Foreign media: Brazilian Air Force not satisfied with Russian Mi-35 helicopters

Brazilian online edition http://www.forte.jor.br reports that after the Brazilian attack helicopters Mi-35 (modernization of the Mi-24) were commissioned by the Brazilian army, Brazilian pilots began to express discontent with this kind of equipment. It is reported that the allegedly Brazilian army needs “specialized attack helicopters”, and the capabilities of the Mi-35 do not satisfy them.

At the same time, the Brazilian resource, describing the “discontent” of the Brazilian military, for some reason refers not to the Brazilian Ministry of Defense or its subordinate structures, but to the Israeli and American press. And this press writes that the Brazilian Air Force will soon buy a new batch of attack helicopters, and that these helicopters will not exactly become Mi-35 and are unlikely to become Ka-52 and Mi-28HE. It is reported that the Brazilian pilots were not able to fully familiarize themselves with these helicopters during their “viewing” in Russia.

The Brazilian resource, continuing to refer to foreign sources, writes that the Brazilian Air Force showed interest in the Italian AW129 Mangusta helicopters, the German-French Tiger Eurocopter and, of course, the American AH-1Z Viper.

It seems that the Western press does not publish objective information, but exerts a kind of pressure on the Brazilian Air Force, declaring which particular helicopters should be interesting to Brazilians. This is indirectly confirmed by the fact that at the official level, the Ministry of Defense of Brazil did not express any dissatisfaction with the Mi-35 helicopters, and there are no references to representatives of the Brazilian Air Force expressing any specific complaints about the Russian helicopters on this resource.

Comments

[ilya_oz]

They probably can bribe Brazilian officials (

[Civil]

But but ... MI-28NE and KA - 52 admitted to the Brazilian tender for 36 cars! Give old Old.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Civil

But but ... MI-28NE and KA - 52 admitted to the Brazilian tender for 36 cars! Give old Old.

So these statements of foreign media are an element of unfair competition! And very old!

[biron]

mattresses need support.

[Sensatus]

Dear moderators!
Why are you wasting your time posting knowingly inaccurate and inadequate information? Normal trolling by paid media.

[Oleg NSK]

... in the world of economies based on stock markets and exchanges (the economy of illusions and deception) ... any rumor ... affects the value of the company ... so they have long been living, according to O. Henry

[crazyrom]

The article does not quite correctly reflect reality. The Brazilians have written:

A conclusão foi de que, se a Força Terrestre deseja um helicóptero essencialmente de ataque, o Mi-35 não é uma opção aceitável.

Accurate translation: The conclusion is this: if the ground forces want mainly an attack helicopter, then the Mi-35 is not an acceptable option.

That's right, I also agree, Mi-35 is not an attack helicopter. The drums are Mi-28 and Ka-52 (which, by the way, are now being considered for purchase, just yesterday there was an article).

That is, not that the Brazilians are unhappy with the Mi-35, they just realized (and rightly) that this is not an attack helicopter.

[Aleksey_K]

Military equipment is not sold on exchanges. Have you ever read somewhere that fighters or missiles are sold at auctions or exchanges? Tenders are arranged for the processing of old equipment for scrap, and even then on its territory. Amerikosy strictly monitor that their technologies do not float away to enemies.

[Oleg NSK]

... and here military equipment ... corporations that produce military equipment are not someone else's ... they are part of other holdings (matryoshka)

... for example Eurocopter, like Airbas SAS ... is 100% owned by EADS, which in turn is owned by the following companies:
- concern Lagardere - 27,53%;
- Daimler AG - 22,52%;
- SEPI holding - 5,46%;
- Vnesheconombank - 5,02%;
- The remaining shares are distributed between management, investment funds and are traded on European exchanges.

... AH-1Z Viper launches Bell Helicopter Corporation, which is part of Textron, an American industrial conglomerate ... whose company doesn’t release a damn bald one ... right up to power tools and golf cars ... and whose stocks are the same successfully traded on exchanges ...

... so that ... for all these "nesting dolls" ... any rumor brings money

[Rustam]

Sensatus RU Today, 10:55 ↑
Dear moderators!

