Heavy Armata BMP will give a new quality to the ground forces

122
The heavy BMP T-15 on the chassis of the Armata platform will give the ground forces of Russia a new quality and will be the envy of the military personnel of those countries that exploit the NATO equipment, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

It is believed that the ancestors of heavy armored vehicles for infantry are the Israelis who created on the basis of tanks T-54/55 own "Ahzarit". However, Russian military theorists in the mid-70s noted: "The use of BMP-1 has demonstrated that, with all the positive characteristics, the new class of vehicles has relatively weak survivability." This was later confirmed in Afghanistan.

“Unfortunately, neither in 80-ies, nor in 90-e, anything heavy armored in the arsenals of the Soviet Army has ever appeared. Although the work on heavy infantry fighting vehicles in the USSR was nevertheless conducted, ”the author writes.

Heavy Armata BMP will give a new quality to the ground forces
Heavy BMP based on T-72

For example, in 90 in Omsk, a heavy machine was developed based on the t-72. The developers reported that their "BMP-T is designed to transport troop personnel in the conditions of probable fire contact with the enemy and the landing of the landing force." The machine provided high protection and could operate in conjunction with tank units.

According to Vestnik, “the weight of the combat vehicle was to be 41 tons, crew - 3 people, troops - 7 people, weapons - 100-mm gun, paired with an 30-mm automatic gun and 7,62-mm machine gun”. The BMP was supposed to have a modern at the time fire control system with “with a thermal night channel of the gunner’s sight and a commander’s panoramic instrument”. The speed should correspond to the T-72 tank (up to 60 km / h).

Unfortunately, the development has not been completed. From it remained only a picture, but an explanatory text.

BTR-U

Other interesting work was carried out in Nizhny Tagil on a heavy BTR-U. According to some unofficial data, the base for it was to be T-90A. The information appeared in the network that "BTR-U with the front placement of the engine compartment will have increased security, a significant amount of equipment and weapons, as well as carrying capacity up to 49 t."

However, the former leadership of the Ministry of Defense considered the T-90A tank unpromising, after which work began on the interspecific Armata platform.



“Given the global trends, it can be assumed that the heavy BMP T-15, in addition to high protection of the frontal projection, the sides, has good protection against ammunition attacking from above. In addition, mine protection should increase, ”the author writes.

For this machine created a completely new combat module. According to the publication, “30-mm automatic gun 2А42 with ammunition in 500 ammunition (160 armor-piercing-snapping and 340 high-explosive fragmentation shells) are used as the main armament in it, the firing range is up to 4000 m.” A PKT machine gun (7,62 mm) with an 2 ammunition ammunition is paired with a cannon.

“The fire control system of the module has enhanced capabilities for automatically searching for targets simultaneously in different spectral ranges in passive and active mode. With the help of an optical locator it is possible to search for masked targets. The crew of the BMP can conduct simultaneous shelling of two targets, including from an automatic cannon at aerial targets using an automatic accompaniment, ”the agency’s stated characteristics of the developers.

As previously reported, these cars must take part in the Victory Parade in 2015.
  • vestnik-rm.ru
Our news channels

Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

122 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Crang
    +13
    24 December 2014 14: 58
    First, give us the T-14 tank. Primarily. BMP then to hell with her. You can do it later. And what kind of picture is this T-15? Who drew? The "Armata" has a semi-support chassis.
    1. avg
      +12
      24 December 2014 15: 08
      That's for sure. We have not seen the wrong thing, but we are already talking about a new quality.
      Recently, by the way, the article was that Armata does not fully comply with the declared performance characteristics, while at the same time surpassing the price.
      So, it’s better to wait for the cars, and then talk about a new quality. Many remember how they previously believed that the BTR-60 attacked in the same chain with the infantry, but then had to be pushed back. Then it was believed that motorized rifles on an infantry fighting vehicle attack together with tanks without rushing, life also corrected ... Yes, there were a lot of things. Waiting for ... request
      1. +11
        24 December 2014 15: 42
        Quote: avg
        at the same time surpassing the price

        But after all, they have repeatedly said that piece production is never cheap. Problems and inconsistencies are detected and eliminated in the process of small and even batch production.
        Here's how easy it is to identify a person who is not associated with production, and even more so with engineering. laughing
        1. +1
          24 December 2014 16: 53
          I just thought to myself, like soldiers are going to attack the BMP, and what are they doing? Nothing, they sit and wait until they arrive. And if you put 4 or 6 machine guns on top of the car (well, like in a tank, anti-aircraft guns), with control from the inside, each soldier will be able to shoot at the enemy in the process of "just driving", to protect the car from grenade launchers. Probably not weak firepower will be. Moreover, it almost does not take up the internal volume, only an LCD screen and probably a "Cheburashka" for controlling a machine gun. Of course, it will be more expensive and the car will look like a hedgehog, but it seems to make sense, because the protection is circular, 4-6 pairs of eyes armed with machine guns - there will be excellent protection. Even if the machine guns are only 7,62 and that is normal, but if 12,7 is generally a class. And the look-aheads can be put at just 14,5.
          1. The Art of War
            +3
            24 December 2014 17: 16
            It covers the front of the BMP, let’s say the Bahcha combat module, on the sides there are loopholes, say 3 on each side, it will be more convenient if the fighters are back to back. I looked at the pictures) the last picture reminded the module like that of the Berezhok BMP. what I figured on Bakhcha to put ATGMs and a grenade launcher on both sides like on Berezhka. The T-72 and T-90 can be the basis of a heavy IFV if the crew is protected like the tank itself is super, do not forget about the Arena and take into account the weight and fuel consumption.
            1. +6
              25 December 2014 00: 42
              The main problem of the airborne shooters is that they will not only fall into someone there, but they will not even see a fig, because in a car in motion terribly shakes and jumps.
              Does everyone need their own OMS? The golden BMP is underway. Even for the s with their huge military budget.
          2. +4
            24 December 2014 17: 22
            Then what's the point for them to get out of there?))
            After all, firepower from several infantrymen will be clearly lower than from several machine gunners.
            The result will be an armored personnel carrier or a tank support vehicle, this is a more expensive weapon class, and inexpensive BMPs will still be needed ... And the professionalism of ordinary soldiers may not be enough to fulfill the functions of a tank machine gunner.
            1. +7
              24 December 2014 17: 39
              In addition to firepower, it is still necessary to occupy the borders. So mother infantry is needed here.
              1. +1
                24 December 2014 21: 41
                We would like to develop autonomous combat systems for the front line, redeem it in the likeness of an uninhabited tank tower or armored personnel carrier with an intelligent fire control system. I drove the driver, the button on. pressed and let the border guard or the front line hold wassat
                1. +2
                  25 December 2014 00: 44
                  Yeah, but the enemy took and drowned out all the radio frequencies and you lost control of your terminator))))
                  And even better - he blasted tactical nuclear power supplies for your terminators and the EMP of all terminators will turn off permanently.
            2. +5
              24 December 2014 22: 25
              Quote: bootlegger
              Then what's the point for them to get out of there?))

