Why did we lose the Cold War?

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Many believe that in the 1980-ies the Soviet Union technically lagged behind the United States. However, we did not lose the Cold War due to a technical lag. Everyone knows that our techies were much cooler than technical specialists of a potential opponent. Our equipment was also no worse, and in some ways even better than in Western countries. Maybe we lost it because of the economic lag? Also not true. Gorbachev called the last years of Brezhnev reign a period of stagnation. However, in fact, the stagnation in the economy was not with Us, but with Them.

Why did we lose the Cold War? If in 1980-84 the national income of the USSR grew by 19%, then in the USA this growth barely reached six. Labor productivity has increased by 14% over the same years. In the United States, this figure was only 3% over the years. At the same time, years like 1980 and 1982 in America were not years of growth, but of a fall. So, in 1980 the decline in production was 3,6%, and in 1982 - 8,2%. Industrial production in our country during the XI five-year plan (1981-86) increased by 18%, while in America this growth was only 13%. And, most importantly, real incomes per capita have increased by 9% in our country, while in the USA they have decreased by 1983%. In 66, the national income of the USSR was 80% of the American one. The volume of industrial production was 21% of the American one. The share of the USSR in world industrial production was 3%. Nowadays, the share of all the countries of the former USSR, including Russia, is only about 2,86%. In terms of pig iron production, our country surpassed the United States by 2,14 times, and in terms of steel - by XNUMX times. Yes, in some indicators the United States was ahead of us, but in most of them, as can be seen from the table below, compiled, by the way, according to the CIA, We were ahead of the United States.

INDICATOR

CCCP

USA

Grain production 211 million tons 281 mt
Milk production 103 million tons 65 mt
Potato production 76 million tons 16 mt
Oil production 11,9 million barrels / day 8,3 million barrels / day
Gas production 25,7 trillion cubic feet 17,1 trillion. cc feet
Coal mining 517 mt 760 mt
Iron production 162 mt 81 mt
Cement production 128 mln. 63,9 mln.
Aluminum production 3,0 mln. 3,3 mln.
Medium production 1,0 mln. 1,6 mln.
Iron Ore Mining 114 mln. 44 mln.
Bauxite mining 7,7 mln. 0,5 mln.
Car production 1,3 ppm 7,1 million pcs.
Truck production 0,9 ppm 3,8 million pcs.
Housing construction 12 sq. M. meters 20 sq. M. meters
Gold mining 10,6 million tons oz 5,0 million tonnes.

Maybe the gap in the standard of living between Them and Us is to blame?

And this is also not true. According to objective indicators, our standard of living was no lower than in the United States. In 1983-85. a Soviet person a day consumed an average of 98,3 g of protein, and an American - 104,4 g. The difference is not that big. True, the American ate much more fat - 167,2 g against our 99,2 - but this made him an average of 20 kilograms thinner than the Russian - 71 kg against 200 pounds. On the other hand, we consumed an average of 341 kg of milk and dairy products per person per year. In America, this figure was 260 kg. Sugar consumption in the USSR was 47,2 kg per person per year, and in the USA - 28 kg.

A dollar in 1983 cost 70,7 a penny (See: Ruble to dollar and dollar to ruble from 1792 to 2010), and the average Soviet person’s salary was 165 to 75 rubles ($ 234.44) (See: Salaries in Russia and the USSR for 1853-2010 years, expressed in rubles, dollars, and kilograms of potatoes) per month. The average American's salary was then $ 1269 94 cents (See: US salaries from 1950 to 2010, expressed in dollars and liters of gasoline). It seems to be, in 5,15 times more. But the same American gave 56 cents (39,5 kopecks) for a loaf of bread, and Russian gave 13 kopecks, that is, three times more. On the phone, the Russian called for two kopecks, and the American for 25 cents (17,67 cop), that is, gave a phone call more than 8,837 times. Russian paid five kopecks for public transport, and 3-4 paid for the tram and trolleybus, depending on the region. The American for the fare gave that whole $ 1. In addition, the American paid an average of $ 6,000 per year for his student’s son, and a Russian student received 40-55 “re” per month just because he regularly attended lectures, and if he was an excellent student, he received a so-called Lenin scholarship in the amount of 75 rubles, which was 5 rubles more than the janitor’s or janitor’s salary.

