka prices.
                      F
                      And find on nete and read the statistics on alcohol consumption in councils, you go nuts, there was no need for vodka in our country under Stalin, then consumption decreased and very much (there were other problems), and some scum drove into our people’s head that we had vodka -it was always the norm, to get to him and at stake, for such an idea. (I dare to suggest that this scum is Khrushchev, although we may not see the pros / cons of it).
                      1. zczczc
                        0
                        14 September 2011 00: 37
                        Under Stalin, there was no time to drink (it was necessary to work) and it was dangerous (late for 15 minutes - to Siberia).
                      2. Aktium
                        -1
                        14 September 2011 00: 57
                        Alnicar, the conversation is about the 70s and 80s. In 1914, a "dry law" was introduced in the Russian Empire, which was not canceled under the Provisional Government. Do you know what the "revolutionaries-Bolsheviks" and "revolutionary sailors" did in the first place after the October coup? We have plundered wine warehouses. In the 20s, in the USSR (after Lenin's death), a "dry law" was also introduced. But as soon as Comrade Stalin carried out collectivization, they began to drive vodka again and introduced a state monopoly on this. So there is no need to talk about "good" Stalin. The people were kicked out pretty much - the men died both at the front and in the Gulag camps. This was the reason for the decline in vodka consumption after the war.
                      3. oper66
                        +2
                        14 September 2011 01: 29
                        Actium Read STATS consumption of pure alcohol per WORLDWIDE AND understand THAT RUSSIA DRINK MUCH LESS THAN THERE Eaten NUMBER OF DRINKS PEREVODTSYA in alcohol REGARDLESS its presence in the beverage IN RUSSIA EVEN tsarist times ALKOGL used moderately only on holidays drank only TE who had in the circle by the king as a reward for deeds they drank FREE BUT THERE WAS A MEASURE damasks DAY And stories about drunks RUSSIAN come up ZAPODNIKAMI HAVE CONSCIENCE IS ENOUGH find fault PEOPLE YOU ARE HERE explained WHO YOU ARE WHAT genus TRIBE WHAT IS representant YES TELL WHERE YOU SO HAPPENED, OFFENDED THAT YOU DO NOT SEE ALL AND ALL
                    3. oper66
                      +2
                      14 September 2011 04: 20
                      you came a modern photo where old people beg for rubbish, hustle, shave, and huddle in the gateways to whom you owe the very fact that you can tap on the clave on a warm toilet seat
                      1. Aktium
                        0
                        15 September 2011 23: 42
                        The fact of tapping on the keyboard, I owe it to the "rotten west", which you hate so much. The Internet was developed at the Pentagon, and computer programs were developed by Bill Gates. And normal old people do not run around in garbage dumps and do not beg. They pay their pension and children should help.
        2. Mesniy
          -6
          11 September 2011 23: 34
          That's it, I think how RUSSIAN whose brains are not contaminated with komunyachy poison.
          1. zczczc
            +1
            12 September 2011 02: 30
            Those. the Communists-poison, the EP-crooks, really you go to vote for Yavlinsky? They are fed from the State Department ...
            1. LESHA pancake
              +2
              12 September 2011 04: 34
              Of course he will go from the fifth column.
          2. 0
            13 September 2011 21: 36
            That's it, I think how RUSSIAN whose brains are not contaminated with komunyachy poison.

            then what? explain to us your position and if there is an ideology ... Maybe we are not catching up with something? shorter prick ...
          3. alnikar
            0
            13 September 2011 23: 39
            Understand the local one, as I already wrote in one topic there are no communists (or there are not many), we talked more often about the economy that was effective at that time (albeit with its own shortcomings) and the glory of the people about the feat of which we SHOULD remember and talk about it with our children, and remember RUSSIAN - this is not an ethnic concept, this is NOT a nationality, RUSSIANs - this is a nation, the union of all the peoples of our land for Peace and Freedom.
            1. Aktium
              -1
              14 September 2011 01: 00
              No, I understand that now you’re straining to read and write, but to say that RUSSIAN is not a nationality, but RUSSIAN is a nation of all peoples ......
              Nationality means belonging to a nation. Remember, Alnikar.
              1. alnikar
                0
                14 September 2011 10: 54
                Aktium,
                Quote: Akcium
                Nationality means belonging to a nation

