Yanukovych and his team revealed their true identity to the world

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Yanukovych and his team revealed their true identity to the world Yanukovych and his team, who were able to seize power in Ukraine only thanks to pro-Russian rhetoric, actively exploiting the wishes of the multi-million army of Russian and Russian-speaking voters, completed its “multi-vector games”, finally showing its true nature. President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych has dotted the “i”, informing Ukrainian citizens that the foreign policy choice of the Ukrainian state is clearly in the direction of European civilization, the European Union.

“Despite the difficulties, the main step has already been taken: we have finally decided on our future. The European choice became the basis of Ukraine’s foreign policy identity, and European values ​​the basis of our development, ”the Ukrainian president directly admitted in love with European“ universal human values ​​”without any ambiguities. And this happens simultaneously with the actual “war” launched in the field of energy and gas issues.

The President of the Russian Federation D. Medvedev has also recently made some sharp statements. While in Ulan-Ude, he said that Russia is not ready to offer Ukraine special conditions for joining the Customs Union (CU), Kiev must enter the CU on general terms, or a different regime will be applied to it. So, according to Medvedev, Russia can move to other customs regimes in respect of Ukraine.

While the EU is experiencing a lot of problems and does not know how to solve the problem of bankrupt and semi-bankrupt countries, such as Greece and Portugal, the Ukrainian president still radiates inexhaustible European integration optimism. "We are confident that the Association Agreement and the creation of a deep and comprehensive free trade zone is what Ukraine and the European Union need today." Kiev is not going to give its consent to the merger of Gazprom and Naftogaz. In Ukraine, it seems, they have decided to tackle the problem of Naftogaz radically. Since the “Tymoshenko case” didn’t serve as a sufficient reason for Moscow to revise, in favor of Kiev, the contract concluded at the beginning of 2009, the Ukrainian side made a really Solomonic decision to liquidate Naftogaz and create a new gas producing company. According to Azarov, after that Moscow will have to renegotiate the contract, since a new entity appears.

True, Yanukovych did not explain by his electorate how “European integration” would help Ukrainian industry and agriculture. It is enough to analyze the situation of the national economy in the post-Soviet Baltic countries, the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, to see that negative processes are taking place almost everywhere. London, Paris and Berlin do not need developed economies of these countries, they need markets for their products and obedience. European business will not modernize the Ukrainian national economy. The West finally “optimizes” both the economy of Ukraine and its population.

“We want to join the great European project,” Yanukovych continues, “building a united Europe based on the values ​​of freedom, democracy and law ...”. It turns out that this “introduction” was hindered by “tough pressure”, Kiev was “deliberately slowed down”. This, apparently, a shot in the direction of Moscow. In Russia, many experts believed that Moscow practically did not use the reserves of significant pro-Russian forces in Ukraine.

Although, for those who have long and carefully analyzed the activities of Yanukovych, his statement is not unexpected or sensational. Many Russians living in the Ukrainian state have long understood the essence of this politician and his regime, as well as the Party of Regions headed by him. In fact, this party is the Ukrainian national-bourgeois party (expressing the interests of a significant part of the Ukrainian oligarchy), which fears the onset of Russian capital, which motivates it to focus on the EU, the Western world.

In principle, the current Ukrainian president and the forces behind him never intended to integrate with Russia. They are all happy, they are the owners of Ukraine. For some reason they think that the European elites will "embed" them in themselves. Although it is clear that the West’s present comprador “elite” of Ukraine is needed only to free Little Russia from Great Russia, to further crush Russia. As soon as the “Ukrainian Moor” does its job, they will get rid of it.

It’s time for Moscow to stop and look back, having analyzed its entire past policy towards Ukraine. This will allow to radically reconsider its policy towards Ukraine. It's time to forget about the current “kraplennoy” deck of Ukrainian politicians, to look for Russian leaders, who will be our true allies. After all, it is clear that in a strategic, long-term perspective, it is much more beneficial for Ukraine and its population to integrate not with the West and the EU, but with Russia. The current Ukrainian "elite", in truth, are simply enemies of the common people, they are busy plundering the territory, where they were able to seize power by deception. And everything stolen by “overworking” has long been in the West - children, capital, real estate. They themselves have long been "attached" to the "European values." And they are ready to fulfill the role of a kind of "policemen" and "burgomasters" for the population of Ukraine in the new western project.

