Forward to the past?

Recently on the pages of "Military Review" there was an article "Future of Russia", we bring to your attention one more opinion, somewhat different from what was stated in the DMB article.




Quite recently, exactly 20 years have passed since the Soviet Union ceased to exist as a state. Yes, just as a state, because as an intangible substance this concept is still alive in the minds of people of the older and middle generations. You can still talk a thousand times about the Union as a state built on a fratricidal war, on totalitarianism and bureaucracy, but most people have a different association with the country in which they were born. It does not even need to talk about the formation of the image of the state for Soviet citizens, which was conducted with the help of television channels, radio programs and multimillion-dollar periodicals. Not only how the speakers spoke about the record harvests and the increase in the well-being of ordinary Soviet people, but also the feeling of the present, not the recorded one, the brotherhood of nations, unity, security and some kind of childish naivety. 10 ice cream kopecks, cheap soda, the absence of any boundaries between members of the same family, portraits of Ilyich at every step - the classic utopian idyll, which was realized in the scale of one country.

It is these paintings that make an impressive number of our fellow citizens say that they would gladly return back to their native USSR. Such people, of course, can be understood, because they did not have to take the grief of monstrous repression, the negative of almost universal leveling, clarification about their origin and other related signs of the Soviet state.

But among us there is another social stratum that feels outrage at the mere mention of the Soviet empire with its leaders and party monopoly. Among such people are dissidents who fought so that each of us could express our opinion without fear of being behind bars in a couple of hours. This and the crippled soldiers of numerous wars, which the Soviet leadership called the international assistance to the fraternal peoples. Moreover, the "fraternal peoples" often did not even ask for any help from the USSR. This includes ordinary people who could not keep in touch with their relatives living in the so-called countries of the “decaying West”.

In general, for everybody, the Soviet Union is associated with purely personal forms, objects, and processes, which are now meaningless to try to impose on others.

Recently, however, there are many ideas aimed at a certain reincarnation of the inviolable Union. I do not want to make far-reaching conclusions about the competence and adequacy of people who come up with such ideas, but today this can be considered a complete absurdity. If we talk about a certain longing for the years of adolescence, this is one thing, but trying to transfer the past to the framework of the present reality is another thing. Well, in any way, with all the desire, today Estonians and Russians, Armenians and Azeris, Abkhazians and Georgians will not get along in a peaceful neighborhood within the same state. Here, without any share of slyness, it should be noted that during the times of the USSR, these peoples smiled at each other, to say the least, through clenched teeth. Sometimes only a cry from Moscow kept the “brothers” from not rushing at each other with knives and stakes. With all personal respect for the brotherhood of the Soviet peoples, the feeling of the fact of the artificiality of this enormous education does not leave ... And the harsh suppression of national speeches, and the "stick" system of strengthening the state, and the bloody repressions of entire nations - all this is the other side of the beautiful cover called "The Indestructible Soviet Union ". No one is going to dispute the fact that the very idea of ​​creating a state of like-minded people can be considered exemplary. But then, at what cost this “consolidation of society” took place, often does not climb into any gates ...

Some believe that the collapse of the Soviet Union is the work of all world intelligence agencies, Jewish conspiracy and Masonic insinuations. However, in this case, it must be said that the root cause of the fall of the Union was not the “ardent desire” of the United States, but the imperial ambitions of a large country. No sane person can understand why our army was sent to Afghanistan. No one in the world understands what our rulers in Angola wanted to achieve.

Today, the chance to understand the logic of the Soviet leadership is fully provided. The Americans, having received full world hegemony, also want to shine the imperial crown, starting all new and new military operations. The United States has already received one blow in the form of an economic crisis, the endless war in Afghanistan has already managed to kill thousands of lives, and the adventures in North Africa can lead to the most unexpected consequences. All this once again proves that whatever form of government is elected by the Empire - democratic, totalitarian, pseudo-democratic or monarchical - its result is either self-destruction or destruction from the outside.

You can turn to one of the historical facts when in Europe they tried to revive the Roman Empire, which, incidentally, also had a lot of positive. So these attempts ended with new wars and new fragmentation of states.

That is why a return to the past, whatever it may be in the eyes of many of our compatriots, looks at least naive. You can make ice cream on 10 kopecks, put machines with cheap soda, return the anthem, you can even start your revolution, but this is not a return to the USSR. This is at best like a low-quality retro. Only from this nostalgia can blood be shed again, from which our earth has not yet had time to dry out from the time of previous adventures. And all the more it is not necessary to repeat to the West about the need for fundamental changes in Russian society.

Mr. McCain scares us with the Libyan scenario, but he also needs to point out some chapters of the textbook. stories. Yes, in our state, not everything is perfect - any adequate person recognizes it, but so what is it - grabbing up drafts and riders, rushing headlong to a better life. Sorry, Comrade McCain, we already went through this. But you should try. "The Great American Revolution" - in my opinion, it sounds very ...
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  1. Che
    Che 31 August 2011 07: 44 New
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    The past cannot be returned, but where to get the wise rulers capable of raising the country from ruins. Raise the economy, create an army to protect people from amers, pursue a smart national policy so as not to ruin Russia. Another question is whether migrant workers will fight the invaders, is the core of the Russian people broken. Sea issues. There is no one to answer them.
  2. Max. M.M
    Max. M.M 31 August 2011 08: 58 New
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    good article .
    1. figwam 31 August 2011 19: 24 New
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      No sane person can understand why our army was sent to Afghanistan.

      Ask why all the powers climb into Afghanistan, the author should start reading books.
      In our country, dozens of nationalities coexist.
      The article is an ordinary liberal.
    2. Marat
      Marat 31 August 2011 23: 13 New
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      No, Maxim is an anti-Soviet “liberal” article.

      The anti-Soviet myths about "monstrous" repressions and "mass equalization" were dealt with in detail by the same Sergey Kara Murza and many other authors
      It's like a litmus test - an indicator of "liberal"

      Of course there were repressions - but rather in the "pre-Soviet period" - and there the liberal schemes are becoming more and more complicated - if the USSR it means repressions

      The author writes that blood will be shed when returning to the past - thereby dumping and discrediting and restoration of socialism and unification - integration of republics

      Now Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan are integrating - quite capitalist - there is nothing there from repression and socialism - and this article harms this positive process - and arguments at the level of emotion - there will be repressions - or Estonians do not like Russians - that is, everything that looks like the USSR will be bad - promotes the idea of ​​the unnecessary revival of the union about the unnecessary integration, etc.

      That is, the article causes a negative immediately to the idea of ​​unification - and to the idea of ​​socialism
    3. Max. M.M
      Max. M.M 1 September 2011 03: 54 New
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      but to be honest Marat is right this is an anti-Soviet "liberal" article!
  3. Banshee 31 August 2011 09: 28 New
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    The article is so-so, to be honest.
    Beg walk briefly.

    1. It does not even need to talk about the formation of the image of the state for Soviet citizens, which was conducted with the help of television channels, radio programs and multimillion-dollar periodicals.

    You know ... 2 TV channel and 3 radio stations ... Do not tell. It was they who were supposed to broadcast around the clock to the whole country because of the time zones only for your formation. As for periodicals ... As now, no one forced to read. Yes, they were written out at Pravda and Izvestia enterprises as obligatory, it was like that. But this does not mean that they read out the holes. And if they stood behind the Komsomolskaya Pravda and chased the Literary ... apparently, they were worth it.

    2. It is these paintings that make an impressive number of our fellow citizens say that they would gladly return back to their native USSR. Such people, of course, can be understood, because they did not have to take the grief of monstrous repression, the negative of almost universal leveling, clarification about their origin and other related signs of the Soviet state.

    So the picture is drawn: long rows of barracks, people in gray robes ... I personally had family repressions at the beginning of the 20 century. Because of the origin. But it had nothing to do with the USSR. One grandfather after the war was in the camps because of the captivity. They were released in 1953, died in 1976 as the deputy director of the plant. To this I will add the fact that we ourselves are not particularly Russian. On the 3 / 4 Poles. The only thing that complicated my life at that time was the name. I changed it later. But nifiga not because of the system, but mainly because of the attitude to yourself in school from classmates. And this did not prevent me from enrolling in one of the Suvorov schools in 1987. And in my platoon studied 2 Jew (on the passport !!!), 1 Armenian, 1 Azerbaijani, 2 Belarusian, 4 Ukrainian, 1 Udmurt.
  4. SVD
    SVD 31 August 2011 09: 31 New
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    The article is about nothing - Putin already said everything - "He who does not want the USSR to return, has no heart, he who wants the USSR to return, has no mind." Only the last phrase I liked - "The Great American Revolution" - in my opinion, it sounds very ...
    1. AleksUkr 31 August 2011 10: 36 New
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      I do not understand what you want - smart, but without a heart? So we stand in power, seeming smart, but they have no heart and never had it. Rather, they seem to have it, but only for themselves. The people are not provided there.
  5. Banshee 31 August 2011 09: 38 New
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    3. Among such people are dissidents who fought so that each of us could express our opinion without fear of being behind bars in a couple of hours.

