At the intersection of history and modernity

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In May, 2015 will be marked 445 years from the moment of the emergence of the Don Cossacks. This anniversary is not a round date, but it is an important reason to think about the path of an entire people, scattered across several regions and countries. Namely, whether the Cossacks will remain original or turn into a crowd, entertaining rare tourists and distinguished guests. Relations of the free people and the central authority were never simple. The imperial power on the Don was disliked because it deprived the Cossacks of their almost unlimited freedoms. The Soviet authorities sought to exterminate the Cossacks. The current federal government is suspected of conducting an unofficial policy of ethnic replacement by people from the Caucasus, which is sometimes directly stated at Cossack assemblies. There are other questions. Understanding the reasons for such a distrust is easy to understand, if you remember history Don relations and Russian rulers.



The first mention of the Don Cossacks in the official version is dated 1570 year. From this date is generally accepted countdown. But actually organized settlements arose much earlier. For the first time they are mentioned 1444 year. The local Cossacks were called "Ryazan". Don Cossacks did not recognize any power over themselves, except for their own self-government. Living in open space, they learned to defend themselves from restless neighbors. For these purposes there were fortresses well protected by moats and stakes, reinforced with small cannons. Short days in these fortresses were often only men.

The absence of the state, and, consequently, of taxes, allowed the Don Cossacks to become unprecedentedly rich not only by the standards of Russia, but also by most of Europe of that time. Solid wooden houses were owned by almost every member of the village. Even a small village had hundreds of horses and thousands of cows - this is evidenced by the sources of neighboring peoples who raided for such attractive prey. On average, each Cossack had twenty horses and up to thirty cows, not counting other cattle. An ordinary Russian peasant, Yaroslavl or Vologda, neither in those years, nor later could he have imagined such wealth. Cossacks reached their highest economic prosperity on the eve of the epoch of Peter the Great.

But new times were coming. The self-sufficient owner, who was the Don Cossack, was disliked by the autocratic government, trying with all its might to deprive him of not only his property, but also traditional freedom. Soon, according to Peter’s personal order, spies began to be sent to Don to find out the number of fugitives, as well as the general state of affairs on free land. According to rumors, Peter himself was here too, and he didn’t like the freedoms much. An open intervention followed: the Cossacks were forbidden to elect atamans, create new towns, give out all the fugitives who came from 1695 of the year, etc. The demands overwhelmed the patience of local residents. A riot arose, with unprecedented cruelty suppressed by the troops. Forty-four towns along the Medveditsa and Khopru were destroyed with the complete extermination of the local population. According to various estimates, up to 20 000 Cossacks alone, not including alien people, was killed. Free Don survived this terrible slaughter, although the will on him from now on was significantly diminished. The Cossacks bypassed their traditional ingenuity to ban the founding of new villages: they began to build farms, and as far as possible from the villages (up to several tens of versts), away from power. At the same time, the villagers still treated the village, although there were also farms far beyond the village itself.

Up until the First World War, the Don Cossacks were an important part of the military power of the empire. Cossack served as alternation: four years in a campaign and four houses, and got to the place of service independently. The regiments of the first stage in peacetime served on the border, the regiments of the second stage were already in stock, at home. At least the following fact speaks about the development of economic life: in total, only in Pyatizbyanskaya and Golubinskaya villages there were about 80 thousand livestock. Alone warrior horses accounted for more than two thousand for each settlement. Also, each village had up to thirty mills, numerous baths, and one good-quality church.

Over the past thirty many serious scientific monographs have been written about the tragedy of the Cossacks on the Don during the Civil War. The exact death toll is still unknown. Part of the Cossacks fled abroad, while those remaining in Russia harbored hatred for the new government, aggravated by forceful rasskazachivaniem and hunger of the thirties. As a result, several thousand Don Cossacks fought during the Great Patriotic War on the side of Nazi Germany.

The next relative flourishing of the Don Cossacks came at the end of the eighties - the beginning of the nineties, when it received the support of the authorities, but after a few years the activity had come to naught. Cossacks again began to be divided into natural and unnatural, registered and non-registering, red and white. An ambiguous attitude has developed in the society and towards the so-called “burdened” Cossacks, who have become an integral part of any major celebration. In fact, the fashion for "mummers" was dictated "from above," where plans for "cultural development" and "interethnic peace" are carried out in a similar way.

The inertia and contradictions of our era have not bypassed other parts of public life. Many modern Cossacks see their mission solely in preserving cultural traditions, focusing on traditions and history, as well as accepting to Cossacks the largest number of members to maintain law and order in individual cities and pages. Others, although their minority, pose the question radically: the creation of their own Cossack state. Despite the fact that amendments to the legislation of the Russian Federation made calls for the secession of any territory illegal, such ideas continue to be voiced from the stands from time to time. Back in the early nineties, there was talk of creating, if not a state, then at least a Cossack autonomy, on the status similar to the national republics of the Russian Federation. The third group of the Cossacks in general ignores any social activity, considering it to be a meaningless occupation. These people do not single out their cultural identity.

In the last ten years, new Cossack associations may appear. On the basis of sports and military-historical clubs for youth, educational work is being carried out. Conducted serious historical research. Members of Cossack societies are actively involved in public life, running for local self-government, writing books, creating people's guards, participating in social patrols with the police for disadvantaged families. In some rural settlements are taken under the patronage of the school. Thus, while there is talk about whether to be or not to be the development of the Don Cossacks, the movement goes by itself, and life itself suggests its direction.
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  1. -8
    9 January 2015 08: 43
    Your grandfather was a Cossack, your father is a Cossack son, and you are horseradish!
    That says it all!
    Wearing raspberries, raspberries, and grandfather regalia, farmers to protect, just to not work.
    1. +15
      9 January 2015 12: 30
      It can be seen that for some at the genetic level, the backs and buttocks from Cossack nagas hurt. On behalf of all the Don Cossacks, I invite you to the Don, here tell us which of us is horseradish. And there are enough fools of mummers everywhere, you all in Muscovy are all nobles and counts.
      1. +11
        9 January 2015 15: 36
        Dear Nick. Alex SU You are wrong Mr. Krasin is not one of the counts, judging by the sharpness of his judgment, this is the grandson of a kosher shoemaker from Berdichev.
        1. +12
          9 January 2015 18: 05
          Yes, it is, only the circumcised polls hate the Cossacks, and this despite the fact that in the hands of the sons of Israel the death of millions of Russians and the terror in the Don. As soon as you say that the fifth howl rises immediately: pogroms, pogroms, and the translation of the topic anywhere, the main thing is not to recognize the responsibility of your people for the genocide of Russian people. This strategy is clearly visible even in Ukraine. Bokai, Waltzmans, talk about the death of a hundred Maidan, ignoring tens of thousands of residents of Donbass. Only Bandera deceit is not worth it, you are the same for the circumcised as the Russians.
      2. +12
        9 January 2015 16: 47
        Where were the Cossacks in the Kushchevskaya village? Why didn’t they reveal anything to Tsapok and his gang?
        1. +6
          9 January 2015 17: 32
          I am afraid you will not receive an answer.
        2. +6
          9 January 2015 18: 20
          Quote: albert
          Where were the Cossacks in the Kushchevskaya village? Why didn’t they reveal anything to Tsapok and his gang?

          The answer is simple, you just need to know who the prosecutor, the police chief and the governor were. People are famous even now, and who brought Tsapok to the inauguration of the president, these are not Don Cossacks, but Kuban.
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      4. +3
        10 January 2015 12: 13
        Quote: Nick. Alex.
        you over in Muscovy

        On a business trip in Moscow, we went with the right person to the Kupets restaurant. Two men came down with a proposal to perform Cossack songs. As it should be for everyone who sings and dances, a naked shoulder strap with two gaps, songs of his own composition. I asked (already a little drunk) what they had to do with these epaulettes and, in general, with the Cossacks. They confessed that there was none. He advised me to put on a caftan, get a haircut under the pot, take an accordion and perform Moscow songs. Send away.
        1. +5
          10 January 2015 12: 28
          We also have a corresponding attitude towards such mummers. The real Cossack is distinguished not by form, but by content. For clowns clinging to themselves non-existent regalia, I treat it just like clowns. It would never have occurred to me to put on my great-grandfather George, grandfather's orders and medals for the Great Patriotic War. Let them lie in a box. But you need to know your history, culture, the same songs. And in order to understand the soul of our people, one should not sit on the Internet, but come to the Don, visit Starocherkassk and Novocherkassk, Azov, Veshenskaya. Maybe clarification will come.
          1. 0
            11 January 2015 15: 00
            Quote: Nick. Alex.
            visit Starocherkassk
            Is the annual holiday still held there?
            1. +1
              11 January 2015 16: 35
              It is held monthly from May to September. The exact dates can be found on the Starocherkassk website.
  2. +6
    9 January 2015 08: 46
    from the Don.
    Power, AUTHORITY, does not allow the Cossacks to be reborn — it is afraid of independent, self-sufficient, independent!
    1. +9
      9 January 2015 08: 56
      afraid of independent, self-sufficient, independent
      oh!

      Clowns in power? Yes, there are enough of them.

      To talk about today, you need to turn to yesterday. If you study the materials of the Civil War, you can see that there was a big discord in the "white" movement, and there was unity in the "red" movement. In the “white” movement, someone was for parliament, someone for the monarchy, someone for the constituent assembly.

      There was a category of officers who allegedly fought for one thing, but inside they bit for power. Krasnov did not understand Denikin, together they did not understand Kolchak, and the marching chieftains who conducted military operations did not understand them all taken together. Those had a struggle for power, for superiority, and for people - for survival. Therefore, the "white" movement lost.

      We have the same thing today. Someone came to the register army in order to earn money, someone - to get a high chair and through it controls, levers of influence on society and do their thing. Someone came to receive land, subsidies, privileges, and someone is fighting for the idea. Therefore, they will never find a common language.
      (http://militariorg.ucoz.ru/publ/publ_1/kazak_ehto_tot_kto_ne_plachet_kogda_ego_




      pletju_bjut / 15-1-0-43693)
      1. +1
        9 January 2015 09: 19
        from the Don.
        Do you think all the people are clowns?
        1. +16
          9 January 2015 09: 40
          Do you think all the people are clowns?

          Seen enough of them in the 90's in the Volga region.
          He worked with one "chieftain". Before "rendering", under a bottle, he made speeches about what Cossacks could be in the Volga region, that there were only archers, and he himself was a descendant of the Mari kart. A year has passed. Ataman with stripes, true "Orthodox", etc. etc.
          And there is no need to distort dear, I consider only your top clowns to be clowns. Hanging with "branzulets", regalia and titles. And climbing to the trough. By deeds it is necessary to prove, and not by sight and throat - your Cossacks.
          1. +7
            9 January 2015 11: 40
            from the Don.
            To the top: venal: I don’t speak either. I speak for the people. When everything was raining, when I was drunk, they suddenly started talking about the revival of the Cossacks. You don’t need to have seven spans in your forehead, it’s clear why. Everything settled down, a bang movement began, registry and not registered. Who benefits? A lot of money falls out in the Caucasus, we are not even allowed to earn money. In the early 90s, we created a land fund of 20000 ha for the Cossacks in our area, but for some reason it quickly evaporated as directed from above, then I mean, from Moscow. And to live on earth and not have it, not have an income to support a family, all the talk about rebirth is good intentions!
            1. +2
              9 January 2015 11: 44
              Quote: borisjdin1957
              In the early 90s, in our area a land fund of 20000 hectares was created for the Cossacks, but for some reason it quickly evaporated from Moscow from above, that is, from Moscow. But to live on the earth and not have it, not have income, that would contain family, all talk of rebirth, good intentions!


              This is what we’re talking about, go serve the Cossack, and the earth is to you ..... and the earth doesn’t need you to go! A Cossack without land is not a Cossack.
    2. -2
      9 January 2015 15: 24
      And who destroyed the Cossacks?
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    4. 0
      9 January 2015 21: 43
      dear, why rebuild it? can you clearly explain?
      For example, my great-grandfather and grandfather carried stripes, in Civil one great-grandfather for the whites was the red commander - the award-winning revolver in the family is still kept by the uncle. So the red commander forbade his sons to even think about stripes! Now I understand why I banned, and you?
      1. -3
        9 January 2015 23: 32
        But what is there to understand, I was afraid of losing my position or thundering in the camps. Then it was fashionable to deny relatives. And now, I’m looking, an apple has not fallen far from an apple tree ...
        1. 0
          10 January 2015 12: 22
          In general, I have not heard any specifics from your brother of the HILITARY Cossacks ...
          1. 0
            10 January 2015 12: 31
            What specifics do you need? Arguments and documents do not matter to you, so I see no reason in continuing the dispute.
            1. 0
              10 January 2015 13: 31
              you behave like a typical troll - you accused me of allegedly not needing arguments in favor of the revival of the Cossacks and rushing to close the conversation ..) But do not rush, I’m still ready to listen to your arguments, if you have any, be a Cossack at least once in your life - justify your position.
              1. +2
                10 January 2015 14: 11
                I'm a little old for the troll, the sixth dozen are already coming. I was born a Cossack, and they will die. And the arguments are simple and, by the way, apply not only to the Cossacks, but to the entire Russian people:
                1. Reviving culture, we are reborn as a civilization lost during the 20th century.
                2. Knowing our historical roots, we inherit the heroic past of our ancestors (to the question of the Ivanes who do not remember kinship).
                3. Preserving the traditions and culture of each nation, we preserve our identity. Respecting the history and traditions of each nation, we gain respect for our own.
                4. Reviving the national-cultural heritage, on its basis we educate a new generation - not on negation, but on creation. Not a generation of Pepsi and iPhones, but a generation of patriots and warriors.
                5. For history, even the smallest nuance is important. Russia is composed of many nations. Reviving and preserving them, we do not destroy, but, on the contrary, strengthen our country. Let the Cossack call himself Cossack, Tatar - Tatar, Pomor - Pomor, etc. This will not make anyone worse.
                This is in general terms.
                1. +6
                  10 January 2015 19: 10
                  on all your points absolutely everything will agree, but in the case of the Cossacks - this is the very case when not a path, but a wide such freeway to hell, spreads with good intentions. I will try to explain.
                  The most basic and fundamental reason is your postulate that the Cossacks are a separate people. You know, in fascist Germany in 41-45gg Cossacks were considered descendants of the Goths, and thus the Russian character of the Cossacks was denied.
                  This begs the natural question: how are you going to revive the WHOLE Russian people if, according to your theory, the Cossacks are not Russians? Sly however ... intentionally or deliberately I do not know - God will judge you.
                  But even if we leave the Cossacks within the framework of the Russian people, but bring them to a separate estate as under the tsars, the following will turn out:
                  To serve Russia now it’s not at all necessary to be a nobleman, a Cossack or anyone else — and this, as I understand it, my ancestor the red commander was proud of ... Service is a privilege, it is an honor for a citizen. And after 17 years, ALL citizens own this privilege - regardless of origin, thereby increasing the requirements for candidates for service ... You, in your desire to restore something there by will or not, again start the process of inequality ...
                  "Here I am, after all, a Cossack of the old clan from HOME BLEAT !! I AM ILITA !! And let us slice the land for me, and I'll serve it .... then anyhow" - this is what your "revival" will lead to.
                  I am not against the Cossacks, somewhere in the depths of my soul I remember my roots and am proud of my ancestors, what was the main function of the Cossacks under the king? Cossack troops have always been on the outskirts of the state on the outskirts of the Russian world ... But let's be objective: everyone fought in the Great Patriotic War, absolutely everything, and showed themselves to be no worse than the Cossacks in the good old days, agree this? We have a hero in every family - a Cossack after that war .. Why is a guy from Tambov worse than a guy from Rostov? Why can't a guy from Tambov be proud of the exploits of the Russian Cossacks? Indeed, this guy from Tambov’s grandfather and great-grandfather defended their homeland no worse or even better than the Cossacks ...
                  That’s basically my argument.
                  As a parenting and auxiliary functions for the maintenance of public order - yes! Cossacks be! As a separate people, or a privileged estate - in no case!
                  1. 0
                    10 January 2015 22: 16
                    It's nice to talk with a smart person. Yes, we believed and still believe that the Cossacks are a separate people. but it’s a derivative of the Russian people, it’s the same as Little Russians, Belorussians, etc. We have one faith, one tradition, one saint. And if several idiots are trying to exalt Ataman Krasnov, then these are only idiots, which are also enough among other nations. Who would be worse off if the Cossacks consider themselves to be a people? After all, we do not think of ourselves outside the Russian world. For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland - this is our slogan! The whole Russian people will be reborn when everyone remembers their roots, when he realizes that it is not money that determines the essence of the Russian world, but his soul. And after all, no one ever said that a guy from Tambov is worse than a guy from Rostov. And we are all proud of not only our Cossack ancestors, but the whole history of Russia. And we do not need any privileges, we only want the revival of our national cultural traditions. What is slowly being done now. Again I say - come to the Don, visit Azov, Starocherkassk, Novocherkassk, Veshenskaya (especially in the days of the Sholokhov spring). Only in this way you will understand us, and not on the basis of the opinions of some not very adequate members of the forum. Only a thousand kilometers from Moscow, on the road to the seas, huh?
                  2. 0
                    11 January 2015 15: 18
                    Quote: Smoke
                    As a parenting and auxiliary functions for the maintenance of public order - yes! Cossacks be! As a separate people, or a privileged estate - in no case!
                    They said everything correctly. The authorities there will surely take the most mummers and merge the people for whatever money they give. Yes, and you need to earn privileges with something, but not so, give privileges, otherwise I'll be offended and leave.
                2. +1
                  11 January 2015 15: 50
                  Quote: Nick. Alex.
                  Knowing your historical roots
                  That's right, did I understand that you studied your roots according to E.P. Savelyev: you lead your ancestors from the basics ("the first", with the capital in Azov), they took Troy, etc.? And why dill nervously smoke when you talk about their glorious deeds? smile
                  1. +1
                    11 January 2015 16: 41
                    No, you got it wrong. Evgraf Saveliev one from researchers, on the basis of whose opinions confirmation of the nationality of the Cossacks is derived. To ancient ukrov we oh how far.
                    1. +2
                      11 January 2015 18: 12
                      Quote: Nick. Alex.
                      Evgraf Saveliev
                      Once I read it with a heartbeat.
                      Quote: Nick. Alex.
                      To ancient ukrov we oh how far
                      But they are moving in the same direction, nmv. There are gaps in history and are not always filled with obvious results of etymological studies, other dubious artifacts to come closer to the previously prepared conclusion that I am the navel of the Earth.
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      2. 0
        10 January 2015 14: 58
        Quote: Smoke
        So the red commander forbade his sons to even think about stripes! Now I understand why I banned, and you?


        So your grandfather completely broke with the Cossacks, disowned him and was afraid to even mention stripes. It is necessary to revive the Cossacks because it is the glorious traditions of the army, the traditions of Orthodoxy and Russian culture and life. Cossacks are ideological warriors and defenders of the borders of the country, and now we really lack ideas and ideologies, ideologies as the upbringing of patriotism, as the participation and responsibility of everyone, Cossacks from an early age studied martial art and serving Vera, Tsar and Fatherland. they worked on the land, and how many new lands were discovered and conquered for Russia.
        1. 0
          10 January 2015 17: 04
          And you, using the examples of this Judas and his accomplices, decided to "revive" COSSACKS "to the DON? Telling tales here about a separate people, type-" Don Cossack, from the Ostrogoths? "
          Information:
          After the revolution of 1917, the military leader Pyotr Krasnov led the so-called "Don" army, having created an alliance with Kaiser's Germany, and advocated the creation of the state of "Kozakia". According to researchers, the separatism of the "independent" chieftain was one of the reasons for his disagreements and conflicts with the command of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia and ultimately led to the defeat of the entire White Movement. After the victory of the Red Army, he emigrated, from 1936 he lived in Germany. He perceived the Great Patriotic War as a liberation campaign against the traders of "Russian blood", primarily the communists. He helped the Wehrmacht to create SS Cossack units. After the war, he was extradited to the USSR, convicted as a war criminal, and in January 1947, together with other traitorous goat atamans, was hanged in Lefortovo. All attempts to rehabilitate Krasnov have so far failed.
          1. +1
            10 January 2015 17: 22
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            And you, using the examples of this Judas and his accomplices, decided to "revive" the COSSACKS


            Cossack is a nonsense, even such an odious chieftain Kozitsin who previously vowed about the Cossack Republic, said recently that this is utopia.
            No one wants to revive the Cossack for two reasons:
            Firstly, they revive what was once, but the Cossacks were not born.

            Secondly, the inflamed brain in the Cossacks has already become much smaller and the question of Cossack autonomy is not worth it.
          2. 0
            10 January 2015 17: 24
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            Telling tales here about a separate people, type- "Don Cossack, from the Ostrogoths?"


