Why did we lose the Cold War?

Many believe that in the 1980-ies the Soviet Union technically lagged behind the United States. However, we did not lose the Cold War due to a technical lag. Everyone knows that our techies were much cooler than technical specialists of a potential opponent. Our equipment was also no worse, and in some ways even better than in Western countries. Maybe we lost it because of the economic lag? Also not true. Gorbachev called the last years of Brezhnev reign a period of stagnation. However, in fact, the stagnation in the economy was not with Us, but with Them.

Why did we lose the Cold War? If for 1980-84 of the year, the national income of the USSR increased by 19%, then in the USA this growth barely reached six. At 14% over the same years, we have increased productivity. In the US, this figure was only 3% over the years. At the same time, such years as 1980 and 1982 were in America for years not of growth, but of fall. So, in 1980, the drop in production was 3,6%, and in 1982 - 8,2%. Industrial production in our country during the XI five-year period (1981-86) increased by 18%, while in America this growth was only one percent. And, most importantly, real income per capita increased in our country by 13%, while in the US they decreased by 9%. In 1983, the national income of the USSR was equal to 66% of the US. The volume of industrial production was from the US 80%. The share of the USSR in world industrial production was 21%. Now, however, the share of all countries of the former USSR, including Russia, is only about 3%. In the production of pig iron, our country exceeded the USA by 2,86 times, and by steel - by 2,14 times. Yes, by some indicators, the US was ahead of us, but by most of them, as can be seen from the following table, drawn up, by the way, according to the CIA, We were ahead of the US

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USA

Grain production 211 million tons 281 mt
Milk production 103 million tons 65 mt
Potato production 76 million tons 16 mt
Oil production 11,9 million barrels / day 8,3 million barrels / day
Gas production 25,7 trillion cubic feet 17,1 trillion. cc feet
Coal mining 517 mt 760 mt
Iron production 162 mt 81 mt
Cement production 128 mln. 63,9 mln.
Aluminum production 3,0 mln. 3,3 mln.
Medium production 1,0 mln. 1,6 mln.
Iron Ore Mining 114 mln. 44 mln.
Bauxite mining 7,7 mln. 0,5 mln.
Car production 1,3 ppm 7,1 million pcs.
Truck production 0,9 ppm 3,8 million pcs.
Housing construction 12 sq. M. meters 20 sq. M. meters
Gold mining 10,6 million tons oz 5,0 million tonnes.

Maybe the gap in the standard of living between Them and Us is to blame?

And this is also not true. Our objective standard of living was no lower than in the United States. In 1983-85 Soviet people a day consumed an average of 98,3 g of protein, and an American consumed 104,4 g. The difference is not that big. True, the American ate a lot more fat - 167,2 against our 99,2 - but this made him an average kilogram of 20 leaner than Russian - 71 kg against 200 pounds. But on the other hand, we consumed an average of 341 kg per person per year of milk and dairy products. In America, this figure was 260 kg. Sugar consumption in the USSR was 47,2 kg per year per person, and in the USA, 28 kg.

A dollar in 1983 cost 70,7 a penny (See: Ruble to dollar and dollar to ruble from 1792 to 2010), and the average Soviet person’s salary was 165 to 75 rubles ($ 234.44) (See: Salaries in Russia and the USSR for 1853-2010 years, expressed in rubles, dollars, and kilograms of potatoes) per month. The average American’s salary was then 1269 dollars 94 cents (See: Salaries in the US from 1950 to 2010 years, expressed in dollars and liters of gasoline). It seems to be, in 5,15 times more. But the same American gave 56 cents (39,5 kopecks) for a loaf of bread, and Russian gave 13 kopecks, that is, three times more. On the phone, the Russian called for two kopecks, and the American for 25 cents (17,67 cop), that is, gave a phone call more than 8,837 times. Russian paid five kopecks for public transport, and 3-4 paid for the tram and trolleybus, depending on the region. The American for the fare gave that whole $ 1. In addition, the American paid an average of $ 6,000 per year for his student’s son, and a Russian student received 40-55 “re” per month just because he regularly attended lectures, and if he was an excellent student, he received a so-called Lenin scholarship in the amount of 75 rubles, which was 5 rubles more than the janitor’s or janitor’s salary.