                Aktium read the definition, Nationality - belonging to any ethnic group. In the USA, for example, there are also Russians, Jews, Germans, Irish, British, French, but at heart they are Americans or don’t know what they call themselves, and we are Russians and it doesn’t matter who you are Russian (Slav, Rus, Rosich), Tatar, Bashkir , Ukrainian, Belarusian, etc. Russians are a soul and not a nationality.
                1. Aktium
                  0
                  15 September 2011 23: 45
                  Alnikar, you are crazy. Tell any Tatar, Bashkir, etc. whom you have listed that he is Russian, at best for you, will be sent in three letters.
            2. Mesniy
              -1
              14 September 2011 20: 14
              Yes, the economy was not effective! There was an oil needle on which they sat. At 80, oil fell in price - the scoop collapsed. And the economy was purely raw, as in the third world.
              1. -1
                15 September 2011 15: 06
                Is it different now?
          4. oper66
            +2
            14 September 2011 01: 31
            DO NOT OFFEND US FUNNY YOU NOT RUSSIAN YOU ........... !!!!! MY OPINION
            1. Mesniy
              -2
              14 September 2011 20: 15
              Put it in yourselves.
    2. Aktium
      -6
      12 September 2011 04: 34
      In general, then you prosrali. Because except for tra-la-la, they are no longer capable of anything.
      1. 0
        15 September 2011 18: 04
        As an option, let's say.

        But so far your white-national monarchist-onanists have not been noted, except in the beatings of aliens by the numbers 10 to 1. And all you can do is write on the Internet. And grunt. Wrong? A couple of proofs in the studio is weak?

        But it will be even worse for you (let us assume that you are running into your power), because in order to get into something, you need to have something. And you, alas, have nothing for your soul. And can not be. Polka n% zdiv - one thing, and roll bags - the other. the first you know how. The second is unlikely.

        And there will be the same trawling and accusations against someone else (Democrats, Communists), as the cause of your failures.

        That's just the power of these will not be allowed.
        1. Aktium
          0
          15 September 2011 23: 55
          Well, you apparently turned a lot of sacks. Until now, others are raking. They do not start power - they take it. And where did you get the idea that we would be "pissing". It was the Bolsheviks who were "poking". Starting from 1917. By the way, in 1991 they also pissed away the authorities, their former "colleagues". I am not going to blame anyone for the cause of OUR failures. Because the communists and democrats will either "change their colors" or they will be kicked out of the country. And I repeat once again: power is not an apartment. They are not allowed into it. Just like leaders are not allowed. Leaders come on their own and take power with their associates.
  10. Aktium
    -8
    12 September 2011 03: 08
    Lies, ........ and red propaganda. There was no "German fascism". The invention of Jewish political instructors. There was National Socialism in Germany. In 1937, in the newspaper "PRAVDA", an article was published: "Hands off National Socialism." Not a single Russian nationalist, did not hear the words "Beat the Germans." The Soviet Army brought the Red Plague to the world. Thank God for a little while. Adolf Hitler and The NSDAP came to power on the basis of an HONEST democratic election, and not as a result of a coup, like the red, Bolshevik mold. The term "Father of Nations" refers precisely to the red comrade Stalin, not to Adolf Hitler.
    "Winner", if you want to drive an "expensive car", buy it yourself, and do not moan that it is bad for you to live without a car.
    And, in general, if a normal person wants to do something, he does, and does not complain about a bad life. In general: "To each his own. Caesar is Caesar, but God is God" (This is what Jesus Christ said, if anything).
    1. zczczc
      +2
      12 September 2011 03: 35
      The National Assembly was not economically viable; it needed resource donors. Exactly what the United States requires now.
      1. Aktium
        -5
        12 September 2011 22: 20
        Where did he need resource donors? Only oil. But this issue was resolved with the help of allied Romania. But the USSR without German and American engineers was not wealthy.
        1. zczczc
          0
          14 September 2011 00: 43
          Just a little bit - oil for tanks, ships, planes and motorized infantry. Just a trifle :)
          And what then did they export with chernozem compounds from Ukraine? Probably beguiled something ...

