A sober look at Russian weapons

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The arms race seems to be somewhere behind, but talking about the balance in the field of modern military technology does not go away from the mouth of both specialists and quite ordinary people. This year, possibly due to the fact that the cost of the military budget was theoretically increased several times, at various exhibitions and during the presentations new items of domestic military developers were demonstrated. By the way, the word “theoretically” came up not by chance, because, as you know, in Russia, any adopted law does not mean at all that all its main points will be executed precisely and on time. Often, it can be heard on television screens that public sector wages will be increased by a certain number of percent, military personnel will be provided with housing until the beginning of next year, but later it turns out that all this turns out to be interpreted in a different way. That reason is the sabotage of local authorities, the open-minded populism of politicians, and even that all together.

So the Russian army seems to be arming itself at a very solid pace. At one of the recent exhibitions, a new kit for a special unit soldier was demonstrated, the fighter of the PAK FA series almost flew into the MAKS-2011, the new T-90C will be shown to Vladimir Putin in Nizhny Tagil the other day. In theory, one should rejoice in such progress by the army, but for a close-up of enthusiasm a closer look at the situation does not always contain prerequisites.

To begin, let us touch on all the same protective kit, which was romantically called "Permyachka." This “Permyachka” is essentially not the fact that a new type of military equipment of a fighter, and even falls under the section of production plagiarism. The French military have already found in the Russian Permianka features that are very similar to their design, which is already used by the tricolor army of Mr. Sarkozy. And, indeed, in designing the costume, either the principles “borrowed” from the West were used, or it was our developers who decided to “invent the bicycle” independently of others. In general, be that as it may, the fact remains that “Permyachku” cannot be considered something truly outstanding from the point of view of security or armament. And the question of when this military kit will go to military units and directly get to the fighters, while only open. Some people call 2013 a year, others push it back to 2015, others just don’t undertake to predict, because any modernization forecast in Russia may run into unintended difficulties.

At the August presentation in Zhukovsky, when the promising T-50 fighter with partial stealth technology did not take off at the right moment, they again spoke about the crisis in the Russian defense industry. It’s not even the fact that the pilot had to shut off the engines due to an emergency situation, the fact is that the plane reminded someone of the “novelty” many years ago. Experts in one voice began to say that the T-50 is practically “written off” from the Su-47, which, in turn, was developed for many years and is also morally obsolete. If T-50 is really a descendant of this fighter, then we can state the situation of complete stagnation in the Russian production thought. Whether the aging galaxy of aircraft designers of Russia has "written out", or simply these people want to get a certain income, spending a minimum of strength, talent and funds. If the first is confirmed, then we are threatened with the inevitable reforming of the system for training engineering personnel for the military industry, and if it is the second, then all this is more like the use of allocated funds, to put it mildly, not quite as intended. It is just the same as if you were paid to invent a new refrigerator, and you would take an old one, change its shape a bit and give a massive presentation with an enchanting advertising campaign. In principle, most of the world's new products appear exactly on this principle.

But in the case of such an approach to the development of the defense complex, one can begin to forget about full-fledged competition with a potential adversary. You can generally lock yourself in each one in his garage and “invent” his own views. weaponsBy altering everything that had already been created. But, as you know, how many do not alter the engine, its resource still remains the same. It is necessary to change the approach to the creation of competitive weapons.

The tendency to use old equipment or its inappropriate modernization can provoke a situation in which our “defense industry” will become a world laugh. If only twenty years ago, a rare person allowed himself to make jokes about domestic weapons, today jokes about “new” Russian developments are already being circulated.

A recent series of accidents with spacecraft launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome confirm that all is not well in the military space industry. It turns out that even the change of the head of Roskosmos did not help, and everyone thought that it was precisely the head of the space department who specifically “sawed” the legs of the missiles ... We were very lively discussing the American problem with Shuttles and were proud that our “Progress” is reliability itself. But time makes us rethink the situation. The United States is already close to creating new ships that will be equipped for space flight, while we still don’t understand how it is our missiles, the principle of which are already hopelessly outdated, suddenly began to fall like pears under a hail.