            The Ostrogoths have never had the slightest relation to the Cossacks.
            1. +1
              10 January 2015 18: 03
              RUSS
              And bring this last thought to the "learned Cossack" who has gone mad in lies, to whom you often sing along.
              I, having nearly 30 calendars behind me and 40 preferential service, half of which, was engaged in what is intended for the military, I know better what this "learned Cossack" sings about, who has nothing behind him but the "knowledge of" Krasnov's "proclamations, with which he sings here a mournful song about a separate people Cossacks "CORRECTLY he was told a little lower-" Sma11 (1) SU Today, 16:32
              Dear Nick. Alex
              They are trying to explain to you that the Cossacks are an estate, not a people, as you are trying to position it.
              Even based on the fact that the Don Cossacks (as you say) are people. That to whom you will refer Khopersky, Khlynovsky, Meshchersky, Semirechye, Volga, Northern, Siberian, etc. etc. Cossacks, not to mention the Cossacks of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, Buryatia, Kalmykia, Manchuria, China and Poland? Which differ not only in culture, way of life, language, but also in faith.
              However, it is understandable why you emphasize that the Don Cossacks are people.
              First, recognition by the people, then recognition of the genocide of this people, then separatism and the swing of dough from the center and receiving other preferences.
              And if the estate, then the Bolsheviks slaughtered the nobility, and the merchants, and the clergy, and the peasantry, and the bourgeoisie, and the Cossacks, and this is already a political struggle. "
              And THIS is absolutely true statement on the activities of such "learned Cossacks"
              ALIEN HE, this "scientist".
              1. -4
                10 January 2015 20: 17
                Lord, but I think, where is such obstinacy - from the military, then. A step to the left, a step to the right - an escape, a jump in place - a provocation ?! Align yourself, at attention, forward to a brighter future? During my military service I saw such people, mainly warrant officers. And what words did you pick up - "mad in lies" - the brain did not overheat? And behind me I have Rostov University, not a school of warrant officers. Remember, military man, the hatred of dissent did not lead anyone to good. Relax, nerve cells are not regenerating!
                1. 0
                  10 January 2015 22: 33
                  Nick. Alex
                  Trololo, your antics and bouncing are no longer needed by anyone, you burned, "Cossack" you were sent.
                  Not one who respects FORM, Military ranks, COSSACK, about a person who served the STATE, as you, will not speak.
                  So nerd belolentochny, not a damn thing you burn out.
                  Not with the different Cossacks there, the delusions of the Krasnoyarsk people, nor with the Uryakvasgas trying to smutu the SMUTU in the country once again.
                  1. -2
                    10 January 2015 22: 49
                    Military to military strife. People like you only dishonor the uniform. Yes, and you serve, apparently, you are some kind of spy. Because the "intellect" is hefty rushing. As I understand it, your task here on the forum is to breed srach. Well, well, success!
                    1. +1
                      10 January 2015 23: 08
                      Nick. Alex
                      Your task, ALIEN, to lie. And mine, DO NOT GIVE YOU A LIE.
                      And I, unlike you, coped with my task, but here you are, a marsh moot, no.
                      Cossacks
                      military estate in Russia in the XVIII - early XX centuries. In the XIV-XVII centuries. free people who worked for hire, people who performed military service in border areas (city and guard Cossacks); in the XV — XVI centuries. beyond the borders of Russia and the Polish-Lithuanian state (on the Dnieper, Don, Volga, Urals, Terek) self-governing communities of the so-called free Cossacks (mainly from runaway peasants) emerged, which were the main driving force of the uprisings in Ukraine of the 11th – 1916th centuries. and in Russia XVII — XVIII centuries. The government sought to use the Cossacks for border protection, in wars, etc., and in the 4,4th century. subjugated him, turning him into a privileged military estate. At the beginning of the XX century. there were 53 Cossack troops (Don, Kuban, Orenburg, Transbaikal, Tersk, Siberian, Ural, Astrakhan, Semirechensk, Amur and Ussuri). In 1, the Cossack population was over 300 million people, over 1920 million acres of land. In the 1936st World War, about 40 thousand people exhibited. In 1980, the Cossacks were abolished as an estate. In XNUMX, Don, Kuban and Tere Cavalry Cossack units were created that participated in the Great Patriotic War (disbanded in the second half of the XNUMXs). Since the late XNUMXs the revival of traditions, culture and life of the Cossacks began, Cossack organizations appeared.
                      Cossacks
                      Cossacks, ethnic, social and historical community (group), which, due to its specific features, united all Cossacks, primarily Russians, as well as Ukrainians, Kalmyks, Buryats, Bashkirs, Tatars, Evenks, Ossetians, etc., as separate sub-ethnic groups of their peoples into a single whole. Russian legislation until 1917 considered the Cossacks as a special military estate, which had privileges for performing compulsory service.

                      And the cries of the emigrants that the Cossacks are a separate people, along with Hitler's lackey Krasnov, throw in a landfill.
                      1. +4
                        10 January 2015 23: 57
                        Vlad, he provokes you, and you are being fooled, and in general, with a soft sign s ------- I.
                        laughing We are standing in the ranks, the foreman comes up, and it’s to me, and in a mysterious way, in a whisper
                        -Don't succumb to provocation! In no case do not succumb to provocation!
                        In a whisper
                        -Yes, I do not succumb belay
                        In a whisper
                        -Charge out of turn for conversations in the ranks.
                        Oh, how long has it been laughing
                      2. 0
                        11 January 2015 16: 16
                        perepilka (
                        A certain guardian of the Law, the site, saw in opposition to TROLL, behind the nickname Ni.Alex, some sort of deliberate lowering of the rate, WELL HER GOD, it is ridiculous, he plays the spools ..
                        Raised SKULL the rate and lowered me ..
                        Oh, well, I’m in complete fright and frustration .. Well, at least they did not disgrace themselves with such an obvious prejudice ...
                      3. +2
                        11 January 2015 17: 15
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        Oh, well, I’m in complete fright and frustration .. Well, at least they did not disgrace such an explicit

                        These are most likely the "Cossacks" who read, many are very eager to be exceptional what Itself more than once a harvest of minuses collected, when I walked on their exclusivity. "Costumed", shoulder straps, madalYa, it looks like a gay parade, those are also "exceptional". And the rating, yes, it's all garbage, although it can what , so as not to drive into the skull, to maintain, is more interesting than two phrases of the German speculator for three pages to discuss drinks You can see, after all, how everything has changed here, lately, even from August 2013 you can see.
                      4. +1
                        11 January 2015 17: 30
                        Yes, that's for sure.
                        I myself notice that even with respect to time a little earlier, already in January 2012, so to speak, gently, the Russophobia began to suffer defeat after defeat, they listen less and less to them, and if they read, they instantly give a shit.
                        Anyway, the VICTORY will be ours!
                        I exchanged opinions with the same admin .. everyone is pedaling the topic-Violation of the RULES, they say you do not have the right to set the minus to the troll .. Well, then, I will now put the minus the trolls through time.)))
                      5. -1
                        11 January 2015 00: 34
                        What can I say, washed so washed! Found an article from the Soviet encyclopedia, clever girl! And other books, slightly more authentic than an encyclopedic article, are poorly read? At least "Quiet Don", if specialized literature is inaccessible for perception?
                2. +4
                  10 January 2015 22: 40
                  I am a historian, I graduated from Rostov University under the Soviet regime, I know what I'm saying.

                  That is, a humanist with a higher education, an educated and cultured person.

                  Ignorant, I say, read smart books, not cheap waste paper.

                  I’m a historian, and you, in fact, who? Graduate of the 54 Fence Building?

                  And it’s said about you that there is one gyrus, and that is from a cap.

                  Now he’s vyser, did he himself understand that he had made a mistake? Or you sculpt on a glass here, something began to weave a tongue.

                  That's it, we begin to spray with saliva from impotence. Sharikovs and Shvondery - go ahead!

                  Listen, you fool, you have spoiled the whole forum with your toilet vocabulary.
                  Well, what a stubborn ram! What is your next vyser?

                  Hmmm ... Culture rushing jamb.

                  Lord, but I think, where is such obstinacy - from the military, then. A step to the left, a step to the right - an escape, a jump in place - a provocation ?! Align yourself, at attention, forward to a brighter future? During my military service I saw such people, mainly warrant officers. And what words did you pick up - "mad in lies" - the brain did not overheat? And behind me I have Rostov University, not a school of warrant officers. Remember, military man, the hatred of dissent did not lead anyone to good. Relax, nerve cells are not regenerating!

                  For your information Dear, the majority on this forum are, alas, the military. By the way, I’m a senior warrant officer and, unfortunately, I am able to communicate on forums with a higher education (technical).
                  And you (I repeat) The ordinary troll.

                  Trolling - when communicating via a computer network - whipping up a communication participant (“troll”) of anger, conflict by covert or explicit bullying, humiliating, insulting another participant or participants,
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                    10 January 2015 23: 10
                    Sma11
                    Colleague, I sincerely thank you for the HEALTHY position.
                    lieutenant colonel of the reserve, I have the honor.
                  2. -1
                    11 January 2015 00: 27
                    Dear, if you bother to re-read the messages on this forum, then it will be easy for you to notice that our discussion proceeded in a pretty decent way until the crazy retired Lieutenant Colonel Vlad appeared, who, sprinkling with saliva, began to conduct further conversation in a completely offensive form. Attempts to conduct a civilized dialogue with this subject failed, so I had to go down to the level of this citizen, because he does not understand another conversation. And if someone has an opinion, do not rush to shoot him. What this leads to is evident in Ukraine. There, too, they decided to comb all under one comb. And where does all the military go? I respect all adequate people outside their professional activities. There are soldiers, and there are soldiers. There are smart, there are dumb. There are thinkers and there are stubborn ones. There are respectful opinions of others, but there are spitting at all from around the hemp. Be people, citizens!
                    1. 0
                      11 January 2015 14: 39
                      Nick. Alex
                      Shpana, are you again?
                      Can’t you calm down?
                      Doros to the level of corporal, bam and was below the skirting board with a gray shoulder strap-Vrazhin.
                      All your nonsense, does not convince anyone here, in the purity of your intentions.
                      So, provocateur, shut up already ..
                      You do not belong to scientists, with your knowledge, you don't know the white-tape shit, the phrases and manner of conducting verbal polemics betray you with your head.
                      In general, ambitious and illiterate, but very brash, go to school and learn history, while you score-2.
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        2. +2
          10 January 2015 19: 13
          answered your questions with a post higher)
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  4. +11
    9 January 2015 08: 53
    In May 2015 years will be marked 445 years since the advent of the Don Cossacks. This anniversary is not a round date, but it is an important occasion to think about the path of an entire people scattered in several regions and countries. Namely, about whether the Cossacks will remain original or turn into a crowd, entertaining rare tourists and distinguished guests.

    The people ??? Rather estates!
    1. +5
      9 January 2015 08: 56
      It is the people. There is no question of a revival of the CONDITION. This is a clear nonsense in modern society.
      1. +9
        9 January 2015 11: 24
        This is not nonsense, this is another attempt to split a piece from the Russians and call it "independent Cossacks, Siberians, etc." And ultimately oppose the Rus. Minus the article, or rather delete it (this is for admins).
        1. +5
          9 January 2015 12: 25
          Quote: ansons
          sense, this is another attempt to split off a piece from the Russians and call it "independent Cossacks, Siberians, etc." And ultimately oppose the Rus. Minus the article, or rather delete it (this is for admins).

          That's right. Current Cossacks are far from a gift. But yesterday I watched Posner's program about London. There he spoke so unobtrusively about the aristocracy of Russia with a clear hint of his involvement in it. That's how we agree until the Russian aristocracy and nobility consisted entirely of mois and abrams. But the Russians and Cossacks, including such a misunderstanding on this earth, turned out to be an obvious provocation. Such an article, as the saying goes, hen bites a grain.
          1. +5
            9 January 2015 13: 34
            Quote: tundra
            Current Cossacks are far from a gift


            In the LPR, too, "not gifts" and mummers are fighting?
        2. +8
          9 January 2015 16: 51
          In general, many Cossacks considered themselves a separate branch of the Russian people and did not want to have anything to do with peasants, lapotniki, etc. And they were told first of all for separatism, and only then for the opposition to the Soviet regime. In general, if you look for analogies, it becomes clear that, in principle, Cossacks are residents of the frontier — that is, the border territory, where the laws of the state have practically no effect and where they run from prosecuting the law. Remember - there is no extradition from the Don. That is, the main replenishment is a criminal element and people who do not recognize laws. Wild west in Russian. The state at first tolerated them or tried to turn them into a buffer with hostile states. As the borders moved, the frontier ceased to be so and the Cossacks began to build. The bandit Zaporizhzhya section was destroyed, the Yaitsk Cossacks were suppressed - even the Yaik River was renamed to the Urals. Well, the Cossacks, given their opposition to the peasants, began to be actively used for police functions. Now, of course, there is no real Cossacks, since there is no frontier — that is, a territory where laws are weakened, but many have such a dream, and now they have decided that the LPR is that territory where there is no law and a new Cossacks can be built. However, the Russian Federation has other plans for Novorossia and it seems that Cossack ideologists are flying by. With all this, it is quite possible to attract Cossacks, or rather those who consider themselves to be them, as irregular units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and to help protect complex sections of the state border, for example, again as a reserve in case of war.
          1. c3r
            +2
            9 January 2015 23: 55
            It is possible to use a voluntary people's squad to help the authorities, but for the protection of difficult sections of the border or parts of the military (I correctly understand the phrase "irregular units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs"), excuse me, it is necessary to involve professionals: firstly, the Cossacks have been cut down by law (not to be confused with cut off) they have no right to carry weapons (those whips that they carry with them do not count), and secondly, I simply cannot imagine them on difficult sections of the border (Dagestan, Chechnya, Transbaikalia, etc. their current quality will either get drunk, or run away, or sit down. As a reserve for war in our country, in accordance with the federal law "On conscription and military service," the entire male population aged 18 to 70 is used. God forbid, in no case, I'm not against the Cossacks (grandfather and great-grandfather from the Terek st. Zmeyskaya), but in the form in which it exists now it is either laughter (through tears), or, a well-organized organized crime group of tough guys, not always understanding the difference between the law of force and the force of law. For proper use, a legislative base is needed, which will spell out the rights, obligations, guarantees (both moral and material incentives) and the use of the Cossacks in the border areas not only as "and we will get together and we will stick with this chur.k..m", but first of all, as people who are able to create (not without the help of the state) their own economy, monitor it and increase it, as well as if it is required "and we will gather together and this chur.k..m (oblique..gl..z. .ym, not..russ..kim) we stick ". And only then will the Cossacks become a real force capable of providing real assistance to the border guards and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and somewhere and replace them. good
          2. Cat
            +1
            10 January 2015 11: 11
            It’s hard not to agree. And there is. It’s another matter that new frontiers arise - and there will always be people who are better off living on them than pulling the tax yoke and walking in the slaves of new magnates.
          3. Igor 64
            +1
            10 January 2015 20: 16
            Actually, the Cossacks are just a fluent Russian people. The Russian people who escaped to the Don, to the Kuban to Siberia and from what hangover some demagogues try to call them some other people. It’s right to call it a class, like merchants, petty bourgeois, noblemen, peasants, Cossacks. And with regard to their function of protecting the fatherland, everyone and Cossacks and soldiers and peasants and merchants and noblemen defended it as well. But as an estate, the Cossacks had some privileges, from the states but also among the Cossacks there was a division into the rich and the poor. The revival of the Cossacks can and should be done as a patriotic movement of the Russian and Russian people, or assistance to law enforcement agencies, or as there are Cossack units in the army, but in the form in which the Cossacks existed in the Russian Empire, it will no longer be. But if it is mummers as usual or as in the 90th Cossacks extorted, then for hell they need
        3. 0
          9 January 2015 23: 37
          Well, why are you so narrow-minded? No one was ever going to break up. Well, read the article carefully, it’s a completely different matter. What is dense cacophobia?
    2. +1
      9 January 2015 12: 41
      It is the people. Read not the history of the emergence of the Cossacks, which was adapted and adapted for idiots, but normal serious studies. And if you are unbiased, you will understand. What is a people - studied philosophy? A story? Or all the knowledge at the high school level? For general development, I report on the criteria for determining the people: 1) own statehood 2) own culture 3) own socio-economic structure 4) own language or dialect - further on the little things. This is already enough with the head. N.M. Is Karamzin something for you? Or completely unfamiliar? So this recognized Russian historian has a definition of the Cossacks precisely as a people. Read more serious literature, and you will be enlightened.
      1. +1
        9 January 2015 16: 33
        N.M. Is Karamzin something for you? Or completely unfamiliar? So this recognized Russian historian has a definition of the Cossacks precisely as a people.

        In his "History" elegance, simplicity
        Prove to us, without any prejudice,
        The need for autocracy
        And the delights of a whip
        Pushkin
        1. +1
          9 January 2015 22: 37
          Yes, this is now very lacking for us - strong power and a good whip.
      2. Igor 64
        +2
        10 January 2015 20: 29
        In Russia we had the principalities of the state, Ryazan. , Tver, Vladimir, Yaroslavl, etc. all their originality and way and dialect in some principalities were shamed in another akali, and the people lived one Russian. What can you suggest dividing them into different peoples: the Ryazan people, the Yaroslavl people. You are my friend Nick. Alex so figs you know what to agree
  5. +7
    9 January 2015 10: 11
    The rehearsal for the Bolsheviks was successful, as we see in today's example. For today's Cossacks there is not enough legislative base that could weed out the mummers and private security workers from the real Cossacks who want and know how to serve Russia! I am sure the Cossacks will be and be what they are!
    1. c3r
      +2
      9 January 2015 23: 58
      Totally agree!
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      10 January 2015 18: 05
      RUSS (
      Lie.
      It’s not paper that makes a Cossack a Cossack, but the core inside the Soul, and if it doesn’t exist, then nothing can be corrected with any pieces of paper, preferences, proclamations and howls on different topics about the separation of Cossacks from the Russian people,
  6. avt
    +5
    9 January 2015 10: 55
    Quote: RUSS
    e. For today's Cossacks, there is not enough legislative framework that could weed out the mummers and private security workers from the real Cossacks who want and know how to serve Russia!

    Whoever wants, and even more so knows how to serve, goes and serves and keeps the memory of their ancestors without drunken courage to the public about the very ones. "And he used to go and served. All the rest for the legalization of trousers with ribbons on the side and walking with whips a la sadomaso, by type of homosexuals demonstrating for the legalization of gay parades, they demand some kind of laws and a "legislative base", so they will directly adopt the law and jump "free Cossacks" again, "free Cossacks", and the rest of the "men" give them a bread salary. Well, those who did not integrate into the current government are starting to fail as a "Cossack" and a separate "people", a "defender of Orthodoxy", being themselves, in the words of one priest from Astrakhan, who was not afraid to say to Razin in a plundered church - "you think themselves Orthodox, and they themselves are worse than Zhids! " , fortunately, it is not necessary to compose like the great ykram - there are real exploits of the Cossacks in the service of both the kings and the Fatherland, keeping silent in a rag about what they did in the inter-government, and even frankly extolling the scum of Krasnovoshkurovites as "martyrs".
    Quote: krasin
    Wearing raspberries, raspberries, and grandfather regalia, farmers to protect, just to not work.
    good
    Yes and do not serve
    1. c3r
      +1
      10 January 2015 00: 03
      If there is a social movement (all the more so with such a centuries-old history), then in our turbulent age laws must be obligatory for it (I have already spoken with rights, obligations, measures of moral and material incentives) and then the peels themselves will be peeled off.
  7. +4
    9 January 2015 11: 07
    Quote: Sma11
    In May 2015 years will be marked 445 years since the advent of the Don Cossacks. This anniversary is not a round date, but it is an important occasion to think about the path of an entire people scattered in several regions and countries. Namely, about whether the Cossacks will remain original or turn into a crowd, entertaining rare tourists and distinguished guests.

    The people ??? Rather estates!

    I completely agree, the estate and not the people. And they call clowns to work, Cossacks need to remember what their essence of life is, to make money in the markets or to protect the borders of the motherland. That's when they understand this, then they will be HONORED and RESPECTED BY THE PEOPLE !!!!!!!
    1. +2
      9 January 2015 12: 52
      How many advisers divorced - how and what to do to the Cossacks. Our people themselves will figure out what and how to do. And do it! We revive the culture, open Cossack gymnasiums, cadet corps. We are reviving agriculture, and slowly we are removing the clowns who have sucked in from power. And all this without the help of the state. And in order to at least somehow look at all of this, come to the Sholokhov spring in Veshenskaya, unless, of course, you want to look at modern Cossacks not through the prism of hatred towards our so many endured people.
      1. +6
        9 January 2015 15: 53
        How many advisers divorced - how and what to do to the Cossacks. Our people themselves will figure out what and how to do.

        Yes, for God's sake - sort it out yourself. Put things in order in the Stavropol and Krasnodar Territory. Show that the Cossacks are not funny mummers, but a force with which Caucasians should be reckoned.
        look at modern Cossacks not through the prism of hatred of our so many endured people.

