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Russian ships "joined" NATO

Russian ships "joined" NATO



More recently, Russian shipyards and shipyards have raised the alarm that total underfunding by the state and "calm" on the sea of ​​orders are forcing many employees to look for more "bread" places to work. In this regard, many enterprises in this industry were either closed or sold privately to businessmen who converted them into factories for the production of cans, dishes and other things, far from the Russian fleet. Today, the situation with government orders has turned 180 degrees. So the management of enterprises received so many orders for the construction and repair of military and civilian vessels that they will be enough for the next ten years of the most intensive work. According to the new Russian tradition, in this case, factory managers suddenly grabbed their heads and announced that they were unlikely to be able to absorb such a large amount of resources due to a lack of qualified personnel and worn-out equipment. Here everything is like in a joke that our peasant is at least a drought bad, at least a big harvest. So officials of the Ministry of Defense pondered how to solve such a problem. And it seems that there is money, and even what money, and the desire to earn money from the people has not exhausted, but here is where to collect those people who can build and repair so many ships. And our admirals came up with the idea that it would be better if some ships were sent for repairs to Bulgaria. As they say, "abroad will help us."

It is worth a little stop at this very abroad. If someone perceives Bulgaria almost as a continuation of Russia, a fraternal state that is asleep and sees how to be closer friends with Moscow, then this is not quite so. Well, to be lexically accurate, it’s better to say: not at all. Bulgaria has long been a member of NATO. Its troops take part in various operations as part of the Allied shock groups of the Alliance. And if we talk about the deployment of missile defense in its territory, the Bulgarians are unlikely to refuse. It was in this country that military ships from Russia were sent for repair.

Here comes the following remark: is it possible later on to use these ships in battle if a potential enemy knows all their “cracks”, as sung in a famous song. The answer, I think, is understandable even to a schoolboy ... Everything is like how a hare that broke a leg resorts to treatment in a wolf's den. What can happen to him there is obvious to everyone. Of course, military officials say that these ships will not be involved in long hikes, and military officers will be trained for them. Like, well, let NATO know where we have the latrine, and where the galley ...

The Bulgarian ship repairmen, of course, repaired everything as it should be. Claims to present them meaningless. The main thing is that in this small country there were immediately found both qualified specialists and equipment, which in Russia was simply impossible to do.

The situation for an ordinary person looks just paradoxical. The huge state, which positions itself as a superpower, does not have ten thousand pairs of workers to realize the funds provided from the state budget. If so, then what kind of modernization, then we can even talk about. It is not clear what our factories are designed for then, if they are not able to “pay up” a couple of ships. Maybe they, too, go to the production of cans and lids - there is no need for seven spans on the forehead.

Many were still wondering why, they say, we buy several Mistrals from the French — we cannot build our own ships. As it turned out, not only can not, but do not want to. If there is money, then let NATO build everything for us ... You can even pay the Americans to stop considering us as a potential enemy. Why? - The idea, I think, is quite in the spirit of what is happening with our “defense industry” today. Either we lack money, either mind, or everything together. And in order to have enough of everything, you can buy everything from the Chinese: disposable corvettes, unsinkable plastic submarines - “maid in tea”.

Here you can really talk about the fact that the power is insulting ...
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  1. Max79 3 September 2011 10: 23 New
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    The m ... daki themselves are to blame. I also worked at the factory at one time, though not at the military, but it is not so important. When they delay their salaries and pay little, who will work there. They all went to the markets, etc. .d. And I’ve seen specialists ... Monuments should be erected for such specialists. Miracles could work on such ancient equipment. When at the factory there are several bosses for 1 worker ...... They themselves are to blame ....
    1. alex-defensor 8 February 2012 19: 09 New
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      Well, I don’t think that warships will be sent there, but supply ships, service ships and others - they can. It is a pity of course money, but what to do.