Therefore, Yanukovich, Yushchenko, Tymoshenko and the like will, until the last moment, resist integration with Russia, this process is death for them. Political, “elitist”, and possibly physical, if the death penalty is restored in the new united Union. It is clear that theft on a particularly large scale, the betrayal of the people, must be “rewarded” only in this way.
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  1. ZEBRASH
    +13
    5 September 2011 07: 19
    The EU needs Ukraine only as a transit country for energy resources and, as the author said, a market for its products. And Ukraine is connected with Russia by a centuries-old joint history, and nobody but us needs Ukraine.
    1. His
      0
      5 September 2011 18: 13
      Ukrainians do not know about it
      1. Ivan35
        +4
        5 September 2011 19: 14
        No, many Ukrainians outside these oligarch games and for reuniting with Russia! And there are many Russians
        In general, our people live there - and Yanukovych just represents the oligarchs (Renat - forgot his name ...) who do not bargain with Russian groups for flows

        Under communists in power (on both sides), unification would have taken place painlessly and without trade that was not needed by the simple people
        1. -1
          6 September 2011 16: 46
          Yeah, only the communists, especially the Bolsheviks (that is, Trotskyists), aggravated the problem by reinforcing the myth of the "people" that did not exist before. By the way, the "Siberian people" are being created in the same way. Tell me, why are the inhabitants of Donbass, transferred to the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian SSR in 1924, Ukrainians? And Crimea? Ukraine is borderland in Russian, and Ukrainians are border guards. Look at Solovyov, Karamzin, Klyuchevsky - you will not find such people. At one time Belgorod, Voronezh, and other cities of the Chernozem region were considered Ukraine, but as the border moved to the west, they lost this status. And the same Khmelnitsky called himself Russian. So it turns out that from the "true Aryans Ukrainians "only the ideologue of Ukrainians remained, who spoke Russian all his life (since no one understood the invented by him then) a citizen of Austria-Hungary, Hrushevsky, and a herd of Galitsai Banderlog, especially those that are now in the" Ridnaya Canada ". Color" nation ", neither give nor take.

          Well, returning to our sheep. Here is Yanukovych and revealed the cards. However, there was no special trust in him, since he did not introduce Russian even when he was prime minister. True, then he had an excuse, they say there was no majority in parliament. Now there is, and excuse no longer works.
  2. +2
    5 September 2011 08: 15
    And our "elite" are not thieves, not murderers? Not pedophiles, if they do not want to toughen the law against crimes against children? If this elite did not puff their cheeks towards Ukraine, and only for the reason that there is more to steal than they have, if Medveputs tamed their Great Russian ambitions, then Yanukovych would also make contact, and with joy. Instead of taking steps to a meeting, they want to seize Ukrainian naftogaz and are constantly blackmailing. It all started well with Yanukovych, but ours - removed - put everything in its place. More and Yulka the thief was supported.
    1. SAVA
      -1
      5 September 2011 22: 24
      CORRECTLY DEMBEL SAID THE STATE DUMA OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION-PEDOPHILS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! AND I SUPPORT THIS, WHEN I LEARNED THAT THE STATE DUMA VOTED AGAINST WISHES ACCEPTED, HAVE SEEN STRONG LOBBIES AT PEDOPHILS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??????????? YOU THAT THERE WERE IN RUSSIA WHAT DO YOU DO AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!! ???????? UNLESS YOU TAKE A STRICT LAW FOR THESE SCALES (PEDOFILS), I DO NOT WANT ANY UNION !!!! WITH WHOM?????????!!!!!!!!! WITH PEDOPHILES ?????????????
      1. Dovmont
        +1
        5 September 2011 22: 51
        Do you think buggers only in our parliament, but the Kremlin dug in? And in your council there are no chtoli?
        1. SAVA
          -1
          5 September 2011 23: 51
          I CAN'T KNOW THEY ARE NOT MY FRIENDS !! I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A SIMILAR DRAFT OF THE LAW WOULD PASS, YES, WE HAVE STOPPED TO SELL DRUGS IN MASS, "CHURKI" SIT QUIETLY, THE VILLAGES ARE NOT ATTACKED BY GANGS OF ANY CATTLE, "TSAPKOV" THERE ARE THERE ARE THOSE CATS ALSO DO WE DON'T HAVE HONEY BUT SOMETHING WILL BE BETTER
  3. 0
    5 September 2011 10: 07
    But it seems to me that Yanukovych, the laurels of Lukashenko, are haunted. Maybe
    he wanted something like that. The truth is that Lukashenko has kept production and collective farms, but in Ukraine everyone has already plundered, such as Kuchma, Tymoshenko,. Yushenko. But they have already been forgotten and the glories of the hunt That's bubbling ..
  4. 916-th
    +9
    5 September 2011 10: 09
    It is a pity, it is a pity that the two power regimes, Moscow and Kiev (one field of berries), so far manage to separate the two fraternal peoples. I am sure that the centuries-old traditions of kinship and friendship are precisely in the popular milieu that will turn out to be stronger in the long run than the momentary vested interests of the temporary workers in power.
    1. zczczc
      -3
      6 September 2011 00: 45
      That's it - that's right!

      As for Yanukovych, we generally do not have a doctrine for building the Union. TS is a certain truncated economic model. Why do they all flee to the EU - you need to analyze for a start.
  5. gans
    -10
    5 September 2011 10: 20
    as Bandera were and will be, live the dream that one day Russia will not. Medvedev does not owe anything to anyone, especially to some stupid yanyk
  6. +4
    5 September 2011 10: 47
    Very sorry. In general, kindergarten, middle group:
    - Give us gas for free!
    - We won’t give it!
    - And we will go to Europe!
    - Yes, bring down!

