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A sober look at Russian weapons




The arms race seems to be somewhere behind, but talking about the balance in the field of modern military technology does not go away from the mouth of both specialists and quite ordinary people. This year, possibly due to the fact that the cost of the military budget was theoretically increased several times, at various exhibitions and during the presentations new items of domestic military developers were demonstrated. By the way, the word “theoretically” came up not by chance, because, as you know, in Russia, any adopted law does not mean at all that all its main points will be executed precisely and on time. Often, it can be heard on television screens that public sector wages will be increased by a certain number of percent, military personnel will be provided with housing until the beginning of next year, but later it turns out that all this turns out to be interpreted in a different way. That reason is the sabotage of local authorities, the open-minded populism of politicians, and even that all together.

So the Russian army seems to be arming itself at a very solid pace. At one of the recent exhibitions, a new kit for a special unit soldier was demonstrated, the fighter of the PAK FA series almost flew into the MAKS-2011, the new T-90C will be shown to Vladimir Putin in Nizhny Tagil the other day. In theory, one should rejoice in such progress by the army, but for a close-up of enthusiasm a closer look at the situation does not always contain prerequisites.

To begin, let us touch on all the same protective kit, which was romantically called "Permyachka." This “Permyachka” is essentially not the fact that a new type of military equipment of a fighter, and even falls under the section of production plagiarism. The French military have already found in the Russian Permianka features that are very similar to their design, which is already used by the tricolor army of Mr. Sarkozy. And, indeed, in designing the costume, either the principles “borrowed” from the West were used, or it was our developers who decided to “invent the bicycle” independently of others. In general, be that as it may, the fact remains that “Permyachku” cannot be considered something truly outstanding from the point of view of security or armament. And the question of when this military kit will go to military units and directly get to the fighters, while only open. Some people call 2013 a year, others push it back to 2015, others just don’t undertake to predict, because any modernization forecast in Russia may run into unintended difficulties.

At the August presentation in Zhukovsky, when the promising T-50 fighter with partial stealth technology did not take off at the right moment, they again spoke about the crisis in the Russian defense industry. It’s not even the fact that the pilot had to shut off the engines due to an emergency situation, the fact is that the plane reminded someone of the “novelty” many years ago. Experts in one voice began to say that the T-50 is practically “written off” from the Su-47, which, in turn, was developed for many years and is also morally obsolete. If T-50 is really a descendant of this fighter, then we can state the situation of complete stagnation in the Russian production thought. Whether the aging galaxy of aircraft designers of Russia has "written out", or simply these people want to get a certain income, spending a minimum of strength, talent and funds. If the first is confirmed, then we are threatened with the inevitable reforming of the system for training engineering personnel for the military industry, and if it is the second, then all this is more like the use of allocated funds, to put it mildly, not quite as intended. It is just the same as if you were paid to invent a new refrigerator, and you would take an old one, change its shape a bit and give a massive presentation with an enchanting advertising campaign. In principle, most of the world's new products appear exactly on this principle.

But in the case of such an approach to the development of the defense complex, one can begin to forget about full-fledged competition with a potential adversary. You can generally lock yourself in each one in his garage and “invent” his own views. weaponsBy altering everything that had already been created. But, as you know, how many do not alter the engine, its resource still remains the same. It is necessary to change the approach to the creation of competitive weapons.

The tendency to use old equipment or its inappropriate modernization can provoke a situation in which our “defense industry” will become a world laugh. If only twenty years ago, a rare person allowed himself to make jokes about domestic weapons, today jokes about “new” Russian developments are already being circulated.

A recent series of accidents with spacecraft launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome confirm that all is not well in the military space industry. It turns out that even the change of the head of Roskosmos did not help, and everyone thought that it was precisely the head of the space department who specifically “sawed” the legs of the missiles ... We were very lively discussing the American problem with Shuttles and were proud that our “Progress” is reliability itself. But time makes us rethink the situation. The United States is already close to creating new ships that will be equipped for space flight, while we still don’t understand how it is our missiles, the principle of which are already hopelessly outdated, suddenly began to fall like pears under a hail.