              And, most importantly, what is the point for them to sit there at all, if BMPT with gunner operators will be much more effective for joint work with tanks, and not a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, "pregnant" with infantry inside, which will be ballast before dismounting, and the heavy armored personnel carrier itself, with using it in conjunction with tanks, and it will turn out to be this "mass grave" for the entire landing force in case of its defeat. What then is the meaning of this "heaviness" of the APC / BMP? Shooting through loopholes and, in general, infantry fighting "from under armor" is very dubious and ineffective. Thick armor, even tank armor, is not a panacea for the destruction of a vehicle, which will entail not only the death of the crew, but also the landing. A heavy vehicle loses its service life, maneuverability, stops swimming, becomes more expensive, and so on, for the sake of the dubious temptation, to have armor protection commensurate with a tank one, but why, if it has no place in the first line? Well, okay, there are stocks of old tanks, you can use them for alterations, so it’s better to convert them into BMPT. Heavy infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers are not so much needed by the army as by the internal troops for anti-terrorist operations. They would not be smart with the "Armata", they would have long ago had the T-95 in the troops, and on its base BMPT or these coveted heavy infantry fighting vehicles. They wanted to save money, but spent even more money, lost time, but the product still turns out to be expensive and not for conscripts (all that the T-95 hailed). The trouble is that first you need to have a clear military doctrine, for what kind of war we create equipment, who is our potential enemy, but it seems that this awareness is not, or we are preparing for "anti-terrorist" wars with terrorist fighters, forgetting about modern armies. the same NATO, Russia's own expanses, which will have to defend.
              1. 0
                25 December 2014 12: 36
                respected! you tell about this past Chechnya (especially the New Year's Grozny)
          3. +4
            24 December 2014 18: 00
            Quote: crazyrom
            only an LCD screen and probably a "Cheburashka" for controlling a machine gun.

            Each LCD monitor needs its own video cameras, its thermal imagers, its matching devices for external monitoring devices and LCD monitors, and some other little things. Plus machine gun control systems, which are located inside the case. No! Loopholes are much better for action during the day. It seems to me.
            1. +3
              24 December 2014 22: 49
              Quote: Hedgehog
              No! Loopholes are much better for action during the day. It seems to me.

              Have you ever looked through a loophole in an infantry fighting vehicle, fired?
              There you can get into someone only by chance, just at random.
              And if you make more of them, it is not yet known who will be easier to get into, in the landing, or in those who are outside.
          4. +4
            24 December 2014 19: 58
            A new infantry fighting vehicle, a new tank, new robots (it is generally not clear what is meant) - yes, I was waiting with less trepidation during my wedding than I was waiting for May 9, 2015.

            Py.sy. the wife would have seen this statement am
          5. +5
            24 December 2014 20: 52
            You've probably never been inside a tank. There is simply no place in the fighting compartment for everything you want. There, the crew cannot even switch places. And on the technical side - the turret with the cannon turned back and demolished all these machine-gun anti-tank superstructures. You must choose what is more important and more important: machine guns with grenade launchers or a tower with a cannon and one machine gun.
            1. 0
              25 December 2014 13: 00
              I categorically agree with the opinion of a specialist.
            2. 0
              25 December 2014 13: 00
              I categorically agree with the opinion of a specialist.
          6. +1
            25 December 2014 00: 40
            How do you imagine installing several uleutnyh installations with stabilizers and electron-optical observation devices? This is a minimum of 4 machine gun installations, panoramic thermal imaging sights for them, electric plane stabilizers, FCS for each and LCD monitors for each operator ???
            How much will all this mandula cost? )))))
      2. +1
        24 December 2014 17: 15
        A heavy infantry fighting vehicle with good armor protection is primarily a lot of saved soldiers' lives, which is an important factor.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. +2
        24 December 2014 18: 01
        Quote: avg
        That's for sure. We have not seen the wrong thing, but we are already talking about a new quality.

        In Nizhny Tagil there was a closed show for the military, that's why they are talking about a new quality, and we are discussing
      5. +2
        25 December 2014 01: 56
        Recently, by the way, the article was that Armata does not fully comply with the declared performance characteristics, while at the same time surpassing the price.