    The situation is so identical in two countries that it’s already scary.
    Most offensively for the two artificially pitted peoples, who from time immemorial lived nearby and survived more than one difficult year.

    Medvedev owes nothing to Yanukovych, but one and the second owe their nations.
    1. zczczc
      0
      6 September 2011 00: 47
      When problems of a larger scale begin in Europe, he will be the first to come running to the Union. Even the Balts will step over their pride and, as it were, casually trample on the "old friendship".

      The whole question is - why come to us only if there is nowhere else to go. That's what the question is.
      1. Mesniy
        -3
        11 September 2011 23: 21
        Che for ches? what union? And no one will restore Austria-Hungary by chance? And the Roman empire? Why try to call the shadows of the dead?
        1. nickname bj
          -1
          20 September 2011 09: 10
          Yeah, I also read and wonder at human naivety.
          Whose union is Deripasko and Abramovich? Or are you going to help the Ukrainian people personally? wink
  7. karnics
    +24
    5 September 2011 11: 10
    The Russian brothers are nowhere. We will not get away from each other, no matter how politicians get out of hand ... It’s written for us to be together ...
    I really believe in the creation of the union state of Russia, consisting of, for the beginning of three subjects, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus ...
    1. zczczc
      -2
      6 September 2011 00: 47
      I would have taught better how to get together with such leaders here :)
    2. Mesniy
      -3
      11 September 2011 23: 23
      That must be a communal apartment, the Germans live separately in Germany, Austria, Luxembourg, Switzerland. And no one calls the collective farm to arrange. Passed already, did not take root ...
  8. +4
    5 September 2011 12: 01
    I think that no matter who comes to power in Ukraine, he will always maintain a distance in relations with Moscow, because too close a rapprochement is unprofitable for him, as this could be fraught with the loss or reduction of his power, and which ruler would do that? The peoples are one thing and the government is a completely different thing - their interests do not always coincide.
  9. Max
    Max
    -7
    5 September 2011 12: 23
    Absolutely true Alebor. The Ukrainian government is well aware that the Kremlin sharks will instantly swallow the entire Ukrainian business and will not even leave bones. The Kremlin has had an appetite for Ukraine since the USSR and is still drooling in the hope of chopping a thread and chopping it, which prevents them from integrating with the EU in every possible way, primarily strangling it economically. This is already a normal practice of relations with * Slav brothers *.
    1. 0
      5 September 2011 12: 51
      Do you sleep well at night? Or are you the owner of such a large business that it seems to you that the Kremlin is laying claim to it? Oil? Gas? Gold? diamonds? Aluminum? Platinum? What can you "chop off" in Ukraine? Enlighten, please. The facts are desirable.
      1. zczczc
        -2
        6 September 2011 00: 49
        Bansheewhatever one may say, max, is entirely right. Alas and ah. But we must understand that if the Yankees come there, then they will do the same.
    2. Dovmont
      +6
      5 September 2011 23: 05
      Quote: max
      The Kremlin’s appetites for Ukraine since the Soviet Union were in order and still drooling in the hope of threading and chopping, and that’s hindering every possible way to integrate with the EU

      Have you mixed up anything? Under Soviet rule, Ukraine received both the Crimea and the Donetsk region. Its contribution to the federal budget did not exceed 30% of the gross income of the republic. For comparison, the contribution of the Russian Federation amounted to 80% of its gross product. What saliva are you talking about? Read the statistics for the USSR for any post-war year. Russia on its ridge pulled all the other republics in the Union. Russians in these respects are now called occupiers, and for 20 years they themselves cannot come off Russian boobs. So they would suck it gratefully, and then they also strive to bite more painfully. And when now Russia began to slip a pussy instead of boobs, so our partners didn’t like its taste qualities very much. Let them draw conclusions for the future.
      1. -2
        5 September 2011 23: 14
        Here I am talking about ...
        Not really, how in the beginning of the 90's did the Baltic states become the leading exporters of metal in Europe? Where did they dig it there? Yes, all over Russia guys roamed with an accent and bought up everything that was possible.
        And how the borders were closed - the Russian invaders, yes ...
  10. NUT
    NUT
    0
    5 September 2011 12: 40
    it doesn’t seem strange to anyone that those who never wanted the good of the Orthodox, today create and spend astronomical amounts for all possible and impossible programs for sick people and we swallow them ... without looking and smelling
  11. 0
    5 September 2011 12: 48
    Quote: karnics
    The Russian brothers are nowhere. We will not get away from each other, no matter how politicians get out of hand ... It’s written for us to be together ...


