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Arms exhibition in Nizhny Tagil - a demonstration of the stagnation of the industry?

Arms exhibition in Nizhny Tagil - a demonstration of the stagnation of the industry?



These days, at one of the Ural polygons near Nizhny Tagil, the 8 International Armaments Exhibition is taking place. An incalculable number of releases were issued for this exhibition, a great many presentations were prepared, and indeed there was a lot of talk about the exhibition as about something grandiose. Literally, through every word in those mass media that published preliminary data on the preparation for the exhibition, the notion of “innovative” has flashed on the teeth in recent years. Apparently, the word “new” no longer suits our gunsmiths, and not only gunsmiths, therefore, in order to attract mass attention, it was necessary to invent something “such”.

However, with all due respect to the ongoing, as we are assured, modernization of the armed forces, the weapons that are being prepared for a demonstration in Nizhny Tagil can hardly be called innovative. Of course, some samples of armored vehicles will be presented at the Ural EXPO, for example, the modernized T-90S - T-90AM tank, as well as BMPT (Support Fighting Vehicle Tanks) "Terminator", which can be called new, but the vast majority of military equipment is far from innovative. This is either what everyone has already seen for at least the last 8-12 years, or a small, as it is fashionable to say, “upgrade” of what has already proved itself. In this connection, what is the situation associated with the stagnation in the production of new land weapons?

One of the answers to this question can be what has been going on for the past several years: the customer cannot decide on the equipment he needs. In this case, the contractor wants to get for the execution of the order much more than what this very customer can offer him. Again, it turns out that "our desires do not coincide with our own capabilities." Well, how is the leadership of the defense ministry going to solve this difficult task? So far, the high ranks take a somewhat expectant position, but no one seems ready to take clear and verified decisions.

There is, by the way, another reason that is an obstacle to the modernization of this industry. It lies in the fact that according to the results of the global monitoring of the market for sales of armored vehicles, an unusual pattern has been revealed. It turns out that more than 80% of all world incomes received on the respective transactions relate to the secondary market. In other words, there are many people in the world who want to buy the same used T-80 and T-90 tanks, or the one that has been in the hangar for 10 for years and has not been fully exploited. Perhaps this suggests that the state of modern warfare as self-regulation no longer represents massive armored vehicles as the main means of achieving military objectives.

If we look at the latest world conflicts, one of which is the war in Libya, then it turns out that with the help of armored vehicles only the side of Colonel Gaddafi fought. And this armor was still of Soviet production. After the airstrike from the armored cars there were piles of burnt metal. Is the world really at a new military level? storieswhen tanks and other ground armored vehicles gradually fade into the background. The situation in Afghanistan also confirms such thoughts. American troops are no longer trying to risk, moving in organized columns of armored vehicles on a mountainous landscape. Today, such movement can be called a real suicide. After all, any tank or armored personnel carrier will always have its own ATGM that threatens the existence of both the armored vehicle itself and its crew.

Surprisingly, a few years ago, the idea of ​​abandoning the use of tanks in the conduct of hostilities might seem strange. Today, the situation is stubbornly moving in this direction.

However, the Nizhny Tagil arms exhibition for many professionals remains very attractive. But this attractiveness is more and more similar to the interest in the show itself, and not in the technical samples presented on this show. The organizers of the same 8-th Expo show promise. Now, above the test site will patrol the Russian "drone", which will be able to transmit a picture of the conduct of a demonstration battle on special monitors. This will allow you to track the degree of accuracy of the shot, the maneuverability of the tank in certain areas of the landfill under intensive shelling. In general, for lovers of military "action" an exhibition of weapons in Nizhny Tagil is a suitable option. Well, for experts, the exhibition is rather a demonstration of stagnation in the field of the development of ground weapons.

