In the United States have experienced a bait rocket MALD-J

The US Marine Corps made a successful test launch of a radio-controlled miniature MALD-J rocket (Miniature air-launched decoy jammer) developed and manufactured by Raytheon from the Super Hornet aircraft. Military Parity with reference to "flightglobal.com".

According to the publication, MALD-J is capable of entangling enemy air defenses, “imitating the radar signature and flight profile of the manned fighter jets”. The enemy will be forced to attack these false targets, which will ensure the safety of the aircraft themselves.

It is reported that MALD-J "in large quantities will go into service with the carrier-based fighters Boeing F / A-18E / F" Super Hornet ". Rocket weight less 136 kg, flight distance to 926 km.

During the test, the bait rocket demonstrated the ability to transmit data about the enemy’s radar to the EW operator, who immediately used the information received to correct her flight.

“This test flight demonstrated the ability of MALD-J to integrate new technologies into itself, which will provide our soldiers with more opportunities on the battlefield. Marines are gaining the ability to fight in cyberspace, the Riteon lure rocket is part of a far-sighted solution to a complex problem. ”, said Raytheon spokesman Mike Jarrett.

Comments

[Same lech]

False target ... I hope our missile launchers know how to deal with this thing.

[mig31]

How effective it is, no one can say, I can only add - as old as the world ....

[Andrea]

Quote: mig31(3)
How effective it is, no one can say, I can only add - as old as the world ....

Old is old, but very unpleasant. Shooting from a cannon at sparrows, who needs it, and opening locators ahead of time is useless.

[just exp]

moreover, immediately after turning on the charms they can fly.

[clidon]

That is, such missile traps were already in service? Who?

[Jack-b]

Tactical nuclear charges.

[Giant thought]

For all the tricks of the mattresses, we also have our cunning, even trickier.

[mig31]

And a long time ago ....

[just exp]

here only one trick will help - EW.

[Nayhas]

Quote: The same Lech

False target ... I hope our missile launchers know how to deal with this thing.

Only to shoot down ... and this is achieved by the one who launched false targets, opening the positions of air defense, after which these air defense means will be attacked.
Also, false targets can be launched together with anti-aircraft missiles, thereby increasing the enemy’s consumption of anti-aircraft missiles. False targets themselves are relatively not expensive, cheaper than SAM, reloading the ammunition load of an air defense system is a rather lengthy and concealed object (like the air defense system itself) at that time defenseless ...

[clidon]

These things are very promising. Especially in combination with "stealth" fighters, which can deceive the enemy - by releasing such a thing to the side, and he himself continue the "quiet" flight towards the enemy, who will chase the "noisemaker".

[aleks 62]

..... A noisy person let him make noise ..... But they completely forgot about the EPR ... Against such things, there is such a term as target selection by external signs .... At different irradiated frequencies this will be immediately visible ....

[clidon]

The most commonly used frequencies of the decimeter and centimeter ranges and it is quite possible to configure MALD-J transponders for them. Moreover, under the EPR of a particular machine.

[Dreamwriter]

The concept is interesting. But only a competent electronic warfare system does the same without the need to create separate stealth aircraft and bait missiles.

[clidon]

A competent electronic warfare system + MALD will be even better ...

[Professor]

Quote: Dreamscripter

The concept is interesting. But only a competent electronic warfare system does the same without the need to create separate stealth aircraft and bait missiles.

Tell us how this happens pliz.

[Corsair0304]

Something like this was to be expected. In the end, such things have long been used on submarines.

[Alexey RA]

They have long been used in the air force. Back in Soviet times, in the Western Military District there were articles on air defense breakthrough methods being worked out in NATO countries - and these articles described, among other things, similar LCs.
EMNIP, like Israel was still fond of - for work on Syrian air defense.

[VAF]

Quote: Alexey RA

Back in Soviet times, in the Western Military District there were articles on air defense breakthrough methods being worked out in NATO countries - and these articles described, among other things, similar LCs.

You confuse Addis Ababa with .... Booba from Odessa

In those days, the "functions" of the so-called false targets were performed by DOs (dipole reflectors). DL (tapes) all of various lengths from cm to tens of meters.
All this was "poured out" from automatic release machines (ASO) and automatic setting machines (APP). Either from standard (on some types of aircraft) or specialized jammers.
They were mainly used as "hiding" the combat formations of the UG, although in practice it turned out to be an ordinary unmasking and "aid" to air defense personnel.
How LCs have been applied and are still being used for firing ammunition for LTC and PPI, as well as 23 mlm of PRL shells.
But all this was only for the protection of the "priests" (the only machines were the Il-28 and Tu-16) which fired forward, but ... at a very small range. In principle, complacency. That the rocket would "lead".

Here, the article highlights another issue and other means and methods of their application. And we did not have such means from birth, only theory. that some missiles launch blanks and some combat .. but this is utopia! because we don’t have that many extra carriers that will let go .. blanks

[Zubrminsk]

Purely offensive weapons. And who is preparing for aggression?