        Here it is ... They offended the little ones. Right poor and unhappy, like the children of Israel or the great UKRs bastards m.osk.a.s.l. and did not give life. And nothing so that all nations have fallen to one degree or another.
        1. c3r
          +2
          10 January 2015 00: 13
          There (in the Stavropol Territory and Krasnodar Territory) there was always more order with this than in Moscow, where even entire areas (for example, Setun percent for 60 Caucasian and Central Asian)
      2. -1
        9 January 2015 18: 38
        Nick. Alex
        Your "people" ?? So, in the wake of the hanged atamanchik Krasnov like a mangy dog, again an insidious tribe appeared, striving to split a part of the Russian people from the whole?

        Who are you working for, Cossack "??
        Was it you with your shame and memory who, near Rostov in one of the villages, managed to erect a monument to Jude-KRASNOV? And create a whole cadet corps, with the help of a certain VODOLATSKY, calling him the name of the national freak-KRASNOV?

        Moderator VO, you should not remove a single word from this comment.
        KRASNOV and his accomplices, in 1946, were executed by sentence, as moral and traitors to Russia, then they were in the image of the UNION, because they imagined that the Cossacks were a different people, separate from the Russians and for what with a sword in their hands , as part of a foreign army, went with war to their homeland.

        So, disrespectful "Cossack" - don't sing songs here, about some kind of people - there were enough of these songs under HITLER, and now, it seems, you all sing this song from someone else's handouts, but all with the same purpose .. RUSSIAN SPARK.
        1. -1
          9 January 2015 22: 05
          Ignorant, I say, read smart books, not cheap waste paper. To say how many Soviet people fought on the German side? And what percentage of these millions pertains to the Cossacks proper? My grandfather died at 43 in the Kharkov operation, is buried near the railway station in Slavyansk, in the same Ukrainian, in a mass grave. Another went through the whole war and ended it in Prague. And not for you, I won’t swear, judge the Cossacks. Yes, many peoples suffered, but for some reason, when it comes to Cossacks, every idiot tries to humiliate our PEOPLE. For the dull, stupid and lazy I explain: Cossacks as a people formed in the 12-13th century. As a result of the confusion of the Rus who lived in the Sea of ​​Azov, the Alans and other peoples during the time of the Mongol invasion. Read books, gentlemen, not stupid articles on the Internet. I am a historian, I graduated from Rostov University under the Soviet regime, I know what I'm saying. Speaking of history, is it aware that the army of the Mongol Tatars in the 12th century consisted of two-thirds of the Slavs? Regarding the monument to Krasnov, it is installed on a private courtyard.
          1. +1
            9 January 2015 23: 56
            For the dull, stupid and lazy I explain: Cossacks as a people formed in the 12-13 century. As a result of the confusion of the Rus who lived in the Sea of ​​Azov, the Alans and other peoples during the time of the Mongol invasion


            The word Cossack of Turkic origin, known from the 14 century. Nevertheless, regarding the origin of the Cossacks as a phenomenon in the 15 century, there are two opposite versions:

            Cossacks are Slavs who settled in the empty lands of the Wild Field (V. S. Soloviev, Evgraf Savelyev)
            Cossacks are Russified eastern people (Kasogs, Circassians, Khazars) (V. Shambarov and L. Gumilyov).
            In the XVI and XVII centuries. Cossacks were formed from the structure of sentry and village services. The Cossacks, who lived at that time in the territory of the Russian Kingdom, guarded the border territories from the devastating raids of the Crimean Tatars and Nogais.

            There are many theories, but where is the truth? request ?
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            2. +1
              10 January 2015 12: 42
              Quote: Sma11
              There are many theories, but where is the truth?

              I do not pretend to be either theory or truth. Himself from the black-cut. Before the navigation, when my great-grandfather was leaving for a steamer, which was standing in winter in the city of Veliky Ustyug, a "Cossack" was hired to work on a large farm. So this man was called in Russian. Old Russian, which is already difficult for us to understand. But I found the grandmother's girlfriends talking on it. Here is a phrase to try to understand: "It was a stupid parato in advance" - stuck in my memory. They called the gloves "rings", the scarf - "mesh". And now I come - and I don't hear any O-kanya or dialectisms. Pronunciation and vocabulary from TV 100%.
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            3. +1
              10 January 2015 12: 45
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              awesome tale about a Cossack-ingush and a Cossack

              About the Palestinian and Chaltyr Cossacks fame in the Pacific Don has long been ...
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        2. c3r
          +6
          10 January 2015 00: 20
          But what about Denikin, to whom during the war Russian collaborators came with a request to bless them to fight Bolshevism, and he pushed them into the neck and said at the same time: “It's a pity that I cannot become a general of the Red Army, otherwise I would show Germans! " Generals were different! My great-grandfather from the Terek died near Leningrad (the last letter from there, the grave has not yet been found), the late grandfather the kingdom of heaven was from there, near Tikhoretskaya, he was wounded in 42. And you remember all about me. True, I agree, the monsters and those who erected a monument to the traitor.
          1. +2
            10 January 2015 12: 04
            c3rUA
            I understand you answered me .. Well, what would you understand .. This one, Nick. Alex., In fact, it is not for the Cossacks as such "sick" here, in fact, he introduces discord into the body of the Russian people, the same as in Ukraine, through the descendants of the inhabitants of Galician Rus, the princes Daniel and his sons, who had become rabid in the Uniatism .. , in addition, and saturated with hatred, based on the Austro-Hungarian, at first, and after the Polish and German projects to sever Ukraine from Oott Rus, at the autumn of Bandera's ideology ..
            MANCURTISM, never led to something positive, and this Nick. Alex., Telling here "fairy tales" about the separateness of the Russian people and about some kind of "Cossack people", and the class, which the Cossacks really are, works freely or Internet but for those who need a riot in Russia.
          2. Igor 64
            +1
            10 January 2015 20: 36
            Denikin organized a fund to help the Red Army in Paris during World War II
            1. 0
              11 January 2015 14: 48
              Igor 64
              Yes, this is a fact that has taken place.
              But there is exactly another fact when the very Denikin, after the war, being exported to the United States, did a great job there, how to defeat the UNION, by military force and the decomposition of the country from the inside .. This is the same fact.
        3. +1
          10 January 2015 15: 05
          Quote: vladkavkaz
          Was it you with your shame and memory who, near Rostov in one of the villages, managed to erect a monument to Jude-KRASNOV? And create a whole cadet corps, with the help of a certain VODOLATSKY, calling him the name of the national freak-KRASNOV?


          Vlad does not need lies:- Firstly, a monument to Krasnov was erected by a private person in a private territory, according to a simple statement in his garden.

          Secondly, there is no and will not be in Russia a corps to them. Krasnova.
          1. +3
            10 January 2015 16: 17
            RUSS
            Is this a lie?
            Attempts to justify the White-Cossack chieftain are not abandoned in the Don, turning a blind eye to his collaboration with the Nazis

            On January 30, at the expanded council of atamans of the Great Army of the Don, deputy military ataman for ideology Vladimir Voronin resigned. The Cossack ideologist considers the mistake not the fact of Krasnov’s rehabilitation, but the fact that this question was raised at the wrong time - on the eve of the presidential election and “our opponents took advantage of this.” As you know, the council of atamans of the Rostov districts of the Don Army decided to seek political rehabilitation of General Pyotr Krasnov. At the council in Novocherkassk (Rostov Region), the chieftains created a working group to prepare the relevant documents. One of the initiators of this whole venture is United Russia deputy Viktor Vodolatsky.

            VODOLATSKY who at this time is?
            The fact is that the deputy chairman of the State Duma, Sergei Zheleznyak, announced that another representative of United Russia, the ataman of the Don Cossack Army, Viktor Vodolatsky, will receive the deputy’s mandate.

            Justification of a collaborator

            Vodolatsky was already a deputy of the State Duma in its previous convocation, and it was then that he became famous for one initiative, from which, I admit, I still tremble.

            On January 17, 2008, the Supreme Ataman of the Union of Cossack Forces of Russia, the ataman of the Great Don Cossack Troops, State Duma deputy Cossack General Viktor Vodolatsky signed an order to create a working group on the Don, whose activities will be aimed at organizing events for political and social rehabilitation of the Russian general, Cossack chieftain and an active fighter against Bolshevism during the Civil War, Pyotr Nikolayevich Krasnov.

            So who's lying? Vodolatsky? Allegedly, a "scientist from Rostov", or am I saying that all these cries about the independence and separateness of the Cossacks, as an estate, and not a people, can lead to very bad consequences?
            The events indicated a little higher than 2008 and 2012, then gave a shortcut, for some, now what is the next surge of senility on the basis of KAZAKIA and the Emperor, how does Kozitsyn scream?
          2. +1
            10 January 2015 16: 18
            On January 21, 2008, the lenta.ru Internet publication reported that the Don Cossacks advocated the rehabilitation of the ataman of the Great Don Army, the head of the Main Directorate of Cossack troops, cavalry general Pyotr Nikolayevich Krasnov, who was executed by the Soviet government in 1947. This Cossack participated in the Civil War on the side of the White Army, and in the Great Patriotic War he actively collaborated with the Nazi troops. For acts during the Civil War and active aiding the Nazis, he was convicted and executed by the Soviet government. [2]

            But Viktor Vodolatsky, a Duma deputy from the Rostov Region from the United Russia party, the current ataman of the Great Don Army, decided to rehabilitate Krasnov on the basis that the ataman was never a citizen of the USSR [2], after the Civil War he lived in France and Germany . Already on January 17, the day of the 61st anniversary of the execution of Krasnov, Vodolatsky signed a decree on the creation of a working group for the rehabilitation of the chieftain.
            However, he failed to rehabilitate Krasnov, and he helped the Nazis too fruitfully. Due to public outrage, the “shop” had to be closed on January 28: the working group concluded that “an active fighter with the Bolsheviks during the Civil War, writer and publicist Peter Krasnov collaborated with fascist Germany during the Great Patriotic War” [3] which unacceptable. What news, unbelievable !!!

            On January 30, lenta.ru received a new message [2] that, due to the failure of the PR campaign, the Deputy Don Ataman of the Great Don Army, Vladimir Voronin, who manages media relations, resigned. Covering his boss, Vodolatsky, Vladimir Voronin said that the rehabilitation of the Nazi criminal was his personal mistake, and the idea itself came from the non-profit foundation “Cossack Abroad”. [3] That is, these emigrants - the descendants of the “white” Cossacks and Cossacks, who served in the Wehrmacht and in the service of the SS troops, who escaped from the Soviet court, tried to rehabilitate their “Cossack Jesus”.


            SO WHO LIES?
            1. -1
              10 January 2015 16: 33
              Quote: vladkavkaz
              SO WHO LIES?


              YOU ARE LYING, did not answer for your words, YOU ARE LYING that officially registered Cossacks erected a monument to Krasnov and they, headed by Volodatsky, created the Cossack Cadet Corps named after Krasnov -You ARE LYING such a corps in Russia, you are a liar who is not responsible for your bazaar and moved off the line, writing about rehabilitation.
              1. +1
                10 January 2015 16: 40
                RUSS
                THIS is YOU, Lying, knowing perfectly well that only the OPPOSITION, precisely in 2008-2012, prevented Vodolatsky and his slander from erecting a monument to Jude in Rostov, as a result, they stuck him in private households, THAT you LIE, that there is no cadet corps, IT IS NOT NOW, for one reason, the authorities realized in time that on such examples, examples of IUD, And the country's history will go in a completely different direction, such as it went in UKRAINE, where Mazep and Bander ripened to the rank of heroes.
                So there is no need to arrange a bazaar and hysteria when you were caught assisting the ideas of Nazi minions, the lackeys of the Krasnoyarsk people who served Hitler and raised their swords to their homeland.
                1. 0
                  10 January 2015 16: 53
                  Quote: vladkavkaz
                  IT'S YOU'RE LIEING that there is no cadet corps, IT ISN’T NOW


                  There wasn’t and there wasn’t a corps, if so then tell me, where and in what years?
                  The question is very simple.
              2. +3
                10 January 2015 16: 46
                The museum and memorial "Don Cossacks in the fight against the Bolsheviks" are located on the territory of a private courtyard in the village of Elanskaya. The land belongs to the entrepreneur Vladimir Melikhov. The central figure of the memorial, created in 2007 - the monument to Ataman Pyotr Krasnov - has been attracting increased attention of law enforcement agencies and indignation of the communists for several years. In the summer of 2008, a deputy's inquiry about the memorial was sent to the Prosecutor General's Office for the Southern Federal District by the Russian State Duma deputy, communist Nikolai Kolomeitsev. The prosecutor's office demanded to demolish the memorial on the grounds that it promotes fascism. Experts, in turn, noted the "artistic value" of the memorial, and the Cossacks stood up to defend the monument. Today both the museum and the memorial continue to work, receiving tourists from the territory of the Russian Federation and the countries of near and far abroad.
                ______________________________________
                So whose Cossacks are there so worried, for the memory of the Nazi Judas? Aren't they even singing in unison about the Separation of the people? Do they want a split in the Russian people? EXACTLY because I wanted Judas Krasnov, wanting to have the DON COSSACK, under the GERMAN protectorate?
                1. +1
                  10 January 2015 17: 07
                  Quote: vladkavkaz
                  So whose Cossacks are there so worried, for the memory of the Nazi Judas?


                  I don’t know, I don’t care how many people there are so many opinions. The Cossacks are politically, just like the whole of Russian society is not homogeneous, there are so-called "white" and "red", apparently there are those who are sure - "even with the devil, but together against the Bolsheviks. "
                  1. +2
                    10 January 2015 18: 21
                    RUSS
                    "there are so-called" whites "and" red ", apparently there are those who are sure -" even with the devil, but together against the Bolsheviks. "- YOU are one of those who, although with the devil?
                    Well, how long have you been with the devil, will you be a balamamut?
                    A RED idea for ... if you see, is it somehow not like that, it prevented individual, outstanding thieves from stealing, as if they were looking for a selection with interesting surnames ... the drunkard was at the head of the country, almost all of Russia, I didn’t wear out ... AND THE RED project is bad .. And the Great Patriotic War, in the opinion of the devils, is punishment, and the BREAKTHROUGHS made in the UNION, the side and the territory handed over with a squeak and humiliation to anyone, under the cries of "Let us live, if the Outskirts are thrown off."
                    Ukraine, has become a foreign outskirts-SOMETHING THAT I have not heard the loud cries of the Cossacks, like this "scientist" that such a surrender of the historically determined limits of Russia is criminal ..
                    Something I do not see the recognition of the DEATS, who pissed away the Red Project, that the "project" they built is a betrayal of many generations of Russian Lyubdy, who built the Power on 1/7 of the land.
                    And only the curses of the DEATS, ah, dispossessed, ah, decoded, ah, the intelligentsia was exhausted, about which it was said like this- "May you not always be persistent
                    And drank the bitter sly
                    But still it was a layer,
                    And now you have become a gasket.
                    N. Zinoviev.
                    oh priests sheared, oh French rolls are not enough.
                    What the hell did they offer in exchange?
                    10% of the total living normally and 90% living frankly bad?
                    Is this the Devils project for RUSSIA?
                    And now here another of the "devils" climbs with his damn project, they say the Cossacks are a separate people .. they have arrived, IT'S CALLED, some of them are itching to get Russia, internal discord and split within themselves.
            2. 0
              13 January 2015 21: 03
              You and LIE!
              On January 17, 2008, the ataman of the Don Cossacks, a deputy of the State Duma from United Russia, Viktor Vodolatsky, signed a decree on the creation of a working group for the rehabilitation of Pyotr Krasnov in connection with a request received from the Cossack Abroad organization [37] [38]. On January 28, 2008, the Council of Atamans of the organization “The Great Don Host” made a decision, which noted: “... historical facts indicate that an active fighter against the Bolsheviks during the Civil War, writer and publicist P. N. Krasnov during the Great Patriotic War collaborated with fascist Germany; <…> Attaching exceptional importance to the above, the Council of Atamans decided: to refuse the application to the non-profit foundation “Cossack Abroad” in resolving the issue of the political rehabilitation of P. N. Krasnov ”[37]. Viktor Vodolatsky himself emphasized: “the fact of his cooperation with Hitler during the war makes the idea of ​​his rehabilitation completely unacceptable for us” [37]. This is Wikipedia, buddy.
            3. 0
              13 January 2015 21: 07
              You’re lying, distorting the facts, adjusting them for yourself. Here is a Wikipedia article, a provocateur;
              On January 17, 2008, the ataman of the Don Cossacks, a deputy of the State Duma from United Russia, Viktor Vodolatsky, signed a decree on the creation of a working group for the rehabilitation of Pyotr Krasnov in connection with a request received from the Cossack Abroad organization [37] [38]. On January 28, 2008, the Council of Atamans of the organization “The Great Don Host” made a decision, which noted: “... historical facts indicate that an active fighter against the Bolsheviks during the Civil War, writer and publicist P. N. Krasnov during the Great Patriotic War collaborated with fascist Germany; <…> Attaching exceptional importance to the above, the Council of Atamans decided: to refuse the application to the non-profit foundation “Cossack Abroad” in resolving the issue of the political rehabilitation of P. N. Krasnov ”[37]. Viktor Vodolatsky himself emphasized: “the fact of his cooperation with Hitler during the war makes the idea of ​​his rehabilitation completely unacceptable for us” [37].
      3. c3r
        +1
        10 January 2015 00: 10
        Well, so without help, but what about the Federal Law of December 5, 2005 N 154-FZ
        "On the state service of the Russian Cossacks", and maybe crude, maybe not everything was taken into account, but Article 8 clearly says that "The financing of the state service of the Russian Cossacks is carried out at the expense of the federal budget, the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and the budgets of municipalities." happens to you and your superiors better, but the state has been participating in the life of the Cossacks since at least 2006.
  8. +5
    9 January 2015 15: 47
    There is no need to compare the "mummers" with real Cossacks. And it is not worth studying the history of Russia on the "Short Course in the History of the CPSU (b)". Thanks to the Cossacks, our country has Siberia and the Far East. Considerable merit of the Cossacks in the annexation of the Caucasus. There are various moments in the history of the Cossacks, including very negative ones in the modern view. But the services of this people to Russia are enormous. They were treated unfairly under Soviet rule and the current government does not favor them. All rehabilitated peoples have been restored to their rights, except for the Cossacks. It was the authorities who invented the "mummers". Our Cossacks were equated with a public organization. Today, the authorities do not know what to do with them and are trying to quietly make clowns out of them, but in vain. Crimea showed what the Cossacks are capable of.
    1. 0
      9 January 2015 16: 40
      Thanks to the Cossacks, our country has Siberia and the Far East. A considerable merit of the Cossacks in the accession of the Caucasus.


      Well yes. When a man had a choice either now, or a hero (possibly posthumously), but later. It is unlikely that he can resist such a "tempting" offer.
    2. +8
      9 January 2015 18: 39

      There is no need to compare the "mummers" with real Cossacks.


      General, Doctor of Economics, Academician, Lawyer, St. George Knight, Maltese Knight, Prize-winner G.K. Zhukova, Prince, member of the Creative Union of Writers of the Don.
      Who is it? A mummers clown or is it the chieftain of the VVD?

      I don’t hang my honestly deserved "sand" ones, but here ...
      1. c3r
        +5
        10 January 2015 00: 29
        This is a very senior warrant officer! Olympic bears are not enough. laughing
        1. +3
          10 January 2015 14: 42
          This is a very senior warrant officer!

          I guessed right. What a pop - such a parish
          Nikolai Ivanovich Kozitsyn. For 6 years he served as a supervisor in the labor camp UCH-398 / 14, from where in 1985 he was fired for numerous misconduct. (https://ru.wikipedia.org/)
      2. 0
        10 January 2015 15: 18
        Quote: Sma11
        Who is it? A mummers clown or is it the chieftain of the VVD?


        Kozitsin the Cossack "left" is not registered, he created a parallel army of the Don.
    3. 0
      9 January 2015 18: 45
      captain
      You are the History and you don’t know ... And you decide to judge HISTORY, from the position of a hare sitting under a bush.
      RED-created a country, the FIRST among equals, the Power of which, allowed everyone to develop, without the dictate that now annihilates the lives of millions, to please the United States.
      RED, they broke the ridge of the Nazis, who served with 50 thousand Krasnovsky Cossacks, Judas of the Cossack family, weapons raised to Russia.
      The Reds broke into SPACE.
      What have the captains and other lovers of French crunch crunch done in a comparable time over the past 25 years?
      And the answer "captain" on the surface-SPREADED the country, breaking it into 15 appanage princes, and I repeat "Cossacks" as "people", you Russia, in general, will smash.
      CRIMEA, he showed what RUSSIA is capable of, when it sets a clear task, in achieving the desired goal.
      USING, then those whom she would consider necessary.
      And this is not the merit of just the "Cossacks", there is no need to paint something that does not correspond to reality.
    4. +4
      10 January 2015 12: 43
      no real Cossacks. There are people and there are norms of people. But there are no Cossacks. There were yes left. This is like serfdom, as long as it was needed and it was in Russia, and the Cossacks, as long as the Cossacks were necessary, as a social institution, when the need for it disappeared, the Cossacks died out by itself ... if it were necessary, believe it. they would exterminate the Cossacks, there’s just no need for it yet ... if you want to serve Russia-so serve who forbids you ...
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    6. +2
      10 January 2015 12: 55
      Quote: captain
      Thanks to the Cossacks, our country has Siberia and the Far East.