I would like to hope that the recent incidents with the Russian military and space technology will force us to look at the modernization of the industry with a really sober look.
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  1. ZEBRASH
    0
    3 September 2011 08: 04
    That's right, unfortunately sad
    1. slan
      +4
      3 September 2011 09: 38
      How?!
      The T-50 as a refrigerator was written off from the Su-47, and the "Permyachka" has the features of a French bicycle design?))
  2. classicist2001
    +8
    3 September 2011 08: 53
    “Experts unanimously said that the T-50 was practically 'written off' from the Su-47, which in turn had been developed for many years and is also morally obsolete. If the T-50 is really a descendant of this fighter, then we can state a situation of complete stagnation in the Russian production thoughts. "
    The author is throwing noodles on his ears. How can the T-50 be "written off" from the Su-47 if the Su-47 is a forward-swept aircraft? See http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83-47. The author heard the ringing, but does not know where he is from. The Su-47 is now used as a flying laboratory on which some solutions for the T-50 were tested, which is absolutely normal practice in the world aircraft industry. As for "Permyachka", all interested parties can look at http://twower.livejournal.com/622007.html#cutid1. Even if they took something from the French "Owl", they did the right thing. The backlog must be eliminated by all possible means and as quickly as possible. God grant that they will start supplying more troops.
    1. 0
      3 September 2011 09: 04
      I will ask strong words, even slyly veiled (which I have already deleted), not to use in the future.
      1. -3
        3 September 2011 09: 25
        Wow!!! Live moderator !!!
        (stood at attention, took under the visor!)

        I won’t do it anymore, I promise (this was not the topic, I repent, it’s my fault). :)))))
      2. classicist2001
        0
        4 September 2011 03: 42
        I apologize, the ignorance of the article greatly outraged.
  3. +5
    3 September 2011 09: 03
    Yes, obviously not there ... The author deigned to fart in flour. Y. Of course, not a specialist in aviation, but where they wrote off the T-50 from the Su-47 is not clear. Offal? For God's sake! Outwardly, sorry, two big differences ...
    Who thinks, enlighten ... can I not catch up with what?
    1. 0
      4 September 2011 00: 14
      Quite right, the article is nothing, the argumentation is below the plinth. It also touches me that "sober looks" fit on half a page. facepalm
  4. slan
    +3
    3 September 2011 09: 35
    Is the author of the article accidentally not a blonde? Another explanation is hard to find.
  5. +5
    3 September 2011 10: 36
    The author should conduct his own analysis. Less than your opinion and your prejudices. More logic and technical facts. Then there will be no idiotic statements that the T-50 and Su-47 are the same aircraft.
  6. 0
    3 September 2011 11: 09
    Most likely, the author wanted to show our backwardness in military development. The system itself began to fail and hence the endless modernization of weapons models. Also, the author forgot to mention that for almost 20 years our defense industry has been spinning as best as possible and that it has remained afloat - a great miracle ! But if our state does not begin to invest in research and development, then unfortunately we really have to purchase Western weapons and the issue of sovereignty will be open!
    1. slan
      0
      3 September 2011 12: 53
      In short, it was enough to print the title, and that in our military-industrial complex badly everyone is happy to think out for the author themselves))
  7. ZEBRASH
    0
    3 September 2011 11: 45
    As for the similarities between the Su-47 and the T-50, of course, too much. It is very similar to the Raptor. But “Permyachka” is probably based on “Owl”. Well, okay, licked it off, put it into service. But nobody knows whether there will be purchases or not. This is at least in the special forces, but it probably will not reach ordinary soldiers.
    1. Old Cat Basilio
      +1
      3 September 2011 13: 23
      It is very similar to the Raptor.
      Actually, the laws of aerodynamics are the same all over the world. The author did not say anything about the avionics, weapons and technical specifications of the GTU, however, this is understandable, the aircraft is undergoing flight tests. Well, all the more so do not hell moan that everything is copied. And by the way, who are these "specialists" who unanimously speak all sorts of nonsense?
      As for the "obsolescence" of the principle of the construction of our missiles, let me say that the principle of their construction was invented by the ancient Chinese!
    2. slan
      0
      3 September 2011 14: 52
      And explain what is there "based on the owl"? Elbow pads or knee pads? Elements of this costume are already being purchased, again.
      So what is "all so, unfortunately"?
      It is weak to admit that without reading commented?))
      The author managed to choose the most unfortunate examples to illustrate the unhealthy state of affairs in our military-industrial complex, it’s difficult and deliberate to think up more absurdities.
  8. 0
    3 September 2011 12: 24
    The author is trying to prove that our VPK and its products are a rusty bucket with nuts. and we are licking everything new from the front west. although they don’t hesitate to use b / y after modernization, and the novelties are already in development for a long time. And to rub at each other is in the order of things. It’s just that some blush slightly, while others say this is our exclusive point. or even silently and diligently copy. and do not feel remorse.
    1. slan
      +2
      3 September 2011 12: 51
      Just not tyrit, but to study and use the experience of other engineers. You might think that if one made a tank on tracks, then the rest of the country should be on the augers and on the stilts if they wouldn’t be accused of licking it.
      1. Old Cat Basilio
        0
        3 September 2011 16: 48
        And why not steal if the opportunity presents itself? When in 1976, removed, Belenko hijacked the MiG-25 to Japan, the Japs with the amers did not hesitate - the entire plane was studied to the last nut. By the way - a funny story (honestly, not an anecdote). After. how the japas gave it back. the plane was delivered to the Gorky Aviation Plant, where they called the military representatives of all enterprises from which the equipment was supplied to this plane with the aim of: inspecting all the components and assemblies where the adversary could climb. In the pilot's headset there is a special board that emits a sound signal when the aircraft enters M = 1. They found a Japanese hieroglyph in it. An interpreter was called from Moscow (and the powers of the state commission were the broadest), he translated: a sign of radiation hazard. Question to the military representative - did you use radiation materials? The answer is no. After that, similar hieroglyphs were found in many places of the "migar". The commission was lost in conjecture until a request was made to our embassy in Tokyo. The casket opened very simply - in the presence of such a sign, the Japanese hard worker is paid 6 times more (radiophobia, panymash). This is me for the question of Japanese honesty and accuracy.
  9. +1
    3 September 2011 12: 40
    If the author confuses S-47 and T-50, then the look is not only not sober, not even hungover.
  10. +1
    3 September 2011 13: 29
    C-47 platform for testing new technologies of invisibility and placing weapons inside the aircraft. The developed technologies were switched to the T-50, which reduces the testing time of a new aircraft.
  11. Mr. Truth
    0
    3 September 2011 16: 21
    The author probably only came from a tender age. Permyachka is just a set of protective equipment appeared a very long time before any Western whistles,
  12. Comrade
    +1
    3 September 2011 19: 10
    Of course, there are problems, and I think everyone agrees ... but do not exaggerate - that we already have nothing and we have nothing to fight ... As long as there is something, and whoever dares to test our strength, he will get the teeth on his teeth. ..))