        All developments so start nothing surprising. and not only with us. Everywhere abroad, the same thing. You can’t plan absolutely everything. They will work and go into the specified parameters. Not the first time
    2. +1
      24 December 2014 15: 08
      They will give it only in May 2015, and then until 2017 they will not show it.
    3. -1
      24 December 2014 15: 10
      It seems that everything is still behind.
    4. +2
      24 December 2014 15: 16
      It was planned on the T-95 and T-99, seven track rollers - which incidentally experts attribute to the minuses of these tanks. There was infa that armata will be with six
      1. 0
        24 December 2014 16: 03
        The T-14 "Armata" and the T-99 "Priority" are the same, as far as I remember.
        1. +1
          25 December 2014 18: 27
          Something like this:







          Object 640 - aka "Black Eagle" with GTE 1500, if I don't confuse anything
    5. sergey261180
      +35
      24 December 2014 15: 21
      Quote: Krang
      Who drew? The "Armata" has a semi-support chassis.

      No, the "Armata" has an electro-magnetic drive, without friction, like in the trains of the future. The crew is separated for better protection and sits at home using the internet. The engine is X-shaped, it knows how it works, but it is very powerful, most likely on "cold fusion", complies with the "EURO-5" standards. Armed with "boring" ammunition - will take out the brain of any enemy. lol
      Or did you see her? what
      1. +1
        24 December 2014 16: 34
        Yes, what kind of engine is there7 There are blacks with pedals in the MTO and a magic whip by the driver !! If we go to extremes, so to complete schizophrenia !! wassat
        1. +1
          24 December 2014 17: 31
          Well-protected infantry fighting vehicles have long been needed by our aircraft.
          1. +2
            24 December 2014 21: 06
            If you make a well-protected BMP, then you get a tank again. Before the 2-th World War and tanks had weight 20-30 tons. The war showed that thick armor was needed. We need a powerful gun, we need a powerful engine, we need a lot of shells and an automatic loader. Need dynamic and active armor. The turret with the gun should rotate 360 degrees. And BMP, as in a fairy tale from a frog, turned into an 70-ton TANK-Strakhiladzu.
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. 0
          24 December 2014 17: 41
          Colleague, be politically correct. Not blacks, but African Americans. And then the above "partners" will be offended and they will be covered with hysteria.
          1. +2
            24 December 2014 19: 08
            You can't say "blacks", this is racism towards them, you need to say "our blacks, fat-lipped, curly-haired brothers" (you can't say "Japanese" ... you need to say "our short, narrow-eyed, yellow-faced, bow-legged brothers", etc. .)
          2. Portoss
            0
            25 December 2014 00: 08
            We will be politically correct! African Americans in America - the rest are blacks!
      2. -1
        24 December 2014 20: 59
        No, the "Armata" has an electro-magnetic drive, without friction, like in the trains of the future

        This is a joke, I guess.
    6. -1
      24 December 2014 15: 26
      Krengu
      If you know something, do not rush to voice it, after all, it’s a state secret.
      1. +1
        24 December 2014 15: 47
        Quote: Father Nikon
        If you know something, take your time to voice it,

        Information on the number of rollers has been running for a long time, in the public domain.
        This is probably one of the reasons for the absence on the site of a person directly related to the development of this technique. Long gone. And it is right. Although he did not voice anything.
    7. 0
      24 December 2014 16: 04
      The main losses in Iraq from aviation were, therefore, a heavily armored infantry fighting vehicle is relevant only with complete air superiority!
      1. 0
        24 December 2014 17: 38
        Quote: Civil
        heavily armored infantry fighting vehicles relevant only with complete superiority in the air!

        Heavy BMP is relevant with complete superiority in everything. Against shepherds with Kalash.
        1. +2
          24 December 2014 17: 49
          Quote: robinson
          Heavy BMP is relevant with complete superiority in everything. Against shepherds with Kalash.

          And not vice versa?
          1. +3
            24 December 2014 18: 34
            Quote: Spade
            And not vice versa?

            What does the opposite mean? To rush to helicopters on such a thing? Or how?
            There was something like a debate on this topic with colleagues from Israel. Heh. Despite the fact that they always have the best by their very definition, why really no one could justify such a prodigy to a foot soldier.
            The infantryman, first of all, is the very carrier, of the very eggs that determine the captured territory over which they hang.
        2. 0
          24 December 2014 21: 11
          Heavy BMP is relevant with complete superiority in everything. Against shepherds with Kalash, but without grenade launchers. And it’s like at a shooting range, he got up, took aim, shot and again in the grass or trench. A heavy infantry fighting vehicle burning coffin.
    8. 0
      24 December 2014 17: 36
      The load is less (7 people of the landing), so they suggested that there will be a six-point support.
    9. 0
      24 December 2014 20: 41
      But on the Internet there is not a single reliable image of Almaty. Who draws 6 rollers, and someone - 7 rollers.
    10. +1
      24 December 2014 21: 52
      Quote: Krang
      First give us a T-14 tank. Primarily. BMP then to hell with her. You can later.

      - the author of the note has already reclassified the "Armata" in the BMP, and you mean the tank. It will be called the main tank, then the platform, and now the BMP. what And the suffering raced on the chatters of the Internet. Don't overestimate expectations! Upset may occur if the preliminary information is not correctly perceived. For a "new platform", a lot of crackling noise is somehow pumped up. What is the platform? Something common for a tank, an engineering vehicle (tractor, bridgelayer, barrier vehicle), self-propelled BM gun (howitzer, mortar, flamethrower), chassis for military air defense equipment (Pantsiri-Tunguska-Buki), well, etc. Shturmy, ... ........

