Fitch for political reasons downgraded Russia's credit rating

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Today, the so-called "international" rating agency Fitch lowered the credit rating of the Russian economy from BBB to BBB- (with a negative outlook). This rating is interpreted as the lower level of average solvency. The next step is “junk” ratings. Fitch explained their decision by the fall of the Russian ruble, lower world oil prices and reduced access for Russian banks to foreign loans. Another reason for Fitch called the increase in the key rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation to 17%. Reports about it "Vesti.Ekonomika".

Fitch for political reasons downgraded Russia's credit rating


Russian economic experts say that Fitch’s decision is politically biased. The fact is that an objective reduction in credit ratings can occur only if the state loses its ability to make payments on its existing debt. Russia not only makes such payments, but also has more than significant gold and foreign exchange reserves, which can only be dreamed of by countries set up by Fitch several steps higher than the Russian Federation in their rating at once (for example, Italy with government debt as much as 128% GDP and new requests for loans from the ECB).

It is necessary to note one more oddity. Fitch experts say that Russian banks have actually lost the possibility of lending abroad. Apparently, the term "abroad" Fitch means "in Europe and the United States." In a strange way, the rating agency does not mention the fact that Russia received ample lending opportunities through direct interaction with Chinese banks — moreover, at a significantly lower percentage than before the introduction of sanctions, Western “partners” offered Russia.

It is obvious that all these games with credit ratings are another example of pressure on those who are trying to pursue an independent policy in the world.
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    1. +109
      10 January 2015 12: 24
      Now let’s work out with this report.
      These freaks before the 2008 crisis gave the papers mortgage AAA
      Who wants to believe the "once lied"?
      1. +41
        10 January 2015 12: 28
        got this agency!!!! Well, how much can you guess on the coffee grounds? greens are not worth paper for her, but their rating is og lol
        It is obvious that all these games with credit ratings are another example of pressure on those who are trying to pursue an independent policy in the world.
        1. +31
          10 January 2015 12: 38
          Quote: tobacco
          got this agency!!!! Well, how much can you guess on the coffee grounds? greens are not worth the paper for her and their rating is og-go lol
          It is obvious that all these games with credit ratings are another example of pressure on those who are trying to pursue an independent policy in the world.

          The funny thing is that a low rating negatively affects investments and the possibility of obtaining loans abroad, but Russia has long been under sanctions and, in fact, lowering the rating does not reduce anything, on the contrary, such actions only rally the people against whom the West is waging war while non-lethal means, but war.
          1. +6
            10 January 2015 16: 31
            such actions only rally the people against whom the West is waging war, while waged by non-lethal means, but war.
            Only a good blow to the people who seized it can loosen up a stranglehold on Russia's throat, but alas, this is not according to the rules of liberal economic policy ... Probably in March we will be covered by default
            1. +7
              10 January 2015 16: 43
              Quote: jktu66
              ... Probably in March we will be covered by default

              whom are you?
              Moreover, as soon as the demand for petrodollars in the world disappears, and this will happen if hydrocarbon resources are no longer traded in dollars, the value of the American currency will begin to fall, which will ultimately lead to hyperinflation in “dollar” economies.
              And Washington is most afraid of this scenario. At the beginning of the millennium, Iraq and Iran tried to implement this scheme and hit the US dollar, for which they paid - Iraq in the Persian Gulf, and Iran with economic isolation, Koenig notes.
              In opposition to the US dictatorship, Russia and China have taken important steps. An alternative financial system was created within the BRICS framework; trade between countries is carried out in national currencies, which leads to an increase in the reserves of the Russian-Chinese currency basket. Such a new monetary system in the near future may cover 25%, that is, about one third of the global economy, thereby becoming fully autonomous.


              РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20150110/1041983560.html#ixzz3OQSf8ZQ4
              1. +5
                10 January 2015 17: 47
                Quote: poquello
                the new monetary system in the near future may cover 25%, that is, about one third of the global economy

                Nothing bothered anyone? 25% is a quarter, not a third. That fly in the ointment ...
                1. +4
                  10 January 2015 18: 02
                  Quote: matRoss
                  Quote: poquello
                  the new monetary system in the near future may cover 25%, that is, about one third of the global economy

                  Nothing bothered anyone? 25% is a quarter, not a third. That fly in the ointment ...

                  Problems of the corrector or translator, now there already
                  Such a new monetary system in the near future can cover from 25% to a third of the global economy, thereby becoming fully autonomous.
                  1. +9
                    10 January 2015 19: 59
                    Quote: jktu66
                    Probably in March we will be covered by default

                    Default is the declaration by the state of an inability to pay further than its debt obligations. The state debt of the Russian Federation at the moment is 14% of GDP and for some reason does not want to increase.
                    And let’s take it so that after the depreciation of the ruble in dollar terms it increased by 2 times. It will come out just
                    only 28% of GDP - to put it mildly, indicators insufficient for the state to declare bankruptcy, i.e. for default. So, Mr. Entrepreneur, find out the materiel and, in particular, the terms from the field of finance, if
                    decided to use them and generally start a discussion on this topic.
                    1. -2
                      10 January 2015 21: 26
                      The default concept is not objective, but subjective. They will decide in the Kremlin that a default is necessary, then there will be a default!
                    2. +4
                      10 January 2015 22: 28
                      Quote: Colorado
                      And let’s take it so that after the depreciation of the ruble in dollar terms it increased by 2 times. It will come out just
                      only 28% of GDP - to put it mildly, indicators insufficient for the state to declare bankruptcy,

                      You are absolutely right, we are not threatened with default in the foreseeable future, but 28% of GDP is more than you. GDP has not halved. It is assumed that in the 15th year, the volume of GDP may decrease by 4 percentage points but not in half. And the fact that the ruble devalued by 70% over the year is because of a decrease in the volume of sales of foreign currency on the currency exchange.
                      By the way, a cheap ruble increases the competitiveness of Russian goods by reducing prices in terms of currency, and this, in turn, can stimulate demand for them, and therefore production.
                      1. 0
                        12 January 2015 21: 36
                        But nothing that the means of production are bought abroad ???
                  2. +3
                    10 January 2015 21: 37
                    Quote: poquello
                    Corrector or Translator Problems

                    OK, comrade. I generally support. Just drew attention to the annoying inaccuracy.
                2. +3
                  10 January 2015 20: 34
                  Yes, enough and 25% - further chain reaction. Let each other sell their wood mills and have high pulp mill ratings.
            2. +3
              10 January 2015 17: 13
              Who is this us? Since Russia is unlikely. Name your hosts by name.
              1. +3
                10 January 2015 18: 40
                Who is this us? Since Russia is unlikely. Name your hosts by name.
                Sorry, I am an entrepreneur, I work for myself, my family and the state of the Russian Federation, I have no owners. But I try to look at what is happening sensibly. In October of last year, in the comments, I indicated that I was approaching a p.p in the economy in January, and I got minuses. And rightly so, I was mistaken for a month, the collapse happened in December.
                1. +8
                  10 January 2015 19: 01
                  sorry, are you a manufacturer? or outbid, huckster? It has become much more profitable for manufacturers of our materials to work. selling iPhones has become much more unprofitable, who are you?
                  1. Debryansk
                    0
                    10 January 2015 22: 41
                    FOR URA PATRIOTS - the business owner is a stone-working-building slabs from different types of granite, monuments, fireplaces are all made of stone no worse than in Italy, as well as the restoration of architectural monuments - the purchase prices of a career stone have already increased and during the winter the increase is expected to be repeatedly warned, a big we import part of the granite for decoration from India, Brazil, China, Italy and we don’t have a price increase due to the collapse of the ruble-% collapse +% inflation stone processing tools hurray patriots in Russia do not make all imports starting from grinding and polishing machines to machine tools with cnc, all that is going to in Russia is a type of inter-school firm such is this complete hu *** there are no other words, our assembly is only complete. from China. The repair time for two angle-grinding machines took 1.3 years, the lack of components from the officials. We took a clear case and we don’t use it anymore. Diamond tools only import into Russia are not manufactured with acceptable quality for industrial use and there is also an increase in procurement using the same formula. Nebudu describe each of his business production example is understandable. The direction of trading is all the norm to me that I raised prices like everyone else and we trade on the sly the property stores and people still buy clothes they’re naked you don’t seem to come down to sigment cheaper what is the difference what to sell. Chem production, which is mainly done by young specialists, is average age I’ll stop it for less than 30 years, rising raw material prices and generally rising costs% growth on loans does not allow us to compete with China. We are waiting for a stable ruble and stability in the entire economy, but without enthusiasm. And yesterday I had a dream that only monuments remained profitable from production , so here. But one problem is cheers of the patriots, but I’ll lay the entire increase in the cost of production in the cost of finished goods and I hope after that you will be solvent in the same amount as before the collapse of the ruble and the crisis as a whole, since with a strong decrease in demand I will have to reduce my workers which have families.
                    1. +3
                      10 January 2015 23: 32
                      Such an illiterate "businessman"?

                      11 errors, not counting commas. With them for fifty leaves.

                      We have a locksmith literate write.
                    2. 0
                      11 January 2015 00: 39
                      Quote: Debryansk
                      FOR URA PATRIOTS -owner of the business stone-working-building slabs from different breeds of granite, monuments, fireplaces all of stone is no worse than ...

                      how much is a monument?
                      next dentists will conquer
                      1. Debryansk
                        +2
                        11 January 2015 01: 22
                        if you read carefully, it’s just the same monuments that always make a profit, and this season increase in sales people really buy wooden ones, they invest a price from 3 thousand to infinity, for example, a statue in full growth was. an employee of the administration sold for 1 million 950 thousand. they can afford it so we don’t cry and dentists don’t cry poquello don’t worry banshee check especially spelling mistakes I think I missed a couple of three characters ... Anyone who thinks that the worse the business is, you’ll be funnier do not flatter ourselves, we will find where to make money but jobs will be much less cry will be those who can not get a job. And the fact that I will cease to produce fertilizers to anyone who is worse off from this will be guessing I will invest in the non-production sector on baryzhestvo earned oh how good.
                        1. +2
                          11 January 2015 02: 58
                          Quote: Debryansk
                          if you read more carefully, it’s just the same monuments that always make a profit, and this season increase in sales people really buy wooden ones, they invest a price of 3 thousand ...

                          Yes, no, everything’s fine, it’s our cemeteries in distress
                        2. +1
                          11 January 2015 10: 26
                          Quote: Debryansk
                          And the fact that I will stop producing fertilizers to anyone from this will be worse guess

                          But fertilizers do not depend on granite?
                      2. +1
                        11 January 2015 01: 23
                        Quote: poquello
                        how much is a monument?