    Oh, how they fought ... By the way, and now, after their long and hard "struggle", not everything can be said. And you can be very far away.
    Saw / heard. I know. All these drooling and snot were well paid, but the essence was the same: what for your dissidents did not need freedom of speech! They needed a FEEDER !!! What they all showed when freedom came. What is there your Solzhenitsyn did not rush to restore the Motherland? Came, poked into the camera and back ... where? That's right, in the homeland of all dissidents ... USA.

    4. This and the crippled soldiers of numerous wars, which the Soviet leadership called the international assistance to the fraternal peoples.

    Would you talk to these soldiers, huh? To start. And with Chernobyl liquidators. You should not put them on a par with your syslezhayami-dissidents. These were PEOPLE, unlike your whimpers. I have enough friends and acquaintances from among them. You wouldn’t be spat on such a comparison. Another era, other people. do not equal.
    1. dna
      dna 31 August 2011 10: 08 New
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      I just can’t understand: if the repressions were so terrible, without gray coffins, and the dissidents were neighbors, they did not fight very actively, and then only for jeans and hamburgers, and soldiers, other (apparently better) people to another ( apparently better?) era, were happy to fight in Afghanistan for their homeland, then why did the union melt away like a snowman in May? Is Gorbachev alone to blame? Would there be Stalin instead of Gorbachev, and now there would be the USSR, and would live in it no worse than the bad and evil Americans live now? I think that if there were Stalin instead of Gorbachev, then maybe the USSR would still be. But this country would have looked more like North Korea.
      1. Banshee 31 August 2011 10: 32 New
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        Quote: dna
        Would Stalin instead of Gorbachev, and now would be the USSR, and would live in it no worse than the bad and evil Americans live now?


        It is not excluded.

        In general, I see the root of those events exclusively in the lost information war. The silly thing was the iron curtain. Who went abroad? Elite (artists, sales representatives, engineers), which was not particularly believed, but which COULD draw the right conclusion from what they saw, and excuse me, cattle (sailors, soldiers, workers) who could not look further than jeans, gum, whiskey and other nonsense .
        And since the “simple” was more, the gear was not bad (not China), then they believed that TAM was all very nice and beautiful.

        Soldiers in Afghanistan were not happy to fight. They were not mercenaries there. They simply carried out the order that the Motherland gave them. And that later, with the dirty snouts of a new democratic government, grunted into their faces, "But I did not send you there!" But this is a textbook, not worth it.

        Quote: dna
        Why did the union melt like a snowman in May?


        And everything is simple: choked. They choked the unknown, but it was called freedom and restructuring. I remember by myself, I tried to understand several times what Gorbachev said when not by a piece of paper, but did not understand. Vocabulary mill. Let me analogy. Take drunkard. We will tie for a week to the bed and not an ounce of vodka. And then pour a glass. What will happen? This is it ...

        They just wanted something they wanted - they didn’t know (well, there were jeans, sausages, here one wrote that the USSR collapsed because there were no sausages), and when it became possible to grab a piece of something, then, as usual, for Russians, a distraught crowd rushed. Because there they give something. The Germans were given the GDR back. And they brought us Rama, Jupi, Zuko and cocoa cocoa. And, still spirit "grand piano". To each his own, depending on the level of development.
        so it turned out that they wanted to grab something and grabbed it. Look here for yourself.
        1. dna
          dna 31 August 2011 22: 11 New
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          Quote: Banshee
          The stupid thing was the iron curtain

          Here we have no dispute. In what would be without him, we most likely disagree. I suspect that without it, the economy, and power behind it, would collapse almost instantly, because too many of those on whom this economy stood would have left. Not all, of course, but too much for the economy to withstand it.
        2. dna
          dna 31 August 2011 23: 31 New
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          Quote: Banshee
          The soldiers in Afghanistan were not happy to fight. They were not mercenaries there. They simply complied with the order that was given to them by their homeland. And which then, already with the dirty snouts of the new democratic government, grunted in their faces "But I did not send you there!"

          There is also nothing to argue about. I don’t know the veterans of Afghanistan, but it’s clear that the soldier is fighting by order and is not responsible for power, especially if the army does not choose. In America, the same problem is with Vietnam veterans, who were also not there by choice. But now, even though the motherland gave the order, I don’t think that many thought that they were “fighting” for the motherland. For a homeland in a foreign land is difficult.

          Quote: Banshee
          Take a wino. tie a week to the bed and not a gram of vodka. And then pour a glass. What will happen?

          So if the analogy is that power tied a drunk to a bed, is it worth it to be sad for this power? Yes, the drunk has enough problems without the power that binds him to the bed. But after all, they were also not tied to the bed well-intentioned?
      2. Ivan35
        Ivan35 1 September 2011 21: 53 New
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        But this article seems harmful to me - I just make comments on the first page from the second page (Figvama and Marat - and you will excuse me for using your texts_

        Figvam

        No sane person can understand why our army was sent to Afghanistan. (this is a quote from the article)

        Ask why all the powers climb into Afghanistan, the author should start reading books.
        In our country, dozens of nationalities coexist.
        The article is an ordinary liberal.

        Marat

        this is an anti-soviet "liberal" article

        The anti-Soviet myths about "monstrous" repressions and "mass equalization" were dealt with in detail by the same Sergey Kara Murza and many other authors
        It's like a litmus test - an indicator of "liberal"

        Of course there were repressions - but rather in the "pre-Soviet period" - and there the liberal schemes are becoming more and more complicated - if the USSR it means repressions

        The author writes that blood will be shed when returning to the past - thereby dumping and discrediting both the restoration of socialism and the integration - integration of the republics

        Now Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan are integrating - quite capitalist - there is nothing there from repression and socialism - and this article harms this positive process - and arguments at the level of emotion - there will be repressions - or Estonians do not like Russians - that is, everything that looks like the USSR will be bad - promotes the idea of ​​the unnecessary revival of the union about the unnecessary integration, etc.

        That is, the article causes a negative immediately to the idea of ​​unification - and to the idea of ​​socialism
  6. Banshee 31 August 2011 09: 46 New
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    Reincarnation is impossible, if only because not everyone in the "fraternal family" turned out to be brothers. Balts, Georgia there ... It would cost. Not much and now weeping from their loss.
    Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan ... who wants, that will find the.

    As for the statement of Putin ... Yes, but do not forget who it said. Of course, his mind would not let the back in. For in the USSR, it would be unrealistic to steal for a GDP. What does he have to do there with his mind, if his mind here enriches him well. And GDP is not a fool for sure.

    In summary, I would like to note that the question again arises: the world is again divided, only on the 3 parts, we, the states, China. It remains only to see who Kondraty dolbanet before. And How. The third world began, the division of the world, too. We look at the last series.

    We then (the middle generation), if that, let us not let ourselves down, nor the Motherland (not to be confused with the state). But the Americans with their instinct of self-preservation can not stand.
    1. dna
      dna 1 September 2011 00: 19 New
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      Quote: Banshee
      the world is divided again, only in 3 parts, we, the states, China

      I doubt very much that the states or China imagine the situation like that. We must put up with the fact that at the moment Russia, as a pole of attraction, has left the world stage. By the way, the machinations of states against Russia at every step will cease to be daydreaming. Well, just not so much Russia is important to invest so much energy in the fight against it. And the war will not be "hot". The states have nothing to gain in an open war with Russia, and Russia, apart from protecting its own territory, can’t do anything now. Yes, and China, I also think with the states for a long time not hold out. And the point, the main thing, is not for anyone. Well, yes, the ancient dictatorships fell like dominoes. They have no future. This is not a redistribution of the world, but simply its natural development. With modern means of communication, closed dictatorships are simply not possible. They either collapse or adapt, like China.
      1. LESHA pancake
        LESHA pancake 6 September 2011 14: 40 New
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        RUSSIA NEEDS THE WORLD AS THE RAW'S RAW MATERIAL ADDITION TO COME FROM HEAVEN TO EARTH.
        1. Mesniy
          Mesniy 6 September 2011 17: 47 New
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          Not to be more exact. But she cannot offer anything else to the world.
      2. Mesniy
        Mesniy 6 September 2011 17: 48 New
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        Right! Respect and respect!
  7. Victor 31 August 2011 09: 49 New
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    The article is normal. There is a lot of truth in it. I was born in a union in an officer family, a reserve officer myself. I had to travel to all the republics. We lived and served in Moldova, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Lithuania, Ukraine, naturally in Russia where I still live. There wasn’t that brotherly love between nations that is so fashionable to talk about now. Yes, I still have some friends in the national republics, but the general background of relations between peoples was far from idyllic, which resulted in constant conflicts, especially between local youth and Russians. More or less, relations developed only with intillegences, and that was only because their children studied in Russian schools and understood our culture. Of course, in the Slavic republics it was much easier, then no one was allowed to shit each other’s head, although the Westerners did not like us even then. There is no need to drive all peoples into a single communal apartment again, and if the empire is revived, it is only in the form of a confederation, with clearly expressed mutual interests in the economy and military-political cooperation. Under these conditions, you can probably create a new union, but this will not be coercion, but a completely conscious choice of peoples.
    1. Banshee 31 August 2011 10: 35 New
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      Definitely. I said that coercion should not be. Although, when the USSR was created, no one was dragged either. Balts and zapadentsy - it was already there.
      And there was no love, yes. My visit to a colleague in Tallinn in 1990 began with a massacre right on the platform. not the train arrived evening.