          Generally, what are you arguing? What do you want to prove? Communists are idiots? It's not about the Communists; it's about the point of attraction. In any situation, in any country, in any historical era, there are two types of people: patriots and traitors. And that’s it. At different times, patriots are called differently. After Stalin, they were called communists. And there are no dogmas. A communist is not a stigma on his forehead, it was just such a way to bring the right people together to make a mechanism out of them. Right now, the patriots are all dispersed, they are sitting in an unorganized manner, so any scum has come out - the country is being sold wholesale and retail.

          Draw conclusions and don't be afraid of the word "communist". And distinguish the communists before Stalin and after Stalin - they are enemies to each other for the most part.
      2. Mesniy
        -3
        13 September 2011 12: 04
        Well, the resources to the Nazis fighting in the West were supplied by his faithful ally - the USSR! Without any problems at all! All that the Germans wanted. The last train with raw materials in minutes before the start of the German offensive passed.
        1. Joker
          0
          13 September 2011 12: 07
          Here are people like you who distort history, the USSR is an ally of Germany, smiled.
        2. 0
          13 September 2011 21: 41
          Well, the resources to the Nazis fighting in the West were supplied by his faithful ally - the USSR!

          everything supplied supplies, including amers with angles, what do you think, who owned the developments in Scandinavia? The Luftwaffe was created in Holland and Austria.
    2. ytqnhfk
      +1
      13 September 2011 13: 27
      . YOU would have to prove in a concentration camp that this is a lie and there is no German fascism !!! Well, and on my own I want to add how YOU are on the street, then go without a muzzle, because in our country every 3 Communists are in their hearts!
      1. Aktium
        -3
        13 September 2011 18: 02
        Curious where these statistics come from? Where do you live, "comrade" Neutral? In Moldavia? How many times I have traveled around Russia, I can only hear: "Stinking lumps" (the mildest version) or the Jews are being abused. And here's another question: If in Russia every third person is a communist at heart, then why is the Communist Party still not a "party of power"? there are no muzzles of my size))) They are sold only for Bolshevik snouts.)))
        1. zczczc
          0
          13 September 2011 18: 08
          Pay attention - he wrote about Caucasians literally, but he was scared about Jews! Nazi is a wimp in addition to everything, it turns out :)))
          1. 0
            13 September 2011 23: 02
            Well, if you delve into the story that he loves so much, then you can and remember who actually ran it all ... Who bark at the owner? Only a careless dog.
            1. zczczc
              +1
              14 September 2011 00: 47
              So he does not know that this is his master. He is a terrible enemy in words. And the owner is glad that he is sowing hostility within the peoples.
            2. Aktium
              -2
              14 September 2011 01: 21
              The Banshees were drawn to philosophy again. Or are you a supporter of Klimov’s theory?
          2. Aktium
            -2
            14 September 2011 01: 04
            zszszs - if you like it when Jews are called Jewy Guy, I can give you such pleasure. Or are you just provoking me? smile
            1. zczczc
              0
              14 September 2011 01: 19
              No, it's just an indicator. If in one phrase the relation is equidistant in meaning, but not in form, then this makes you think.