First you need to find out the essence, and then talk! Not the Air Force was not happy, and the army, having tested MI-35M, decided that they needed a pure attack helicopter without a cargo compartment


hello to the headline writer, hot

[VAF]

Quote: Rustam

hello to the headline writer, hot

Hello Rustam! I think everything when you pull up I was waiting just yesterday. I’m not there.
One Stranik72 yes I am with .. "urya-patriots" .. "fight"

[Rustam]

Hi Rustam! drinks

I looked

[KuzmichDP]

Oh, the site’s old-timers are gonna

[Lopatov]

Greetings. You should clarify that, among other things, the Brazilian army and the air force are different organizations

[Rustam]

Lopatov (1) RU Today, 13:23 ↑
Greetings. You should clarify

Hello buddy, with the coming ta

I specify the Army and the Air Force as the fleet are completely different structures, even rivals

And not the fact that the army will choose ours! in general, all this is a rumor launched through an Israeli newspaper

but ns has an excellent lever - meat - meat and meat again - you never know the disease will happen again in Brazil

although ours for Armor there paid the sum of the hoo there - apparently to reduce the debit with the loan

[supertiger21]

Ordinary information war against Brazil by the Western media, nothing special ...

[Rustam]

Civil (1) RU Today, 09:57 ↑
But but ... MI-28NE and KA - 52

let's start first that there is no tender, this is just a rumor. And the choice itself can last for several years or more as it was with the FX-2

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Rustam

let's start first that there is no tender, this is just a rumor.

The tender is always present in transactions, especially in large ones, no one will throw hundreds of millions of dollars into the wind, either at air shows or army training grounds (as in Tagil). The buyer always, at first, reads the information, then he is shown the possibilities with firing. After the show, the buyer compares the performance characteristics, cost and service from different suppliers. And he decides to purchase the first batch, sometimes from several sellers at once. Tender - always eat, even when you buy a loaf of bread.

[Semurg]

Quote: ilya_oz

They probably can bribe Brazilian officials (

who are they USA, RF, EU-Italy? specify.

[tilovaykrisa]

Yes stupidly lobbying their interests.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: ilya_oz

They probably can bribe Brazilian officials

Buying military equipment is not an official, but the Minister of Defense. His opinion consists of personal impressions and reports of subordinates on the operation of equipment. All claims are made immediately to the seller of equipment.

[Chronywyvert]

So, the car is standing!

[Viktor Kudinov]

That's what the Americans criticize her. They see her as a competitor to their helicopter industry.

[Rustam]

Victor Kudinov Today, 09:59 ↑
That's what the Americans criticize her. They see her as a competitor to their helicopter industry.

We read above, there are strained relations with America (and they have nothing to do with it). Eurocopter has the strongest positions

[Sirocco]

Quote: Chronovert

So, the car is standing!

We have all the military equipment standing.

[anfil]

Friends and reputation need to be held with both hands. Our leadership understands this and is completing the supply of Russian Mi-35M combat helicopters (according to a previously concluded contract) to friendly Brazil. http://riafan.ru/940...do-kontsa-goda/ This country, without a doubt, is a very important strategic partner of Russia in Latin America.

Brazil, in turn, was not in vain to choose Russian aircraft from the entire variety of attack helicopters in the world. Indeed, in helicopter engineering we are leaders. In the top five best helicopters in the world, three places (including the first) are occupied by Russians. link:http://svpressa.ru/post/article/82634/ So who can order them from us?

In addition to helicopters, negotiations are underway to promote our "Shell-S" (anti-aircraft missile and cannon system) and to develop a joint product in the field of aircraft weapons. So there is something to work on. link:http://rostec.ru/news/4514617
The Russian military-industrial complex is developing very intensively. And it is not surprising that Russian weapons are in great demand in the world. By the way, even Americans are interested in buying our helicopters. link:http://www.vz.ru/new.../14/700281.html And this despite the open hostility with us and against the will of our own Congress. Is this not an indicator!

No matter how foreign gunsmiths show off, Russian weapons are the most reliable and unpretentious, and for real combat operations this plays a greater role than dubious poster accuracy or ultramodernity. Although our weapons meet these criteria. And the main plus of Russian weapons is (with all its other advantages) a fairly low cost! So it is not necessary to be surprised at the successes of domestic arms masters and their creations, this is not a miracle, but a regularity!

