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The latest batteries (top) and more efficient operation of systems such as mobile generators (below) promote energy efficiency.

Since fossil fuel reserves are limited, and its cost is high, the military is looking for alternatives to the current methods of supplying their bases and equipment to the theater of operations (theater of operations). Let's see how the industry contributes to the promotion of innovation in this area.

“Since 2001 in Iraq and Afghanistan, more than 3000 American soldiers and contract soldiers have lost their lives or were injured when attacking fuel and water supply columns,” according to statistics from the Ministry of Defense.

However, reducing fuel consumption by 10% for five years would allow 35 to save the life and health of soldiers from fuel supply columns for the same period; This data is taken from a study by Deloitte auditing company, published in 2009 year. At the moment, data for the period 2009-2014 years for losses associated with the columns of the supply of water and fuel, were not presented.

Prior to this, it was estimated that in each of the 24 fuel convoys there was one wounded or killed. For example, in 2007, only in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US Army conducted 6030 fuel convoys. This has led to the emergence of a new bill submitted to the Senate this year, the 2014 Energy Security Act of the Ministry of Defense, which aims to help military operations become more energy efficient and less rely on fossil fuels.

The goal is not only to save money in the Pentagon’s budget, but also to reduce the need for fuel convoys and, ultimately, reduce the risks for military personnel.

The US Department of Defense is currently the single largest consumer of fuel, which needs about 90 million barrels of oil, worth almost 15 billions of dollars a year. 75% of this amount goes to meet the needs of active troops, and by 2025, it is planned to increase it by 11%.

Collaboration work

Not only the United States paid serious attention not only to fuel efficiency, but also to the so-called “smart energy”. In 2012, NATO created a working group to identify the most promising energy-saving solutions and initiate multinational projects to coordinate them. NATO also considered the possibility of integrating the concept of smart energy into documents defining the strategy and standards of the alliance.

After the meeting in May 2012, the SENT (Smart Energy Team) Smart Energy Team was created, it is funded under the NATO Science for Peace and Security program. The group is led by NATO’s Lithuanian Energy Security Center and the Joint Department for the Environment of the Swedish Armed Forces. The group includes experts from eight countries, including six allies (Canada, Germany, Lithuania, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States) and two partners (Australia and Sweden).

“We want soldiers and commanders to understand that energy savings have a direct impact on the safety and lives of soldiers,” said Susan Michaelis, smart energy officer at NATO headquarters. “It frees up resources for the main NATO mission, which is currently aimed at protecting fuel convoys.”

She added that SENT is considering NATO standardization agreements on “smart energy,” which should include the installation of intelligent flow meters in existing military camps; general design of future camps; training and participation of experts; general training included in the general military training course; and a scheme to encourage officers who have succeeded in reducing fuel consumption. ”

Total overhead

The US military and NATO conducted calculations of the so-called FBCF (fully burdened cost of fuel) fuel cost, which takes into account all operational factors in the energy supply chain, including transportation, infrastructure, human resources, maintenance, security and energy storage.

Consequently, going through one gallon (3,785 liters) of fuel across its entire supply chain worth up to 3,50 dollars in a US well (77 cents per liter) can reach prices in excess of 100 dollars per gallon (22 dollars per liter) after delivery to the advanced North eastern Afghanistan.

According to these calculations, alternative energy sources and smart energy solutions that cannot be financially competitive in everyday life due to their high initial capital costs are becoming more and more justified on the battlefield.

Earl Energy CEO Doug Morehead said that “to be honest, when you start paying 15 dollars for a gallon, a lot of the new technology makes sense.”

Indeed, if a combined system for generating solar energy and reserve energy storage is uneconomical for home and life, then it is invaluable when deployed to the military, especially if you look at it with all the components in the FBCF.

In June, the Dutch army demonstrated a tent covered with solar cells at the NATO Capable Logistician 2013 exercises in Slovakia in June. The army has already installed 2013 square meters of solar panels in Mazar-i-Sharif in Afghanistan, which are currently generating 480 kWh. According to an energy expert in the Netherlands Army, Lieutenant Colonel Harm Renes, "the investment has already been justified."

In line with trends

The US Department of Defense holds annual Defense Energy Technology Challenge (DETC) competitions in defensive energy technologies in order to be in line with the latest trends in smart energy and select those that could be moved forward to help the military significantly reduce their dependence on minerals. fuel. The Pentagon has allocated 9 billions of dollars in energy efficiency programs for the 2013 – 2017 years.

In November, 2013 was selected by Sierra Energy with its FastOx power plant as the winner of the DETC 2013 competition held as part of the annual meeting on defense energy.

Sierra Energy President Mike Hart said: “The US military has a whole directorate that deals with waste management and the problems of reducing dependence on fossil fuels, as this makes them strategically vulnerable. A solution that can generate its own energy significantly affects several aspects, including increased safety, independence and environmental sustainability. ”

“Our technology that turns garbage into fuel in 2009 was identified as a key year, and therefore the Ministry of Defense’s renewable energy test center included it in its priority list. In some cases, when processing 10 tons of garbage, we can produce about 500 kWh of electricity without disrupting its supply. ”

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Non-alkaline slag

About this technology in a nutshell. Oxygen and steam are injected, heating the waste to 2200 ° C (without burning); This allows the use of any material, provided it contains carbon. Any residual metals, ashes or inorganic substances are melted into a liquid, which is drained to the bottom, which allows the reduction of metals. The remainder is in the form of unleached slag, which can be used for road paving. Two produced gases (70% carbon monoxide and 30% hydrogen) go to fuel cells that release only heat and water.

“This modular system can be abandoned in any area,” Hart noted. The system is currently being finalized so that it can be packaged in six to seven standard ISO containers for quick and easy deployment.

Most likely, fuel cell technology will be the preferred option, which will replace diesel generators in the field, especially in small units. The German Institute of Chemical Technology, Fraunhofer, is developing a portable hydrogen fuel cell for the German armed forces, which is silently capable of generating electricity with a capacity of 2 kW. The system uses solar energy to separate water into oxygen and hydrogen.

However, project manager at Eniquest, an Australian independent energy company, Chris Andrews, commented on the general interest in alternative fuel systems and increased use of renewable energy: “Our experience in the military market shows that with the current technology, the need for mobility, simplified transportation, quick installation, simplicity , the strength and predictability of supply outweighs the benefits of reducing fossil fuel use. ”

Eniquest supplies the Afghan army with various silent alternators and AC and DC power distribution stations. Andrews noted: "Improvements in technology, especially in energy / battery storage technology, which can compete with the specific energy of fossil fuels, will be important when avoiding the use of fossil fuels in military applications."

Immediate goals

At the time, in the medium and long term, emphasis can be placed on gradually eliminating dependence on fossil fuels, the immediate goal is to significantly reduce its use through a variety of methods.

One approach is to increase the efficiency of generators already in the theater. Earl Energy recently signed a contract with the Department of Defense for the Mobile Electric Hybrid Power Systems (MEHPS) Mobile Hybrid Energy Systems program, which could lead to the purchase of FlexGen units around 50. The system technology was previously adopted by the Marine Corps, which, in 2010, tested a prototype on an 6 kW in operation. Then it was announced that this technology will reduce fuel consumption on the battlefield by more than 80%.


During testing in Afghanistan, the Earl Energy FlexGen system allowed the generators to work from three to six hours a day instead of the previous round-the-clock operation.