              Once again I want to convey to you the thought - when you scold the communist patriots, then you work just for the Zionists, because only it is beneficial for them.
              1. Mesniy
                -1
                14 September 2011 20: 19
                Yes, initially the whole Bolshevik bastard was entirely Jews! Why laugh? All the commissars are Jews. That is Zionists. They showed themselves like that
        2. ytqnhfk
          0
          15 September 2011 15: 36
          SIZE can be seen very small like a pug, and barks it is also stupid and disgusting !!!
          1. Aktium
            0
            15 September 2011 23: 57
            Neutral, you apparently have a LARGE body mass does not correspond to the mass of the brain. Like a diplodocus.
  11. Gur
    +3
    12 September 2011 08: 13
    They climbed out the vyperdysh Novodvorskaya, with brains stitched by the State Department, well, how can you not agree with an excerpt from an anecdote - "well, you must have shot the wrong ones. And for sure the Hohloaria who read "Main Kampf" Fucked up .. I agree .. yes they are to blame for becoming kind, we forgive everyone and everything .. but it was necessary to press the nail like black-brown bugs. Now we get what we get .. By dug up .. these are the grandfather's headbands with the inscription "Policai" and well, blessing .. now at least they cannot be reached. But believe me, we’ll reach out, I’ll get my grandfather’s budenovka from the closet .. and it will be for you and "To each his own" and "Who does not work, he does not eat"
    1. Aktium
      -7
      12 September 2011 22: 22
      You, "comrade", will first learn to write correctly, and then get into an adult conversation. And, by the way, I advise you to read "Mein Kampf". Maybe you will understand life correctly. And you know that the so-called "budenovka" was designed by the Russian artist Vasnetsov in 1914 and they were called then "heroes"? Krasnopuzye, as always, adapted it for themselves.
      Yes, one more thing. GUR, "budenovka from the closet" won't scare me.
      1. Gur
        0
        13 September 2011 08: 22
        Well, you are not the only "Reichsleiter" .. competent .. and about budenovka and leather jackets, we know .. who and what and how it was done. "Krasnopuzye" did the right thing that they adapted for themselves .. and we will adapt for ourselves. Do not hesitate, and as you can see, you are no stranger to .. put up. And as for literacy, it's a military-telegraphic habit .. it's not grammar that is needed, but meaning. So how old are you ?? And better read the results of the Newrbury court, for those who read "Main Kampf" and not only .. walk through Russia, mother, there are many such admirers left there.
        1. Aktium
          -3
          13 September 2011 17: 12
          Krasnopuzykh is lying around more. And at the expense of: "and we will adapt for ourselves" - zaetes to swallow dust, "comrades". Your place is in the historical garbage. Clowns in "budenovki".
          1. 0
            13 September 2011 23: 03
            Perhaps our place is there, but for now it is here. but where are all your black and brown?
            1. Aktium
              -1
              14 September 2011 01: 23
              Banshees, black and brown, are yours. Ours are white.
          2. Gur
            +1
            14 September 2011 11: 25
            Fie on you three times ... We beat, beat and we will beat .. because the truth is always on our side. And it's better to be a "clown" in a "budenovka" than a prostitute with a sleeve. As for the dust, I think so .. that when it comes down to it you will flee to your breadwinner .. with one boob. )))
            1. Aktium
              0
              16 September 2011 00: 00
              Trotsky, the creator of the Red Army, was a prostitute. Have you forgotten the famous expression? I wonder who you beat? And what is your truth? And suck your boobs yourself. Have your own demon Baphomet.
        2. oper66
          +1
          14 September 2011 04: 10
          it’s a pity they’ll hurt the guy somewhere, but it’s a pity ...........? may God grant him health and lethargy between his legs so that such Russian Land does not wear
          1. Aktium
            0
            16 September 2011 00: 02
            Oper, you, too, can be classified as perverts. Something your conversations all around assholes and members are spinning.
    2. Mesniy
      -5
      13 September 2011 12: 09
      and you didn’t have a Chekist leather jacket, the last communal bully? By the way, they also did it for motorcycle units of the RUSSIAN ARMY, but looters komunyaki pushed for themselves all.
      1. 0
        13 September 2011 23: 04
        You envy - envy silently!
      2. Gur
        +1
        14 September 2011 11: 29
        Well, yes, an unfortunate miscarriage by a fascist slut, and even a grandfather Mauser with serifs ... when in the Cheka, the world cleared of such scum.
        1. Aktium
          0
          16 September 2011 00: 06
          Gur, "Mauser" is a German pistol. But it would be so interesting to see: in Budenovka and with a Mauser (I wonder where the serifs came from on the metal handle - or did your grandfather run with a Mauser carbine?)
  12. +3
    12 September 2011 10: 57
    Surprisingly, here on the site it is apparently plastered with something for the crap audience. Judging by the ratings, they don’t like them here, but they still fly like flies.
  13. dmb
    +1
    12 September 2011 14: 54
    I wanted to make it a rule not to enter into discussions with the "locals", because you can talk with people who want to listen to the interlocutor, even if they have a different opinion. But it doesn't work. The topic is too sore. After all, the aforementioned public is trying to trample all of us into the mud, regardless of nationality or beliefs. On the one hand, this once again speaks of the value of their "democratic" views. But they insult the memory of my deceased grandfather and millions of others who perished. And even tolerant Americans would have blown their head off for such things. From such gentlemen, the Germans formed their police and they cannot be called traitors.
    1. Aktium
      -4
      12 September 2011 22: 30
      From people like you, dmb, "comrades" commissars, Pavlikov Morozov and Arkashek Golikovs (Gaidarov) were formed. By the way, I regret that your grandfather died (if this is really so). He would put your brain in place.
  14. Priest
    0
    12 September 2011 22: 25
    Not when, not what will not be counted, and even more so, done - until then (while picking the veterans in their own apartment from the ice - (on the territory of Russia) the authorities will deal with "international affairs".
    The opinion of foreign "persons" is more important than the internal order.
  15. Aktium
    -6
    12 September 2011 22: 29
    From people like you, dmb, "comrades" commissars, Pavlikov Morozov and Arkashek Golikovs (Gaidarov) were formed. By the way, I regret that your grandfather died (if this is really so). He would put your brain in place.
    1. dmb
      0
      13 September 2011 10: 06
      Well, not for you to judge how my grandfather acted. I know better.
      1. oper66
        +2
        14 September 2011 02: 48
        DEAR DMB, do not pay attention to this young woman from Izhevsk that he knows what he understands and you can see relatives in the past, shells gave the Hans their time now to caress the memory, by which he doesn’t say it himself but reproduces what his elders put into it comrades, or it’s just that I’m ashamed that such semiconductors live in such a city on the territory of our Motherland 5 no 6 columns do not pay attention their comments just need to be left without reviews they like masochists get high from the minusovka he got a cue out of topic for his stupidity minded here he bit and I think that his writings still do not coincide with his real perception of reality. Regards oper66
        1. Aktium
          0
          16 September 2011 00: 08
          The sixth column is what? Martians? If I am a semiconductor, then you are a conductor?
  16. +3
    12 September 2011 22: 49
    It is great! It can poison everything even in a vacuum! It considers itself clever and adult, it is necessary ...