      Thanks to natives of Veliky Novgorod and Veliky Ustyug, the so-called explorers. And, speaking of the Cossacks, one should not forget about the archers, who also sat down in prison along the Siberian rivers. Actually the Cossacks had neither the motivation nor the means for the development of Siberia. Either the Stroganovs, or the tsar-father attracted them as a military force, supplying them with lead, potions and grain treasury. In their free time from the tsar's service, or not having received offers that are difficult to refuse, they went "for zipuns", including along the Volga. Ruining and destroying Russian trade as much as possible.
  9. Viktor Kudinov
    +8
    9 January 2015 17: 52
    The question is, could there be Russia without the Cossacks? Maybe yes. But that would be a different Russia. Not very big. Cossacks not only mastered the Don and the Urals, but also Siberia and the Far East. My grandfather from the Don came to Primorye before the revolution - then there was an active resettlement policy. And in general, thanks to the Cossacks, many lands were consolidated for Russia. By the 450th anniversary, in general, it would be necessary to describe the full history of the Don Cossacks, so that contemporaries had an understanding that the consolidation of the Russian people has a significant share of Cossack hot bloodshed. hi
    1. 0
      9 January 2015 18: 47
      Viktor Kudinov
      They mastered ... when they got somewhere and got the first luli from foreigners, they beat the White Tsar with a MAN, "the archers came, people and gunpowder, with bread, otherwise we will perish."
      SO it was in fact.
      Not backed by all power, of the Russian state, they would not have done anything by themselves.
      1. +1
        9 January 2015 23: 28
        Again you have to poke your nose - the Azov seat of the Cossacks - 5000 against 250000 Turks and others like them. And where was the "powerful" Russian state? How did it help? I say, read smart books!
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          1. -2
            10 January 2015 12: 38
            What Cossack I am, not for you to judge. And if you can’t answer the arguments, it’s better not to disgrace. It was necessary to study at school and, preferably, somewhere else. Cossacks do not need to vaccinate anything, they are aware of themselves and are now aware of as a unique people. And it is not separate from Russia, because it is with Russia that the past and the future of the Cossacks are connected.
            1. +2
              10 January 2015 16: 21
              Nick. Alex
              Alien you. Through, ALIEN, from you stinks of someone else's spirit.
              THE COSSACKS, THE EMPLOYEES OF THE RUSSIAN STATE, have been, are, and only will be so.
              And your attempts, in a single body of the RUSSIAN people, to grow another cancerous tumor, as in Galicia, you will not succeed.
              1. -5
                10 January 2015 16: 30
                What does the united Russian people mean? Do you deny the identity of all the nationalities living in Russia? Or only to the Cossacks? A dispute on the principle - self - is that all you can do? To have one's own - note, reasoned - opinion - means to be a stranger? It seems that those like you, reported under Stalin and killed the innocent under Lenin.
                1. +1
                  10 January 2015 16: 51
                  Nick. Alex
                  What does the ONE Russian people mean?
                  Well, you have a "scientist" figure out what it means, RUSSIAN people.
                  People like me, under Stalin, served the country and built, taught and treated, created industry and went to Ksomos, broke Hitler’s ridge, and people like you, invented Krasnov’s ideas about the Cossacks’s peculiarity and their complete difference from the Russian people, reducing their origin along with the Nazis, to some kind of Ostrogoths.
                  LENIN, no matter how you "scientist" spit here, the value is not attainable for you.
                  And your idol, KRASNOV, is hanged like a scoundrel dog with accomplices, rightly the thief, science.
                  With the rest of the flaw, which will do the same as he and his lackeys, in Russia, they will do exactly the same.
                  1. -7
                    10 January 2015 20: 47
                    People like you, under Stalin, were guardians, they served in the NKVD, sent for three spikelets to the camps. Under Lenin, people like you shot women and children only because they did not belong to the working class. People like you are the Sharikovs and Shvondery, who consider everyone who is smarter than them enemies. And what kind of hysteria about Krasnov - who is here for his rehabilitation? Reduce the inflamed brain, re-read the forum, calm down. Let me begin now to tell you about General Vlasov how many troops he had under his command. And who were they by nationality? And, in fact, I am a Cossack, and who are you? Russian, Jew, crest? Gulchatay! Show your face!
                    1. +1
                      10 January 2015 22: 44
                      Nick. Alex
                      Here, come on, measure, who is for Vlasov, Judas, who is for Krasnov, the same Judas, for the Russian people.
                      So whose are you, Alien?
                      What do you have to do with the Russian people?
                      From your comments, it is straightforward to READ ANOTHER stink, Russian, who studied in a normal school, will not write such nonsense as you peck here.
                      1. -4
                        11 January 2015 00: 50
                        I understand that I'm a stranger to you. Yes, and I do not particularly need such relatives. So who are you by nationality? And what relation do you have to the Russian people, for whose purity you care so much? Here, from your comments, it rushes with hatred of raguli, such a fascist stench. You all lie here, one you are very correct and smart. All around are strangers, you alone are yours. Come to your senses, look in the mirror. And that you aimed at this unfortunate Krasnov? I assure you that the vast majority of Cossacks, including myself, relate to him without any love at all. But you don’t care, you’re sure that everything is scum.
                      2. +2
                        11 January 2015 14: 52
                        Nick. Alex
                        Do not make a smart face .. It is skewed from LIES and your eyes are slanting from the Lying habit.
                        In my comments, there is not a single word of hatred for the Cossacks proper, as for the OBSERVED estate of the Russian State.
                        But in your krivulnyh writings, there is what the SPLIT in the Russian people implies, to the joy of all Galician RAGULES there, who in the same way, artificially, Ukrainized,
                        starting with the Austrians. And now, they act as a shock detachment, against everything Russian. ALIEN YOU.
                        So better shut up, crooked liar.
        2. +2
          10 January 2015 18: 37
          Quote: Nick. Alex.
          Again you have to poke your nose - the Azov Cossacks' seat is 5000 versus 250000 Turks and others like them.

          And they didn’t sit a damn thing, they just did their job
          http://maxpark.com/community/14/content/1976705
    2. +5
      10 January 2015 17: 27
      Quote: Victor Kudinov
      Cossacks not only mastered the Don and the Urals, but also Siberia and the Far East.

      A laughter? laughing
      Erofei Pavlovich Khabarov
      Occupation:
      explorer traveler
      Date of Birth:
      OK. 1603 g
      Place of Birth:
      Russia Kotlas District
      In 1625 he made his first Siberian campaign on a nomad from Tobolsk to the Taimyr Peninsula, to Mangazeya. So, pomorskiy koch, not a fig not a seagull
      Dezhnev Semyon Ivanovich
      Date of Birth: 1605
      Place of birth: Veliky Ustyug or one of the villages on Pinega
      And he became a Cossack, already in Siberia
      Vladimir Vasilievich Atlasov (c. 1661/1664, Veliky Ustyug - February 1, 1711, Nizhnekamchatsk) - Russian explorer, Siberian Cossack, explorer of Kamchatka.

      Oh yeah, Ermak Timofeevich, a Don Cossack, who was eager to explore Siberia, already from Solvychegodsk, where the Stroganovs were listed as the head of the ChOP. By the way, if pogeographite, then B-Ustyug, and Kotlas, and Pinega, and Solvychegodsk, well, not a fig Don, not Terek and not Zaporozhye.
      Now, we turn on the logic and think about who could have passed the Siberian taiga, steppe Don, mountain Terek, Zaporozhye, on "seagulls", yeah, or foresters from the present Arkhangelsk and Vologda provinces.
      And we also look at who the Cossacks are, during the time of Ivan the Terrible, for their easy character and cheerful disposition, nicknamed Vasilich. Either workers from the highway, or private extra-departmental protection of the oligarchs. And when the Cossacks, how the estate was formed.
      No, well, maybe Shelikhov, Bering, Nevelsky are listed as Cossacks somewhere what
      1. zavesa01
        0
        13 January 2015 14: 08
        BRAVO to you, BRAVO !!!!! good
  10. +2
    9 January 2015 21: 30
    Few of the housekeepers survived the revelry, many births were interrupted, mostly Cossacks remained.
  11. +7
    9 January 2015 21: 31
    nonsense and not an article. The Cossacks are already starting to write down as a separate people as Ukrainians at one time the Austrians wrote down to the Ukrainians, how it all ended, we see in Donbass now, do you want to create new degenerates of Russophobes? I do not deny the merits of the Cossacks in the formation of Russia, but the Cossacks are just one of the estates of the Russian world, along with merchants, peasants, noblemen, priests in Russia, and not a separate people, and those who are now here on this site enthusiastically assent "blah blah blah there is no Cossack family translated ... yes we are Cossacks - we are ILITA !! 11111 ", you know, traitors to the Russian world.
    We have been divided for more than 150 years, starting with the appearance of pseudo-historical vysers of Ukrainian leaders and continue to breed as Indians ... we will soon live on reservations. In less than 100 years, the territory of the Russian world has been reduced by almost half !!! We have lost: Finland, Poland, Ukraine, Moldova, Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Iran, Manchuria, Alaska .... Now here the Cossacks are already non-Russian become SUDDENLY !! Are you completely crazy chtoli ?? Fucking Indians ....
    1. +2
      10 January 2015 12: 09
      Smoke
      And look at how many cons I have been instructed for the fact that those who are yelling about the independence of the Cossacks, with their noses in their essence, put the IUD, this whole project of separateness, another project of the WEST.
  12. +2
    9 January 2015 22: 14
    Some of the sentences in the article sound strange. And the Cossacks are people? A Cossack can say about himself "I am an ethnic Cossack"? This reminds me of stories about Pomors and other "peoples". And there are also associations with the US law "On enslaved peoples", where Russia allegedly enslaved the population of such territories as "Idel-Ural" and "Kazakia" (by the way, the same names appeared in the fascist plan "Ost" in relation to Russia). In general, after reading, I personally had an unpleasant aftertaste.
    1. -3
      9 January 2015 23: 14
      http://www.passion-don.org/ - почитай на досуге. Никто не говорит о порабощении - мы говорим об истреблении казачества при Советской власти. Намеренном, изощренном,безжалостном истреблении женщин,детей, стариков,не говоря уже о мужчинах. Помните директивы Ленина и Троцкого? И мы не требуем возвращения исконных казачьих земель, отторгнутых при Советах от Земли Войска Донского, тем более, мы никаким образом и НИКОГДА! не заявляли о каком-либо отделении. Мы хотим уважения к себе,к нашим обычаям,к нашей истории.
      1. +2
        10 January 2015 00: 20
        We want respect for ourselves, for our customs, for our history.

        It is very pleasant that you stood up for the Don Cossacks. Just take an interest. But what about the Kalmyks, Buryats, Tungus, Greeks? They also had the poor Cossacks, and even more - Cossack troops.
        1. -2
          10 January 2015 10: 37
          Who is against ?! Every nation and even a small nationality has its own legal right to cultural and national development. I am a Don Cossack and I stand up first of all for the revival of the Don Cossacks. But if the support of other movements is needed - I will only be for it! Our state is unique - it was built not on the suppression of different peoples, but on their peaceful and mutually beneficial coexistence, on respect for cultural and national traditions. Compare the fate of the American Indians to the fate of our small nations. Moreover, all this policy was laid not in Soviet times, but in the tsarist era. Only the fate of the Cossacks under the Soviets can be compared with the fate of the Indians. There is such a village - Elanskaya (where the new "Quiet Don" is being filmed) - there is a cemetery where my ancestors are buried. And half a dozen graves date back to 18-21 years of the last century. This is only for me and only one branch. And how many were executed without trial and buried in mass graves? And did anyone answer for that? Has anyone apologized for this genocide? Has anyone returned the looted property? It is convenient to regard the Cossacks as an estate, not a people. After all, it is the peoples, not the estates, that are subject to rehabilitation. Advice - respect people who honor their ancestors and do not forget their traditions.
          1. +2
            10 January 2015 11: 44
            Only the fate of the Cossacks under the Soviets can be compared with the fate of the Indians.
            And did anyone answer for this? Has anyone apologized for this genocide? Has anyone returned the looted property? It is convenient to consider the Cossacks as an estate, not a people. Indeed, it is the peoples who are subject to rehabilitation, and not the estates.


            It turns out where the dog is buried! But how many do you want? Or are you attracted by the preferences of the Jewish Holocaust?

            Advice - respect people who honor their ancestors and do not forget their traditions.


            I respect them as much as they respect my traditions and culture.
            1. -3
              10 January 2015 12: 00
              Here are the people!
              Quote: Sma11
              It turns out where the dog is buried! But how many do you want? Or are you attracted by the preferences of the Jewish Holocaust?

              That is, the restoration of justice - we want a lot? To honor the memory of innocently ruined people - do we want a lot? In your opinion, only selected peoples, like your Jewish, are available these rights? Are all the rest subhuman? Is this not a fascist ideology?
              Quote: Sma11
              I respect them as much as they respect my traditions and culture.

              Yes, nobody touched you, it was you who took the right to judge others and distribute who is a good people and who is bad. I am a natural Don Cossack, proud of it. And who are you?
              1. +1
                10 January 2015 12: 11
                That is, the restoration of justice - we want a lot? To honor the memory of innocently ruined people - do we want a lot?

                And did anyone answer for this? Has anyone apologized for this genocide? Has anyone returned the looted property?

                Chechens, Crimean Tatars, etc. were recognized as repressed. Famine in Ukraine, Katyn, etc. And what did it result in? The older brother offended the younger brother - HELP !! SAVE !! Russians -! WE ARE A SEPARATE PEOPLE!
                And this is my friend separatism however.
                Russians will never have a "white man complex." The consequences of which we see in Europe.
                1. -2
                  10 January 2015 12: 20
                  PEOPLE!!! Do you even know how to read ?! What separatism ?! Cossacks are part of the Russian world, no one denies this. Why is the recognition of the fact that the Cossacks are unique in their national-cultural qualities that causes so much fury? Moreover, people, to the Russian world, in fact, are not related.
                  1. +2
                    10 January 2015 12: 40
                    I am a historian, I graduated from Rostov University under the Soviet regime, I know what I'm saying.

                    PEOPLE!!! Do you even know how to read ?! What separatism ?!

                    Separatism, separation - the policy and practice of separation, separation of a part of the state’s territory in order to create a new independent state or transfer to another state or obtain the status of very broad autonomy.
                    The types of separatism are also distinguished according to the groups of strikers and their put forward requirements. For example, there are 2 types of requirements: the requirement of infringed political and economic benefits, independence, the struggle of indigenous peoples for rights and land. (https://ru.wikipedia.org)


                    It is said loudly - I am a historian, I know what I'm saying. good
                    1. +1
                      10 January 2015 13: 10
                      I’m a historian, and you, in fact, who? Graduate of the 54th Zaborostroitelny? I’m pointing you to literature, I give links to smart books, I’m trying to give some arguments. But there is no point in this, the blind will not see, the deaf will not hear.
                      1. +1
                        10 January 2015 15: 04
                        I'm a little old for the troll, the sixth dozen are already coming.

                        Trolling - when communicating via a computer network - whipping up a communication participant (“troll”) of anger, conflict by covert or explicit bullying, humiliating, insulting another participant or participants,

                        and you, actually, who? Graduate of the 54 Fence Building?

                        Decide Dear who you are. A troll, not a troll or historian.
                        And the fact that you cite one book as proof (Series: "Gift Editions. Russian Imperial Library"), excuse me for a historian, this is somehow not solid
                      2. 0
                        10 January 2015 16: 18
                        How do you like to pull words out of context! I bring this book because it is one of the most recent. There is a lot of serious literature on this issue - E. Saveliev, Gordeev, Skrynnikov, Gumilev, Yakovenko ... It is difficult to list all. Yes, and it is unlikely that you will read it, because it is you who trolling.
                      3. -1
                        10 January 2015 18: 24
                        Nick. Alex
                        This is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye said about such "scientists as you.

                        May you not always be steadfast
                        And drank the bitter sly
                        But still it was a layer,
                        And now you have become a gasket.
                        N. Zinoviev.
                      4. -4
                        10 January 2015 20: 02
                        And it’s said about you that there is one gyrus, and that is from a cap.
                      5. +1
                        10 January 2015 20: 09
                        Nick. Alex
                        About you it is said where much more clearly, the intelligentsia-G ... NATIONS.
                      6. -4
                        10 January 2015 21: 08
                        That's it, we begin to spray with saliva from impotence. Sharikovs and Shvondery - go ahead! Or do not know what kind of characters?
                      7. +1
                        10 January 2015 22: 46
                        Nick. Alex
                        Powerlessness, Alien, you already pour right over the edge, poisonous foam.
                        You are the same "Cossack" as a rooster, the leader of the nobility, however, in the barn the rooster is a boyar ...
                        I’m telling you exactly, as a Russian person, to someone else, to someone who wants to harm my country.
                      8. -3
                        11 January 2015 00: 56
                        Harm to my country is brought by people like you, who think you are the most correct. Russian people have always been tolerant of all the peoples inhabiting the Russian State. Who gave you the right to judge others? Lord God you do not believe in? Or the mummy of Lenin?
                      9. +2
                        11 January 2015 14: 56
                        Nick. Alex
                        Russian people, yes, have always been tolerant of foreigners, BUT NEVER tolerated inside themselves IUD-traitors of the motherland, did not tolerate those who arrange a split in Russia.
                        So here you are in a big way got into a dunghill ..
                        With regards to Lenin, and Joseph Stalin, .... judging by the nonsense that you have already set up here, then in this case all your knowledge, the value is much lower than ZERO.
                        So it’s better to be silent, you won’t be a smart one, well, at least you’ll not look like you’re going at all.
                  2. +3
                    10 January 2015 19: 05
                    Quote: Nick. Alex.
                    Why is the recognition of the fact that the Cossacks are unique in their national-cultural qualities that causes so much fury?

                    So much rage is caused by the amazing untidiness and the multitude of "natural Don Cossacks". And how they exploit "the uniqueness of national and cultural qualities." What the Cossacks really won with their heroic deeds and lives is now used, at best, to extract a "small profit" from the sale of Cossack popes and nuts, from the initiation of any foreigner into the Cossacks, at worst - to split the Russian people. Well, you are surprised that, feeling all the danger of the violent activities of the "natural Don Cossacks" for Russia in general and for every citizen of Russia in particular, we do not admire her.
                    1. -2
                      10 January 2015 21: 23
                      Wow, how much pathos! So, selling whips and hats is unclean, and matryoshka and earflaps are right and patriotic. Initiation into any Cossacks is a comic rite that has nothing to do with the present. And those very clowned clowns are doing this, which neither we nor you like. And to give Russian citizenship to everyone right and left (the same Depardieu, with all due respect to him) is good and right. But we are not splitting the Russian people, trying to revive our national-cultural essence, but you, for whom, if not Russian, then the enemy. And I repeat once again - the Cossacks are part of the Russian world, our slogan at all times is For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland. Start understanding people, begin to understand them - and you will be happy.
  13. -2
    9 January 2015 22: 57
    For those who care:
    "History of the Russian Cossacks", EKSMO, Moscow, 2014, Russian Imperial Library. The edition is rare, with a circulation of only 4000. But you can find it. Get answers to many questions. There are many other literature, who is interested, will find. And then there will be something to talk about. And not at the level - one woman said.
    1. +2
      10 January 2015 12: 02
      I inform about the criteria for determining the people: 1) own statehood 2) own culture 3) own socio-economic structure 4) own language or dialect - further on the little things
      .
      Cossacks as a people formed in the 12-13 c. As a result of the mixing of the Rus who lived in the Sea of ​​Azov, the Alans and other peoples during the time of the Mongol-Tatar invasion.

      Question. What do Don Cossacks have in common with Alans (Ossetians), kasogs (Adygs), Circassians, Khazars. After all, from your words, are these ancestors of the Don Cossacks?
      1. -2
        10 January 2015 13: 01
        I explain for those who are dull - the Don Cossacks formed as a result of the mixing of many peoples, but the Slavs, the Russians, who remained isolated from the main territory of Russia in connection with the fragmentation of the Russian state, served as the basis. By the way, in this territory Christianity was adopted 100 years earlier than in the rest of Russia. Further, the Cossacks willingly accepted all the best that could borrow from other peoples - in military, cultural, state terms. I don’t see the point of listing, open any decent book on the history of the Cossacks, you will find there. I only note that it was the merging of different cultures that gave the world such a unique people - the Don Cossacks, to which I have the honor to belong!
    2. 0
      10 January 2015 12: 47
      And let's, as a historian, consider the Russian Orthodox Church from the point of view of your definition of the people.
      1. +1
        10 January 2015 13: 13
        Is the Russian Orthodox Church a Russian Orthodox Church? And where does the definition of the people? The church is supranational; it unites many nations. For the Church there are no Russians, Cossacks, Ukrainians, etc. We are all children of God.
        1. +2
          10 January 2015 14: 51
          Is the Russian Orthodox Church a Russian Orthodox Church? And where does the definition of the people?