To buy a private house or a cooperative apartment, a Soviet person had to have 1983 rubles in 9760, and the average housing in the United States cost $ 82 (600 rubles).

The majority of American expenses were paid for an apartment, equal in average to $ 1983 per month in 335 a year. I paid 9 rubles 61 a penny of utility bills for a two-room apartment in those years. Other Soviet citizens paid about the same amount.

Housing in those years was rented only by students or very young families. But even if I suddenly needed to rent a house, I could rent the same two-room apartment a little bit in Banny Lane for 40 rubles ($ 28), that is, 12 is cheaper than in America.

Those Americans who did not rent a house were already paying a loan for it. In 1984, with an average income of 21788 dollars per family, this same family paid 6626 dollars a year to pay off a mortgage loan, that is, more than 30% of their income. Another 20%, that is, the same family spent 4377 dollars on fuel and lubricants, and 3391 dollars - 18% -  went on food.

Of all the foods in the US, only eggs were cheaper. If we have an egg of the first category cost 12 kopecks (the second category, respectively, 9,5 cop.), Then in the US a dozen eggs cost 89 cents - that is, 5,24 of our then-penny per egg. However, at the general purchasing power parity, the ruble could be equated to 5,5 dollars. That is, in fact, the dollar was not officially overvalued, but undervalued.

Why, then, did our people pay currency at six rubles per dollar? Yes, because for the currency operations in the Soviet era shot - for both the buyer and the seller, it was a risk charge. Similarly, a bottle of whiskey, which cost up to the introduction of the dry law 22 cent, jumped after its introduction to the dollar and the dollar, and in the USSR after the shooting of Rokotov, Yakovlev and Faybishenko in 1961, the price of the dollar on the black market jumped several times.

However, not everything can be compared with monetary measures. So, if a person got sick here, then medical assistance was provided to him free of charge, and his salary remained at his place of work, if, of course, he was ill for no more than six months, then he was transferred to disability and paid a pension. You say that, on the other hand, the Americans had unemployment benefits. Yes, unemployment benefits were not paid by us - those who were unemployed were imprisoned for parasitism, because everyone who wished was taken to work with their hands and feet. But, most importantly, our man did not have his main current shortage - the lack of money. On the contrary, there was so much money that there was not enough goods — industry and transport did not have time to meet effective demand. But even if we take on faith that thesis that we lived worse, this does not explain our defeat, because during the Patriotic War the Germans lived much better than we, but, nevertheless, we won the Patriotic War and won even if the allies in Europe had not landed.

Why then did we lose the Cold War?

We lost it on the ideological front. As Professor Preobrazhensky said, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads. Western specialists in psychological warfare managed to create devastation in the minds of Soviet citizens. The means of creating this devastation were rumors and gossip, which were not carried through the minds of toothless old women. These rumors carried the information that the West supposedly lives better than us. Anecdotes have appeared, ridiculing love for the homeland, honesty and adherence to principles. As a result, by the early 80s, young people paid 200 rubles ($ 263) for Montana jeans, which cost $ 6 in America at most, and bought dollars for 7-XNUMX rubles.officially cost 70 centsbut really 18 cop. But, most importantly, the average representative of Soviet youth began to dream of fleeing to the West and living there “as a human being”. And there was no real opposition to these rumors and gossip. It was not because there was a shortage of humanitarian personnel in the country - the very ones from which soldiers of psychological war are recruited. If national culture is strong, then the people with pitchforks and spears will defeat any opponent. If the culture cracks, then national identity is lost, and such a decayed ethnos can be taken barehanded. But there was no one to support the culture. The ideologists of the party and Komsomol apparatus were engaged in Marxist-Leninist scholasticism divorced from the present, incapable of being an ideological rival of advanced psi technologies in the era of the scientific and technological revolution. 