      Mutual interest, of course, should be. Russia will always have something to offer, in addition to oil and gas.
      1. remserves
        remserves 31 August 2011 12: 31 New
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        [quote = Banshee] My visit to a colleague in Tallinn in 1990 began with a brawl right on the platform. My acquaintance, a boxer (Russian) from Tallinn, went to Pskov or Leningrad to rest in taverns just because it was impossible to fight with Estonians.
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          Well, I'm not a boxer ... And the patrols with black and blue bandages are well remembered. There was no fight as such, we honestly admit, in the 2 scenario, 8 preferred the shame of escape. What I do not regret at all, judging by what has openly begun later in Estonia.
    2. AleksUkr 31 August 2011 10: 47 New
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      Yes, indeed in many cases there was an appearance of fraternal relations. But, basically, people of different nationalities, religions and other differences helped each other, were accomplices in difficult times, sat in one trench and shared the last crust of bread. During the Second World War, this fraternal friendship was most pronounced. And only a blind person and offended by everyone and all because of his failure can not know this. Peoples are millions of people. Naturally, everyone has their own cockroaches in their heads. And they needed to be combined. And this, for the most part, succeeded on the basis of ideology, whether you liked it or not. In every small family, brothers and sisters also cannot always coexist peacefully. Ideology is a hoop on a barrel. There is - there is a barrel, no - a mountain of boards. So it is in our state. We invent fronts and other associations, but there is no unity. There are only ambitions. And they lead us into a dead end.
      1. solodova 31 August 2011 11: 01 New
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        I support you, AleksUkr. I agree, you might think Russian Russians do not beat. The trouble is that if Russian is Russian and Georgian is Georgian, this is regarded as anger at a specific person (family, group), and if Russian-Georgians fight, they will leave and think these Russian (Georgians) bastards. There is already hatred of the nation. Therefore, it is so easy to rekindle such discord. What, we have few lawless people in Russia? Yes, complete. And the titular nation, too. How about the brutal killings of homeless people, guest workers, and just caught in the way of citizens? Everything is not going smoothly here either.
        The main thing that can be saved from it is the attitude not as a representative of a nation, but as a Person. No need to transfer to the people signs of individuals. Are the Baltic states not tolerant to us (Georgians, Poles ..... and others)? They will grow up - they will understand. Clever and so understood everything. Regardless of the nation.
        1. Banshee 31 August 2011 12: 46 New
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          Well, the Poles, they know, for the most part, they are not tolerant to themselves ... Eccentrics with the letter M, if so.
      2. Banshee 31 August 2011 12: 45 New
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        The biggest ambush is that in order to discard all prejudices, it is necessary to BIGGEST trouble. Then yes, everyone gets up to fight, etc. But I can’t understand why there’s no trouble without an enemy?
        1. solodova 31 August 2011 13: 02 New
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          Riddles of the human psyche.))) (Why there is no way without an enemy) Who will solve it will unite the planet. Maybe the complexes .. are looking for someone to fight ... and who to blame if they blew it ...
          Russians, too, sometimes beat their own better ... (about the Poles)
          Big Trouble give rise to a unifying idea - to RESIST ..
          We don’t have enough ideas, before there was a victory of communism, now it’s not at all. Amerov propaganda works: the citizens of great America ... tolerance, political correctness ... blah blah blah ...
          We don’t have it now, the Russians don’t like their ex-brothers because they lived better in the USSR (parasites), and the Soviets are washing their brains with various ideas thrown in, like occupation and forced accession.
          IDEAS are not enough for us, about this probably every reason on the site already said.))
          And inside Russia, too, the work of the State Department does not subside ...
          1. chehywed 3 September 2011 19: 50 New
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            Or maybe the problem is that the Russians still have not realized themselves as a NATION? “We won’t help out in the fray, we will win in the war.” From the abolition of serfdom until October 17 — 56 years, too few to forget about slavery. And then we became Soviet, and now the GDP is broadcasting about the Russian nation. Russia is a multinational country and is the Russian people, but not a nation. And in my opinion the task of the state is to ensure equal conditions of existence and development for all the nations of Russia.
          2. solodova 6 September 2011 13: 39 New
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            and so the Soviets are washing their brains with various ideas thrown in, such as occupation and forced accession.

            not the State Department - the State Department, only now I noticed a mistake ... I apologize.
  8. Gur
    Gur 31 August 2011 09: 59 New
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    No one is talking about the full restoration of the USSR, both in the territorial and legal aspects .. They say and so far only dream .. to return power to the people or government that would take care of the people and the country, they say and dream .. to return the people, the country the right to rule their by natural resources, they also "dream" of returning to the people all the means of production that belong to them and the state. The state is primary .. business should be secondary ... And you don’t have to reduce everything to a banal .. to ice cream for 10 kopecks and cheap soda. This is not why we carry around .. but according to the normal attitude towards the people, to our history and achievement, and to the greatness of the country if you want. Do dissidents speak ?? This is a people who did not when they did not love not their people not their country. People living for themselves and for their own sake. People who do not want to work .. receiving dividends from pouring mud on their former homeland. Which happened to live up to the present day ... you are terrified at the fact that they or what they contributed to, tobish the result. War say ?? well, maybe you’re right. Much more spontaneously with the tacit consent to give up their positions in the world and betray their supporters. And losing on this not only a person but also money .. taxpayer money invested in these states. So far no one wants a revolution .. this is an extreme measure, but it is not excluded if such a state of affairs will be.
    1. dna
      dna 31 August 2011 10: 26 New
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      Interestingly, when did the people have power for the first time, to return it now? And there was never a government that especially cared for the people.

      Do you know where the people really have power, maybe even too much? In the states. And in any other adequately functioning democratic country. This is fraught with your own problems. A people consists of too many to behave meaningfully. It is easy to convince him with demagogy (a standard situation in the states). And when you live satisfyingly, the people finally can not give a damn. But in my opinion it’s still better than it was in the USSR.
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        Quote: dna
        An arode consists of too many to behave meaningfully. It is easy to convince him with demagogy (a standard situation in the states). And when you live satisfyingly, the people finally can not give a damn.


        A debilitated society is easier to manage, this is true. They are also doing with us now. Amerov even feel sorry. With them, this stage is passed. They made a cattle of the people applauding everything that is "in the interests of the United States," even if they do not understand what the interests are.
        But
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        In the states. And in any other adequately functioning democratic country
        here with you, few agree, I'm talking about the adequacy of the United States.
        1. dna
          dna 31 August 2011 23: 29 New
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          Quote: solodova
          here with you, few agree, I'm talking about the adequacy of the United States.

          Yes, I see that few commentators on this site agree. True, the USSR also seems to be adequate, few people think. If Western-type democracy does not suit, and it is impossible to return to the USSR, then what will we try next? Theocracy, like in Iran?
          1. Gur
            Gur 1 September 2011 08: 12 New
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            Assessing the situation with adequacy, everything was clear to me during the USSR .. who is the enemy and how politics will be built both inside and outside the country, so now the adequacy of our domestic and foreign policies causes only a smile .. and bewilderment ... you’re not the country but fabulous pull. And I also don’t understand "Western type democracy" - how is it ?? I understand that in the current world, Western democrats have their own democracies for each country, but in general the meaning and content of this concept should be the same for everyone.
          2. Che
            Che 2 September 2011 15: 02 New
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            as in Libya, read the green book of Muammar
        2. dna
          dna 31 August 2011 23: 53 New
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          A debilitated society is easier to manage, this is true. They are also doing with us now. Amerov even feel sorry. With them, this stage is passed.