      Production and capacity in the country must be revived.
  2. CARTRIDGE
    CARTRIDGE 3 September 2011 12: 15 New
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    Targeted sabotage of the country's defense. Soon we will purchase all the equipment abroad!
  3. nnz226 3 September 2011 12: 37 New
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    And how did you want ??? If in the shipbuilding industry it is still possible to recruit welders who "hacked" at construction sites, although they will need skills in welding ship steel, but where to get the level specialists, the master, the head of the site, the builder ??? there is nothing to do there without special education !!! And where did the last 20 years go graduates (formerly of the Leningrad Shipbuilding Institute) and now SPbMTU ??? The only university in Russia preparing qualified personnel for the shipbuilding industry ??? This university itself was finishing, I know what I’m talking about ... But they went anywhere except shipyards and factories. Old cadres retired, middle-aged (who could now form the core of engineering) ran away from lack of money in the period mentioned above, and new ones did not come at all. So Zh.pa arrived when the work came to a halt. And you can recruit graduates, but they still need to develop practical skills, but time does not wait ...
  4. Old Cat Basilio
    Old Cat Basilio 3 September 2011 12: 46 New
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    Well, why did the author dissolve the snot? The photo shows the training ship of the 1st rank "Perekop" pr. 887 built in 1976 (by the way, Polish built). And if he went for repairs to Bulgaria - what is the damage to the country's defense? All the major shipyards in the Black Sea remained in Ukraine - it also seems to be abroad. So the Bulgarians took cheaper. By the way, in Ukraine, shipbuilding and ship repair in such a pen that ours and dreamed of.
    1. Foamas 3 September 2011 19: 52 New
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      The Smolny training ship was sent for repairs to Bulgaria (Varna), this was a year ago (04.07.10. Left Kronstadt) the end of the repair was in August 2012.
    2. aleks 26 September 2011 15: 44 New
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      So, load them to the eyeballs and you will see fewer problems with the Black Sea Fleet. They built ships no worse than the French.
  5. fedor
    fedor 3 September 2011 13: 55 New
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    Dear Cat Basilio.
    1. Judging by the first word "Old", you are over 60 ... and you are familiar with ship repair and the reasons for placing the Navy's supply vessels for repairs in Bulgaria, you are aware.
    2. Warships in Bulgaria were not repaired and will not be repaired. The author of the article palm off the DESU website.
    3. The ships of the Russian Navy are not deployed at shipbuilding and ship repair enterprises in Ukraine, primarily for political reasons, of course, the factories in Ukraine are weakened, but there is enough skilled working class there and there is enough equipment to repair the current composition of the Navy.
    1. Old Cat Basilio
      Old Cat Basilio 3 September 2011 16: 10 New
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      Good afternoon, dear fedor, thanks for the comment.
      1. On the first point, I do not agree with everything, I am 51 years old. everything else is true.
      2.. Completely in favor.
      3. I would like to know what they are currently surviving for: the Zeriv Kerch plant, the Sevastopol plant named after Ordzhonikidze, Feodosia factory "Sea"? By the way, on our Vympel (Yaroslavl region, Rybinsk) there are many Ukrainian guest workers (for God's sake, do not be offended) with the Sea in the part of metal billet for assembly of buildings. And yet, at all three plants I visited + Nikolaev UTZ.
      1. APASUS 3 September 2011 18: 42 New
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        Quote: Old Cat Basilio
        Feodosia factory "Sea"

        I was at the factory two years ago! The state is depressing!
        1. Old Cat Basilio
          Old Cat Basilio 3 September 2011 19: 00 New
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          That's the whole damn thing!
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 10 February 2013 23: 46 New
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      Quote: fedor
      Of course, the factories in Ukraine are weakened, but there is enough qualified working class there and there is enough equipment to repair the current composition of the Navy.

      To recall three (!) Attempts to repair the only submarine in Ukraine by domestic plants? As a result, they managed to repair it at the 13th shipyard in Sevastopol, which retained the Russian authority. But there is an absolutely standard project, no special bells and whistles

      And "Sea" is now completing an order for China, and so it lives on. The rest of the hard workers from there to the same China under a 5-year contract left
  6. Comrade
    Comrade 3 September 2011 19: 30 New
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    Always, everything will fall apart at first, and then they will catch it, and it’s too late .... and it doesn’t matter what it is about - kindergartens or defense enterprises .... sad .. ((

    And as for the Chinese, the author should not be ironic - they have not had “disposable” ships and not “plastic” submarines for a long time .... And, unlike the Russian bureaucrats, they had enough mind to buy an aircraft carrier from Ukraine, ready for 70% at the price of scrap metal ....
  7. kagorta 3 September 2011 19: 50 New
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    And the fleet of Chinas is built systemically and logically, even with their secrecy. And soon our Pacific Fleet will have nothing more to catch.
  8. fedor
    fedor 3 September 2011 20: 51 New
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    Friends, I agree, the Sea plant in Feodosia and the other SSP and SRH of Ukraine are in a deplorable state. I had in mind the potential of these enterprises, and it is not small. There would be orders. You yourself understand why today SRZ No. 13 in Sevastopol, owned by the Black Sea Fleet, is idle, and repair orders are given to Bulgaria.
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 4 September 2011 11: 23 New
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      Fedor, but tell me, if you have information, how many ship repair enterprises were under the Union now? Acting.
  9. dimarm74
    dimarm74 4 September 2011 12: 56 New
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    There is nothing surprising ..... they themselves are already really incapable ... And how much is interesting this year the Navy will surrender ships? And how much should have been according to plan?
    1. Old Cat Basilio
      Old Cat Basilio 4 September 2011 13: 10 New
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      And you, dear dimarm74, contact the ordering Navy command, there they will give you detailed help (if you ask well)!
      1. dimarm74
        dimarm74 4 September 2011 13: 18 New
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        Yeah ... they will give me a feeling .... they will catch up and still add ... all kinds of certificates
  10. dimarm74
    dimarm74 4 September 2011 13: 24 New
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    Laughter, laughter, but real affairs are deplorable ...... And the state program of GVZP-2020 really and half will not be fulfilled .... at such a pace ..... if you build one ship in 5-7 years ..... The situation is pain resembles the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century ..... The same thing ..... "Varyag" and "Retvizan" amers built over how many years? And our shipyards based on the French "Tsesarevich" similar ships built for 5 years ....
    And how did it end with such a mess? Tsushima .....
    1. Denis 8 September 2011 17: 58 New
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      Yes, some 3,14dores passed without armored shields on the guns, but the same took
      And then the "rollback"?
  11. Denis 8 September 2011 17: 55 New
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    Alas, such a magical and liberalistic word “rollback” appeared, that’s all
  12. Aias
    Aias 26 February 2012 12: 24 New
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    the escort ship is far from standing in the photo!
  13. Gonoriy 10 February 2013 23: 10 New
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    The problem is not where the ships go for repairs; it is because they are not being repaired in Russia. It's just criminal.