      BMP with a landing force behind powerful armor, but with light weapons? Reduce the firepower of the tank to accommodate more and ride those who want to get the most thrill? A tank is a tank, and an infantry fighting vehicle is primarily a conveyor! One requires firepower and maximum protection for the crew, another roomy, and mine defense, and the third needs more space for large ammunition, etc. If it’s a platform, then for everyone it’s a chassis, an engine, maybe means of a PC.
    11. 0
      24 December 2014 22: 07
      I feel that on May 9, 2015 there will be a real defile of our armored forces, as in the best fashion houses. besides the fact that a parade of military equipment will pay tribute to the fallen on the battlefields, they will also show at least three new items: the Armata tank, the Kaolitsiya-SV self-propelled gun, and the BMP T-15 armored vehicle. I don’t remember that so many new products would be shown at once ... there will be a sensation that designers have never even dreamed of!
      1. 0
        25 December 2014 22: 34
        why would I have a minus? for the fact that Russia dictates "fashion" in the world of tank building? for the fact that we have the best tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, aircraft? why can't we have a "fashion show" at the parade? where will our equipment be the best models? Believe me, WE WILL BE ALIGNED WITH US! FOR OUR "FASHION" IN THE PRODUCTION OF WEAPONS! Russian girls are the most beautiful. we have a taste. there is, thank God, a gene pool that is not only beautiful, but also smart! otherwise we just wouldn't have survived!
  2. StrateG
    0
    24 December 2014 14: 59
    Increasingly, references to Armata slip. Set the stage?
    1. Bombardier
      +6
      24 December 2014 15: 02
      Quote: StrateG
      Set the stage?


      Excuse me, what is the soil prepared for? and why should it be cooked?
      A strong opinion is created - when such topics are dropped on the website and people are busy in picks and fortune-telling at the coffee (and not only) thicker.
      1. StrateG
        0
        24 December 2014 15: 05
        Informational preparation for a surprise ... for example.
        1. +3
          24 December 2014 15: 22
          Quote: StrateG
          Informational preparation for a surprise ... for example.

          And we are schoolgirls to faint from such surprises.
      2. +1
        24 December 2014 15: 50
        Quote: Bombardier
        people are busy in picks and fortune-telling at the coffee (and not only) thicket.

        These notes are more needed by the site owners. It is called "website promotion". The more attendance, the better
  3. +1
    24 December 2014 14: 59
    Heavy Armored infantry fighting vehicle will give a new quality to the ground forces /
    She will give it, where without it, but she also needs a new light infantry fighting vehicle, how will we overcome water barriers?
    1. sergey261180
      +2
      24 December 2014 15: 28
      Quote: svp67
      but we also need a new light infantry fighting vehicle, how will we overcome water obstacles?

      What does BMP-2 or BMP-3 not like?
  4. +2
    24 December 2014 15: 00
    We look forward to May 9th. Really do not deceive smile
    1. Crang
      -4
      24 December 2014 15: 07
      Quote: nicolay338
      We look forward to May 9th. Really do not deceive

      If they deceive us, we will run together to beat Shoigu's turnip.
      1. +6
        24 December 2014 15: 15
        Quote: Krang
        If they deceive us, we will run together to beat Shoigu's turnip.
        This is not Shoigu. while Rogozin is still responsible ...
      2. sergey261180
        +2
        24 December 2014 15: 27
        Quote: Krang
        If they deceive us, we will run together to beat Shoigu's turnip.

        They didn’t fill Serdyukov, so at least we will win back for Shoigu? laughing
      3. +8
        24 December 2014 16: 12
        Quote: Krang
        If they deceive us, we will run together to beat Shoigu's turnip.

        Pffff ... if they cheat - run together to keyboards: whining in the blocs and on the forums. laughing
  5. +1
    24 December 2014 15: 01
    According to Vestnik, “the weight of the combat vehicle was to be 41 tons, crew - 3 people, troops - 7 people, weapons - 100-mm gun, paired with an 30-mm automatic gun and 7,62-mm machine gun”. The BMP was supposed to have a modern at the time fire control system with “with a thermal night channel of the gunner’s sight and a commander’s panoramic instrument”. The speed should correspond to the T-72 tank (up to 60 km / h).
    -----------------------------
    Shaw then looks like a T-55 with an amphibious squad, according to its characteristics ... For the time being, TK is quoted, but we will see live what it is ...
  6. +3
    24 December 2014 15: 03
    A heavy infantry fighting vehicle is really needed, since lately the infantry firepower of both our and potential opponents and a machine that can fight almost nearby, and sometimes ahead, destroying long-term firing points are just what is needed for infantry.
  7. The comment was deleted.
  8. +3
    24 December 2014 15: 04
    "Will give", "should" - when will they be using these terms in the present tense?
  9. +1
    24 December 2014 15: 06
    Now there is a showdown in the upper layers of power: Armata turned out to be very expensive ...
    1. The comment was deleted.
  10. +1
    24 December 2014 15: 07
    all teases of infection .... one eye would see ... a ride ... yes shoot ... yes, yes .... and the keys to the apartment too .... smile
  11. 0
    24 December 2014 15: 08
    So where is he going to have an engine? At least they said it already!
    1. 0
      24 December 2014 16: 10
      Quote: ilija93
      So where is he going to have an engine? At least they said it already!


      At the tank - behind. The BMP should be in front, but no one has yet seen a tank chassis to talk about its alteration in the forward position of the MTO.
  12. Tribuns
    +1
    24 December 2014 15: 12
    In May 2015, at the Victory Parade, dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany, we must see the long-awaited "beauty" - BMP "Armata" ...
    We hope and wait!
  13. Ibrahim Botashev
    +2
    24 December 2014 15: 12
    Good news, but we would first see "Armata". I want to believe and I believe that this tank is really strong.
  14. +1
    24 December 2014 15: 12
    Do they laugh, or what? On a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, who will hold almost all existing ammunition - a 7,62-caliber machine gun? This is chickens to laugh.
    1. +18
      24 December 2014 15: 24
      Here I found such an alleged appearance of "Armata", how real it will show only the 2015 Parade:
      1. -1
        24 December 2014 15: 50
        Quote: quilted jacket
        I found this supposed appearance of "Armata"

        One to one it is only necessary to put on the launch tower from the "Buk" and the parade will succeed.
        1. +5
          24 December 2014 16: 00
          Quote: mark1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          I found this supposed appearance of "Armata"

          One to one it is only necessary to put on the launch tower from the "Buk" and the parade will succeed.


