70 years ago the fascist blockade of Leningrad began

An unparalleled feat in stories humanity became the Leningrad blockade, which began on this day 70 years ago. 8 September 1941 around the city closed the ring of German troops.

The siren signals, 3740 once sounded during the siege, will be heard again today in St. Petersburg, forcing the passers-by to wince and the veterans to cry. This is how the Leningrad Day of Remembrance and Grief will begin.

Wreaths will be laid at the graves of residents and soldiers-defenders of the city. In the Peter and Paul Fortress, the 7, Leningradskaya, Dmitry Shostakovich symphony will be played and newsreels will be shown. In the city, an action will start on the compilation of the “People’s Book of Memory” - a collection of memoirs of the blockade.

The schoolgirl Tanya Savicheva, whose blockade diary is known to the whole world, became a symbol of the city that had not surrendered. At the school where she studied, a museum will be opened and a youth action of memory will be held, ITAR-TASS reports.

The siege of Leningrad lasted until January 27 1944. During this time, about 800 thousands of people died from hunger, cold and bombing. During the defense and liberation of the city, 2 million soldiers were killed.

Comments

[zczczc]

Yes, let's not forget it guys.
Own weakness is punishable!

[Aktium]

Memory of the Bolshevik sloppiness and illiteracy. Although why an unparalleled feat in the history of mankind? We love to dramatize and exaggerate everything. Roman troops besieged Carthage for three years. Only nobody came to the aid of the Carthaginians. Carthage was destroyed. And even the place where it stood was cursed by the Romans. Smolensk never surrendered to the troops of Stephen Batory and fought back with his own forces. And Kozelsk, "the evil city"? A feat worthy of Russian Glory and Memory for centuries.
So there were cooler heroes and exploits. By the way, Sevastopol still forgot to mention - in the Crimean campaign. Many examples in human history.

[Sanzyro]

They were cooler, so ... It's cool to talk like that in isolation from reality, at a computer, booty on a chair ... You should go there! Eat wallpaper glue! On the belly, I would crawl to "their" boys, who are not slovens - no. Competent German guys shelling this city - are they prettier to you? The concept of a feat is when you have a bazooka and you are unarmed, right ?? And this, well, really, what's wrong with that ... And you think about it! They did not rush to surrender in a crowd, did not crawl for mercy! We knew for sure that there was an enemy! And even if they were not military, they had enough fortitude and confidence! The enterprises were working! And not only enterprises, the city continued to live! I don't even want to draw an analogy, with the current "wise connoisseurs" of history ... They would probably have met the Hans with bread and salt. I will not deliberately minus!

[Vadivak]

My mother-in-law (esesso child) is a blockade girl, she reluctantly recalls the war, only got from her that they ate mustard and when I asked why she didn’t eat it, and in 1942 they evacuated her, but it turned out that they had been sent to the nat. I’m probably a Finnish, and her father, a Finn, of course (a communist) fought at the space station at that time, came home, and there nobody has recognized her blockade so far, which staff scum wrote that she was evacuated from a non-existent non-existent, although in Leningradskaya areas of

[Aktium]

Regarding "to talk in isolation from reality, at the computer, booty on a chair" - this is you, apparently about yourself, "comrade". Can you give the facts of the reasons for the blockade? Or no arguments work for you, except for the automatic fire to the head? Where did you see bazookas from German soldiers? More than half of the Wehrmacht were armed with carbines and rifles. Erase more Soviet films in the zomboyaschik - they will not show you that (maybe you will even see flying saucers in service with the Luftwaffe). "Don't rush to surrender in a crowd." You would have looked at the statistics. For a start. Four million prisoners in the first three months of the war - this is not a "crowd"? In principle, you can eat wallpaper glue (then), since it was made on the basis of starch (the same mashed potatoes are modern - almost).
But you jump on the mountains - crawl 38 days without grub and every day under bullets. Fucking patriot. I'll see what songs will sound in my head later. Yes, I know the story. And I am proud of it. Unlike "Ivanov Nameless". If for you the defense of Sevastopol in the Crimean campaign and everything else, about which I wrote above an empty phrase, then you really do not see beyond your nose. people like you, the whole story begins in 1917. "Ardent revolutionaries, loyal Leninists." Did your great-grandfather accidentally serve in the Cheka, young man?
Yes. And one more thing. I don’t rest against any disadvantages. I express my point of view and give facts. If this helps someone to figure it out, I’ll be glad. So you can minus 100 times a day.
Thank you for attention.

[Sanzyro]

All clear. A convinced "history expert". I told you about people, and you told me statistics ... What the hell does it matter what the Germans were armed with? Don't you understand the irony ?? Well, if you don't understand such elementary things, then wallpaper glue is in the order of things for you! This is the date when the blockade began! And what does Sevastopol and the Crimean campaign have to do with it ?? The facts, you see ... The facts are such that there is a formation of such "historians" who know everything about the blockade, about millions of surrenders and in the past of their country they see only darkness and filth. The 17th Cheka is also, by the way, our past! Yes, but he doesn't exist for you? I wonder when does your Russia begin? From Yeltsin's nineties or from Gorbachev's eighties? And you did not set out the facts (here and without you, people are literate), but spat on the unparalleled tragic and heroic events of our country!

