What Russian military analysts are silent about

What Russian military analysts are silent aboutInformation and analytical publication "Centenary" published an article entitled "Libya: an unknown war of a new generation," with the subtitle: "The sensational version of Russian military analysts"


I will not dwell on the fact that almost all the revelations of these same military analysts have been discussed for half a year by a number of reputable Russian-speaking bloggers. This article, in addition to summing up the technology of NATO aggression against Libya, so to say the isolation of the "dry residue", has, in my opinion, another interesting and very important conclusion: Russia and China are full participants in the destruction of Libya.

I suspect that they will immediately object to me, they say, this is not newsThe whole world witnessed the connivance of Russia and China when they refrained from vetoing a UN resolution that practically unleashed NATO hands. However, I am absolutely not about that. I am precisely about what follows logically from the said conclusion of Russian military analysts, but what is not mentioned in a word in the article.

So, here are some quotes from this expert opinion.

"No snipers were sent there, no orders aviation it was not possible to bomb the city, and on the screen there were black puffs of smoke, the skeletons of the destroyed houses and women’s, mainly the cries of children innocently killed by the bloody dictator.

It later became clear that the mountains were puffed up by specially assembled automobile tires, and the destruction was actually cinema scenery. However, M. Gaddafi has already lost control over the situation that developed in exact accordance with the script written somewhere. "

"The real atrocities that the" rebels "repaired in Benghazi over government officials, police and military, the so-called" Gaddafists ", remained behind the scenes"

“Immediately after this, the cities of Libya were subjected to bombing attacks, real destruction began and real civilian casualties appeared. The media did not doubt that this agonizing regime decided to wipe its own country along with its entire population.”

“However, before starting the destruction of the army of the Jamahiriya,“ peacekeepers ”struck crushing blows at ... cities captured by rioters. They received the formal right to fly in the sky of Libya, the planes were high and far, so where did a swarm of rockets or heavy air bombs come from -“ the rebels "had no idea. But they, as well as the whole world, were told that it had been crept by M. Gaddafi's Grads and hit defenseless cities and residents. US special forces not only monitored the results of night raids, but, if necessary, corrected x via tend laser markers. "

It is possible to continue citing further, but even the cited material is quite enough for a very reasonable question to arise, which for some reason did not arise for Russian analysts: “Let me, but in Russia, in general, at least some kind of intelligence exists ?!” "

No, in fact, behind all this, simply clinical, lawlessness, this very obvious question somehow got lost. And really, what's going on? For many years Russia had more than friendly relations with Gaddafi, starting from the time of the USSR. Naturally, the residency of the Russian special services there have both a base, and traditions, and almost state support of the Jamahiriya. And the intelligence of the Russian Foreign Ministry, the GRU, and the SVR, and those of which we do not even guess, and the intelligence of the Russian private oligarchic structures are all represented in Libya, all have their own bases, employees, communications, information collection channels. All this existed in the days of the KGB, and only expanded over the past two decades. For this, all the conditions. Here you and the non-resistance of the authorities of Libya, here you and the old developments of the KGB, then you and the strategic market for Russia - oil and weapon, here you and a huge number of specialists from post-Soviet countries, among which it is so easy to recruit and implement agents, then you and our citizens' connections with Libyan, up to joint marriages. In general, spy - I do not want.

Considering that the leadership of the Russian Federation is completely descended from these very special services, it is difficult to assume that the intelligence in Libya was taken like this, in one fell swoop, and was buried. And if you believe the Western media, claiming that Russian leaders, who come from special services, have long become oligarchs themselves, it is obvious that in addition to government interest to stimulate intelligence in Libya, they have a personal, very bold interest here.

And in this situation, only two possible conclusions. Either one or the other, here they are.

Conclusion one

All Russian intelligence in Libya, absolutely all of the security services listed above, were not only completely incompetent, but blindly deaf and dumb. They didn’t see, didn’t know and didn’t guess that heaps of tires were burning instead of cities, that Gaddafi’s army didn’t even rip off, and it was the rebel gangs who were massacring while American planes were attacking the rebels' positions. The Russian military satellites, meanwhile, were hanging out, the devil knows where, in incomprehensible orbits, only not where NATO is deploying, in the zone of Russian interests.

Some will say that this is nonsense. Others, on the contrary, will confirm, they say, in our mess, and this is not possible. I will not argue, it is possible and possible. One thing to note: this is the most pleasant scenario if this epithet is applicable to such a disastrous state of affairs.