                        ++
                        Are these businessmen graveyard here also crushing a tear from us ?! I’m in shock ... their creatures themselves in a basin with domestic concrete and with Italian marble slab at the neck in the nearest swamp!
                        I’m silent about dentists, all the same, the filter will not pass ...
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                    3. +4
                      11 January 2015 02: 54
                      come on, friend, so that it’s good for you to lick your ass at the obama. Do you offer this?
                    4. Wladimir71
                      +4
                      11 January 2015 09: 11
                      No matter how hard it was, you need to invest in the development of your own machines and tools. From this all began, and the Chinese and Europeans.
                    5. +2
                      11 January 2015 10: 24
                      Quote: Debryansk
                      we import most of the granite for decoration from India, Brazil, China, Italy

                      Well kapets, in Russia without granite the default will come smile
                    6. +1
                      11 January 2015 13: 55
                      Well, what is the conclusion? Squat and bow, crouch and bow? Give Crimea? But what about some obscure Angara rocket launches. Is it also made of imported components?
                    7. 0
                      11 January 2015 13: 55
                      Well, what is the conclusion? Squat and bow, crouch and bow? Give Crimea? But what about some obscure Angara rocket launches. Is it also made of imported components?
                    8. 0
                      12 January 2015 12: 06
                      Debryansk, Your problems are well understood by everyone who works for themselves or for a private trader. But why this opus ignoring punctuation marks. Cry from the heart? I sincerely sympathize, but you yourself write that you will raise the prices and that's it. Or should the Crimea be returned, and the president of a zero type Borka the drunkard, so that it was quiet and peaceful, "Russian and American brothers forever" and the secular mare Sobchak could freely buy imported food? You better raise your prices.
                2. +4
                  10 January 2015 19: 42
                  Quote: jktu66
                  Sorry, I am an entrepreneur, I work for myself, my family and the state of the Russian Federation, I have no owners. But I try to look at what is happening sensibly. In October of last year, in the comments, I indicated that I was approaching a p.p in the economy in January, and I got minuses. And rightly so, I was mistaken for a month, the collapse happened in December.

                  What do you produce? That's because of such resellers-entrepreneurs, our prices are rising. Previously, they were called hucksters. Now entrepreneurs, damn it.
                  1. 0
                    10 January 2015 20: 10
                    Quote: Koshak
                    What do you produce?

                    He buys green candy wrappers on the exchange and resells at 20% more, that's what he produces. That is where his interest in default and full point for the Russian economy comes from.
                    Yes, by the way, what do you (jktu66) mean by economic singing? The growth of the dollar by 30% in one day and then on the same day its fall by 30%? Where did you see the fall of the ECONOMY? Or for you, the real sector of the economy and the exchange - the same thing? Then the first sentence of my post is fully confirmed.
                    1. +3
                      10 January 2015 21: 34
                      Here we need to count the chickens in the fall, I think after a year it will be approximately visible that sanctions have been taken with our economy - as long as one harm is seen, a significant increase in food prices (here I speculate) and durable goods is the ruble rate. Funds and reserves are not endless, and if by the end of the year the mechanism of reindustrialization does not start the business of seams ... Let's remember the USSR - the population was informed about the construction in the field of the national economy (I do not mean defense) How it was built different. Why the government does not bring information (and this method of influencing the masses) this and that will be built. As long as there are no goods produced in Russia on the shelves, everything will be very precarious and I'm sure all this indecision will lead to default.
                    2. +1
                      12 January 2015 21: 50
                      Now I will explain for the especially smart !!! (On the example of metal structures)
                      1. Manufacturers of metal products (I-beams, channels, pipes, etc.) do not currently sell metal, due to an incomprehensible situation with the exchange rate, as it turns out in a strange way and in the domestic market this is pegged to the dollar.
                      2. Due to the refusal to sell metal, the metal construction plant cannot produce the metal structures of which the buildings consist (mostly production).
                      3. The plant begins to stand idle, s / n must be paid, but where to get the money?
                      4. Investment projects are being stopped due to the foregoing, including the program for the implementation of production modernization.
                      5. Because of this (see above, the economy may go into recession).
                      It takes a long time to write in detail, and it’s enough to ignore the hands of the patriots to cheer.
                3. +5
                  10 January 2015 21: 40
                  This will be followed by a series of comments from people who, without doing anything, receive wages, it is not clear from whom. They have no families. They are fine. Any person who is working for YOURSELF, in the territory of the Russian Federation, has been having a lot of questions lately. If state corporations benefit the people; then why their management, lived with the device on this very people and stupidly cuts themselves loot. Why does it solve all the problems that the state has created for itself at the expense of us and our families? Do we still have the Trotskyists at the head of state? What are the faults of those who really feed you? Those who criticize and call us hucksters. Have you ever wondered where you will buy food, if WE stop you bringing it to the house ??? Apparently it's time for us, hucksters, to give up everything and become like YOU! Let the state feed you.
                  1. 0
                    10 January 2015 22: 21
                    Quote: Zdishek
                    who work for YOURSELF,

                    And you try to work for the state. Or at least for the state.
                  2. +1
                    11 January 2015 12: 36
                    Quote: Zdishek
                    This will be followed by a series of comments from people who, without doing anything, receive wages, it is not clear from whom. They have no families. They are fine. Any person who is working for YOURSELF, in the territory of the Russian Federation, has been having a lot of questions lately. If state corporations benefit the people; then why their management, lived with the device on this very people and stupidly cuts themselves loot. Why does it solve all the problems that the state has created for itself at the expense of us and our families? Do we still have the Trotskyists at the head of state? What are the faults of those who really feed you? Those who criticize and call us hucksters. Have you ever wondered where you will buy food, if WE stop you bringing it to the house ??? Apparently it's time for us, hucksters, to give up everything and become like YOU! Let the state feed you.

                    It seems to me that what is happening should be viewed in the context of a banal conflict between the metropolis that won the Cold War and the colonial "elite". It's just that the small-town oligarchs and the officials serving them began to realize that through the instrument of dollarization they were “squeezing out” everything they had acquired by “honest labor”, that is, they were doing with the Russian “elite” the same thing that it did with its own people through the instrument of “voucher privatization ".
                    Accordingly, the "elite" cannot agree with the prospect of Gaddafi, Hussein and Milosevic.
                    Therefore, "the lords (oligarchs and officials) are fighting (sanctions), and the forelocks of the slaves (the population) are cracking (the collapse of the ruble and the decline in living standards)."
                    If not for the last "not privatized" legacy of the USSR - the Strategic Missile Forces - this story would have ended long ago.
                    PS And as for the problems of the people ... so this is the tenth case. In this case, the "elite" hired a million-strong army of internal troops and police (more than the RF Armed Forces), not counting the private security companies of the oligarchs, and in the future, probably, PMCs (the same oligarchs).
                  3. Oliver
                    +1
                    12 January 2015 21: 26
                    Yes, it’s useless, they just think that the Russian Federation lives in a vacuum and does not depend on anyone, and has no analogs in the world of rockets with green unicorns, well, there are also trolls on salaries ... you can’t explain to them
                  4. 0
                    13 January 2015 10: 09
                    This will be followed by another series of comments ...
                    One of the standard "food chains" ... The state (official) - the entrepreneur (private trader, "huckster") - the end consumer (worker, teacher, doctor, pensioner, etc., etc.) ... You are absolutely rightly noted that the lion's share of problems in our state arise precisely because of the state itself (an official) ... But, your maxim that the state solves all its problems at the expense of "us and our families" requires clarification ... Who are US and WHOSE families? ... You yourself divided the participants of the food chain into "US" and "YOU" ... And you yourself defined "US" as people "working for themselves" (in your terminology - "huckster "), i.e. private entrepreneurs ... But why did you decide that the problems of the state, ultimately, become the problems of hucksters? ... Where did you see altruistic hucksters in Russia? ... Let's not trick ... The hucksters are enough quickly navigate the situation and push the problems that have fallen on them down the food chain - to the end consumer with all their might ... And the most traditional way of solving problems for the "huckster" is to increase prices ... So, in the end, all problems are solved as since it’s not at the expense of yours (the "baryzhy"), but at the expense of our families ... Any state nonsense in Russia is always paid by an ordinary man in the street ...
            3. +3
              10 January 2015 22: 09
              Quote: jktu66
              . Probably in March we will be covered by default

              If you are talking about Ukraine, then the probability of a default in March cannot be ruled out. And if Russia demands to return the debt of 3 lard bucks, then the default will take place for sure.
            4. +1
              11 January 2015 10: 21
              Quote: jktu66
              Dead snap on the throat of Russia

              Here in 1941 - it was a death grip, and now so-so, mats because of the fence.
            5. nicollider
              +1
              11 January 2015 10: 24
              Default is the inability to pay debts. The state is unlikely to happen; here, refusal of payments is more likely possible. For political reasons. Well, private traders are their sole problem.
          2. +3
            10 January 2015 19: 04
            Quote: Nick
            Quote: tobacco
            got this agency!!!! Well, how much can you guess on the coffee grounds? greens are not worth the paper for her and their rating is og-go lol
            It is obvious that all these games with credit ratings are another example of pressure on those who are trying to pursue an independent policy in the world.

            The funny thing is that a low rating negatively affects investments and the possibility of obtaining loans abroad, but Russia has long been under sanctions and, in fact, lowering the rating does not reduce anything, on the contrary, such actions only rally the people against whom the West is waging war while non-lethal means, but war.

            and I would screw the glasses into the light floor and make adjustments, if only the office together with the board of directors of this agency were lifted, the economic war is also a war ...
            1. +2
              10 January 2015 23: 55
              and I would screw the glasses into the light floor and make adjustments, if only the office together with the board of directors of this agency were lifted, the economic war is also a war ...

              Kamrad half a glass of bread about this will not be enough good Three days to wash drinks
        2. +12
          10 January 2015 13: 05
          I remember that not so long ago it was a question of creating independent rating agencies that were not subject to Eureka and Shurik. Here then it would be possible to send their ratings, and pieces of paper, and their entire rating system to be paraffinized.
          1. +8
            10 January 2015 18: 30
            Quote: wolf7
            I remember that not so long ago it was a question of creating independent rating agencies that were not subject to Eureka and Shurik. Here then it would be possible to send their ratings, and pieces of paper, and their entire rating system to be paraffinized.
        3. pahom54
          +4
          10 January 2015 13: 50
          Quote: tobacco
          got this agency !!!!


          All of these ratings are bullshit ... just echoes of a political information war ...

          Let our rating agencies publish the analysis, according to which the USA and Great Britain will be lower than the baseboard called Somalia or Zimbabwe ...
          1. +7
            10 January 2015 14: 41
            Well, all Russians, then lower the rating of the rating agency features. Even the Chinese said that we are more creditworthy than mattresses.
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          4. predator.3
            +4
            10 January 2015 16: 46
            After all these "predictions" it remains to shout!
            1. +7
              10 January 2015 17: 28
              And at that time in France ...