[Aktium]

You would have learned to talk to begin with, "tovarisch" Sanziro, otherwise you behave like a proletarian criminal of the 20s. However, there is enough of such boor on the Internet. The gateway rushes from all the cracks.
Personally, I see dirt and darkness only in people like you. It was these who led the "literate" people and brought Russia to the "cancer situation" in which it is now. By the way, I think in the 30s, you would threatened "purge". It was these "fiery fighters" who were sent to the camps and put against the wall of Comrade LP Beria. and Stalin I.V.
And the history of MY Russia begins in the XNUMXth century, and in Russia from the end of the XNUMXth century.
And this is what I wanted to ask: What is heroism? The fact that General Leeb took the German troops to reorganize and the Bolsheviks had two weeks to organize the defense of the city? Or was it that in October 1941, the Leningrad Bolsheviks wanted to surrender the city to the Finns and only the arrival of a representative of the Headquarters prevented this from happening? Or heroism is when you are sitting in a trench, and comrades from the NKVD are standing behind them with a machine gun, so that you don't accidentally run? Or in "eating wallpaper glue", because there was nothing more to eat (well, except perhaps to engage in cannibalism - there were some)?
"Unparalleled tragic" .... And when the Cheka, commissars and food detachments killed Russian peasants and destroyed the best people of Russia - is it a tragedy or a "class struggle" for you?

[makrus]

funny comrade

[irony]

The history of history is different. Only a person who has studied it in the archive, according to documents, not books, can know history. Each moment of history has so many interpretations, how many people he touched. I wonder how the blockade affected you.

[Sanzyro]

How about you ?? Or do you have your own interpretation that goes against the generally accepted one? And you get pounded by this?

[Aktium]

"Conventional interpretation" - how is it? Jewish-communist or what?

[Old Cat Basilio]

Dear Aktsium, for the most part I support your views on the history of Russia, but let's not stoop to the personal insults of our opponents!

[Aktium]

I agree. This is my position in relation to the "comrade" Sanziro. For half a year I have read such comments, where outright rudeness prevails. But, in general, you are right. You shouldn't.

[Sanzyro]

Indeed, it is not necessary ... About outright rudeness - re-read your comments carefully! How is it? Did you notice anything? And as for the Jewish-communist interpretations, as soon as I hear militant nationalism, where, in principle, there is no theme of nationality, it is immediately clear what kind of "tovarisch" is writing this! There are a lot of such "glorious Russians" lately on the Internet and not only ... Russians, in fact, are not peculiar to nationalism, so it has historically developed. So, comrade Aktium, there is no need to overemphasize your historical knowledge and national identity. This is what gives you away. PS Let me tell you a secret - Russia is somewhat older than you think.

[Aktium]

There is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the mug is crooked (Russian proverb). In the words of others, like a squirrel in knots (The same thing).
The Kremlin dog is your comrade. "I’ll tell you a secret - Russia is somewhat older than you think". You can keep your secrets with you. Thought of such types as Asov, Dobroslav and Kazakov, as well as the Siberian" witch "Anastasia, you can take with you to the restroom. Nationalism is not militant, unlike communism. It either exists or it no.
You can tell about the non-peculiarity of Russian nationalism on some show. Like "To the barrier" or "Let them talk." I do not emphasize knowledge of history, but I provide facts, unlike you, who is openly engaged in verbal balancing act, and substitutes facts - speculation and emotions. "Serving with a head! - this is something new. And in what way do I give myself away? In the fact that I write what I know?"

[irony]

Sanzyro,
Sanzyro, I replied to Aktium, not to you. I do not interpret history, because I do not write textbooks. My thoughts about certain events do not become postulates. I believe that the residents of the city of Leningrad who survived the blockade are martyrs. They would all be canonized. Those, in any case, who did not lose their human faces. And she touched me, by virtue of my age, only by the stories of relatives and friends who survived her. It was enough for me to hate fascism and xenophobia, as such, indiscriminately of their foundations.
PS A familiar granny (blockade) pities the Germans who survived the capture of Berlin.
PPS Before attacking, ask who the comment is for.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Utter nonsense. Documents, too, people wrote.
The history of the siege of Leningrad was not studied in the archives, for example, but according to the stories of the only surviving relative, Alexandra Ryshardovna. She is one of 211 people, my relatives. The rest is all there. Who on Piskarevsky, and who has no grave.

[irony]

That's not what I wanted to say, but okay now. Documents are compiled, not written. Document - there is dry statistics. History ... when you start to study it at a professional level, it becomes clear that this is plasticine. You can sculpt as you want. An example of this is modern textbooks - where everything has been turned upside down in comparison with the "Soviet" times. Yes, and then many moments were rewritten for the sake of ideology, but this did not apply to the War. I was raised on the fact that Gastello is a hero. And now his feat is being laid out on the shelves. Matrosov was also demoted, and the monument in Velikiye Luki is still standing. Now they are tackling the blockade. Maybe the city's leadership does not belong to the heroes, but the residents ... I already wrote above what my opinion about them. Sorry. I did not understand it.
PS I threw the historical. Disappointed in History.