          Nobody did anything maliciously with the people, neither in the USA nor in Russia. Without the methods that Stalin used, in general I doubt the possibility of engineering the whole people is possible. They use it, but only when the situation already takes place. When a people is well-fed and contented, a lack of interest in almost anything is its natural state. This of course does not apply to everyone without exception. Just out of many millions, most will always be so. And when power and corruption are interchangeable, from the managing house to the president, then I think the natural state of depression and fatalism, which are observed. In either case, enemy intelligence and other intruders have nothing to do with it. This is, in thermodynamics, energy minima. To move them, you need to make great efforts. It is advisable not in the form of repression, but in the form of a gradual removal of corruption. Moreover, this must be done from the bottom up - from the managerial house to the president - and not vice versa. On the contrary, people rejoice at the dictator-father, and then the borders are closed. Benevolent dictators who themselves move away from power when things are done are extremely rare.
          1. zardoz
            zardoz 1 September 2011 11: 43 New
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            As long as the state exists, corruption will exist. In the USA, corruption is legalized in principle - this is called lobbyism. Further, recently in Western films they began to often show how they give bribes. Previously, it was somehow not often shown. And about corruption scandals becoming more frequent? And there they steal in black. And about the total corruption - I have never paid a bribe for what an official should do according to the staff list.
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              zardoz,
              I agree with you. Corruption is everywhere, all over the world. The only question is its size. Problems - likewise - people all over the world have their own problems. Reasoning on the topic that, for example, an American lives in his America and thinks - ha, I live so well and everything is fine with me, and the rest have worse life - and babble! He also lives and thinks that the rulers of his native America are doing everything wrong, and that only he knows how to do one, another, third ... etc., etc.! Therefore, people, let us rejoice at life, keep our nose up, and let everyone in his place make his life, and at the same time the life of his country brighter, more joyful and comfortable! But to argue in the kitchens and scribble on the forums about problems and about how ALL THEY do everything wrong, and only I know how to do it - it's useless and not productive :)
          2. solodova 6 September 2011 10: 57 New
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            Quote: dna
            When a people is well-fed and contented, a lack of interest in almost anything is its natural state.

            In this matter, I somehow trust Maslow more.
            Anti-corruption
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            in the form of a gradual removal of corruption. Moreover, this must be done from the bottom up - from the managerial house to the president - and not vice versa.

            Explain action plans. Just do not write, please "do not give bribes."
  9. dmb
    dmb 31 August 2011 10: 04 New
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    It’s nice to be quoted, amusement prides. But I did not express my opinion at all for this. To satisfy personal ambitions, it is enough to write a short phrase like: "Osia and Kisa were here." I really wanted the author to find in my article at least one mention of the need to "drive" everyone into a new Union. After all, I spoke primarily about Russia, about my people and about its future. But on this occasion, the article does not say absolutely nothing. One can only speculate that the author sees it as a handful of states with borders within the current subjects, or even individual district centers. So it also passed. One drunkard, I remember broadcasting: "Take sovereignty as much as you want." Is it necessary to remind what kind of blood this has cost and is now costing our people.
  10. Trevis 31 August 2011 10: 35 New
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    There was a great country !!!
  11. solodova 31 August 2011 10: 40 New
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    We are now further to the Union than from the 17 year, alas.
    Now we need to restore Russia. Those who are in power now, unlike Kadaffi (as if someone did not belong to him) will run away to where their children study, mansions are bought and accounts are open. We will not deceive ourselves - take a look at what honor Gorbachev. The fight against corruption is the most important thing now. A lot of money is flowing away, aimed at good goals, but not reaching there.
    There are social programs. help. They are talked about a lot and loudly. For example, the program "Youth Affordable Housing" But I know 4 families who have registered with this program. In 2's of them there is housing, which was issued to outsiders, but actually live there, according to papers - in need of improving living conditions. The 1 family - in essence - is fictitious, as soon as they receive the money, they will run away, and the 1 family rebuilt the mansion, bought its own apartment, and received help. All by pulling.
    And I know one family that needed state assistance very much, And as internally displaced persons and as a large family. They were thrown off, forcing the whole family, for many years, to dangle into the regional center as a whole family —7 people. Now, 15 years later, they were left without help, without their housing. Children are already adults, and they themselves could join the program, but they no longer believe in it, because there is no blat and no money for bribes. POINT.
    There were no housing problems in the USSR. We also chose where to get an apartment and which one.
    And say what you want, how bad it was for everyone, how everyone went the same, how they all were exhausted .... But the birth and death rates speak for themselves.
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      Zhirinovsky’s smart phrases sounded like: "the well-being of the people needs to be measured in bricks, how much can he buy a brick for salary, without harming his family, to build a house? In the USSR, people could build houses, children had confidence in the future. And now? Who? of you can build a house for your son or buy an apartment for your salary? And we are not talking about the need to recreate the USSR, but about the need to return the system when the welfare of the people is paramount, and not please us with the number of billionaires and their length of yachts when people last hr without salt finish eating, sorry for the expression
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      Those who are in power now, unlike Kadaffi (as if someone did not belong to him) will run away to where their children study, mansions are bought and accounts are open.

      That is, how is it, unlike Gaddafi? Or do you mean that Gaddafi did not run away to where the mansions and children to study (just the other day I read that Gaddafi’s mansion in London would be “frozen” along with his other assets), but simply to where the first door was opened?
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      dna 1 September 2011 00: 38 New
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      The fight against corruption is the most important thing now.

      100% agree with you. With such corruption, there is no minimal trust in one’s own government — depression and fatalism, as I wrote somewhere above, respectively. And we must fight from the bottom up, and not vice versa.
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        If all the problems of corruption is just
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        depression and fatalism
        , then of course, everything can be solved from below - drink antidepressants and calm down.
  12. Owl
    Owl 31 August 2011 10: 49 New
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    it is necessary not to dream of a bright future and not to cry for a beautiful past, it is necessary with your labor, with your work. through their actions to do LIFE in the STATE with every minute, every day, until, unfortunately, only acceptable for development and existence (life is still far away)
  13. Banshee 31 August 2011 10: 50 New
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    There was no such thing. As it is not necessary to drive. And sovereignty stuffed with a spoon. And it's not about ice cream or soda (although it was surprising that while there was stagnation in the USSR, the automata with glasses stood, as did free Russia — the glasses immediately disappeared), these are just images. And the bottom line is that, really, BELIEVED the authorities, they believed in power and in the correctness of its actions and actions. And, you must agree, the middle generation, in those days, it was possible to find support in the government much more and faster than now.
    Russian people, he is ... somewhat chaotic. therefore, it is necessary to observe him more closely. And everything will be fine.
    Well, yummy give on time.

    I remembered one thing here ... In one of the articles they shouted for a long time on the topic "where the money from oil went, where the sausage got to" ... I remembered one fantastic thing: in the USSR it was possible to GET an apartment. Do not buy, do not take out a mortgage, but simply get from the state. Yes, not immediately. Yes, I had to stand in line. we got it in 1979. Parents stood in line since the wedding, that is 8 years. We would have stood longer, but my father was given the task to hand over this house to the plenum of the party, stuffed animal or carcass. And they promised an apartment in it. Well, he was gone for three months, because otherwise he could have been severely reprimanded. Passed, in general. Agreed with the military, drove 4 anti-aircraft searchlight and plastered in three shifts. perepetkurivat overhaul last year.

    Now, if modern tank packs would go to such a thing, you see, there would be no problems with the birth rate. And the people would have worked for it, as damned. As, actually, at the Union and was.

    I do not particularly favor returning. It was just a lot of clever and little frank rudeness on the part of the authorities. There is something to take from the recent past to a bright future, if such is foreseen.
  14. AleksUkr 31 August 2011 11: 01 New
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    The article, in my opinion, does not quite correctly interpret the past and reality. Thanks to our desire to be like the West, the USSR collapsed. I do not like egalitarianism; now it is not there. For example, I always expressed my personal opinion at any meeting, including a party one. Nobody threatened me with a lattice. People had the confidence that their children would receive an education, they would be cured in a medical institution, they could live normally, etc. d. Yes, there were no high salaries, all, or almost all, in society were equal. On the street, even at night it was possible to walk quietly. Look around - Lattices on the windows, and not only on the ground floors. Police with weapons. Beggars at every turn with outstretched hands. Complete chaos of officials. There is nothing to say about education and healthcare. Metal doors to apartments, tall fences of numerous new Russians. But what else can I say. The signs of "democracy", or rather permissiveness, are visible at every turn. Only the blind can not see this, and even such as the author and his support. It's only the beginning.
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      Perhaps most of all about the harm of so-called. Soviet equality says those who really wanted to grab, grab, pound. And in those days did not give. That is why, apparently, they needed this freedom.
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        But "grabber" and "grabber" from there, from the USSR, yes, there were fewer of them, but they rowed and ripped. But they did not shine openly. And the current grabbers are from there.
    2. dna
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      Quote: AleksUkr
      I do not like egalitarianism; now it is not there.