              Yesterday, at his workplace, at one in the morning, Commissioner Helric Fredo shot himself. One of the investigators investigating the terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo's headquarters.

              http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/limousin/2015/01/08/limoges-suicide-d-un-

              commissaire-de-police-626916.html


              I remember in the same scenario, in the states, the Tsarnaev case went.
          5. +1
            11 January 2015 07: 18
            The ratings, which are brought by agencies, at a level close to the scavenger, affect lending from outside, and can also lead to the collection of credit obligations by external lenders. In Russia, the public debt is now the lowest in the world, well, almost, so you shouldn't be afraid of them. All this custom-made event with the goal of damaging our economy. So with the same methods you need to choose debts from fucking partners and friends - 3 billion from fraternal Ukrostan, until this name has disappeared from the map of the eastern geirop.
        4. mihasik
          +7
          10 January 2015 15: 06
          Quote: tobacco
          got this agency !!!! Well, how much can you guess on the coffee grounds? greens are not worth paper for her, but their rating is og

          And how else to vacuum resources from suckers?)
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        6. +1
          12 January 2015 15: 21
          "Violinist! Here aliens are playing with their pants ... yellow ones, do you need them?" (from)

          "When society has no pants color differentiation, then there is no purpose!" (from)

          Something familiar, isn't it? laughing
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      3. +33
        10 January 2015 12: 30
        Ha ha ha !!! As if no one in the world knows how much money these ratings are made! How can a rating be so low in a country that can not only not give away, but also take away from many, if necessary!
        1. +22
          10 January 2015 12: 56
          How strange it sounds. but I am glad for such a development of events. I will explain why.
          Our state has not borrowed for a long time, but private companies. so it’s violet for the state to all these ratings - they can wipe them and lose the trust of customers.
          But gentlemen, private traders will be forced to return the stolen money from offshore and invest in Russia. Thus, these agencies work in the hands of the state.
          1. +2
            10 January 2015 13: 06
            Quote: Iline
            Thus, these agencies work in the hands of the state.

            There is common sense in this! And pay attention to biased ratings, wasting time!
            1. +12
              10 January 2015 13: 31
              Ratings -fuiting ...

              And for me ... oh! (c) S. Shnurov, "Leningrad".

              I'll cook potatoes, sprinkle them with sunflower oil, put herring and bread, pick a stack of "little white" ...

              And it will be good, but I put all the ratings!
              1. +3
                10 January 2015 16: 42
                And it will be good, but I put all the ratings!
                Everything will be fine, but not immediately and not at all smile
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              3. +6
                10 January 2015 21: 43
                '' I'll cook potatoes, sprinkle them with sunflower oil, put in herring and bread, I'll pick up a glass of "little white" ... '' It is not difficult to count: potatoes - 25 rubles / kg, sunflower oil - 90 rubles / bottle, herring - 150 rubles / kg, bread - 20 rubles. loaf, pile - 250-300 rubles 0.5l. TOTAL 535-585 rubles. Considering that workers' salaries (not in Moscow) in Russia do not exceed 20000-25000 rubles, not many will be able to afford to drink and eat that often.
                1. +3
                  10 January 2015 22: 00
                  Quote: papas-57
                  '' I'll cook potatoes, sprinkle them with sunflower oil, put in herring and bread, I'll pick up a glass of "little white" ... '' It is not difficult to count: potatoes - 25 rubles / kg, sunflower oil - 90 rubles / bottle, herring - 150 rubles / kg, bread - 20 rubles. loaf, pile - 250-300 rubles 0.5l. TOTAL 535-585 rubles. Considering that workers' salaries (not in Moscow) in Russia do not exceed 20000-25000 rubles, not many will be able to afford to drink and eat that often.

                  accountant, damn it, eat half a can every day
                2. +2
                  11 January 2015 07: 40
                  How much is a small stack of little white, not a bottle?
                  Well, let's say a bottle of sunflower oil is cheaper and how much does it need in a herring? I do not think that the bottle is poured.
                  Not really potatoes kg. Once eat, this is what kind of womb?
                  What a loaf in one sitting, and even with potatoes? But the inversion of the intestines will not be?
                  Yes, and kg. Herring under the pile - a bit too much. is not it?
                  Everything must be considered portionwise, otherwise some tragedy comes out.
                3. +3
                  11 January 2015 07: 44
                  After- KG potatoes + KG herring + KG oil - how many toilet bumps will be needed?
                  I'm afraid the pile will not save ...
                4. +1
                  11 January 2015 10: 36
                  Quote: papas-57
                  not many can afford to often drink and have a bite.

                  Not every day to eat vodka, but everything else is quite affordable.
              4. womba
                -3
                11 January 2015 04: 22
                I'll chop a stack of "little white" ...

                Drunk stole?
          2. +4
            10 January 2015 16: 40
            But gentlemen, private traders will be forced to return the stolen money from offshore and invest in Russia. Thus, these agencies work in the hands of the state.
            On the contrary, private traders will try to save their assets from default, which are threatened by such ratings. There will be no inflow from offshore, for this they are crushing us with sanctions with ratings. If we continue to live according to the rules of the WTO, collapse cannot be avoided, a matter of time.
          3. 0
            10 January 2015 17: 43
            Quote: Iline
            Our country has not borrowed for a long time, but private companies. so that the state is violet on all of these ratings

            If you think that to state corporations like Rosneft. Gazprom, etc. (main debtors) - the state has nothing to do --- then - YES
            Quote: Iline
            But gentlemen, private traders will be forced to return the stolen money from offshore and invest in Russia.

            Well, in general, it is not entirely clear how you came to this conclusion.
            It seems to be (assuming that these debts of private owners) - then they, as it were, before pulling them out of the offshore and investing them in Russia - should pay off
            Quote: Iline
            Thus, these agencies work in the hands of the state.


            Generally credit agencies (core) -3.
            I clearly understand the degree of indignation, but let's be honest, a country whose currency loses 70% of its value in a year + inflation of more than 10%, whose state corporations (and banks) are forced to collect new debts to repay debts, cannot have a high credit rating.
            Like it or no
            A simple example is if a person came to you (borrowed from you) and asked for a new loan to pay off the old debt (note that this is not that you demanded to return all the money now, there aren’t any agreed payments) - that what would you think?
            Already a priori. that as a businessman he is not very good (to put it mildly)
            Would you give him a loan?
            It is doubtful - this is what the credit agency says.
            And against the background of all the risks, falling oil prices and sanctions, these fears (not returning debts) are growing even more.
            Therefore, the rating was downgraded (and before that it was generally pretentious)
            1. mihasik
              +6
              11 January 2015 00: 41
              Quote: atalef
              Would you give him a loan?
              It is doubtful - this is what the credit agency says.

              But what does it not say about the US public debt of 109% of GDP, with which the US itself can no longer cope? Those. so that the Russian Federation’s rating was at the level, it should collect debts, preferably in the US dollars and then is everything all right?))
              1. +1
                11 January 2015 08: 19
                Quote: mihasik
                Quote: atalef
                Would you give him a loan?
                It is doubtful - this is what the credit agency says.

                But what does it not say about the US public debt of 109% of GDP, with which the US itself can no longer cope? Those. so that the Russian Federation’s rating was at the level, it should collect debts, preferably in the US dollars and then is everything all right?))

                Well, in comparison with Europe - America is in chocolate, the conversation is about the ability to pay debts, in America - there is no doubt for anyone (and the purchase of their T-bills, including Russia - this only confirms)
                You cannot go on debt, only by their size - there is also such a main factor - the ability to repay them.
                1. mihasik
                  0
                  11 January 2015 18: 03
                  Quote: atalef
                  You cannot go on debt, only by their size - there is also such a main factor - the ability to repay them.

                  Return of what, public debt? So the Russian Federation with 13% of the public debt can repay it at the first request. Where is the threat to creditors here?) Plus gold reserves, plus resources, plus nuclear weapons ...)) And what does the United States have, except for colored paper and the Army with nuclear weapons? Gold reserves of the USA have already been taken away by China, technology and American industry are there, there are no resources. Territory? Well, maybe Alaska will be sold back ...)
            2. +1
              11 January 2015 01: 08
              Quote: atalef
              ...
              Generally credit agencies (core) -3.

              let's go
              Bank "Russian Credit" began cooperation with one of the leading rating agencies in China, China Chengxin (Asia Pacific) Credit Ratings Company Ltd, to obtain an international credit rating in this region ....
              As the senior vice president of the credit institution Aleksey Ivanov clarified, the bank "proposed to the board to withdraw the current ratings of Moody's at the request of Asian partners." “In their opinion, new business relations need to start from scratch,” he said.

              http://www.banki.ru/news/lenta/?id=7294968
              Quote: atalef

              I understand the degree of indignation, but we’ll be honest,

              ABOUT! An honest Israeli completely forgot to say that all events with exchange rate fluctuations are deliberately provoked, for example, the Chinese absolutely do not care about this storm in a glass, and the credit history does not provide for "what if" options, because if there was no reason to fantasize it is bad form.
              1. +1
                11 January 2015 08: 24

                ABOUT! An honest Israeli completely forgot to say that all events with exchange rate fluctuations are deliberately provoked, for example, the Chinese absolutely do not care about this storm in a glass, and the credit history does not provide for "what if" options, because if there was no reason to fantasize it is bad form.

                Well, when China begins to lend, then we’ll talk until it’s out of the question.
                If you think that China doesn’t give a damn about all the ratings, I’ll look at the degree of your disappointment - in about 5 months
                1. 0
                  11 January 2015 13: 59
                  Quote: atalef

                  ABOUT! An honest Israeli completely forgot to say that all events with exchange rate fluctuations are deliberately provoked, for example, the Chinese absolutely do not care about this storm in a glass, and the credit history does not provide for "what if" options, because if there was no reason to fantasize it is bad form.

                  Well, when China begins to lend, then we’ll talk until it’s out of the question.
                  If you think that China doesn’t give a damn about all the ratings, I’ll look at the degree of your disappointment - in about 5 months

                  I completely agree, time will tell everything
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          4. +2
            10 January 2015 21: 40
            The state takes a loan for your information and quite a lot, I mean state corporations.
        2. +8
          10 January 2015 13: 08
          Quote: Shaitan
          Ha ha ha !!! As if no one in the world knows how much money these ratings are made! How can a rating be so low in a country that can not only not give away, but also take away from many, if necessary!

          Ukraine’s foreign currency debt must be paid for import debts, as part of its debt, so Ukraine will get rid of Russia's debt, and there is an opportunity to rejoice that type West helped them with money ... laughing
          but in general, it seems to me that this rating is a cramp of the West, and they give it to themselves in justification, such as this rating was the reason for the refusal to borrow money from Russia (read sanctions) ....
          and so, my heart feels that they will soon begin to break their currencies in order to increase our purchasing power and the competitiveness of their goods! or something else to look for ways to reduce prices, either for goods or for your currency ...
          as they say, then someone will sit out for someone like hunting, if they let us go up the price increase for their products, then they would sit out and win, respectively, if they break them, which will lead to lower prices for their products, then .. .
          here, as they say, it is necessary to force others to look at their own currency, I mean import, how much it costs to produce something at the place of production, and measure this with the value of our currency, and not measure it with a pin.dos.ky bucks ...
          1. +9
            10 January 2015 14: 34
            To do this, they have a quantitative mitigation mechanism, we turn on the machine. Both they and we have problems with inflation. Ours is growing too fast, they deflate. And the mechanisms of struggle are also different, ours reduce monetary liquidity (17%), they include a machine tool. Our all are trying to play white officers, all by the rules. Only there is no game, there are only survival conditions. Ukrainians over there, hacked exchangers, pasted the exchange rate, emissions were already stamped by tens of billions of hryvnias.
            1. +2
              10 January 2015 21: 54
              So we had to do it. And with the outstripping growth of ZP and social. payouts. Put on mattress covers and their instructions. But our president, in spite of the populist rhetoric, is walking in the forwarding of Fushington. Sorry, very sorry!
        3. +7
          10 January 2015 13: 11
          It would be time to do this closely. Did the rumor go that ukrov want to bend ours by 3 lard? Perfectly! Abroad they will help replenish our budget. Gazprombank is going to demand debts, another crack. China is suing. Au, UA, where are you ???
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        4. +7
          10 January 2015 13: 17
          Quote: Shaitan
          Ha ha ha !!! As if no one in the world knows how much money these ratings are made!