To buy a private house or a cooperative apartment, a Soviet person had to have 1983 rubles in 9760, and the average US home cost $ 82 600 (58 400 rubles).

The majority of American expenses were paid for an apartment, equal in average to $ 1983 per month in 335 a year. I paid 9 rubles 61 a penny of utility bills for a two-room apartment in those years. Other Soviet citizens paid about the same amount.

Housing in those years was rented only by students or very young families. But even if I suddenly needed to rent a house, I could rent the same two-room apartment a little bit in Banny Lane for 40 rubles ($ 28), that is, 12 is cheaper than in America.

Those Americans who did not rent a house were already paying a loan for it. In 1984, with an average income of 21788 dollars per family, this same family paid 6626 dollars a year to pay off a mortgage loan, that is, more than 30% of their income. Another 20%, that is, the same family spent 4377 dollars on fuel and lubricants, and 3391 dollars - 18% - went on food.

Of all the foods in the US, only eggs were cheaper. If we have an egg of the first category cost 12 kopecks (the second category, respectively, 9,5 cop.), Then in the US a dozen eggs cost 89 cents - that is, 5,24 of our then-penny per egg. However, at the general purchasing power parity, the ruble could be equated to 5,5 dollars. That is, in fact, the dollar was not officially overvalued, but undervalued.

Why, then, did our people pay currency at six rubles per dollar? Yes, because for the currency operations in the Soviet era shot - for both the buyer and the seller, it was a risk charge. Similarly, a bottle of whiskey, which cost up to the introduction of the dry law 22 cent, jumped after its introduction to the dollar and the dollar, and in the USSR after the shooting of Rokotov, Yakovlev and Faybishenko in 1961, the price of the dollar on the black market jumped several times.

However, not everything can be compared with monetary measures. So, if a person got sick here, then medical assistance was provided to him free of charge, and his salary remained at his place of work, if, of course, he was ill for no more than six months, then he was transferred to disability and paid a pension. You say that, on the other hand, the Americans had unemployment benefits. Yes, unemployment benefits were not paid by us - those who were unemployed were imprisoned for parasitism, because everyone who wished was taken to work with their hands and feet. But, most importantly, our man did not have his main current shortage - the lack of money. On the contrary, there was so much money that there was not enough goods — industry and transport did not have time to meet effective demand. But even if we take on faith that thesis that we lived worse, this does not explain our defeat, because during the Patriotic War the Germans lived much better than we, but, nevertheless, we won the Patriotic War and won even if the allies in Europe had not landed.

Why then did we lose the Cold War?

We lost it on the ideological front. As Professor Preobrazhensky said, the devastation is not in the closet, but in the head. Western specialists in psychological warfare managed to create devastation in the minds of Soviet citizens. The means of creating this devastation were rumors and gossip, which spread to the minds are not toothless old women. These rumors carried in themselves information that the West supposedly lives better than us. There are jokes that ridicule love of country, honesty and integrity. As a result, by the beginning of 80, young people paid 200 rubles (263 dollars) for “Montana” jeans, which cost thirty years in America, and bought dollars for 6-7 rubles,officially cost 70 centsbut really 18 cop. But, most importantly, the average representative of Soviet youth began to dream of fleeing to the West and living there “as a human being”. And there was no real opposition to these rumors and gossip. It was not because there was a shortage of humanitarian personnel in the country - the very ones from which soldiers of psychological war are recruited. If national culture is strong, then the people with pitchforks and spears will defeat any opponent. If the culture cracks, then national identity is lost, and such a decayed ethnos can be taken barehanded. But there was no one to support the culture. The ideologists of the party and Komsomol apparatus were engaged in Marxist-Leninist scholasticism divorced from the present, incapable of being an ideological rival of advanced psi technologies in the era of the scientific and technological revolution.