      Quote: Banshee
      Add:
      Perhaps most of all about the harm of so-called. Soviet equality says those who really wanted to grab, grab, pound. And in those days did not give. That is why, apparently, they needed this freedom.


      Unfortunately (and maybe fortunately - not for me to judge) I don’t think that anyone will be able to persuade a sufficient part of the people to voluntarily return to that equality so that this can be done without coercion. Nobody ever chose it for himself, and people will not vote for such a thing now. Apparently too many people believe in their ability to grab and rake in order to voluntarily transfer everything to the government for redistribution. And again, with the borders the question will arise. Those who are not trying to steal anything but their own hands and brains, release or not? What if so much is left that redistribution will be noticeably less?

      By the way, if you want an example of when people themselves voluntarily give part of the government’s contribution to redistribution or the common good, look specifically at the rotting Western democracies. They may be rotting, but people trust the government enough to pay taxes. Yes, the richest people hide a lot from taxes, even a lot. But still, the state has enough for an army and paved roads, and for individuals for apartments and cars, and without any queue. At least a sufficient portion of private individuals is enough to prevent revolutions. So why is it so worse than in the USSR?

      Yes, I don’t argue, at the moment in Russia it’s very little much better than it was in the USSR, and for the majority it is not better, or maybe even worse. But why do not democracy, as a model, suit you? She is on friendly terms with socialism. Not with people like in the USSR, when everyone had a little, but with people like in Western democracies (and he is everywhere, regardless of whether the citizens of those democracies admit to it) when people voluntarily pay taxes. And if they don’t want to, they leave. Yes, normal democracy has not yet been achieved in Russia, but this does not mean that it is not worth repairing, but it is better to completely reject it.
      1. zardoz
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        There is one small moment the “guarantor” of socialist acquisitions was just the USSR, paradoxically as it may be. But with its collapse, these acquisitions begin to gradually curtail. If China grows stronger so much that it can compete with the whole world as before the USSR, then perhaps these acquisitions will be reanimated again. And now the social program in the States and even in Europe is starting to grow loose. Yes, and there are a lot of homeless people, which I do not recall in the USSR. Our homeless people began to appear in the year 94
  15. erik777
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    Our cause is just, victory will be ours! I think only, or as Putin says, a man without a heart does not regret the collapse of the USSR.
    But the fact that the Soviet Union is gone forever, I do not agree. While faith and hope are still alive, the future is also alive. Current power infrom already 20 years trying to denigrate all the victories of our Soviet Fatherland. First of all, this is due to the fact that they can not do anything better. After all, think about it, 20 years have passed, and during this time NOTHING has been done. Our economy is alive as long as there is gas and oil in the bowels of our country. Russia has become a raw materials appendage. All military equipment more than 20-30 years. Everything remains for us from the once great power of the USSR. After all, there used to be 2 superpowers, we and the USA, but now there is only one.
    While there is such an opportunity, you need to use it. The Communist Party is not just an opposition party. We know what this party is, we saw the affairs of this party, we lived with the name of the leader of the party on the lips for almost 70 years! Therefore, in 2012, in the elections, you need to make the right choice, and finally understand that Russia does not have a future capitalist, there is no capitalism with a human face.
    FOR OUR SOVIET MOTHERLAND! HOORAY!
    1. solodova 31 August 2011 12: 13 New
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      I agree with the text, of course. But I think these photos are a little redundant on this site ... I think this discredits the Communist Party.
      But you have to go to the polls.
      1. zczczc
        zczczc 31 August 2011 14: 20 New
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        Look at the URL of these pictures:



        1. LESHA pancake
          LESHA pancake 6 September 2011 13: 50 New
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          COMPLETELY AT YOU PROPAGANDA WORKS WELL.
    2. Evgan
      Evgan 31 August 2011 13: 28 New
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      Quote: erik777
      We know what this party is, we saw the affairs of this party, we lived with the name of the leader of the party on the lips for almost 70 years!


      I did not live. Born in the USSR. Do not speak for everyone.
  16. remserves
    remserves 31 August 2011 11: 12 New
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    The article is worthless, the impression is that the author works by order, secretly sharing the views of his opponent. It is clear to everyone who thinks that the USSR of Stalin and the USSR of Brezhnev are different countries. To form the image of the state with the help of: ..... all kinds of periodicals, this is the right (and obligation) of any state. Agree, the USSR had more reasons to do this. Now any inscription on the fence where the word "democracy" is mentioned evokes a gamut of feelings, rarely positive, among the people. I do not want to draw far-reaching conclusions about the competence and adequacy of the author who came up with this article. It is necessary to read the literature. I can offer:
    -http: //parshev.r52.ru/book/index.phtml
    -http: //pravdu.ru/lessons/efimov/
    Analyst M. Khazina
    - author and performer of TROFIM
    it is better if the author quits his job for the time of enlightenment (it still provides, probably, oil or financial flows)
    Nothing ended the desire to solve the national issue. Personally, I was in full F .... the Russians stuck. And they were pulled out by Russians, Ukrainians, Udmurts (maybe someone else, I was unconscious). Why can't I consider them brothers?
    1. LESHA pancake
      LESHA pancake 6 September 2011 14: 36 New
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      WHICH DISAPPOINTMENT IN LIFE DON'T DRINK BY THE SPIRIT WE WILL SUPPORT YOU.
  17. voin-xnumx
    voin-xnumx 31 August 2011 11: 54 New
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    After reading the article, and then komenty plunged into it during the Soviet era. In fact, everyone who answered the article lived in that era. The reviews are very different, I’ll add really nostalgia not about the fact that soda was cheap, but about the attitude of the state towards its people, about the citizen’s confidence in the future. Without going into the jungle of “+” and “-”, I recall one moment: how we were, and who was already collecting children by September 1. Everything just came to the library, got a set of textbooks, mother stroked her uniform, grandmother brought flowers and forth. And now to collect a child is a whole story, all summer you try to find and buy textbooks of a certain author, year, publishing house, you select costumes by color, style, etc. crap. I'm not talking about all kinds of investments such as repairs, security, funds, etc. With such a pace, we will soon return to 3-year education, and our children will forget their native language. And with the zombie box, everything about NANO technology is taldychat.
  18. Patriot
    Patriot 31 August 2011 12: 08 New
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    I agree with you. But what is happening now? These liberals are destroying the whole country.

    By the way, people. Tell me, please, otherwise I can’t do it.
    Why do we need a president who:
    1, allegedly leaving for investment in the states, he is promoting a new iPhone there, raises the semi-poisonous legs of a bush on our market and signs an agreement on the purchase of 50 Boes for several billion dollars
    2 which he gave to a potential enemy - a NATO member
    170 sq. km of our water area rich in fish and mineral resources?
    For me personally, this information was news. Here are the links
    http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1361676
    http://blog.kob.tomsk.ru/982
    http://pravdorub-russ.livejournal.com/11760.html
    3-which does not lend to our economy and the real sector, but keeps all the money in the United States in dollars and US bonds
    The list goes on.
    By the way, his predecessor is also good. Damascus Island also passed to China.
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      I want to add bush legs. Somehow, at work, I saw the internal documentation of a “domestic” very large producer of chicken meat. So - all in English! What would not be clear! They feed the birds growth hormones in huge quantities, according to the US technology, and it is not known what else they feed us with! The Americans are already poisoning us in our territory. People go to the label of a domestic manufacturer and buy. Cigarettes, vodka, juices, everything is not ours! Profit is invested in new projects, there is nothing left of ours. This is a hidden occupation.
      The news that you are talking about was announced on news channels - by a running line, under the bright video sequences of a different theme. About the island I saw only once a little runner .... They inform only about what they need.
      Probably someday like this, a running line will pass a message that Russia has come under US rule .........
  19. erik777
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    This photo is from the author (from me personally) I am not a member of the party, this is just my opinion expressed through the picture.
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      photo poster - right!
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      my personal opinion is similar to yours. ))))
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    but about the attitude of the state towards its people, about the confidence of a citizen in the future.