[Andrea]

The usual tactical device, from the time of an ancient person, you throw a stone, the enemy is distracted, here you are his club.

[Wolka]

the stick is always about two ends, and therefore what end it will fly to you a big question, but no one canceled the boomerang ...

[Cripple cross]

But there is one minus - one such missile takes a combat place. That is, the combat equipment of the aircraft will be less by the number of such missiles.

[voyaka uh]

Right. But also one anti-aircraft missile - also less.

[Cripple cross]

Quote: voyaka uh

But also one anti-aircraft missile - also less.

There is a reaction to every action. I think they’ll come up with how to distinguish this electronic blende. There is no limit to the perfection of man in the destruction of his own kind.

[Manul]

Quote: CrippleCross

There is a reaction to every action. I think they’ll come up with how to distinguish this electronic blende. There is no limit to the perfection of man in the destruction of his own kind.

The time and resources to develop the main thing is to be available. And if the enemy has the means to open the air defense, and we can not counteract, then this is very alarming!

[Scoun]

Quote: voyaka uh

Right. But also one anti-aircraft missile - also less.

in theory, yes, but then another parameter must be turned on. the cost of rockets! and again it’s difficult to compare, because what kind of air defense will be involved? S-300/400 or Shell / Beech?

[Penelope]

We knock down the bait with one rocket, with a second rocket the plane.

[VAF]

Quote: Penelope

We knock down the bait with one rocket, with a second rocket the plane.

Will there be enough knockers? Here, the other day, in Syria, they were already ...

[voyaka uh]

It’s not easy to calculate and predict everything: such bait missiles
strain air defense, make them turn on radars and get nervous, and do idle
shots of very expensive missiles.
It should be noted that along with bait missiles, radar killer missiles are launched: the radar turns on to recognize the bait missile, and the killer missile hits the radar.
They try to launch such missiles from airplanes at the limit of their air defense range,
without entering the zone of her defeat.
In general, without sending interceptor aircraft, such an attack is difficult to neutralize only with SAM forces.

[aleks 62]

It should be noted that along with bait missiles, radar killer missiles are launched: the radar turns on to recognize the bait missile, and the killer missile hits the radar.

...... You forgot about the corner ground reflector .... Not a panacea, but .... In Vietnam, such tactics were quite successfully used against Amer’s anti-radar missiles ....

[Fregate]

Right. But also one anti-aircraft missile - also less.

So it is not easier, instead of "bait", to start up a real CD, it will also have to spend SAMs on it + it can also cause damage if not shot down.

[just exp]

the price of the bait and the price of KR are not comparable.

[VAF]

Quote: Fregate

So it's not easier, instead of "bait", to start up a real CD, you also have to spend SAMs on it

This is precisely the question of Soviet tactics of application about which I wrote a little bit above These tactics (albeit effective) are called ... from poverty "or ... 2 for not having the best"

But it’s for the defending side .. huge problems. Because it’s possible to classify the target. It can only be Visually and subject to the PMP, but the reaction time can be simple. And what can it do here ... it’s just not enough!
And where is the confidence that this is a "bait", a carrier or already "itself .. a combat gift"?
Therefore, they will respond to everything and everything, and if I react, they will be destroyed immediately, especially since MALD-J has the function of detecting irradiating radars and setting response interference

[just exp]

if only for one, it’s accepted to let them go in two, and the problem is not that the missiles will be spent, but that the real goal will be saved. which may crash and groan not weakly, that in the fire another PU or radar will burn.

[Locksmith]

So the plane for ammunition will not fly back, and the air defense system has an almost inexhaustible BK-there is a technical division.

[VAF]

Quote: Locksmith

and the SAM has an almost inexhaustible BK-that is, a technical division.

Yeah and the "inexhaustible" stock of guidance radar and control center
Those. if we are at war. so one X-58 all Galstukoedovskoy air defense at once .. and victory immediately, but if the Americans .. yes .. then all the seams and planes they have the wrong missiles and for the BC they need to fly and in general. ... "they have the wrong system of cartridges" (movie "Wedding in Malinovka) and in general .." well, they are .. stupid "(M. Zadornov)

[VAF]

Quote: CrippleCross

But there is one minus - one such missile takes the place of combat

No minus, because this air-based system has a MODULAR type weighs less than 136 kg (approx. 300 pounds)
And in order not to "take place" they use VTUO, and not .. "cast iron"
In addition, for these purposes, the methodology for the use of UAVs has been worked out ... so .. don’t make an adversary .. a fool .. it’s fraught however

[Cripple cross]

In addition, for these purposes, the methodology for the use of UAVs has been developed.