Instead of skillfully refuting the theses of the enemy, they simply jammed the Voice of America, while achieving the opposite effect - in our country they love everything forbidden. The correspondent of CT in the United States, Vladimir Dunaev, was never instructed to make a report on the hard life of immigrants. Instead, Dunayev showed the 218-day hunger strike of Dr. Haider, who has not lost weight in these months, and Heinrich Borovik made a film about Joe Mauri, an unemployed person who is being evicted from 5 Avenue, one of the most expensive streets in New York. The latter, on the contrary, turned out to be an advertisement of America: “... even the homeless go there in jeans!”. Interviews with disappointed returnees also showed, and many were not allowed to return. Therefore, when the question of whether or not the USSR was to be decided, everyone went to defend the White House, and no one went to defend the Red Kremlin.

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  1. ZEBRASH
    ZEBRASH 29 August 2011 18: 23 New
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    Yes, there was a time recourse The author correctly says - we lost the information war
  2. Andrey2302
    Andrey2302 29 August 2011 18: 38 New
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    Damn, it was damn nice to watch the video. Where they called everything by their proper names (invaders, etc.) And now even call it. honestly afraid.
  3. Owl
    Owl 29 August 2011 18: 39 New
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    During the years of constant funeral of the general secretaries, the "best special operation of the CIA" was carried out, the nomination of Gorbaty and the traitors democrats to power. during the operation, the ideological aspect of the operation was widely used. The snickering tops could not understand the impending threat in a timely manner, “missed the blow”, ignored information about the incitement by national “friends” of nationalism in a number of regions of the USSR (Baltic, Czechoslovakia, Transcaucasia, Tajikistan, Moldova, Uzbekistan), to which it led We saw, shuddered, and We continue to receive blows from the "traitorous rulers."
  4. cVM
    cVM 29 August 2011 19: 02 New
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    Look at the video? wow, it’s true tv as it should be, but right now things come up with more fashionable things: they drink tea during the program, then without panties, etc. And the fact that we did not lose the loss, the Soviet Union collapsed, people wanted independence and they got it. Because of our stupid politicians and duetates, we also lost a special role, of course, Andropov played because he brought Gorbachev to the head of the USSR and ruled him. In general, I think that Andropov had wine in everything because of him, he got up from the age of 74 that he wanted to in one word
  5. Foamas 29 August 2011 19: 50 New
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    What is the reliability of the figures given by the author ?? The reason for the events of 1991. in the fallacy of the communist ideology as such, for 70 years, yes, even for 270, the physiological nature of man cannot be changed !!
  6. figwam 29 August 2011 20: 13 New
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    Yes, then we were independent. Stupidly there were not enough clothes, sneakers and chewing gum, which was then chewed round the clock, and the country was gone
  7. kagorta 29 August 2011 20: 43 New
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    All the same, the USSR tore its stomach in a military race with Pindos. Plus, raw materials dependence on exports and falling oil prices. Plus they overslept the breakthrough with computerization, which gave impetus to the development of the US economy (if I am not mistaken, it gave a 30% increase in US GDP). Plus stupid support for everyone who would like to be supported. Khrushchev didn’t have to scream, we will bury you all and show you Kuzkin’s mother, but to say that the people suffered such sacrifices during the war, that we owe him an indebted debt and we need to raise his standard of living, let everyone live around as they like, but we don’t they climb. Maybe then there was a sense. The trouble is that history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, but knows how to "bow".
  8. fedor
    fedor 29 August 2011 21: 06 New
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    The author is in many ways right, however, from 1983-84 the quality of domestic goods began to decline noticeably and the technological lag in the military field was especially noticeable. I am a naval officer, commanded ships for many years, carried out tasks in the Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic, Indian Ocean and saw this well, the combat stability of our ships was small ..
    We lived modestly, we saved up for two or three years on TV, and also on a refrigerator, but only an officer who had served as an adviser for 3 years somewhere in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. could buy a car. Unless, of course, his wife did not work in commerce or his relatives helped. And remember that even a good book could not be bought without a “crib”, also a refrigerator, TV, carpet ...
    Nevertheless, we loved our Motherland and were ready to give our lives in less time!
  9. Old Cat Basilio
    Old Cat Basilio 29 August 2011 21: 20 New
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    Back in USSR? Hmm, funny!
  10. Konstantm 29 August 2011 21: 38 New
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    What we have is not appreciated. Losing - crying.
  11. zczczc
    zczczc 29 August 2011 21: 40 New
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    The article is superficial indeed.