[ytqnhfk]

Reading your dispute with sanziro, I want to say that you don’t see obvious things behind your opinion. You have not obsessively humiliated the most important thing: AN ACKNOWLEDGE OF THE PEOPLE for which you are trying to screw memorable dates in other examples, but it’s about BLOCKADE and not how and at what time it’s hard again for OUR people. Well, if YOU Dear (it’s without irony) you want to remind all of us of the other deeds taking place in history, you had to do this in a different form and, with pride in your people, YOU, as I understand it, belong TO THIS people SO RESPECT ALL ITS VICTORIES LIKE LIKE DAMAGES, FOR THIS WE ARE RUSSIAN !!!

[stas]

The war that the Soviet people waged against Hitler and the countries of Europe that helped him directly and indirectly in this, in terms of scale and casualties, has never happened before and never will be.
In that war only the Russian people could defeat other peoples of the USSR, and he did it.
Therefore, comparing small wars and their episodes with the Great Patriotic War is historically not equivalent.

[Old Cat Basilio]

Take the most powerful fortress in the world? Damn, funny !!!!

[Marat]

I agree!
In order not to experience this again, we must become strong and unite. They tried to deceive us that the world had become "pink and fluffy" - but there are predators around us, no less terrible than Hitler

[Old Cat Basilio]

Hey, micromayor, caliber 406 mm, can you imagine? Is 305 mm weak? Well, 256 mm - I will not remember !!!!

[Marat]

You cat, if you want to communicate, then formulate a thought clearer

[Old Cat Basilio]

Excuse me, Marat, I mean the calibers of the battleships "Soviet Union!", "Sevastopol" and the armored cruiser "Rurik".

[chehywed]

Speaking of calibers! On the anniversary of the break of the blockade (1943) on the NTV channel (AMAZING), doc. film about the blockade. One story was about an older, Tatar, battalion commander of the fort "Krasnaya Gorka". He had 4-305mm and 4-100mm guns at his disposal. And not a single anti-aircraft gun. Sitting on the battery, he saw an armada of bombers going to Leningrad. After calculating the distance to the target, the battalion commander lifted 4 barrels of 305 mm upward, and stuck it “into the white light, like a pretty penny.” Half an hour later he was arrested. He spent the night in a cell awaiting execution. And in the morning he was sent to his place of service, with the assignment of the order. In one salvo, he blew about 80 bombers from the sky, repelling the raid on Leningrad. What charter is it written in?

[ballian]

Could such a heresy on NTV be shown? it is strange that only 80, not 800 :)

[Vadivak]

Ovcharenko, Dmitry Romanovich on the wiki if you didn’t read it ... I don’t draw any conclusions, they fell without a parachute in the war and from 7 km,

[makrus]

cool yes ...

[chehywed]

As for the pseudo-historians, you are right, but defending your opinion try to do without insults.

[Lunahod1969]

Strange you are all who are fun, someone is looking for the guilty, and who generally do not give a damn! It turns out that 27 million ruined souls are just statistics? WHAT DO WE DISCUSS ABOUT? WHERE ARE THE GUYS GOING ???

[Aktium]

And this is how to count. Under Stalin, they counted 7 million. Under Khrushchev 20. Under Brezhnev - more than 20, and under Gorbachev - 27 million. The statistics, in this case, if there are, are carefully hidden. Leaving a place for speculation and fantasies of crooks from politics. Govorukhin in his film "Russia We Lost" calls the figure from 30 to 40 million. So you look by 2045 and all 100 millions will be typed.
Jews, too, say that they killed 6 million, although at that time in Europe so many Jews would not have gathered even if they scratched all the nooks and crannies.

[irony]

. Take only Eastern Europe, by 38, about 10 million Jews were living there.

[zczczc]

Hitler, I heard, counted 5 million in all of Eurasia.

[irony]

Hitler wanted in October 1942 with mechanized columns to reach the Urals in order to finish off the remnants of Soviet troops there. I read excerpts from the OKV diary, so apparently, they did not even know the possibilities of Soviet industry. The strategic intelligence of the Germans was very bad. And you say he considered the Jews.

[zczczc]

Well then the question is, who should be considered a Jew. Hitler believed that in whom Jewish blood seems to be more than 1/8.

Jews themselves believe that even now there are less than a million of them. At the same time, entire nations contain 85% of their blood:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1
% 86% D1% 8B

[irony]

I agree. The question is, who is considered a Jew? Very sharp question, mind you! It is strange that some industrialists of the Reich had a direct relationship with the Jews, but they lived as if nothing had happened. So it turns out that the Jews were those who were objectionable. Well, nationality, of course, was added. The terminology is all that. You cannot destroy people.

[zczczc]

The essence of the whole mess of the 30s in Germany, if roughly, looked like this: rich Jews who de facto controlled the entire financial system of Germany and not only, turned out to be close to the Finnish. collapse, like the United States is now. There are many reasons for this, every student knows them (the Versailles world, poverty, etc.). And they were in search of an extraordinary solution. The decision arose in the plane "on whom to blame and slip away quietly." Found a fool with extremist ideas - he instantly entered the role and became a demigod. Everything was fine, only now it got out of control. Like Stalin, when they put him in, they did not think that he was a "real" leader. Entering the role, he quickly identified the problem, made several PR actions such as the night of the long knives and the crystal night, and then did what he saw fit - the nation is united, it has a goal, Austria lives in the coming reunification, silver spoons are carried directly to the state. ... treasury. An extraordinary national upsurge. Meanwhile, the really rich Jews, meanwhile, have withdrawn capital to Switzerland and the United States, leaving their relatives, who have not reached the financial pie, to be torn apart by the new government. Hitler nationalized only a fraction of the Jewish capital.