    Let's not get it, yes. They fraternized with considerable blood, but this is such a thing ... Not a single ruler, not a single party will kill. We are together. No matter how they try to divide us, no matter how we swear because of misunderstandings, we will still be together.
    1. gans
      -1
      5 September 2011 13: 00
      but, fortunately in different states. I personally will be very glad if Ukraine is admitted to the EU, I want to see how this experiment ends
      1. -1
        5 September 2011 13: 11
        Well, as an option. This is your right, moreover, maybe you will see. I would also be interested to see this.
        I saw the defeat (there is no other way to say) of the light industry of the new Acolytes of the EU Czech Republic, Romania and Bulgaria, it will be interesting to see how the EU will "raise" you. In the sense of where the lift vector will be directed.
        So good luck with integration into Europe. They are waiting for you there ...

        And those whose integration will lead to final impoverishment, I think, will remember that "Russian and Ukrainian are brothers forever" with all that it implies. will adopt some kind of program, raise the level of the population.
        It might also be an option.

        so time will tell everything ...
      2. baikal79
        0
        5 September 2011 23: 07
        WHAT IS RAD ??? ??? BECAUSE ABOUT YOUR BROTHERS UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX WILL BE Mocked ??? IT IS THAT THE NATO BORDER WILL BE CLOSER TO RUSSIA ??? I UNDERSTAND YOU PERSONALLY !!! WE TAKE BRANCHES OF ONE ROOT ROOT OF KIEV RUSSIA !!!

        BUT HERE IS ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, AND ARE YOU RUSSIAN ????
      3. baikal79
        0
        5 September 2011 23: 40
        WHAT IS RAD ??? ??? BECAUSE ABOUT YOUR BROTHERS UKRAINIAN ORTHODOX WILL BE Mocked ??? IT IS THAT THE NATO BORDER WILL BE CLOSER TO RUSSIA ??? I UNDERSTAND YOU PERSONALLY !!! WE TAKE BRANCHES OF ONE ROOT ROOT OF KIEV RUSSIA !!!