          Apparently you know exactly her appearance, just do not want to tell us lol
          1. +1
            24 December 2014 16: 45
            Quote: quilted jacket

            Apparently you know exactly her appearance, just do not want to tell us

            Unfortunately, I don’t know the appearance, alas, but I know for sure that such a look will satisfy the Arab sheikh or the green boy because, due to the abundance of various ISA, it is devoid of any logic and does not correspond to the previous descriptions (if only because the rollers in Figure 7 and the tower in terms of dimensions looks more like a habitable one)
            But you don’t know, but tell everyone.
            1. +2
              24 December 2014 17: 06
              mark1 Today, 16:45 ↑
              Unfortunately, I don’t know the appearance, alas, but I know for sure that such a look will satisfy the Arab sheikh or the green boy because, due to the abundance of various ISA, it is devoid of any logic and does not correspond to the previous descriptions (if only because the rollers in Figure 7 and the tower in terms of dimensions looks more like a habitable one)


              Well, you mark1 do not criticize the video of this alleged appearance of the tank - but you are a fool.
              So they would have written not so much rollers as "necessary" and a cannon with a machine gun is not there.
              And you start to taunt.
              But you don’t know, but tell everyone.

              And what am I saying this that I do not know?
              If you are talking about a tank, then I wrote clearly, if you do not understand, read it again.
              ..... the alleged appearance of "Armata", how real it will show only the Parade 2015
              I do not claim in this phrase that he will be exactly like that.
              This is only an assumption, and even then not mine.
              1. -1
                24 December 2014 18: 24
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Well, you mark1 do not criticize the video of this alleged appearance of the tank - but you are a fool.

                This picture wanders from comment to comment a hundred times everything has been said, but probably it was necessary to really restrain myself - please do not be offended
              2. +1
                24 December 2014 22: 01
                Most likely this is the basic prototype of "Armata", an intermediate link, so to speak, for debugging mechanisms, or for developing a concept
            2. +1
              24 December 2014 20: 59
              Quote: mark1
              and the tower in terms of dimensions looks more like a habitable one)


              What place is it inhabited? what
              1. 0
                25 December 2014 08: 42
                Quote: Victor-M
                What place is it inhabited?

                With such dimensions, a pair of blacks will fit freely.
            3. -3
              24 December 2014 21: 25
              Quote: mark1
              the tower looks more like an inhabited one in terms of dimensions.

              If the automatic loader fails in battle, then this scrap metal is not worth more than one ruble. Therefore, the tower should always have a place for the loader, even if it is not needed in a real battle. Due to one screw or nut, the tank becomes unsuitable for combat.
              1. +1
                25 December 2014 08: 40
                Quote: Алексей_К
                Therefore, the tower should always have a place for the loader, even if it is not needed in a real battle.

                and what is the point then of all this "garden"? There is a place for the loader, then the loader must be planted in the tower. In general, how do you imagine in practice moving a crew member from a capsule to a tower under fire?
              2. 0
                27 December 2014 23: 56
                Quote: Алексей_К
                If the automatic loader fails in battle, then this scrap metal is not worth more than one ruble. Therefore, the tower should always have a place for the loader, even if it is not needed in a real battle.

                Hmm, what if our modern T-72 or T-90 AZ fails? So you can agree to the point that everything needs a direct manual drive - they’ve also been installed on the tank, otherwise the engine will break down in battle ...
            4. 0
              27 December 2014 21: 47
              Quote: mark1
              if only because the rollers in Figure 7

              But you can’t imagine it - there are really 7 of them now! hi And you still don’t have fun - the tower really should be uninhabited !!!
              Py. Sy. My advice is - before you say something, first read the information that is on this project ...
      2. -1
        24 December 2014 17: 54
        Nonsense. This is not Armata. This is a 3D model created based on the BMPT model from Motovilikhinskiye Zavody
        1. -1
          24 December 2014 21: 29
          I agree with you. The control department, where the tank operators are located, was promised to be made quick-moving and made as a separate module. On all Internet drawings and videos this is not at all.
        2. +1
          25 December 2014 18: 48
          Quote: Spade
          Nonsense. This is not Armata. This is a 3D model created based on the BMPT model from Motovilikhinskiye Zavody


          Lopatov, do you also know exactly how the "Armata" will look like?
          Surely not. So why are you rushing words here-Nonsense, modelka.
          Let's wait for the parade and see everything for ourselves, it is quite possible that this "model" is not so far from the truth.
          In any case, it was made by people who know about "Armata" more than you.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. 0
        24 December 2014 20: 27
        Cool looks would rather see in the metal, hear the clatter of tracks and the roar of the trainer! good They imagine how the Western press will explode when the armata passes along the Red Square.
      5. -1
        25 December 2014 00: 44
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Here I found such an alleged appearance of "Armata", how real it will show only the 2015 Parade:

        If you recall what the 195 Object looks like:

        Where the stasis shows that outwardly it will resemble a Korean K2 or a Japanese Type 10. Adjusted for an uninhabited turret, with pretty decent negative depression angles of the gun (as a "tanker" I appreciated that, yes :)
        And the unit in the video has a wider and lower case, which resembles a hybrid of the T-90 and Abrams. Tower ... perhaps I will not say anything. In general, the author fashioned a model from what he liked. Ignoring the layout of the 195 Object, where some dimensions of the x-shaped engine hint that the feed will not be so low.
        1. +1
          25 December 2014 11: 49
          Quote: luiswoo
          If you recall what the 195 Object looks like:

          In the first photo you have American experimental art based on the abrms, and as for the T-95, this is really a tall machine - here is his photo from the landfill.
        2. 0
          25 December 2014 11: 53
          As for the appearance of the armata, it is usually taken from this model -
          1. 0
            25 December 2014 11: 54
            Picture not uploaded
            1. 0
              25 December 2014 20: 08
              In the first photo you have American experimental art based on the abrms, and as for the T-95, this is really a tall machine - here is his photo from the landfill.