Conclusion two

Much more terrible. Intelligence knew all this, reported, but, nevertheless, the President of Russia and his Foreign Ministry calmly allowed America and NATO to destroy Libya, as a sovereign state, and to destroy Libyan citizens in droves. I will not even mention the moral and legal aspects here. When it comes to the global geopolitical game, the so-called "big politics" - it is ridiculous and naive to operate with such concepts. Therefore, it's not about that.

I will return once again to the article by Russian military analysts:

"The next goal is Syria. Dumping President Bashar Assad by increasing political unrest is not so difficult. But it is very important for the United States to completely defeat the army and navy of Syria. Unlike Libya, Damascus managed to arm itself with fairly modern and good technical characteristics of Russian weapons. And if it is possible to destroy all these planes, combat helicopters, armored vehicles, rocket boats and submarines, anti-aircraft missile systems, without loss, then the US Army can officially declare itself invincible.

Then it is possible to recognize the practical triumph of the theories of the network-centric war. Then the United States can safely begin the war against Iran. Then, of course, it will become clear to the world without further ado that Russian weapons that are actively bought on the world market are completely ineffective. A "extra" words, believe me, it will be said a lot. And Russian arms exports will collapse. "


So, we are talking about the near and very likely collapse of Russian arms exports. As everyone understands, we are talking about losses of billions and billions of dollars, euros, pounds. But a lot has already been said about Russia's oil losses as a result of NATO aggression and the coup in Libya. And the bill of these losses has already gone on billions. And if President Medvedev and a handful of top Russian officials, thanks to intelligence, knew it all, but quietly allowed Russia to suffer such material losses and such a loss of international influence and prestige, then it turns out that this is a matter of high treason by top Russian officials, headed by the president Russia.

Today, in Ukraine, ex-Prime Minister Tymoshenko is being tried for similar actions. Yes, they do not incriminate state treason against her, but merely exceeding official authority, which caused enormous losses for the state of Ukraine. However, de facto, it is not a secret to anyone that this is a real high treason based on personal gain. And in this situation, those same Western countries - both the USA and European countries - demand from the leadership of Ukraine not to care about the constitution, about the laws, to intervene in the judicial process, to release Tymoshenko and leave it unpunished for its crimes against Ukraine. It’s very beneficial for Tymoshenko’s West, I really don’t want to part with the billions of Ukrainian money pulled by Tymoshenko into Western banks. But Russian President Medvedev, it turns out, is exactly the same comfortable figure for the West, only the scale here is as much bigger as Russia is in Ukraine.

And here it becomes quite scary. The only means to curb the appetites of the United States and NATO remains and remains nuclear weapons. But, if all these weapons in Russia are under the control of a person who is just as convenient for the West as the Ukrainian Tymoshenko, can you really count on this lever of deterrence? Can one then speak of the existence of nuclear deterrence and a nuclear shield?

Today, many analysts, in the light of the lawless, shameless and uncontrolled aggression of NATO in the Maghreb, have started talking about the impending third world war. But it is worth asking this notorious question about Russian intelligence in Libya, as the following becomes obvious: the specter of world war is another horror story, another tool in a giant information system of duping it. Anything but the Third World. And under this refrain, under these fears, the world will calmly be divided into two categories: the lord's countries — the countries of the “golden billion” and all the rest — slave countries, sources of raw materials and labor. After all, if you can build a virtual war in one particular country, which prevents the continuation of similar within the entire globe, especially if you control the heads of many countries. In any case, the virtual coverage of the war on the scale of our ball has already worked, it remains to clean up the shortcomings.