Instead of skillfully refuting the theses of the enemy, they simply jammed the Voice of America, achieving the opposite effect - in our country they love everything that is forbidden. Central Television correspondent in the United States, Vladimir Dunaev, has never been instructed to report on the hard life of emigrants. Instead, Dunaev showed the 218-day hunger strike of Dr. Haider, who did not lose weight during these months, and Genrikh Aviezerovich Borovik made a film about Joe Maury, an unemployed man who is being evicted from 5th Avenue, one of the most expensive streets in New York. The latter, on the contrary, turned out to be an advertisement for America: "... even the homeless there wear jeans!" Interviews with disappointed returnees are also not showed, and many were not allowed to return. Therefore, when the question of whether or not the USSR was to be decided, everyone went to defend the White House, and no one went to defend the Red Kremlin.

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  1. ZEBRASH
    +7
    29 August 2011 18: 23
    Yes, there was a time recourse The author correctly says - we lost the information war
  2. Andrey2302
    +2
    29 August 2011 18: 38
    Damn, it was damn nice to watch the video. Where they called everything by their proper names (invaders, etc.) And now even call it. honestly afraid.
  3. Owl
    +6
    29 August 2011 18: 39
    During the years of constant funerals of the general secretaries, "the best special operation of the CIA" was carried out, the nomination of Humpback and the traitor Democrats to power. during the operation, the ideological aspect of supporting the operation was widely used. The snatched tops could not understand the impending threat in a timely manner, "missed the blow", ignored the information about the incitement of nationalism by the current "friends" in a number of regions of the USSR (Baltic, Chechen-Ingush ASSR, Transcaucasia, Tajikistan, Moldova, Uzbekistan), what this led to We saw, shuddered and we continue to receive blows from the "traitorous rulers".
  4. cVM
    cVM
    -4
    29 August 2011 19: 02
    Look at the video? wow, it’s true tv as it should be, but right now things come up with more fashionable things: they drink tea during the program, then without panties, etc. And the fact that we did not lose the loss, the Soviet Union collapsed, people wanted independence and they got it. Because of our stupid politicians and duetates, we also lost a special role, of course, Andropov played because he brought Gorbachev to the head of the USSR and ruled him. In general, I think that Andropov had wine in everything because of him, he got up from the age of 74 that he wanted to in one word
  5. 0
    29 August 2011 19: 50
    What is the reliability of the figures given by the author ?? The reason for the events of 1991. in the fallacy of the communist ideology as such, for 70 years, yes, even for 270, the physiological nature of man cannot be changed !!
  6. +5
    29 August 2011 20: 13
    Yes, then we were independent. Stupidly there were not enough clothes, sneakers and chewing gum, which was then chewed round the clock, and the country was gone
  7. +2
    29 August 2011 20: 43
    All the same, the USSR tore its stomach in a military race with Pindosia. Plus the dependence on raw materials for exports and the fall in oil prices. Plus, we slept through the breakthrough with computerization, which gave impetus to the development of the US economy (if I am not mistaken, this gave a 30% increase in US GDP). Plus the blunt support of all who would like to support him. Khrushchev should not have shouted, we’ll bury you all and show Kuzka’s mother, but say that the people suffered such sacrifices during the war, that we owe him an unpaid debt and we need to raise his standard of living, let everyone around them live as they want, but we don’t climb. Maybe then there was a sense. The problem is that history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, but it knows how to "tilt".
  8. fedora
    +8
    29 August 2011 21: 06
    The author is in many ways right, however, from 1983-84 the quality of domestic goods began to decline noticeably and the technological lag in the military field was especially noticeable. I am a naval officer, commanded ships for many years, carried out tasks in the Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic, Indian Ocean and saw this well, the combat stability of our ships was small ..
    We lived modestly, we saved up for a TV for two or three years, for a refrigerator too, but a car could only be bought by an officer who served for 3 years as an advisor somewhere in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. Unless, of course, his wife did not work in trade or relatives helped. And remember that even a good book could not be bought without "cronyism", also a refrigerator, a TV set, a carpet ...
    Nevertheless, we loved our Motherland and were ready to give our lives in less time!
  9. Old Cat Basilio
    0
    29 August 2011 21: 20
    Back in USSR? Hmm, funny!
  10. +1
    29 August 2011 21: 38
    What we have is not appreciated. Losing - crying.
  11. zczczc
    +9
    29 August 2011 21: 40
    The article is superficial indeed.