I would like to hope that the recent incidents with the Russian military and space technology will force us to look at the modernization of the industry with a really sober look.
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  1. ZEBRASH
    ZEBRASH 3 September 2011 08: 04 New
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    That's right, unfortunately sad
    1. slan
      slan 3 September 2011 09: 38 New
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      How?!
      The T-50 as a refrigerator is decommissioned from the Su-47, and the “perm” has the features of a French bicycle design?))
  2. classicist2001
    classicist2001 3 September 2011 08: 53 New
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    “Experts unanimously began to say that the T-50 was practically“ decommissioned ”from the Su-47, which in turn was developed for many years and is also obsolete. If the T-50 is really a descendant of this fighter, then we can state the situation of complete stagnation in the Russian production thoughts. "
    Author-- throwing noodles on the ears. How can the T-50 be decommissioned from the Su-47 if the Su-47 is a plane with a reverse sweep of the wing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83-47. The author heard a ringing, but does not know where he is from. The Su-47 is now used as a flying laboratory, which worked out some solutions for the T-50, which is absolutely normal practice in the global aircraft industry. As for the "Perm", then all interested parties can look at http://twower.livejournal.com/622007.html#cutid1. Even if they took something from the French Eagle Owl, they did it right. The lag must be eliminated by all possible means and as soon as possible. God forbid that even in the army began to supply.
    1. Smirnov Vadim 3 September 2011 09: 04 New
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      I will ask strong words, even slyly veiled (which I have already deleted), not to use in the future.
      1. Banshee 3 September 2011 09: 25 New
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        Wow!!! Live moderator !!!
        (stood at attention, took under the visor!)

        I won’t do it anymore, I promise (this was not the topic, I repent, it’s my fault). :)))))
      2. classicist2001
        classicist2001 4 September 2011 03: 42 New
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        I apologize, the ignorance of the article greatly outraged.
  3. Banshee 3 September 2011 09: 03 New
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    Yes, obviously not there ... The author deigned to fart in flour. Y. Of course, not a specialist in aviation, but where they wrote off the T-50 from the Su-47 is not clear. Offal? For God's sake! Outwardly, sorry, two big differences ...
    Who thinks, enlighten ... can I not catch up with what?
    1. Varnaga 4 September 2011 00: 14 New
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      That's right, the article is by no means, the argument is below the plinth. It also touches me that "sober glances" are placed on half a page. facepalm
  4. slan
    slan 3 September 2011 09: 35 New
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    Is the author of the article accidentally not a blonde? Another explanation is hard to find.
  5. danilatrg 3 September 2011 10: 36 New
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    The author should conduct his own analysis. Less than your opinion and your prejudices. More logic and technical facts. Then there will be no idiotic statements that the T-50 and Su-47 are the same aircraft.
  6. APASUS 3 September 2011 11: 09 New
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    Most likely, the author wanted to show our backwardness in military development. The system itself began to fail and hence the endless modernization of weapons models. Also, the author forgot to mention that for almost 20 years our defense industry has been spinning as best as possible and that it has remained afloat - a great miracle ! But if our state does not begin to invest in research and development, then unfortunately we really have to purchase Western weapons and the issue of sovereignty will be open!
    1. slan
      slan 3 September 2011 12: 53 New
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      In short, it was enough to print the title, and that in our military-industrial complex badly everyone is happy to think out for the author themselves))
  7. ZEBRASH
    ZEBRASH 3 September 2011 11: 45 New
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    As for the similarity of the Su-47 and T-50, of course, bust. He is very similar to the Raptor. But the "Perm" is probably based on the "Eagle Owl". Well licked, put the duck on arms. But nobody will know whether there will be purchases or not. It’s at least in special forces, but it’s probably not going to reach ordinary soldiers.
    1. Old Cat Basilio
      Old Cat Basilio 3 September 2011 13: 23 New
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      He is very similar to the Raptor.
      In fact, the laws of aerodynamics are the same throughout the world. The author did not say anything about avionics, weapons, and TTGs of the gas turbine engine, however, this is understandable, the plane is undergoing flight tests. Well, especially not to hell moan that everything is copied. And by the way, who are these "experts" who unanimously carry all kinds of nonsense?
      As for the "obsolescence" of the principle of the device of our missiles, then let me say that the principle of their device was invented by the ancient Chinese!
    2. slan
      slan 3 September 2011 14: 52 New
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      And explain that there is "based on an eagle owl"? Elbow pads or knee pads? Elements of this costume are already being purchased, again.
      So what is "all so unfortunately"?
      It is weak to admit that without reading commented?))
      The author managed to choose the most unfortunate examples to illustrate the unhealthy state of affairs in our military-industrial complex, it’s difficult and deliberate to think up more absurdities.
  8. datur 3 September 2011 12: 24 New
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    The author is trying to prove that our VPK and its products are a rusty bucket with nuts. and we are licking everything new from the front west. although they don’t hesitate to use b / y after modernization, and the novelties are already in development for a long time. And to rub at each other is in the order of things. It’s just that some blush slightly, while others say this is our exclusive point. or even silently and diligently copy. and do not feel remorse.
    1. slan
      slan 3 September 2011 12: 51 New
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      Just not tyrit, but to study and use the experience of other engineers. You might think that if one made a tank on tracks, then the rest of the country should be on the augers and on the stilts if they wouldn’t be accused of licking it.
      1. Old Cat Basilio
        Old Cat Basilio 3 September 2011 16: 48 New
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        And why not steal, if the opportunity presents itself? When Belenko hijacked the MiG-1976 in Japan in 25, the japas and amers were not shy - the whole plane was examined to the last nut. By the way - a funny story (true, not a joke). After that. how the japas gave him back. the aircraft was delivered to the Gorky Aviation Plant, where military representatives of all the enterprises from which the equipment was supplied for this aircraft were called in order to: inspect all components and assemblies where the adversary could climb. There is a special board in the pilot's headset, which emits a sound signal when the aircraft exits to M = 1. They found a Japanese character in it. They called a translator from Moscow (and the powers of the state commission were the broadest), he translated: a sign of radiation hazard. Question to the military representative - did you use radiation materials? The answer is no. After that, such hieroglyphs were found in many places of the "migrant". The commission was lost in speculation until a request was made to our embassy in Tokyo. The casket opened very simply - if there is such a sign, the Japanese hard worker is paid 6 times more (radiophobia, panicking). This is me on the issue of Japanese honesty and accuracy.
  9. cyberspace 3 September 2011 12: 40 New
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    If the author confuses S-47 and T-50, then the look is not only not sober, not even hungover.
  10. figwam 3 September 2011 13: 29 New
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    C-47 platform for testing new technologies of invisibility and placing weapons inside the aircraft. The developed technologies were switched to the T-50, which reduces the testing time of a new aircraft.
  11. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 3 September 2011 16: 21 New
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    The author probably only came from a tender age. Permyachka is just a set of protective equipment appeared a very long time before any Western whistles,
  12. Comrade
    Comrade 3 September 2011 19: 10 New
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    Of course, there are problems, and I think everyone agrees ... but do not exaggerate - that we already have nothing and we have nothing to fight ... As long as there is something, and whoever dares to test our strength, he will get the teeth on his teeth. ..))