“This is a reflection of how inefficient energy production on the battlefield at the current stage is equated with all the technologies that we have,” said Morehead. “The power grids are tailored for peak power generation, since one can never assume that the military does not have available energy to support its operations. And the same, unfortunately, applies to such a system as, for example, a generator. They work around the clock in this operating space, 365 days per year, regardless of whether energy is needed or not. It’s like a car that you never jam, even when you don’t use it. ”

The FlexGen hybrid system uses an automated diesel generator with start-stop capabilities that is combined with renewable energy sources and a large energy storage device. The generator operates at full capacity, and when there is excessive power, it charges the batteries. If the batteries are sufficiently charged and cope with the consumption of electricity, then the generator turns off. During testing in Afghanistan, the system allowed the generator to work from three to six hours a day with an average fuel economy of more than 50%.

Earl Energy is currently the main contractor for the Marine Corps and is developing the next-generation portable power system with 10 kW. The company sold 12 systems for trial operation; in perspective, new contracts provide for the acquisition of FlexGen systems up to 50.

Energy is being improved

The British Department of Defense has the Power FOB intelligent energy storage and management system, which allows for the introduction of renewable sources and energy-saving technologies. The system allows you to save up to 30% of fuel due to the accumulation of energy produced by diesel generators and solar panels, and to redistribute it at the right time to the right consumers.

All of these technologies rely on advanced battery storage solutions; in this case, renewable energy sources can become truly deployable.

Morehead added: “The soldier’s daily need for kilowatt hours is constantly increasing as he carries more energy consumers than he ever had before. A modern soldier needs 10 times more energy than 15 years ago. ”

The British company Lincad produces a line of intelligent lithium-ion batteries Lithium Ion Power Source (LIPS). Her model LIPS 5 has become the most successful in the company's catalog; more than 17 500 pieces were delivered to the British Department of Defense and other customers around the world. As one company executive noted: “The first LIPS battery was released in the 2000 year, weighed about 3,5 kg and had a 12 Ah capacity. The newest LIPS 10 model weighs the same, but has an 23 Ah capacity, dramatically reducing the logistic burden on the soldier. ”

Along with the supply of long-lasting rechargeable batteries, Lincad also manufactures a line of charging devices. A company spokesman said that “in recent years, solar energy storage technology has been developing rapidly, and therefore the Solar Charger and Power Scavenger solutions from Lincad have appeared. There was also a need for mobile charging from cars while driving. The vehicles are already generating energy from their generators and this is implemented in the DC Vehicle Charger DC charger from Lincad. The emergence of these chargers means that users do not need to carry a lot of batteries. "

Sometimes soldiers carry on themselves up to 10 kg of batteries that need recharging, and the large capacity of batteries and flexible solutions for charging them reduce the need to return to the base, which can positively affect the performance of a combat mission.

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  1. +8
    30 December 2014 07: 29
    Let the bourgeois break their heads on the effectiveness of supplying their bases, but in the light of a new round of development of the Russian north, this problem comes to the fore. Northern delivery to remote military bases (and just to settlements) does not last long, so inevitably it is necessary to switch to the extraction of energy from renewable sources. In particular, wind generators and efficient batteries for them. Everything will be cheaper than solarium in barrels by sea, and even more so by air. This is even more true for Antarctic stations.
    1. Vacha1974
      +8
      30 December 2014 08: 52
      Quote: inkass_98
      Let the bourgeois break their heads on the effectiveness of supplying their bases, but in the light of a new round of development of the Russian north, this problem comes to the fore. Northern delivery to remote military bases (and just to settlements) does not last long, so inevitably it is necessary to switch to the extraction of energy from renewable sources. In particular, wind generators and efficient batteries for them. Everything will be cheaper than solarium in barrels by sea, and even more so by air. This is even more true for Antarctic stations.

      At one time I dealt with the problem of processing solid waste. From 5 tons of garbage you can get 1 ton of excellent diesel fuel. There is a lot of garbage, fuel is expensive, but nobody at the state level does this. And nobody cares. Why dont know.
      1. 3vs
        +5
        30 December 2014 10: 26
        Therefore, it is not interested in the fact that while there is oil and gas, why the heck is ours
        billionaires to invest in something, if there is something to pump from the earth.

        The author did not touch on the topic of such developments in our country, it would be interesting.
      2. +2
        30 December 2014 20: 10
        Quote: Vacha1974

        At one time I dealt with the problem of processing solid waste. From 5 tons of garbage you can get 1 ton of excellent diesel fuel. There is a lot of garbage, fuel is expensive, but nobody at the state level does this. And nobody cares. Why dont know.

        Yes, because these citizens do not need it, more oil, more theft, less worries.
    2. 0
      11 January 2015 16: 50
      Wave generators are produced in our country and all their technologies
  2. +1
    30 December 2014 07: 51
    Alas, we have a lot of oil. coal. nobody cares about gas and alternative energy.
    1. +1
      30 December 2014 15: 15
      The forgotten old is good!

      The GB-58 gas generator tractor is based on the DT-54 diesel tractor.
      1. 0
        30 December 2014 20: 12
        Quote: Andriuha077
        The forgotten old is good!

        The GB-58 gas generator tractor is based on the DT-54 diesel tractor.

        Well, on wood you will not go far especially where they are not.
        1. +1
          31 December 2014 01: 06
          Quote: valokordin
          Well, on wood you will not go far especially where they are not.

          So we will ride a horse drawn!))
          1. 0
            7 January 2015 16: 39
            And oats are now expensive))
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  3. +3
    30 December 2014 08: 10
    I think that many breakthrough technologies are at a loss, since hydrocarbon minerals have a significant impact on the markets of the whole world and the Russian Federation is not alone in this. The question of profit is no more.
    1. +1
      30 December 2014 08: 37
      Yes, they talked a lot about this while the world sits on the oil and gas needle about any perpetual motion machines and you can’t dream of it. This slows down the development of mankind, because it is obvious.
    2. +1
      30 December 2014 10: 26
      Quote: lotar
      I think that many breakthrough technologies are at a loss, since hydrocarbon minerals have a significant impact on the markets of the whole world and the Russian Federation is not alone in this. The question of profit is no more.

      There is an opinion that the reason why the United States reopened its oil fields and rapidly engaged in shale oil is progress in the creation of "other sources of energy" and therefore, in order not to be left with unnecessary oil in the future, the Americans extract it as much as possible while it still costs something ...
      PS: This year LM announced "successes" in cold nuclear fusion, and the famous "Andrea Rossi generator", who caused the wave of "shit in comments" ...
    3. 0
      31 December 2014 23: 46
      Quote: lotar
      I think that many breakthrough technologies are at a loss, since hydrocarbon minerals have a significant impact on the markets of the whole world and the Russian Federation is not alone in this. The question of profit is no more.