    There was such a man - Ustinov Dmitry Fedorovich, a low bow to him and respect:



    When we say that Stalin led us to victory, we need to remember that Ustinov forged us at least half of the victory - since 1941 he was the head of the People’s Commissariat of Arms, positions have changed, but the meaning remains - he raised our defense industry. Until 1965, directly, then, until 1984, already being the Minister of Defense, as the person who set the tasks of the military-industrial complex.

    The problem is that he created a bias in the economy towards the military-industrial complex. It was thanks to this imbalance that we were thrice protected from all the freaks, but we must understand that this is precisely why we did not have Niger jeans. Those. nothing is given just like that - on a clean field, machines in the mud and plowing in three shifts without a roof over your head - this is necessary to win the war, but in peacetime you want jeans, 30 varieties of sausages and wonderful electronics, like in Japan.

    So was Ustinov wrong? No. He was right three times. He just did not have a counterweight in light industry. He could convince the Politburo to put 10 factories for the production of a new type of weapons, and not just convince, but put these plants, load to the fullest and make excellent weapons! But someone else who oversaw the Ministry of Industry and Trade (there is not even a wikipedia article on this ministry that says its insignificance!) Could not convince to build 10 factories for consumer electronics and 20 for jeans, so they did not give money there.

    And talk about ideological confrontation, about the undermining - they are just as true as they are obviously stupid: by dissatisfaction within the country one could delay the dissatisfaction of citizens, but not exclude them - look at North Korea. From the propaganda of clothing and food no longer becomes.

    And therefore, I will summarize - we would now have Ustinov for the military-industrial complex and Ustinov-2 for the civil economy. And Stalin is above them. By the way, let me remind you that when after the war Stalin ordered to feed the tired people, my grandmother suddenly "found" sturgeon, rabbit meat in the store, the range of everything increased, the shelves were bursting. But my dear father, when he visited the notorious Voskhod store near metro Savyolovskaya somewhere in the region of 1985, when he came home he said straight away: "It looks like there will be hunger. I was starving as a child." (he's 1936). And in the 80s we were already on the oil needle.
  12. +3
    29 August 2011 23: 39
    Quote: figvam
    Stupidly there was not enough clothes, sneakers and chewing gum, which was then chewed around the clock, and the country was no longer


    That's it that stupid. Not enough stupid now. Rags, chewing gum, wheelbarrows ... And the country is not needed by the cattle, cattle need a stall, and do not care whose people will feed them with hay, Ryazan or Oklakhomsky. the main thing is to have a fig.

    Quote: fedor
    And remember that even a good book could not be bought without "cronyism", also a refrigerator, a TV, a carpet ...
    Nevertheless, we loved our homeland and were ready to give our lives for it!


    Yes, bl% !!! It was so !!! Hell, but we bought these books from farts, and we loved this country, and died for it.

    Quote: zczczc
    but in peacetime, I want jeans, 30 varieties of sausage and wonder electronics, like in Japan.


    Well pulled up already with this sausage, by golly! Well, there were 5 varieties, well nowadays 30 takes as much meat as it does on these 5 ... Soy and other shit. Quantity does not always turn into quality.
    1. zczczc
      +2
      29 August 2011 23: 47
      I wrote conditionally. Well, read "I want a lot of different consumer goods and food." Doesn't change the essence.

      By the way, since there was a conversation about food - I would forbid nafik sodium glutamate.
  13. Marat
    +4
    30 August 2011 00: 33
    I agree with the comments (zczczc) that the article does not reflect all the reasons - although the lack of competent counter-propaganda and the loss of war in people's minds were strong factors in the collapse of our country

    I could immediately add one more factor - the desire of the degenerated party nomenklatura to privatize the national heritage. Stalin fought this purge. That is, it was a "patrimonial disease" of the USSR - and if we restore it someday, all these points must be taken into account - I am sure there is a solution without repression, and so on.