    Most importantly, it seems to me. What can not be now just by definition.
  21. Rico1977 31 August 2011 12: 55 New
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    There is no choice anyway - either we will be crushed to pieces and destroyed, or we will begin to unite. Our country cannot stand still, we are too big and rich, and therefore, like a bicycle, we either move forward (integration, development, dissemination of cultural influence, the development of new territories), or stop (and then collapse, degradation, imitation of not our values , ultimately the loss of territories). As soon as we stop, they begin to squeeze us, tear to pieces, bleed. The whole world will participate in our section with pleasure, and no one will come to our aid, except for our army and navy. And therefore we are so actively discussing this article now - everyone understands this and thinks about it. As the USSR fails, the idea of ​​paradise on earth is false and not feasible. But if there is a standing national idea and the leader who upholds it, a country will appear and is bigger and stronger than the USSR (thanks in large part to the Pindos, the planet craves justice). And so most likely it will be (at least all the soothsayers were so annoying).
  22. Patriot
    Patriot 31 August 2011 14: 05 New
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    And more ...
    I understand correctly, the two largest airports Domodedovo and Sheremetyevo have long been privatized and this is private property. Moreover, it is so private that even Prezik-Dima still probably does not know who his owners are (as he complained immediately after the terrorist attack in Domodedovo).

    So tell me why the state is building a strip for the owners of the ball for our money?
    http://www.rbcdaily.ru/2011/08/31/industry/562949981372148
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    zczczc 31 August 2011 14: 14 New
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    I can explain why our army was sent to Afghanistan - to cut down plantations of drugs with our own hands, and not by negotiating with someone there like "cut down, please, opium plantations, otherwise your opium is coming to us ...", as now a madhouse this one on TV. And to reduce the influence of Pakistan in the region.
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      Plantations could be flooded with herbicides (bromacil), dipholyants (monurol) from the air, there would still be nothing to grow, given the water exchange in Afghanistan.
      1. zczczc
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        So now, in theory, you can fill in, just fill in?
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          So why did the Communists need to introduce infantry units? If the Air Force (10 pieces. IL-76 + cover) would cope with this task, the serious air defense forces of the Afghan army in 1979. did not have.
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            zczczc 1 September 2011 23: 06 New
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            Once again I say - who would give something to pour? Is it going to pour on the head of their planters? Well then, they would have been deservedly accused of genocide, and even at that time there were no such accurate data on all fields. Do you propose to pour at all? :)

            Well, kindergarten, by golly. To fill in, one has to enter one way or another, and to enter - this is war.
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    Regarding Damansky and Bolshoi Ussuriysky, we have in the Far East. On the telly, there was infa, and not just on telly, Internet newspapers, print media all wrote (ort news 24, NTV, tape.ru, foreign media etc.), the current is even from Westerners ( all that part of the population living from Yakutia and beyond the Urals) there was no reaction, everyone watched the news, waved a hand and told themselves to give the Kuril Islands to the Japanese, and there would be peace and quiet.
  25. Patriot
    Patriot 31 August 2011 17: 53 New
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    arbit

    And so they can after all pull away the whole country. And, all this is indifference due to the fact that there is no national spirit in the country, patriotism ...
  26. erik777
    erik777 31 August 2011 18: 59 New
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    But in the USSR, patriotism was very strong. Because from childhood we watched our good cartoons, films about the war, from childhood we first became October Revolutionaries, then pioneers, then Komsomol members. This both strengthened the spirit and instilled patriotism. And now the state shit from a high hill on all this. Children watch from childhood: spidermen, batmen, etc. In the courtyards (except for expensive solid, major), often either there is no or in a terrible state of the site. And the children are forced to climb between garages and stumble there on syringes, bottles, etc. I have a feeling that the government purposefully demoralizes the people. After all, we know that in the USA there is a “statue of liberty”, but we forget or don’t know that we have a “Motherland - Mother” The iron curtain fell, and in 20 years everything that couldn’t get to us hit with terrible force, it’s just uncultured society in the country is growing, which, in a war with the same America, is more likely to either sell everything with patrons, surrender before the start of the battle, or go over to their side.
    PS But really ask yourself the question: are we able to repel the NATO attack? START III was recently completely signed by Russia and the USA, now we will have no more than 1550 nuclear warheads, the United States has deployed missile defense systems from all sides along the perimeter of Russia's borders as soon as they realize that our warheads can still be intercepted from Soviet times. They will immediately attack us. After all, we really don’t have an army, weapons and equipment are all 20-30 years old. People are demoralized, pumped up by alcohol, drugs, debauchery. So, the still functioning Soviet-made “Nuclear Shield” is saving us. But Putin and Medvedev continue to reduce strategic warheads, begun by Gorbachev.
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      dna 1 September 2011 01: 28 New
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      But really ask yourself the question: are we able to repulse the NATO attack?

      I don’t know, is Finland able to? Is the finals worth worrying about? NATO aggression does not threaten Russia - Russia does not need NATO.

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      as soon as they understand that our warheads from Soviet times can still be intercepted. They will immediately attack us.

      Do not worry, this will not happen.
      1. zczczc
        zczczc 1 September 2011 02: 24 New
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        Weaken and take away resources - they definitely need it. And they already received it for 80%.
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          To weaken - I agree. But not in the sense that it was worse for people to live (they have nothing against Russian citizens, or at least more than Russian citizens have against Americans), but in the sense that they are not afraid of more aggression from the heirs of the USSR.

          But take away the resources - they don’t pay for oil, or what? They are not to blame for the fact that the Russian oligarchs do not invest in the development of the country, but in the Chelsea Club. If you blame the West forever for all the internal problems of Russia, then nothing will ever change. For development, it is imperative that oligarchs pay appropriate taxes. The West is not to blame for the fact that they do not, and no one asks them to do it.
          1. zczczc
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            In short, they have such a plan - to divide the country into countries-regions in the same way as they divided the USSR into country-republics. And in every country, the brains of the local elites to brainwash so that they "culture" like Libya.

            The oligarchs are a tool, not a goal.
            1. LESHA pancake
              LESHA pancake 6 September 2011 13: 51 New
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              OLIGARCHS THIS ENEMY ENEMY ALL EXHAUST FROM THE COUNTRY.
              1. Mesniy
                Mesniy 8 September 2011 22: 21 New
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                unfortunately they are not sucking from the ass ...
    2. Mesniy
      Mesniy 8 September 2011 22: 19 New
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      If so, so in Nazi Germany, patriotism was also very strong, this is typical of totalitarian regimes, and they tend to come to a complete collapse.
  27. Drevnij
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    LETTER TO THE SOVIET COMMUNISTS.

    Dear Soviet Communists! I’m not authorized to speak for everyone, because it may well be that some people in the USSR lacked bandits, prostitutes, executioners, unemployment, corruption officials, terrorist attacks, inflation, ethnic conflicts, refugees, paid education and paid medicine, stupid TV shows and mediocre pops on television, churches, mosques and synagogues, drug addiction, pedophiles, Ksyusha Sobchak, Kursavel for some and trash for others, defaults and economic crises, monetization of conscience and the capitalization of humanity. I can only speak for myself. Because personally, all of the above was completely unnecessary to me. Between us, not everything worked out well for you, but something did not work out at all, but, looking at what happened after you left, I officially declare I have no complaints to you anymore !!!
    1. figwam 31 August 2011 19: 48 New
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      Ancient! Well done, well written!
      I am glad that more and more people understand the utopianism of our system.
      Forward to Socialism and Justice.
      1. zczczc
        zczczc 31 August 2011 19: 58 New
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        He didn’t write it - http://www.sovross.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=58420

        But not the point. The main thing is not to emasculate ideas, like the KPLO art project.
      2. Mesniy
        Mesniy 5 September 2011 17: 58 New
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        Duck Sovdepiya already merged into the toilet of history.
    2. svvaulsh
      svvaulsh 31 August 2011 20: 02 New
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      Quote: Drevnij
      I officially declare I have no complaints to you anymore !!!