It remains only to hope that the second conclusion is a figment of fantasy, and to calm ourselves down to our relatives, who are not at all ex-Soviet, a mess. But something is not very successful.
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  1. Styx
    Styx 8 September 2011 08: 25 New
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    If even the Russian Federation opposed the operation to destroy the Gaddafi regime, all the same, no one would have paid attention to it !!! The authority and world influence of the Russian Federation is absolutely not comparable with the influence of the USSR.
    In 1956, during the Suez crisis and the attempt to unleash a war against Egypt by Britain, France and Israel, Khrushchev clearly said: "If at least one shell hits the territory of Egypt, the USSR will deliver a nuclear strike against Britain, France and Israel." And no one dared !!!
    Now they do not respect us and do not reckon with us.
    You know, it’s a shame for the state ..
    1. AleksUkr 8 September 2011 18: 05 New
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      I completely agree. Not only Russia is not the USSR, but the rulers of Russia do not correspond in their activities to what they are trying to say, or rather not to declare, but whisper, in the hope that someone can hear them. Empty hopes. The people of Russia hinder everyone, they only need what is available on the territory and in its bowels. Not without reason were applications for Siberia, and now they still want to declare the Northern Sea Route international. When the USSR was in office, no one would have hinted. And now they wipe their shoes about us ...
    2. APASUS 8 September 2011 19: 42 New
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      Quote: Styx
      If even the Russian Federation opposed the operation to destroy the Gaddafi regime, still no one would have paid attention to it !!

      This is the result of our pseudo-democratic reforms! Instead of supporting Gaddafi with weapons, we quietly look at and heed the words from Washington. We were even allowed to recognize the PNS.
      Lived !!!!
  2. 916-th
    916-th 8 September 2011 08: 34 New
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    Another contribution to the treasury of evidence of the anti-state and self-serving orientation of the activities of modern power structures in Russia.

    Will the dialectic laws work in this case? Will the growing amount of evidence turn into a high-quality awareness by the majority of the country's citizens of this unfortunate fact?

    Or is everyone already on the drum? Or has the majority of the people already adapted, adapted to the schemes of life and social relations imposed from above? Does it do the same thing as power, to the best of its abilities and capabilities?

    If so, then the real situation is even more catastrophic than the author allows.
    1. Igor Vladimirovich
      Igor Vladimirovich 8 September 2011 11: 00 New
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      Is it any wonder?
      After all, the people swallowed the history of Kursk. Alas, the loot steers, and the people for the most part nervously smokes on the sidelines.
  3. Foamas 8 September 2011 09: 11 New
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    Curve article, one confusion. Information-analytical publication "Century" with a rating close to zero (see Openstat.ru), author Sergey Ptichkin ....... a prominent analyst. Hehe ...
  4. lokdok
    lokdok 8 September 2011 10: 54 New
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    The article. Why should we rest against Libya. I do not agree to take up the machine because of some kind of Libya. I do not care about Gaddafi and his natives. Now, if, when our citizens were evacuated from there, Kadafi would have loaded 300 tons of gold on our ship, then it would be possible to provide political support, but not military support. Let's be honest - this is not our colony, but French.
    1. Buivol
      Buivol 8 September 2011 11: 14 New
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      The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Well, if not a friend then an ally for sure. And to support an ally is in my interests.
    2. jamert
      jamert 8 September 2011 12: 48 New
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      Libya in the years 1911-1944 was an Italian colony. And until 1911 - the Ottoman. The French have nothing to do with it.
    3. Asmoday 8 September 2011 14: 32 New
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      Perhaps you do not know, but a very large number of servicemen from the Soviet Union still served in Libya. and the attitude to the Russians there as to brothers, not a couple to many of our fraternal peoples from the same western Ukraine. And based on geopolitical judgments, Russian Railways, Gazprom, and so on. they lost a lot of their investments, but this is still an excuse for state-owned companies ... and unfortunately, our government has not shown its best side.
    4. AleksUkr 8 September 2011 18: 10 New
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      It’s not really Libya, but what will happen in this not the poorest country in all of Africa. The greed of the USA, France, England and other jackals knows no borders. There are interests everywhere. In this way, with our connivance and us they’ll try to put in a pose. And how and with what we will defend ourselves, all the more so as the people do not shine with patriotism. something awaits us?
      1. Foamas 8 September 2011 19: 22 New
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        What kind of tantrum? From whom to defend? Nobody is going to attack us. Do not breed panic.
        1. ytqnhfk
          ytqnhfk 15 September 2011 23: 28 New
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          The article almost openly says that after Syria in which MUCH MODERN Russian weapons can almost calmly attack us because they will prove in practice the failure of our defense and other military equipment, if they are able to neutralize the retaliatory nuclear strike.
  5. Banshee 8 September 2011 11: 22 New
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    Article ... yes, article ... Opinion. For some reason it seems to me that the valid and correct second option. Alas. Such a feeling.

    Quote: lokdok
    I do not agree to take on the machine because of some Libya.