    Well - the factor of the collapse of oil prices by pendosy and Saudis, direct agent subversive work of the enemy’s intelligence services - bribery of top managers - but I generally recommend Sergey Kara Murza to everyone Lost mind or manipulation of consciousness, etc.
  14. -3
    30 August 2011 00: 51
    BUMBLEBEE
    BITCHES, YOU ARE RUSSIANS !!! LIBERALS, YOUR MOTHER !!!! HAVE LOST YOURSELF FOR ,,,, X, LATVIA, ESTA !!!
  15. BOSS
    0
    30 August 2011 04: 52
    In the USSR there were a lot of good things, but bad ones were enough.
    1. ballian
      0
      30 August 2011 09: 44
      The author - a silly man does not know that the USSR was also waging an information war - but no one bought into the wonderful life in the USSR, and no one "jammed" Soviet propaganda there.
      Everyone saw everything on store shelves - so no need to manipulate numbers
      just as now, no one is voting for the Communists.
      .
      It seems that some youngster who didn’t live on the cards wrote that - at the end of the 80, the Soviet economy simply collapsed (or it fell apart - it doesn’t matter) - the fall in oil prices multiplied by the stupid economic activity of the CPSU - and even that poor level mid-80's life was gone.
      1. dmb
        +8
        30 August 2011 10: 44
        Maximalism in assessments has never been a sign of deep intelligence. It is worth recalling that after the war, cards were canceled in the USSR earlier than in Great Britain, which suffered incomparably less from the war. As for the store shelves, let's be consistent. Shrill liberals (90s as the main argument for the need to change the government and put forward the thesis of replacing sausage with “freedom.” There is sausage, there is plenty of “freedom”, but the majority (see comments and polls on the website) does not seem at all that we live in a prosperous society. Do you have a model of a society in which most people will live happily, do you know the ways of building it, share? At the same time, explain what personally you (if you were of a conscious age at that time) did not like this Society . The shelves in the shops were not always empty, and the sane leadership found opportunities to raise the country from ruins, where, as in a more difficult situation. " and Abramovich himself in his current status somehow didn’t embitter me much.
        1. ballian
          -2
          30 August 2011 11: 01
          How old are you, dear ?? Card coupons from the end of the 1980's appeared in large numbers - ask your parents, or google.
          And what's more - already at the beginning of the 80's, places began to introduce coupon cards.
          1. dmb
            +5
            30 August 2011 12: 16
            Unfortunately, I did not receive an answer to these questions. Most likely you simply do not have them. Regarding the beginning of 80's, let it remain on your conscience, and the end of 80's inextricably linked with those people who ruled at the beginning of 90's and continue to rule now. The results of their reign are evident. Just do not call Michal Sergeyich a communist. He was an ordinary opportunist, just like the current ones.
            1. ballian
              -5
              30 August 2011 12: 26
              I can only repeat - no sausage was observed - it was in the hope that it would finally appear that sent the CPSU to hell.
              And you can quite feel her freedom - this is the freedom to go abroad, the freedom to know reality and the truth, and not the chewing gum from the Vremya program, the freedom to choose the bosses ruling the country ...
              1. dmb
                +4
                30 August 2011 14: 38
                Mr. Svanidze behaves in about the same way. When there is nothing to say, he yells: "Stalin is a tyrant." And regardless of what is at stake, whether that Chubais again stole something, or that civilians are dying from NATO actions. Nobody argues that the changes should have taken place, but the whole people should not be personified with the handful that raged in the capital. They were the ones who yelled the most about the sausage, and the provinces did not rage. It's just that people outside the Moscow Ring Road were confident that this was another palace coup, which did not greatly change the essence of things. Yes, they were mistaken, but even then it was possible and necessary to disperse the Yeltsin Shobla, but Bonaparte was not found. Now it is more difficult to do it, but it is possible. Regarding the choice of power, I just want to remind you of the story when the FSB's mediocre colonel was practically brought in by the hand out of nothing. And here is our choice.
                1. Ivan35
                  +2
                  30 August 2011 15: 07
                  That's right, I support dmb!
                2. ballian
                  -2
                  30 August 2011 20: 43
                  It’s okay to compose - Yeltsin was chosen, and the CPSU was sent to the elections
                  .If you think that the government does not need to choose-well, consider.
                  1. dmb
                    +2
                    31 August 2011 09: 25
                    Second time too? (Let me remind you the opinion of the Swedish bourgeois observers about the falsification of the elections in favor of Yeltsin and their statement that the information about this immediately after the elections could damage "democracy").
              2. +1
                30 August 2011 14: 48
                You have no other life values, except sausage? It's a pity.
          2. 0
            30 August 2011 14: 58
            And what was given for them?
            I have one set left for the memory from the time when there was no need for them. 1991 year.

