"It is difficult to come up with a more humiliating form of degradation than Khasavyurt"

August 31 marks the 15 years of the Khasavyurt Treaty, which ended the first Chechen war. I know about this date not by hearsay, because I personally “walked around” these negotiations and I remember very well all this public. On the one hand - Khattab, Shirvani Basayev - in general, still those characters. On the other hand - our landing party and special forces. All these people gathered in the same yard in Novy Atagi (we are talking about preliminary talks before Khasavyurt). I also remember well our great strategist Alexander Ivanovich (Lebed. - Approx. KM.RU).

Than so to fight, as we fought in the first Chechen, it’s better not to fight at all

By and large, this was the “provisional” capitulation of Russia before, in general, the criminal regime. And not even before the Wahhabi or separatist, but before the criminal one. Because the reason for the existence of that regime was one. I must say that this is not even a way out of Russia. An example is the worm metaphor - how can it voluntarily leave the organism in which it feeds? Rather, it was going beyond the boundaries of the Criminal Code and the Criminal Procedure Code. The idea was fantastic, and I would even say, not very viable in the long term. But we must pay tribute, the guys have achieved this. I will not analyze the specific circumstances that preceded the conclusion of Khasavyurt - the storming of Grozny and other events. As they say, who saw, he knows.

In fact, there is one excuse for the existence of this episode - how to fight like this, as we fought in the first Chechen war, it’s better not to fight at all. Because everything that could be done behind the back of the belligerent army to substitute, betray and sell, was done, and even more. And this was done continuously. It was just some kind of paranoia. At that moment, when someone started to win, he was stopped. When someone tried to strike, they betrayed him. And all this was done, in general, almost directly for money. Again, it was complete paranoia. But most importantly, this army was betrayed by its own people. Because Russia did not want to fight and win.

Yeltsin acted like Lenin in 1917

The only qualitative difference between the first Chechen war and the second is that in the first case Russia did not want to fight. And therefore, anyone who continues the war would be swept away. As we know, then there were elections on the nose. And at that moment, when the question of them was an edge, it became clear that if a country wants to surrender, it cannot be made to fight. And she wanted to give up. In this sense, Yeltsin acted like Lenin in 1917. Only then the enemy was the German Empire, and in this case, just criminal punks. It is difficult to come up with a more humiliating form of degradation than Khasavyurt.

Moreover, Lebed personally pursued the goals that were imputed to him. He wanted to survive politically. Because when he was sent to restore the status quo before the assault, it meant that he was sent to drown or throw himself out of the window. Like "thank you, Alexander Ivanovich for everything you did, but you have a worthy, great and status task - go and get out of the window." And he refused to be thrown out of the window. Another thing is that the price of his refusal was the shame and humiliation of Russia. But once again I speak as a professional, I think, and Lebed understood that it’s better not to fight at all than to fight like that. In this regard, we can recall the famous scene from the “Days of the Turbins”, when Turbin disbanded the cadets. In the case of Lebed the same. That is why I have an excuse for Alexander Ivanovich for Khasavyurt. Because it was Turbin, dissolving the cadets: who are you going to protect, the hetman ran away. But again, I repeat (by analogy with Lenin and Bulgakov) - the population did not want to fight.

But when there was a second war, which was waged by similar means, by the same army and approximately with the same degree of combat effectiveness, then there was the will to win. And each of the leaders understood that if he surrendered, he would cease to exist. That is, everything was exactly the opposite. And it was another country. But in order to make it different, Khasavyurt was needed. It was necessary to "dunk" the country "nose in the shit" and hold it (Dagestan, explosions of houses, etc.) exactly as long as it takes to understand that it is unpleasant to sit with a "face in the shit."

Comments

[Sorry]

I won’t comment on the person who took part in those events. But I definitely remember that as soon as the feds begin to put pressure, they will announce a respite. This treaty was generally perplexing, and the military, who also fought there, perceived it as a betrayal.