Who was at the helm of the Third Reich with Jewish roots is not so important. It doesn't matter to us at all. For us, the only important thing is that when someone in Europe really needs resources, he comes to us. Or we carry him, as now. Everything else is the "historical context" of one and the same event called "Russia is the feed of Europe." By the way, Stalin also sold the resources of Germany before the war, delaying its beginning as far as possible. He was wise, and Hitler was an idiot, so he did what a reasonable man would not have done for sure - he attacked us in search of resources.

How it ended - it is known: the Jews told us thanks and settled back across Europe. And we remained isolated because we became self-sufficient. And they remained so until they killed Stalin. Then we were no longer self-sufficient, but still remained in isolation. Well, due to the lack of a normal leader, they have come to a collapse, in fact.

So the national composition of Germany at all times should be completely violet to us. By the way, now in the role of this fool Obama. Only he really is a fool.

[Sanzyro]

History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood! What was - it was ... And philosophizing crafty, and what would happen if this or that - some just forget that people are behind all this! And arrogantly argue what they say -

Quote: Akcium

Although why an unprecedented feat in the history of mankind? They like to dramatize and exaggerate everything here.

it’s just not good ... It disturbs from such an attitude ... Having grabbed onto historical facts (not always true) Some people, as they say, do not see forests behind the trees!

[Roman Skomorokhov]

From their 210 relatives left there thanks.

[Aktium]

Because there were, if I may say so, more heroic examples. Including in Russian history. And if you can't see farther than your nose, then ask knowledgeable people, and don't "stick out" your non-literacy and "Soviet patriotism."

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Actium, yes, you are finally smiled!
What, there is no other topic to raise your own CSW?
I also studied history, and I can tell you a lot about the defense of Sevastopol, my grandfather fought there. With his stories.
This is not about this, and not about your knowledge.
it is (if you have not yet reached) about human memory. About the people who lived in those days, worked, fought.
It's about them, not about your "knowledge"
And your posts just stink.
I despise nonhumans.

[Aktium]

Oops! Well, here we got to the very essence. You, "comrade" Banshee, turns out to be a supporter of the theory of the existence of people and non-people. And probably imagine yourself to be a "superman"? And someone, from your point of view, is "Untermensch"?
What about looking in the mirror? Are your earlobes not fused?
Is the skull the right shape? Have you measured with a caliper? And your eyes must be blue, "blond beast"? And blood of the first group, with a positive Rh factor?
And what is the ChSV? And how to raise it?
And your grandfather is apparently a long-liver, if he remembers the Crimean campaign and participated in the defense of Sevastopol? Probably he saw Admiral Nakhimov?
So, I, unlike you, know more and have lived longer. And I judge things not from the stories of one person, but consider the issue from all points of view. Your Bolshevik nonsense with Sanziro interests me insofar as I am interested in the nature of human stupidity. You think in templates (two or three) on the basis of which you distribute people on the right and not on the right. The usual Bolshevik demagogy. In general, I immediately noticed that this site has a "red" majority. Assuming that on "Military Review "I will find articles on military theory, strategy and tactics, I registered on this site. But, I mainly saw the propaganda of" red "madness.
By the way, do not confuse Russian nationalism with German National Socialism. Although you and Sanziro really can only be convinced by an automaton in the head.
It would be curious to see how both of you would lead yourself under the bullets.

[Sanzyro]

SIGN OUT ...

[Aktium]

Only after you, "comrade". I am curious to see your "October" pearls. Where else will I see such a freak show?

[Sanzyro]

Take a look in the mirror ... That's for sure - PANOPTICUM ...

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: Akcium

.You, "comrade" Banshee, turns out to be a supporter of the theory of the existence of people and non-humans. And probably think of yourself as a "superman"? And someone, from your point of view, is an "Untermensch"?

I disappoint, I guess. Yes it is. The one who spits in the past.

Quote: Akcium

And your eyes are probably blue, "blond beast" and blood of the first group, with a positive Rh factor?

The fourth is negative. Not blond. And the eyes are not blue.

Quote: Akcium

And what is the ChSV? And how to raise it?

How to raise a sense of self grandeur? Yes, that's it ...

Quote: Akcium

I, unlike you, know more and have lived longer

Who measured? What is the measure? Not sure of the first or second.

Quote: Akcium

Yours with Sanziro, Bolshevik nonsense, I am interested in as much as I am interested in the nature of human stupidity. You think patterns (two or three) on the basis of which you distribute people to right and wrong.

Well, you and one template, apparently, enough.

Quote: Akcium

By the way, do not confuse Russian nationalism with Germanic national socialism.

I do not confuse, if that. I know. That's just what it is?

Quote: Akcium

It would be curious to see how both of you would lead yourself under the bullets.