            Laundry soap - 2 (for 400 g)
            Toilet soap - 2 (according to 125 g)
            Sugar - 4 kg
            Buckwheat - 2 kg
            Butter - 2 (according to 200 g)
            Rice - 2 kg
            Pasta - kg 2
            Vodka - 2 (by 0,5)

            Yes, there was something else, 5 pieces cut off.
            But still, no matter how cool, for one person is enough.
            Yes, the information war was lost, and I remember how from time to time rumors flared that right now the war and the people rushed to buy salt, matches, and so on. Well, it was a few years ago with salt.
            At the same time, meat was also on the markets, there was fish, and there were no problems with dairy products either.

            And you are all for the sausage ... Well, here you are, you now need to eat it, with the shaft. Paper, chemistry, soy. On health.
            1. mind1954
              0
              29 September 2011 04: 25
              I still have coupons and a voucher!
              I want to attract your attention :
              When they want to provide everyone with limited resources,
              then enter cards and attribute to certain
              shops with their mandatory merchandise!
              And when they want to repeatedly increase the shortage of goods
              and organize chaos in the supply of the population, then introduced
              coupons that do not oblige anyone to anything.

              By the way, the Air Force, the most objectionable western radio station, jammed to death
              Deutsche Welle, Voice of America - not really.
              And they did not jam Svoboda at all - the jammers stood nearby and rumbled softly, not at all interfering with listening.
              From them it was always easy to find her. But she was nauseous, like our modern media.
  16. +4
    30 August 2011 10: 40
    Well, somehow too negative.
    Yes, there was a lack of something, but:
    I will allow myself some remarks, as in those days he was already a reasonable individual.

    Store shelves ... Enough already ... 10 years ago, and they will say that those who died of hunger were lying on the streets.
    "Sausage trains" ... Yes, there was such, "What is this: long, green, smells of sausage? - Train" Moscow-Voronezh ". Yes, we went to Moscow for this fucking smoked sausage and sweets ... Well, what is it, essential products, or what? Well, made in the USSR, correct me if that. What, they brought cereals from Moscow, pasta, potatoes, salt, sugar? Everything was on the ground, yes, somewhere more, somewhere less I do not argue. And there were coupons for some types of goods, yes. What is typical, there are still countries in which this practice exists.

    And then what happened, why no one will remember? Yes, they started using the economy correctly ... or whatever. And they filled up the shelves with imported goods. It has become beautiful and abundant. "Rama - you can't imagine sweeter!" Chewing gum, sneakers, invites, yupi, zuko, "Royal" ... Yes, it was very abundant. And then, oddly enough, they started BREATHING from their desired abundance. I just brought a tiny little list, what has survived from it now? Well, sneakers, okay. And the rest came to their senses, banned. We thought it over, albeit at the wrong time, but still.
  17. +2
    30 August 2011 10: 42
    You know, I treated and will be warm to those times until my death. Probably, it still depends on the moral stock of a person. Well, never liked smoked sausage. And he was not a special person in the car. But the man was feeling nice. And we were proud of the success of our country, as our own. It was a common cause.