          Your words?
          I inform about the criteria for determining the people: 1) own statehood 2) own culture 3) own socio-economic structure 4) own language or dialect - further on the little things

          Culture is its own, its own way of life, its own language, about statehood, is a little controversial here. Well, what is not the people? However, they are considered to be the estate, what is better for the Cossacks?
          1. 0
            10 January 2015 14: 53
            Here is the restless!
            Separate flies from cutlets: clergy - estate. The church is an association of believers.
            1. +1
              10 January 2015 15: 09
              The church is an association of believers.

              And the Vatican is a state.
              1. 0
                10 January 2015 16: 21
                The Vatican is a state within one block. The Catholic Church, as well as the Orthodox Church, is not a state. Church is a supranational concept.
              2. -2
                10 January 2015 16: 24
                Sma11 (
                BRAVO!!
                And this Rostov "scientist" ... a sent Cossack, an ALIEN'S HE.
                1. -4
                  10 January 2015 16: 36
                  You already got it, I’m a stranger to you, an ignoramus. Militant stupidity has not brought anyone to good. For people like you, it’s only important to say something disgusting.
                  1. 0
                    10 January 2015 17: 11
                    Nick. Alex
                    And what do you want, ALIEN? What would your militant stupidity be elevated to the rank of holiness here or something? Condone your attempts to split my country?
                    And if you would not walk in the forest, far and for a long time, in search of a bowl of zedy silage, buck is called, in common parlance Judas 30, where you get your inspiration, describing here the sufferings of the "unrecognized people"
                    Alien to you.
                    1. -4
                      10 January 2015 19: 42
                      Those like you, betrayed Russia at 17, destroyed millions in the Civil, dispossessed, demolished the church. Who is not with us, is against us, right? Your country, you say? Because of people like you, stubborn and stupid, confident in their own and only in their righteousness, unacceptable to a different opinion, the once-powerful country fell apart. Who gave you the right to judge? Lenin, Trotsky? Or Zhirinovsky? We do not need your recognition, the main thing is that we ourselves know who we are and where from. The dog barks, the caravan goes on.
                      1. +2
                        10 January 2015 20: 09
                        Quote: Nick. Alex.
                        Those like you, betrayed Russia at 17, destroyed millions in the Civil,

                        Funny story what Do not remind who forced Kolyan # 2 to renounce, and who, after the renunciation, was the first to tear off a piece of Russia and yell about his exceptionalism?
                        Hint, February 1917, the Bolsheviks in full ass, about 20000 people and the entire Republic of Ingushetia, scattered throughout Siberia, emigration and illegal immigrants, the influence on events within the country is ZERO.
                      2. +2
                        10 January 2015 20: 13
                        Nick. Alex
                        Oh, well, that's it, swampy outward ..
                        Liberast, did you think that in a pseudo-scientific way, your stench of a corrupt Judas, ready to ruin a country, is not immediately visible?
                        I can see what is very clearly and clearly, no matter how you wriggle here.
                        My country was brought down by people like you, self-activists, such as you narrow-minded nationalists, like you, pseudo-intellectuals, who are nothing but an increased stench and constant lies.
                        And like you, in our country, there will be no place, THE SECOND time, as in 90, you will not be able to bring down the country.
                      3. -2
                        10 January 2015 21: 39
                        Listen, you fool, you have spoiled the whole forum with your toilet vocabulary. You don’t understand the explanations, you don’t accept arguments, do you even know how to read? Why so much anger? Let me answer you, I will call the last of the bloody Trotsky, Christ the seller, narrow-minded Natsik, stinky footcloth, zyuganovskoy litter. Satisfied? If you have something to say on the case - say no, better shut up. Your verbal diarrhea smells bad. In the 17th this was already taking place - the intelligentsia and the clergy - with hostility. Such as you, by the way. Do you believe in God, champion of Lenin? I did not try to go to church, maybe there enlightenment will descend on you. But the narrow-minded nationalist is you. Or Russian, or death? So what do you think?
                      4. +1
                        10 January 2015 22: 51
                        Nick. Alex
                        About how, a pseudo-evidence, a pseudo-scientist, began to speak on a hair dryer that was the only hair dryer available for the yard?
                        Hmm, the grave deeds of your Lord, that you are forced to support such a holy fool as this extremely stupid gentleman in an extremely useless body and an absolutely false damn mind ..
                        Remember, the punks are liberal, NO and WILL NOT have ANY support in the society, no matter how you disguise yourself, you are the STONY PRE-ALIEN from you and all your ALIEN plans, to the detriment of our country.
                        So what about better calm down, for me you are like a frog on a preparation table ...
                      5. -4
                        11 January 2015 01: 07
                        We have to go down to the level of cattle, what to do when a normal language is not available for perception. We do not need the support of your miserable fascist world, we will somehow manage it ourselves. And why are you turning to God, because for you, reds, he does not exist. And the frog needs to dissect knowledge, and not the ideologically correct way of thinking. Everything stinks to you, enemies seem to you everywhere - have you tried to consult a psychiatrist?
                      6. 0
                        11 January 2015 14: 59
                        Nick. Alex
                        Where do you go if your level and so far below the level of urban sewage 7
                        the frog is even more interesting for cognition than you are in your extreme degree of poor mind.
                        So the liberal punks, with a feverish gaze, a lying tongue and an inflamed mind, scolded the trochs, you already so much rubbed so much nonsense that I really had doubts about your mental viability ..
  14. +8
    10 January 2015 16: 32
    Dear Nick. Alex
    They are trying to explain to you that the Cossacks are an estate, not a people, as you are trying to position it.
    Even based on the fact that the Don Cossacks (as you say) are people. That to whom you will refer Khopersky, Khlynovsky, Meshchersky, Semirechye, Volga, Northern, Siberian, etc. etc. Cossacks, not to mention the Cossacks of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, Buryatia, Kalmykia, Manchuria, China and Poland? Which differ not only in culture, way of life, language, but also in faith.
    However, it is understandable why you emphasize that the Don Cossacks are people.
    First, recognition by the people, then recognition of the genocide of this people, then separatism and the swing of dough from the center and receiving other preferences.
    And if the estate, then the Bolsheviks slaughtered the nobility, and the merchants, and the clergy, and the peasantry, and philistinism, and the Cossacks, and this is already a political struggle.
    1. +1
      10 January 2015 16: 57
      Sma11
      Excellent.
      It would be worth adding, in 1920, not the Whites and all kinds of lackeys of the Nazis subsequently built Russia, even in the image of the Union, but those who chose the Red Idea, including the overwhelming number of Cossacks, all Cossack associations available at that time.
      And it would also be worth recalling that the Cossack formations in the Red Army, were restored with the right to wear uniforms, in 1936, and these Cossacks, the glorious heirs of the brilliant victories of the Cossacks Platov, Ermak and others, as part of the Red Army, really with honor inherent in the Cossacks, broke neck to aggressors.
    2. -3
      10 January 2015 20: 00
      Dear Sma11! In response, I try to explain to you that the Cossacks consider themselves to be a people. And no matter where they come from. Indeed, many of those you have listed are derived from the Don and Zaporizhzhya. And do you really think that the deliberate destruction of the Cossacks and the further policy of revelation is not genocide? And what kind of separatism, what kind of dough swing, what kind of preferences? Who will provide them to us - stubborn commies like vladkavkaz, for which everyone who disagrees with him must be destroyed? We only want to preserve and revive our national cultural traditions. Or should everyone be the same as in America - there are African-Americans, and we will have Tatarorussian, Kazakorussian, etc. Where did you hear about any territorial claims? Or do you think that stupid and completely divorced from realities people who seriously think about separation from Russia live on the Don?
      1. +2
        10 January 2015 20: 14
        Nick. Alex
        So blow to America, to African-Americans and other geyropeytsami, here you are ALIEN.
        1. -5
          10 January 2015 21: 43
          Well, what a stubborn ram! What is your next vyser? What is the logic? Have you ever read what I talked about in that message? Or is my eyes angry?
          1. +1
            10 January 2015 22: 56
            Nick. Alex
            The language of the courtyard thugs ... "scientist" ??? Shpana, never and nowhere, to anyone and not how, to prove that she is smart, could not, the punks are a shpana, stupid, arrogant, deceitful and corrupt.
            Here's how much green silage you paid for, that you are pretending to be a holy fool, trying to look like a "Cossack", and even a "scientist" if you smell like a stranger.
            For only the ALIEN will, contrary to logic, contrary to science, try to knock on the wall like a ram, despite the open gates, proving what is not in NATURE.
            1. -4
              11 January 2015 01: 14
              Listen, you have obvious mental problems. Everything stinks to you, enemies seem to be everywhere ... And Soviet historical science, for your information, is no longer relevant. So put things in order first in the house so that it does not stink, and then, which is much more difficult, in the head.
              1. 0
                11 January 2015 15: 01
                Nick. Alex
                Ahahahaaa !!!
                Here is this statement ... Well, you have to ... You're not Kakamedik for an hour, Kakamedia of parallel sciences, the one that Fomenko has in honor?
                You’ll correct your attic, drafty, and so, you’ve blew the last brains out to make such a dreg as you grind here right now.
      2. +4
        10 January 2015 20: 32
        Indeed, many of those you have listed are derived from the Don and Zaporizhzhya.

        My friend, yes you have megalomania however.
        The term "Cossacks" in Russia has been known since the 14 century. Initially, the Cossacks are characterized by the instability of their organization, frequent changes in habitat. In general, in the 14-15 centuries, Cossacks were called free people, warriors united in "gangs" or "gangs" who lived on the southern and eastern borders of Russia, the Principality of Lithuania, and the Polish state. In this case, the Cossacks are opposed to the Horde, they are characterized by Christianity. The 1444 year includes an entry in Russian chronicles about the Cossacks of the southern regions of the Ryazan principality. (Http://dic.academic.ru/)

        In the 16 century, communities of Don, Grebensky, Tersky, Yaitsky and Volga Cossacks formed. Their number grew rapidly due to the fugitive population from various social groups, especially during periods of internal political crises, wars, famines. (Http://dic.academic.ru/)
        1. -3
          10 January 2015 21: 50
          Well, what can I say if, apart from the textbook Soviet point of view on the history of the Cossacks, you do not accept any other. God is your judge.
          1. +2
            10 January 2015 22: 58
            Nick. Alex
            Well, I’m saying, a punks, who thinks they have the RIGHT to have a WORD, without even realizing that they have NO RIGHTS, a WORD, or anything BIGGER, A SPAN in life does not have.
            Go double, learn the HISTORY, and only then, maybe with adult uncles you’ll be verbally here ...
            The term "Cossacks" in Russia has been known since the 14th century. Initially, the Cossacks are characterized by the instability of their organization, frequent changes in habitat. In general, in the 14-15 centuries, Cossacks were called free people, warriors united in "gangs" or "gangs" who lived on the southern and eastern borders of Russia, the Principality of Lithuania, and the Polish state. In this case, the Cossacks are opposed to the Horde, they are characterized by Christianity. The record in Russian chronicles about the Cossacks of the southern regions of the Ryazan principality dates back to 1444. (http://dic.academic.ru/)
            In the 16 century, communities of Don, Grebensky, Tersky, Yaitsky and Volga Cossacks formed. Their number grew rapidly due to the fugitive population from various social groups, especially during periods of internal political crises, wars, famines. (Http://dic.academic.ru/)
            AT SCHOOL, running.
            1. -2
              11 January 2015 01: 18
              Uncle, read at least some other article about the Cossacks. And then you learn the whole story from the articles in the old Soviet encyclopedias. For your information, there are other materials on this issue. So - AT SCHOOL, we are building!
              1. 0
                11 January 2015 15: 04
                Nick. Alex
                Girl, I understand your hysteria, you wanted to flash your "mind" here, but flashed your ass ... It's bitter for you to realize that all your fuse, screams and screams, did not find grateful responses, because all your comments are crazy, like a hysterical, false and alien to the Russian people.
                REMEMBER, no one in the country, AUTHORITY in the country, WILL NOT give carriers the idea of ​​separatism within the Russian people, to have at least some kind of influence and even more so hope for success.
                Alien you and all your verbiage, Alien, to the detriment of the country.
      3. +5
        10 January 2015 23: 20
        Quote: Nick. Alex.
        We only want to preserve and revive our national cultural traditions.

        Cossack is your nationality ??? request
        With the same success, it can be argued that the inhabitants of Orel or Kursk are also a nationality ... wink it all smacks of the theory of "great ukrah"
        Quote: Nick. Alex.
        Who will provide them to us - stubborn commies like vladkavkaz, for which everyone who disagrees with him must be destroyed?

        And what do the communists have to do with your glorious alien national origin?
  15. 0
    10 January 2015 18: 25
    The one who sits with the saber is my great-grandfather. He fought for Belykh by conscience. For which he was "awarded" by the red commissars. I don't want to comment anymore.
    1. +2
      10 January 2015 18: 43
      Quote: SlavaP
      The one who sits with the saber is my great-grandfather. He fought for Belykh by conscience. For which he was "awarded" by the red commissars.

      Sad Then, in Ukraine, we will also remember.
    2. +2
      10 January 2015 18: 54
      SlavaP
      And you do not comment.
      Your great-grandfather fought against the PEOPLE, for which the PEOPLE rewarded him.
      The story has taken place.
    3. 0
      10 January 2015 19: 12
      Quote: SlavaP
      "awarded" by red commissars. I don't want to comment anymore.

      And it is not necessary. And then tell us how with this saber to the saddle he could destroy the "red commissar". By conscience. "now he is in London. He regrets terribly ..." (Zhvanetsky).
  16. fon_Stierlitz
    +2
    10 January 2015 19: 04
    As for the Cossacks, there is a very interesting opinion, let me quote it:
    The Cossacks in Russia was a special estate, whose duties were determined by the place of residence in the border regions. Whereas in the central part of Russia, peasants who worked on the land paid taxes and maintained nobles whose duty was to serve (both military and civilian), then the situation at the borders was different: the inhabitants of the borderland were not divided into taxable and serving estates, but completely made up the service. Accordingly, the property stratification in the Cossack regions is not as sharp as in the central part of Russia (there was a "dullness" and there were "prosperous", but this is not such a difference as, say, between a prince and a serf, or, for example, a beggar) ... Large farms, such as landlords, are not there. Therefore, after the abolition of serfdom, the process of development of capitalism in agriculture in the Cossack regions was slowed down. Neither a layer of very rich people, nor a layer of proletarians appeared among the Cossacks: even a Cossack, forced to farm, usually still has at least a small piece of land, a house and some kind of garden, a share in the mowing, etc. etc. Most often there is a horse - it is needed for service. And developed agricultural enterprises that would widely use machines in the Cossack regions did not appear: money is needed for this, and only large-scale farming, which is not there, can allocate money. Accordingly, if in Central Russia the peasant perfectly understands what a seeder, winder, reaper, thresher, etc. etc. (if he is a fist, then he has his own, and if he is poor, that is, experience in the kulak and landowners), then an ordinary Cossack has technical knowledge - at the level of a samovar. If we compare the Cossack with the worker, the difference is even sharper: the Cossack simply does not imagine what a factory is, what machine tools are, in what quantities they can be used to produce products - for him it is something mythical. What is the result? An undeveloped person, absolutely technically illiterate, unable to do anything - this is how an ordinary Cossack seems to be a resident of Central Russia. It looks like modern immigrants from the Caucasus, right? And at the same time he somehow has a horse - it's like a car now. On top of that, there’s a different dialect, different cultural traditions, a different appearance, etc. etc. But how does a Cossack see a worker or a laborer? He knows very well from his experience that labor should be applied to the subject of labor and to the means of labor: to the land, or to the forge, if the person is not a farmer, but a blacksmith. It turns out that in order to work, a person must have property, and if he does not have property, then he can not be anyone except a parasite. In Cossack regions, where there are almost no capitalist relations, this is true, but in Central Russia it is completely different. However, the Cossack does not know about this, and the worker, who doesn’t have a garden, and doesn’t have his own home, takes a corner, he considers it to be a parasite, despite the fact that he works almost half a day and creates so much cost that the Cossack never dreamed of. T. e. in general, the picture of the relationship is very similar to the current one - between Russians and visitors. But there is one more circumstance. The Cossacks are a service class, they are in Central Russia not just like that, but in the service — to suppress and disperse the speeches of the workers. You can imagine how cruel an illiterate, uneducated person will beat with a whip, chop with a sword and crush a horse with those who, in his opinion, are completely useless cattle, rebelling against God’s established ones (but what about? no one else) orders and the priest himself sovereign.
  17. +6
    10 January 2015 19: 28
    I’m the sixth dozen. I myself from the Khoper's Don Cossacks my family stretches from the time of Peter the Great, we have an icon transmitted along the male line. there are sons. she will go to the elder when he marries and always will be. because there is no translation for the Cossack family. esche to the topic, one pradet fought for white another for the red. for me all the Cossacks are brothers
    1. Cat
      +2
      10 January 2015 22: 04
      Guys stop - a little more and arrange before propaganda in the spirit of Goebels? The Third Reich-considered the Cossacks not RUSSIAN, but the descendants-OSTGOTOV !!! So, everything is simple - if you are a KAZAK, you are not RUSSIAN and your war against the USSR is justified and the point .....
      Ps. I myself am on the mother line of the Ural Cossack - Iset line. Great-grandfather managed to fight for both white and red. In the thirties he was repressed, like a fist. The second great-grandfather, the Ural worker, was a coal-tarmer, he fought for the whites, then for the reds, advanced to the Great Patriotic War along the party line, and came from the war as an officer. My mother’s grandmother married my grandfather in 1938. Grandfather in 1938 was called up for military service. He served in the NKVD troops until 1953. I’m not going to get into my father’s relatives, it’ll be even cooler and there will be more poisons. The problem is not who is white, who is red, who is generally green. I AM proud of them all !!!, my small task is to be worthy of them all.
      And the last - they don’t rewrite history, they live with history, they are proud of their history !!!
      1. +4
        10 January 2015 23: 03
        Cat
        A colleague, the whole conversation is that a certain Nick. Alex, just in a veiled way, promotes exactly what once got out of the direction of the Goebbels department, and not only him.
        We all understand perfectly well that dividing us into a Cossack, not a Cossack, is a matter of very cunning and very hostile forces. And this stuffing, like a supposedly "patriotic" article, is exactly what it is, a THROWING, to embarrass some news of immature heads who are ready to believe any scientific nonsense.
        Even as creative advertisers, like this one Nick. Alex and couples sculpting minuses to opponents and pluses to this pseudo-scientist are here ..
        And so, a real Man, a WARRIOR, regardless of whether he is a Cossack or not, is more respected than the screamers driving a wedge between us all in our country.
      2. -2
        10 January 2015 23: 05
        That's right, it's time to stop already. And to put an end to: what Goebbels believed there, we do not care. As already mentioned above, the Cossacks are derived from the Russian people. And we are proud of his history, as well as the history of the entire Russian state. The revival of the Cossacks as a national-cultural community has nothing to do with separatism, the collapse of the country, etc. And I fully agree with your words - you have to be worthy of your ancestors. Amen.
        1. +1
          10 January 2015 23: 13
          Nick. Alex
          Do not make a smart face, it is beyond your strength.
          What you are and what smells of you is higher in the comments.
          ALIEN you, who have no relation whatsoever, to the Russian people.
          1. -4
            11 January 2015 01: 25
            Again, I repeat, you have problems smelling. It stinks everywhere. You have problems however, my friend! And so I see the clever, spiritualized face of the Russian fascist nationalist.
      3. +3
        10 January 2015 23: 44
        Quote: Kotischa
        Ps I'm on my mother’s side the Ural Cossack

        Perhaps the only Cossacks who swore an oath of 17 and subsequently did not change all of the Urals, or were knocked out, and who survived left, then mother
        Quote: Nick. Alex.
        Yes, we believed and still believe that the Cossacks are a separate people. but it’s a derivative of the Russian people,