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  1. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 9 September 2011 08: 38 New
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    Heretical article
  2. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 9 September 2011 08: 41 New
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    And "at the entrance" are no longer tanks and humanoid robots go right?
  3. Owl
    Owl 9 September 2011 09: 18 New
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    Very interesting view of the back of the tower.
    1. Mr. Truth
      Mr. Truth 9 September 2011 09: 58 New
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      Yeah, the tower is interesting, pay attention to the size of the armor.
    2. Superduck
      Superduck 9 September 2011 23: 05 New
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      10 shells there
  4. abc4free
    abc4free 9 September 2011 09: 19 New
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    IMHO, depending on the task, various types of troops are required, as well as tanks and artillery and infantry, will be in service for a long time to come.
  5. Zhylan
    Zhylan 9 September 2011 10: 28 New
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    The author is poorly versed in matters of modern combat.
  6. svvaulsh
    svvaulsh 9 September 2011 10: 35 New
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    Quote: Zhylan
    T-72 tanks "resisted" Tomahawk missiles



    And pirate boats are opposed by the AUG, which do not leave anything at all from them.
  7. Varnaga 9 September 2011 10: 39 New
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    Extremely illiterate article. By the way, how is it with the "stagnation" of our Western friends?
  8. t-95
    t-95 9 September 2011 11: 42 New
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    the strangest thing is that the author of this article does not even consider the possibility of the other side having stronger air forces and air defense, then NATO will enter on the ground. And then what? and then the T-90 AM and the TERMINATOR, take care and the same author will write where they looked
  9. makrus
    makrus 9 September 2011 13: 50 New
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    The article sucks, I would like to read about the exhibits and some kind of interview with the developers, and then the mess is solid, NATO also got it
    1. Smirnov Vadim 9 September 2011 13: 56 New
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      Pro development will be later material, too early, there is no info
  10. brodiaga78
    brodiaga78 9 September 2011 15: 26 New
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    author deuce, Terminator - BMPT (Tank Support Fighting Vehicle)
  11. MaxArt
    MaxArt 9 September 2011 16: 12 New
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    If you are interested in a war using technology, a war in Iraq is perfect. Not so long ago it was!

    And new developments are already on their way, wait a couple of years, and the west will begin to smoke nervously. In this I remain optimistic.
    1. Zlyden.Zlo 23 September 2011 02: 42 New
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      I would like to believe
  12. jamert
    jamert 9 September 2011 19: 19 New
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    If we look at the latest world conflicts, one of which is the war in Libya, it turns out that with the help of armored vehicles only the side of Colonel Gaddafi fought.


    . The rebels also had equipment. Mostly trophy.
  13. brodiaga78
    brodiaga78 9 September 2011 23: 10 New
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    my kament was removed, the article was corrected ... some shkolota
  14. datur 10 September 2011 00: 16 New
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    one might think in the West that neither exhibition is entirely revolutionary innovations — all the same — a profound modernization of everything.
  15. Rustam 10 September 2011 00: 58 New
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    looked today sketchy new t-90am

    Well, in vain Popovkin at one time crowbar ridges of the military-industrial complex require a thorough modernization of the eighty

    1-appeared steering wheel instead of levers is good
    2-machine gun module-tanker does not need to get out and fall under fire
    3-condo is also a plus
    4-speed automatic
    5-new tower, systems, guidance, armor, etc.