    But after all, it’s just a young Troll girl who knows how to quickly poke keys, and who considers himself smarter than others.
    Aktium, honey, you were asleep. I missed something, I confess, but here are your repeated statements about your adulthood "Do not get involved in adult conversations", "I am older and smarter" - go to any forum for youngsters like games, there are such shares - a hundred ruble.

    Picked up on the Internet tops and builds himself clever. And in fact - a jerk. And the main puncture is not even in slang. Although this is enough. The main puncture in relation to memory. For only vypolzok from the generation of thugs can write in the topic about the blockade, the way it did. Phenomenon. Being. Anyone from my generation treats those events with due respect. as if he did not belong to the power / regime.

    Ignore it, and be done with it.

    And I then decided by foolishness to argue with him.
    1. Aktium
      -4
      13 September 2011 17: 20
      The banshee is not druzhit with logic. The Banshee's rudeness still creeps out of all the slots. He did not like slang .... You would have looked at your door slang from the outside .... Very "impressive". "Crawling out of the generation of scumbags" - what a brilliant term.))) Are you by any chance a linguist by profession?
      And one more thing: you still decide who I am - a phenomenon or creature. But somehow it is not clear.
      1. zczczc
        0
        13 September 2011 18: 28
        Puppet. In the hands of suckers. They peppered with false teachings, and burst you.

        "Two higher educations, one of them military" - oga, in whose army is the military?
        1. 0
          13 September 2011 23: 06
          Yes, he has no higher, nonsense it. He can write here anything, check it out in any way ... so what the fuck ...

