Russia is once again losing Ukraine, having never found it ... it's time for Moscow to change its policy

Russia is once again losing Ukraine, having never found it ... it's time for Moscow to change its policy "... In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, the chairman of the supervisory board of the Institute for Demography, Migration and Regional Development, the leader of the Development Movement, Yuri Krupnov, said that the Russian elite had come to give up the illusions that there are pro-Russian leaders somewhere, even allies:


- We are in full swing towards the “gas war”, which I warned about earlier, including on the pages of KM.RU. There are no prerequisites that it can be avoided, and therefore the media are already lining up in combat ranks, they begin to broadcast statements corresponding to such cases. This is still the beginning. A full show in front of us will unfold, I think, in October.

In fact, besides gas as the main reason and the central theme, there is an even more fundamental problem - the very lining up by Russia of relations with the former Soviet republics, primarily the Slavic ones - Belarus and Ukraine. We see that there is an illusion that it is possible to completely control the neighboring states by purely economic methods, methods of economic imperialism and build on all our policies on this with an eye to the example of the United States and the European Union.

Of course, this is inadequate, since, on the whole, the theory of liberal imperialism, which Chubais advanced 10 years ago, is not only not practically achieved, but also shows its emptiness in a situation of real financial crisis. And if it is obvious that this model collapses all over the world, to organize it in the post-Soviet space is simply insane.

The problem is that the Russian Federation has no idea how to build the post-Soviet space at all. Hence, all kinds of fantasies appear that can be summarized by the term “pro-Russian president”, whether it applies to Belarus, Ukraine or Kyrgyzstan. Intense discussions begin, secret analytical notes are written with the layouts about which of the presidential candidates is “pro-Russian” or “anti-Russian”. This is an absolute psychological voluntarism that does not rely on any realities. In fact, these are fantasies and fairy tales that arise in the heads of responsible officials. But after some time there comes a natural disappointment when the next “pro-Russian” president begins to act, based on the realities of his independent state, and not from what our visionaries thought of.

In this case, we see that, in addition to all the gas issues and other contradictions in the economy and interpersonal relations, there comes a sort of "unexpected" surprise that, it turns out, Yanukovych is actually a pro-Ukrainian, not pro-Russian politician. And behind this, besides the general inadequacy and inability to put forward a project for the entire post-Soviet space, there is also what I call “Moscow nationalism” or “Moscow-Russian nationalism”, which, actually, ruined the USSR. Then, as we remember, it was the RSFSR that was the main initiator of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

And until now, a huge number of elite representatives consider it a great success that Russia managed to throw off its outskirts, that they can now be exploited in every way (through guest workers, financial and gas imperialism, etc.), but at the same time no need to bear any responsibility. I will point only to the recent performance (it seems, in the Rossiyskaya Gazeta) of actor Alexei Petrenko, who simply called Ukraine, the Caucasus and Transcaucasia “ballast” and approved that we had thrown him 20 years ago.

As for the words that Ukraine is not interested in the European Union, I can only say that this rhetoric is a logical continuation of the existing inadequate understanding of the issue under consideration, because even without this it is completely clear that Yanukovych does not need Europe, like Lukashenko. As well as Azerbaijan, where newspapers almost every day write about the country's imminent accession to the European Union. The question is not whether the president is “pro-Russian”, “pro-European” or “pro-Western”. A politician, once in a particular situation, acts on the basis of circumstances. This is karma, the fate of all politicians. And Russia should act as a power, and not as a meanie who robs the previously abandoned neighboring states.

From here come these conversations - “pro-Russian”, “pro-European” ... Forget! Pro-Ukrainian, Pro-Belarusian, Pro-Azerbaijani, Pro-Kyrgyz ... "
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  1. zczczc
    zczczc 4 September 2011 11: 17 New
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    He writes correctly - Russia does not have a program for reuniting the Union, but there is one desire to “moderate” the site.
  2. figwam 4 September 2011 11: 36 New
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    And what happened to Yanukovych, so dramatically change their relationship with Russia, precisely after meetings with the American side, calling Pindostana the main country in the world to be obeyed.
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 4 September 2011 12: 56 New
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      You see, you need to treat other leaders, not like algae. And here, as the peasant writes correctly, the attitude is literally like a vassal. They are afraid of this and just scatter.