    can if you push and push
    You never know what you can do till you try

    yes for this alone and thanks to Serdyuk and Popovkin, at least they moved
    1. MaxArt
      MaxArt 10 September 2011 02: 39 New
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      Rustam, I don’t know what industry you work in, but I am in the peace-defense industry. And I can clearly see why the level of our achievements does not take off as expected. It’s not that they “moved” or spilled. Stupidly they don’t pay money, or pay a penny, only enthusiasts and people work “for the idea”, and young people don’t come to the industry at all, no prospects are visible! "if you push and push" - this is an idiotic method! Many experimental design bureaus make at their own expense, invent, twist, just not to go broke and not be privatized in the end, just to interest something. We are not financing new developments now, not a fig!
      1. Varnaga 10 September 2011 08: 32 New
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        Wow, but in my native NGO the opposite is true. I can even name the topic that our department is working on "developing promising wheeled combat platforms of the Ground Forces." Excellent financing, constant purchase of new equipment, machines, etc. Good salary, in our city few people pay that. Heading for rejuvenation of staff. We cooperate with a neighboring university, both in terms of advanced training, and in terms of the fact that students are hired.
        1. MaxArt
          MaxArt 10 September 2011 16: 38 New
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          I'm moving to work for you! And no nails. The situation that I am talking about has developed in many design bureaus. Tupolev, Almaz-Antey, Lavochkin ... I am glad that you have a different way, there is reason for optimism.
        2. makrus
          makrus 10 September 2011 17: 01 New
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          Quote: Varnaga
          I can even name the topic that our department is working on "developing promising wheeled combat platforms of the Ground Forces."

          It is possible in more detail, it is very interesting where we will go from the old man BTR 80. If not difficult.
          1. Rustam 10 September 2011 20: 23 New
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            It is possible in more detail, it is very interesting where we will go from the old man BTR 80
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            I am also very worried about the BTR-80, for its time it was good, BUT now in the yard in 2011 and the modernization of the BTR-80 in the BTR-82 is the limit (improved as we could) for mine protection, there are no words (it just does not exist, and inside cramped)
            The liner project has been around since 2009, but there is no interesting news for us
            (I know for sure one thing, that the requirement of the mines of defense is the landing of assault through the ass, which is why the BTR-90 never went into production)
            we also know that they are eyeing German (BOXER) and Italian fresia

            Tell us more about the trend.
            1. Varnaga 12 September 2011 06: 56 New
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              These trends can be judged by these R&D (actually our topic is under the first lot):
              http://www.gostorgi.ru/2008/7/2008-01-21/7-107684766.xml
  16. - = 999 = -
    - = 999 = - 10 September 2011 03: 05 New
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    YES NOT PLEASANT.
  17. Ivan Tarasov 13 September 2011 20: 37 New
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    It is necessary to change the stereotypes of the approach to designing MBT.
    The vector for strengthening weapons pleases (T-95 152mm).
    However, the T-95 concept is not entirely true.
    Based on the mass of 55t., It will be problematic to find the optimal parameter in the armament-defense ratio, superior to Western analogues.
    It is necessary to switch to a qualitatively new weight parameter.
    Namely, tanks weighing 70 tons can be considered promising for equipping a 152mm gun.
    What can be offered?
    First thing;
    Urgently develop a 1800 hp diesel
    Under the mass of 70 tons to adjust the parameters of protection and armament, squeezing everything possible.
    As a result, we get MBT, superior in armament and protection to western counterparts by 50 percent.
    Second;
    To develop a new BMP armed with a 57mm machine gun, with a mass of 60-65t (landing 9 people).
    Third:
    Develop a wheeled armored personnel carrier 8x8 weighing 25 tons (landing 9 people) diesel 600 hp
    Fourth;
    Army, armored wheeled transport platform
    8x8, maximum weight 25t., Load capacity 10t (capacity 20 people).
  18. petor41
    petor41 13 September 2011 21: 13 New
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    I've been to this exhibition, and I want to say that it really became slop! Most manufacturers do not go to it, and the equipment was shown the same as ten years ago!
  19. Mad robot
    Mad robot 25 December 2011 19: 10 New
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    How many such "specialists" have already been burying, tanks, probably already from the 60s, about 50 years old, but tanks are fighting against such "specialists" for evil. I want to say to this “specialist" that tanks operate effectively only with the support of aviation and air defense (this rule applies with WWII), so Gaddafi was not able to use them. In addition, the author’s criticism is incomprehensible to me, today, even in the West, nothing fundamentally new has been developed, but a continuous deep modernization of technology. Or did the author count on seeing huge humanoid robots? One can see such advisers and sit next to Serdyukov !!!
  20. Gonoriy 11 February 2013 00: 43 New
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    But the Americans, too, were not far from their abrams. So what's the stagnation?