    And as for the developments, if we didn’t have any technical innovations, they would not be chased by the intelligence of the world's leading, technically advanced countries .... and their brains would not leak out of the country - carriers of smart ideas ...
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 3 September 2011 19: 27 New
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      They are chasing, though they don’t need to steal, they just come as a market - they bought, they left.
  13. kagorta 3 September 2011 20: 56 New
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    According to the Fellin, the frogmen have a rearmament program, but I did not hear something about the Permian program.
  14. serezhafedotow
    serezhafedotow 3 September 2011 22: 06 New
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    Probably the author confused the Su-47 with the Su-27. The Su-27 with the T-50 in common is only a similar arrangement of air intakes (under the fuselage). And on this basis, the author and the like, experts like Felgenhauer draw their conclusions about the sunset
  15. ZEBRASH
    ZEBRASH 4 September 2011 08: 09 New
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    Quote: slan
    And explain that there is "based on an eagle owl"? Elbow pads or knee pads? Elements of this costume are already being purchased, again. So what is “everything like that, unfortunately?” Is it poor to admit that without reading comments?)) The author managed to choose the most unfortunate examples to illustrate the unhealthy state of affairs in our military-industrial complex, it’s more ridiculous and deliberate come up with.

    Well, I’m not only reading articles here, I’m not the only one who says that Permyachka from Filin is licked - I’m not an expert - I don’t know, but I read several more articles about this similarity and more reasoned than this. I will try to find and give a link.
  16. Gonoriy 10 February 2013 17: 56 New
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    The Americans still had it. They also practiced the reverse sweep on the X-29. And then they did their raptor. There is nothing surprising in the fact that Russia went the same way. By the way, the Americans did not hesitate to buy documentation for the Yak-141.This is to the question about backward Russians playing balalaikas. And as you know, Russian achievements were used to develop a super modern and advanced F-35. But this, of course, is not considered the decline of their aircraft industry.