    And the propaganda was carried on, but it was carried on too ... ogoltelovato. Therefore, it is fair to play. Well, our not very lighted streets didn’t look against Manhattan ... And our chews against chingham ...

    It turned out strange, I went to the troops in 1987, returned in 1994 ... Already in shitty Russia ... the first year I really felt sick. Then I got used to it. But it was not worth what the people did to the country (not the rulers, no, they were the people) for the Chinese two-cassette machines and cheap synthetic food. People really broke loose, "steal, rob, na..bi". The fall of culture was complete.

    Under the USSR (totalitarian, mediocre regime) at least there were some frameworks for human behavior in society. "Freedom" allowed to do without it. Priorities, values, etc. have changed. Much has already been said about this, I will not repeat it.

    We lived no worse than amerikosov definitely. Each one's brain was dirty. As far as possible countries. But we lived smarter and more correctly. What the subsequent mega-degradation of inhabitants of the former USSR showed on 100%.
    We lost a country in which there was just the very meaning of life (albeit crooked) but for each person. We will never return it, the brains (or their remnants) are too distorted in the younger generations.

    It's a pity.
    1. Ivan35
      +1
      30 August 2011 20: 20
      Good comment, support in general! We lived ALMOST like them and it was a huge achievement - to live like they are impossible - for this we need to rob the whole world like them - the earth will not feed the second golden billion
      the ussr allowed us all not to fall into the poverty of the Brazilian favelas and india - not to become like the Chinese one-dollar slaves of the pendos world economy
      In severe climatic conditions and in the absence of full access to ocean ports and world trade - plus an artificial blockade of us by pendos, we were able to show the world a decent lifestyle and a decent path - an alternative to the unfair world order of the new Rome - pendos
  18. svvaulsh
    +1
    30 August 2011 11: 08
    After 20 years of democracy, I make a definite conclusion - in the USSR it was better. Here a comparison arose with dogs, which is better, to be a thoroughbred, well-fed and sleek dog on a leash, or a shabby, silly and always hungry, picking up scraps, but a free dog? Everyone, as they say, chooses his own.
    1. +2
      30 August 2011 14: 47
      Well, you really overdo it with the comparison ...
      We were not hungry shabby and shabby dogs. And the leftovers picked up (and are now picking up) jackals, for whom, instead of the icon, a star-striped rag hangs. Jackals have been and always will be. Otherwise, there would not be all there Yugoslavia, Livy, Iraq and other exchanges of being for freedom.
      It was just that during the times of the USSR, jackals had enough jeans, now give me a thief or something else.
      Every time their orders.
      1. svvaulsh
        +1
        31 August 2011 18: 53
        You do not understand me! Then we were just strong and thoroughbred. And now every trash is trying to teach us life and wipe our feet about us.
  19. 0
    30 August 2011 22: 11
    hmmm !!! All the statistics in the tables are good! And housing prices are good! Only! In the USA, you could buy a house if you had money and that's it! And we still have 10-20 years in line to be allowed to spend their money on housing! And the empty store shelves in the USSR worked especially well, we do not consider Moscow as an exemplary socialist city, where "long, green, and smelled of sausage were moving!" And the sight of American stores with an abundance of food had a negative effect on the minds of our citizens. We need to feed the people! And not to issue coupons for meat and sugar! I dare to remind you that the tsar was overthrown in February 1917 only because bread was not brought to St. Petersburg for 3 days, the women took to the streets and it started!
  20. dna
    dna
    0
    31 August 2011 00: 35
    I agree that it was not due to the lack of sausages that the Union collapsed. Yes, and I’m ready to believe (although it’s difficult to judge from the child’s recollections) that the average standard of living in the 80s, even though he didn’t draw on the American, could well compete with any Portugal.