          1.Well, if it’s a corporation, a bank, an enterprise,CBRthey pay (to, b, p,CBR-) yourself from your pocket.
          Let me remind you of the "scandal" (and there are many of them):
          In January 2014, VTB CFO Herbert Moos accused Fitch in blackmail.
          According to him, the agency deliberately lowered VTB's credit rating to force the bank make a contract with him.

          2.A Fitch assigns the sovereign rating of countries, regional and local governments, and sovereign governments, on the basis of contracts and agreements concluded with them.
          Those. For its rating BBB-: PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

          Fitch Ratings Employees in 51 offices worldwide, have global analytical experience and knowledge of the specifics of local markets and conduct analysis on capital markets of more than 150 countries.

          3.And what to expect?
          -In the Russian Federation there are 4 (!) Rating companies, but none of them has
          global significance. Even in Russia Central bank does not allow them to work with pension savings, money of the National Welfare Fund and
          other sources of funds
          .
          - Moscow Exchange, planned before the end of 2014. exclude Russian agencies from among those whose ratings you can focus on
          when drawing up quotation sheets, leaving only the big three ratings": Moody's, S & P, Fitch
          1. +1
            10 January 2015 16: 51
            Those. For its rating BBB-: PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
            With our taxes, that is, we paid. Not funny. And the CBR does not belong to Russia
            1. 0
              10 January 2015 17: 18
              And to whom does it belong, the USA?
          2. 0
            10 January 2015 21: 58
            Finally they started to write the truth! And then one grief patriotism. You understand the people, this situation, created all the past fifteen years. We cannot influence her in any way.
      4. +10
        10 January 2015 12: 32
        But can we score on all these ratings and reorient the money to our economy (transfer all the money of the Central Bank and the stabilization fund to Russia).
        1. +16
          10 January 2015 12: 39
          the Americans just shuganuli them, and everything is fine with the rating. Why don't we throw them out of the territory of the Russian Federation? Declare their politicization, and make a pen. Why are we constantly in the role of suffering?
          1. +2
            10 January 2015 16: 55
            Why are we constantly in the role of suffering?
            Silenok is not enough for us. So everyones wipe their feet ...
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        3. +5
          10 January 2015 14: 07
          Quote: Sergei1982
          (transfer all the money of the Central Bank and the stabilization fund to Russia).

          how?
          How to transfer non-cash money from correspondent accounts?
          If correspondent currencies are in the issuing country of the currency?
          + It is clear that it is more profitable to buy dollars in an American bank, and yen - in Japanese - intermediaries disappear from the chain)

          Or is it all in cash? by airplanes?
          1. You can put in one plane no more than $ 250 million; insurance company does not insure a large amount
          2.In March 2014, demand was UP TO $ 5 billion a day - that's 20 (!!!) aircraft
          $ 500bn ./$ 5 billion = 100 DAYS WITHOUT OVERBREAK... And not "simple" planes
          3. Currency may not be carried by all airlines - not all of them are insured. For example, foreign banks Do not use the services of Aeroflot.
          During the development of the Crimean crisis in early 2014, there was a shortage of currency in the market, but only due to lack of aircraftThat carry money from the USA or Europe
          4. "The Dollar Way"

          5. As soon as we start to pick up ($, Euro), and get rid of US Federal Reserve Board receipts, the ECB EEC, immediately BLOCK (under any pretext) or war.
          6. And what will it give (we take it to ourselves) if they fail to fulfill step 5, then they (USA, EEC) will simply cancel this $, Euro, and for us they will turn into a piece of paper.
          7. What to do?

          Quote: Sergei1982
          But do not we score on all these ratings

          the ratings will determine the% rate on loans (not only the government, but also banks), as well as the% on the insurance of this loan, the stock price of enterprises, etc.
          Rating conclusion is the essence of AUDIT
          1. UN-IFOR-SFOR
            +11
            10 January 2015 15: 32
            Smile at "partners" and with elements of conspiracy, gradually, increasing the pace to get rid of foreign money (quickly and really will lead to trouble). And, most importantly, the ban on the free circulation of currency in the country. And then, apparently, this "green" was actually transported to us by planes. But dollars in the US and dollars OUTSIDE the US are different money. As a result, we have what we have. And financial (currency) speculators in addition to the neck.
            No matter how corny it may sound, the leaders of OUR State are to blame for everything. And there were many chances for 20 years that the current situation would not be with Us, but with Them.
            The thirst for profit overshadowed the sense of self-preservation.
            Again there will be a mobilization of forces and means, again we will defeat everyone, but again the guilty will, as it were, have nothing to do with, "with the people." Fuck you, every decision has a specific surname, let's remember everyone by name and everyone who was involved, had an interest.
            We began to forget, citizens, that what they do (including with the connivance of all branches of government) with OUR COUNTRY is not normal. Forgiveness is only worthy.
            1. +2
              10 January 2015 17: 00
              And, most importantly, a ban on the free circulation of currency in the country.
              The giant black market will spawn such a move. But the unfree exit of the currency from the country, in my opinion, is more interesting
            2. +3
              10 January 2015 20: 23
              Quote: UN-IFOR-SFOR
              But dollars in the USA and dollars outside the USA are different money

              ABSOLUTELY.
              The Americans themselves say: "We don't care about the size of the external debt and the amount of $ abroad! Everything is solved simply: non-cash payments in $ without the US are not possible, let alone cash in the US, like 2 fingers .."
              and who does not agree: there is the US Navy, US Air Force, and so on


              Quote: UN-IFOR-SFOR
              And there were many chances for 20 years that the current situation would not be with Us, but with Them.

              of course.
              in 20 (14) years it was possible to "drag" currency in the FORM OF TECHNOLOGIES, FACTORIES, INSTITUTIONS, brains ...
              ONE best (most modern) refinery (chemistry), located at the US, brings more value than all the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Russian Federation located there on correspondent accounts (or in the form of "IOUs" from the US Federal Reserve System), at 0,75 (1,5) % ANNUAL.
              Now it's late.
              Yes, and the deal with Opel was already clear, will not give.

              China didn’t bother: that it was able to import, that no, it was stolen.
              =======================
              And there was no need to give loans.
              There should now be a billion billion Russia 100-200, I would look at situevina with France, the Mistrals and sanctions ....
          2. 0
            10 January 2015 22: 19
            And then, the state-owned company Rosneft, to pay BP shareholders in cash !!! In December, a similar practice was repeated. Now we have a course in the region of 70
        4. +2
          10 January 2015 21: 59
          You write this to the guarantor of the constitution!
      5. +23
        10 January 2015 12: 41
        06.08.2011,
        Standard & Poor's announced late Friday that it had downgraded the US credit rating by one notch to AA +.

        Remember that story ??? !!! And how did it end ??? !!!
        The agency was also called almost a branch of Alkaida, and hinted that if they once again hinted at this, then their new home, Guantanoma Yes The guys apparently HAD !!!! request
        1. +1
          11 January 2015 07: 52
          Quote: demon1978
          Guantanoma
          Where is it?
        2. +1
          11 January 2015 19: 35
          06.08.2011,
          Standard & Poor's announced late Friday that it had downgraded the US credit rating by one notch to AA +.

          Remember that story ??? !!! And how did it end ??? !!!


          Remember - the directors of this office were removed after Obama's indignation.
      6. +6
        10 January 2015 12: 42
        Quote: a52333
        Now let’s work out with this report.
        These freaks before the 2008 crisis gave the papers mortgage AAA
        Who wants to believe the "once lied"?

        And for their banks and companies, they drew such ratings that it is still not clear why they all went bankrupt, provoking an international economic crisis.
      7. avg
        +16
        10 January 2015 12: 52
        In previous years, these three agencies constantly attacked China, as a result of which he started his own rating agency and asks other countries to support him in this endeavor. After the bursting mortgage bubble in 2009 and the continued accumulation of public debt. Two of these three agencies tried to downgrade the United States, but were forced to quickly abandon this venture under the threat of criminal prosecution. Independence and integrity, damn it ... request
      8. +4
        10 January 2015 13: 05
        Quote: a52333
        Now let’s work out with this report.
        These freaks before the 2008 crisis gave the papers mortgage AAA

        Absolutely accurate definition! good
        Does not matter loans do not give. И do not take them in the West.
        No need to invest currency in US bonds, you need to lend to industry and agriculture.
        And you do not need to make extra reserves in dollars, you look, and they will be frozen in FIG.
      9. +4
        10 January 2015 13: 20
        I became interested in what kind of agency it is and what it is, climbed into the internet and looked at Wikipedia, I quote:

        Fitch Ratings was founded in New York by John Knowles Fitch on December 24, 1913 as the publisher of the Fitch Publishing Company [2].

        In 1924, Fitch introduced a rating scale from AAA to D.

        In 1997, Fitch merged with IBCA Limited (headquarters in London), and Fimalac SA holding company became the owner of Fitch

        In April 2000, Fitch acquired Duff & Phelps Credit Rating Co. (headquarters in Chicago). Later that year, Fitch bought Thomson BankWatch.

        In October 2006, Fitch Ratings founded Derivative Fitch, the first specialized rating agency to assign ratings on the credit derivatives market, conduct analytical research and provide assessments to meet the needs of this market.
      10. +2
        10 January 2015 13: 25
        Today the so-called "International" rating agency Fitch downgraded the credit rating of the Russian economy from BBB to BBB-


        And, would you go to .ope? with their pseudo ratings, gentlemen gay.
      11. +8
        10 January 2015 13: 29
        Censor went even further lol
        10.01.15/00/40 XNUMX: XNUMXFitch downgraded Russia's credit rating to "junk" level
        There morons except the headline do not read anything.

        And after ...
        10.01.15 09: 36Russia entered the top five countries where default is most likely - Bloomberg
        Ukraine is not there, but Ukrainians and such bullshit are being rolled in.
        Who wants to laugh, these jokes on Censor.net
        1. +3
          10 January 2015 14: 47
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Ukraine is not there
          But no, for one reason, DEFAULT in Ukraine is not likely, but already READY to come ...
          1. 0
            10 January 2015 21: 47
            But there they will not allow default - this political project will stink but it will be left afloat. You know who.
        2. +1
          10 January 2015 15: 39
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Censor went even further

          Well, they are hotts, shob we "caught up"


          December 19.12.2014, 21 58: XNUMX = Standard & Poor's downgraded Ukraine's credit rating from “CCC” to “CCC–” negative outlook


          And it was like this in 2012:





          "They won't catch up with us" This seems to be NOT a Ukrainian song?