      I read about the opening of some kind of pepper with a fireproof lamp, the patent was acquired by General Electric and sunk in the offices.
  4. +1
    30 December 2014 08: 11
    Yes, it was a shame to watch how we in the Far North are trying to "utilize" waste by burning it. Under the vague reasoning that such a "technology" would further aggravate the ecology of permafrost.
    And they get it differently:
    “Our technology that turns garbage into fuel was identified as key in 2009, and therefore the Ministry of Defense’s renewable energy testing center included it on its priority list. In some cases, when processing 10 tons of garbage, we can produce about 500 kW of electricity without disrupting its supply. ”

    These are the pies with kittens.
  5. +1
    30 December 2014 08: 25
    let the warriors show fuel-free technologies and real ones! but not this nonsense!
  6. +8
    30 December 2014 08: 45
    Now many broadcast about alternative forms of energy. Let's look at Russia and its northern territories. What are we going to ride? If on electricity, which batteries will be needed? In addition to moving vehicles, you also need to warm the cabin with people. How long will the batteries last? 50 kilometers? And for the production of electricity you need to do some work, burn something, catch the wind, sunlight, drop water. And if the last three methods are even more or less environmentally friendly, then with the burning of coal, oil, gas, not everything is simple. Yes, and the inside of the battery during disposal creates problems. Alternatively, provide roads with contact lines or come up with technology for wireless power transmission. In short, electric cars are not an option for cold areas.
    You know, gentlemen who call me to ride bicycles still amuse me. Well, let's. In Novosibirsk, for example. And what? A city for one and a half million, with the suburbs all two. There are enough traffic jams. In January. When is -20 at best. Let's see how you pedal through the snowdrifts. And so - HAPPY NEW YEAR!
    1. 0
      30 December 2014 10: 23
      Quote: Andrey NM
      In January. When is -20 at best. Let's see how you pedal through the snowdrifts.

      Just from the street, I noticed at least three cyclists. We have -14, blizzard.
  7. 0
    30 December 2014 09: 48

    here is an example of a working prototype!
    Well, since I began to upload the releases of the everlasting trees of the last year, I cannot fail to mention Roman Karnoukhov, who has been exciting the public for the second year. He solders a lot and different things, he has a wide outlook, excellent skills. Little, apparently, misunderstood what exactly generates too much, but this did not prevent him from squeezing 1 kW of excess energy from the device into the load. Roman worked in Kazakhstan, tried to start generators in Riga, and now moved to Germany, where in the city of Stuttgart, together with STEHO ENERGY AG, he will try to set up the serial production of his over-unit generators. Let's wish him good luck.

    TOTAL -man left for GERMANY! Well, where are the NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND TO WHOM THEY WILL GET ???
    1. +1
      30 December 2014 10: 23
      In the country, so if you don’t have the means to promote your invention, no one will be interested in the invention, the State does not have a system to help promote the development of private inventors, and all new developments go abroad.
    2. +3
      30 December 2014 12: 16
      Even just looking at these devices can we say that they are not effective. To begin with, the solenoid has the limits of capacitance, voltage. After that they just punch. The same can be said about toroidal trance. The whole layout is primitive and linear. Without taking into account the processes of transformation of the distribution algorithms of magnetic force flows, not only in the total circuit, but also in its individual components. The entire elemental base is built on linear principles. In short. Usually everybody talks further, but do I know what I'm talking about. Even if it is a long-acting device, but with a very small efficiency and impossibility of scaling.
      1. +2
        30 December 2014 13: 19
        gridasov UA Today, 12:16 ↑ New
        Even just looking at these devices can we say that they are not effective. To begin with, the solenoid has the limits of capacitance, voltage. After that they just punch. The same can be said about toroidal trance. The whole layout is primitive and linear. Without taking into account the processes of transformation of the distribution algorithms of magnetic force flows, not only in the total circuit, but also in its individual components. The entire elemental base is built on linear principles. In short. Usually everybody talks further, but do I know what I'm talking about. Even if it is a long-acting device, but with a very small efficiency and impossibility of scaling.

        I agree with you. The entire Internet is crammed with schemes of "perpetual" engines. Young pioneers came to me and asked me to solder the circuit to the device. Many would like it. You pour water into the tank and you get hydrogen at the exit. The machine becomes super economical. They assured me that the scheme is 100% working. Naturally, I did not solder. Everything seems very simple to everyone.
        1. 0
          30 December 2014 14: 43
          People generally overestimate their abilities. Geniuses and talents are born and work very rarely. In addition, they are always perceived with hostility. Conclusion . You need to look not in what is essentially known, but in what is rather completely incomprehensible. But!!! As the truth speaks. Only a prophet can understand a prophet. And since the prophets do not come in pairs, it is necessary to wait through a generation that some prophet will see and hear the previous one and embody his creation, but at the level of his genius.
    3. 0
      30 December 2014 20: 16
      Quote: Nitarius
      TOTAL -man left for GERMANY! Well, where are the NEW TECHNOLOGIES AND TO WHOM THEY WILL GET ???

      Angel Merkel
      1. 0
        2 January 2015 07: 50
        But who needs a glow of lamps then watch? Let him show the oscillograms, then maybe I will. At least forms of current and voltage in the load, this is not a secret. laughing
        In general, all this crap, as a designer of secondary power sources, I say, looks more like a dummy.
  8. sq
    0
    30 December 2014 10: 21
    In itself, energy production has already been worked out quite well, but the question of supplying energy without loss to the consumer is constant. Here, the global issue of small, capacious and cheap batteries. Who can develop such a thing first - will have considerable advantages.
    1. 0
      30 December 2014 12: 04
      And you can define the term ENERGY so that it is permissible to say that you can get it. Of course, if only humanity is not going to stoke wood in the future. as the only renewable product. Rivers, too, do not flow forever. The sun does not always shine. The wind does not always blow.
      1. +2
        30 December 2014 12: 20
        And what do you dislike "firewood"? The topic is also developing powerfully. Ethanol, diesel fuel, fuel briquettes.

        Actually, "kvm" correctly puts the question: losses during the transportation of electricity are enormous
        1. 0
          30 December 2014 14: 44
          I like firewood. Especially in the bathhouse. But in general, the conversation is not about firewood with a low energy conversion potential.
    2. 0
      30 December 2014 12: 06
      In Germany, they developed a battery with a turbine operating on hydrogen, which can power a mobile phone for three weeks, and the size of the battery is half that of a smartphone.
      1. 0
        30 December 2014 12: 18
        Evolution involves not only an increase in variance, but also optimization. It is like two opposite vectors. Complexity and simplicity.
      2. +2
        30 December 2014 12: 21
        This "battery" costs more than a dozen smartphones.
        1. +1
          30 December 2014 15: 22
          At the experimental stage, it is expensive, but it still takes several years before mass production and will cost like a regular battery.
          1. 0
            30 December 2014 23: 14
            It strikes naivety. If you know that there is a law of conservation of energy, then you should understand that the battery is an email. a chemical element that does not allow for a high energy density. Therefore, it is necessary to separate the problems of providing the household level with energy, military support and a completely different category of energy issues that relate to radically new levels of energy processes. So the last category is that which is associated with the breakthrough of humanity as a civilization into a new round of development. This is, in short, the provision of levels of hyperspeed flights and energy sources for all types of lasers. This is providing energy to underwater and space settlements. This is all that is actually at the level of fantasy.
      3. +2
        30 December 2014 20: 18
        Quote: Vadim237
        In Germany, they developed a battery with a turbine operating on hydrogen, which can power a mobile phone for three weeks, and the size of the battery is half that of a smartphone.

        Well, this is in Germany, and we have Chubais, who burns 56 billion rubles a year from their pockets at KPD-0
  9. +1
    30 December 2014 14: 12
    It is strange that nothing is said about the flywheels. But in the best experimental samples they are ahead of any batteries even in capacity, not to mention the operating modes, the number of cycles (almost unlimited), reliability and safety. Now, the main problem of using super-flywheels is safety in case of their failure, since the energy released is comparable to the explosion of an appropriate amount of combustible substances, and my older colleagues had to find a flywheel 2,5 km from a concrete hall with a punched concrete roof. Oh .. from.