    But do any of you think that the psychological war with the West could have been won? That there are so-called "psi-technologies", or just honest arguments to refute the "theses of the enemy" that can convince people that it is better when you cannot leave the country as soon as you want? Not only in our country they love everything that is forbidden. They love everything forbidden - such is the nature. And bans on leaving, on the exchange of money (what's the difference if the dollar is officially 70, or even 5 kopecks, if you are not only not given a change, but they can be fired for trying to jail, or at least from work?), On shortwave radio, which the Voice of America accepts is a surrender that cannot be blocked by arguments.

    You can block it in only one way. Fear of and hatred of freer countries (the so-called "national culture") can be supported in a country from which one cannot leave, there is only one way: the very way monstrous regimes like Stalin and Kim Jong Il used and are using. Completely block the flow of information from the outside, replace it with lies, and arrange terror in the country. When people are often taken away - who is being shot, who is sent to hard labor for nine lands, the main thing is out of sight so that they cannot refute a lie about themselves - it is easy to explain this by the fact that there is a struggle for the survival of the people. In the DPRK now, almost everyone who is not in hard labor believes in this. And no one will complain about hunger, or cold, or any humiliation in such a situation. And if he does, he disappears as an enemy of the people, see above.

    So dear commentators who missed Stalin very much. You cannot be prohibited from dreaming and commenting on how it was not at all so bad under Stalin, and certainly better than now, because, you see, there was a "national idea", but now everything is sold out, etc. etc. And it is not right to want or try to forbid you to do it. But are you just ready to close the border again for the sake of Stalin's return and start shooting enemies of the people? Why do you think that some kind of "national idea" is possible at all, no matter how much you personally like it and warm your soul, from which people cannot be allowed to refuse, and for the refusal of which it is right to shoot? I'm not talking about helping the Nazis, but simply about the desire to leave your national idea in very, very bad states, where their banks will be robbed and in general everything is not like the liberals lie, but from which you can leave at any time in turn.
    1. dmb
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      31 August 2011 13: 04
      Cosmopolitanism is not a new phenomenon, and a person who considers this to be his conviction is hardly worth convincing otherwise. And what prevents you from realizing your idea and leaving for the states, and if you don't like it, Switzerland or Luxembourg. Most likely lack of money. Well then, try to earn them honestly. And without money, you are simply not needed there, you will not be allowed into that bright democracy. As for the border closure, it will be closed for those who trivially stole the indicated money from the rest. This may not be democratic, but it is fair. And it is unlikely that in those "light" countries that you dream of, you will be led with honors behind the "hillock", and will be put in a cage if you steal this money there.
      1. dna
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        31 August 2011 19: 25
        I have been living "over the hill" for a long time and earn money honestly. And they let me into a light democracy without money, and now I have earned money - no problem. Democracy, of course, is incomparably brighter for those who are already there than for those who still want to get there. There is no dispute here. By the way, by the way, the idea was not mine - the child is not asked about it.

        Only I didn't talk about it at all. The question is not where is better, and it is right or wrong to go from one country to another. The question is, is it right to keep those who want to go against their will. I did not understand what you mean about who WILL be blocked for, and what kind of authority WILL do it. If it is really "trivial" to steal money, this is a criminal case and there is nothing to discuss. If you just earn it honestly, and then some of them, out of greed and envy, shout that they "stole" (I personally do not blame you for this), then there is nothing to discuss either. If, during the distribution of the property of the former union, he cleverly got out and tidied up billions of oil wells for himself, I will not argue, this is theft. But, you see, this applies literally to units. But in the USSR, this did not apply at all to people who wanted to leave. Those who put money from the sale of national oil into their pockets were not going to go anywhere. But to the question whether it was right not to let those who were not going to take a dime with them, you did not even try to answer. Therefore, I ask it again.
        1. dmb
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          1 September 2011 14: 33
          Wrong, on one condition. Even now, laborers are not needed there, there are enough of them from among the visiting Arabs. blacks and Chinese. And you think it's fair enough. get free education and professional skills, and then it is trivial to "throw" their employers. Nobody will allow you in that free world. So why do you think this is possible in my country. The carriers of state secrets have not yet been released. It would be funny to see the reaction of the Americans if one of their officials with specific information comes to Russia and behaves like Mr. Kalugin.

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