        BUT HERE IS ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, AND ARE YOU RUSSIAN ????
        1. gans
          -1
          6 September 2011 10: 15
          you would have written in meter letters that hahly brothers are us, maybe they will believe you, but I don’t believe, But NATO, the sooner the war starts, the sooner it will end and it will still be and hahly will not fight on our side like by the way and always, sorry a few of them went to Georgia
          1. -3
            6 September 2011 11: 07
            Well, you don’t say all Odessa, okay?
            1. gans
              -1
              6 September 2011 11: 17
              well, I won’t be for Odessa, I love her too
          2. NUT
            NUT
            -1
            6 September 2011 14: 10
            and not only "gansy", the whole world, except for the poor, is aware that RUSSIANS CAN BE WINNED ONLY RUSSIANS. They are vigilantly watching, money and other huge funds are spared only if we, three "woodpeckers", three twin siblings (UA / BY / RU) are getting cooler and (for them) more fun, continued to bark and shit on each other ...
        2. Mesniy
          -1
          11 September 2011 23: 28
          Well, yes, as a commentary did not live, right away - "are you Russian?"
          Laughter and more.
  12. 0
    5 September 2011 14: 56
    In my opinion, it’s not a matter of who enters or joins. Our Ukrainian authorities are afraid for their grandmothers. Everyone understands that if they join Russia they will have to share with Russian brothers and oligarchs, if in the EU then with theirs. And the people understand this but the people also understand that nobody needs us, neither Russia nor the EU. For Europe we need as a buffer between Russia and Europe, since they are practically one people, then in case of conflict they can be pushed against their heads. The Russian people cannot be defeated in a direct conflict and if you set your brother against brother, then you don’t need to win. Most of us who voted for Fedorovich understood that he was no better than Julia, but to vote for her was even worse for everyone. camisole.
  13. Graaf
    -4
    5 September 2011 15: 02
    Yanukovych and his team, which was able to seize power in Ukraine only thanks to pro-Russian rhetoric, ............., completed its "multi-vector games", finally showing its true essence ....
    - weirdly ornately written, oh well! Yanyk and his team bought a throne, and did not seize power. Second, he and his team already do not represent the interests of a million Ukrainians. This was said by political scientists, polls, exit polls at the exit from polling stations.
    Author - Lying is not Detxi!
    .... And this happens simultaneously with the actually started "war" in the field of energy and gas issues. - according to the author’s thoughts, one must stupidly surrender to Russia, and also substitute the backside, so what? Or should the president of Ukraine not protect his country, people? Something I do not see such a desire from your leaders (RF). Yesterday I returned from relatives from Russia, Ulyanovsk and Engels. Something I did not see 31 ways to protect my population with the leaders of the country (RF). And in a foreign monastery, with their own charter, they climb to heal. I don’t need to soar my brains for the best life in the Russian Federation, I can see everything myself - I visit the business of the company up to 30 times a year in Russia. And I can compare where it is better, and where as always. But in Moscow it’s better - there the loot is spinning, and in the regions there is no dough and people are already sharpening the forks.
    The author issues and does not blush!
    The President of the Russian Federation D. Medvedev has also recently made some sharp statements. While in Ulan-Ude, he said that Russia is not ready to offer Ukraine special conditions for joining the Customs Union (CU), Kiev must enter the CU on general terms, or a different regime will be applied to it. So, according to Medvedev, Russia can move to other customs regimes in respect of Ukraine.
    “Well, again, threats, threats, threats!” We will show you Kuz'kin MOTHER! Well, the Russian Federation will go into the conditions of the so-called trade wars, and then what? Who is worse or better?
    Here AFTOR - LITTLE is not childish, mixed stupidity and desire to get ... candy in the form of Ukraine. Having received the command to wet - with a confident hand, the good old gb shnogo bibliographer mixed everything together (dirt, gossip, speculation, his delusional fantasies, nightly poles and other heresy).
    Well, I don’t want to join the RF, I DO NOT WANT !!!
    I am Russian.
    For the information of the author and lovers of malice in this forum.
    1. Dovmont
      +1
      5 September 2011 23: 25
      Well, do not want to, do not join! But I won’t understand why Russia should date Ukraine if it does not want to integrate with Russia? I was stunned when I learned that throughout the 90s and the beginning of the new century, Russia provided Ukraine with 2 billion rubles a year of interest-free financial assistance !! And this is when ordinary Russians for six months or more did not see a salary, when many people in Russia died from poverty and despair! In gratitude from Ukraine, Russia received from it spitting and provocations. Do you want to go to Europe? Get down? Only now you need there as a dog fifth leg! Set Russia against yourself - in what language do you testify about brotherhood and mutual assistance when gas flows bypass you?
      1. Graaf
        -1
        6 September 2011 09: 59
        .... TO A DONMONT ...
        if the respected carefully read my thoughts, then I realized that I do not want to reunite with such a RUSSIA. I don’t want wars, I don’t want shooting, I don’t want terrorism, etc. That’s what it was all about.
        And as for the subsidy of 2 billion rubles - I am embarrassed to ask, where did you dig up such a digital figure of my friend? As far as I read and studied this issue - this is money for exported weapons (atomic, uranium, new secret developments of Ukrainian scientists working in mailboxes - if you don’t know what I will say - military factories disguised as a factory for civilian needs), this is money for the section fleet, this is money for underground weapons depots, which is still stored in Ukraine in its eastern part (I was at such an object and I can tell you its size and the amount stored is simply amazing) - you need to see it with your own eyes).
        So my friend, regarding the financing of Ukraine by Russia, is the fruit of your sick imagination and old Soviet thinking. Russia never paid for anything just like that, I know because in the 90s he worked in the state structure and saw how officials began to plunder the ex-USSR. How all this was sold, etc.
        And the fact that the Russians starved them (with temporary storage warehouses clogged with food in case of war) should be asked by your government why they did this and by the way continue to do so. A few weeks ago I was on business in the North of the Russian Federation and saw how products with an expired shelf life were drowned in the sea (by the way, they were laid back in independent Russia in the early 90s). And you write nonsense and rewrite from other articles.
        1. Dovmont
          0
          6 September 2011 20: 51
          To Mr. GRAAF ..... I agree, your condescending - sarcastic tone is most appropriate when addressing people with "inflamed imaginations", to whom you referred me. But since you are so well versed in economics, finance, "new secret developments of Ukrainian scientists who worked in mailboxes! (Sic !!!), then you should know what paid for the" peace "of Ukraine and why they shoot and fight in Russia. Russia was will be the object of destructive interest of external forces. The question is, what place does Ukraine occupy in the struggle of the West with Russia? How do you pay for your "peace of mind"? Providing Crimean sanatoriums for treatment and recreation to Chechen militants in the 1st and 2nd Chechen companies? Chechnya, weapons through illegal channels from Ukrainian army depots during the period of their large-scale actions against my countries? Arming anti-Russian-minded Georgia, even to the detriment of its army (SAM "Bug")? What, did not know against whom it would be used? 08.08.08. showed that they not only knew, but also actively participated. Or is the participation of Ukrainian officers on the side of Saakashvili in the South Ossetian conflict also a fiction? Speak calmly in Ukraine? Crimean Tatar separatists e don't they shoot? So Kiev pleases them with all its might, and to the detriment of the rights of the Russian-speaking population of the peninsula! Dare only Kiev to meow against the Muslims - it will wash itself in blood. And the European Union, adored by you, and the leaders of the Muslim world will instantly show independent Ukraine where it belongs. You will not have enough strength to resist as Russia. Therefore, continue to pay for your peace of mind with the "right" behavior.
          Now about your statement on the latest secret developments of Ukrainian scientists for Russia? I would like to clarify: what development? AN-70? Modernization of the Zenit launch vehicle? Sea Launch Project? All these joint projects were covered with a copper basin due to the fault of Kiev politicians (except for the last one). Russia is forced to independently develop both a military transport aircraft and a small and middle class launch vehicle. By the way, about "mailboxes". My father worked for them for 30 years as an engineer, at different ones, from Barnaul and Ust-Kamenogorsk to Krasnoperekopsk.
          And from the unification of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, all our peoples will benefit - this is my firm conviction. This is well understood in the West and by all means prevents it.
          I wrote in a hurry - perhaps again inattentively "read your thoughts."
          1. -1
            9 September 2011 18: 12
            The union is hindered by the ambitions of local princes. They don’t want to give up power. He is his own boss, although not quite zealous .. He doesn’t think about the future, although he will not be able to stay in power forever.
    2. -1
      9 September 2011 18: 09
      And nobody invites you. Dig yourself in your dung, consume lard, vodka and borsch. And the Ukrainian sweetie is bitter in taste. We don’t really need them. Your actions are unpredictable. You can’t always trust them.
  14. mitrich
    +4
    5 September 2011 15: 50
    Here is a fresh joke on the topic under discussion. I hope Ukrainian friends will not be offended:
    Ukrainian lad marries a Russian girl. The family admonishes the lucky one.
    Father: -On the wedding night, sharply knock her over onto the bed. Prove to her how strong you are ...
    Mother: -And secondly, to my son, slowly slowly undress in front of her. Show her how beautiful you are.
    Finally, the grandfather: - And then, granddaughter, a good friend ... ch. May respect your INDEPENDENCE wink !
    It is very similar to the current state of Russian-Ukrainian relations.
  15. -3
    5 September 2011 16: 16
    Quote: GRAAF
    Russian President D. Medvedev recently also made several harsh statements. While in Ulan-Ude, he said that Russia was not ready to offer Ukraine special conditions for joining the Customs Union (CU), Kiev should enter the CU under general conditions, or a different regime would be applied to it.