    There was such a man - Ustinov Dmitry Fedorovich, a low bow to him and respect:



    When we say that Stalin led us to victory, we need to remember that Ustinov forged us at least half of the victory - since 1941 he was the head of the People’s Commissariat of Arms, positions have changed, but the meaning remains - he raised our defense industry. Until 1965, directly, then, until 1984, already being the Minister of Defense, as the person who set the tasks of the military-industrial complex.

    The problem is that he created a bias in the economy towards the military-industrial complex. It was thanks to this imbalance that we were thrice protected from all the freaks, but we must understand that this is precisely why we did not have Niger jeans. Those. nothing is given just like that - on a clean field, machines in the mud and plowing in three shifts without a roof over your head - this is necessary to win the war, but in peacetime you want jeans, 30 varieties of sausages and wonderful electronics, like in Japan.

    So was Ustinov wrong? No. He was right three times. He just did not have a counterweight in light industry. He could convince the Politburo to put 10 factories for the production of a new type of weapons, and not just convince, but put these plants, load to the fullest and make excellent weapons! But someone else who oversaw the Ministry of Industry and Trade (there is not even a wikipedia article on this ministry that says its insignificance!) Could not convince to build 10 factories for consumer electronics and 20 for jeans, so they did not give money there.

    And talk about ideological confrontation, about the undermining - they are just as true as they are obviously stupid: by dissatisfaction within the country one could delay the dissatisfaction of citizens, but not exclude them - look at North Korea. From the propaganda of clothing and food no longer becomes.

    And therefore, I summarize - we would now have Ustinova for the military-industrial complex and Ustinova-2 for the civilian economy. And Stalin above them. By the way, I remind you that when, after the war, Stalin ordered to feed tired people, then my grandmother suddenly “found” sturgeon and rabbit in the store, the assortment increased, the shelves broke. But Dad’s native, when he visited the well-known Voskhod store near metro Savyolovskaya somewhere around 1985, when he came home he said directly: “It looks like there will be hunger. I was starving in childhood.” (he is 1936). And in the 80s we were already sitting on an oil needle.
  12. Banshee 29 August 2011 23: 39 New
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    Quote: figvam
    Stupidly there was not enough clothes, sneakers and chewing gum, which was then chewed around the clock, and the country was no longer


    That's it that stupid. Not enough stupid now. Rags, chewing gum, wheelbarrows ... And the country is not needed by the cattle, cattle need a stall, and do not care whose people will feed them with hay, Ryazan or Oklakhomsky. the main thing is to have a fig.

    Quote: fedor
    And remember that even a good book could not be bought without “cronyism”, also a refrigerator, a TV, a carpet ...
    Nevertheless, we loved our homeland and were ready to give our lives for it!


    Yes, bl% !!! It was so !!! Hell, but we bought these books from farts, and we loved this country, and died for it.

    Quote: zczczc
    but in peacetime, I want jeans, 30 varieties of sausage and wonder electronics, like in Japan.


    Well pulled up already with this sausage, by golly! Well, there were 5 varieties, well nowadays 30 takes as much meat as it does on these 5 ... Soy and other shit. Quantity does not always turn into quality.
    1. zczczc
      zczczc 29 August 2011 23: 47 New
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      I conditionally wrote. Well, read "I want a lot of different consumer goods and food." The essence does not change.

      By the way, since there was a conversation about food - I would forbid nafik sodium glutamate.
  13. Marat
    Marat 30 August 2011 00: 33 New
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    I agree with the comments (zczczc) that the article does not reflect all the reasons - although the lack of competent counter-propaganda and the loss of war in people's minds were strong factors in the collapse of our country

    I could immediately add another factor - the desire of the degenerated party nomenclature to privatize the national treasure. Stalin fought this purge. That is, it was a "birth disease" of the USSR - and if we restore it someday - we must take into account all these points - I am sure there is a solution without repression, etc.