Yes, normally led, when I had to. No worse than others. And I will have to - I will lead the same way.

And it is interesting for me to admire such people, who are wondering where they are, just to amuse themselves. But, I confess, with great pleasure I would have looked through the scope. And more practical and more familiar.

[Aktium]

Well, of course. Another Asian in the service of the world revolution. Proletarians of all countries unite and so on. I don’t suffer from megalomania. per year). At the expense of the crap-it is true. There are enough such "handsome men" everywhere. You are not an exception. Turned the site into a Bolshevik sump.
Unlike some, I have blue eyes and white hair. And the first positive blood group. I hate the Reds since childhood. Although I admit that under Brezhnev, in principle, life was not bad (a little worse than in 1914) The blockade of Leningrad for me is everything only an episode of the great tragedy of the Great War, but in no way "an unparalleled feat in the history of mankind." If it were not for the Bolshevik scum, then there would not have been any war. And history must be learned, simply because to know and draw conclusions. Here, every red bastard calls to join the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and talk about options for conducting red propaganda. In general, it is not interesting The usual verbiage. I noticed an interesting thing. All conversations on the Internet do not lead to anything. The only result, as far as I know, is, in my opinion, in 1998, the Party of Right Forces, Khakamada, Nemtsov and Kirienko was created - via the Internet (I learned from the news on the "box").
And finally, while I have the time, you, "comrade" Banshee and "m-sh" Sanziro, on this site, will have an opponent in my face.
Yes, one more thing. Age is measured by years if you didn't know.

[zczczc]

Aktium, ascribing to himself the right to look at historical events from the outside, and not from the inside, as we, unsubscribe ourselves from our own people.

Knowledge without the carrier of this knowledge is nothing, and the interpretation of historical facts does not stand up to you.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Troll Tiny. And with a bunch of complexes, exposing them. Yes, and with the national socialist inclinations.

Quote: Akcium

Yes, one more thing. Age is measured by years if you didn't know.

Count up, in the know.

Quote: Akcium

Another Asian in the service of the world revolution.

Not at all, baby. Much more European you will be. And not in the service of the world revolution, you rezhunchik mine, in the service of his country.

Quote: zczczc

I do not suffer from delusions of grandeur - if that

Yeah, that's so unnoticed. This is not mania, these are your hormones, baby.

Quote: Akcium

Unlike some, I have blue eyes and white hair.

Well, okay. Tomik "Mein Kampf" under the pillow, portrait of St. Adolf on the bedside table. "Blond beast" who hates the Bolshevik scum. Come on, come on ... oppose ... trololo.

[Aktium]

"Comrade" Banshee is hysterical. "Comrade" Banshee is drooling. Well, that's right when there is no reason to go into insults.
Polite address is taken for "childhood" and "complexes" - the typical behavior of a boor-proletarian.
There is a portrait of Adolf. Only not on the bedside table, but on the wall. "Mein Kampf" not under the pillow, but on the bookshelf (by the way, next to "Capital" and Lenin's PSS, as well as from "The Origin of Species by Natural Selection" by Charles Darwin 1898 Year of release).
Hormones are a good thing. Without them, you know, nowhere. You probably don't have them at all. Such a "sexless" creature. Cherub-type.
Here are some "personalities" talking about "budenovkas" from the closet and "we'll show you all." But you won't show anything. Your time, "comrades", is up.
All that you are capable of is rudeness in the network. I am glad that there is the Internet ("Freemasons" and the CIA are not asleep - they have confused the Bolsheviks in their networks).
The decrepit Gennady Andreevich and no less decrepit Communist Party of the Russian Federation numbering 450000 sixty-year-olds and old women who grew up with relative "corn" prosperity and "stagnation of developed socialism." The spirit is not enough.

[zczczc]

Banshee, about megalomania - this is the Aktsium said, but not me actually :)))

[Roman Skomorokhov]

I'm wildly sorry ... I did not understand how it happened.

[ytqnhfk]

Rusichi, but is it possible to throw it out of the site altogether? I mean the Aktsium? !!! As they say from words to deeds!

[zczczc]

ytqnhfkand why, let drool. Ignore him and that’s it.
He has a disease - "Goebbels of the brain", the fourth stage, terminal.

If he ever does something for the country with his own hands (even though a fire helps to extinguish it, I’m not talking about protecting the country), then he will cut his throat like he is now. It’s just not ripe yet, the young tiger ...

[Aktium]

Neutral, complain about me to the administration of the site. "Rusich" was found. My stomach ached from laughter.

[ytqnhfk]

The head does not give rest to the feet - they say and you have a stomach - a bear’s disease means. And I can’t complain. I specifically proposed to remove YOUR presence from this site due to the humiliation of the feelings of those present and anti-moral agitation with my opinion distorted to such an extent that YOUR presence is disgusting !!!

[ytqnhfk]

YOU everywhere (in my opinion) see "red" ones. Do you have a mania?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

No, he's just a little teenager. Hence, all this reasoning and boasting with the color of eyes and hair. And a blood group (although I don’t understand what it is, even if it’s killed). The neo-fascists invented something new. Rh division.