    And why, tell me, should Kiev have an advantage over the same Belarus? With what joy? Can you reasonably?

    Quote: GRAAF
    So, according to Medvedev, Russia may switch to other customs regimes in relation to Ukraine.


    How else? No, excuse me, you really need it, you know ... Gas / oil at a pretty penny price (because there’s nothing more to sell and earn), customs privileges ...

    UKRAINE WHAT ON YOURSELF CAN OFFER?
    Or again, as in the USSR, Russia will have to contain all?

    Quote: GRAAF
    mixed stupidity and the desire to get ... candy in the form of Ukraine.


    Sweetie, you know, with a taste of something over there ... you really have been polyolarchy for the last 10 years, dear. And given that Ukraine is both smaller and worse than Russia, then there’s nothing to take.

    Of course, I could be wrong with my bell tower, correct, if that.
    I myself do not 30 once a year, but once a month I go to Kharkov ... Yes, the prices are lower, otherwise I wouldn’t go, but I don’t see something particularly happy there ...
    Serenko all very gray.
    1. Graaf
      +1
      6 September 2011 10: 29
      I answer in the order of your questions:
      ... QUOTE 1- why did you decide that you should have advantages over Belarus? Do you see what is going on in Belarus? Newspapers, TV, Internet - how? Do you think that dad made a crisis? No dear - all the machinations of Russian oligarchs, to whom the Old Man did not give tidbits of his industry and ... does not want to give. Your president said that he would not offer Ukraine special conditions. No? Well, do not, we will go our own way. Only for some reason, do not sleep in the Kremlin calmly, something worries. What if Ukrainians leave, then what will happen to us? Where to pump the loot and hide? Yes, from the new year, investments from Russia came to Ukraine in the amount of - ... I could be wrong .... about 5 billion euros. What is it? What will be bad if the neighbors are well and calm? No, old genes pop up here - to take away, destroy and start living in a new way as the king wants to do it, but I don’t want to. I have a bunch of relatives in the Russian Federation, and so I won’t give up on them under any authority (both you and ours). And about the foreign politicians and their cockroaches in my head - I have no interest in this.
      ---- QUOTE 2 ..... As for gas at a penny price. You must have fallen from the moon. Gas for Ukraine has long been sold for a penny. It is sold even more expensive than in Europe. The answer is simple - like the corner of a house. For heating home, hot water, etc., there is enough production of its gas in Ukraine. And the cry begins only when it comes to the price of gas for the needs of the oligarchs. Because by shutting off oxygen to the oligarchs of Ukraine, the Russian oligarchs are trying to crush them for themselves, or just ruining or buying them at the price they want ... you can continue on ad infinitum ... I will not develop the topic, everything is simple
      .... QUOTE 3, ..... about the polyarchy with us, and you? Sultanate of Bahrain, huh? Does everything bloom and smell? Are you all chocolate and marmalade? Only 2 cities so far can live in the Russian Federation - Moscow and St. Petersburg. Everyone else is in ... And we have the same in Kiev.
      As for the smaller and more victorious. Maybe. But you see - 30 times a month ride to Kharkov. Lower prices. Otherwise, we would not have traveled. ... In Kharkov, I was no more than yesterday afternoon, I flew for work. As for those who are especially happy - and you in the Belgorod Region have something I also have not observed particularly happy faces. Went to relatives, Asked what to bring? They told me - bring everything, we with our pension cannot allow anything superfluous. So I did what I could in my friend’s car (sorry I took advantage of his connections) and dragged a full machine of products from potatoes to canned goods and bread. So dear, do not drive the wave ashore, and your life is not a saherman. And gray and you, too.
      That's why we want to break out of this grayness. What I wish you.
      1. -3
        6 September 2011 11: 23
        Thank. Let's try.
        You know, I can not support / disagree with your opinion, but I have no right not to accept it, as the opinion of a person living in the very country in question. I hope that the issue of merging / joining (or whatever else) will not be solved by force or economic methods.
        As for the questions of discussion ...