          You are a creature.
          1. Aktium
            -2
            14 September 2011 01: 33
            Thanks for the clarification. And then I was already scared.))) I think, therefore I exist.
        2. Aktium
          -2
          14 September 2011 01: 30
          The familiar term is "false teaching." You, zszszs political instructor did not work by chance?
          And you express yourself as a rural proletarian who did not have enough brews.
          Can you tell me where I studied and in what years?
  17. Priest
    0
    12 September 2011 23: 42
    Banshee,
    Be quiet, be quiet, - loyalty, - laughing everyone understands everything laughing
    1. +2
      13 September 2011 23: 08
      Good. Only what loyalty to this can be? No, democracy and equality is certainly good, but up to certain limits. For chaos goes further.
      1. alnikar
        +1
        13 September 2011 23: 33
        Banshee,
        You know Banshee, a university lecturer in geopolitics told us that "demos" in Greek is not a people, but a "crowd", therefore "democracy" is not "the rule of the people", but "the rule of the crowd", i.e. people who do not think, but act like a herd .. which, in principle, we observe in the world.
        And plus loyalty, the problem of the world is that he forgot - there is no gray as they are trying to justify various perversions, there is only white and black, gray is a mistake leading the whole world into the abyss.
        And yet, about Aktium, this is his opinion, his deeds, and do not react to his insults. Moreover, as psychologists say, "when a person switches to insult and screams he no longer has arguments."
        1. 0
          15 September 2011 15: 11
          Well, my arguments are not over yet ...
          But above, I wrote that all. Let him.
  18. ytqnhfk
    +2
    13 September 2011 13: 10
    At the expense of Aktsium and his age. If not a youngster by age, then by brain and reason, reasoning with the people and the country, it’s exactly a TABY with zombie convolutions (ALL are red bad komunyaki).
    1. Aktium
      -6
      13 September 2011 17: 28
      Quite right, "comrade" Neutral. The Reds are all bad. Even the "honest patriots", because they followed the lead of the villains. Consequently, the "brains" (another brilliant expression - I'm delighted) are also bad. And at the expense of my attitude to the people and the country - not your business, actually. You and your "comrades" have a country and people only in the image of a "country of the Soviet and Soviet people." And this is only 73 years and months. A colossus with feet of clay is a correct definition.
      1. +1
        13 September 2011 18: 05
        Aktsium, but the fact remains, the winners were WE, and not you like you.
        And this fact will remain for centuries in the history of mankind.
        Unfortunately, educational institutions including and the higher ones, which you supposedly would have finished neither mind, nor conscience add, but only give certain knowledge. Your image of this is a very vivid confirmation.
        If you are from a family of underelicated warriors of the SS division "Galicia", say so. Everything falls into place.
        1. Aktium
          0
          16 September 2011 00: 13
          Coalition won. Soglasen. Only herself happily izdohla. Unfortunately, I have no relatives who fought in the SS division "Galicia", you know too far.
      2. ytqnhfk
        0
        15 September 2011 15: 23
        Making your fictitious statements does not mean writing facts "not a comrade" you are ours. MY concept of seeing MY COUNTRY naamnogo "deeper" and on the timeline begins with an earlier segment of history. YOU ARE YOUNG and never dreamed of my perception of the LAND where I live !!!
        1. Aktium
          0
          16 September 2011 00: 14
          Yes. "Deeper and wider." Your concept, Neutral, apparently fits into one phrase: "The USSR is the homeland of mammoths."
      3. ytqnhfk
        0
        15 September 2011 15: 38
        Making your fictitious statements does not mean writing facts "not a comrade" you are ours. MY concept of seeing MY COUNTRY naamnogo "deeper" and on the timeline begins with an earlier segment of history. YOU ARE YOUNG and never dreamed of my perception of the LAND where I live !!!
    2. +1
      13 September 2011 22: 59
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      it’s like a Nashi or junior guard.
      1. zczczc
        +1
        14 September 2011 00: 49
        Among the Nashi, there are no ideological ones at all, there relations are purely money-goods. You have to yell somewhere - pay.
      2. oper66
        +2
        14 September 2011 02: 57
        I think it’s just a stupid skin that has never taken part in the gameplay but stood on the sidelines in a pocket stinging from its communion with the community
        1. zczczc
          0
          14 September 2011 03: 26
          Well, he actually knows some factology, albeit fragmentarily, but with the analytical apparatus of the problem. This is treated, as I have already said, by immersion in reality - someone needs to place a home yard with a broom instead of a guest worker, and someone needs to get the guys out of their surroundings. The feeling of the fatherland is quite concrete and unambiguous - one has only to do something for him, as everything falls into place.
  19. 0
    13 September 2011 21: 45
    I wonder how negative you can grow. to the marshal? not easier to ban?
    1. alnikar
      0
      13 September 2011 23: 24
      Ban the bottom, because we have "freedom of speech" smile
      1. 0
        13 September 2011 23: 32
        then we are waiting for new generalsimuses from the negatives ... wink But is it something they are slowly growing, or are the cons considered otherwise? in theory, they should already be majors, no less ...
        1. alnikar
          0
          13 September 2011 23: 43
          You know, Crazy, as they say, "truth is born in a dispute", it's good that there are many opinions, maybe we can All Together we can build a Normal World, in some ways they are wrong and one-sided, in some other way, but to see something new, it is necessary to look from the outside.
          1. oper66
            +4
            14 September 2011 00: 02
            you know, you can only look from the side with which these respected opponents do not have a dispute with us, do not accept any arguments or facts, they are obstinately aimed at denying the denial of everything -NIGILISTS they are lost not for society they have lost themselves because they have no understanding of the meaning of their existence our society the society does not accept them, they don’t accept them, and they pour poison on everything and everything, but it’s worse for them only because they are outcasts –SUTERS among ALL disputes with them are useless; they are dead to the perception of the living world surrounding them and live by the HIMERA
            1. Aktium
              0
              16 September 2011 00: 16
              You have no facts - only emotions.
      2. oper66
        +1
        14 September 2011 03: 00
        here it is, what a blunder this freedom of speech is like from under the fence av-av, but at least they don’t bite them for it +
    2. zczczc
      0
      14 September 2011 00: 50
      PSih2097, "Local" -5000, and he got stuck on the sergeant.
      1. Mesniy
        -3
        14 September 2011 20: 34
        Well, it turns out the bell rang, TROUBLE! wink
        1. Mesniy
          0
          15 September 2011 21: 19
          Oops! What is this title? Enlighten pliz!
          1. 0
            15 September 2011 21: 33
            Or ensign or vice admiral ... HZ
          2. Aktium
            0
            16 September 2011 00: 18
            Mesniy, this seems to be our "negative balance" affects. It looks like we were included in the "enemy army". wink
        2. 0
          16 September 2011 00: 25
          Mesniy, I’ve thrown 2 times into 0, but you managed to fly into such minuses in a day ... wink you have the biggest disadvantage on the site :-) and epaulets something like pirate - like? fellow
          1. Mesniy
            0
            17 September 2011 00: 47
            Go, they will be afraid! wink
          2. zczczc
            0
            17 September 2011 00: 49
            fantastBut what, the rating has a limit? Well, let it decrease ...
  20. oper66
    +2
    14 September 2011 00: 55
    Dear, why such a cry into the void, what is the argument? really, some people have doubts about the correctness of the VICTORY over fascism, or, as the Aktsium writes, National Socialism, which drowned saunas not with firewood but with bodies like us. Are we all so lost the concept of good and evil that we are trying to challenge the victory over the moral superiority of one over the other only on a racial basis, and not on personal achievements, such as in sports, if those who do not stop for that amount of grief and despair that suffered we are the previous generation, I remember how my grandmother looked until the last days of my missing brother who went to the front at 41 and my grandfather all wounded had orders of glory, I remember the story of women Ira how they drank cow urine from the hoof in the heat because the guards did not let the oustashi go to the well in the heat of work, they laughed and mocked, this is not a difference in the ethnicity of those who waged that war, the commanders and ordinary understood and knew what they were doing, they reveled in their beast ....... no word. So how can we argue who komunyaka who fist people stood up to defend their homeland the parents of the wives of the children they sacrificed themselves for the sake of loved ones because they knew that if they did not prevent this their relatives would die. What a conscience can be for those who so cheat on the exploits of those who have gone through something that we never dreamed of. I myself have the experience of fighting 3.g7m, in general I saw a lot of spoiling the skin itself, but those who crushed that brown scum have done such that we are small children in front of them. Dear, I suggest you stop the useless provocative debate that allows fascism to sprout and just give everyone their recognition of the achievement to those who gave us the opportunity to just be born into this world free people
    1. -3
      14 September 2011 03: 38
      The great feat of the Russian and fraternal peoples, no one denies, the context of the article implies "why he is forgotten" and "who is to blame for this." And the spectrum of the discussion went down to communist propaganda, most of the participants in the discussion did not realize that it was the communists who brought them to the status quo.
    2. Mesniy
      -3
      14 September 2011 20: 42
      And here, in my opinion, no one expressed doubts about the correctness of the victory over fascism. It's about the need to defeat to the end (he can barely breathe) his twin brother, communism.
      1. 0
        15 September 2011 15: 13
        Who about what, and lousy everything about the bath ...
  21. zczczc
    +4
    14 September 2011 01: 26
    And I think that if the topic of the article caused such a heated discussion, then the country has a future. This means that we have what we value and are not going to compromise on some issues. And this is good.