[ZeF]

Hunchback began to ruin the country, the drunk continued with even greater zeal. 1996 rampant crime, delayed wages, nothing to feed the family, and even send their children to death for the sake of bandit power? What kind of morale can we talk about here? There is no money in the country, the economy is ruined, and war is big, very big money. Spirits have achieved more than they expected, and obviously they can’t fight with their hands. And the people will not tolerate another such war. We need a shake-up to raise the spirit of the people and their desire to fight (not by order) himself. September 1999 - the time of terror in the cities of Russia. Explosions of residential buildings in Moscow, Buinaksk, Volgodonsk led to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. Bloody terrorist attacks set the masses to war to a victorious end in Chechnya. On September 30, the second Chechen war began. I repeat once again, there is nothing for the spirits of war after the victory, and only special services can crank up such an operation.
July 1998 to August 1999 - Putin receives the post of director of the Federal Security Service (FSB) of the Russian Federation. In the same year, Putin was included in the Security Council of the Russian Federation.
August 1999 - Putin receives the position of First Deputy Prime Minister just introduced by B. Yeltsin, and was also appointed interim head of government. A few days later, Putin's candidacy for the post of Prime Minister was approved during a vote in the State Duma. This was followed by the following appointments: the chairman of the Executive Committee of the Union of Belarus and Russia, the head of the Presidential Commission on military-technical cooperation with foreign countries. December 31, 1999 - in a televised address, Yeltsin calls Putin his successor as President of the Russian Federation
Acting as President, in early January 2000, Putin issued a decree on the immunity of the first President of Russia and his family from any legal or administrative prosecution.
The active phase of hostilities lasted only from 1999 to 2000, and the end of this war is still not visible. Think about who rules us.
It's my personal opinion.

[APASUS]

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and the military, who also fought there, perceived him as a betrayal.

The most interesting thing is that everyone at the top knows "who took, who gave, who arranged these truces." But not where you will not find the names of the traitors !!!!!!!!!! They are now retired and quietly bask in the gentle sun of Nice !

[mitrich]

Alexander Ivanovich Swan lived two lives:
The first - from the cadet of the RVVDKU to the commander of the 14th Army in Transnistria
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The second - from the Secretary of the Security Council of the Government of the Russian Federation to his tragic death in 2002.
He first changed the oath on 19.08.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX, only then nobody understood this. As for the Khasavyurt agreements, God forbid Russia to once again experience such humiliation from a knowingly weak adversary. And from the obviously strong too ...

[iulai]

in the defeats in the first Chechen war, only the Kremlin’s betrayal and the mediocrity of the generals are to blame.

[sergant89]

You can read about Lebed's participation in this capitulation of Rossi to the bandits in Khinstein's book "Oligarchs from the Great Road" about the life and development of 2 well-known personalities of Berezovsky and Abramovich, as the commander of the 14th Army in Transnistria ran errands for the newly-minted oligarchs, and about I can say one thing to the war because I myself participated in both companies, we won, but victory is equal to loss, payments to the Chechen Republic for restoration resemble an indemnity, it is painful and insulting to watch all this.

[AleksUkr]

By the way, the cost of "peaceful" Chechnya these days is greater than the cost of a war with it. And we are ruled by the one who accepted the renaming of Victory Avenue in Grozny to Putin Avenue. No refusal was received.

[makrus]

One of the few articles where things are called by their proper names. The first review should be written in the textbooks of our recent history.
I would like the veterans of the First Chechen to be equated with veterans of the Great Patriotic War.
I recall a captured tanker to whom the Chechens explain that he is a mercenary, since the Russian government said that the army in the Chechen Republic was not at war and that Minister Grachev did not know whose tanks entered Grozny and whose planes bombed him.
I would like to note in connection with the death of BUDANOV. All these people (soldiers of the Russian Federation) for 10 years tried to convey to these offseps that they were not on the path with radical Islamism, paying for it with their health and lives. And according to the idea, the Chechens should recognize them as national heroes and be very grateful. But today the picture is different, they are being declared bloodlines, and our president is discussing Russian nationalism.
I think the monument on the Minutka square to our soldiers and the Eternal Flame are very appropriate. To remember ...

[sergant89]

We are equated to "Participant of military operations" - 1340 rubles per month + travel by train))))))))) which in our area no one has seen in the eyes

[makrus]

Quote: sergant89

We are equated to "Participant in the fighting"

I would like every veteran to receive an apartment or compensation. My friend got a lemon for her mother since she was a WWII veteran

[AleksUkr]

It would be desirable if our rulers finally recognized that they were primarily to blame for all the wars in the territory of the former USSR. They and only they. They brought the country to destruction, impoverishment. In all respects, the country fell below the level of urban sewage. The ambitious war of Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... A disgrace for our country, and we reward them with orders, call the library named after Yeltsin, the order for the collapse of the USSR Gorbachev. Shame on our tandem. They both participated in the celebration Feats of Yeltsin. Standing sugary speeches come and speak ...