              I am glad that the second picture did not raise questions.
              As for the appearance of the armata, it is usually taken from this model

              Well, or from the 195 Object:
    2. +3
      24 December 2014 16: 16
      Quote: Basarev
      Do they laugh, or what? On a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, who will hold almost all existing ammunition - a 7,62-caliber machine gun? This is chickens to laugh.


      The inhabitants of the Promised Land (they have the same weapons on TBTR-ah) have already answered this question for us - so that the crew does not get carried away and does not go into battle. Type of weapon - only for self-defense.
      It is unlikely that this applies to infantry fighting vehicles, I think of machine-gun weapons as they say in application to armored personnel carriers.
    3. 0
      25 December 2014 00: 51
      Make a tank of the BMP does not work.
  15. +1
    24 December 2014 15: 31
    the information is zero. it’s just a topic for discussion without any specifics. first you should test it properly and unify it with the rest of the products and then give the troops a test. And only after that you can state what you promised and expected from us. Or we laughed, the car is very wet.
  16. +3
    24 December 2014 15: 42
    Minus article from me. As I wrote before - I will deny all articles about armature until I see with my own eyes what the super-duper of the secret was there. wassat
  17. 0
    24 December 2014 15: 56
    In general, heavy infantry fighting vehicles are needed in limited quantities, this is a dead end branch. Armored cars are needed, they are most effective in urban battles. A breakthrough in the trenches, this is outdated, will not be in the current conditions of trench defense. This is shown by events in Ukraine, in Iraq, Libya. Only mobile connections armed with ATGMs, IGLs, machine guns and snipers are now relevant.
    1. Andy1111
      +9
      24 December 2014 16: 02
      everything is exactly the opposite. heavy BMP just needed in the building. a powerful cannon - to knock out Akhmed with a land mine that has sat down in a neighboring hut with a PC or RPG. powerful protection - for the probability of a machine being hit by anti-tank and small-arms weapons in the city increases significantly.
      1. +1
        24 December 2014 16: 36
        I have long been proposing for urban battles to have a special vehicle, as armored as possible, with all types of DZ and KAZ, one gun so that it has a high-explosive mine, AGS and a 30-57 mm gun with a maximum elevation angle so that the enemy could be cleared from the upper floors, and since the battles will be in the city, the weight is of secondary importance, to book as much as possible, so that with all the defenses it would withstand dozens of hits from RPGs and ATGMs (from the BOPs the second question, there it is much less common than a cumulative weapon). and preferably remotely controlled so that the crew does not sacrifice.
        1. +1
          24 December 2014 17: 42
          Quote: just explo
          and preferably remotely controlled

          Hand face (as they say on the Internet) !!! I just imagined: a mechanic sits in the bushes and rolls the joystick, and in the landing, the heroic foot soldiers keep blows from RPGs and ATGMs!
          1. -2
            24 December 2014 21: 52
            This is still fantastic. I agree with you. A man on the battlefield perceives the environment better than sitting in the bushes. And where to get these bushes on the battlefield, in the offensive everyone digs forward, the bushes also need to be made moving. Example: The enemy retreats and does not believe his eyes: Hans, look, what is Otto? Bushes! We just were in these positions and there weren’t any bushes! Hans - again, you, Otto, have gathered, charge come on, fire.
        2. 0
          24 December 2014 21: 42
          In the city, infantry fighting vehicles and tanks can only be used in conjunction with infantry and artillery. This is an experience of urban battles in the 2-th World War. The city of Grozny reminded some boasters from Russian generals that without such tactics, all tanks would be burned.
      2. +1
        24 December 2014 17: 39
        Quote: Andy1111
        the likelihood of a machine being hit by anti-tank and small-arms weapons in the city increases significantly.