    And, for example, rotary UPSs, or, in English FES, from - “Active Power” with CleanSource drives have long been used in PSCs. Not expensive, ~ $ 300 per kW.
    1. 0
      30 December 2014 14: 49
      Let it be known to you that the flywheels have a problem in their handling. Therefore, not the flywheel itself is important, but the principles of fih. process embedded in it. For example, a hydro-gas-dynamic flywheel in the form of a stream of high density and energy concentration. Mechanical flywheels have their limits. The same blade of a helicopter or aircraft is essentially the same flywheel, therefore, at certain levels of rotation speed, its field emission occurs. By simple, it is destroyed. And at first it shines. Moreover, it is destroyed not only at the ends, but also on the blades, in well-known and justified zones.
  10. 0
    30 December 2014 14: 49
    The Japanese equip their latest submarines with lithium-ion batteries.
  11. +2
    30 December 2014 16: 55
    Two exhaust gases (70% carbon monoxide and 30% hydrogen) go to fuel cells that produce only heat and water.

    pancake fusion in its purest form laughing
    (and where is the carbon delhi?)
  12. 0
    30 December 2014 20: 22
    Quote: spech
    Two exhaust gases (70% carbon monoxide and 30% hydrogen) go to fuel cells that produce only heat and water.

    pancake fusion in its purest form laughing
    (and where is the carbon delhi?)

    Regarding new technologies in the energy plan, call RUSNANO or SKOLKOVO and either Vitya or Tolya will answer you.
  13. +1
    30 December 2014 22: 55
    New technologies, new technologies .... Of course, new developments are good! But, for starters, it would not be bad to finalize, but for the frequent and easy way to start using the old developments! How many buildings are insulated? Is regulation used everywhere? In the south, how many solar power plants and plants using solar energy, and on the shores of the seas wind generators? And much more!
    1. 0
      30 December 2014 23: 18
      I can absolutely confidently say that from past technologies there are no ones that can give an impetus to the future. Everything stood still.
  14. +1
    30 December 2014 23: 47
    Well, I’ll sit alone. Without an ensemble ... Damn it ...

    It is impossible and bad without an ensemble!
    1. +2
      30 December 2014 23: 55
      Quote: studentmati
      It is impossible and bad without an ensemble!

      Hello Sasha! There an unrecognized genius above appeared- gridasov Have you heard anything about: field emission of flywheels? what It's from him Yes. Not. Of course, I understand that I am so-so in a compromise. Still, more on electrodynamics / magnetism worked. But what would it be like at all ... Maybe it’s really how it all started for me? what
      1. +1
        31 December 2014 00: 01
        Quote: retired
        Have you heard anything about: field emission of flywheels? what This is from it yes.


        I am weak in this. Not interested in the question.
        1. +1
          31 December 2014 00: 07
          Quote: studentmati
          Not interested in the question.

          Well, think it yourself! AUTO-electronic ... Well, let's say, although there are questions about the phrase ... Well, the EMISSION let's ... But Flywheels ??? Can you imagine the emission as a result of which the flywheels fly from the cathode to the Anode ?? belay
          1. +2
            31 December 2014 00: 12
            Quote: retired
            Well, think it yourself! AUTO-electronic ... Well, let's say, although there are questions about the phrase ... Well, the EMISSION let's ... But Flywheels ??? Can you imagine the emission as a result of which the flywheels fly from the cathode to the Anode ?? belay


            I understand you, Yura!

            Quote from gridasova: "People generally overestimate their abilities."
            1. +2
              31 December 2014 00: 19
              Quote: studentmati
              "People generally overestimate their abilities."

              Got it ... recourse
              In the early 80s, we worked on creating crystals with the so-called charge density waves (CDW). The bottom line. By cutting such a crystal in a certain place, more precisely in 2 places, a battery was obtained, the potential difference of which on opposite sides was precisely provided by the uneven (and periodic) distribution of electron density. At that time, you managed to create a potential difference in microvolts. I don’t know: in what state is this topic now. At my department very actively dealt with this topic ...
              1. +2
                31 December 2014 00: 27
                Yura, excuse me, knocks me down. Who is the potential difference or the toggle switch? I'm off. Be healthy and strong in spirit! drinks Just in case, with the upcoming NG, and then tomorrow (today) the day will be kutermyashny.
              2. 0
                31 December 2014 00: 30
                Correctly . Because the crystal formed in vivo has a balanced email. magnetic structure. They cut it and the structure received an unbalanced potential, i.e. a potential difference. There you have the battery.
            2. +1
              31 December 2014 00: 44
              Quote: studentmati
              Quote from gridasova: "People generally overestimate their abilities."

              Quote from him:
              Only a prophet can understand a prophet.

              So, humble yourself and listen, unworthy ...
              Quote: gridasov
              And since the prophets do not come in pairs, it is necessary to wait through a generation that some prophet will see and hear the previous one and embody his creation, but at the level of his genius.

              And ... He is very lonely ... crying
              1. +1
                31 December 2014 00: 53
                Quote: chehywed
                He is very lonely ..

                But we are NOT !!! Yes Glad to see you !! fellow Sitting alone Yes ... without ensemble sad myself winked ...Well, you understand feel ... The year is over !!!!! Oh, very hard recourse . By God. Nerves left - a couple of years ahead Yes ...But stop let's not talk about sad things! I've been sitting for 3 nights fool ! Vova for you! drinks
                1. +1
                  31 December 2014 00: 56
                  Quote: retired
                  Vova for you! drinks

                  Yura, for you! Can I have kefir? I'm at 7 in the morning behind the wheel. crying
                  1. +2
                    31 December 2014 01: 00
                    Quote: chehywed
                    Can I have kefir?

                    Come on. There is 1,5% alcohol. Damn today he sowed his card Gazprombank !! Thank God in time I noticed - blocked her nnna ... I have one more - temporary (Toko pin forgot-fool) Pancake. Che for a year: lost his passport (though they will give a new one tomorrow ...), lost 2 cards, got it on the head, they want to pick it up from work, a friend sent it off and Vova with kefir recourse ...That's it sad ... Vova for you! drinks
                    1. +3
                      31 December 2014 01: 03
                      Quote: retired
                      What for the year:

                      Quote: retired
                      ..That's it

                      And also the son is a musician recourse His mother! also nearby wassat
                      1. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 06
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        And also the son is a musician

                        His mother. Yes
                        Hello missing! drinks
                      2. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 09
                        Quote: retired
                        Hello missing!

                        Am I missing ??? 7 And who drank tea on Skype from under the table? wassat
                    2. +1
                      31 December 2014 01: 08
                      Quote: retired
                      Che for the year: ... and Vova with kefir recourse

                      Yur, it happens ... But there is also a positive one. The agents reported: "The object left the sorting room on the 24th." drinks
                      Quote: retired
                      ... on the head got

                      belay E-burg becomes a criminal capital?
                  2. +3
                    31 December 2014 01: 04
                    Quote: chehywed
                    Can I have kefir?

                    One can good 5 liters per person and table rights laughing
                    1. +1
                      31 December 2014 01: 09
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      5 liters per person

                      No. Counted the weight of a normal man what . Few request . Must be at least 10 sad . Unless, of course, the toilet is within walking distance, then it’s as if Iheeren with it. And if not?? sad
                      1. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 11
                        Quote: retired
                        Counted the weight of a normal man

                        I already wrote, stop getting smart fool
                        Quote: retired
                        toilet in walking distance, then as if iheren with it

                        With a toilet?
                      2. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 17
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        With a toilet?