    We can not agree with your opinion. I would not want to. Yes, this is not our former colony, for some reason Russia has never had them. And there is nothing for our soldiers to do there. BUT: for such things (as already shown by England and France) there are PMCs. And with their help one could try to "render assistance" ... The situation would be hilarious ... "Blackwaters" against "Black Wind" ...

    Although ... I think that for such things it would be necessary to poshkat in the barn at Kadyrov. I think there would be someone. Able (and only possible) to fight, with experience and training. And the country would benefit, and the militants (the former) would have a deal.
    I don’t know well this people, to be honest, maybe I’ve overdone it in some ways, but my opinion is that the Chechens just love to fight the most. What the question would be, they would give, and the wolves would be fed, and they would support the reputation.
    And no particular problems in the case of pale.

    Quote: lokdok
    Now, if, when our citizens evacuated from there, Gadhafi would load tons of 300 gold onto our ship, then political support could be provided, but not military.


    Well, it's just prostitution. It is now our girls are not bells, but such an option - Leningrad definitely.
  6. figwam 8 September 2011 11: 35 New
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    It’s fat to live like the West, the whole world can’t. Always some countries will live off others, if it has arrived somewhere, it has disappeared somewhere. To maintain its standard of living, the West will suppress those countries that can become competitors in influencing the development of the world, including weapons. Russia's policy in the trash.
  7. Banshee 8 September 2011 11: 47 New
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    Quote: figvam
    West will suppress those countries that can become competitors in influencing the development of the world, including weapons.


    And when "those" countries run out, what will happen?
    1. solodova 8 September 2011 14: 47 New
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      I think the question is rhetorical .... But I will not be mistaken if I say - we will, apparently. In Europe, money ran out of the colonies, so they embarked on a crusade.
      When those squeeze out the turn for us.
      1. Banshee 8 September 2011 15: 10 New
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        Well, they would say that it is provocative. Yes, I provoked, and I'm not going to hide it.
        1. solodova 8 September 2011 15: 23 New
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          Well then, it also provoked Figwam smile . and the author of the article too.
          The trouble is that many consider the issue with Libya as unreasonable neighbors - the neighbor’s house is on fire, well, figs with him, but they don’t think about the fire.
          1. Banshee 8 September 2011 15: 47 New
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            No, I provoked ... It turned out that the Patriot provoked out ...

            Yes, this is trouble. The house at the neighbor is burning - it is necessary to extinguish. Although ... It depends on what kind of neighbor. There are such neighbors that their house is on fire, and around all the button accordions reach ...

            But grief (that is, worse trouble) when it is an occasion for performances in the style of the Patriot. "Aaaa !!! We were betrayed !!! Everything is on the streets !!! We are going to shout, but they will not listen - we are going to smash !!!" Well and so on.
            You don't need all this. Yelled already in 91 ...

            You need to think, what to say and what to do. To talk to. And, preferably, to think a head.
            1. solodova 8 September 2011 16: 17 New
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              As for the goods, I nevertheless agree with him, offhand three Lipetsk enterprises Indesit Stinol Ariston (one share), a set of Russian workers to work on the conveyor. Ford system. Hundreds of people screw their nuts and get dumber every day. Made in Russia ... Sold in Russia, as a factory, which also brings everything to its workers. Hi juice of Lebedyansky bottling, now a product of the Russian division of PepsiCo. ! The Chicken Kingdom is the production of bush legs at home, only without formalin. All technologies from America. Money earned from sales becomes a financial funnel into which Russian manufacturers are drawn.
              Stupidly - the blades "Sputnik" - procter if he was out of place with the gamble .... they even pick up such a trifle ...

              Here, I agree with you at the rallies, guys with crowd control technologies will join the crowd and we’ll all go to beat Jews, Caucasians, Spartak fans, no matter who, and we’ll be sure that we are doing the right thing.
              1. solodova 8 September 2011 16: 29 New
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                And don’t worry about provocations, the Patriot just wrote the same thing under a different article ... It’s just gotten pained by the people, but it’s better to keep emotions for now.
      2. AleksUkr 8 September 2011 18: 13 New
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        That's right. The case is small - they are still holding back our nuclear weapons. But in fact, we are achieving what was created in the USSR. And his service life is not unlimited.
        1. Varnaga 8 September 2011 20: 11 New
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          AleksUkr, in the madhouse open day? I hope this time ruining the air to your crow, you will not rush into the bushes?
          A specific question is to determine the level of development, although it is obvious. To what extent have the storage and use of the Tridents been extended?
  8. Patriot
    Patriot 8 September 2011 14: 07 New
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    Comrades. Tell me. How much more will we endure? Aren't you tired yet?