      And there is the main question - why are they eager for the European Union and flee from us? That is the fundamental question. What is better for them there? It is necessary to understand, analyze and draw conclusions. In resolving this issue, a way to recreate the Union.
    2. Old Cat Basilio
      Old Cat Basilio 4 September 2011 13: 03 New
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      Figwam, READ this article CAREFULLY again! Any head of state who positions him as sovereign has ONLY his own national interests. And for the sake of compliance, he will maneuver between the "big uncles" in all possible ways. Otherwise, this is not a national leader, but the usual “six”.
    3. Marat
      Marat 4 September 2011 23: 16 New
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      I quote from the article - "Yanukovych is actually a pro-Ukrainian politician, not pro-Russian"

      So, no, he is not pro-Ukrainian - he is a protege of the oligarchs and is fighting for their economic benefits. Gazprom wants to control Naftogaz and the "pipe" - and those gentlemen are trading and so far these 2 groups have not bargained

      Plus, pendosy will never stand aside - they have a clear program - to prevent the revival of a new united state-state in the USSR. I am convinced that pendosy added "kerosene"

      We - ordinary people - have nothing to share - and because of the squabble of the oligarchs, we should not throw stones at ordinary Ukrainians. We must support any reunification tendencies and be against those who help the pendos disunite us.

      The two main troubles that happened during the collapse of the Union are the dismemberment of our common country - and as a result - the weakness and payment of the "tribute" of the United States (and we must support the reverse reunion) and the fact that the oligarchs seized power and national wealth (we must support the Communist Party as way of pressure on the power for the "reverse movement")
  3. Helmut
    Helmut 4 September 2011 12: 15 New
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    Rt Independent Little Russia was, is and will be the fifth column of Russians.
  4. atheist
    atheist 4 September 2011 12: 33 New
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    well, they don’t want and don’t need why the strong should bow to the weak, the Ukrainians want to get into Europe, but only through division into parts,
    we carried gas through the north, so they have nothing to offer until 2018
  5. gans
    gans 4 September 2011 12: 46 New
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    in Russia there are no more places where you need to invest money, everyone lives richly and therefore it’s just necessary to put kaklov on their necks and take care of their well-being. Give them modern weapons so that they can fight the Russian armed forces more effectively in the next thread
    1. Helmut
      Helmut 4 September 2011 13: 00 New
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      And how is Ukraine different from the Pskov, Samara, Moscow region? This is absolutely the same Russia. So do not post without thinking.
      1. makrus
        makrus 4 September 2011 14: 26 New
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        I don’t remember something that the Pskov, Samara, Moscow regions sent militants to Georgia or Chechnya
      2. gans
        gans 4 September 2011 14: 46 New
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        Patam Shta live there Bandera. Go to their forums and find out how they differ
        1. Helmut
          Helmut 4 September 2011 16: 21 New
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          makrus gans
          the so-called "Bandera" is a bunch of Russian zombies by the Bolsheviks / Austrians / Poles / Pendos who consider themselves a separate non-existent nationality called "Ukrainian". There are not so many of them. At the same time, Ukraine is full of Russians who are honest with themselves and who understand that they are Russian. So Ukraine = Russia, Russia = Ukraine. And when the Anschluss takes place, deukrainization will take a couple of decades. And all the strife of the Russians will be forgotten as a nightmare.
          1. gans
            gans 4 September 2011 19: 11 New
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            I agree in this, there are a lot of Russian people in Ukraine, I don’t know what should happen for us to unite. There, the Ukrainians almost started a war because of the island, I can imagine what will happen if we unite. It’s better to go to Europe the sooner you are accepted there, the faster you ruin it, but the fact that ruin doubts for some reason does not arise
          2. Owl
            Owl 4 September 2011 20: 17 New
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            In the winter of 1990, on the 4th year of the School, there was an internship in the troops, half of the company trained in Hungary (UGV), half PrikVO (Lviv, Mukachevo, etc.), the difference is colossal, in UGV everything is quiet, Magyars rejoice that UGV leaves, and with "zapadentsev" fights every night (tried to beat both officers, and ensigns and soldiers), it came to the killings of Soviet troops. Feel the difference.
            1. Helmut
              Helmut 4 September 2011 21: 30 New
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              Bandera and other "Ukrainians" are traitors, renegades, Judas, renegades of the Russian people. Ukraine Russian Kosovo. In fact, these are criminals and bandits. Here on the street you were attacked by a Russian robber by nationality, for example, yes, he is a bastard, but he remained Russian. So it is with Bandera, they are lost souls. Traitors inherently.
              1. Old Cat Basilio
                Old Cat Basilio 4 September 2011 21: 54 New
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                Honestly, dear Helmut, if, God forbid, the robber attacks me, then I don’t give a damn what his nationality (Russian, Ukrainian, Papuan, alien) is - I will get an “injury” and open fire to defeat. As for the so-called "Bandera", we will not forget that behind all these hunweibins there are certain political forces. And these boys, who showed themselves in Lviv on Victory Day - so, "infantry", consumables.
  6. keng
    keng 4 September 2011 12: 52 New
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    Spit on Ukraine, Belarus and others. They don’t want - do not. In the world of other countries, isn’t there anything with which to do business? It is only necessary to restore order in Russia, and no one wants this - it’s easier to live in the chaos of ugly people. When we restore order in the country, as in Germany, Finland, then we will be the world leader, abruptly than the Americans. Then they will respect and fear us.
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 4 September 2011 12: 57 New
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      What is the steepness? We can give them money, only they don’t want to come to us anyway. Read above, I wrote :)
    2. Banshee 5 September 2011 00: 39 New
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      What is it all of a sudden?
  7. kord1215 4 September 2011 13: 00 New
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    In the thirties of the last century, one politician said that the unification of Germany and Austria was necessary for the interests of the German people, even if it would not be economically profitable. As a result, the emerging empire almost became worldwide.
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 4 September 2011 13: 12 New
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      Still - Stalin then did not agree that we would feed Europe as a raw materials appendage. And now Putin himself is proving to everyone: "We are a reliable supplier of hydrocarbons."