                        well what ... After 10 liters of kefir and with it too Yes ...
                      3. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 13
                        Quote: retired
                        You need at least 10

                        Not Yur, for peristalsis exhausted with whiskey 5 liters is more than enough. Yes
                      4. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 16
                        Quote: chehywed
                        tormented by whiskey

                        sad In short: I stop getting smart recourse and you stop vandalizing Yes . Have agreed wink ?
                      5. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 19
                        Quote: retired
                        ... and you stop being rude Yes . Agreed

                        Well so, where to cease further then, I drink kefir ... recourse
                      6. +4
                        31 December 2014 01: 22
                        Quote: chehywed
                        where to cease further then, I drink kefir ...

                        Sitting with an empty mug and dreaming of kefir sad laughing
                      7. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 24
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Sitting with an empty mug and dreaming of kefir

                        And you are cruel ... laughing
                      8. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 26
                        Quote: chehywed
                        And you are cruel ...

                        School.... request Next on the list bully
                      9. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 31
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Next on the list

                        I'll throw you a list in PM. There are suitable customers here Yes ...
                      10. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 34
                        Quote: retired
                        There are suitable customers here

                        Santa Claus not to order stop Have a conscience .. if there is no one else what
                      11. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 35
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Santa Claus not to order

                        Late recourse ...
                        http://politobzor.net/show-40780-http-odnarodynacomua-content-ded-moroz-ili-novo
                        godnie-otmorozki.html
                      12. +4
                        31 December 2014 01: 37
                        Quote: retired
                        Late

                        Judging by the number of recent posts, the entire site reads our New Year's ravings. laughing
                      13. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 44
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        our New Year's ravings

                        Yours, Ruslan, yours Yes . I am adequate soldier .
                      14. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 46
                        Quote: retired
                        I am adequate

                        In the ass is drunk but combat ready? tongue
                      15. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 43
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Santa Claus not to order

                        And it has already come to us ... !! drinks
                      16. +4
                        31 December 2014 01: 50
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        And it has already come to us ... !!

                        Now does not expel? laughing drinks
                      17. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 59
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        And it has already come to us ... !!

                        Did he even leave?
                        Hi dear! drinks
                      18. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 17
                        Nah ... !!!!
                        There is no way to get out wassat
                        Greetings, Yura, Ruslan, Vladimir and All the people in solidarity with Us who survived the "perestroika" b ... ling!
                        HAPPY GUYS !!!! drinks
                      19. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 19
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        HAPPY GUYS !!!!

                        With him, Vladlen !! drinks
                      20. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 20
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        and All people who are in solidarity with Us who have survived the "perestroika" b ... ling!

                        VO-in1 And then one log polisher wants to scare us with a cheerges wassat
                      21. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 44
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        VO-in1 And then one log polisher wants to scare us with a cheerges

                        laughing Scaring us is no longer possible, by definition! remember .. if the alcohol freezes ... we will gnaw it wassat
                        I'm on emotions now ..., I have to say a lot .., my fingers are ahead of my thoughts, I would like to see you .., hug ..., talk .., in our opinion, in a simple way, in Russian, with Friends and with Opponents !!!
                      22. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 47
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        I'm on emotions now ..., I have a lot to say ..

                        Quote: DRA-88
                        talk .., in our opinion, in a simple way, in Russian,

                        And in the morning you will explain to Smirnov that all these words are in the Dahl dictionary wassat
                      23. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 59
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        And in the morning you will explain to Smirnov that all these words are in the Dahl dictionary

                        Guys say he's in cyprus good
                        Yes, no difference, there is a backup account))))))))
                        Hear the Boys !!!
                      24. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 26
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        HAPPY GUYS !!!!

                        Yes! drinks (in kefir mugs) Yes
                      25. +1
                        31 December 2014 03: 13
                        Kefirrrrr ?????))))))))
                        So do not get off)))))
                        We will drinks
                    2. +3
                      31 December 2014 01: 12
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      5 liters per person

                      After this, only manage the toilet. Hi Ruslan! drinks (in kefir mugs)
                      1. +4
                        31 December 2014 01: 16
                        Quote: chehywed
                        (in kefir mugs)

                        Pervert feel
                        Quote: chehywed
                        After this, only manage the toilet.

                        Can you imagine if they take away the rights to the toilet after this? belay
                      2. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 20
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Can you imagine if they take away the rights to the toilet after this?

                        belay Jopppa ...
                      3. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 22
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Can you imagine if they take away the rights to the toilet after this?

                        belay
                        What, have experience? wink
                      4. +4
                        31 December 2014 01: 25
                        Quote: retired
                        have any experience?

                        When you drink kefir for three (washed down with cold alcohol) there are options what
                      5. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 28
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        When you drink kefir for three (washed down with cold alcohol) there are options

                        You won't believe what the options are when you use the "fraga" ... sad
                      6. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 43
                        Quote: retired
                        You won’t believe what options there are,

                        after the cocktail: Alcohol-Champagne-Ether you can’t surprise me with karbafos request
                      7. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 47
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        after the cocktail: Alcohol-Champagne-Ether you can’t surprise me with karbafos

                        Hmm ... but I was reproached with grass here just now. request
                      8. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 49
                        Quote: chehywed
                        .and I was reproached with grass here just now.

                        So don’t smoke parsley, they won’t laughing
                      9. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 55
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        don't smoke parsley-

                        Why, parashenko has already been packaged. chel? what Spice what Or: parasaspice ?? belay No. No. I will not recourse . Themselves feel ...
                      10. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 55
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        So don’t smoke parsley, they won’t

                        Yes, I don’t even smoke, but then I joked about ganjubas, so I almost broke it! You drink zimbur and nothing. request The mentality however! laughing
                      11. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 58
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Yes, I don’t even smoke

                        I sympathize recourse
                        Quote: chehywed
                        The mentality however!

                        soldier bully
                      12. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 00
                        Quote: chehywed
                        ganjubas

                        belay Hic ... And Cho etto ?? what
                      13. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 05
                        Quote: retired
                        And what is this ??

                        Do you know a fairy tale about a seven-flower? Not from scratch took. Yes
                      14. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 07
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Do you know a fairy tale about a seven-flower?

                        Duc it seems and did not smell what ... And they definitely didn’t smoke stop !
                      15. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 14
                        Well, Yura, would you like it to be written in a children's fairy tale: "... and when the girl Zina pulled her heel, her roof was blown away"?
                      16. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 17
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Well, Yura, would you like it to be written in a children's fairy tale: "... and when the girl Zina pulled her heel, her roof was blown away"?

                        Ну what ...As an option Yes .
                      17. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 25
                        Quote: retired
                        ...As an option

                        Probably, if the author was creating now, then he would have written. But I am against such a reflection of objective reality. stop
                      18. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 57
                        Quote: chehywed
                        I am against such a reflection of objective reality.

                        Those. Skate - The hunchback doesn’t bother you? what I’m silent about Ruslan and Lumila request . There Pushkin finally something exceptionally picky smoked Yes ...
                      19. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 00
                        Quote: retired
                        I’m silent about Ruslan and Lumila

                        And why did he sniff when he wrote about Tsar Nikita? 40 women and all without ..... belay wassat
                      20. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 10
                        And a bag with ... them feel ...Yes?
                      21. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 13
                        Quote: retired
                        And a bag with ... them

                        Exactly good Ischo and woke up managed ... feel
                      22. +1
                        31 December 2014 03: 31
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Ischo and woke up managed ...