          What do they wishful thinking?
        3. +2
          10 January 2015 17: 05
          10.01.15 09: 36Russia entered the top five countries where default is most likely - Bloomberg
          I read this on Yandex yesterday, I don’t go to the censor after 02.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX and I don’t advise others
        4. +1
          10 January 2015 17: 06
          10.01.15 09: 36Russia entered the top five countries where default is most likely - Bloomberg
          Ukraine is not there
          Ukraine at all is gone. ANYWHERE
        5. 0
          10 January 2015 21: 45
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Ukraine is not there


          And they are in the "House" !!!! Yes fellow If anyone remembers this children's rule !!! hi Only, the roof, from this "house" RIDES FAST !!!! request
      12. +6
        10 January 2015 13: 38
        Quote: a52333
        Now let’s work out with this report.
        If it was just a "piece of paper", then to hell with it. The United States is purposefully destroying our integrated economy. With such "ratings", the securities of our corporations and the state itself, in the "automatic" mode, will be disposed of, which means that our economy will not see an inflow of money from abroad, and very, very large payments are on the "nose" on previously accepted loans, and this money, and not to the state, but to private companies must be taken somewhere, so another fall of the ruble against foreign currencies is provoked, since these companies cannot take money anywhere except in the domestic foreign exchange market, and the presentation on it is limited ... There is a very tough and uncompromising struggle and it already seems that there is no need to count on a draw in it, someone must win ... Either the dollar will collapse or we will surrender.
        1. +4
          10 January 2015 15: 20
          Putin has already used "rating slumps" a couple of times to buy up Russian shares!
          1. +4
            10 January 2015 17: 42
            Quote: SarS
            used "rating slumps" to buy up Russian shares!

            It’s not worth it to amuse ourselves, we buy these stocks ourselves, although we planned to receive money from them from abroad. So, while all this is being done only to ensure that the price of our shares does not fall. There is a very difficult struggle. Highly. and if anyone thinks that they are fighting only with bullets and shells, then he is deeply mistaken, they can kill money the same ...
          2. 0
            10 January 2015 21: 49
            Did he tell you that?
        2. UN-IFOR-SFOR
          +2
          10 January 2015 16: 17
          There is a silver lining. Those who were engaged in trade and procurement activities, welded %% from several hundred to several thousand (for me, these are parasites-hucksters, there are a lot of them) and therefore remained with problems. The key sectors of the economy and the national economy (included in the sphere of national security) have always been and will be supported by the state. It was necessary to develop its 25 years, and not to engage in trade. The potential of Russia is many times greater than that of another country in the world, incl. and high tech. What can we not do that is not produced in Russia !? And there are some things that are produced in Russia, many "over the hill" and can not do.
          Why the heck are we so many banks ??? Isn’t there enough state and municipal with an extensive network?
          1. 0
            10 January 2015 17: 12
            The potential of Russia is many times greater than that of another country in the world, including and high tech. What we can not do this, why not be produced in Russia !?
            For industry development, only potential is not enough. Japanese had no potential at all
        3. -1
          10 January 2015 17: 08
          that our economy cannot see an inflow of money from abroad, and that very, very large payments on previously accepted loans are on the "nose",
          If we pay, we will lose Russia
          1. 0
            10 January 2015 17: 24
            Quote: jktu66
            that our economy cannot see an inflow of money from abroad, and that very, very large payments on previously accepted loans are on the "nose",
            If we pay, we will lose Russia

            if we don’t - lose face
      13. Denis fj
        +2
        10 January 2015 13: 54
        All this is done by order of the State Department. If not sanctions, then at least lower the rating so that there are no investors.
        it is necessary to publish this phrase "Fitch's decision to lower Russia's rating due to pressure on the country" on the Facebook pages of many departments, since The State Department only reads Facebook and Twitter.
      14. Denis fj
        +1
        10 January 2015 13: 56
        Fitch is also added to the “personal enemies” group on R. Kadyrov’s Instagram.
      15. Denis fj
        +2
        10 January 2015 13: 59
        “Fitch downgraded Russia. The rating was downgraded from “BBB” to “BBB-”, this is the last stage of the investment level. ”
        Yes, there is a clear pattern: the more rhetoric about “spiritual bonds”, “special way”, “conservatism”, “stability” and “sacredness” - the lower the investment rating and the higher the level of corruption.
        1. nicollider
          0
          11 January 2015 11: 28
          More specifically, do not write the dependence of corruption on scrap or investment
      16. 0
        10 January 2015 14: 42
        I agree, they write under the dictation of the Abama
      17. +1
        10 January 2015 14: 47
        Well yes. The highest rating is the largest global debtor, USA, of course. Who would arrange that all at once they would demand a favor from them! laughing
        1. Viktor Kudinov
          +1
          10 January 2015 15: 00
          I remember that the BRICS countries were going to organize their international rating agency. It is not yet heard what appeared. But it’s important! what
      18. 0
        10 January 2015 20: 31
        there is a nuance ...

        lending agreements state that if the rating drops to a certain value, then repayment is made ahead of schedule. That is, this politically motivated decision will lead to very specific financial steps by our "probable partners" - they will require early repayment of even short-term loans.

        However, everything is not so bad. Negotiations are underway to redeem such problem loans by the Russian government, which is justified. And the total corporate debt for 2014 decreased significantly (about 35%).
      19. IlyaVatnik
        -1
        10 January 2015 22: 50
        All this bullshit !!! Personally, I believe our government and personally Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin !!!!! And they say that a dollar for a hundred or more rubles is good! So yesterday I went and sold the last 8 thousand dollars !!! That I advise everyone !!!! good
        1. nicollider
          +1
          11 January 2015 11: 31
          I hope you sold them at 74. Then I applaud, but only the flag is embarrassing. Do not you believe GDP
      20. +3
        10 January 2015 23: 48
        well lowered, so what? us at this rating, with a high bell tower ....
        1. 0
          12 January 2015 04: 02
          no, really! or I just don't understand what kind of rating it is, and why is it needed ?! and who composes them? and who needs it? the entire economic system with exchange trading is a bunch of speculators who make money out of thin air, and "rating agencies" lower or raise the speculators' rating. what are we doing there in this rating ?? Why did he surrender to us ???
      21. Shirien
        +2
        11 January 2015 02: 30
        They can’t understand that trying to put pressure on Russia is useless
    2. +7
      10 January 2015 12: 24
      All were crushed by the meritikos.
      But devouring each other began.
      All in good time.
    3. +7
      10 January 2015 12: 25
      PFFF ..... we have our own head on our shoulders, what we need, then we will do it! And these agencies are parasites and jackals!
      1. +1
        10 January 2015 12: 38
        Quote: CastorTroy
        PFFF ..... we have our own head on our shoulders, what we need, then we will do it! And these agencies are parasites and jackals!

        And what do all these "sovereign debt" and other "BBB" mean ?!
        Brains only powder, to all people with a moving psyche.
        1. 0
          10 January 2015 13: 38
          Quote: Bulls.
          Brains only powder, to all people with a moving psyche.

          If I tell my neighbor who bought a new car that he is not new, then my neighbor is not cold from my opinion - it’s not hot, in extreme cases he will send me to hell. So it is with these ratings - less need to pay attention to them.
          1. 0
            10 January 2015 17: 46
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            So it is with these ratings - less need to pay attention to them.

            And I say the same thing. Information war, and more. We are checked for lice, they think that we will flinch, that we will start to act without thought and we will make mistakes .... but to hell with them!
    4. +15
      10 January 2015 12: 25
      Well lowered and to hell with them ...! hi
    5. +22
      10 January 2015 12: 26
      Oh, these "super reliable" rating agencies - they gave a triple AAA to Lehman Brothers a day before the complete financial collapse, .... after 150 years of existence ... laughing . Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Merill Lynch were also there - everyone had the highest rating .... Somehow, after 2008, I really don't want to trust rating agencies ..
    6. Dumb
      +5
      10 January 2015 12: 26
      One more oddity should be noted. Fitch experts say that Russian banks have actually lost the possibility of lending abroad. Apparently, the term "abroad" Fitch means "in Europe and the United States"

      Well, yes, and the states, referring to themselves and Europe, mean the whole world ...
      Yes, awl in their eyes ... Take it off from us already, the reasons are sucks ... We don’t need
      in ratings.
    7. +4
      10 January 2015 12: 27
      All these offices are subordinate to the American administration. Here they give ratings as they tell them. Attempts to thereby collapse our kaurs on the exchange.
    8. +5
      10 January 2015 12: 28
      Today, the so-called "international" rating agency Fitch downgraded the credit rating of the Russian economy from BBB to BBB- (with a negative outlook

      The question arises, who authorized these agencies to make international forecasts? As I understand it, at one time this prerogative was assumed by the American "agencies", it is not clear by whom, created, but supported by the US government.
    9. +4
      10 January 2015 12: 28
      no one believes in the observance of international rights and the international organizations of past years have lost the trust of these world rating agencies as well. Who trusts them now?
    10. +5
      10 January 2015 12: 28
      Do not go fortuneteller-politically engaged ratings. And us!
    11. +5
      10 January 2015 12: 29
      This is an empty fuck, Russia is the richest country in the world, even capable of complete isolation! (Which of course will not be), to provide for itself, and to help all friendly countries who do not ask. laughing
    12. +15
      10 January 2015 12: 30
      According to estimates by the Chinese rating agency Dagong, Russia, on the contrary, has a high credit level of confidence (“A”). In the Middle Kingdom they believe that, despite temporary difficulties, investing in our country is profitable and reliable. For comparison, the US rating according to Dagong is “A-” and even with a negative outlook.
      1. +10
        10 January 2015 12: 35
        I suggest focusing on China
        1. +7
          10 January 2015 12: 41
          Reminded smiled smile
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    13. +3
      10 January 2015 12: 30
      Yes, and in their mouths legs request
      1. +2
        10 January 2015 13: 04
        Quote: andrei332809
        Yes, and in their mouths legs

        belay
        Chezh so cruel you are with themsad . Maybe you’ll start with footcloths?what
        Hi! hi
        1. +2
          10 January 2015 13: 06
          Quote: retired
          Chezh so cruel you are with them. Maybe you’ll start with footcloths?

          no, no, and legs should still be in boots
          healthy hi
    14. +3
      10 January 2015 12: 30
      Conclusion, no one can be trusted! The economic experts, charred by politics, suggest that we are not doing as badly as we would like a monkey and a White nest on a tree.
    15. +2
      10 January 2015 12: 31
      It’s bad that these cheaters got such a weight in politics and economics, because the harm is done not only to those countries about which they lie, but also hinder the general development of the economy.
    16. +8
      10 January 2015 12: 33
      Russia gained ample opportunities for lending through direct interaction with Chinese banks - and at a much lower percentage than Western “partners” suggested before Russia imposed sanctions.

      Accustomed to their own ratings draw. You know my country badly.
    17. +4
      10 January 2015 12: 33
      It’s immediately obvious that Fitch fulfilled its silver pieces by order.
    18. +9
      10 January 2015 12: 34
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Well lowered and to hell with them ...! hi

      And now what? Cost ... not to live? Is Lyolik all gone? And we have a snowball and -6 S. Lyapot!
    19. Serega125
      -1
      10 January 2015 12: 36
      Yes, for sure, they are out of envy! After all, everything is in order with the economy.
      1. +3
        10 January 2015 12: 45
        And who is in order with the economy right now? Probably in Singapore.
      2. +10
        10 January 2015 12: 46
        And in Italy with the economy "everything is in order", and in Spain, and in Greece, and absolutely "everything is in order" with that in Ukraine. But the rating dropped in Russia ...
        1. +2
          10 January 2015 13: 20
          Quote: Volodin
          , and absolutely "everything is in order" with that in Ukraine.