      As they say, feel the difference ...
  8. dimarm74
    dimarm74 4 September 2011 13: 02 New
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    Serg32 case says ... that's for sure! There is no sense to the elite .. no associations to arrange ....
  9. mitrich
    mitrich 4 September 2011 13: 27 New
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    We start a wonderful, wonderful hohlosrach wink .
    For the seed: is it not time for Kiev to CHANGE its policy?
  10. cyberspace 4 September 2011 13: 48 New
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    Apparently, the author wants the pro-Ukrainian president to sit in the Kremlin.
  11. svvaulsh
    svvaulsh 4 September 2011 13: 58 New
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    If politicians forgot their ambitions and remembered that there is a people in their country, perhaps then we would begin to live better and would again become a united nation. Now, from the layman's point of view, the situation is as follows: from the side of the Russian Federation - to crush the economy of Ukraine (), for itself; from Ukraine - to receive free energy sources (not for the people, - for their oligarchs), without giving anything in return.
    As you can see, no opinion of ordinary Russians and Ukrainians is taken into account here.
    1. atheist
      atheist 4 September 2011 16: 03 New
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      one nation = 1 nation, this is almost impossible, but we can become one nation, but after all Bendera, Nazis, criminals, and other trash that prevent unification are killed in Ukraine
  12. greenk19 4 September 2011 14: 45 New
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    Once they drove away the Russians with the slogans "... return to your hungry Russia", now they praise fascism and attack veterans, and for a year they wag their tail in front of NATO and at every opportunity they spit towards Russia. Here he is - the Brotherly people. And for this he must be cherished and cherished. Let Krupnov get himself some kind of animal, so that it constantly crap in his bed, but let him kiss him for such acts in the ass.
    1. Igor Vladimirovich
      Igor Vladimirovich 4 September 2011 20: 16 New
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      Just do not pile everything. In Ukraine, and even in western regions, there are many citizens who do not approve and condemn both Nazism and the policy of co-leadership.
      1. Banshee 5 September 2011 00: 41 New
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        Yes, no one doubts this, I’m sure.
  13. dimarm74
    dimarm74 4 September 2011 14: 58 New
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    svvaulsh is right .... Only no one canceled these ambitions ... and the elites in their current form are not able to forget them ..... Ukraine is essentially a heterogeneous state, and the opinion of the west of Ukraine differs from the opinion of the east and south of Ukraine ... .. But do we really need the west of Ukraine ??? By and large, why do we need this?
  14. almost demobil 4 September 2011 15: 45 New
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    Old Man Lukashenko for the presidency!
  15. datur 4 September 2011 17: 26 New
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    (Russia should act as a power, and not as a meanie who is robbing neighboring states that he had previously abandoned.) ----. Pindos treat the world as their own lawn, the peoples living in this world as migrant workers obliged to work for the benefit of Pindos, and all this is hawala. when it comes to RUSSIA, we are vile imperialists, bourgeois and leeches-robbing our brothers. (and these brothers, at the first opportunity, start to shit on our heads). They say the West is a pancake altruists all for the good of mankind. They will give us a rupee of 1000 and if try to kick - democratization in the form of bombs on the head.
  16. kagorta 4 September 2011 19: 46 New
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    Belarusians (although Belarus himself, but I am a Russian citizen and I fully support the Russian Federation) gave their pipe, Ukrainians will also give it a question of time (if the price of oil (and therefore gas) is high, or the South Stream will be built at the end ) And then only Sevastopol as a measure of impact on us. And Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, within the framework of the customs union, need to develop their economies (and if it really works out, then the Ukrainians will stretch, and Ukrainians even earlier).
  17. Old Cat Basilio
    Old Cat Basilio 4 September 2011 19: 52 New
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    And why is it that today our “red” Jeanne d. Ark - solodova is not visible here? The audience is warmed up - young lady, go ahead !!!
    1. APASUS 4 September 2011 19: 57 New
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      Quote: Old Cat Basilio
      And why is it that today our “red” Jeanne d. Ark - solodova is not visible here?