The paradox is that I am capable not only of rudeness in the network. In life, oddly enough, doing the real thing. Yes, one, but for me personally this is still enough. But I do it, and I do it so that there are no people like you.

Our time has not expired, woe to you. And 20 will not expire yet, or even more. And all these 20 years, you can be sure YOUR time will not come. And by that time either you really grow up and understand the wretchedness of your inclinations (hopefully), or you will be crippled. Precedents happen. In the end of April.

So, you can say anything, Aryan, but since you are blond (like Hitler), tall (like Goebbels), slender and educated (like Goering) and have the 1 + blood group (Like Eichmann), then remember how it all ended true aryans.

mein kampf next to Lenin ... well, well ... put next to me "History of the Great Patriotic War". And remember that there weren't Bolsheviks. Not communists. Everyone was there: Russians, Ukrainians, Kazakhs (oh, these Asians are in the service, right?), Belarusians, Tatars, Georgians ... Citizens of the USSR.
And their descendants will not let people like you "fledge". Stay calm.

[figwam]

Amazing debate from scratch.
Banshee,
these youngsters don't give any arguments and proofs, just the more shit they pour, the more they pay attention to it and hold on, they pissed in their brains, here's my conclusion. Bonus to you is Banshee.

[Aktium]

Worth. "History of the Second World War." Since I am interested in military operations on both sides. Adolf Hitler had brown hair and blue eyes. How are you not Bolsheviks? Have you renounced the ideas of comrade Lenin and comrade Stalin or what? Or how did Gennady Andreyevich decide in 1991 to "podrihtovat Lenin"? The Volga-Tatar Legion "Idel-Ural" fought against the Bolsheviks. The ROA fought against the Bolsheviks. General Krasnov (a Russian military general who fought in the First World War on the German front) fought against the Bolsheviks. The Cossacks fought against the Bolsheviks. The Chechens were on both sides, and also Georgians, Latvians, Estonians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and many others.
You probably hope to organize a new "socialist revolution" in 2017. But here's the problem: the German General Staff and Jewish bankers won't give you any more money. So you've already thrown them once. And the Chinese "comrades" do not need you - they need the resources of the Far East and Siberia. Yes, and scumbags, such as Yashka Sverdlov, Felix Dzerzhinsky and Leiba Trotsky, you also do not have. And you can only dream of "comrades", in impotent anger tapping on the keyboard with "labor fingers."

[mitrich]

Plucking up the courage, I will ask: when was the blockade of Leningrad broken? And can "Operation" Iskra "be considered a breakthrough of the blockade? Maybe someone who understands it, specifically answering the question: WHEN it was broken. Thank you in advance.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

The whole question is what is considered a fact of breaking the blockade.
In general, in the TV series "Unknown War" or in our "Great Patriotic War" (available on rutracker.org) the film about Leningrad is very detailed. With a chronicle, numbers and more. I recommend.

[irony]

It is quite possible.

[ytqnhfk]

January 27th! Why I remember well, my father was born on this day but not only !!!

[SVD]

Akium said:

...
If not for the Bolshevik scum, then there would have been no war.
...

The babble of the insane.
Hitler went to war on the USSR to DESTROY the entire population of the USSR. In order to clear a place for the German nation, use the resources of the USSR. And it was the Jewish capitalist countries that secretly supported Hitler. And even if the Aktiyum is three times fair-haired - what is prescribed at birth - whether you are Belarusian, Ukrainian, Estonian or Russian - you are nothing to the Hitlers - a slave. This is the main ideology of the Natsiks.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

God be with him ... A schoolboy trying to prove his worth to himself. Troll, no more. Nadergal quotes from the Internet and trying to operate them. Grow - smarter. Maybe.

[Aktium]

Banshee, you are repeating this again. Have you decided to tackle self-hypnosis?

[Sanzyro]

Alas! Will not grow wiser ... The case is already clinical and the changes have gone too far! It is sad that in the country the most affected in the Second World War is such an opinion and such judgments about those extremely unambiguous events! And there are more and more such orcs ... Moreover, they are all literate and weak-minded, it seems impossible to name them, but the logical component of their judgments carries such a flawed and perverted mechanism for understanding elementary concepts, I would even say - biologically elementary, that creeps in doubt ... But is it not aliens? With their statements, they shock the basis of the foundations - the instinct of self-preservation !!! How can it be good that threatened you with destruction ?? Physical !! Such things are easily understood even by reptiles that cannot be trained!

[irony]

It is a brainwashing product that has been supported by the West over the past 20 years. I cannot imagine what my classmates would do to me, tell me a tenth of what this brownish "comrade" said here. Partaigenosse, b ..!

[Aktium]

Your ancestors, "comrade" Ironya, have been brainwashed for 70 years.

[Aktium]

I have already begun to collect a collection of "comradely" pearls. Soon I will send to Mikhail Zadornov: "a flawed and perverted mechanism of UNDERSTANDING elementary CONCEPTS"; "biologically elementary (concepts)"; "with their statements they SHAKE THE FOUNDATIONS OF FOUNDATIONS."
Reminiscent of Vyshinsky's speech at the trial of "enemies of the people." Only more illiterate.

[PSih2097]

I’ll send Mikhail Zadornov soon

Do not forget to send your statements there too ...