          Have you seen the economy there? The whole economy is reduced to one thing: Uncle, give denyuzhki! Few! Give more!
          1. 0
            10 January 2015 13: 21
            Igor, well, the irony was ...
    20. kelevra
      +2
      10 January 2015 12: 36
      Yes, all these agencies in the ass! What does it mean, absolutely nothing, stupid imposition of someone else’s opinion, in this case American, to other countries! All these agencies are located in the USA, what else can I talk about here!
    21. +3
      10 January 2015 12: 37
      So the garbage rating started first, then something else, they put pressure on our government and the whole country. But personally, I don’t care about all the sanctions, garbage ratings, etc. I am completely on the side of Putin and the fact that he is doing this is all for us RUSSIANS.
    22. +2
      10 January 2015 12: 38
      Let them draw ratings, they are intended for narrow consumption, the USA and the EU. "Writers" forget that they are not monopolists, money can be borrowed not only from their owners.
    23. +5
      10 January 2015 12: 38
      I wonder if Russia has such a rating, then what is Ukraine?
      1. +2
        10 January 2015 12: 46
        Ukraine rating: crying moody's CCC- Negative
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      3. 3axap
        +5
        10 January 2015 12: 53
        Quote: 17 number
        I wonder if Russia has such a rating, then what is Ukraine?

        I read all the comments. Well, how I love my country and fellow citizens. The Russians, you are the most, the most. Not just a single mat, insulting and abusive. Yes, we are no one and once. We are Russians. hi love
      4. +1
        10 January 2015 14: 14
        Quote: number 17
        I wonder if Russia has such a rating, then what is Ukraine?
        There was a rating below the sewer, now Russia will mark three lard and hi cockerel with a rabbit. laughing
    24. +2
      10 January 2015 12: 42
      And is this agency responsible for its words? It seems to me that only the image. So they will lose it quickly, taking up politics.
    25. 0
      10 January 2015 12: 42
      what is a feature guys are just antlers, we can also at least whom to humiliate a feature is not an indicator for us.
    26. act
      act
      +2
      10 January 2015 12: 45
      We must publish the world ratings ourselves! laughing
    27. +3
      10 January 2015 12: 46
      This agency simply fulfills the order)), the Russian economy is calm, pays all social expenses, etc., and if China is needed to help us)), the Chinese promised to help if that! wink
    28. +2
      10 January 2015 12: 49
      Quote: aszzz888
      All were crushed by the meritikos.
      But devouring each other began.
      All in good time.

      Smother murderers.
    29. +11
      10 January 2015 12: 51
      The downgrade is not such a harmless thing as it seems at first glance. Many loan agreements contain clauses on which lenders may require early repayment of loans while downgrading the country. The ratings of firms resident in this country and related requirements are also automatically reduced. It was they who aimed at the gold reserves of Russia. Which are great, but not unlimited. And to cover the total debt of both countries and corporations-will not be able. Therefore, on-lending in China - in which Russia's rating is higher than that of the mattress - is a very practical thing. It is a pity that this cannot be done instantly.
      1. +1
        10 January 2015 13: 10
        Therefore, on-lending in China - in which Russia's rating is higher than that of the mattress - is a very practical thing.

        The only question is when this was done, because such measures were needed for a long time. Obviously, the PRC for us is a much more profitable partner than the Americans, and this must be driven into each banker’s head, and if it is not possible to drive, this head must be cut off immediately (figuratively, but if you really want to, you can literally laughing ).
      2. lg41
        +4
        10 January 2015 13: 13
        The worse the rating, the higher the refinancing rate in American banks for Russia. Moreover, Russia should place (freeze) Russia on correspondent accounts with American banks in order to secure its international payments. So in reality, the downgrade of Russia is one of the blows of the United States during the modern world war, which they are waging, in particular, against Russia.
      3. +2
        10 January 2015 17: 21
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Therefore, on-lending in China - in which Russia's rating is higher than that of the mattress - is a very practical thing. It is a pity that this cannot be done instantly.

        It is not realistic to refinance in China (for such amounts), in general for some reason they perceive refinancing as some kind of panacea. but in normal terms, this is generally - collecting new debts to pay off old
        how did all these banks and state corporations collect such debts? that practically without recruiting new ones they cannot give up the old ones.
        In general - a pyramid in its purest form
        1. 0
          10 January 2015 20: 16
          Quote: atalef
          how did all these banks and state corporations collect such debts

          I don't know about state corporations, but everything is clear with banks. They simply no longer had enough of their own to meet the growing demand for loans. In the last 2 years, there has been a direct boom in consumer lending and mortgages, in addition, the May presidential decrees made themselves felt. The state took on a bunch of social obligations and hung them on the regions, many of which are subsidized. The regions, naturally, ran to the banks, because the order of the "chief" must be carried out, but there is no money. This is how they got tens of billions of dollars in debt. hi
    30. +3
      10 January 2015 12: 51
      Americans are digging a grave for themselves ... now they have discredited their "unbiased, objective and professional" before the whole world ... and now the whole world knows that all sorts of "ratings" from all kinds of "rating agencies" are complete bullshit that does not have not the slightest relation to reality
      Simply put - one more shot in the leg! absolutely, by the way, a predictable action that was "read", and this suggests that the gringo has nothing more to say
    31. +9
      10 January 2015 12: 52
      He looked into the pantry with pickles and wallet. Rating AAA +! We'll reach the fresh radish!
    32. +4
      10 January 2015 12: 52
      Don't give a damn about these "forecasters". All these agencies are a tool of pressure on economies that are undesirable to the Anglo-Saxons.
    33. +4
      10 January 2015 12: 54
      Yes and do not care !!! drinks
    34. +5
      10 January 2015 12: 56
      BBB say? So with our economy, everything is back to normal.
    35. +4
      10 January 2015 12: 57
      For example, I would not dramatize this whole situation with ratings ... They are needed for stock quotes on the stock exchange and for issuing loans by foreign banks ... Both were cut off for us in Europe and the USA, so the gentlemen from Fitch acted in agreement with their principles. How these ratings can affect the quality of sausage and pants is unknown to me, because all this is completely different matter ...
    36. +3
      10 January 2015 13: 05
      We don’t care!
    37. +3
      10 January 2015 13: 08
      And so it was clear that they would try to push on all fronts. It is naive to suppose, knowing the habits of our partners because of the Big Puddle, that they will not try to spoil wherever possible. We must poke their nose into their affairs, and not complain that they put us on the steps and wait until we fall. This is war. A la Herr - Comm a la Herr!
    38. +1
      10 January 2015 13: 09
      But should we send this Fitch to our grandmother? He looked into the cellar, and there you can still celebrate a couple of New Year holidays with chic, he called his friends, they, too, had neither a dream nor a spirit about this h.r.e. Still send ...
    39. Tribuns
      +4
      10 January 2015 13: 11
      How exactly this rating agency characterizes the translation of the English word "Fitch" into Russian: "Ferret"!
      And you don’t find, Russians, that the treachery and dishonesty of this ferretexecuting an order of the West in relation to Russia, disgusting?
    40. +4
      10 January 2015 13: 13
      There is such a channel "24 Doc", they have a documentary film (shot by foreign guys) just about what a "Rating Agency" really is. It was very informative, I especially liked the fact that the owners of these agencies themselves did not hide what they were doing and how much money they were getting and from whom. They, like stock speculators, must be squeezed. Parasites, drones, pests.
    41. 0
      10 January 2015 13: 15
      This agency with such a politically motivated report does not discredit Russia, but itself. And frankly, their reports are neither hot nor cold. drinks
    42. 0
      10 January 2015 13: 20
      Yes, external debts are corporate debts, but we will not repay Gazprom debts, for example. We will have to help the state, that is, to us. Mess, in general
    43. +2
      10 January 2015 13: 22
      Quote: TribunS
      How exactly this rating agency characterizes the translation of the English word "Fitch" into Russian: "Ferret"!
      And you don’t find, Russians, that the treachery and dishonesty of this ferretexecuting an order of the West in relation to Russia, disgusting?

      Ferrets kind of say Smelly with y to and!!! fellow
    44. +1
      10 January 2015 13: 23
      I hope the agency Fitch rating of Ukraine rolls over. And Russia was, is and will be a Great Power. Unrated by Fitch. hi
    45. 0
      10 January 2015 13: 24
      I understand their actions. All correctly evaluate. In the dolor reserve of Russia, there has been a gap through which they leak. It is a pity that they do not quote other currencies - gold, oil, ruble, yuan, drachma, etc. otherwise the rating would not have softly increased.
      *sarcasm*
    46. +4
      10 January 2015 13: 26
      Russia's rating is deep ..., more sanctions. It means that someone needs to fiddle with the rating out there who wants to move their competitors, and quietly invest themselves. In general, we look, "who stole the hat, he killed the aunt." wassat
      1. +1
        10 January 2015 14: 06
        Quote: perepilka
        Russia's rating is deep ..., more sanctions. It means that someone needs to fiddle with the rating out there who wants to move their competitors, and quietly invest themselves. In general, we look, "who stole the hat, he killed the aunt." wassat

        probably our government again to buy back the securities of our companies and not pay dividends on them ... request we’ll find out soon, they say this “Harek” affects the value of shares laughing
    47. +3
      10 January 2015 13: 27
      Russia put parting on Fitch and for political reasons, too angry angry angry angry
    48. Leonidych
      +3
      10 January 2015 13: 36
      but they would not go on an exclusive erotic walking tour with their ratings! us their opinion to the lantern, we have our own ratings ....
    49. +4
      10 January 2015 13: 42
      You say sanctions. And my friend at the knitwear enterprise doubles the number of employees (up to a thousand). This is what I understand, sanctions. Let's.
      1. 0
        12 January 2015 21: 46
        Well, as scored, and cut. Who needs this jersey? Everyone has long been stocked with clothes for years of prosperity. They will spend more on food, transport, utilities, treatment, apartments ... They will buy cheap Turkish or Chinese consumer goods. This means that the sale of goods will be bad. Credits will not be given for development; they will be transferred to part-time jobs.
    50. +3
      10 January 2015 13: 42
      in the meantime:
      The US national debt has stepped over the $ 18 trillion mark, provoking a new wave of criticism of the Barack Obama administration because of its chosen budget spending path, Fox News reports.
      According to the American channel, when Barack Obama led the United States in 2009, the national debt amounted to 10,6 trillion dollars. Thus, under Obama, it increased by 70%.
      “This is an alarming frontier for America,” said Republican National Committee chairman Raines Priebus.