    Well - the factor of the collapse of oil prices by pendosy and Saudis, direct agent subversive work of the enemy’s intelligence services - bribery of top managers - but I generally recommend Sergey Kara Murza to everyone Lost mind or manipulation of consciousness, etc.
  14. Kibl 30 August 2011 00: 51 New
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    BUMBLEBEE
    BITCHES, YOU ARE RUSSIANS !!! LIBERALS, YOUR MOTHER !!!! HAVE LOST YOURSELF FOR ,,,, X, LATVIA, ESTA !!!
  15. BOSS
    BOSS 30 August 2011 04: 52 New
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    In the USSR there were a lot of good things, but bad ones were enough.
    1. ballian
      ballian 30 August 2011 09: 44 New
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      The author, a fool, does not know that the Soviet Union also waged an information war - but no one bought on a wonderful life in the USSR, and no one "jammed" Soviet propaganda there.
      Everyone saw everything on store shelves - so no need to manipulate numbers
      just as now, no one is voting for the Communists.
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      It seems that some youngster who didn’t live on the cards wrote that - at the end of the 80, the Soviet economy simply collapsed (or it fell apart - it doesn’t matter) - the fall in oil prices multiplied by the stupid economic activity of the CPSU - and even that poor level mid-80's life was gone.
      1. dmb
        dmb 30 August 2011 10: 44 New
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        Maximalism in evaluations has never been a sign of a deep mind. It is worth recalling that the cards were canceled after the war in the USSR earlier than in Great Britain, which suffered incomparably less from the war. As for the shelves, let's be consistent. Shrill liberals (90's as the main argument for the need for a change of power and put forward the thesis about replacing sausages with “freedom.” There is sausage, “freedom” - more than enough, but the majority (see comments and polls on the site) do not seem to that we live in a prosperous society. Do you have a model of a society in which most people will live happily, do you know how to build it, share it? At the same time explain what Personally you (if you were at that time conscious age) this Society did not suit Shelves in stores were not empty yes, and the sane leadership found opportunities to raise the country from ruins, where as in a more difficult situation. ”As for the notorious“ freedom, ”I will honestly say that it is impossible to hold gay pride parades and the absence of a yacht for Abramovich, as well as for Abramovich himself in his current Satus somehow did not bother me much.
        1. ballian
          ballian 30 August 2011 11: 01 New
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          How old are you, dear ?? Card coupons from the end of the 1980's appeared in large numbers - ask your parents, or google.
          And what's more - already at the beginning of the 80's, places began to introduce coupon cards.
          1. dmb
            dmb 30 August 2011 12: 16 New
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            Unfortunately, I did not receive an answer to these questions. Most likely you simply do not have them. Regarding the beginning of 80's, let it remain on your conscience, and the end of 80's inextricably linked with those people who ruled at the beginning of 90's and continue to rule now. The results of their reign are evident. Just do not call Michal Sergeyich a communist. He was an ordinary opportunist, just like the current ones.
            1. ballian
              ballian 30 August 2011 12: 26 New
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              I can only repeat - no sausage was observed - it was in the hope that it would finally appear that sent the CPSU to hell.
              But it’s possible to feel her freedom because it’s freedom to go abroad, freedom to know reality and truth, not chewing gum from the Vremya program, freedom to choose the authorities that rule the country ....
              1. dmb
                dmb 30 August 2011 14: 38 New
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                Mr. Svanidze behaves in approximately the same way. When there is nothing to say, he yells: "Stalin is a tyrant." Moreover, regardless of what is at stake, either that Chubais again stole something, or that civilians are dying from NATO actions. No one disputes that the changes were to happen, but it is not necessary to personify the whole people with the handful that raged in the capital. It was they who cried most of all about sausage, and the province did not rage. It's just that people outside the MKAD had the confidence that this was another palace coup, which did not change the essence of things much. Yes, they were mistaken, but even then it was possible and necessary to disperse the Yeltsin’s shobla, but Bonaparte was not found. Now it is more difficult to do, but it is possible. As regards the choice of power, I just want to remind the story when the FSB ordinary mediator-colonel was practically brought by the arm from nothing. And here is our choice.
                1. Ivan35
                  Ivan35 30 August 2011 15: 07 New
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                  That's right, I support dmb!
                2. ballian
                  ballian 30 August 2011 20: 43 New
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                  It’s okay to compose - Yeltsin was chosen, and the CPSU was sent to the elections
                  .If you think that the government does not need to choose-well, consider.
                  1. dmb
                    dmb 31 August 2011 09: 25 New
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                    Second time too? (I recall the opinion of Swedish bourgeois observers about the rigging of the elections in favor of Yeltsin and their statement that reporting this immediately after the election could harm "democracy").
              2. Banshee 30 August 2011 14: 48 New
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                You have no other life values, except sausage? It's a pity.
          2. Banshee 30 August 2011 14: 58 New
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            And what was given for them?
            I have one set left for the memory from the time when there was no need for them. 1991 year.