    It is necessary to take to the streets and protest against the current government. Is it really not clear. She does not have the right to exist in RUSSIA.
    Otherwise, a horse. Otherwise, medveputy will continue the collapse of the Russian Federation. Moreover, the Russian people need to unite with Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan. And create your own economic and customs space. Is it really not clear that the gdp plan and I will give it is clearly sharpening our economy under a raw materials appendage. Take a look around. Open your eyes. What do you buy Russian apart from products? What? All somehow complicated things produced in other countries. Where the level of technology development and labor productivity are higher. And, of course, in these countries the cost is lower.
    And if we are drawn into the WTO, then that's it. THIS WILL BE THE LAST IMPACT ON OUR SICK COUNTRY FROM DIMA AND VOVA.
    Further there will be a point of no return.
  9. Banshee 8 September 2011 15: 34 New
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    So let's just no yelling like this.

    Yes, tired. Yes, patience to the end is probably appropriate. And perhaps in the near future it will be necessary to act. But not as you suggest.

    You are offering:
    1. Stupidity, because going out on the street with such slogans will stupidly lead to the dispersal of such a "investing". I would break up. Moreover, to go and protest, you need to have not only complaints, but also a clear plan. Not just what goes before, but what comes after. And what would entail such actions.

    2. A provocation that will only lead to the separation of the lambs from the goats, in favor of the ruling regime.

    In general, all this is "Kill the Jews, save Russia", "Everything on the square, let's go yell!" and so on ... That somehow smells unpleasant. Provocative. Yes, and the arguments you have, dear, not so hot, to be honest.

    Quote: Patriot
    What do you buy Russian besides products? What?

    For example, for the last year:
    1. Car. Volkswagen. Assembled in Kaluga.
    2. Paint station. Collected in Tula.
    3. Television. Assembled in Voronezh.
    4. Food processor. Assembled in Rossosh, Voronezh region.
    5. Water-lifting station to the cottage. Collected in Serov.

    Enough? Or are all these things so simple that even Russian can collect them?

    Quote: Patriot
    All somehow complicated things produced in other countries.

    Found that not all.

    Quote: Patriot
    Where higher level of technology development and productivity of labor. And, of course, in these countries the cost is lower.


    Two for example can be?
    1. Varnaga 8 September 2011 20: 13 New
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      Do not pay attention, dear. A salary patriot is such a patriot. IM would be a good duet with AleksUkr.
  10. Patriot
    Patriot 8 September 2011 16: 36 New
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    Banshee

    I envy you. You are a happy person. But, a little naive, excuse me.
    For, all this is a screwdriver assembly and EVERYTHING! Moreover, even drugs allegedly produced in Russia are released from foreign, mainly Chinese components.
    YES and your Car and TV certainly do not have a single Russian part. The remaining positions, probably also at least half of the Chinese parts.
    Regarding the level of technology development and labor productivity ....
    WERE ANYWHERE AT A RUSSIAN PRODUCTION-factory or factory? If not, I won’t even give you the examples you want. You just need to visit. If so, then you were probably not very careful.
    1. slan
      slan 8 September 2011 20: 06 New
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      Have you been to a Chinese factory or factory? Have you seen the Chinese at all? God forbid we compete with them in this))
      1. Banshee 8 September 2011 21: 16 New
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        I worked at one time in two factories. Medical.
        One of them has been releasing medicines so far. I will say for sure that there was no Chinese raw material there. It does not pass on our guests, and there is no particular desire to catch an article on such a topic as drugs. Somehow still cope.

        The second at first did syringes. On the Ukrainian thermoplastic machines. Khmelnitsky plant. It was cheap and very angry. In terms of quality. In a sense, shit. But very cheap shit.
        Then they switched to the Italian lines. Quality yes, you can not argue. The price ... the price ruined the whole thing, since it was impossible to charge the Italian machines with raw materials that the Ukrainian people ate and did not choke.