    As for the Aktsium - if he is young, then in case of war, after the first battle, he will understand everything himself. And it’s good that he is violent - it will be cooler than us to defend our fatherland. But this is if young.
  22. zczczc
    +1
    14 September 2011 03: 32
    Aktsium, I have a suggestion - write an article about what excites you - about the fatherland, communists, nationalists, fascists, liberals, etc. Properly so, put everything on the shelves and see what happens. Re-read only necessarily, then edit and publish. I think you yourself will understand the absurdity of half of your statements, and another half will tell you readers.
    1. Aktium
      0
      16 September 2011 00: 21
      I’ll surely write, sszzss. I will choose and write time. I regard the last remark as a joke.
      1. zczczc
        0
        17 September 2011 00: 49
        Aktium, wait, sir.
  23. Priest
    0
    15 September 2011 11: 11
    Sorry old fool recourse here under all shoulder straps of different affiliations - is this such a thing? or are service people giving their resume so?
    And yet - well, this is so - so as not to sort things out, but on the topic your thoughts based on (based on) facts.
    I looked at your characteristics (a private matter - if it is more convenient) - oh, which ones are not white and not fluffy. So loyalty and only loyalty.
    1. 0
      15 September 2011 13: 19
      What did you want to say ??
  24. Priest
    0
    15 September 2011 13: 36