        God be with her, with the car. What about infantry? Or will the infantry be more comfortable behind thick armor in the city?
      3. +1
        24 December 2014 17: 47
        Protection from RPGs will not save, but it’s better to smoke a tank, it’s more adapted, and in the BMP there’s still a landing that interferes, and if you land it, it’s better to tank.
        1. 0
          24 December 2014 22: 10
          If the Arena complex is installed, it will save
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. 0
      24 December 2014 21: 37
      Well, of course you invented it yourself - this is your opinion and good. But even the militants in Chen always dug in, defending themselves from the feds. In defense, when means of war are limited, trenches and dugouts are a means of saving people. Lying in the open, you are a wonderful target, they will simply train you for those who still shoot poorly.
    4. 0
      25 December 2014 01: 00
      What are armored cars, comrade? The error of your words was checked back in the 30s during the Spanish Civil War.
  18. soldier of Russia
    +6
    24 December 2014 15: 58
    A heavy infantry fighting vehicle is crucial for the preservation of motorized infantry, especially when operating in cities. It may actually be logical to use for its creation a little outdated, but mobile and most importantly numerous T-72s, which by the way are very difficult to dispose of, i.e. dissection and remelting due to multilayer armor. Why not adopt the extremely successful experience of the Israelis?
  19. +1
    24 December 2014 15: 58
    What the article is about is not entirely clear to me. It seems to be the beginning of the platform, but not a word about it ??? The picture from "UT" does not quite fit with the technological applications in the text. A NEW IDEA about a 30mm cannon and a twin PKT is just plain disrespect for the audience. Electronics, even native-made, is not an achievement, but a necessity.
    At the expense of "Akhzarit" - they are without fish, as well as because the armor of T-55 and higher simply does not melt in the furnace, so they used it to scrap metal, but what about mine clearance machines (they carry trawls well). There is almost no information about the combat use of this akhzarik ... And in the end, we are talking about the PLATFORM, judging by the title of the article, but again it turned out to be an advertising reminder - so that they would remember and watch the parade.
  20. Andy1111
    0
    24 December 2014 15: 59
    The pictures are funny of course .. Why post this myth-making that has nothing to do with a real platform with 7 rinks ??? What would it be at least?
  21. +2
    24 December 2014 16: 11
    Armata yesterday, today an electric-powered robotic fighting vehicle with electromagnetic suspension and armed with a 5 mm mm railgun-armed caliber is already relevant. 120 mm plasma blasters as an anti-aircraft weapon. the headquarters of the Russian army, while supplementing it and making the necessary adjustments based on the experience gained. It is capable of acting alone or as part of a unit.
  22. 0
    24 December 2014 16: 15
    Again, sharing the skins is not like an unkilled, even unprecedented beast. Nobody not only TTX, even the appearance of Armata did not see (except, of course, dedicated). And already the spears break what is there and how, based on some rumors. Patience, citizens, patience. They will show the car, then the fun begins. And so there is no point in kicking ..
  23. 0
    24 December 2014 16: 30
    During the time that we are waiting, the troops are receiving "x ... kilometers" of modernized / restored equipment.
    As a result, there will be one and a half companies "Armat", different types, for parades and exhibitions ... sad
  24. 0
    24 December 2014 16: 33
    How are they going to protect the MTO, located in front of the car, from hitting from above? This is a paradise for a gunner and missiles with a thermal imaging guidance method. Stupidity is utter.
    1. -2
      24 December 2014 21: 56
      So the Jewish tank Merkava is arranged. It is believed that this is not my opinion that Merkava is the best tank in the world. I have a bad opinion about Merkava.
  25. 0
    24 December 2014 16: 37
    http://warfiles.ru/show-76499-kitay-prismatrivaetsya-k-rossiyskim-armatam.html
    and what you don’t like the mixture of beech and tank in this article generally say the mixture with t50. so who minus that pesimist
  26. 0
    24 December 2014 16: 45
    And what about t90 ms Breakthrough? I really liked this tank
    1. -1
      24 December 2014 22: 00
      Quote: Linkor9s21
      And what about t90 ms Breakthrough? I really liked this tank

      He practically did not participate in large wars. And it is not known how he will fight. The KV-2 was an absolutely awkward tank. And the German tigers tried not to engage in battle with him. If they did, it was only from an ambush at close range.
      1. 0
        25 December 2014 01: 03
        When all KV-2s were destroyed and abandoned, the Tigers still did not exist in the metal. So here it is.
  27. 0
    24 December 2014 16: 46
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Here I found such an alleged appearance of "Armata", how real it will show only the 2015 Parade:

    everything would be fine, but on some images the layout seemed to me back.
    there is too little space for the front.
    as an example of merkava http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLzRnEgCOXM
    1. 0
      25 December 2014 18: 53
      Quote: Evrepid
      Quote: quilted jacket
      Here I found such an alleged appearance of "Armata", how real it will show only the 2015 Parade:

      everything would be fine, but on some images the layout seemed to me back.
      there is too little space for the front.
      as an example of merkava http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLzRnEgCOXM


      Personally, I think that it will be the back one (it’s the tank, the BMP will most likely have the rear). The front location of the MTO is exclusively the way of Israel.
      They have a specific tank designed for punitive operations against partisans.
  28. +2
    24 December 2014 16: 59
    People, and it doesn’t seem to you that we are a bit snickering? Could we imagine that with such regularity we will discuss new technology.
  29. +1
    24 December 2014 17: 11
    Maybe to save expensive shells and large-caliber rounds, it would be worth adding a quick-fire turret under a cheap round - against single targets - infantry / drone / equipment.
    For those purposes for which it is a pity and unprofitable to spend base BC.

    Such an installation can be additional - put-removed. The range of fire is small, but the density is comparable to a combat LASER (although a spread is needed). If you think carefully, it is not forbidden to automate the work to shoot down ATGM and air-to-ground missiles according to their "portraits" in the target database in the control program.

    Let's say - a shot from an RPG towards ARMATA. The panoramic camera (s), together with the radar, detect the frame-by-frame "portrait" of the shot available in the database. The first is detected and allocated for processing exactly flying at high speed and exactly towards the car an object. The rest of the cases are eliminated. An object that has got into processing on the basis of "speed + direction" is captured by the camera and recognized by the template - a round object with a halo of gases, taking into account the light-shadow options. The turret receives the coordinates of the current position and the given one and eliminates their difference along the smallest trajectory, goes into "ready / waiting". Further, the control environment calculates the available distance between the object and the center of coordinates (machine), the speed of the object and its deviation, then gives the go-ahead to the electric trigger, choosing the required trelba pace and lead in THIS CASE.
    A curtain.

    + economy of the "ARENA" system, which is protected as a safety net for cases of fire in poor visibility and precipitation.
  30. 0
    24 December 2014 17: 12
    It would be nice if it is equipped with a 57 mm machine gun.
  31. +6
    24 December 2014 17: 34
    If interested: TBTR Namer based on Merkava-4,
    back view.
    The rear wall and door withstand a direct grenade shot from an RPG-7.
    1. 0
      24 December 2014 22: 05
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The rear wall and door withstand a direct grenade shot from an RPG-7.

      Knowing this, you need to shoot at the tracks. After that, surround the stationary tank and shoot from different sides. You can burn and Merkava.
      1. 0
        24 December 2014 22: 51
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Knowing this, you need to shoot at the tracks. After that, surround the stationary tank and shoot from different sides. You can burn and Merkava.