[Ivan35]

Well, you at least leave Putin "for divorce" - let everyone else be a shame (I agree 150%), but Putin is still our unspoken leader in the eyes of the whole world

That is - I am not for the oligarchs and not for Putin - just shouting shame on Putin and down with Putin does not strengthen either Russia or the new alliance that is now forming. We hit Putin - and hit Russia.

As I have already written many times - we must not cross the line between patriotism and betrayal

This is both an international split in the hands of enemies - and a domestic split is also harmful - like a revolution

I suggest scolding everyone - but a little slow down on Putin as the current symbol of the country (and we have such a country as we are and we should not harm the country because of ideology)

Moreover, Putin’s oligarchic group nevertheless strengthened Russia, kept it from collapse and nationalized all the major strategic companies (directing flows to the budget and not to the pockets of oligarchs) - if he didn’t know their true interests, he could decide that they were communists. But in any case, they have to enter into some kind of cooperation

[stas]

Ivan35, I will answer you with the words of Leonid Parfyonov, which he expressed on the occasion of his rewarding with some kind of television prize, “It is allowed to talk about our government as if it were a dead person or only good or nothing.”
Are you calling us to this?
I personally think that if Putin’s rule continues, it will lead to a social explosion, if not more catastrophic consequences for the whole of Russia. And you suggest that we take the position of an ostrich, which is treacherous in relation to the peoples of Russia.
Putin will not be in power soon, but the people were, are and will be!

[Ivan35]

Nothing of the kind - if you read my comments - I always called and urge to vote for the Communist Party and also clearly see and speak about the collapse of the Motherland and its institutions under the rule of the oligarchs

I just warn not to cross the line in denying the state (which we now have) so as not to slide into a "revolution" - riots - not pushing people out into the street - which again is beneficial only to external enemies

That is, not to join "accidentally" to the right - who rocks the boat from the other side - to Kasparov Novodvorskaya Nemtsov, etc.

[sergant89]

Ivan35 do you want some statistics for 2010 Russia produced and sold 487mln barrels of oil and became 1 in the world as a country for production and export at a price of 108 dollars, how about 80% lives in the country, including you and I see every day, and in 1984. The USSR produced 172mln.oil at the price of 28doll and enough for almost everything, do not forget about the 15 Republics, but I already keep silent about millionaires about millionaires and added 11% and you want to tell these flows to the budget, I’ll give you thousands of such facts because I live on Yamal and I work in the field of mining ve protection and I can tell you in what ass 70-80% of the population lives here, although 84% of the whole of Russia gas is extracted, people have nowhere to work for a penny (25-28t.rub) if you say that this is a lot of average prices for housing and communal services- from 5-9t.ru per month, depending on the registered for 2-x apartment in a WOODEN house, AI-92-28 gasoline, rub. , milk-52 rub, you ask why I’m sitting here; there’s nowhere to go; they didn’t earn millions; they are all in the budget, most likely American or maybe English.

[Ivan35]

I completely agree - t to the USSR the distribution of income was fair and there were no oligarchs
Also, you forgot an even more negative moment under the current government - there is a "dollar vacuum cleaner" that sweeps out all the profits from the country to the west
Read my comments - you will see that it is not necessary to agitate me "for Soviet power"

I just caution against rocking the boat -

[AleksUkr]

Sometimes it can even be useful to shake, maybe it will reach someone that we are all in the same boat. And if the boat goes to the bottom, then we are all with it. The truth Our elite found spare marinas. But this is not for long. The renegades are nowhere almost completely respected.

[promising]

I agree completely, I live in HMAO, oil and gas are all around, billions of tons produced !!! At the same time thousandths !!! queues for kindergartens, real average wages. fee 15-20 thousand. For your information rent of uncomfortable housing "Balka" 7-12 tr. Only the blind and feeble-minded can sleep peacefully in our time. Real incomes of the population are falling, the education system is degrading !!! Now I want to ask everyone a question: when you come to the elections, remember how many years have passed, how many people were killed, and how many were stolen, ... oh yes, I completely forgot, and how much arthropod presidents, pedros, and everyone like them did "a lot"! )))