        Stupid, even though the university graduated. What tries separate people? There was a boiler, where the mixture was cooked. As in the Arkhangelsk province. The truth is cooler here than on the Don, but the people, although diverse, are calmer, one friend has the surname Weber, the other Yanchenko Yes ... When, one, shebutnoy said that the Pomors were a separate people, at first they did not understand him, and then they found out where he got the money from, then the criminal and the term. And now, look: Sonny, like all of ours, pulls an urge in the north, on Novaya Zemlya, the Ural drives. Further north, the border, and the geography ends. So which of you two is a Cossack? Although, he does not consider himself as such.
  18. Mikhalych63
    0
    11 January 2015 04: 37
    The state needed the Cossacks when the state was unable to preserve the state with its resources. And today all state structures-the border, police and the Armed Forces are available, so why, as such, Cossack people is not a nationality, not a military unit in the service of -you, they don’t even represent law enforcement bodies. It’s something like a public organization, like veterans of military service, labor, like a society of hunters and fishers, etc. Today, some defend Novorosia, honor and glory to them, and also not without the authorities’ claims to these formations.
  19. -2
    11 January 2015 10: 29
    Well, now a few facts:
    Cossacks as a people, Cossack people - a concept that considers Cossacks, in particular Russian Cossacks, as a separate people, presumably East Slavic, along with Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians.
    The point of view on the Cossacks as a separate people of central Eurasia is found in documents of the XVII century, and possibly earlier.
    In Levshin we meet, for example: "This idea, to which we are already accustomed, is refuted by Eastern historians, claiming that the Cossacks constituted an independent and independent people in the most distant centuries of our chronology. Some even attribute their existence further to R. X. It is certain that Firdevsi , or Ferdusi, who lived about 1020, that is, two centuries before the appearance of the Mongol-Tatars in the west, in the “History of Rustem” mentions the Cossacks and the Cossack khans ”.
    Nowadays, this theory, along with others (Cossacks as Russian "free people", Cossacks as estates of hereditary Cossack soldiers) serves as the ideological basis for the revival of the historical, cultural and spiritual heritage of Russian-speaking Cossacks around the world, including Eastern and Western Europe , Russia, Ukraine, USA, etc.
    Подробнее: http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8_(%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%
    80% D0% BE% D0% B4)
    1. +2
      11 January 2015 13: 29
      Informative
      Just further ... (http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/M.Asien/XIX/1820-1840/Levs
      chin /
      text7.htm)

      It is certain that Ferdevsi, or Ferdusi, who lived around 1020, that is, two centuries before the appearance of the Mongol-Tatars in the west, in the "History of Rustem" mentions the Cossacks and Cossack khans. From his writings and the most ancient Persian chronicles, which he used, it is known that the ancient Cossacks, like the later ones, glorified their name with robberies and raids, that their main weapon was spears, and that therefore, in Asia they began to call their name any crowd of riders, armed with spears, and engaged in the craft of genuine Cossacks, that is, robberies and attacks on neighboring lands... So, the Tatar Cossacks, revered by us for the original Cossacks, were only imitators and their name was not Tatar, but taken from another people. This news makes interpretations and translations of the word "Cossack" (In the Jagatai original of the notes of the famous Baber Mirza, the word "Cossack!" Is found several times in the meaning of a vagabond and derivatives from it: Kazaklyk (vagrancy), Kazaklamak (to wander, wander), but these meanings are clearly borrowed from the way of life of the people called the Cossacks.During the rule of the Tatars in Russia, free people from the peasant class were called Cossacks, that is, they had the right to move from one land to another at their discretion. From this class of people the name of the Cossacks of Zaporozhye and Don comes from. Fugitives from Russian possessions, who settled on the banks of the Dnieper and Don, held or appropriated the name of the Cossacks, that is, free people; sometimes their gangs were also called freemen, in a word, the same meaning with the name Cossack (approx. Mr. Senkovsky)) superfluous... The meanings given to this word later are already the application and adaptation to the way of life or armament of the primitive Cossacks, but their very name as a proper name of the people is not subject to either translations or etymological disputes. Consequently, those who worked in vain were those who produced it from a booger, a goat or goat skins (Manuscript composition about the Cossacks, mentioned in the "History of the Russian State". Vol. V), from a Kypchak (Note to the "History" of Abulgazi Bayadur (Part 9 . Ch. 9)), from the Dnieper spit (Scherer in "Annales de la petite Russie" and Gartknoch in the "History of the Polish Republic".), From the Slavic commander Kazak (Synopsis), from the Khazars (Sestrentsevich city History of Tavria) and so Further. However, the injustice of these opinions has already been recognized.

      Alexey Iraklievich Levshin (1798 — 1879) - statesman of the Russian Empire; one of the theorists of the reform of the liberation of the peasants, a member of the State Council.
      It is impossible to suspect him of sympathy for the "Reds" and the Bolsheviks "who brazenly rewrote the history of the Cossacks."
  20. -2
    11 January 2015 10: 38
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    CONCLUSION OF THE EXPERT №235 / 2011


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    date 01.06.2011
    Expertise production time!
    The examination started on April 25, 2011. The examination ended on June 01, 2011.


    Grounds for the examination: determination of the Volgograd Regional Court of April 25.04.2011, 28 in a civil case in a lawsuit on the liquidation of a public association of October 2010, 03 No. 13-10275 / XNUMX
    The circumstances of the case established by the court (from the court ruling on the appointment of the examination):

    The Volgograd Regional Court, having examined in open court on April 11, 2011, a civil case on the application of the Office of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation for the Volgograd Region on the liquidation of the regional regional national-cultural autonomy of the Cossacks of the Volgograd region, established the following.

    The Office of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation for the Volgograd Region appealed to the Volgograd Regional Court with a statement on the liquidation of the public association “Regional National-Cultural Autonomy of Cossacks of the Volgograd Region”. In support of the statement, the plaintiff referred to the fact that such a form of Cossack self-organization as national-cultural autonomy is not provided. The defendant was twice invited to hold a general meeting to decide on the reorganization of national-cultural autonomy in the Cossack society, or on amendments to the charter in connection with the change of name.
  21. -2
    11 January 2015 10: 41
    The court, after hearing the explanations from the plaintiff and the defendant, taking into account the content of the norms of the Federal Law “On National-Cultural Autonomy”, came to the conclusion that for a correct and objective resolution of the case it is necessary to establish whether the Regional National-Cultural Autonomy of the Cossacks Volgograd areas ”with signs giving the right to create national-cultural autonomy and for this purpose to appoint an ethnological examination.

    The Volgograd Regional Court determined to appoint in this case an ethnological examination, the production of which should be entrusted to Valery Vladimirovich Stepanov, candidate of historical sciences with a degree in ethnology (Ethnoconsulting LLC, 119991, Moscow, Leninsky Prospekt 32-a). Ask the expert the questions listed on pages 2-3 of this expert opinion.

    The expert of Ethnoconsulting LLC is Valery Stepanov, born in 1961, higher education, academic degree, candidate of historical sciences, specializing in ethnology, work experience in the specialty of 23 years, including 10 years of experience in expert work.
    conducted an ethnological examination in a civil case.
    The following are submitted for examination:

    Civil case No. 3-27 / 2011 on 189 pages on the statement of claim of the Office of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation for the Volgograd region on the liquidation of the public association "Regional national-cultural autonomy of the Cossacks of the Volgograd region."

    The following questions were put to the expert’s permission:
    1. How is the meaning of the terms “Cossacks” and “Cossacks” defined from the standpoint of ethnology?
    2. Do “Cossacks” and “Cossacks” belong to an ethnic community?
    3. Is the term “national-cultural self-determination” acceptable in relation to “Cossacks”, “Cossacks”?
    4. Is the term “national minority” acceptable in relation to “Cossacks”, “Cossacks”?
    5. If the answer to the previous question is yes, answer whether the “Cossacks” and “Cossacks” in the Volgograd Region are in the situation of a national minority?
    6. Is the use of the terms “preservation of identity, development of language, education, national culture” in relation to “Cossacks”, “Cossacks” acceptable?
    I’ll add that on all issues the expert gave a positive answer, and the court, by its decision, recognized the Cossacks as a national-cultural community, i.e. as a separate people. Bingo!!!
    1. +4
      11 January 2015 12: 49
      The Cossacks are not a nationality, but an estate! Learn the materiel!
      1. -4
        11 January 2015 13: 17
        Another professor showed up! I’m teaching materiel, and I advise you to replenish school knowledge with more serious literature. If you read the forum, you will find! Good luck in knowing the unknown!
        1. +4
          11 January 2015 14: 35
          Quote: Nick. Alex.
          Another professor showed up! I’m teaching materiel, and I advise you to replenish school knowledge with more serious literature. If you read the forum, you will find! Good luck in knowing the unknown

          But!
          The history of the Cossacks has been discussed more than once on VO. "If you read the forum" a little more than you are registered, you will find that the Turks dispute the palm of the "firstborn Cossacks". According to their information, the first Cossacks spoke Turkic. You are "mankurt" in their language, you have lost your roots wink So, you are not the first with a separate "fourth people". By the way, Russians are sometimes called by Kazakhs "the fourth zhuz". Drawn from VO.
          What nobles do you classify as nobles? However, they are also a separate national-cultural community; in certain periods of history they did not even speak Russian.
          Poorly teach the "materiel" of history. Not good for anywhere.
          1. +3
            11 January 2015 14: 47
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            What nobles do you classify as nobles? However, they are also a separate national-cultural community; in certain periods of history they did not even speak Russian.

            Well said! You + 100500
            In this regard, I would like to note that my family has been living in the city of Armourers for 300 years and has been producing weapons from time immemorial, almost the entire population was engaged in this craft here and they were called "Kazyuks" (state people who worked at state-owned factories, or as private traders, but for the benefit states) can also be considered as a separate nationality? lol
            1. +1
              11 January 2015 19: 48
              Quote: DRA-88
              In this regard, I would like to note that my family has been living in the city of Armourers for 300 years and has been producing weapons from time immemorial, almost the entire population was engaged in this craft here and they were called "Kazyuki"

              Quote: DRA-88
              ... can also be considered as a separate nationality? lol


              Of course, what kind of market can it be? wink
              Honor and glory to the "Kazyuks"! Somehow I will "call" the children. My children can also be called gunsmiths, only they create weapons for both aviation and air defense of Russia. They live, however, in different cities. On New Year's Eve, everyone gathered at home.
              "300 years." I only know that my great-grandfather five generations ago was a peasant in the south of the Oryol region. And then the miners, the Stolypin reform, and the father was already called up from Alma-Ata, became a career soldier.
              So that I am "tumbleweed", although I am "hereditary Russian" wink
              1. +1
                11 January 2015 20: 07
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                So that I am "tumbleweed", although I am "hereditary Russian"

                Welcome hi
                You see, we are Russians! drinks
                And then the "Cossack" started an alien nation laughing
                PS. About the nobles Your statement is just superrr !!! Beautifully you Cossack washed laughingRespect!
                So you can and the merchants in the nation well, etc. laughing
                1. +2
                  11 January 2015 20: 28
                  Quote: DRA-88
                  Greetings hi
                  You see, we are Russians! drinks

                  Have a nice one you too!
                  Quote: DRA-88
                  And then the "Cossack" started up an alien nation laughing

                  Well, now "historians" are divorced! It's good that some other "historian" from ukpov did not wander about on this topic.
                  Well, if only Nik.A. re-read Sholokhov ... You can say a real Cossack historian. So, no reads a "smart" book.
          2. +2
            11 January 2015 15: 25
            the palm of the "firstborn Cossacks" is disputed by the Turks. According to their information, the first Cossacks spoke Turkic

            To your piggy bank ...
            Kuchum, the last Siberian khan, was a Kyrgyz Cossack. Having seized Isker with the force of arms and the assassination of the princes Yadigar and Bekbulat reigning in him (See: Siberian Chronicles; Fisher. History of Siberia (Introduction, § 84); History of the Russian State. T. IX. Approx. 644), he must have had about themselves and the army, composed of their former compatriots. Consequently, Ermak and his associates, no doubt, fought with the Cossacks, or the current Kyrgyz Cossacks. (http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/M.Asien/XIX/1820-1840/Levschin/text7.htm
            )
            1. Cat
              0
              11 January 2015 21: 09
              Add - Kuchum was from Bukhara? !!
              Moreover, the descendants of the Tatars who came with Kuchum still live in the south-west of the Sverdlovsk region and distinguish themselves from both the Bashkirs and the Siberian Tatars (Tyumen).
            2. +1
              11 January 2015 23: 13
              Quote: Sma11
              To your piggy bank ...
              Kuchum, the last Khan of Siberia, was a Kyrgyz Cossack. Having seized Isker with the force of arms and the assassination of the princes Yadigar and Bekbulat reigning in him (See: Siberian Chronicles; Fisher. History of Siberia (Introduction, § 84); History of the Russian State. T. IX. Approx. 644), he must have had about themselves and the army, composed of their former compatriots. Therefore, Ermak and his associates, no doubt, fought with the Cossacks, or the current Kyrgyz Cossacks. (Http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/M.Asien/XIX/1820-1840/Levschin/text7. htm
              Discussed here - in the article "Who are you, Ermak Alenin?"

              And so, in my opinion, Ermak, also from the nomad ..
              In short: in the Siberian ulus there was a confrontation between two ruling clans, the central and local elites. The first are the descendants of Siban (Sheibani, hence the name of the Sheibanid dynasty), the second are Kereits-Taybugids. Kuchum, who came to power, naturally "crumbled" the top of the Kereites into dill. One of the few surviving Kereites, Ermak fled to the Stroganovs. They supported him in returning the "father's table", like the Polish gentry to False Dmitry.
              It all ended with the fact that the Siberian ulus, partly became Russian. Another part of it, mainly steppe, went to the Kazakh Khanate and made up the core of the Middle Zhuz (if roughly) ..
          3. 0
            13 January 2015 21: 57
            Sorry, could not immediately answer, was sent to the ban at the request of one opponent. I answer in order.
            1. If you believe that VO is the ultimate truth, you are deeply mistaken. There are other sources that deserve attention.
            2. Nobility is an estate, it is not a national-cultural community. This is studied in school in the 7th grade, I understand what they could forget.
            3. I will not argue that you are a true connoisseur of Russian history.
            1. 0
              14 January 2015 08: 59
              Quote: Nick. Alex
              could not immediately answer

              Happy New Year! We, a unique country! Where else can you find this in the world? And we can celebrate the New Year on March 1 and September 1. winkIn how! Four times a year!
              Not worth an apology. Ban is a reason, all the more deserved. Not an argument in disputes, "dumbass, ram, cattle level ...". We are not in hand-to-hand combat and not in a fight, but behind the clave. I am a hot-tempered person, but, as you can see, there are no bans yet. wink
              And to you in order:
              1. "VO" is not the truth, but a platform for the exchange of opinions. But the site, thanks to articles and more even comments, changed my opinion on some questions, not a young man. I didn’t think about them before or didn’t know about them.
              2. The nobility, of course, the estate. Like the Cossacks. My knowledge allows us to draw such a conclusion. Your arguments about the individual Russian people did not convince me.
              3. I have never pretended to be a historian and "a true connoisseur of Russian history! So, an amateur."
              1. +1
                14 January 2015 09: 56
                And you too with the holidays! Let all the battles take place behind the clave, in real life there are enough real problems that we all need to fight together. And a different look at any moments should not interfere with this.
                I love VO, I read for a long time, I like the direction of the site, maybe I do not always agree with some articles. Yes, and I would just read this and that’s all, but I was just indignant at the very first comment, the devil pulled up to register - well, it went ...
                Good luck to everyone in the New Year!
    2. +2
      11 January 2015 13: 55
      And I liked it
      Expert opinion

      Until the 2009 reptile, the Federal Law “On National-Cultural Autonomy” was in a kind of legal trap; On the one hand, he obliged the state to finance public organizations registered as national-cultural autonomy (NKA), and on the other, did not provide specific mechanisms for the implementation of citizens' character of national-cultural autonomy. According to the norms of the Law, any group of citizens permanently residing in a certain municipal territory can act as the founder of the NCA in support of any (and it turns out, even fictitious) ethnic community.
      The establishment of laws of any formal procedures that determine the “real existence” of various ethnic communities, regardless of the convictions of the citizens who are the founders of the corresponding NCA, would lead to a violation of constitutional norms and discrimination of citizens on the basis of nationality. The author of this expert opinion, as an expert of the Committee on Nationalities Affairs of the State Duma of the Russian Federation in the 2008 year, participated in the discussion of this legislative conflict. The problem was overcome in 2009 by adopting an amendment to the Federal Law "On National-Cultural Autonomy" 5, according to which the financial support of public organizations of the NCA from the government should not be mandatory.
      Thus, the right to national-cultural autonomy of citizens of any nationality remains unchanged. At the same time, citizens are not required to prove whether there really exists an ethnic community (nationality), whose culture they undertake to maintain and develop on their own initiative. Citizens are not required to prove that a certain ethnic community is an “independent people” of 6. Citizens are not required to prove that a particular ethnic community has the unique language of 7. At the same time, the state, for its part, has the right to make a separate decision in each specific case whether to support and in what form this or that public organization registered as national-cultural autonomy.
      It should be added that the concept of an independent / separate people in science is very arbitrary and can hardly be used in legal practice.
      The correlation of language and ethnic community is not unambiguous. In Russia, many ethnic communities use Russian as their native language.

      EXPERT: / signature /

      (http://dikoepole.com/2011/08/11/volgograd_nka/)
    3. Cat
      +1
      11 January 2015 21: 03
      Exactly - national cultural communityAnd not by the people !!!. In addition, the examination was carried out in part - the Cossacks, namely - Cossacks of the Volgograd region.
      Kuban Cossacks and Volgograd Cossacks, for example, will speak different dialects of the Russian language. Caucasian Cossacks have differences in clothing and even weapons. The Ussuri Cossack and Zaporizhzhya Cossack will differ not only in weapons but also in the methods of warfare, the rules of everyday behavior, even in the family structure. But they will all be - Cossacks
      In this case, you are replacing the concept of ethnicity and nationality? The very historical concept of the ethnonym "Cossack" denies the equality of the Cossacks = people. That's right - the Cossacks = Russian people. Remember turning around in the Cossack circle?
      Russian - Orthodox - be baptized, and that’s it!
      The very concept of "Cossack horde, Cossacks" is the Turkic ethnonym "free man, daring, robber". And I would like to draw your attention to the history of Kazakhstan. It was the Turkic name of the Cossack Horde that gave the classic derivative to Kazakhstan, which is inhabited by Kazakhs, or, in the interpretation of the Middle Ages, Cossacks.
      Therefore, it is necessary to perceive the Cossacks as tax stand guard Russian lands
  22. Crang
    +4
    11 January 2015 10: 46
    These guys did not really show themselves in the Donbass. At least reviews from the regular parts about them are not ice. They fight as they want and when they want. What orders are considered necessary - execute. Which they do not consider necessary - do not fulfill. In general, the help of the regular army is certainly not bad, but there is no hope.
  23. -1
    11 January 2015 10: 50
    Well, in order to finally finish off the failed colonels, we will send them to the works of E.F. Zyablovsky, an outstanding geographer and statistician of the Russian state, namely: General geography of the Russian Empire. Moscow, 1807, part 3, p. 16, where this highly respected pundit directly says that the Cossacks, in fact, are the fourth Slavic people, along with the Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian.
    Or again there will be screams - ALIEN! ALIEN! ALIEN! I repeat - you need to read smart books, not adapted for idiots.
    1. +3
      11 January 2015 14: 23
      where this highly respected learned husband directly says that the Cossacks, in essence, are the fourth Slavic people, along with the Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian.

      Where is this highly respected husband dividing peoples
      Cii 43 a million inhabitants according to the apparent similarity of language, are usually divided into the next main generation.

      Moreover, the Slavic peoples are divided into Russians, Cossacks and Poles.

      My opinion is a purely geographic survey.
      1. 0
        11 January 2015 17: 17
        But there is a definition of the Cossacks as a people? Or did I just make it all up now?
    2. +1
      11 January 2015 15: 09
      Nick. Alex
      Dumb, please?
      Repeat for those who are not able to READ and UNDERSTAND THE WRITTEN.