[Sanzyro]

"Such things are easily understood even by untrained reptiles!" - Is this clear and competent enough ??

[Aktium]

Yes, yes. And also the German "fascists" ate Soviet children at breakfast and washed them down with the blood of Soviet virgins. Another "red patriot" who has read Bolshevik tales.

[ytqnhfk]

Well done, come on !!! Listen to the hunt YOUR conclusions or except ideologies in your ballot box is not ?? !!! OWN what cockroaches ??? WHAT is yours in your head ?? NOW YOU ARE RIGHT AND YOU CALL YOU NOW !!! YOU ARE GREEN AND DO NOT REASONABLE A CHILD and dad didn’t flog you? Or, on the contrary, did you put such love to the Bolsheviks on your head ?? Or is it even more interesting ???

[Aktium]

An urn in your head, you have a "comrade" Neutral. I’m looking, you "comrades," doing "self-affirmation" here and there’s nothing else for you. Only emotions. Not a single fact. What about the blockade of Leningrad, what about this article. to engage in sophistry at Bolshevik meetings.

[Aktium]

If "he went to war against the USSR to DESTROY" the entire population of the USSR, then why did he not destroy everyone in the occupied territories? Where is the logic, "comrade"?

[mitrich]

Aktium,
did not have time, but made every effort to do so.

[Aktium]

Yeah, so they applied that they allowed the NKVD instead to do the cleaning of the territory. How many people went to the camps just because they lived peacefully and quietly in the "occupied territories"?

[PSih2097]

The OST plan is also an invention of the Bolsheviks-communists?

[Aktium]

Plan "Belomor-Canal." A million and a half died of starvation while building this fucking Bolshevik project.

[ytqnhfk]

The Nazi sees good in his own way, well, and they didn’t have time to reach his hands !!

[ballian]

Quote: SVD

And it was the Jewish capitalist countries that secretly supported Hitler.

Still not tired of lying about "the country supported"?
Then, in your opinion, it turns out that the "Jewish-capitalist" countries supported Stalin - they built his industry in the 30s.

[SVD]

Akium said:

Yes, yes. And also the German "fascists" ate Soviet children at breakfast and washed them down with the blood of Soviet virgins. Another "red patriot" who has read Bolshevik tales.

These same "Bolshevik fairy tales" are quite easy to prove by simply digging through the archives. Hitler's directives, stenography of Goebbels' speeches, etc. - these are, of course, "Bolshevik fairy tales". Better Bolshevik tales than the current anti-Russian propaganda, in which you sit up to the scruff of the neck!

[PSih2097]

Yes, yes. And also the German "fascists" ate Soviet children at breakfast and washed them down with the blood of Soviet virgins. Another "red patriot" who has read Bolshevik tales.

Yes, he goes along poh ... at all, sits and expresses himself, instead of jelly brains ... in short, the troll.

[Aktium]

You, "comrade" Crazy, I really don't give a damn.

[Aktium]

Prove at least one case of cannibalism by German soldiers and I apologize to you.

[Joker]

Aktium'u

They may not have eaten, but the atrocities were unambiguous. Village Breeder, Bryansk region. When the village was captured by the Germans, all the men were shot, my great-grandfather was a WWI veteran, he escaped when the village began to burn (apparently without people) "left" under the cover of smoke, most were less fortunate. In neighboring villages, people were herded into one building (barn, church, etc.) and set on fire. Some of the children were saved, they were thrown out the windows, who were not shot, they survived and told.
They massacred us, including civilians, do not deny, this is a fact.

Listen guy, finish the heresy and go talk with your parents, grandfathers - grandmothers, if anyone is alive. They will tell you a real story based on memories from their lives.

As for your worship of Hitler, you know to honor the one who wanted to thoroughly cleanse your country (no matter who pushed him to this war, this is a topic worthy of a separate discussion), about the same in my subjective opinion, what to do with shit.

I don’t intend to continue the dialogue, just think.

[Aktium]

In Mein Kampf, A.G. gives only one phrase about Russia, more precisely about the Russian people: "A great people fell into the slavery of Bolshevism."
In 1941, the NKVD authorities made a decision, on behalf of Comrade Stalin, to organize a partisan movement in the "occupied territories." But the trouble is. The "collective farmer comrades" did not want to fight the Germans and run through the forests. Then a simple software was implemented. " genius "plan. In the" zone of occupation "two special detachments of the NKVD were thrown. One was of the type partisan, and the second was of the type German (in full uniform). The" German "detachment burned down the village along with the inhabitants and" accidentally "left a couple of" witnesses " , usually children. Children ran to a neighboring village and told everyone that "evil guys are fascists", killed everyone and burned the village. "The special forces then" changed their shoes "into partisans. And the outraged (deceived) people went to the partisan detachments. Here's a fact.

[Joker]

Of course, of course, they brought us prosperity and civilization. Just like now, the Pindos are spreading democracy to the whole world, that some that others are directly altruists.

PS the village was occupied by the Germans shortly after the withdrawal of our units, it was a front. Accordingly, there is no talk of any castings. Yes, and not before that was in the 41st. But the level of patriotism was incomparably higher. According to the recollections of many veterans, shortly after the outbreak of the war, queues formed in military commissariats.