      and fitch as I understand fig debt is growing faster than the economy of "light elves" although the growth is mostly paper. And more recently, there has been a tendency for the barrel of oil to fall and the exchanges of "light elves" are also serving funny however laughing
    51. -4
      10 January 2015 13: 43
      Once again the jingoistic patriots have woken up... they say Russia doesn’t care about this rating. Well, it may be profitable for someone inside the country to think so and show off. wassat
      But when foreign banks and countries consider an application for a loan (country, bank or enterprise), it evaluates the risks of non-repayment precisely thanks to the ratings! And based on the reliability rating, he sets the loan interest!..if he even wants to give money.
      Don’t like foreign rating agencies? .. so create your own, and do everything to ensure their authority WEIGHTFUL!
      Don't like the fact that political conditions are set for the provision of loans and investments? So, don’t get involved in the “hated geyropa and the United States”, because if we are so independent, including the economy, then there’s no point in going there with an outstretched hand.
      In general, it has been observed, and for a relatively long time, that many fellow citizens and authorities have some kind of schizophrenia. On the one hand, we want to be independent and independent in everything. On the other hand, we are whining and angry that all sorts of sanctions are being imposed against us. Why on earth THEM give us a loan if Russia is so aggressive towards the outside world?
      The policy of a “besieged fortress”, when there are enemies all around, which has been used since ancient times in Russia, cannot lead to anything good for one simple reason - it is not possible to force someone be in love! Putin also followed this path...if they don’t like him, let him be afraid! wassat This is a dead end, as history with the USSR has shown... but walking on a rake is an old Russian pastime...
      1. +2
        10 January 2015 19: 19
        I agree with you in many ways, but not in everything. It is not good to judge in hindsight, but the main reason for our failures is the dual policy of our leadership (in medicine - schizophrenia). You cannot annex Crimea with one hand, and in the other, economic area, remain practically slaves to the dollar. Putin did not reap the benefits of the military option and suffered a fiasco in the economy. What I disagree with. Friends love the rich and powerful (and this rule is universal), who remember in the seventies there was an economic crisis in the United States. And how many new friends the USSR made, even Portugal appeared as a friend for some time. When Gorbachev announced the end of the messianic function of the USSR, the leadership of the socialist countries perceived this as the fact that the USSR was no longer supporting them and quickly defected. So it’s the same as everywhere else, not about politics, but about finances and education.
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        1. 0
          10 January 2015 19: 37
          As long as the system of power is built on one person, the people of Russia will never live well. Authoritarianism is a road to nowhere. It is impossible to effectively manage a huge country in “manual” mode. Putin will die sooner or later (we are all mortal) and then what?...again, sharing power, cutting the budget dough, sharing...and everything in a circle until the end comes.
          You can’t live like that, the government in the country shouldn’t depend on ONE MAN! And according to our Constitution, the president is king and god. He does what he wants.
          1. -1
            11 January 2015 11: 49
            Quote: fero
            And according to our Constitution, the president is king and god. He does what he wants.

            You are on the wrong site, you are sent to censor.net
      3. -3
        11 January 2015 11: 47
        Quote: fero
        But when foreign banks and countries consider an application for a loan

        Russia doesn’t need loans and that’s it.
        1. +2
          11 January 2015 19: 39
          Tell this to the Russian companies that borrowed more than 600 lard dollars wassat
    52. +3
      10 January 2015 13: 43
      Quote: Author
      Today the so-called "international" rating agency Fitch

      Well, why bother?
      1.Fitch closes the top three rating agencies (Moody's, S&P, Fitch), founded in the USA in 1913.
      So for reference: The majority stake in the Fitch group belongs to Fimalac SA, the headquarterswhose apartment is located in Paris, France.And the headquarters of the Fitch Ratings agency is located in London.
      There is also the International Branding Agency FITCH
      2. Fitch Ratings employees working in 51 offices worldwide, have global analytical experience and knowledge of the specifics of local markets and carry out analysis of the capital markets of more than 150 countries.
      Why did our Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation only come to their senses in the spring of 2014?
      Regulatory standards of Russian rating agencies (RAs) NOT recognized European regulator ESMA (European Securities Market Authority)
      ESMA- These are all European countries and a few others that have also achieved ESMA recognition - Argentina, Brazil, Hong Kong, Mexico and Singapore.
      Quote: Author
      This rating is interpreted as the lower level of average solvency

      This is not true.
      Why stir up panic and mislead people?
      Baa3 (Moody's) = BBB- (S&P) = BBB- (Fitch)
      This is all group "B": Significant credit risks. But there is a high probability fulfillment of all loan obligations, moreover, to the “bottom” of group “B” SIX more(!) steps:B3,B-,B-
      A TO the upper (good) group "A" only THREE(!):A3,A-,A-








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      2. +8
        10 January 2015 13: 54
        ===================
        We must act in a “civilized” way, at least in Italian belay
        24.01.2012/24/XNUMX :Financial Guard of Italy on Tuesday, September XNUMX, conducted a search at the Milan office of the international rating agency Fitch Ratings. Earlier on January 19, the prosecutor's office of the city of Tranti authorized an inspection at the office of another rating agency - S&P...

        Before this, on January 18, it was reported about Fitch Ratings' plans to lower Italy's sovereign rating by two steps - from A+ to A-. Before verification by the S&P rating agency also lowered the country's credit rating.

        =========
        The Bassmanny court went on Christmas holidays and the nickname won’t “come out”?

        Well, at least since 2010, the Greek Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos, the head of the European Commission Jose-Manuel Barroso, the head of the Eurogroup Jean-Claude Juncker and a number of other officials and representatives of states have complained about this “troika”.
        + Italian authorities suspect international rating agencies ("playing" into the hands of the US government), in market manipulation, disclosure of confidential information and stock market speculation!
        An application to the OBEP, since everything is “big”, then the case is in the RF IC, court, verdict.
        ?
        1. +2
          10 January 2015 14: 53
          opus, I agree with what you wrote. +
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          2. +2
            10 January 2015 15: 29
            Quote: fero
            opus, I agree with what you wrote

            about Bassmanny judge the beginning of searches here?

            Fitch Ratings CIS Ltd.
            LightHouse Business Center
            st. Valovaya, 26
            Moscow
            Russia, 115054
            Tel .: +7 495 956 9901





            wink
            Or about accepting applications from comrades Evangelos Venizelos, Jose-Manuel Barroso, Eurogroup Jean-Claude Juncker and others, as well as from Miller (July: Fitch confirmed Gazprom's BBB rating, the prognosis is negative), as well as the initiation of criminal proceedings, according to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation:
            Chapter 21. Crimes against property
            Article 159. Fraud / paragraphs 1 and 3 /
            Article 165. Causing property damage by deception or abuse of trust / paragraph 2 av, b/

            Chapter 22. CRIMES IN THE FIELD OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY

            Article 172.1. Falsification of financial documents of accounting and reporting of a financial organization
            Article 183. Illegal receipt and disclosure of information constituting commercial, tax or banking secrets / paragraphs 3,4 /
            Article 185.3. Market manipulation/item 2/
            Article 185.6. Illegal use of insider information/clause 2/
            I AGREE hi
            =====================================

            Ehhh it’s a pity I can’t “fasten it”

            Section X. CRIMES AGAINST STATE AUTHORITY

            Chapter 29. CRIMES AGAINST THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL
            BUILDING AND SECURITY OF THE STATE
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    53. -1
      10 January 2015 13: 43
      Well, send them, these “ratings” in Russian!!!
    54. +1
      10 January 2015 13: 44
      Why be surprised: the UN, the European media, and European politicians have long been drowning in lies, even in more obvious and more significant issues, but here it’s just some kind of rating, some agency)))
    55. observer 80
      +1
      10 January 2015 13: 50
      don’t care about their ratings, let them make an adequate rating for themselves.
    56. 0
      10 January 2015 13: 57
      It seems that this is not a rating of the country's solvency, but the degree of external controllability - Italy is sitting on the hook and wants, does not want, but will pay - whatever they say. And the Russian Federation can pull out a trick.
    57. +1
      10 January 2015 14: 06
      Dear forum users! Who funds these rating agencies??? Apparently he is the one who orders this music, i.e. ratings. Well, they will give us a garbage rating, so what, WE will make a BULLET out of garbage (Mr.). Remember the RUSSIAN proverb.
    58. +1
      10 January 2015 14: 10
      Am I generally surprised? Who is this Fitch, that there is so much noise here on the forum. We live on rubles!
    59. 0
      10 January 2015 14: 22
      It is obvious that all these games with credit ratings are another example of pressure on those who are trying to pursue an independent policy in the world.

      These are not games, but a well-founded strategy against those who have already shown a soft belly. You just need to finish it off with every spoon and from every window. Well, why should anyone think that Russia is still resisting and it’s dangerous to spoil it? Mistral hangs by itself and no one demands money! They didn’t take the debt from Ukraine and they will probably be afraid to take it. Those performances that appear are for us. So that you don’t lose faith completely. Donbass and Lugansk are actually on their own. That's the whole Russian world.
    60. +1
      10 January 2015 14: 26
      laughing
      In Russia, a rating has been compiled: “Would you go to hell with your ratings!” - in which the USA confidently occupies 1st place, the EU - 2nd, Ukraine - 3rd.
    61. 0
      10 January 2015 14: 30
      A new achievement has been achieved in the United States - there are now more prisons in the country than universities and colleges. There are over 5000 prisons with a total “population” of 2.3 million (a quarter of the number of prisoners on the entire planet). In many states, the number of prisoners exceeds the number of students, with California, Florida and Arizona the champions. In some regions, the number of prisoners already ranges from 10% to 30% of the population.
    62. 0
      10 January 2015 14: 53
      IMHO great news! Let's buy up our own obligations for free wassat But unfortunately, few of the real investors and creditors pay real attention to this Western nonsense.
    63. 0
      10 January 2015 15: 18
      I can imagine a situation where they tell some Soros: you have 1$ for 100$ you previously invested in Russia and be happy, otherwise we have established a “garbage rating” here. lol Soros will spit in their and Obama's faces and laugh in their faces laughing I imagine there's a queue fellow Of those who want to buy Russian debt at a “junk price,” I’m sure people from the same rating agencies will be in the forefront.
    64. 0
      10 January 2015 15: 31
      I read almost all the reviews and came to the conclusion that Fitch is a garbage agency that is not worthy of such attention.
      1. 0
        10 January 2015 15: 51
        “The one who walks will master the road.” drinks ...Although it was possible to cut a little! laughing
    65. 0
      10 January 2015 15: 48
      I have always told everyone and will continue to say that all these agencies are like rating bullshit. And they are controlled by goats and other assholes. And all crises are the result of their “work”. And all these “independent” agencies are run by Americans. In general, pay less attention to their “reports.”
    66. Vovan - prison
      0
      10 January 2015 15: 57
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Well lowered and to hell with them ...! hi

      Right! They downgraded and downgraded! Should we baptize their children? They went somewhere and through the forest! With your demotion! We have our own things to do, we wanted these reductions! They simply can’t think of anything else to do! How else to pinch RUSSIA!!!
    67. 0
      10 January 2015 16: 04
      Wine, things are really crap for the penguins, since they sacrificed the reputation of the rating agencies. Because after this, serious investors’ ratings will no longer cause anything other than laughing. But small investors don’t use these ratings
    68. 0
      10 January 2015 16: 04
      Their Horde, and us Rat!
    69. +1
      10 January 2015 16: 06
      Quote: fkmdtn62
      In general, pay less attention to their “reports.”