                        I also sniffed what ...So?
                      23. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 53
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        you will not surprise karbafos under the kile

                        I will surprise Yes ... Fraga is the liquid formed after washing the "crust" - a precision casting mold made of Al2O3 with concentration glue, the color of milk diluted with water. And since I wash the "crust" with pure alcohol, then the "fraga" is almost pure alcohol, with concentration glue dissolved in it (partly ess-nno), and a suspension of alundum + Vskaya dirt, which has been accumulating in tanks for decades ... And we they drank it crying ... well, it’s when it’s already sad . Effect - Guaranteed good . The most important thing is to grab more immediately Yes . Because most of it will fly out right there. Someone like, but I have obyazhno bottom recourse ... but the parish was Yes !
                      24. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 56
                        Quote: retired
                        I will surprise

                        Fuck you to the jelly tongue Chemerges ordinary ...
                      25. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 05
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Chemerges

                        Well, I don’t know ... If you can’t surprise you with a frag request ... I definitely haven’t tried anything cooler request ...Cologne? what - so ... Bullshit negative . Cucumber lotion did not even have to bite. One drawback is the neck is very thin. While you drink, you create such a vacuum in a bottle sad ... Triple cologne - yes, put the salt in water and salt Yes ... Acetone was not drunk request , BF - too ... Maybe you tried? wink
                      26. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 09
                        Quote: retired
                        the neck is very thin.

                        Through the straw weakly? Teacher tongue laughing
                        Quote: retired
                        .Aceton did not drink

                        Quote: retired
                        BF - too.

                        Similarly colleague hi
                      27. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 11
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Through the straw weakly?

                        Ah ... Fucking. You have to get it right: HAP !, I ate and went. Do you agree with a colleague? wink
                      28. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 14
                        Quote: retired
                        Ah ... Fucking. You have to get it right: HAP !, I ate and went.

                        Quote: retired
                        One drawback is the neck is very thin. While you drink, you create such a vacuum in a bottle

                        decide on the testimony of a colleague hi And then while we decide how to use, his mother will come and we will suck .. well, what’s on us wassat
                      29. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 20
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        we will suck.

                        Not. Themselves ... Yes
                      30. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 25
                        Quote: retired
                        Not. Themselves ...

                        Thank you Jura am Schaub you changed the log on the tsapa with nails tongue
                      31. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 27
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Schaub you changed the log on the tsapa with nails

                        Unlike you, I do not move Yes . So that... winked
                      32. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 30
                        Quote: retired
                        Unlike you, I do not move

                        Here are the eggs and swell from idleness wassat
                      33. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 32
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Here are the eggs and swell from idleness

                        Well ... recourse
                      34. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 10
                        Quote: retired
                        . Cologne? ... Cucumber lotion ... Triple cologne ... I didn’t drink acetone ... BF - too ..

                        Yes, you my friend esthete! winked And I mean barbarism ... yeah ...
                      35. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 22
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Yes, you my friend esthete!

                        Her request Not even a phenomenon ... laughing
                      36. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 26
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Not even a phenomenon ...

                        Say so, what a jerk. I do not deny recourse . In September I was almost cut off an egg ... It didn’t fit in my pants anymore ... At first they said like cancer what okay then outplayed ...
                      37. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 28
                        Quote: retired
                        .Pants no longer fit.

                        Noble Mishoo laughing Twice the front-runner good
                      38. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 31
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Noble Mishoo

                        You are honorable Yes . I still have: where to grow feel ...
                      39. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 35
                        Quote: retired
                        . I still have: where to grow

                        Will you grow the second? belay
                        Yura! Only as a humor drinks
                      40. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 37
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Will you grow the second?

                        Same to you... recourse
                      41. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 38
                        Quote: retired
                        In September I was almost cut off an egg ... well then they beat ...

                        They gave a pill, and it fell off by itself? laughing
                      42. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 54
                        Quote: chehywed
                        They gave a pill, and it fell off by itself?

                        Laugh, laugh ... recourse
                      43. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 58
                        Quote: retired
                        Laugh, laugh.

                        What? Is that true? belay Well then, what progress has come to ... lol
                      44. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 02
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Well then, what progress has come to ..

                        This is not progress. It’s Yura. wassat
                      45. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 12
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        this is Yura

                        And - not all, but in parts recourse ....It is what it is sad ...
                      46. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 17
                        Quote: retired
                        And - not all, but in parts

                        I would say the best and the underestimated wassat
                      47. +1
                        31 December 2014 03: 20
                        Quote: retired
                        And - not all, but in parts

                        Don’t be upset! Somehow they told me about some chicken. So, she carries eggs! But here you have to guess, specializes in gold, but they are very fragile. But if you chat it, then the usual drags. what
                      48. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 31
                        Quote: chehywed
                        ! Somehow they told me about some chicken. So, she carries eggs!

                        I heard too what He laid a chicken to his grandfather's testicle good Yes, not one but both to hell! am wassat
                      49. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 34
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        The chicken laid a grandfather egg Yes not one but both to hell!

                        She studied as a surgeon Yes . anyway...
                      50. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 37
                        Quote: retired
                        She studied as a surgeon

                        Pathologist but changed her mind and went into traumatologists laughing
                      51. +1
                        31 December 2014 03: 43
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        traumatologists

                        stop Disagree colleague! Tramotologist can also work in the balls Yes . But the buck after him still at least something still remains Yes ! But the flipper ..., pah, the surgeon after himself usually leaves an empty place sad ... I can say still lucky feel ...
                      52. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 45
                        Quote: retired
                        Tramotologist can also work in the balls

                        What would work for the balls do not have to be a doctor wink If I can replace a surgeon feel Contact good
                      53. +1
                        31 December 2014 03: 47
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        If I can replace a surgeon

                        Same. Dentist. Yes
                      54. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 49
                        Quote: retired
                        Same. Dentist

                        Well, to hell with you and the doctors? what laughing
                      55. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 55
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Well, to hell with you and the doctors?

                        Yes, of course Yes . but as I understand it, we are more to remove what ...
                      56. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 59
                        Quote: retired
                        . but as I understand it, we are more to remove

                        Not only can we also implant something what Scrap for example wassat
                      57. +2
                        31 December 2014 04: 04
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        implant something scrap for example

                        Vova from Arkhangelsk tries to implant everything with a knife ... You're a scrap ... what Angry you sad . I'll leave you recourse ...
                      58. +3
                        31 December 2014 04: 12
                        Quote: retired
                        You are angry sad. I'll leave you recourse ...

                        Well then, until 17:XNUMX on the first of January drinks
                      59. +2
                        31 December 2014 04: 18
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Well then, until 17:XNUMX on the first of January

                        Come on. drinks Thinking of getting around? what
                        Naive! Yes
                      60. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 51
                        even Vova seems to have gone to the wheel to cook for himselfsad. Do not find a colleague winked? Or yourself to the helm? what
                      61. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 54
                        Quote: retired
                        Vova seems to have gone to the steering wheel to cook

                        The padding between the steering wheel and the seat must be adequate. laughing By the way, we would also like what
                      62. +1
                        31 December 2014 04: 02
                        Lastly, read it. I yelled.
                        http://politikus.ru/articles/39249-spasti-ryadovogo-parasyuka.html
                        I do not care. I have no rights !! I'm finally allergic to a car. I travel as a passenger up to 10 km per year. And even more. This road is for me - that's already where!
                      63. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 22
                        Quote: chehywed
                        And I mean barbarism.

                        When the whole country is in a single rush ... frag ... BF..loson ... BLO and so on. ashamed old man revel in viskar. sad
                      64. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 01
                        Quote: retired
                        "fraga" is almost pure alcohol with (partially ess-nno) dissolved in it concentration glue and a suspension of alunda + vsk mud, which has been accumulating in tanks for decades... and we drank it

                        Hmm ... I really am "not from your house" ... No. Better to blow the "Colombian" ... Yes
                      65. +4
                        31 December 2014 02: 05
                        Quote: chehywed
                        ..I really am not from your house ..