      And you naughty boy! Give him the young lady!
      1. Old Cat Basilio
        Old Cat Basilio 4 September 2011 20: 33 New
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        And you, my dear, do not "poke", I did not drink cognac with you!
  18. Comrade
    Comrade 4 September 2011 21: 11 New
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    The clan oligarchic elite rules in Ukraine .... Do you think that the president is deciding something here? Have you seen the performances of Yanukovych? He reads on a piece of paper that they wrote to him in the presidential administration .... Here all power is concentrated only in the hands of the oligarchs ..... But they don’t need unification, they already feel good and beg for a discount on gas not for the people, and in order to fill their pockets even tighter ..... The internal conflict in society along the line of the west - east is artificially supported. If you really wanted to shut Bender’s mouth, we would have done it a long time ago ... but the authorities act on the principle: divide and conquer ....

    And the people all walk around and like a clockwork vote either for the oligarchic Regions, or for the frenzied nationalists ....

    So when the people finally become the real master in their land and in Ukraine and in Russia and cast off the yoke of the capitalists (and I hope that this will happen sooner or later), then we will revive the Union together and build our future together ....
  19. kagorta 4 September 2011 21: 48 New
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    Yanukovych is the same bug, for joining NATO has done more than what it was before him. And I got with Yulka. And the West is against and the tandem is against, and it is such a good idea to refuse contracts because they are not valid (since they are signed without authority).
  20. merkawa
    merkawa 5 September 2011 00: 15 New
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    Specific principalities appeared on the expanses of the former Union and now who in these principalities has no association and there can be no talk. Just in words, It doesn’t play a role here: Slavs, Kyrgyz, etc. The psychology of all is the same. It’s a pity that only the former people Union, but he doesn’t decide anything; they only use it when the elections and even then not always.
  21. Banshee 5 September 2011 00: 46 New
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    If you climb very high and look at two previously fraternal republics, and now independent states, then, oddly enough, you can find a lot in common. I would say Russia and Ukraine are twin brothers. The problems with power are about the same, the problems in power, too.

    Quote: Comrade
    The clan oligarchic elite rules in Ukraine .... Do you think that the president is deciding something here?


    You might think that we have something so different ... There are no “two big differences” here, as you would say in Odessa.

    Quote: Comrade
    So when the people finally become the real master in their land and in Ukraine and in Russia and cast off the yoke of the capitalists (and I hope that this will happen sooner or later), then we will revive the Union together and build our future together ....


    Here !!! But before that, and for this, it is necessary that 51% of the population think so ... Do not care what Russia, what Ukraine.