      Sma11 (1) SU Today, 13:29 ↑ New
      Informative
      Just further ... (http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/M.Asien/XIX/1820-1840/Levs
      chin /
      text7.htm)

      It is certain that Ferdevsi, or Ferdusi, who lived around 1020, that is, two centuries before the appearance of the Mongol-Tatars in the west, in the "History of Rustem" mentions the Cossacks and Cossack khans. From his writings and the most ancient Persian chronicles, which he used, it is known that the ancient Cossacks, like the later ones, glorified their name by robberies and raids, that their main weapon was spears, and that therefore in Asia every crowd of riders armed with spears began to call them by their name , and engaged in the craft of genuine Cossacks, that is, robberies and attacks on neighboring lands. So, the Tatar Cossacks, revered by us for the original Cossacks, were only imitators and their name was not Tatar, but taken from another people. This news makes interpretations and translations of the word "Cossack" (In the Jagatai original of the notes of the famous Baber-Mirza, the word "Cossack!" Is found several times in the meaning of a vagabond and derivatives from it: Kazaklyk (vagrancy), Kazaklamak (to wander, wander), but these meanings are clearly borrowed from the way of life of the people called Cossacks.During the rule of the Tatars in Russia, free people from the peasant estate were called Cossacks, that is, they had the right to move from one land to another at their discretion. From this class of people the name of the Cossacks of Zaporozhye and Don comes from. from Russian possessions, who settled on the banks of the Dnieper and Don, kept or took the name of the Cossacks, that is, people of the free; sometimes their gangs were also called freemen, in a word, the same meaning with the name of the Cossack (comment of Mr. Senkovsky)) unnecessary. , given to this word later, the essence of already application and adaptation to the lifestyle or armament of primitive Cossacks, but the very name and x as a proper name of the people is not subject to either translations or etymological disputes. Consequently, those who worked in vain were those who produced it from a booger, a goat or goat skins (Manuscript composition about the Cossacks, mentioned in the "History of the Russian State". Vol. V), from a Kypchak (Note to the "History" of Abulgazi Bayadur (Part 9 . Ch. 9)), from the Dnieper spit (Scherer in "Annales de la petite Russie" and Gartknoch in the "History of the Polish Republic".), From the Slavic commander Kazak (Synopsis), from the Khazars (Sestrentsevich city History of Tavria) and so Further. However, the injustice of these opinions has already been recognized.
      Alexey Iraklievich Levshin (1798 — 1879) - statesman of the Russian Empire; one of the theorists of the reform of the liberation of the peasants, a member of the State Council.
      It is impossible to suspect him of sympathy for the "Reds" and the Bolsheviks "who brazenly rewrote the history of the Cossacks."
      1. 0
        11 January 2015 17: 16
        Is it too lazy to rummage in the literature? The article clearly states that there is such an opinion, there is another. Everyone has the right to their own, especially since it is possible to confirm this opinion with documents. So you deign to stupid, but Sma11, although I do not agree with me, leads a calm and reasoned debate, for which I respect. But I don’t even want to pay attention to cries from the rear desk. Wilt, plant!
        1. +2
          11 January 2015 18: 24
          Of course vladkavkaz goes too far and periodically reposts me, but let's all the same get back to our bar ..., sorry, to the Cossacks.
          So to summarize.
          If, as you say, the Cossacks are Russified Eastern people (Kasogs, Circassians, Khazars, Torques, Pechenegs, black hoods) (V. Shambarov and L. Gumilyov).
          Then, accordingly, you must admit that the Cossacks belong to the Turkic group of peoples. But your statement ...
          Yes, we believed and still believe that the Cossacks are a separate people. but it’s a derivative of the Russian people, it’s the same as Little Russians, Belorussians, etc.

          Somehow does not fit in with this.
          If we take as a basis that the Cossacks are Slavs who settled in the empty lands of the Wild Field (V. S. Soloviev, Evgraf Savelyev)
          That much can fall into place. Like the statement
          Cossacks - representatives of the Cossacks, a complex social group, the military class, which developed on the outskirts of the Russian state in the XV - XVII centuries.

          Then, thanks to this, we can conclude that the Cossacks - subethnos - a compactly living community of people who belong to a larger nation (ethnic group), but differ in the characteristics of their culture and are aware of this difference. A subethnic group has a self-name, and its members experience a dual affiliation - to an ethnic group and a sub-ethnic group at the same time. (according to Gumilev L.N.)
          Examples of sub-ethnic groups: Pomors, Old Believers. In the ethnic group, the ruling (dominant) sub-ethnic group can be distinguished. Sub-ethnic groups can appear in various forms - as ethnographic groups living in a certain territory, as estates, as confessional communities, etc. But the criterion for their selection is always the behavioral characteristics and the opposition to the other members of the ethnic group (based on the mutual sympathy of the members of the sub-ethnic group) while maintaining ethnic unity.
          1. +1
            11 January 2015 19: 04
            Sma11
            Why go too far?
            Everything is simpler, remember the investigator’s trick, EVIL and GOOD?
            Well, here I am EVIL, on a lie, you are Kind (exposing the nonsense, showing gently where the so-called "scientist has, not just a RIP, but complete ignorance of the material)
            Only an absolutely ignorant person will persistently, not realizing the stupidity of his stubborn insidiousness, insist on separating the Cossacks from the whole whole RUSSIAN people. Among other interests, this whole theory has been in use since the time of Goebbels .. Just in case, I’ll remind you. .
            In the answer given to him, you can say a pill was sweetened for him so that he would not look like a fool at all.
            I myself wanted to ask him about his understanding of the terms, ETHNOS and Subethnos, but I saw that the guy was "learned" to the same degree as I am a Professor of Extraterrestrial Biology ..
            Therefore, he did not bother himself with questions, and only then with answers to his own questions, explaining to this quasi-scientist his not just delusions, but an extreme degree of stupidity, leading to very bad consequences.
            1. +2
              11 January 2015 20: 46
              You see, Dear vladkavkaz, our opponent intentionally or not engaged in sophistry and trolling (although we ourselves are not without sin). In addition, he refers to journalistic publications and the information that he was able to pull on Cossack sites. A real historian who exchanged the sixth dozen would not have fallen to this. Soviet teaching of historiography and source studies nevertheless provides some basis in historical research. Which are absent in this case.
              In addition, the emphasis on their Cossacks, is not entirely comme il faut in this case.
              1. +1
                11 January 2015 23: 02
                Sma11
                Yes.
                I agree with you.
                This is what hurts the eyes.
                And besides, my education allows me to judge where a person writes the truth, confident that this is really confirmed by the research of historians, and where there is an accumulated repetition of all kinds of myths, rumors and outright distortions, or simply inventions of some unscrupulous authors.
                I met this more than once when I found out the nature of the conflict of the first conflict between Ossetians and Ingush on the territory of Russia — a funny picture there ..
                And now, when in Ukraine, the notorious "scientists" have dug up some "ukrov" and from them they produce "history" of Ukraine, and everything on which they are based is PRINTED-FRG AND CANADA.
                That’s the answer, from where all sorts of delights for history hysteria are dragged to our country.
                Well, on the bill, rude .. Well, you know, the imprint of the profession leaves its stamp — I’m not used to familiarizing and kissing people who are not honest and deceitful.
                Especially when they are trying, as in this case, to question my officer Honor, a man who has given a lot of life to the service of the very Fatherland, which many have tried to stab since 90, ...
                1. +1
                  11 January 2015 23: 11
                  Well, on the bill, rude .. Well, you know, the imprint of the profession,

                  Well, it's like "a military man must know two languages: profane perfectly, Russian with a dictionary" good soldier
                  Himself such, but now mastering the great and powerful, and in recent years, before the demobilization, even at home, the mat sometimes broke out. Really - the military is a diagnosis laughing
                  1. +1
                    11 January 2015 23: 18
                    Sma11
                    Ahahhahahaa !!!))))
                    Well, for sure !!!
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                      13 January 2015 21: 46
                      Finally! They themselves were diagnosed, it remains only to consult with specialists about treatment. To begin with: civil society is not an army where the boss is smart, but all the other fools. It’s a little different here, it’s customary to listen to someone else’s opinion, calmly, without rudeness, argue, argue, etc. Literacy and education of a person is determined by the level of his communication with other people. There is something to say - say no - better shut up. When citing articles from Soviet textbooks in a dispute, you only dishonor yourself. And your rudeness does not paint the bright face of the Russian officers. Well, and especially the squealing. I can directly imagine how an adult, and probably already a gray-haired uncle, is running to complain to the moderator - save, offended me! Funny, dear! Yes, and should be ashamed.
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      11 January 2015 20: 01
      You minus for systematic rudeness. "Turn around, look at yourself!"
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    11 January 2015 11: 37
    Although the date is not round, it would be possible to make a more detailed article. Or give some links, at least to books or other sources, in which you can learn more about the history of the Cossacks. The article is news rather than fact-finding.
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    11 January 2015 15: 16
    It seems to me that if we look at the history of the Cossacks at least over the past 200-300 years, it will become clear that the Cossacks are still a special kind of troops. The Russian empire was expanding, new territories appeared, new borders, new neighbors, not always friendly. So a new employee appeared in the state - a warrior-farmer. He actively develops new territories and, if necessary, protects them, and he defends them not alone, but as part of a pre-assembled unit. It is clear that for such a long period their traditions, their dynasties appeared, their own culture developed.
    History does not stand still and the state’s need for such a number of agricultural soldiers has disappeared for various reasons, just like the need, for example, for chimney sweeps ... The chimney sweeps also had their own traditions, songs. There are, of course, guardian lovers. Only now they do not require any privileges.
    Just Cossacks-more.

    Closer to my understanding of the Cossacks - this is a rural precinct. Now, if there were not one, but thirty people in the village, here are the modern Cossacks.
    1. Cat
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      11 January 2015 21: 23
      In the Russian Empire, this was perfectly understood. The Cossacks, in principle, according to all regulations and charters, were - an irregular army. Moreover, the rights of the Cossacks were also endowed with "foreigners". Example - Bashkirs, Kalmyks. How they showed themselves in the wars with Napoleon, shine !!!
      There were other "irregulars" for example - the militia from the Caucasian highlanders. Moreover, they showed themselves well in the Russian-Turkish wars of the late 19th century. Including during the defense of Bayazet.
  26. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 13: 17
    Studying the history of the wars of the Russian state in the 16-20th centuries, we constantly come across the fact of the participation of the Cossacks in ALL these wars. In this regard, it is curious to know who the Cossacks are and where they came from. We open any encyclopedic dictionary, for example, "The Great Soviet Encyclopedia" (TSB) and read an article on the word "Cossacks": "... originally free people, from serfs, serfs, serfs, townspeople who fled from feudal oppression, who settled on the outskirts of the Russian state. The Cossacks finally took shape in the 16-17 centuries. The Cossacks fought with the enemies of the Russian state ... For the defense of the borders of the state, the Cossacks received a salary from the treasury, land for life, were exempt from taxes, had self-government from elected atamans ... ". Or the "Dictionary of the Russian language" (FRY) in the word "Cossack": "In the Russian state of the 15-17 centuries: a free man from the serfs, slaves, urban poor who fled to the outskirts of the state (Don, Yaik, Zaporozhye)." And then point 2: "The representative of the military class, which consisted of these free people ...". Practically the same formulations denote the Cossacks by the Military Encyclopedic Dictionary (VES).

    So, the background is clear. The peasants, not wanting to bend their backs on the landlords, flee, hide and begin a free life on the outskirts of the country. We open the map and see where are these secluded corners, in which hundreds of thousands (!) Of fugitive peasants with their families and belongings could have been hiding so successfully for at least two centuries. And what do we see. These are the largest, central, main rivers in Russia - trade and political highways! The wind farm reports that the largest Cossack regions of the 15-16th century. are DNEPR, DON, VOLGA, URAL and TEREK. It must be said right away that it is difficult to think of a more unsuccessful place to hide. Not only do trade and other caravans constantly pass here, but it is along these rivers that almost all major military campaigns of that time are directed (Ivan the Terrible, Yuryev, Sheremetev, Nozdrevaty, Rzhev, Adashev, Serebryany, Vishnevetsky, etc.). There are no forests, mountains, impenetrable swamps in which, for example, Old Believers tried to hide from Nikon's reform. All these areas are mostly steppe, which can be seen for many kilometers around and where the search for fugitives is maximally simplified. One must think that the fugitive peasants did not really want to be caught. Moving on. Historians claim that all these areas were uninhabited, unnecessary outskirts. That is to say, a backwater. And really, what else could get the fugitive peasants. Again we look at the map at the mentioned areas. For those who have not had a chance to visit the Kuban, the lower Volga or the northern Black Sea region, we will say that this is one of the most fertile places in climatic and geographical terms. There is a surprisingly even warm climate, chernozem soils, giving two harvests a year, vegetables, fruits, melons and gourds grow here. There is an abundance of fresh water here. Until now, these areas are called granaries and health resorts. There is even an old proverb about the local land: "stick a stick here and it will sprout." During the Great Patriotic War, by the way, the Germans exported land from these areas in trains. All of the above suggests that there is some strangeness in what traditional history calls the marginal uninhabited territories. And for much more modest places on earth, long bloody wars were fought. Such territories were given only to the strongest and most fortunate. And then runaway peasants, slaves and townspeople once - and just get themselves an earthly paradise for nothing.
  27. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 13: 21
    Further, it is even more strange. Runaway peasants are exempt from taxes! What does it mean? Those. Someone used to think that fugitive peasants would pay taxes. That their secret settlements and farms hidden in the steppes would be bypassed by a tax policeman, collecting tribute, and then decided not to do this? Historians are not confused by this. They say that the Cossacks were exempted from taxes because they protected the borders of Russia from numerous enemies. But this is even stranger. Why did fugitive peasants, serfs and townspeople suddenly begin to defend the borders of the state, from under whose oppression they had just fled? And by what means. In general, it is striking in this whole story that literally from the first days of their existence, the Cossacks have been simply fantastic activity. We see that the scattered groups of farmers and small people who fled from different parts of Russia, without any means of communication and, presumably, weapons, are instantly organized. And they organize themselves not into a working peasant community, but ... into a powerful army. Moreover, the army is not defensive, but a pronounced offensive. In fact, instead of sitting quietly, cultivating a vegetable garden and enjoying the will, as it would seem, the escaped peasant should do, the Cossacks begin military expeditions in all directions. And they do not go against some neighboring village, but attack the strongest states of their time. The theaters of the Cossack troops do not know the limit. They attack Turkey, Rzeczpospolita, Persia. They organize trips to Siberia. Their FLEET floats freely up and down the Don, Volga, Dnieper and Caspian. By the way, the idea of ​​historians that the Cossacks did not pay taxes for their service to Russia does not stand up to criticism, if only because it was Russia that got the most from the Cossacks in the 16-18 centuries. Let us recall at least the so-called peasant wars led by Khlopok, Bolotnikov, Razin, Pugachev. By the way, for some reason, the name PEASANT WARS does not catch the ear of historians when it comes to the COSSACK wars of Razin or Pugachev, and when, following the advice of the WES or TSB, you replace the word "Cossacks" with "fugitive peasants, slaves and townspeople" in the case of Poltava or Borodino battle and you get the phrase: "with a blow from the flank of the fugitive peasants, slaves and townspeople of the ataman Skoropadsky, the Swedish troops were put to flight" or "a deep roundabout maneuver with a passage to the rear of the fugitive peasants, slaves and townspeople of Ataman Platov stopped the offensive of the French troops" historians have no limit. They immediately begin to appeal to the second point of the definition of the Cossacks as a military estate in Russia, which remained until 1920.
  28. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 13: 22
    This raises a very interesting question, and when and how did this metamorphosis occur? When the runaway peasants turned into a MILITARY CONDITION, i.e. not just professional, but also hereditary military? An attempt to answer this question led me to a curious observation. Whenever Cossacks (or say this: the inhabitants of the territories indicated above) fight on the side of Russia or on the side favorable to it, they are called Cossacks. As soon as they smash the Romanov troops or take Russian cities, they are called either Tatars, or Basurmans, or rebellious peasants. Formally, it seems, nothing is hiding. It is enough to take the same wind farm and carefully read. However, you must admit that for a person who does not go deep into the essence of the matter, the replacement of names very much changes the perception of the material. Take the 17th century wars against the Romanovs (Cotton, False Dmitry, Bolotnikov, Razin). Who fought? Cossacks. What are the names of the wars in history books? Peasant riots. We take raids on Moscow, Serpukhov, Kaluga and other central Russian cities of the second half of the 15th - first half of the 16th century. Who was running? Cossacks. What are the raids called? Tatar. At the same time, the same people, fighting on a side advantageous for Russia against the Commonwealth, against the Turks or Swedes, are already called the "good word" Cossacks. While the lower reaches of the Volga is at war with Moscow, the Astrakhan Khanate is located there (from the same name it blows with something Basurman, alien and non-Russian), as soon as peace is made in 1556 and it (this Khanate) joins Russia, the Astrakhan Cossack army is already located here. Without any unnecessary explanations on the site of the Big Horde, on a map depicting the situation of the first half of the 16th century (Atlas of the Officer p. 205), the inscription Don Cossacks appears on the map of the second half of the 16th century (Atlas of the Officer p. 206). In place of the Edisan Horde - Zaporizhzhya Sich, in place of the Nogai Horde - Nogai and Yaitsky Cossacks. By the way, a Cossack or a Cossack is a Turkic word meaning "daredevil". This is somewhat strange if you stand on the positions of traditional history. Peasants, Orthodox Christians, Russians flee from the landlords and call themselves the Turkic word "daredevil". Why not Chinese or Finnish? In general, these runaway peasants of the 15-16th centuries appear before us as real polyglot. They called themselves the Turkic word, and called their commanders the proud Anglo-Saxon word headman - which in our opinion, in Ukrainian, means - leader, leader. This is what the wind farm says directly (p. 53) on the word ATAMAN. Let us return to the connection of Cossacks and Tatars. The close connection of these formations (common habitats, identical weapons, clothing, the method of warfare, the names of horde Cossacks) is complemented by constant joint action against external enemies. For example, the Tatars are most actively involved in the liberation war of the Ukrainian and Belarusian peoples against the Polish gentry, i.e. against Catholics in 1648-1654 The troops of Bogdan Khmelnitsky are entirely composed of Cossack and Tatar cavalry (although it is emphasized everywhere that the driving force of the war is the Ukrainian peasantry).
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    12 January 2015 13: 26
    Another small but colorful touch. The greatest commander of ancient Russia Svyatoslav Igorevich (who lived, according to traditional history, in the 16th century) was, it turns out, a Cossack! Here is a description of the meeting of the emperor Tzimiskes with Svyatoslav on the banks of the Danube, included in the "Story of Leo the Deacon" according to an eyewitness: "... He (Svyatoslav) sailed on a Scythian boat ... was of medium height, with thick eyebrows and blue eyes, with a flat with a nose, WITH A SHAVED BEARD AND A LONG DROPPED MUSHROOM. HIS HEAD WAS ALL NAKED, ONLY ON ONE SIDE OF HER HAIR A BUNCH OF HAIR HANGED, signifying the nobility of the family ... IN ONE EAR HIS VISELA GOLD, decorated with two pearls. " So, either the ancient Russian warrior Svyatoslav anticipated the events and became the pioneer of fashion and traditions for the Zaporozhye Cossacks of the 16th century, or the fugitive peasants of the 600th century in some unknown way found out and for some unknown reason decided to adopt and preserve the old Russian military traditions of the XNUMX-year-old (!) of prescription. After all, THREE UNIQUE features of the appearance of the Zaporozhye Cossacks are described - a drooping mustache, with a shaved beard, a forelock, and one earring in the ear, which was rightly hanging from Svyatoslav, since he was the only son of Olga and Igor, and according to the Cossack tradition, he had (or could) wear such an earring.
  31. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 13: 27
    That is not all. The old KAZAKH is called a direct text by the hero Ilya Muromets in Russian epics, which, according to the historians themselves, belong to the 11-12 centuries! Isn't it strange? Indeed, before the advent of the Cossacks for another half a millennium.