            Laundry soap - 2 (for 400 g)
            Toilet soap - 2 (according to 125 g)
            Sugar - 4 kg
            Buckwheat - 2 kg
            Butter - 2 (according to 200 g)
            Rice - 2 kg
            Pasta - kg 2
            Vodka - 2 (by 0,5)

            Yes, there was something else, 5 pieces cut off.
            But still, no matter how cool, for one person is enough.
            Yes, the information war was lost, and I remember how from time to time rumors flared that right now the war and the people rushed to buy salt, matches, and so on. Well, it was a few years ago with salt.
            At the same time, meat was also on the markets, there was fish, and there were no problems with dairy products either.

            And you are all for the sausage ... Well, here you are, you now need to eat it, with the shaft. Paper, chemistry, soy. On health.
            1. mind1954
              mind1954 29 September 2011 04: 25 New
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              I still have coupons and a voucher!
              I want to attract your attention :
              When they want to provide everyone with limited resources,
              then enter cards and attribute to certain
              shops with their mandatory merchandise!
              And when they want to repeatedly increase the shortage of goods
              and organize chaos in the supply of the population, then introduced
              coupons that do not oblige anyone to anything.

              By the way, the Air Force, the most objectionable western radio station, jammed to death
              Deutsche Welle, Voice of America - not really.
              And they didn’t jam the “Freedom” at all - the jammers stood nearby and rumbled gently, not bothering to listen at all.
              From them it was always easy to find her. But she was nauseous, like our modern media.
  16. Banshee 30 August 2011 10: 40 New
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    Well, somehow too negative.
    Yes, there was a lack of something, but:
    I will allow myself some remarks, as in those days he was already a reasonable individual.

    Store shelves ... Enough already ... 10 years ago, and they will say that those who died of hunger were lying on the streets.
    "Sausage trains" ... Yes, it was, "What is it: long, green, smells of sausage? - The Moscow-Voronezh train. Yes, we went to Moscow for this fucking smoked sausage and sweets ... Well, what is this, products of the first necessity, or what? Well, made in the USSR, correct me, if that. What, did you bring cereals from Moscow, macaroni, potatoes, salt, sugar? Everything was in place, yes, somewhere more, somewhere less I do not argue. And the coupons were for certain types of goods, yes. What is characteristic, there are still countries in which this practice exists.

    And then what happened, why no one remembers? Yes, the type of correctly began to use the economy ... or whatever. And flooded the shelves with imported goods. It became beautiful and plentiful. "Rama - sweeter you can imagine!" Chews, sneakers, invites, UPI, Zuko, "Piano" ... Yes, it was very rich. And then, oddly enough, began to breathe from their desired abundance. I here resulted in a tiddly list, what survived from him now? Well, sneakers, okay. And the rest came to their senses, banned. Were thoughtful, albeit at the wrong time, but still.
  17. Banshee 30 August 2011 10: 42 New
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    You know, I treated and will be warm to those times until my death. Probably, it still depends on the moral stock of a person. Well, never liked smoked sausage. And he was not a special person in the car. But the man was feeling nice. And we were proud of the success of our country, as our own. It was a common cause.