Well, in this case, the UAV will be identified by air defense systems and shot down. + Either the UAV should be huge (they are not big enough and I think they are weak to carry full-fledged missiles) to carry a missile, or the missile should be very small, but then such a racket, like a baby clapper, give a place for electronics and fuel too ... . The radius of flight of such a toy will not be large, obviously not for 900 km as stated + it is indicated that the missiles are included in the kit for carrier-based fighters. So UAVs disappear for any reason.
It is said that a rocket simulates a flying plane. So the picture will be something like this. A target appears on the radar, the target launches a couple of such missiles, and now there are already 3 aircraft on the radar. The air defense system will process all three targets and will also destroy 3 goals at once.
A scenario is possible that the plane launches a couple of missiles and the electronics of these missiles turn on later, that is, until the electronic blende is turned on, the air defense system will be on the radar to observe the missile.
In general, do not tell me ..... Air Defense will process all the targets and destroy them. I think these tricks are only effective if 10 enemy aircraft appear in the sky that release a couple of tricks, then the air defense will observe not 10, but 30 targets. Then yes! There are all chances for many planes to survive and defeat air defense. But with such a massive attack, our interceptors will rise into the air, which will already lead a completely different battle.

[bmv04636]

As I understand it, in the first place, it’s less and many times over and this is its huge minus.

[Wedmak]

Well, that means they will soon launch a certain reconnaissance missile with electronic warfare equipment on board. Arrives in the area, BAM, momentum - poorly protected simulators fall, the aircraft remain.

[Andrea]

So most likely it will be.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Wedmak

Arrives in the area, BAM, momentum - poorly protected simulators fall, the aircraft remain.

And where does it fall from then ... will the "impulse" extinguish the fuel in the engine?

[Wedmak]

And where does it fall from then ... will the "impulse" extinguish the fuel in the engine?

Electronics will die, there is no control, and accordingly there is no impact on air defense.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Wedmak

Electronics will die, there is no control, and accordingly there is no impact on air defense.

Its main task is to fly and "shine" in all directions forcing the enemy to turn on the radar, giving out its location. The RTR aircraft flies after it, registers the radiation, classifies the radar, sets the coordinates and transmits this to the strike vehicles. Failure of the MALD-J onboard equipment will only make its flight more predictable, and it doesn't matter, it already has a one-way flight.
PS: the task of MALD-J is to provoke a reaction from the enemy, no matter what it is. If he cut down electronics over such a square, then someone is there ... serious ...

[Stinger]

An imitation of plaque will be an imitation of its reflection, and from the bushes they will get fucked for real.

[Vtel]

Putting them on "Avtobaza", packing them and taking them to the warehouse is a joke.

[sivuch]

According to the publication, MALD-J is able to confuse enemy air defense, "simulating the radar signature and flight profile of manned fighters"
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And in all ranges, starting from mm to meter? I don’t know how real it is

[aleks 62]

According to the publication, MALD-J is able to confuse enemy air defense, "simulating the radar signature and flight profile of manned fighters"
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And in all ranges, starting from mm to meter? I don’t know how real it is


... Shalom .. But this is a useful commentary .... Especially if the radar signal is "twisted" (phase, frequency, etc.) ...

[Dimka off]

Quote: sivuch

in all ranges, starting from mm to meter?

I thought about that too. How can these baits get around for example the Sky-M radar?

[500kiloVolt]

It is necessary to fight against false "decoy missiles" with the help of false "radar baits" ...

[VAF]

Quote: 500kiloVolt

You must fight against false decoy missiles with the help of false radar baits.

Is there a 100% guarantee that a combat missile does not fly next to the "decoy rocket"? And then who will need a real radar from this complex if the target is no longer there?

[500kiloVolt]

Not about that ...
And about camouflaging real-life radars with inexpensive simulators ...
And there are also such techniques as "imitation of target acquisition" and "imitation of launch".
When a lot of radars are working on a target, it’s more difficult to determine which one led the missile to the target.

[TOR2]

Quote: aleks 62

Shumelka let it make noise ..... But they completely forgot about the EPR ... Against such things, there is such a term as target selection by external signs .... At different irradiated frequencies, this will be immediately visible ..

Yes, that's exactly right. This rocket is designed to make target classification difficult. Well, differently, so that the mattress vulture would live longer.

Quote: clidon

The most commonly used frequencies of the decimeter and centimeter ranges and it is quite possible to configure MALD-J transponders for them. Moreover, under the EPR of a particular machine

what is a transponder? Parrot in Russian. You irradiated the rocket, the reflected signal is gone. The parrot won't work for a moment. But the target classifier recognizes forgery. If there are a lot of such noisemakers, it will be necessary to send "Dichlorvos" to the meeting, it does not need a lot of brains, it flew into a given area and blew up an EMP head of low power. And then, as you are lucky, or there will be MALD-Jpad or MALD-J will turn NURS flying into milk.

[Artyom]

We are actively developing radars with a passive phased array, it will be difficult to illuminate this!

[clidon]

It would be better passively developed with an active ...