      Well said! After 20 years of shit democracy, I draw exactly such conclusions.
    3. Mesniy
      Mesniy 5 September 2011 17: 57 New
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      And I have. Because all the crap comes from the damned Soviet Depot past. Not one communal activist of any level did not die of hunger - everyone was attached and not bad. Almost everyone who steers now is former communist and Komsomol leaders.
      It’s ridiculous to say that the bastard Basayev is a former Komsomol activist. What can we say about the rest? Yes, and the bandits are prostitutes not from America — their own, native compatriots, communists and Komsomol members!
      And what * amno do not dig - everywhere the legs of the Soviets grow!
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        zardoz 5 September 2011 18: 05 New
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        So where does the Soviepie have to do with it?
      2. mitrich
        mitrich 5 September 2011 18: 10 New
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        Mesniy,
        Looking at your avatar, I see a man, not quite sober, of course.
        And reading the comment - I see Novodvorskaya V.I. Even vocabulary is one to one.
        Let's admit, old pepper shaker, are you dirty? Since then, you fool, how they didn’t let you go to Vietnam to fight, quite rightly thrusting you in a psychiatric hospital, is that how you are at war with the “Sovdepiya”?
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          Mesniy 6 September 2011 10: 26 New
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          Looking at your nickname - I understand - a limited scoop, and looking at an avatar - also a faceless redneck
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            Well, come to direct insults ...
            Mesniy, merge and you into the toilet of history.
            I don’t know which is better - the lack of an avatar, or an erysipelas taken from tyrnet, clearly not disfigured by intellect.
            Or am I wrong, and this is your photo?
            Then the question is cleared.
        2. LESHA pancake
          LESHA pancake 6 September 2011 13: 53 New
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          HAHAHA NU MIXED MITRICH.
        3. MichaelVl
          MichaelVl 6 September 2011 14: 32 New
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          Mitrich,
          1 + !!
          It’s a pity that it is no longer possible, so I would put +5 :))))))))))
  28. vlbelugin 31 August 2011 20: 59 New
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    The entry of our troops into Afghanistan was justified by the fear of the location of the Pershing (medium-range missiles) by the Americans there. Pershing covered the entire European part of the USSR. The Chinese with their missiles blocked the Far East and Transbaikalia. Remained inaccessible zone - the Urals. When installing the Pershing in Afghanistan, the Urals also found themselves in the strike zone. And the Urals is a very tidbit and must be destroyed by the first salvos after missile bases.
    Pershing flight time 10-15 minutes. It is extremely difficult to answer (then we had the doctrine of retaliation). We would end up in a very tight ring. Moreover, the Americans would have made launches not from their territory.
    Naturally this was not written in the newspapers.
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      Is there any link to the source of information? I also heard this once, although I don’t remember where. True, it’s strange for me - H. Amin was like a communist
    2. Mesniy
      Mesniy 5 September 2011 18: 04 New
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      The old communist for those who only saw a map on a pack of Belomor.
      What prevented these "terrible Pershing" from being established in Pakistan and Turkey?
      I’ll answer! -Pershing in Europe is the answer to the Sovdepovskoy military threat on the European theater of war, against thousands of Sovdep tanks in East Germany, etc.
      And the perching in Afghanistan - yes, only an illiterate farmer can believe in it. Well, and shell-shocked commons nonsense in all his head.
  29. Max79 31 August 2011 21: 34 New
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    No one asks the guys to return in those days, especially God forbid in the 30s.
    Heads in order to analyze and on the basis of mistakes build a country, but build competently! We were shitty, but more or less evenly lived in those days. And if the dough were not allocated to the "fraternal bl ... kim" countries we would have lived happily ever after. (notice would be)
    Consider at that time there was a military industrial complex, and now the defense industry. And this and the arms race and bl..co-fraternal countries and a huge write-off of debts!
    Consider the loot !!!!
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      Happiness is not in the dough!
  30. Max. M.M
    Max. M.M 1 September 2011 03: 29 New
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    If the Russian government would be smarter, it would destroy the Americans with their own weapons. That is, before the presidential election, the United States bribed for a lot of money, or hypnotized in some way, the future president of the United States, and if the President of America starts the election, then he followed all the orders of the Russian Federation!
    1. dna
      dna 1 September 2011 05: 14 New
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      Well, these are expensive technologies that only the CIA can afford. But Russia cannot yet - it has not sold enough oil.
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        They sold enough ... Sp% lived more than enough ...
      2. Mesniy
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        Russia has enough oil to spare so that the teddy bears in their elections to push through, the rest does not remain ....
  31. Max. M.M
    Max. M.M 1 September 2011 07: 21 New
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    almost everyone can have hypnosis. the main thing is to be able to apply it and possess it.
  32. SAVA
    SAVA 1 September 2011 11: 46 New
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    People lived and would live for themselves slowly solving their problems, settling in life, but there are too many annoying irritants, problems on a national scale and they are solved very slowly or even not solved at all. Everyone is tired of the established order of things, and therefore people are thinking "WHAT TO DO?" .
  33. Patriot
    Patriot 1 September 2011 17: 23 New
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    Max. M.M

    If the Russian government would be smarter, it would destroy the Americans with their own weapons. That is, before the presidential election, the United States bribed for a lot of money, or hypnotized in some way, the future president of the United States, and if the President of America starts the election, then he followed all the orders of the Russian Federation!


    Respected. It’s time for a long time to face the truth and understand that the current power in the Russian Federation is a protege of the West and America as well. Remember who destroyed our country in 1991, to whom it was beneficial, and whom they brought to power. EBN. America's first friend.
    And since then nothing has changed ebn TRANSFERRED GOVERNMENT OF GDP, GDP passed to DAMS, LADIES ALSO TO SOMEONE DECIDES TO TRANSFER.
    And you say democracy, free elections.

    SAVA
    What to do? THE AUTHORITY NEEDS TO CHANGE.
    1. Mesniy
      Mesniy 5 September 2011 18: 08 New
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      Correctly! - All the communal creeps of 1917 - ate from the hands of the German General Staff
  34. 916-th
    916-th 1 September 2011 20: 00 New
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    You can recall many philosophical wisdom types:
    - you can’t enter the same river twice
    - development goes in a spiral
    - time to throw stones, time to collect stones, etc.

    The historical truth is that the former USSR cannot be returned unless, in the spirit of an alternative history, it landed the “popadants” landing in the Soviet past, eliminated all mistakes, removed all risks and paved the way for a brighter future.

    But the future is without us, because we will remain in our reality - with our leaders standing guard over the interests of oligarchic capital, with our corrupt officials who have grown together with organized crime, with the cult of dough and consumerism, with lack of spirituality and fragmentation of society.

    Of course, this will not go anywhere and will not resolve - this is a self-preserving and self-sustaining system. The degradation of Russia will take place slowly and imperceptibly, without internal or external disasters, stretched over time, so that people slowly get used to it and do not notice how they are killing it.

    Only a new force will probably be able to turn the tide, give Russia a positive impetus for development, since all existing political parties are just extras with pre-defined roles. What is this power? Perhaps this is a "man with a gun", junior and middle officers, hard workers of the army and navy, those in which the concepts of honor and patriotism are still alive. Those are the only ones who can still sincerely say: "It's a shame for the state!"
    1. SAVA
      SAVA 1 September 2011 22: 37 New
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      We must first at least just walk and talk with the people, talk about what we think ourselves, try to open our eyes to people at every opportunity, cite programs such as Postscript, Moment of Truth. To criticize some snickering power structures, as if they were in a frying pan, the "informers" will report and maybe they will come to their senses. Although Putin, in my opinion, will be better than all current leaders of all republics. But without youth, we can’t do it in the future as future citizens of the country, and therefore who should work with them otherwise they will arrange such a “fun” life for us with their “Hollywood upbringing”.
    2. zczczc
      zczczc 1 September 2011 23: 15 New
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      So they will be shot in the literal or figurative sense faster than they will unite in two cities.
  35. kentonella
    kentonella 2 September 2011 20: 31 New
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    No sane person can understand why our army was sent to Afghanistan. No one in the world understands what our rulers in Angola wanted to achieve. (Author Valentin Afonin)
    _____________________________________________
    It is not clear another! Why on earth did the author classify himself as a sane person if he immediately admits his misunderstanding ???

    1. Afghanistan (shortly). Afghanistan and Pakistan embarked on the communist path. In Pakistan, this case was stopped by the radicalization of Islam and a stupid coup. The same scenario developed in Afghanistan, but he turned to the USSR for help. So there was OgrKonSovVoysk. There was a chance and Pakistan to return to our orbit, because there were still strong pro-Bhutto-vskie mood. Thus, the USSR would enter India with 1,5 billion Indians who were very sympathetic to the Soviet Union. A social camp of 2 billion people is an almost complete victory of the USSR over the Anglo-Saxons.

    2, Angola (well, at least I opened Wikipedia before scamming my site with my pussy). Portuguese colony - Angola declared independence. The first president of Angola is the leader of the pro-Soviet MPLA group Agostinho Neto. A civil war broke out for power in the country between the pro-Soviet MPLA and the pro-American UNITA and FNLA. Well read: American. What is the interest of the USA there? The economy of Angola is based on the extraction and export of oil - 85% of GDP. Thanks to the oil component, the country's economy is the fastest growing among sub-Saharan Africa. Industry - Mining Oil, diamonds, iron ore, phosphate, bauxite, uranium, Gold. The Soviet Union seemed to have had enough of this good, but there was no reason to give Angola and its resources into slavery to the States. Why give the enemy the opportunity to replenish free resources?
    1. Mesniy
      Mesniy 5 September 2011 18: 10 New
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      Pakistan on the COMMUNIST WAY? What do you smoke and where do you get it?
      1. kentonella
        kentonella 5 September 2011 21: 53 New
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        Being a tough politician, Bhutto decided on drastic changes in the state and put forward the slogan: “Islam is our faith, democracy is our form of power, socialism is our economic system.” He called for "restoring democracy" by proposing a program of economic reform called "Islamic socialism." He was arrested and imprisoned (1968-1969).