    And the propaganda was carried on, but it was carried on too ... ogoltelovato. Therefore, it is fair to play. Well, our not very lighted streets didn’t look against Manhattan ... And our chews against chingham ...

    It turned out strange, I went to the troops in 1987 year, returned to 1994 ... Already in the crappy Russia ... the first year really nauseous. Then I got used to it. But it was not worth what the people did to the country (not the rulers, no, it was the people) for the Chinese dvuhkasetniki and a cheap synthetic pup. People really like a chain broke, "steal, rob, on .. bi." The fall of the culture was complete.

    Under the USSR (totalitarian, talentless regime), at least some frameworks of human behavior existed in society. "Freedom" allowed without it. Changed priorities, values ​​and more. A lot has been said about this, I will not repeat.

    We lived no worse than amerikosov definitely. Each one's brain was dirty. As far as possible countries. But we lived smarter and more correctly. What the subsequent mega-degradation of inhabitants of the former USSR showed on 100%.
    We lost a country in which there was just the very meaning of life (albeit crooked) but for each person. We will never return it, the brains (or their remnants) are too distorted in the younger generations.

    It's a pity.
    1. Ivan35
      Ivan35 30 August 2011 20: 20 New
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      Good comment, support in general! We lived ALMOST like them and it was a huge achievement - to live like they are impossible - for this we need to rob the whole world like them - the earth will not feed the second golden billion
      the ussr allowed us all not to fall into the poverty of the Brazilian favelas and india - not to become like the Chinese one-dollar slaves of the pendos world economy
      In severe climatic conditions and in the absence of full access to ocean ports and world trade - plus an artificial blockade of us by pendos, we were able to show the world a decent lifestyle and a decent path - an alternative to the unfair world order of the new Rome - pendos
  18. svvaulsh
    svvaulsh 30 August 2011 11: 08 New
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    After 20 years of democracy, I make a definite conclusion - in the USSR it was better. Here a comparison arose with dogs, which is better, to be a thoroughbred, well-fed and sleek dog on a leash, or a shabby, silly and always hungry, picking up scraps, but a free dog? Everyone, as they say, chooses his own.
    1. Banshee 30 August 2011 14: 47 New
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      Well, you really overdo it with the comparison ...
      We were not hungry shabby and shabby dogs. And the leftovers picked up (and are now picking up) jackals, for whom, instead of the icon, a star-striped rag hangs. Jackals have been and always will be. Otherwise, there would not be all there Yugoslavia, Livy, Iraq and other exchanges of being for freedom.
      It was just that during the times of the USSR, jackals had enough jeans, now give me a thief or something else.
      Every time their orders.
      1. svvaulsh
        svvaulsh 31 August 2011 18: 53 New
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        You do not understand me! Then we were just strong and thoroughbred. And now every trash is trying to teach us life and wipe our feet about us.
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    mmm !!! All statistics in the tables are good! And housing prices are encouraging! Only! In the United States, you could buy a house with money and that's it! And we still have in line to defend 10-20 years, so that they are allowed to spend their money on housing! And the empty store shelves in the USSR worked especially well, we do not consider Moscow as an exemplary socialist city, where "long, green and smelled of sausage!" And the sight of American shops with an abundance of food negatively affected the minds of our citizens. It is necessary to feed the people! And do not give out coupons for meat and sugar! I dare to recall that the king was thrown off in February 1917 only because they did not deliver bread to Peter 3 for a day, the women took to the streets and away we go!
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    dna 31 August 2011 00: 35 New
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    I agree that it was not due to the lack of sausages that the Union collapsed. Yes, and I’m ready to believe (although it’s difficult to judge from the child’s recollections) that the average standard of living in the 80s, even though he didn’t draw on the American, could well compete with any Portugal.