[Rustam]

anfil (1) SU Today, 11:16 ↑

Friends and reputation need to be held with both hands. Our leadership understands this and is completing the supply of Russian Mi-35M combat helicopters

3 years after the manufacture of the last three units

Brazil, in turn, was not in vain choosing just the Russian machines from the whole variety of attack helicopters in the world.

I will disappoint youBrazilian Air Force Chose Italian Mongoose but the government of Lula pushing forced to place an order for 12 units of MI-35M

No matter how foreign gunsmiths show off, Russian weapons are the most reliable and unpretentious

Seriously? maybe - only with the syllogistic and further accompaniment huge problems with the MI-35M in the Brazilian air force - and even then there’s no more desire to buy Russian helicopters

[Rustam]

I love (specialist minusers) au dear ones where are you? have something to say?

[VAF]

Quote: Rustam

au dear ones where are you? have something to say?

Only if the "quiet" minus, and so in the open ... only and ... hat ... more headgear

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Chronovert

So, the car is standing!

The seller’s car may be standing, or maybe not very. It all depends on the political orientation of the buyer. And secondly, the loss of a buyer to a seller means that in this segment of armaments this seller will never sell anything for many decades. And this translates into billions of lost profits.

[Russian Uzbek]

strange ... dissatisfied with the Brazilians and trumpet the loudest Jews and Americans)) are not interested;)

[17085]

-Do you like dogs?
-No, I prefer cats ...
“Me too ... But my neighbor says that I just don’t know how to cook them.”

[78bor1973]

Strange, a year ago, the Brazilians themselves were very pleased with the helicopters, and suddenly after so much time through third hands without any specifics trying to express, it is not clear that about the helicopter, which has been produced for decades and has proved its reliability in all military conflicts of the last 30 years. But the reliability of Euro-helicopters is in great doubt judging by the statements of the pilots of the same UN missions.

[APASUS]

Here's an example of an honest, selfless American business.

[RU-Officer]

Ha ha ha! "Fair Business"? Yes, even "in American", even "in Russian" - one hell
Honest market relations - break out! Easier to build communism, honestly!

[Lopatov]

Come on. Here, everything is honest and transparent. Americans scolding our helicopters solely for the love of art.

Israelis - there is Temko, they will receive income if the Italians win the tender.

And the Americans here are disinterested.

[avt]

Quote: Spade

Israelis - there is Temko, they will receive income if the Italians win the tender.

Gesheft is holy!

Quote: Spade

And the Americans here are disinterested.

Absolutely! It's just an old Cobra, which is older than the Mi-24, which I really want to sell as a Viper. Purely from altruism and unselfishness for the sake of. Not - I thought it was a sinful thing they offered Apache and he flew by, but no - Kbru-Viper, of course it doesn't suck, but the car is of a completely different level, especially in terms of protection.

[Lopatov]

Yes, sort of like "Cobras" was initially out of the game.

Ours play against "Mongoose" and "Tigers"

[VAF]

Quote: avt

It's just that the Cobra "is old, which is older than the Mi-24, which" Viper "began to sell very much

Why should we, "vparivat" instead of the normal 24-ki "modernized Mi-35M" is possible, but they cannot?
Only unlike us, they really have modernization. But not .... okay. Let's not talk about sad things

And in the place of the Brazilians, I would take only the Viper, well, or if you "tighten up", then Mongoose. But not the Mi-28. And even more so the Ka-52
We can argue
By the way, why is the Viper so "bad" ??? LTH is much better than on ours, there is no talk about avionics at all, but for weapons ..... especially the Ka-52 quietly "rests" on the sidelines ( today )

[Lopatov]

Armament "Mongoose" is apparently better than "American"

[VAF]

Quote: Spade

Armament "Mongoose" is apparently better than "American"

It's like "looking" and so:
1. The tactical radius of the American is greater.
2. Also higher speed and rate of climb.
3 An American, among other things, can use the airborne surface mount AGM-65 Maveric and anti-radar SD Sidearm.
True, and the D'shnaya version of the Italian can already use the UR Spike ER , but its EU version is not yet offered for export.
4. Well, an American is two times cheaper than an Italian

[Lopatov]

As far as I know, the Mongoose retains the ability to work with both old and new ammunition. That is good for the same Brazilians.
"Mongoose" can use "Helfair" which is "K", which means the whole line of newfangled "controlled NURS"

Quote: vaf

Well, an American is two times cheaper than an Italian

A new helicopter and upgrades already purchased?