                        Yes, maybe from our what just when you studied on it WE taught laughing
                      66. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 16
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        just when you studied on it WE taught

                        Nooooooooo !!!! that's for sure, then my couple of years can be crossed out am
                      67. +4
                        31 December 2014 03: 18
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        then my couple of years can be crossed out

                        Got it recourse Strike out request laughing
                      68. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 20
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        then my couple of years can be crossed out

                        2 years from the experience? belay fear God! request THIS - do not scatter Yes !
                      69. +1
                        31 December 2014 03: 32
                        Quote: retired
                        THIS - do not scatter Yes !

                        Well yes, yes ... THIS no ... what
                      70. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 32
                        Quote: retired
                        2 years from the experience?

                        Quote: retired
                        Strike out

                        That would be all your neighing))
                        Well, I have an open visor .., two years some letters .... but what drinks
                      71. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 09
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Better to blow the "Colombian" ...

                        A face-moral ?? am
                      72. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 21
                        Quote: retired
                        A face-moral ??

                        Exclusively bueno. Yes
                      73. +1
                        31 December 2014 02: 28
                        Quote: chehywed
                        bueno.

                        what Point your finger.
                      74. +1
                        31 December 2014 03: 14
                        Quote: retired
                        Point your finger

                        Easily good
            3. Aladin
              +1
              31 December 2014 00: 57
              Quote: studentmati
              Quote from gridasova: "People generally overestimate their abilities."

              In this case, they wronged the scientist in vain - during destruction, deformation and high-speed blowing, there is emission (of electrons of course), and dusty plasma flies behind them.
              A big example is ray craters (Moon, Mercury), a small example is armor-piercing shells. Very interesting physics and efficiency> 4 even on a tank gun.
          2. 0
            31 December 2014 00: 28
            Why should the flywheel not be monolithic? The whole rationale is in modeling at the level of magnetism. Then everything becomes clear exactly in the aspect that I presented earlier. Or how to create an anti-centrifugal force in order to spin a turbine at orders of magnitude higher speeds, which means to increase its performance or "thrust".
      2. 0
        31 December 2014 00: 23
        I explain. Thermoelectronic emission is when the current is such that there is a separation of the so-called. electrons from the end of the conductor along the motion vector of the applied current. Correctly? Field emission is when there is no EMF applied to this conductor. T, E, it moves in centrifugal rotation in such a way that its speed of movement along a smaller radius is less than the speed of movement along a larger radius. And accordingly, EMF arises in it due to the centrifugal force rotating this conductor. Well guys think the same. Do I really look like a dreamer or a liar.
        In general, friends, you can mathematically simulate such a situation when the speed of rotation along different radii can be the same. This is very simple, as well as doubling the cube. Or maybe you do not know how the proof of Grigory Perelman is applied.
        1. +2
          31 December 2014 00: 31
          Quote: gridasov
          Thermoelectronic emission is when the current is such that there is a separation of the so-called. of electrons

          Already wrong. Thermoelectronic emission is generally not related to current. Vika -Thermoelectronic emission (Richardson effect, Edison effect) is the phenomenon of the pulling out of electrons from a metal at high temperature.
          About so-called. of electrons- generally nonsense. In this case, I can call you the so-called. Gridasov, as a biological object, the properties of which are precisely determined by the "so-called electrons". Go - teach physics. First, master at least a course for technical schools, then you can move on to a course in physics for humanities universities. I do not recommend you to go deeper into the subject. You're going crazy. already - finally.
          1. 0
            31 December 2014 00: 35
            that's right! You cling to words. I'm trying to put it as clear as possible. But at a temperature where do your electrons go? They must also have a vector and energy potential. You’ll send me to teach physics again to insult to impossibility. I can do that too.
            1. +2
              31 December 2014 00: 39
              Quote: gridasov
              Will you send physics again

              I am sending Yes .
              And not only teach physics. winked
              Quote: gridasov
              your electrons. They must also have a vector
              -rave. Do you have a vector yourself ??
              Quote: gridasov
              energy potential.
              - again nonsense. If you find the term "energy potential" somewhere in the literature, I'll eat all my 47 published works.
              1. 0
                31 December 2014 00: 43
                Happy New Year!
          2. -1
            31 December 2014 00: 38
            And the last I basically do not use the model of modern mat analysis. Because it is only for low-grade physical. effects. High-potential processes must be analyzed differently. And I apply this model. Unfortunately, similar protein objects have to be explained in their language.
            1. +2
              31 December 2014 00: 56
              Quote: gridasov
              model of modern mat analysis.

              Note. This is not a MODEL. this is a device. The language of physics. If you don’t know how to use it, you are mute. Well, as an educated person, this is at least, but as a scientist, it’s so simple. Yes
              1. +3
                31 December 2014 01: 01
                Quote: retired
                The language of physics. If you don’t know how to use it, you are mute.

                Well stop smart fool Let's drink drinks Hi Guys hi
                1. +2
                  31 December 2014 01: 11
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Well stop smart

                  So I still did not begin !!
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Let's drink

                  Do you have any other suggestions at least sometimes ?? what But I agree. Yes Ruslan for you! drinks
                  1. +3
                    31 December 2014 01: 14
                    Quote: retired
                    in general, other proposals at least sometimes ??

                    Yes, drink it and pour it again laughing
                    1. +1
                      31 December 2014 01: 20
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      Have a drink and pour it again

                      belay
                      Modification means ... what Can you rebrand?
                      1. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 23
                        Quote: retired
                        Can you rebrand?

                        Drink-bite laughing
                      2. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 25
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Drink-bite

                        Logically ... sad
                      3. +3
                        31 December 2014 01: 29
                        Quote: retired
                        Logically ..

                        And you're all about physics recourseI decided before NG even to cut down cognac for two volumes of physics until the mother of your musician (his mother) sees it? laughing
                      4. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 42
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        I decided before NG also to cut down cognac for two volumes of physics

                        I gave today the task of diffura Yes . Did not check as it should request . worried what . The man of the 10th roofing felts, the 12th roofing felts for an exam with them sad . It’s as if: they themselves were to blame, they brought it late, but on the other hand, today I might not have been addicted to alcohol. From 12-00 local feel ...
                        By the way. EU fee in liters Yes .
                      5. +2
                        31 December 2014 01: 45
                        Quote: retired
                        I might not be addicted to alcohol today. From 12-00 local feel ...

                        By the same success, you could not get carried away with them from 13.00:14.00 and XNUMX:XNUMX local time. feel wassat
                      6. +1
                        31 December 2014 01: 49
                        Quote: retired
                        EU fee in liters

                        Are they paying you a strange cognac? what
                      7. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 16
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Are they paying you a strange cognac?

                        No. This is another gang .. Now I take tequila good !!! Tomorrow I’ll say what’s called. There is no way to pull ...
                      8. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 18
                        Quote: retired
                        . There is no way to pull ...

                        Wait a booby fool Through the neck .. through the bottom ... C sit now sober and with a straw laughing
                      9. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 36
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        C sit now sober and with a straw

                        Vintso = then I still have it! Yes
                      10. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 42
                        Quote: retired
                        Vintso = then I still have it!

                        you lower a degree? Exactly ..... laughing
                      11. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 51
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        you lower a degree?