        I will not say anything special about the first one, because I simply don’t have information on this topic. Where can I see where this 5 billion euros came from? Surely there is information, the amount is rather big.

        For the second ... You know, I can not believe that it is more expensive than in Europe, because then they would take for transit not with gas with subsequent resale to the same Europe, but with money. And, if it’s enough for the internal needs of its gas, why then two (or three) years ago, when Russia restricted gas supplies to Ukraine, did yours almost freeze the same Europe? It does not add up somehow ...

        For the third so. Yes, we also oligarchy. And far from Bahrain. Yes, I ride to Kharkov, but for a specific product, not essential items. For fun. It's much cheaper there, yes. Until.

        I am not wise enough to guide an entire nation on the right path. Whichever way you choose, it will be so. I, as a more or less reasonable person, can only express joy or grief from what happened. God grant that you have everything the way you would like. To be accepted to Europe, so that later they would not catch Ukrainian citizens throughout Europe and send them home like Romanians. To disappear from Moscow newspapers, and not to appear in Parisian ads like "Mischievous and playful Ukrainian and Moldovan women will brighten up your leisure".
        I would only be happy to prosper, with Russia or without. It’s just my opinion that not everyone is going smoothly with Europe, in fact, who knows. how will turn out.
        And I like Crimean wines.
        1. zardoz
          -1
          6 September 2011 12: 53
          As for investments - in principle, in our city of Lugansk, for the third time, Russians are buying the OR plant (diesel locomotive). Maybe this means :) Russians come to work, the plant is taken away - there is no work. We have fun :)

          In the second, what about industry? These are oligarchs ... yes ... and who works for the oligarchs? GRAAF comrade is probably in the know about gas issues in Ukraine :) But in the Luhansk region, gas and oil pipelines come from the Caucasus region. There is a gas production of its own, but very little - not enough for local needs. Maybe there is more gas in other regions and they are ready to share with us ... Or is he talking about shale gas? And why didn’t the comrade remember coal? State mines are closing, and kopanks are flourishing, that is, coal is needed by someone, but not by the state.

          I often visit the Rostov region, for some reason it’s better than ours, even in villages.
          1. -3
            6 September 2011 13: 03
            The same opinion, no matter how cool. Yes, it is everywhere, somewhere better, somewhere worse, it was better for someone to live then, for someone now.
      2. -2
        9 September 2011 18: 15
        Has your way appeared in Ukraine? I would like to clarify, where and where does it go? Or maybe together think how to get out of gray? And maybe from stupidity.
  16. alex_97597
    0
    5 September 2011 16: 17
    Avto vipei iadu
  17. alex_97597
    -5
    5 September 2011 16: 17
    Author vipei iadu
  18. pavelk
    -2
    5 September 2011 18: 58
    First we read who the author is Samsonov?

    We ignore the trolls. We do not read further.
  19. +1
    5 September 2011 19: 26
    And who doubted what? Yanukovych lacks only pathological Russophobia, like the previous one. And so, everything was known. Like in Pirates of the Caribbean, Jack asks the Chinese, "Which side are you on?" "Where is it profitable?" "I have a ship!" "So yours!" Here and in this case, where it is profitable.
    1. zczczc
      0
      6 September 2011 00: 54
      What can Europe give Ukraine?

      Gas? No.
      Money? And we can.
      Sales market? We definitely have more, everything has been busy there for a long time.

      Order. He hopes that integrating into European structures, he will have more order in his country. Roughly speaking, he will be taught to live. And here we must understand that we cannot give order, because we have a mess even more, maybe. This is the trouble. An integrator of anything a priori should be the most organized of all.