[decanter]

Question price ??? Mercedes is better than Lada .. no one argues .... but if you fly, shoot, and not show off then our very

[VAF]

Quote: grafin

. but if you fly, shoot, and not show off, then our very

We take the Airplane Flight Manual, open the "Section-Combat Use" and read - The minimum speed when firing the NAR is 100 km / h .... then everything is clear?

[Avis24]

Don't tryndi. These numbers are not limited by capability, but by security. I had to do so much with the 24th that the flight safety chief would cry if he knew. And the car held on. And he did it not from the "foolishness" in his head, but because it is NECESSARY.

[VAF]

Quote: Avis24

Do not tryndi. These numbers are limited not by opportunity, but by safety.

Rude first
Secondly .. extremely not professional.
Thirdly .... "another sofa ice cage"

Then if we look at the book and see there ... then we watch the "movie" and then read my top comment again (this is where about the section in the Airplane Flight Manual)



And then go to the market. Buy a goose, come home to his wife and her brains

[Rustam]

Pompazhik - a known unpleasant story, and even under command

[VAF]

Quote: Rustam

Pompazhik - a known unpleasant story, and even under command

Rustam, so the pros will see it right away, and not ... "couch helicopter" but the main thing is that .. "will be indicated" - like - "do not try" , and then bam and .... in a "puddle".
And on the first cars there was generally a limit of 160 km / h, even for single launches of S-8 ...

[VAF]

Quote: grafin

Question price ??? Mercedes is better than Lada

In order not to arrange a srach (to give food to "urya-patriots" ) here is an excerpt from the summary of the Rostov region (this is the answer to the "question price")

According to the traffic police of the region, on Monday, January 5, at about 13:20 on the eighth kilometer of the Morozovsk-Tsimlyansk highway, the driver Lada Kalina drove into the oncoming lane and made a collision with the car Ford.

As a result of the emergency, the driver and three Lada-Kalina passengers, including a child, were killed.

And "Lada-Kalina" ..cheaper than "Ford"

[Kassandra]

Why did they get something better than "Ka"?

[GRAY]

Quote: Spade

Israelis - there is Temko, they will receive income if the Italians win the tender.

There is a high probability that the Italians, together with the Israelis, will fly on the same plywood over Paris. Augusta is a light anti-tank helicopter developed in the early 70s, almost the same age as the Mi-24.
He was a member of the UN forces in Somalia. The main weapon of the helicopter - ATGM “Toy” turned out to be unclaimed because the Somalis didn’t have tanks, (here it was), then the Italians screwed a cannon to it and it became a “shock” one.
I also read about him, in my bearded years, in "Technology of Youth".

[Lopatov]

Quote: GRAY

Augusta is a light anti-tank helicopter

Helicopter "Mongoose", Agusta Westland - firm. Manufacturing helicopters, including in Russia.

Well, about "flying over" - they recently won a Turkish tender.

[GRAY]

Quote: Spade

Well, about "flying over" - they recently won a Turkish tender.

Maybe there were transport vehicles and not drums?
In principle, entot mongoose has been in Turkey for a couple of years under license under the designation T-129 ATAK.

"Azerbaijan will buy 60 Turkish-made T-129 ATAK helicopters," Sabah newspaper reported on Monday.
According to information, Azerbaijan ordered T-129 ATAK helicopters from the Turkish aerospace company Türk Havacılık ve Uzay Sanayii (TAI), which will begin mass production this year.
The purchase of 60 helicopters specially made for Azerbaijan will cost $ 3 billion.
In addition to Azerbaijan, UAE, Malaysia, Pakistan and Jordan showed interest in acquiring helicopters.
ATAK Turkish-made combat helicopters are part of the state program aimed at providing the Turkish army with weapons, equipment and equipment of its own production. Currently, Turkey has managed to achieve a level of self-sufficiency in this area of ​​50 percent.
ATAK helicopters can reach speeds of up to 300 kilometers per hour, fly in all weather conditions and poor visibility. "(Article 2013)

Here it is, darling:

[voyaka uh]

Israel puts avionics and weapon systems on
almost all western helicopters - where more, where less.
So self-interest is present.
By the way, if you insert this avionics on Russian helicopters -
they will take any tender. Their mechanics are good ...