      In no case. We need to shout about the corruption and bias of such agencies at all corners, without interruption, and as loudly as possible!
    70. 0
      10 January 2015 16: 13
      The Anglo-Saxons, led by Washington, fill the “image” of Russia before the eyes of the world community, but people all over the world know that this is not so, the truth about Russia is that water will find its way.
    71. -3
      10 January 2015 16: 16

      Appeal of the Slavs to Strelkov. How Russians are being scammed.
      1. +1
        10 January 2015 17: 33
        Not Slavs, but Slavs.
    72. 0
      10 January 2015 16: 18
      But we also have many companies and structures, even oil and gas bubbles, we need money, please print billions of shares in their companies and sell them
    73. +1
      10 January 2015 16: 30
      The Chinese rating agency Dagong rated Russia's creditworthiness higher than the United States.
    74. +1
      10 January 2015 16: 41
      Ratings, hoo...ig. wink I wonder what else the West will come up with. If you believe all the “ratings” of the West, then I should not have been born at all due to the lack of a country and, accordingly, a mother and father. Both mother and father are alive, God bless them, as well as your parents! . And my paternal grandfather is still alive, 92 years old. The old man is smart and has memory for his age. True, he hears very poorly. Just as he was beaten near Könisberg (his grandfather was an infantryman), his hearing did not recover after a severe concussion. What am I talking about? All sorts of “ratings” - for Western roosters, the USSR in June 41, all “ratings” in the world were allocated a couple of weeks of existence. Everyone knows how it happened.
    75. 0
      10 January 2015 16: 46
      Vladimir Vladimirovich, how do you like your “partners”?
    76. +2
      10 January 2015 16: 52
      Send this feature to hell. Admin, here we are switching to our hard-earned rubles, but on your site they offer to earn money in dollars, how is that??
    77. +1
      10 January 2015 17: 02
      What kind of “rating agencies” are these, doing some kind of garbage, being even bigger parasites than banks, because they don’t do a damn thing at all? And why does everyone fall for their forecasts? Who are they really? When the dollar collapses, what will these bastards do?
    78. +2
      10 January 2015 17: 08
      The fact that neither the United States nor the West wants to take us, Russia, seriously has become clear since the time of Yeltsin, who did a lot: with his behavior, his concessions and the pro-Western policy of Kozyrev, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, to create the impression of Russia. as a poor and economically weak regional power.... Since then, it has become a tradition that we have been relegated to the number of developing countries and countries for which Western ratings apply... and so Putin decided to show the whole world the real place of Russia on the chessboard of geopolitics .....Alas, all this went against American interests. It would be beneficial for them if they continued to bend to the West....But this is not the case...hence various negative ratings rained down on Russia....Here, after all cunning policy....to force other countries that still maintain decent relations with us to terminate them with Russia and such ratings, as well as the collapse of oil prices, are berries, judging by the targeted, evil and prohibitive financial and economic policy as far as Russia is concerned, the berries are still ahead......
    79. 0
      10 January 2015 17: 23
      There are other proposals to improve Russia's rating laughing

    80. 0
      10 January 2015 17: 31
      The matter is leading to the “isolation” of Russia from the so-called “syphilized” humanity. Their insidious plans at the ratings stage are clear: to make it difficult or prohibit Russian businesses to buy dollars and euros outside the Russian Federation to service their corporate debts. The Russian Federation as such does not need dollar loans, and no one will give them to the Russian Federation. Well, if they really want it, then we can meet them halfway. Ban the circulation of foreign currencies on the territory of the Russian Federation, introduce a stable currency backed by gold, such as chervonets. Citizens who have dollars and euros in their hands are given the opportunity to exchange them for chervonets. You can send them dollars and euros back, let them enjoy it. An unfavorable outcome of this is the termination of Russia's participation in the Eurasian Union and the closure of borders with the CIS. Maybe that's right. Our “allies” like Lukashenko and Nazarbayev are just waiting to stick a knife in Russia’s back, as Ukraine has already done: and even before the annexation of Crimea. The annexation of Crimea was a reaction to their betrayal: even under the cunning and incompetent Yanukovych, they did not think about it. Proof: the abundance of our punctures in Crimea, which would not have happened if it had been planned in advance.
      1. 0
        11 January 2015 11: 58
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        backed by gold

        But this is not necessary, it will lead to the consumption of gold reserves.
    81. 0
      10 January 2015 18: 32
      Kindergarten.
    82. 0
      10 January 2015 18: 45
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Censor went even further
      No, the censor just went...., and the US rating agencies quickly followed him.
    83. wanderer_032
      0
      10 January 2015 19: 00
      In this regard, how can one not remember M.N. Zadornov. and not ask: Are we already finished or will we flounder a little more? laughing

      Or something like this:



      laughing
      1. wanderer_032
        0
        10 January 2015 19: 30
        Meanwhile, somewhere in the States:

        The first shale oil production company in the United States went bankrupt 09.01.2015/14/16, XNUMX:XNUMX

        The Texas company WBH Energy declared bankruptcy due to falling oil prices, news agencies report. This is the first time in recent memory that an American shale oil and gas company has declared financial insolvency.

        The shale boom in the United States became one of the factors behind the crisis in the global oil market in 2014: excess supply and slowing demand caused a more than two-fold drop in prices within six months.
        OPEC, which could have reduced oil production from 30 to 27-28 million barrels of oil per day and thereby stopped the fall in prices, decided to choose a different strategy. The Gulf monarchies, which play a leading role in the oil cartel, have repeatedly stated that they have no plans to reduce oil production.
        http://www.rg.ru/2015/01/09/bankrotstvo-site-anons.html

        The great “universal people” brought down the price of oil on all world exchanges, trying to bend Russia, but before they had time to blink an eye, they themselves were bent by the Arabs who had “Armenianized” from behind. laughing
        I’m laughing nimagu !!! laughing laughing laughing

        The near future in the vastness of the States:
        laughing

    84. +3
      10 January 2015 19: 33
      Ratings... and who actually compiled them and assessed them objectively???
      Ratings depend on a group of people... who are supposedly considered specialists... in practice, as was announced in the press... the rating of a country could depend on whether such a specialist liked the local coffee or not when visiting the country.
      There are no ratings... there is a political opinion, under the guise of an opinion such as independent experts... whether to be friends with this country or not... and this is only one opinion, that of the Americans... which has nothing to do with reality.
      Real investors won’t leave... they have real ones, you can’t take away the plant, and not virtual investments... the riffraff will disappear. And they, real investors, will only benefit... no one will compete with them on the Russian market.
      But the funny thing about the situation is that companies are going bankrupt against the backdrop of the oil collapse in countries with the highest ratings... in the USA and Canada. tongue
    85. -1
      10 January 2015 19: 47
      From the title of the article
      Fitch for political reasons downgraded Russia's credit rating

      Was there no devaluation of the ruble by half? Has access to Western loans already appeared? wassat

      Z.Y. To give loans to someone who, from morning to evening, sees you as an enemy and pours all sorts of dirt into the ears of his fellow citizens, you need to be completely inadequate.
    86. poultopwar
      0
      10 January 2015 19: 59
      Fitch fulfills the order of the Eurobandits and the USA and should be completely banned in Russia!!! All those dissatisfied with the ban should be...
    87. tipik63
      +1
      10 January 2015 20: 16
      it's time to create your own "rating agencies" and promote them
    88. 0
      10 January 2015 21: 16
      To us their ratings are like a fucking door. With or without them, we are neither cold nor hot... We lived. We live. And we will live.
    89. vallex8888
      0
      10 January 2015 21: 41
      But Ukraine has a good one, when America collapses, this company will come to an end, such lying analysts don’t need anyone, they will pull out the hair on their ass because they only know how to lie.
    90. 0
      10 January 2015 21: 52
      Quote: svp67
      Quote: SarS
      used "rating slumps" to buy up Russian shares!

      It’s not worth it to amuse ourselves, we buy these stocks ourselves, although we planned to receive money from them from abroad. So, while all this is being done only to ensure that the price of our shares does not fall. There is a very difficult struggle. Highly. and if anyone thinks that they are fighting only with bullets and shells, then he is deeply mistaken, they can kill money the same ...

      Most likely, the shares are bought up for US debt securities. And here the shares are also taken into the house. Everything is taken into the house.
    91. 0
      10 January 2015 21: 52
      Fitch for political reasons downgraded Russia's credit rating
      It's already funny. Fitch for political reasons? The author is mocking.
      1. 0
        11 January 2015 12: 01
        Quote: EvilCat
        The author is mocking.

        That’s right, the decline occurred FOR POLITICAL REASONS feel
    92. 0
      11 January 2015 04: 13
      Let me make a reservation right away that I am not an expert in financial matters, but a country declaring a default means it is not possible to pay its debt obligations. Right? The main creditors are Western banks, whose loans to Russia form the basis of capitalization. That is, the announcement of a default will automatically cause a chain reaction on Western financial exchanges and crashes or very strong shocks for banks. If we remember 2008, the collapse of just a couple of banks caused the global financial crisis. What will happen then if Russia defaults? In my amateur opinion, we will live on our own means, but hard times will definitely come in the West. By the way, Paul Craig warns about this. And he also wrote that in the event of a default, Russia may well refuse to supply gas to Europe. Maybe downgrading is one of the moves in this multi-move game?
    93. 0
      11 January 2015 05: 13
      The agency is carrying out a political order, it’s not hard to guess whose. That's not even going to a fortune teller!
    94. 0
      11 January 2015 06: 01
      Fitch for political reasons downgraded Russia's credit rating


      Well...
      - and what?
      They don't write anything on the fence either.
      Sanctions have already cut off loans,
      now what difference does it make what you are like?
      rating.
      Thanks for the sanctions
      maybe we can develop ourselves
      finally.
      The main thing is not to change your mind!
    95. +2
      11 January 2015 07: 14
      When will we stop seeing partners in this gayrope? These are enemies.
    96. Alexiuss
      +1
      11 January 2015 09: 46
      If Fitch is biased, “so-called,” “international,” “run by assholes,” screwed up in 2008 with mortgage securities, and no one trusts or takes it seriously, then why is everyone so upset?
      For example, I know for sure that for the first time we will purchase products that are subject to retaliatory sanctions in other (friendly) countries at a lower price, then we will easily increase import substitution, we will receive credit in China (of course, as they rightly noted here, at lower rates). And because If we have gold and foreign exchange reserves “God bless everyone,” then there is nothing to worry about at all.
      Therefore, I personally look at the ratings of these “agencies” with a slight grin, I don’t take them seriously and breathe evenly.
    97. hly
      +1
      11 January 2015 12: 55
      Comrades, we now have a WONDERFUL opportunity to get rid of payments on Western loans, to return or rather demand repayment of debts from Kiev. Do not pay attention to the IMF’s drooling about the fact that it is not entirely fair to drive Ukraine into default. There is no need to become despondent...God thank you, bless Russia!
    98. Volga
      0
      11 January 2015 15: 51
      Listen, what did you want?! For 20 years we happily connected to the Western financial infrastructure (payment systems, rating agencies, accounting and auditing standards, placement on Western exchanges, etc.). And now, when they beat us with this infrastructure, we are shouting about political motives! You need to have your own rating agencies and not only them.
    99. Alexiuss
      0
      11 January 2015 20: 12
      Quote: Volga
      You need to have your own rating agencies and not only them.

      Exactly! One problem is that these agencies must be authoritative and recognized throughout the world and not just here. Otherwise, it will turn out like with many “of our own” sports commentators who feel that we are constantly and specifically “sueing” for political reasons.
    100. rces
      0
      12 January 2015 08: 39
      Dear visitors, why doesn’t the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation file a claim in defense of the Russian Federation against any “Rating” agencies, how much do you think the reputational damage to the Russian Federation from such statements could cost, on what basis do they act and what norm of international law are they guided by, how they have arrogated to themselves the right to establish any ratings for sovereign and independent states. This leads to the question: what are you discussing here - yet another American scammer?

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