    And as for the developments, if we didn’t have any technical innovations, they would not be chased by the intelligence of the world's leading, technically advanced countries .... and their brains would not leak out of the country - carriers of smart ideas ...
    1. zczczc
      -1
      3 September 2011 19: 27
      They are chasing, though they don’t need to steal, they just come as a market - they bought, they left.
  13. -1
    3 September 2011 20: 56
    According to the Fellin, the frogmen have a rearmament program, but I did not hear something about the Permian program.
  14. serezhafedotow
    -1
    3 September 2011 22: 06
    Probably the author confused the Su-47 with the Su-27. The Su-27 with the T-50 in common is only a similar arrangement of air intakes (under the fuselage). And on this basis, the author and the like, experts like Felgenhauer draw their conclusions about the sunset
  15. ZEBRASH
    -1
    4 September 2011 08: 09
    Quote: slan
    And explain what is there "based on the owl"? Elbow pads or knee pads? Elements of this costume are already being purchased, again. So what is “all right, unfortunately?” It’s hard to admit that you commented on it without reading it?)) The author managed to choose the most unfortunate examples to illustrate the unhealthy state of affairs in our military-industrial complex; come up with.

    Well, I'm not only reading articles here, I'm not the only one who says that "Permyachka" from "Owl" is lapped up - I'm not an expert - I don't know, but I read several more articles about this similarity and more reasoned than this one. I will try to find and give a link.
  16. 0
    10 February 2013 17: 56
    The Americans still had it. They also practiced the reverse sweep on the X-29. And then they did their raptor. There is nothing surprising in the fact that Russia went the same way. By the way, the Americans did not hesitate to buy documentation for the Yak-141.This is to the question about backward Russians playing balalaikas. And as you know, Russian achievements were used to develop a super modern and advanced F-35. But this, of course, is not considered the decline of their aircraft industry.

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