[SkiF_RnD]

Well, you need to go straight to our Foreign Ministry, with a business plan!

[shasherin_pavel]

Quote: APASUS

Here is an example of an honest, selfless business

for the American economy and its own pocket.

[Rustam]

APASUS (1) RU Today, 09:55 AM
Here's an example of an honest, selfless American business.

I repeat once again there is no American interest - hello to the authors of the article title

[MarKon]

It seems like there was an article about these turntables in Brazil about 4 months ago. There, like the pilots could not get enough ???

[Vasily]

In Afghanistan, the Americans themselves bought our Mi-17. Recently.

[LvKiller]

"Specialized" ones, which are switched off by a signal from Fashington? Sorry for Brazil. I am truly sorry.

[rotmistr60]

At the same time, the Brazilian resource describing the "discontent" of the Brazilian military, for some reason, refers not to the Brazilian Ministry of Defense or its subordinate structures, but to the Israeli and American press

Obviously, the information issued by this resource is custom-made. Ordinary competition in the arms trade. But if the United States seized - it will be difficult to fight back.

[viach]

Indeed, this is indirect pressure. If Russia does not oppose, does not activate advertising of its helicopters, does not organize practical training for Brazilian military pilots, then they risk at least losing the initiative.

[tomket]

And let's create a flurry of articles dedicated to the fact that American pilots are tired of flying on obsolete technology in the form of "Apache" and "Cobras", and we will authoritatively refer to each other and to a certain pilot Johnson, as well as to the opinion of "authoritative experts, who expressed their opinion and analyzed the situation. " "Pilot Johnson is eager to fly the Ka-0! Because as soon as the coaxial scheme meets the values ​​of democracy!" What is not an argument?)

[Viktor Kudinov]

Yes, he does not just want to fly the KA-52, and since he is not allowed to do this in America, spit on her and go to Russia so that his dream will come true in her!

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Victor Kudinov

Yes, he does not just want to fly the KA-52, and since he is not allowed to do this in America, spit on her and go to Russia so that his dream will come true in her!

Taking Alaska with you !!!!!

[Semurg]

Quote: tomket

And let's create a flurry of articles dedicated to the fact that American pilots are tired of flying on obsolete technology in the form of "Apache" and "Cobras", and we will authoritatively refer to each other and to a certain pilot Johnson

You can quite, all you need to do is create this barrage in English and Portuguese. Moreover, there is an example of a successful project rush-tudey.

[0255]

Quote: tomket

And let's create a flurry of articles dedicated to the fact that American pilots are tired of flying on obsolete technology in the form of "Apache" and "Cobras", and we will authoritatively refer to each other and to a certain pilot Johnson, as well as to the opinion of "authoritative experts, who expressed their opinion and analyzed the situation. " "Pilot Johnson is eager to fly the Ka-0! Because as soon as the coaxial scheme meets the values ​​of democracy!" What is not an argument?)

such articles are written on VO, but only about F-35

[family tree]

Quote: tomket

And let's create a flurry of articles,

And they themselves have already begun, our only left to transfer
http://www.airforce.ru/content/daidzhest_1/126-mi-24-v-ssha/

[Simon]

It looks like this is another US-European duck. Artificially reduce the advantages of our helicopters, since no one takes them.

[hly]

Dogs bark and the caravan .....

[Mountain shooter]

In war - as in war. All means are good. Brazil can afford to buy modern combat helicopters - and those who want to sell - the crowd.
Remember the old Starfighter story. How the Yankees "swallowed" the allies a completely unusable plane, and even in incredible quantities.