    But does any of you really think that a psychological war with the West could be won? That there are so-called "psi-technologies", or simply honest arguments to refute the "thesis of the enemy", which can convince people that it is better when you can’t leave the country as soon as you want? Not only in our country they love everything forbidden. They love everything forbidden - nature is like that. And bans on leaving, on exchanging money (what difference does it make if the dollar is officially 70, or even 5 kopecks, if you are not only given no change, but they can be fired for trying to land, or at least get fired from work?), On short-wave radios, which the Voice of America accepts is a surrender that cannot be blocked by arguments.

    Only one way can be blocked. Fear of and hatred of more free countries (the so-called "national culture") can only be supported in a country that cannot be left, in the same way that monstrous regimes such as Stalin and Kim Jong Il used and use. Completely block the flow of information from the outside, replace it with a lie, and arrange terror in the country. When people are taken away all the time - who are being shot, who are being sentenced to hard labor for nine lands, the main thing is out of sight, so that they could not refute lies about themselves - this can easily be explained by the fact that there is a struggle for the survival of the people. In the DPRK, almost everyone who is not in hard labor now believes in this. And no one complains of hunger, cold, or any humiliation in such a situation. And if he complains, he disappears as an enemy of the people, see above.

    So dear commentators who missed Stalin very much. You can’t be forbidden to dream and comment on how it was not so bad under Stalin, and certainly better than now, because, you see, there was a “national idea”, but now they have sold everything out, etc. etc. And it’s not right to want or try to forbid you to do this. But only, are you ready to block the border again for the return of Stalin and begin executions of the enemies of the people? Why do you think that any “national idea” is possible at all, however much you personally like it and warm your soul, which people shouldn’t be allowed to refuse, and for which it’s right to be shot? I’m not talking about helping the Nazis, but simply about the desire to leave your national idea in very, very bad states, where their banks will steal and generally not like the liberals lie, but you can leave them at any time.
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      dmb 31 August 2011 13: 04 New
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      Cosmopolitanism is not a new phenomenon, and a person who considers this his conviction is hardly worth convincing otherwise. And what prevents you from realizing your idea and leaving for the states, and if you don’t like it, to Switzerland or Luxembourg. Most likely the lack of money. Well then, try to earn them honestly. And without money, you simply are not needed there, you will not be allowed into that bright democracy. As for border closure, it will be blocked for those who trivially stole the indicated money from the remaining ones. Perhaps this is not democratic, but fair. And it is unlikely that in those "bright" countries that you dream of, you will be honored with honors, and they will put you in a cage and steal this money there.
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        dna 31 August 2011 19: 25 New
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        I have long been living "over the hill" and honestly earn money. And they let them into a bright democracy without money, and now they have earned money - there are no problems. Democracy is certainly incomparably brighter for those who are already there than for those who still want to get there. There is no doubt. By the way, by the way, the idea was not mine - the child is not asked about this.

        Only I didn’t talk about this at all. The question is not where it is better, and it is right or wrong to go from one country to another. The question is, is it right for those who want to ride against their will to keep. I did not understand what you mean about who will be blocked for what, and what kind of power it will be done. If it’s really “trivial” to steal money, this is a criminal case and there’s nothing to even discuss. If you just honestly earned it, and then some, because of greed and envy, shout that they "stole" (I personally do not blame you for this), then there is nothing to discuss. If, when distributing the property of the former union, he cunningly got out and tidied himself up billions of oil wells, I won’t argue, this is theft. But, you see, this refers literally to units. But in the USSR, this did not apply to people who wanted to leave. Those who put money in their pocket from the sale of national oil did not intend to go anywhere. But to the question whether it was right not to let those who were not going to take a dime with themselves, you did not even try to answer. Therefore, I ask him again.
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          dmb 1 September 2011 14: 33 New
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          Wrong, under one condition. Handymen are still not needed there, they are enough from among the visiting Arabs. blacks and chinese. And you think fair enough. get free education and professional skills, and then trivially “throw” their employers. Nobody will allow this to you in that free world. So why do you think this is possible in my country. Not yet issued carriers of state secrets. It would be fun to see the reaction of the Americans if one of their officials with specific information arrives in Russia and acts like Mr. Kalugin.