        The head of state, Bhutto, has a problem with East Pakistan. After members of the British Commonwealth recognized the independence of Bangladesh, he announced the withdrawal of Pakistan from the Commonwealth. In July 1972, Bhutto agreed with Indira Gandhi on the withdrawal of Indian troops from the border and the consolidation of army positions in Kashmir. Bhutto abolished martial law, and after the adoption of the new constitution in 1973, which made the post of president purely ceremonial, he took over as prime minister. He also held the posts of ministers of foreign affairs, defense and internal affairs.

        Having concentrated huge power in his hands, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto set about implementing the ideas of Islamic socialism. The new government has embarked on the development of good relations with neighboring countries, on the elimination of political and economic dependence on the United States. In 1973, Pakistan announced its withdrawal from the SEATO bloc. The Bhutto government has nationalized all private banks, educational institutions, insurance companies, and heavy industry enterprises.

        In the general elections in March 1977, the PNP won. Opposition leaders claimed that the results of the vote were rigged and launched a protest campaign (Ukraine Maidan). In response, Bhutto arrested opposition leaders and established martial law in the country's largest cities. Mass unrest began in the country, which was harshly suppressed by the government, which gave rise to a military coup. July 5, 1977 Bhutto was arrested. The coup was led by Muhammad Ziya-ul-Haq.
  36. nickname bj
    nickname bj 2 September 2011 21: 58 New
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    At that time, when the Baltic republics were eager for an "exit", I personally thought that if they rolled down wherever they wanted ...
    I now believe that the Russian Federation should cease to exist as a subject.
    It would be more correct to organize a confederation of republics with self-government and the delegation of certain powers "up." There would be more order.
    1. Mesniy
      Mesniy 5 September 2011 18: 10 New
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      And soon it will be so.
      The collapse of the rashka is not far off ...
      1. DAGESTAN333 6 September 2011 10: 48 New
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        Mesniywhy are you so angry, where so much hatred comes from?
        1. Mesniy
          Mesniy 6 September 2011 10: 52 New
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          I'm not evil, I really look at things, and half of those who unsubscribe here live in categories of the last century
          1. DAGESTAN333 6 September 2011 10: 59 New
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            Well, so be it, but if we hate all the time, (what I understand from your comments is the prevalence of hatred over your other feelings), is there anything other than war and conflict?
            1. Mesniy
              Mesniy 6 September 2011 11: 24 New
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              I hate only the idiots who drag the country into the Middle Ages and impose their views on the rest. If you don’t fight them, there will definitely be a war!
              And good must be with fists ...
              1. DAGESTAN333 6 September 2011 12: 16 New
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                Mesniy, you will not be a fool just because I called you that, or vice versa. Each of us did not come to his worldview in three days. For starters, I suggest respecting each other and avoiding insults. And it will turn out like the old-fashioned way - whoever has a bigger fist is right ... ... we must try to prevent this ...
                1. solodova 6 September 2011 13: 45 New
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                  Dagestan333, dear, do not mark the beads before Mesnoy. Its role is to breed cf ... h and get visitors to the forum, distracting them with their insulting comments. He is not looking for the truth here, but either fulfills the money, or so, grimaces.
                  1. LESHA pancake
                    LESHA pancake 6 September 2011 13: 55 New
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                    EVERYONE HAS DISADVANTAGES.
                  2. dmb
                    dmb 6 September 2011 14: 11 New
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                    Maybe I will repeat if I say that the presence on the site of "local" is very good. Even if this is a way of self-expression (well, it’s kind of like running around naked on Red Square), then in this case it gives us the opportunity to once again be convinced of a large number of normal people, both on the site and in the country. If he believes in what he writes, then the wretchedness of his arguments, or rather their complete absence, will help us confirm the correctness of our beliefs.
                    1. Mesniy
                      Mesniy 7 September 2011 14: 26 New
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                      You have logic like a drunk - goes into a cheap eatery and makes sure - most are "normal people"
                      So there are minorities like me on this site - like sober in a gadyushnik ...
                      1. dmb
                        dmb 7 September 2011 14: 34 New
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                        And you can imagine and vice versa. The drunk went into the library. The logic is the same, but no arguments are heard to justify the position.
                  3. Mesniy
                    Mesniy 6 September 2011 15: 56 New
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                    It’s interesting, how can money be worked out at SUCH FORUM? Well, why write frank nonsense?
                    1. solodova 6 September 2011 16: 07 New
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                      And at what FORUM can you work out the money? Have any experience?
                      So it’s simple - you are grimacing.
                      1. Mesniy
                        Mesniy 6 September 2011 17: 39 New
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                        I express my thoughts and vision of the situation. Well, "grimacing" - I leave it on your conscience (if there is one)
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                        I think you about her, about conscience, in general, only by hearsay know.
                        And about grimacing - did you carefully examine your avatar? And if you consider yourself entitled to call people cattle, Russia a rash and idiots of regular visitors to the site, and call it
                        Quote: Mesniy
                        I express my thoughts and vision
                        then consider my expressions regarding you my "vision of the situation"
              2. MichaelVl
                MichaelVl 6 September 2011 14: 40 New
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                I think Mesnoy’s fists are also small :)
                This is generally not a fish, not some meat.
                Komunyaki is bad, medve-put is also bad. Comrade has cereal in his head! Although, no, porridge is when it is not clear that everything is mixed up, and he has a clear denial of everything and everyone.
                Mesniy, be simple :) And although not, it’s more fun with you, you raise the mood with your thorns, continue !! :)
                1. LESHA pancake
                  LESHA pancake 6 September 2011 14: 43 New
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                  FUNNY GUY.
                  1. DAGESTAN333 6 September 2011 15: 48 New
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                    Guys, you cry, I'm afraid that this Mesniy, at heart an ordinary person, such as us, but by coincidence (ran into rudeness, unlucky) decided simply out of resentment to be rude to the left and to the right.
                    1. Mesniy
                      Mesniy 6 September 2011 16: 14 New
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                      Oddly enough, I’m really an ordinary person, and I don’t have hooves with horns, and those whose rudeness I have run into in life have much more reasons to complain about bad luck ...
                      But one thing really upsets me - that for many decades the people of this country have not been able to achieve the establishment of a government that respects it and ceases to turn it into cattle.
                      By the way. I am certainly harsh, I often do it in my life, but I didn’t be rude to the right and left. And I got a lot of boorish comments with a change in personality!
                    2. mitrich
                      mitrich 6 September 2011 16: 29 New
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                      MESNIY,
                      Personally, if I read, I offended V. Novodvorskaya, and not you, because your comments do not differ from her sayings ANYTHING.
                      And secondly, calling the country in which you most likely live “rashka”, and its citizens “cattle,” did you expect that they would begin to build a monument in verses to you? There are many people here for whom the Motherland is not only not an empty phrase, but who fought for it.
                      So you will continue in the same vein - you are unlikely to read anything good about you ...
                    3. Mesniy
                      Mesniy 6 September 2011 17: 42 New
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                      Well, by comparison with Novodvorskaya, I'm somewhat flattered, I don’t need a monument, I’ll live for now, but as for the rest, it’s really possible that I offended someone. I’m sorry.
                    4. Mesniy
                      Mesniy 7 September 2011 14: 22 New
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                      But Novodvorskaya should not be offended, she is not on the site, she cannot answer. And for her views she had to endure a lot - not everyone can. And she did not hide in the bushes.
              3. Mesniy
                Mesniy 6 September 2011 16: 04 New
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                And to be sad, everything is fine, let's go to the bottom ...
            2. Mesniy
              Mesniy 6 September 2011 16: 04 New
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              And simplicity is said worse than thieves!
              But seriously, it’s very simple - I want Russia to have a political system like in the countries of the European Union and the entire civilized world. So there is no complete denial (except for what is now in Russia and what happened during the sovdepiya), nor what porridge. I strongly support democratic values.
              I'm glad that someone cheered up.
              PSA fists are quite normal, the case was checked, ate ....
              1. MichaelVl
                MichaelVl 6 September 2011 16: 39 New
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                Mesniy
                Well, now I even spoke in normal words without injections :)
                Be healthy!
                1. Mesniy
                  Mesniy 6 September 2011 17: 14 New
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                  And do not cough, you might think before that I spoke Albanian ...