[seregatara1969]

they liked any helicopters except Russian

[pts-m]

as usual in a bazaar life ... gringo smiling and patting a Brazilian friend on the shoulder, let’s go and I’ll show you “turntables” different from other ones and in addition a bunch of sausages, well, just buy from me ... peeped and eavesdropped on an ordinary Russian bazaar in the ranks of small things .and you say the state -state. The people are cheating among themselves.

[Victor-M]

At the same time, the Brazilian resourcedescribing the "discontent" of the Brazilian military, for some reason does not refer to the Ministry of Defense of Brazil or subordinate structures but to the Israeli and American press.

The most "objective" press in the world. This is everything.

[pexotinec]

This is just not healthy competition. They try to impress through the media that our technology is not suitable for them. All the same, our helicopters are afraid.

[ma_shlomha]

And I would say that this is just competition. In competition, it is perfectly normal to use the hutspa technique.

[Junior, I]

Another blackening of Russian military equipment!
not surprising. We will wait for official denials or confirmations of the Brazilians!
A resource that refers to other people's sources is just a fifth column!

[1goose3]

Tears of affection come up. How much the American-Israeli "partners" love Brazil and are worried about its defense capability.

[Krsk]

Well, of course, who can know better about the mood of Brazilian pilots - piss journalism. the opinion of the Israeli writers on this issue is certainly objective and not biased ...

[attuda]

Brazilians do not know what to do with trekkers ...
It was still necessary for pilots to complete deliveries ...

[Semurg]

In fact, they even have their own successful aircraft industry, and you write about the pilots

[attuda]

It was actually irony ...

MI-35 is quite a working one,
proven car,
so as to "twist your nose"

[vvp2412]

And why am I not a bit surprised?

[Aslan]

The tender there I think will be formal, everything is decided behind the scenes, that's the first news, only the Jews forgot to indicate that of the four remaining cars in the tender, two of ours ...

[Samurai3X]

I’m not a great helicopter pilot, but in my opinion the Mi-24 Mi-35 are attacking support helicopters (they were designed by Miles like that), but not attack helicopters at all (although in the times of Afghanistan and Chechnya they were very often used that way).
Are the Israelis mistaken for idiots? Oh yes ... forgot ...

[Straight]

An example of Ukraine shows that one also needs to work abroad!

[Forest ranger29]

The Ministry of Defense of Brazil will have to dance not from the performance characteristics of helicopters, but from the possibility of its real combat use, without looking back at the politicians.
The Italian is the most expensive, even 2 times more expensive than an American. The European revealed numerous childhood sores, from which at least half of the delivered cars are chained to the ground. Well, an American Harosh, only for each of its applications the Brazilian Air Force will need to request permission from the US State Department. Otherwise, these cars will become expensive toys in hangars without spare parts and weapons. Yes, and if you want to put pressure on Europe, they can easily, the result is the same.
Conclusion: Brazil can actually buy military vehicles only from Russia and China.

[tralmaster.]

Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are. If a friend from the country is monkey, then you are the same. Coconuts and Abrams with Sarai have always been not cleanliness. And soon the fifth column of Russian people who have temporarily left their homeland will wake up soon. SO THAT lovers of the monkey tribe hold on.

[anfil]

And in Brazil, the fifth column is enough.

Russian helicopters are the most helicopter helicopters in the world

[air wolf]

Clearly, Brazil is a vassal of the United States, we would support Argentina!

[Victor-M]

Quote: air wolf

Clearly, Brazil is a vassal of the United States, we would support Argentina!

This is not Brazil vassal, but a Brazilian online publication. The favorite way of Americans and Jews to denigrate the opponent and lobby their interests, hide their true identity and impersonate the person interested in the project.

[stranik72]

Who would doubt the adoption of the MI-35M into service in the Russian Federation, this is a fraud on an especially large scale, to take and upgrade a simple 24-ku installation of "nice" with 35M and get a really excellent car. But the decrease in the wing area and the "release" of the landing gear worsened the flight qualities of the helicopter. Corruption as it is, or wishful thinking is a given of our current government.

[VAF]

Quote: stranik72

Who would doubt the adoption of the MI-35M into service in the Russian Federation, this is a fraud on an especially large scale, to take and upgrade a simple 24-ku with the installation of "niceties" with 35M and get a really excellent car.