                        Well ... What we have, then we have recourse ... Although I agree about the degree Yes ...
                      12. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 30
                        Quote: retired
                        Now I take tequila good

                        Yeah, but I still vilify, right?
                      13. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 33
                        Quote: chehywed
                        but I still ruler

                        Appointed? Be patient! smile
                      14. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 36
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Appointed? Be patient!

                        Hmm. Again double standards ... recourse Here from someone, but from you Ruslan, I did not expect this. recourse
                      15. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 39
                        Quote: chehywed
                        . Again double standards.

                        Rather double distillation what laughing
                      16. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 48
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        double distillation

                        A story from my life. About double distillation. Our department bought for offufting money a year ago in the 83rd redistillator. German. type - the whole installation, the center of which were 2 huge flasks, where in fact the distillate of affinity purity was obtained. We worked at the department of type 2. One is a laboratory assistant, the other is an engineer. They sometimes stayed on the night shift. So, they came up with a brilliant (as they believed) thought: to get the second (!!) purification moonshine on this unit. conceived - done. Download with a braga and began to drive moonshine in the night. The only thing they did not calculate is their own strength. when in the morning people pulled themselves up to work, 2 bodies lay in the room. and in styrene flasks a black substance ... I cleaned it for about 2 weeks ....
                        Or even more. what
                      17. +3
                        31 December 2014 02: 52
                        Quote: retired
                        A story from my life. About double distillation.

                        Listen! Isn't it about drinking from your life? what And then I feel that from the nursery there will be about fermented milk and as a nanny I drove a pillow down the corridor wassat
                      18. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 08
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Isn't it about drinking from your life?

                        There is. I worked part-time at a cryogenic station. more precisely, a friend asked me to replace him during the vacation. works not tricky - to drain liquid nitrogen. and so. we decided to freeze the alcohol. poured about half a glass of alcohol and poured liquid nitrogen on top ... What happened next - I remember NAVSEGLA. A completely normal explosion occurred. As a result: when, as newbie, the smoke cleared, there was nothing in the glass (you asked about “not to drink.” All the alcohol turned into an alcohol-air suspension and was evenly distributed throughout the room ... And wow! The CHEF came in. He immediately understood: they were drinking. We immediately began to explain to him that we were conducting a scientific experiment. With difficulty, but convinced. But when he drove into the essence, he laughed for a long time, and then began to explain to us: why we didn't to get frozen alcohol with such an experiment setup.Because I was a threesome and a tailed one, I didn't get into his explanation fool . Or maybe breathed what ? But after all: DIDN'T DRINK !!!!! Yes
                      19. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 15
                        Quote: retired
                        Or maybe breathed

                        Quote: retired
                        But after all: DIDN'T DRINK !!!!! yes

                        Ahh! Not licked so sniffed laughing
                      20. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 18
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Ahh! Not licked so sniffed

                        You are good today wink
                      21. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 24
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        You are good today

                        You have not seen me evil wink
                      22. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 54
                        Quote: retired
                        .I cleaned it for about 2 weeks ... Or even more what .

                        Smeared on bread? Pinned? feel
                      23. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 18
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Pinned?

                        Malado Chalawek !! For the installation of currency was paid !! The engineer was fired immediately. the lab assistant had been scourging for half a year, but they also didn’t forgive him ...
                        And so yes. recourse Shtyrilo Yes . I even put on a respirator request . the stink was first priority belay .
                      24. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 22
                        Quote: retired
                        I even put on a respirator in the first place. the stench was first priority.

                        I don’t understand Shoy, Yur, are you stern now ???? I’ve already got a bubble in PM good
                      25. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 25
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        I already have a bubble in PM

                        Amateur! negative I have already overcome a liter. True and had time to sleep. An hour 2.
                      26. +4
                        31 December 2014 03: 29
                        Quote: retired
                        I have already overcome a liter.

                        Now you will meet NG as a gift under the Christmas tree and wrapped in a carpet wassat
                      27. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 39
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Now you will meet NG as a gift under the Christmas tree

                        Those. propose to repeat your feat? what
                      28. +4
                        31 December 2014 03: 41
                        Quote: retired
                        propose to repeat your feat?

                        Hinting at solidarity wink
                      29. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 26
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        I’m in a bubble already have a good

                        I’m already one and a half after bringing home two cubic meters of firewood am Half a kilo of cognac, we persuaded my son-in-law even during the campaign for ... shorter
                      30. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 29
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        after bringing home two cubic meters of firewood

                        belay
                        Let me send you 3 buckets of coal what . He has a calorific value higher Yes . factor of. and then with your sciatica, as I understand it, the next cubic meter may be the last recourse ...
                      31. +4
                        31 December 2014 03: 33
                        Quote: retired
                        Let me send you 3 buckets of coal

                        And the grandson will dig out gifts from a heap of coal?
                      32. +3
                        31 December 2014 04: 07
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        And the grandson will dig out gifts from a heap of coal?

                        Let it grow as a miner fellow . The truth is, there you have a hard time in the swamp land with mines what ... will be a metro builder Yes .
                      33. +4
                        31 December 2014 04: 14
                        Quote: retired
                        ... will be a metro builder

                        Probably what With a shovel, he still copes well .... with a sapper bully
                      34. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 36
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        I’m in a bubble already have a good

                        I’m already one and a half after bringing home two cubic meters of firewood am Half a kilo of cognac, we persuaded my son-in-law even during the campaign for ... shorter

                        Eet. what are you doing there ??? you stop this felling stop
                      35. +4
                        31 December 2014 03: 39
                        Quote: DRA-88
                        you stop this felling

                        Right now fool Only the sting has grown to the right size and that's it? am Now only in January finish what the numbers of the 20th
                      36. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 45
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        you stop this felling
                        Right now

                        Calling Greenpeace Yes . But there is an option: 6l. brandy and they do not go to you feel . I agree? wink
                      37. +4
                        31 December 2014 03: 48
                        Quote: retired
                        But there is an option: 6l. brandy and they do not go to you

                        Quote: retired
                        . I agree?

                        agree good 6L of cognac to them And they go to you, meet the doctor am wassat
                      38. +2
                        31 December 2014 03: 53
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        meet the doctor

                        what
                        The doctor rides, rides through the snowy plain.
                        Healing lucky people powder.
                        The man and the cat will take the powder,
                        And the sadness will recede, and the longing will pass.


                        Zero - Doctor rides, rides ... - Lyrics http://megalyrics.ru/lyric/nol/doktor-iediet-iediet-dot-dot-dot.htm#ixzz3NQrtWyL
                        T
                      39. +2
                        31 December 2014 02: 35
                        Quote: chehywed
                        Yeah, but I still vilify, right?

                        Well, now not one. So it turns out what ... to myself request uncomfortable. recourse
                      40. +3
                        31 December 2014 03: 45
                        Oh, guys, it’s good with you, but you need to sleep a couple of hours. Today is a difficult day, smoothly turning into a difficult night. For now. Happy New Year!!! fellow
                      41. 0
                        1 January 2015 03: 55
                        Yeah, men! Nekhilo you chattered! wink Fingers are not bo-bo? .. lol They say that the bourgeoisie thought up a new crap, SKYPE the caller ... Didn’t they hear? Not? .. love
  15. +1
    1 January 2015 12: 25
    Quote: gridasov
    Without taking into account the processes of transformation of the distribution algorithms of magnetic force flows, not only in the total circuit, but also in its individual components.

    ... Having read the proposal, I swam away like cheese in the microwave ... What a TITAN OF THOUGHT appeared on the site! ..

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