        A tank and especially an infantry fighting vehicle will not go without infantry support, so surroundings will not work just like that, and as for a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, this concept is currently relevant.

        PS It is interesting to send a comment from Comrade Professor on this matter, otherwise I remember in the last article on the topic of "armata" he actively insisted that "armata" is supposedly just a tank, but here it is - a heavy infantry fighting vehicle ...
    2. 0
      25 December 2014 01: 05
      Can it really withstand the tandem? ))))) No, maybe the ancient PG-7V grenade can withstand this door in 50% of cases, I don’t argue ...))))
  32. +2
    24 December 2014 17: 35
    Another photo behind
    1. +1
      24 December 2014 20: 42
      oooh ... and before. before where
  33. 0
    24 December 2014 18: 34
    Quote: crazyrom
    I just thought to myself, like soldiers are going to attack the BMP, and what are they doing? Nothing, they sit and wait until they arrive. And if you put 4 or 6 machine guns on top of the car (well, like in a tank, anti-aircraft guns), with control from the inside, each soldier will be able to shoot at the enemy in the process of "just driving", to protect the car from grenade launchers. Probably not weak firepower will be. Moreover, it almost does not take up the internal volume, only an LCD screen and probably a "Cheburashka" for controlling a machine gun. Of course, it will be more expensive and the car will look like a hedgehog, but it seems to make sense, because the protection is circular, 4-6 pairs of eyes armed with machine guns - there will be excellent protection. Even if the machine guns are only 7,62 and that is normal, but if 12,7 is generally a class. And the look-aheads can be put at just 14,5.

    yes this is a bmp chimera imperial guard from warhammer! look bmp chimera
    1. -1
      24 December 2014 22: 07
      Quote: Archon
      yes this is a bmp chimera imperial guard from warhammer! look bmp chimera

      Correctly noticed - game fiction.
  34. -3
    24 December 2014 20: 00
    So the Germans will install on their Leopards 2 a new 140 mm gun turret and their new dynamic defense and Armata's cry.
    1. -1
      24 December 2014 22: 10
      Quote: Vadim237
      So the Germans will install on their Leopards 2 a new tower 140 millimeter gun and their new dynamic defense and cry Armata

      Historical experience has shown that multi-tower tanks are destroyed more easily than single-tower tanks. This is the dead end of tank building.
      1. 0
        24 December 2014 23: 02
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Historical experience has shown that multi-tower tanks are destroyed more easily than single-tower tanks. This is the dead end of tank building.

        It meant installing a new tower instead of the old
        1. 0
          26 December 2014 10: 17
          Quote: Albert1988
          It meant installing a new tower instead of the old

          As it is written in n-Russian: "... the Germans will install a new tower on their Leopards 2 ..." is ambiguous, as I understood. If I had written "Leopard 2" in quotation marks, then I would have understood it differently, not "... 2 (second) new tower".
    2. +1
      24 December 2014 23: 05
      Quote: Vadim237
      So the Germans will install on their Leopards 2 a new 140 mm gun turret and their new dynamic defense and Armata's cry.

      And what will prevent the installation of a new module with a 152mm cannon on the "armature" - you know, its modernization potential is much higher than that of the old German cats, which will creak and groan from the new tower with a 140mm cannon, and then - how the loader will turn 140mm shells? But there were attempts to put 140-taste on both abrasha and Leo ... and they all failed ... as one ...
      1. 0
        12 March 2015 22: 59
        Well, this is you in vain ...
        according to reviews and all reports, the engine in 1500 horses strangled to 1200.
        MTU Leopard 1500 and do not seem to strangle him.
        and it’s planned to have more weight than the armata, so I think the trolley will withstand a more powerful gun.
        What we haven’t put right now, we don’t know exactly why ... but the words of open sources ... OBS ...
  35. Vovan - prison
    +2
    24 December 2014 20: 07
    No, well, you guys agree, well, our army needs normal military equipment! If so, then by and large our designers have quite a lot of groundwork in storehouses !!! If someone thinks that our military designer was sitting and didn’t do anything while there was a collapse and devastation was going on! Yes, and no one was denying money ... Any trouble occurred with our country ... But this does not mean that the military -designers didn’t do anything! They created a lot of operating time! Well, no one wanted to finance in order to release these developments! Now the time has come and all these military developments will be released! Somewhere with improvements and somewhere ready for production! And yet it has only just begun. And then what’s going on, they are trying to put sticks in the wheels, especially pi-do.-sta-n. sanctions for what we want to provide for ourselves! am and their angry and their sanctions am in krakalyg !!! bully
  36. 0
    24 December 2014 21: 43
    The article in photo No.2 shows a prototype of a heavy armored personnel carrier BMPV-64, developed by the Kharkov BTRZ:
    http://alternathistory.org.ua/tyazhelaya-boevaya-mashina-pekhoty-bmpv-64-ukraina

    This was recently on the site. Why so stupidly substituted.
  37. 0
    25 December 2014 04: 11
    For this machine created a completely new combat module. According to the publication, “30-mm automatic gun 2А42 with ammunition in 500 ammunition (160 armor-piercing-snapping and 340 high-explosive fragmentation shells) are used as the main armament in it, the firing range is up to 4000 m.” A PKT machine gun (7,62 mm) with an 2 ammunition ammunition is paired with a cannon.


    Well, where is the brand new here? Armament as in BMP-2.
    In addition, we have heavy armored personnel carriers - the BTR-T, although it is not in service, as far as I know, but the BMO - the combat vehicle of flamethrowers - is quite a heavy armored personnel carrier.
  38. 0
    25 December 2014 13: 21
    our designers are not fools, they will come up with a heavy armored personnel carrier, a matter of time and money.
  39. 0
    25 December 2014 18: 49
    And I would like to first read the concept of the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. They come up with technology, but they don’t know who, where and how to apply.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"