Hi. Zhenya! well, finally, at least ONE real "healthy" professional helicopter pilot appeared
And then on the tape above .. or small children or. I don’t even know how to classify

What Mi-28NE ... and even more so Ka-52?

With the Mi-35M, such problems come out. Yes, even with technical support, which is just .... no words.

And yes, I forgot .. we have a "patriotic site" Yesterday I read .. the same article .. so there is one "positioning himself as a helicopter pilot" writes .... but what do they have .. some kind of mice .. only 3-ton weight ... here we have " relic ".... as much as 10 tons .... I almost choked ... and this writes .." aviation specialist ".... m..yat..where we roll ???

[milestone]

Dear forum member, can you make out on the shelves what our modern drummers, and the same Mi-35, are worse than foreign models participating in the tender? thank

[Gregory Gore]

Amerkos in Afghanistan prefer our helicopters.

[ABC ABC © ®.]

I wonder why the "Promised Land" is so against Russo helicopters? What is the benefit to them? Or do they still give anti-advertising to American and European helicopters? If so, then tricky. Do not immediately drop. ABC ABC © ®. Commentary. Everyone has the right to express their point of view.

[yurikh]

Better than our turntables do not. And it is checked by time.

[Lopatov]

Quote: yurikh

Better than our turntables do not. And it is checked by time.

Maybe not. But in armament for these helicopters, we lag behind. What, in fact, is the problem.

[Aandrewsir]

Another nasty trick of the Makikens and their slaves. They are trying to "direct" the Brazilians in the "right" direction. Here, to ... oz ... ly ...

[Dembel77]

All this is an example of a modern informational and ideological struggle, and one who perfectly knows the techniques of this struggle (and not jiu-jitsu and karate) wins! Should we (in the sense of Russia) join such sections of the struggle for training or not, in my opinion it’s already clear to everyone. It’s not to be late, because you can’t
in the end, trading in oil alone, our weapons are also wonderful, but for some reason we cannot sell!

[Thompson]

Quote: ilya_oz

They probably can bribe Brazilian officials (

Why can they? This is preparing the ground ...

[colonel manuch]

The press service of the defense department and Oboronexport are "minus" why there is little advertising of our products supplied for export (I am convinced that our weapons are much better than Western ones and others ...!), And we cannot present advertising.

[dv_generalov]

Usual pressure to purchase weapons. Well, what a very powerful technique they have can be judged by the video reports of the Mujahideen. Although a lot depends on the skill of the pilots.

[Rustam]

dv_generalov

Well, what a very powerful technique they have can be judged by the video reports of the Mujahideen.

Is it possible in more detail? Where, when (and more specifics)

[STOP VOINE 2014]

You’re in the hands of a shovel, buy better and fly in, we can check ...
But seriously, this is a provocation of the Yankees, who are thus trying to disrupt the deal, business is nothing personal ..
Moreover, this topic has long been making noise under the contract for a long time, just the Brazilians also want to snatch the most profitable business as well, and only ...

[delorian]

Boeing company officially !!! notifies potential buyers that it is ready to transfer to any intermediary who contributed to the conclusion of the contract 10% of the order amount !!! draw your own conclusions !!!

[Manul]

Oh, I didn’t know that it’s not so beautiful with helicopters. vaf & Co tore the Uri patriots, including me.

[Baloo]

They don’t know how to fly, that’s why

[kelevra]

Something is completely harmful! Iraqis of the IGilovites are hammering on our MI-35s, and very good!

[k.saboteur]

Quote: vaf

Quote: avt

It's just that the Cobra "is old, which is older than the Mi-24, which" Viper "began to sell very much

Why should we, "vparivat" instead of the normal 24-ki "modernized Mi-35M" is possible, but they cannot?
Only unlike us, they really have modernization. But not .... okay. Let's not talk about sad things

And in the place of the Brazilians, I would take only the Viper, well, or if you "tighten up", then Mongoose. But not the Mi-28. And even more so the Ka-52
We can argue
By the way, why is the Viper so "bad" ??? LTH is much better than on ours, there is no talk about avionics at all, but for weapons ..... especially the Ka-52 quietly "rests" on the sidelines ( today )

What do you say to this comrades are not Uri patriots http://www.rg.ru/2014/08/17/copter-site.html