      But Samsonov is not necessary to scold, sensible thoughts are frequent with him. Just few people are used to reading nasty texts.
  20. -1
    5 September 2011 21: 03
    Gas wars and others. It’s just because one goat, when she was offered gas at 250 greens, decided that 450 was more profitable, and because of this, the whole nation suffers and attempts to change the price down, in my opinion, will remain attempts. In Russia, no fools are sitting on chairs in the Kremlin, if you can get more from Ukraine, why get less. And what they say is that we will make conditions for you, etc. promising so in the TS doesn’t mean getting married., and what conditions can be supplied? Gas is cheaper, but for how long? After all, the old story will probably start: we don’t have enough gas, we’ll sell it and we’ll sell it. However, the Romanians or someone else. or maybe in three chairs, but I’m afraid the seat isn’t enough. Rake 450 and reduce the price, given that you need to invest a lot of money in the reconstruction.
  21. mitrich
    +1
    6 September 2011 10: 51
    Let's clear up the situation. When determining the formula for gas prices in 2009, it was quite acceptable for Ukraine and at the level of the European average. The Ukrainian comrades then decided that the price of hydrocarbons would fall (the year was 2009 - the height of the crisis), so they signed autographs under the contracts. However, prices did not fall, but, on the contrary, rose and ceased to be beneficial for Ukrainian consumers. Who is to blame for this? That's right, the one who risked playing "on the stock exchange". What Yanukovych's team is doing now is against Ukraine itself, since no one, I repeat, no one will further deal with a partner who, depending on the market situation, is ready to break the agreements reached earlier.
    So Yulka is judged in vain for this, in her and other sins in bulk.
    1. LESHA pancake
      0
      6 September 2011 14: 17
      Well, what can you do under the tank? All of these policies got caught. It’s NOT WOMEN'S BUSINESS that will be rolled up in ASPHALT AND WON’T WATCH THAT A WOMAN.
  22. -2
    6 September 2011 18: 01
    Recently visited Ukraine. I drove half, checked everything. Low prices, salaries as we have in Russia (excluding Moscow). It is always interesting to see the alternative development of Russian statehood. Findings:

    1. Ukraine is the best part of Russia.
    2. Ukraine has more rights to Russia than Russia has to Ukraine.
    3. Russia without Ukraine as a person without a goal in life.
    4. Ukraine without Russia is like a head without a body.

    The behavior of Ukrainians is irresponsible in relation to the fate of Russia.
    1. -2
      9 September 2011 08: 21
      Great you get!
      Before making such conclusions, would you look at the map ...

      1. I will not argue with this point, Ukraine is not a part of Russia now.
      2. It is interesting to know what rights this is about ...
      3. and 4. Again, somehow not very. States live each their lives. And if it were the way you write, Russia would have come Khan. In the meantime, no, oddly enough.

      And deciding the fate of Russia is the business of the Russians, and not the Ukrainians. They can not solve their own so far.
    2. -1
      9 September 2011 18: 18
      Dreams of the member of chamber №6
  23. 0
    6 September 2011 19: 51
    In principle, nothing has changed!
    All election campaigns in Ukraine are held on a friendly note. Almost all candidates promise improved relations with Russia, strengthen economic ties. All emphasize Slavic roots. But the elections are over and the PRESENT FACE of the candidate appears. The election promises have practically nothing to do with actions after the elections . It’s a pity that the people are tuned in so far that Yanukovych knows that he needs to do the economy !!! Another gas scandal is likely to add minuses to the image of Ukraine and Russia than open the way for Ukraine to the EU.
    1. -2
      9 September 2011 18: 21
      You see. Although before the election you turn to face Russia. And after the election, you turn to her real face. The truth is that it is not called a face at all. I hope you understand what I wanted to say.
      1. -2
        10 September 2011 07: 14
        They are not turning. Not Ukrainians. And the "representatives of the will of the people" elected by them. Naturally, this does not mean that such a maneuver is an expression of the will of that very people.
  24. Boss
    -4
    7 September 2011 20: 37
    Yanukovych is afraid, and apparently justified, of the role of his younger brother in Russia-Ukraine relations.
    I don't like this "partnership" either.
    BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU "1984" George Orwell
    (Big Brother is looking at you)
    1. -2
      9 September 2011 08: 25
      I agree. Because it is justified. It is not known that it is better to be a younger brother in such a family, or to be a specific tsar in my village. It is figurative.
      Although the Ukrainian village is bigger and, in principle, a bit richer will be than Belarus, and there dad Lukashenko rules and nothing ... almost.

      Quote: Bos-s
      BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU "1984" George Orwell


      You know, but in this scenario, what is happening in the world now, does it matter what the older brother will watch? Russia, EU, WTO ... USA?
      Well, really big brother to be in any case. All this goes. The question is only benefits.
  25. Sobibor
    0
    11 September 2011 14: 57
    And what do you want?

    In Russia, the myth is actively imposed that the population of Ukraine only dreams of diving into the arms of the Russian Federation - no, it does not. Young people do not even dream of anything, but hate Russia, even in the East (I would say all the more so, even in the West, youth are more loyal to the Russian Federation).
    It has long been known that the vast majority of young people in Ukraine occupy a pro-Western position, and the vast majority of retirees are pro-Russian. But the nature is such that these pensioners are getting smaller and Yanukovych is forced to maneuver into the EU, and sooner or later into NATO.
    1. slan
      -1
      11 September 2011 23: 39
      In Russia, the myth is actively imposed that the population of Ukraine is normal people. But this is a myth ((A significant part of Ukrainians are notorious envious to frenzy).
  26. Hans grohman
    0
    20 December 2011 16: 59
    Yanyk forgot to ask the people where to go west or east - and not finish the game for long.

    Yes, and also, do not forget that Ukrainians are Russians who live in Ukraine. Russia, it was originally Kiev. So we want it or not, but we can only have a prospect together (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) - otherwise there will be no Russians at all.

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