But your brains are thoroughly washed, I see I see that it makes no sense to prove. Well, believe that the creators of democracy throw you up.

[Aktium]

You seem to have them washed even more. The field German units did not participate in "punitive operations". Make it a point on your nose. So, either you are lying, or your great-grandfather confused something. And about the queues at the military registration and enlistment offices, tell Sanziro. Or the Banshee. Of course there were queues. For a medical examination. Because, as the order came out. All non-specialists should be sent to the front. And at the machines and women with children can work.
By the way, the German industry, until the end of the war, worked in Peacetime, with an 8-hour working day and two days off. And you tell me about some kind of superiority and "atrocities". People from the "occupied territories" rushed to work By the way, those who did not end up in the Soviet zone remained to live in Germany. And those who were not lucky ended up in the Gulag camps as "accomplices of the Nazis." However, like most of the Red Army men who were in German captivity. The poor content of prisoners was based on the fact that they did not have "prisoner of war status", since Comrade Stalin refused to sign the international convention on the "status of prisoners of war." English, American and French prisoners of war were kept completely decently. And the so-called "Pindos", whom you all hate, raised the Soviet industry in the 30s, carried out the supply of weapons, non-ferrous metals and food under the Lend-Lease, even half a year after the end of the World War. ameri Kanian and Canadian wheat, the cards would not have been canceled in 1947. These are facts. And your Bolshevik drooling is only interesting to you. "What poor, unfortunate we are, have pity on us." Tra-la-la. Instead of groaning - raise Russia, your mother, and do not dismiss snot, dreaming that "We will show everyone else" and threatening with soft fists America and the entire West, to which, in general, you owe the fact that at least you are on the Internet, and not with wooden abacus.

[Sanzyro]

What do you want ?? So that they also ate ?? No, well, it’s already at all, no way ... You should have an appointment with the good Dr. Mengele. He would have checked you properly ... On the subject of mental sanity.

[Aktium]

Sanziro, your emotions make me think that you ate too much of "Snickers" as a child. Watch less TV and read more good books.

[Sanzyro]

From such statements, really some emotions ... I also want to say a lot of words, but only prepositions are censored - "B" and "ON" ... And as a child, my sneakers were not, unlike yours! What, did you sleep, a young troll ??

[Aktium]

Hmm. This is not treated.

[Aktium]

Joker, my grandmother worked in a hospital, she told me this about what the wounded soldiers raved about, you will not read in any books. My grandfather fought in 1941 near Moscow, thank God for a short time, he was discharged for injury. So, the NKVD units ate from The belly and uniforms they had with a needle. Simple infantry units walked in the WINTER in boots with windings or in a tarpaulin and ate what God sent. With frostbite they lost up to 30% of their personnel. The attack went without fire support. Machine gunners of the NKVD fired only at This parade on Red Square shows how they are all in sheepskin coats and well fed. In fact, most of the units sat starving and fought only because there was nowhere to go. Soviet punitive forces are behind. German positions are in front. So and so die. By the way, the siege of Leningrad could have been lifted back in 1942. Only to Stalin, it was zapadlo. For him, it turned out to be more important to cleanse the city with his name, from Paulus's 6th army.

[Joker]

About the village.

And where did you get that it was a planned punitive operation? Just the combat units went "to enslave the eastern barbarians."

About the barriers of the troops. There were not so many of them that you can attach to each part. And there are different cases of war.

As for the atrocities, apparently nobody was under occupation.

Correct about stalingrad:

On our continent, due to the rotation of the earth, the western shores are higher than the eastern ones. In the region of Stalingrad, the height differences reached 20-30 meters if I am not mistaken. It was an excellent springboard for the German forces, having received which it would be possible to continue the offensive in the oil-bearing regions of the Caucasus, in my opinion it is quite obvious.

And after such opuses it’s not worth talking about your higher education in the military. At best, an ignoramus, at worst an impudent liar.

Your position is clear to me, I don’t see any point in proving something.

[Aktium]

What are the "western shores"? What is the "height difference"? At least I took the trouble to read the textbook.
A separate group of troops was operating in the Caucasus direction in the central part of the Main Caucasian Range.
The Stalingrad front was generally on the other side. Eastern direction. What "excellent foothold" can be created in the steppe (there was ONE German army at Stalingrad, and THREE FRONTS were created against it).
Combat units will not linger in the village in order to "enslave the eastern barbarians" by burning its inhabitants. Because the movement schedule will be disrupted and the entire tactical plan will go to hell.
And you will finally decide where the German army was going: "enslave the eastern barbarians" or "destroy everyone without exception"?
"Atrocities" .....
In late June and early June, 1041, the SNK and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) adopted resolutions on organizing the struggle in the rear of the “invaders.” By the end of 1941, more than 2000 partisan detachments were operating in the rear of the German troops. Special groups of the NKVD and underground Bolshevik organizations those who did not manage to get out of the cities before the capture by German troops. They were faced with "the task of preserving FAITH in the INTEGRITY of the Soviet power, strengthening the MORAL SPIRIT of the Nation and strengthening the struggle in the occupied territories." Here are a couple more facts. ".One slogans and senseless excuses.