    if the question is for me, then everything is utterly said (there are no other options for conveying thoughts).
    1. Aktium
      0
      16 September 2011 00: 23
      Priest, it is HERE such titles are given. The more you write, the faster you will advance in "service".
  25. Patriot
    0
    15 September 2011 17: 19
    By the way. FRIENDS,
    Well, how do you Pindos? Well done !!! At the beginning of this, SNV-3 was ratified with a dimple iPod. And just the other day we signed an agreement on the installation of missile defense systems in Romania and Turkey. So keep the liberals Dima and Vova. Keep it up. I think that if we fulfill all the conditions under START-3, then the Americans will no longer need START-4,5 ,,, and so they squeezed us into a hard bag. And, our -removed- even the Mace cannot be lifted into the air. GUYS. WE ARE IN A DEEP ASS!
    1. 0
      15 September 2011 18: 08
      Will you always duplicate in any topic?
      1. Aktium
        -1
        16 September 2011 00: 25
        The man is worried. He is worried. He wants to discuss the issue. And you shut his mouth.
        Yes, Patriot, in the deep. And it will be even deeper. At least another 20 years, at least.
  26. Priest
    +1
    15 September 2011 19: 55
    And the topic is what - (how to remain a winner?) - I think everyone remembers the anniversary of the "Victory Day" tops - (unless of course you can call it that) - we arrived in the Merciers - this is the winner country lol "teddy bear" looked into the sky with a sweet smile (the technique of the umpteenth time) - nothing new. (I will not list everything) - everyone has eyes (I would like to believe in it).
    If everything is still being discussed - (it means they don't visit "funnels" at night).
  27. Aktium
    0
    16 September 2011 00: 27
    Last seen parade? We are in kindergarten and even better performances were arranged on February 23rd. And Mr. President and Mr. Prime Minister who were like? Guess from three times.
    1. Sanzyro
      +2
      16 September 2011 20: 26
      I didn’t expect you to make your own! It would seem that your views are shared. The attitude is similar. What do you want? I don’t contradict myself ...
      1. Aktium
        0
        16 September 2011 21: 21
        So it’s not my views that are pleasing to you. But your last followers of the Soviet era, Communist Democrats.
      2. Mesniy
        -1
        17 September 2011 00: 49
        Yes, the whole circus with "victory" is needed by the authorities, and you sing along with it, think about it yourself.