        On the other hand, here is to take the WHA ... There are almost all our details (probably). But, as a person associated with working in cars, for me it is better to have a screwdriver assembly than this ...
    2. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 15 September 2011 23: 43 New
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      I visited the Izhora plant in Kolpino at one time (it’s the one that produces rotors for nuclear power plants and circuits for them); in 2005, the plant was fulfilling an order for India, and not so long ago there was a report on television that it entered at 5 -ku factories on the planet that can cook steel of a new generation, the development was carried out for 5 years and there are many such examples if you look and see.
  11. Aktium
    Aktium 8 September 2011 16: 43 New
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    Article opinion. Throughout the pro-Putin. Here is a hitting on Tymoshenko. And Yanukovych (Putin’s friend and protege), apparently a good man and no harm to Ukraine. It’s kind of “white and fluffy.” And he has 7 education classes and caps in I stole youth - that’s normal. Like Kadyrov is the President of Chechnya with three classes of education. But ... but Putin’s man.
    The funny thing is that none of the “dear Russians” wants to believe that Gaddafi is a CIA protege and the whole Jamahiriya is a development of the same CIA (Noriega was also a US protege until he began to show his teeth - the Panama Canal also important for the United States, as is Suez).
    That is why the United States dragged on for so long with the start of the military operation. And then they began to bomb the "rebels".
    And by the way, note that all these "revolutions" take place in countries where the majority of the population are Sunnis.
    So I think in Iran it will not work for them. Most Shiites are there. The experts have a mistake.
  12. slan
    slan 8 September 2011 19: 56 New
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    Today, in Ukraine, ex-Prime Minister Tymoshenko is being tried for similar actions. Yes, she is not charged with high treason, but only with abuse of power, resulting in enormous losses for the state of Ukraine. However, de facto, it is no secret to anyone that this is real treason, based on personal self-interest.

    The author is -deleted- and -deleted-, but much worse- Ukrainian. What is treason? Signed an agreement on a phased transition to market prices?)) So, what is the price of this article ..
  13. Owl
    Owl 8 September 2011 20: 17 New
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    The attitude of the "rulers" of Russia towards the "establishment of democracy and the distribution of freedom" in a number of countries in Africa and Asia has shown who is really trying to rule the world, if China and Russia did not want to veto the aggressive plans of the governments of NATO countries, then leverage over Russia and China were involved. It’s no secret that the main reasons for the aggression against Muammar Gaddafi is the arrival of Chinese capital in Libya, and the Russian naval base and service point is to blame for the Syrian “problems”. The worst thing is that the Russian people "rulers" of Russia have been selling and exterminating constantly since 1991.
  14. Superduck
    Superduck 8 September 2011 21: 04 New
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    An article on the topic.
    http://lenta.ru/articles/2011/09/07/cables/
    True or not, let everyone decide for himself. I personally do not trust these guys (Wikileaks), but there is no smoke without fire, what is said there is completely invested in what was done or not done.
  15. Marat
    Marat 8 September 2011 22: 02 New
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    Dear Patriot!
    I cannot see you as an adversary - your positions are very close to both me and the Banshee. I also sympathize with the Communists and urge to vote for the Communist Party.

    I, like you, believe that the first steps necessary for salvation are the unification of at least several republics and the turn of power from the oligarchs towards the people and interests of the state. I also think that Parshev is right - that Russia is “doomed” to socialism because of climate and geography

    We all clearly see that the collapse of the Union and the oligarchs with their "privatization" brought the country to the edge - in all sectors without exception, complete collapse.
    And we understand that some improvement in the situation is by no means connected with the advantages of the "free market" but with a gift in the form of oil prices

    But the situation will not improve in any way if we "rock" the boat - you can’t call people to the barricades. I join the Banshee in an attempt to somehow soften your position. We should not be in the same camp with enemies like Khodorkovsky Novodvorskaya Kasparov and other "favorites of the Echo of Moscow"

    Perhaps you read - Starikov’s "from the Decembrists to the Mujahideen" clearly proved the involvement of the British secret services in all the "revolutionaries"
    Let's not be with them at the same time

    And I and many here on the site (talking about communists or sympathizers) have repeatedly emphasized the importance of not crossing the "border" - so that it doesn’t work out — we hit the authorities — but we hit the country and people
    1. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 15 September 2011 23: 56 New
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      Well, but I already started to think that we Russians have absolutely no reason, THANKS TO YOU, I understand there are still people who THINK how it is reasonable to correct the situation ?! !! Right before you do it you need to think, and having decided to implement it and still think !!