    It's funny that the fugitive peasants on the outskirts of the state are keenly interested in political and palace affairs in the capital. Throughout the 17th century, they all the time want to correct something in the structure of the state. Constantly rushing to Moscow with fanaticism. And they are interested in only one question. They want to put in the "right" king. Here it is not entirely clear where they get their weapons from, and at which shipyards they build the fleet (it was not the tsarist government that supplied its runaway slaves).
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  33. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 13: 31
    Summing up a brief analysis of the history of the Cossacks, I would like to note that, despite the most active participation of these highly organized, well-trained and armed troops in the political life of Russia, participation in all wars with external enemies and within the country since at least the 17th century, issues related to this the topic is carefully treated. The Cossacks are mentioned in passing in school and even university history courses. The two-month siege of Moscow by Ivan Bolotnikov's Cossacks takes place as spontaneous peasant uprisings on the outskirts of Russia. The trip to Moscow to restore the legitimate heir to the throne, Tsarevich Dmitry, is called "the False Dmitry's adventure" and the Polish intervention. However, historians can be understood. Apparently they themselves feel the illogicality of their definitions and their version of presentation. They are often confused even with the moment when the history of the Cossacks started. Either the 14th century, as the WEC claims, or the 15th, as the FRY insists, or the 16th, as the TSB says. Apparently, in the history of Russia, the old man Schlözer, there was no place for free daredevils who controlled gigantic territories right up to the end of the 18th century. And indeed, where should they be. The spaces where Cossacks need to be settled were all occupied before the 15th century. In time, before the 16th century, there was no place either. Wherever you stick - some Tatar hordes. It would be necessary to "get out" about how the Tatars and Cossacks got along on the same land at the same time. Either the Tatar oppression for the fugitives was preferable to the Russian, or the Cossacks and Tatars are the same thing. And in the 17th century, the deeds of these, who knows where they came from in huge numbers, Cossacks are so stormy and large-scale that you can no longer forget about them. So we got an unpretentious explanation with fugitive peasants, slaves and urban poverty, who, not having time to escape from Russia, have already successfully smashed neighboring countries, including Russia itself, from the moment of the turmoil and the coming to power of the Romanovs. And to smooth out, if possible, this absurdity had to be veiled as much information as possible. This is how peasant riots, Tatar raids, Polish invasions, and bandit gangs of atamans prowling the endless steppes of southern Russia were born. Some of the long-distance campaigns, apparently, had to be "smeared" in time and thrown into epic antiquity. In short, they did what they could. But the contradictions remained. And these contradictions, as shown above, are very obvious.
    1. +1
      12 January 2015 16: 30
      Stranger and weirder! More wonderful and wonderful! Everything is more curious and curious! Stranger and weirder! Everything is wonderful and wonderful!
      Alice


      Bravo! Bravo! Bravissimo! Troll Nick.Alex. is back!
      You Dear violated paragraphs c, d, f - this site.
      To answer again to your nonsense taken from (http://slavs.org.ua/kazaki)I consider it a burdensome task. Do not disgrace or flaunt your education.
      In my opinion, the education "I am a historian", nor the age "changed its sixties" does not quite correspond to reality.
      1. 0
        13 January 2015 21: 30
        Hello again! Solemnly declare that he returned from the ban, where he was sent accustomed to knocking to higher bodies by the failed colonel. Sma11, I considered you a more intelligent person, capable of a reasoned argument, able to listen to the opinions of other people. Unfortunately, nevertheless, as you yourself indicated below, the profession still left its mark.
        As you may have noticed, I am not at all alone in my opinion. And this you, people who are used to pushing powerless soldiers, is simply infuriating. How is it that someone disagrees with me! World turned upside down!
        In your opinion, all the materials confirming your opinion are correct. If the same article contradicts your theory, then it is obviously incorrect.
        It’s all dishonorable, comrade. Unworthy of the rank of Russian officer, sorry, ensign.
  34. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 16: 54
    What are you dear about? The above information is just an excuse to ask questions, just try to comment. What goes on in this article is of course bullshit, but the first part, I think, is quite interesting and is just on the topic of your debate
    1. 0
      12 January 2015 17: 01
      I will answer briefly.
      Applying the term "Cossack" to Ilya Muromets is a temporary fluctuation caused by the layers of later times. So you again got into a puddle ..
      You should not be so persistent, it’s easier to sit down and study the HISTORY, and not fantasies on this topic.
      In addition, a shaved head, not a novelty for those who are at war, can’t always keep track of mane in the hair, because warriors from the eyelids, short-haired, do not grab onto the enemy .. so here they are caught in the hole ..
      Do not be ashamed to be so naive, the former nickname is Nick.Alex.?
      Take the trouble to study at least not to carry any kind of nonsense, about Ilya Muromets
      Research
      Miller O.F. Ilya of Muromets and the heroism of Kiev. SPb., 1869. (Interpretation in the spirit of a mythological school and Slavophilism).
      Miller V. Excursions to the Russian folk epos. M., 1892.
      Propp V. Ya. Russian heroic epic, 2nd ed., M., 1958.
      Astakhova A.M. Bylina. Results and problems of study, M .; L., 1966.
      Azbelev S. N. About the early prototypes of Ilya Muromets and the epic prince Vladimir // Ancient Russia. Questions of Medieval Studies. 2005. No 3 (21)
      1. Firsov
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        12 January 2015 17: 09
        You are only commenting on the addition, try the very essence above the established one, in my opinion there is reason to think about it, I agree with you on Muromets, in appearance the prince and later the Cossacks were not convinced
        1. 0
          12 January 2015 17: 50
          Again...
          Have you once again decided to arrange races on the topic of what kind of Cossack Cossack you are?
          Well, for those of you, the basis for your exuberant fantasy is the theme of hairstyles ...
          http://xtrabass.livejournal.com/22632.html?thread=199272
          They would read something else, and not all this nonsense ...
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  35. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 17: 05
    I assure you, I have nothing to do with NickAlex
    1. +2
      12 January 2015 17: 32
      I have nothing to do with NickAlex

      God bless you judge. Although the presentation is similar.
      The above information is just an excuse to ask questions, just try to comment.

      I will comment.
      the largest Cossack regions of 15-16 century - it is the Dnieper, Don, Volga, Ural and Terek. I must say right away that it’s hard to come up with a more unfortunate place to hide. Not only are trade and other caravans constantly held here, that’s exactly along these rivers almost all the major military campaigns of that time were directed

      It would be strange to suppose that robbers and robbers (which were originally Cossacks) would hide in the forests, away from trade routes.
      The regular army always lost to the irregular (partisan) troops. A light cavalry in the steppe is difficult to catch.
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        12 January 2015 17: 40
        For those who did not happen to visit the Kuban, the lower Volga or the northern Black Sea region, we say that this is one of the most fertile places in the climatic and geographical plan. It has a surprisingly even warm climate, black soil, giving two crops a year, vegetables, fruits, and melons grow here.

        Cossacks, as well as other neighboring peoples, were engaged in cattle breeding and hunting. Could the plowmen breed such horse breeds as the Don, Hop?
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          12 January 2015 18: 00
          A. A. Gordeev - History of the Cossacks from the reign of John the Terrible to the reign of Peter I.

          Read, maybe come in handy (http://www.litmir.me/br/?b=159236)
          1. 0
            12 January 2015 18: 22
            Although I do not agree with the author of this book.
        2. 0
          12 January 2015 20: 33
          Back in the 1690th century. the Cossack plowman was despised by his fellows. And a little earlier, in XNUMX, the circle of the Troops, having learned that they were sowing bread on the banks of the Khopra and the Bear, prohibited the Don people from this trade on pain of death and confiscation of property. But life took its toll. The Cossacks sowed bread, cultivated vineyards, orchards, melons, mined salt, were engaged in horse breeding, trade, trades, crafts, fishing.
          (Chernikov I. The death of the Cossack empire: the defeat of the undefeated.)
      2. Firsov
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        12 January 2015 18: 30
        based on your logic, Cossacks were originally bandits and robbers, then why were the Don Cossacks under Ivan the Terrible and even with his grandfather Ivan III the Embassy Order?
        1. +1
          12 January 2015 20: 23
          In 1181, Novgorod-ushkuyniki founded a fortified camp on the Vyatka River, the town of Khlynov (from the word khlyn - “ear-voucher, river robber” [26]), renamed Vyatka at the end of the 18th century and began to live socially sovereignly. From Khlynov they undertook their trade trips and military raids in all directions of the world. In 1361, they entered the capital of the Golden Horde, Saraichik and sacked it, and in 1365, over the Ural Range on the banks of the Ob River.

          The Khlynovsk community was governed, like ancient Novgorod, by an eternity led by “atamans” elected by the people. Khlynov was the strongest city in the whole north-east of Russia; its inhabitants grew bread, traded with other Novgorod and Grand Duchess regions, with Kazan Tatars, Kama and Volga Bulgarians and Permians, acting peacefully and fire and sword where. The social structure of Khlynov was similar to the Don Cossack. For example, the clergy of Khlynov, elected by eternity, as well as the Don clergy, elected around, were completely independent from Moscow and Novgorod. Moscow Metropolitan Gerontius, a contemporary of Ivan III, wrote in 1471 that he did not even know who the clergy were and where it was ordained. We can talk about the existence of a “Cossack” republic on Vyatka land, which retained its independence even after the annexation of Novgorod to the Moscow state in the 1478 year.

          By the end of the 15th century, the Hlynovo Cossacks became terrible throughout the Volga region not only for the Tatars and Mari, but also for the Russians. Upon the overthrow of the Tatar yoke, Ivan III drew attention to this restless and not subject to him people, and in the 1489 year Vyatka was taken and annexed to Moscow. The defeat of the Vyatka was accompanied by great cruelties - the main national leaders Anikiev, Lazarev and God-Day Supporters were fettered to Moscow and executed there; Zemstvo people were relocated to Borovsk, Aleksin and Kremensk, and merchants to Dmitrov; the rest are turned into slaves.

          Most of the Khlynov Cossacks with their wives and children left on their ships:

          alone to the Northern Dvina (according to the search for the chieftain of the village of Severyukovskaya V.I. Menshenin, the Hlynovo Cossacks settled along the South River in the Podosinovsky district);
          others down the Vyatka and the Volga, where they took refuge in the Zhiguli mountains. Merchant caravans gave this freeman the chance to acquire “zipuns”, and the border towns of the hostile Moscow Ryazans served as a sales outlet for the Khlynovites in exchange for bread and gunpowder. In the first half of the 16th century, this freemen from the Volga crossed over to Ilovlya and Tishanka, flowing into the Don, and then settled along this river all the way to Azov;
          the third to Verkhnyaya Kama and Chusovaya, to the territory of modern Verkhnekamsk district. Subsequently, in the Urals, huge possessions of the Stroganov merchants appeared, which the tsar allowed to hire detachments of Cossacks from among the former Khlynovites to protect their estates and conquer the border Siberian lands. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%E0%E7%E0%EA%E8)
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          12 January 2015 20: 46
          based on your logic, Cossacks were originally gangsters and robbers

          Not really. But they levied tribute to passing merchant ships and raided neighboring nations (in principle, all nomadic peoples did this). So in modern terms it is racketeering. Although from the point of view of the state, this is the foreign policy of that time. And the Ambassadorial order dealt with them, the fact that they did not obey (were independent) from Moscow.
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        12 January 2015 18: 32
        Cossacks are not part of the Russian people, but a completely separate people.

        There are several varieties of this myth. Some raise the roots of this people to the Eastern Slavs1), others to the Scythians2), others - to the Huns and Khazars3).

        For all the variety of these myths, one among them is invariably what P. Krasnov directly stated: “Cossacks defended their Cossack rights from the Russians. Ataman, being a protege of the Cossacks, could not ignore this. He could not allow himself to think about any parity, because this would destroy Don, would destroy the whole thing ”4).

        These contrasting oneself with the Russians, direct indications of the slavish character of the Russians5), isolation from the peoples of our country6) constitute the core of Cossack separatism, which began even before the revolution of 1917, and in recent years has become so popular that there isn’t any one Cossack forum, wherever this issue is discussed.
        “Having rejected the Russian“ theory ”, Cossack historians put forward in their place their harmonious, logical, consistent, historical reality corresponding system, their historical documents substantiate the theory of the origin of the Cossacks. According to this Cossack theory, Cossacks are a special Slavic tribe, a separate national organism that has the same right as Great Russians and Ukrainians to consider themselves a special Slavic people. The ancestors of the Cossacks are the indigenous inhabitants of the East of Europe, that is, modern Cossack Lands - say Cossack historians ”7).

        “Cossacks! Remember, you are not Russian, you are Cossacks, an independent people. Russians are hostile to you. Moscow has always been an enemy of the Cossacks, crushed them and exploited. Now the time has come when we, the Cossacks, can create our own life independent of Moscow ”8).
      5. +1
        12 January 2015 18: 33
        Reality

        In the study of V.F. Kashibadze, O.G. Nasonova9) anthropological analysis of the Cossacks. The following was revealed:

        “The anthropological history of the Don Cossacks implies the processes of migration from the southeastern zones of Central Russia and the insignificant inclusion of southern and eastern elements in an increasing proportion to the south. The coincidence of the anthropological data of the beginning and the second half of the twentieth century indicates the continuity of the physical characteristics of this population group and, hence, the survival of the group in the process of known demographic collisions. Statistical analysis of the anthropological portrait of the Don Cossacks in the novel-encyclopedia M.A. Sholokhov's “Quiet Don” showed the correspondence of the portrait to scientific data and the reproduction of a reliable anthropological environment in the novel.
        The results of anthropological studies allow us to make the most important conclusion:

        “Don Cossacks in flesh and blood are part of the Russian people. Their physical status is based on morphological characteristics common with the population of the southeastern zones of Central Russia, thus indicating the directions of genetic connections. The anthropological history of the Don Cossacks implies mixing processes between different initial groups of Russians, possibly adaptation to new natural and social conditions, as well as an insignificant inclusion of southern and eastern elements in an increasing proportion to the south ... ”
  36. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 18: 42
    I'm not going to prove anything to you on this topic, the question of the origin of the Cossacks has a lot of theories, thousands of copies were broken, but they never came to anything, I was just interested in your point of view, I carefully read your "conversation" and considered that above the above will be a good addition and will further enliven the dispute. I am ready to talk, but without rudeness and tantrums.
  37. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 18: 59
    In my opinion (although this is Gumilyov's assumption) Cossack isolation is a consequence (historical) of the difference in the behavior of the environment in which they lived, that is, the nomad and his opposite, the farmer, then the warrior and his opposite, this is exactly what the difference is based on, given the patriarchal and conservatism in the Cossack environment, all these factors have already transformed into a more understandable for simple Cossacks model "Cossacks from Cossacks"
    1. 0
      12 January 2015 20: 31
      Your stubborn attempt to prove the non-provable
      "the Cossacks are separate from the Russians" will not have success among those who at least read something, except your fairy tales.
      Smile at last.
  38. Firsov
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    12 January 2015 21: 05
    Let's consider an extreme argument, even if we assume that the fugitives left for the Don (naturally men), how did they and with whom they continued their kind? Considering that their wives were mostly meadow women from neighboring peoples who raised their children FROM THE COSSACKS in their cultural traditions, we can also draw conclusions from here ... and why the Don Cossacks called their villages and capitals Cherkasy ... and why the lower Don Cossacks have the self-name "Cherkasnya" .... and in general, where does Cherkasy
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      12 January 2015 22: 14
      From stubbornness on the verge of a buridan donkey ..
      We have a Russian family of fathers, not mothers like Jews.
      Who the hell are you by type?
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      12 January 2015 22: 59
      The Don (or “Azov”) Cossacks “were considered Russian fugitives” and “spoke our language”; there is an important remark that at that time the Cossacks were called Cherkasy (or vice versa - Cherkasy Cossacks) “because both of them signified one thing.”
      This is also confirmed by Sigismund von Herberstein, the ambassador of the German emperor, who visited the Grand Duchy of Moscow in 1517 and 1526, who, in particular, said that where the Caucasian ridge rests on the southern arm of the Kuban, Cherkasy Pyatigorsk or Chiki lived in the mountains ( chiki):
      “This people, hoping for the protection of their mountains, does not obey either the Turks or the Tatars. The Russians claim that they are Christians, that they live according to their own customs, do not depend on anyone, profess the Greek faith, and send church services in the Slavic language, which they mainly use. They are mostly brave pirates. Going down into the sea along the rivers that flow from their mountains, they rob anyone, and especially merchants, sailing from Kafa to Constantinople. "
      - they did not obey anyone.
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        12 January 2015 23: 00
        KAZAKI, an ethnic group, mainly composed of the Russian people. The number in the Russian Federation is 140 thousand people (2002), the number of Cossack descendants is estimated at 5 million people. In Turkic languages, “Cossack” is a free man, as the nomadic people used to call people separated from their social environment, for various reasons who did not want to bear the burden of community and family responsibilities. Breaking ties with the clan, the Cossacks went to the border areas of the resettlement of their people, strayed into groups, lived off hunting and trades, as well as predatory raids on the lands of neighboring peoples. Cossacks willingly took part in wars, making up the advanced, light-winged part of the nomadic army.
        After the Mongol-Tatar invasion, Cossacks appeared in the borderlands of Russia and the Golden Horde. Their ranks began to be intensively replenished by immigrants from East Slavic lands, and in a relatively short time the Slavic ethnic component of the Cossacks became predominant. But even before the Mongol-Tatar invasion, immigrants from Russia appeared in the Steppe, making up communities like Cossacks (brodniks); the part of the nomads who settled along the Russian borders (black hoods) also became very Russified.
        The term "Cossacks" in Russia has been known since the 14 century. Initially, the Cossacks are characterized by the instability of their organization, frequent changes in habitat. In general, in the 14-15 centuries, Cossacks were called free people, warriors united in "gangs" or "gangs" who lived on the southern and eastern borders of Russia, the Principality of Lithuania, and the Polish state. In this case, the Cossacks are opposed to the Horde, they are characterized by Christianity. The 1444 year includes an entry in Russian chronicles about the Cossacks of the southern regions of the Ryazan principality. In the southern Kiev region and Eastern Podolia, Cossacks appeared in the second half of the 15 century. Russian princes tried to attract the Cossacks to their service. In 1502, for the first time, “city Cossacks” were mentioned, who received land and a cash salary from the prince for the service of border protection. From this time on, one can speak of the Cossacks estate (see COSSACKS), two of its groups are developing in parallel - serving Cossacks and free Cossacks. The line between service and free Cossacks was easily overcome. Often, service Cossacks left to "Cossack in the field," and free men entered the "sovereign service."
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          12 January 2015 23: 01
          In the 16 century, communities of Don, Grebensky, Tersky, Yaitsky and Volga Cossacks formed. Their number grew rapidly due to the fugitive population from different social groups, especially during periods of internal political crises, wars, and hunger. After the reforms of Patriarch Nikon, the flow of schismatics to the outskirts of Russia, including the Cossack outskirts, intensified.
          The ethnic core of the Cossacks was the East Slavic population from different regions of Russia and Ukraine. In social terms, among the Cossacks, former landowners predominated, thus ridding themselves of serfdom. Since the second half of the 16 century, the governments of Russia and the Commonwealth have attracted free Cossacks to guard the borders and participate in wars. In Ukraine, a registered Cossacks was formed, which received remuneration for the service. The royal salary in the 17 — 18 centuries became one of the main sources of livelihood of the Cossacks. In the 17 century, the Don, Terek and Egg Cossacks completed the formation of the Cossack army as a relatively independent military-political formation, connected with the center by contractual relations. The Cossack community combined the functions of a social, military and economic organization.
          Cossacks make a significant contribution to the development of the annexed lands in Siberia, Kazakhstan, the Caucasus and the Far East. The main sources for recruiting new Cossack troops in the 18-19 centuries were rural migrants from the center of Russia, military Cossacks from other troops, and retired soldiers. In 1733, the Volga army was created. Many of the new Cossack troops disbanded, and Cossacks were transferred to other troops. The process of forming the Cossacks into a special military service class ended in the 19 century. The state transferred to the “eternal use” to the Cossack troops the land they occupied, freed the Cossacks from recruiting duties and paying state taxes. Cossacks enjoyed the rights of duty-free trade in certain goods, fishing without limit, fishing, salt production. The main duty of the Cossacks was the military service, to which they appeared on their horse, with full armament and uniforms (except for firearms). Since the beginning of the 18 century, the military service of the Cossacks has practically turned into a regular one. The service life in the 18 century is 25 — 35 years, in the 19 century - 20 years, among the Ural Cossacks - 22 years. In addition to military service, border protection, the Cossacks carried road and postal, repair (often at the expense of the military treasury) duties, carried out land surveying, population censuses, and tax collection.
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            12 January 2015 23: 02
            Cossacks spoke Russian, dialects - Don, Ural, Orenburg - stood out. The speech of the Kuban Cossacks (descendants of the Cossacks), which was replete with Ukrainianism, was peculiar. Among the Cossacks in the 19 century, bilingualism was widespread, especially in the Don, Ural, Terek, Orenburg, Siberian troops. For a long time, the possession of the Tatar language was considered among the Cossacks a sign of good taste. The overwhelming majority of believing Cossacks were Orthodox, the Old Believers made up a significant part of the Ural, Siberian, and Don troops; other faiths were represented.
            Ethnically, the different groups of the Cossacks were not identical. The similarity was determined by the common origin, social status and everyday life; local identity - by specific historical, geographical and ethnic factors. The majority of Cossack troops were dominated by Russians. Among the Cossacks were representatives of the peoples of the Caucasus, Central Asia, Kazakhstan, Siberia and the Far East (Kalmyks, Nogai, Tatars, Kumyks, Chechens, Armenians, Bashkirs, Mordovians, Turkmens, Buryats). In a number of troops, they formed separate groups that retained ethnic identity, language, beliefs, traditional culture and life. The participation of non-Russian peoples in the ethnocultural processes of the formation of the Cossacks left an imprint on many aspects of life and culture.
            In the early period of the existence of Cossack communities on the Don, Terek, Volga and Yaik, the leading occupation was livestock breeding, fishing, hunting and flight keeping were of an auxiliary nature. Until the end of the 18 century, there was a ban on farming in the Don.
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              12 January 2015 23: 13
              For a snack to lovers and admirers of the Cossacks
              (https://lurkmore.to/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B
              E)
              The Cossacks were formerly the estate of the South Russian rednecks, nowadays they are a massive role-playing game of mummers and drunkards with violent PGM soldiers carrying weapons, beards, epaulets and mustaches. They oppose themselves to the cops, pi ... yat drunken hooligans with sticks, roof the markets. Distributed in the southern regions of this country and Ukraine, they almost entirely consist of cubanoids, Donts, Ukrainians and former soldiers with cops.

              Then you can read it yourself laughing
              Sorry for the rude satire request but it bothered me
              1. Firsov
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                14 January 2015 10: 21
                This is not satire, this is rudeness!
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