Ukrainian army gets new military equipment

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December 6 Ukrainian military celebrated their professional holiday. A solemn ceremony of the transfer of military equipment, which will soon begin to be used during the so-called. anti-terrorist operation. Last Saturday, over a hundred units of various military equipment were handed over to the military at the Chuguev airfield. The ceremony was attended by the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.

Ukrainian army gets new military equipment


Externally, the ceremony of the transfer of technology looked spectacular. On the runway of the airfield, various combat vehicles of different classes and types were lined up in several rows. Apparently, such a “parade system" was supposed to inspire the military and impress the civilian population of Ukraine. Indeed, the simultaneous transfer of hundreds of pieces of equipment to the troops looks impressive and cannot but please the supporters of the new authorities. According to Ukrainian media, the troops received Tanks T-64BM Bulat, T-64BV, T-72B1, T-72UA and T-72A, as well as armored personnel carriers and several helicopters.

The transfer ceremony of the equipment came out spectacular and memorable, but for specialists and amateurs of military affairs, it looks completely unequivocal. We can say that the solemn event was held in order to hide the real situation and at the same time save face. The situation in the Ukrainian army and defense industry for a very long time makes you want something better, which has been regularly demonstrated in recent months. For example, the basis of the tank units of the army are T-64 tanks of various modifications, built before the collapse of the Soviet Union. More new equipment is also present, but its quantity is small and cannot have a serious impact on the state of the troops. As for industry, for example, in recent decades, tank-building enterprises of Ukraine have built very few new tanks, because most of the time they either repaired the existing equipment or stood idle without military orders.

Available information about the state of the army and industry in Ukraine puts the recent ceremony in a very interesting light. Detailed consideration of the equipment transferred to the troops is of great interest, since it can reveal the real situation in the neighboring country.

During the "anti-terrorist operation", the armed forces of Ukraine lost several dozen aircraft and helicopters, which extremely negatively affected the condition of the already small fleet of combat-ready aviation technicians. On December 6, a new helicopter transfer took place, which is expected to correct the situation to some extent. Seven multi-purpose helicopters were handed over to the troops: three Mi-8MSB-V, two Mi-2MSB and two Mi-2. Before the transfer, the last two cars underwent repair and restoration. The remaining helicopters were repaired at the Motor Sich enterprise and received new engines. Mi-8 received engines TV3-117VMA-SBM1V 4E, Mi-2 - AI-450M.

It is noteworthy that the troops did not receive a single specialized combat helicopter. All seven "new" cars are designed to transport people and cargo, and in addition, they are modernized old helicopters. However, in the existing conditions of shortage of equipment and such supplies may be useful. In the spring and summer, the Donbass militia managed to inflict such damage on the Ukrainian Air Force that even seven helicopters would not be superfluous.

Together with seven helicopters, the military received several dozen armored personnel carriers and tanks. Thus, a number of armored personnel carriers BTR-4E were delivered to the Chuguev airfield. These machines were developed by Kharkov designers, but so far have not been supplied to the armed forces of Ukraine. Due to the financial capabilities of the military, the first order for the supply of BTR-4E was signed only in July of this year. However, even in the spring the first armored vehicles of this model were transferred to the National Guard. Last Saturday, the transfer of the first army armored vehicles.

Of great interest is the "origin" of at least part of the armored personnel carriers transferred on December 6. Last year, Ukrainian enterprises fell into an extremely embarrassing situation: Iraq, which ordered the BTR-4E vehicles, rejected the next batch and refused to accept it. As a result, the ship with armored vehicles spent several months in the roadstead, was then arrested, and eventually returned back to Ukraine. It is this technique after minor modifications, apparently, formed the basis of the party transferred a few days ago.

In addition to the Fours, the Ukrainian military for the first time received several armored personnel carriers BTR-3E1U. Until recently, such machines were supplied only to foreign customers. In May 2014, several BTR-3Е1У were handed over to the National Guard, and soon an order from the ground forces appeared. According to some reports, the Ukrainian security forces received equipment, built on the order of Thailand, but never transferred to this country.

The defense industry of Ukraine can produce a relatively small range of military equipment. For this reason, special attention is paid to the repair of existing machines. For example, on December 6, the military was handed over several 2СXNNXX “Carnation” self-propelled artillery systems with 1 mm caliber guns. Probably, these cars recently took part in the battles, after which they were sent for repairs. After restoring self-propelled guns returned to the military.

Similar is the case with other armored vehicles. Thus, the T-64BM “Bulat” tanks were already seen in the combat zone and now appeared at the ceremony of transferring equipment. It is reported that December 6 troops were transferred "Bulat", recently undergone repairs. In September, a number of combat vehicles were transferred to the Kharkov plant them. Malysheva for the purpose of repair. Restoration of the first batch of tanks completed, over 10 machines transferred to the military. Until the end of the year, Kharkiv specialists must repair a few dozen more T-64BMs.

The fleet of tank units of Ukraine on Saturday was replenished with several modernized T-64B1M tanks. Such equipment has not previously been in service with the Ukrainian army and its “origin” raises questions. According to some reports, the military received armored vehicles built to the order of the Congolese army, as a result of which the African country was left without the desired technology. According to other sources, T-64B1М for Ukraine are relatively new and are taken from storage tanks, upgraded according to the “Congolese” project.

Of particular interest are the tanks of the T-72 family shown on Saturday. Ukraine has long abandoned the operation of such equipment in favor of the T-64 and its modifications. Now, the situation with the equipment forces the command of the armed forces to resume the operation of the decommissioned equipment. T-72UA and T-72AV tanks were transferred to the troops. The equipment of both modifications was built in the interests of third countries and had to go to foreign customers. Thus, T-72UA tanks were previously supplied to Ethiopia, and T-XNUMHAB, according to various sources, were to be sent to South Sudan or to Nigeria. However, all these vehicles were removed from the export order and transferred to their own armed forces.

In addition to military equipment, the army received several trucks from the Kremenchug Automobile Plant. It is noteworthy that only these vehicles can be considered as truly new equipment, built specifically for arming the Ukrainian army. All other armored vehicles and helicopters handed over to the December 6 military got into the army in more complex ways: they were repaired, removed from storage, restored and modernized, including in the interests of the armies of third countries.

Last Saturday, it became known that the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense wants to arm the army not only with its own stored equipment, but also with foreign machines. Deputy Director General of the Ukroboronprom enterprise Sergey Pinkas 6 of December said that the Ministry of Defense had decided to purchase light armored cars. Experts have studied the existing market and made their verdict. It turned out that an Ukrainian-made armored car with the required characteristics costs about 5,5 million hryvnias, a similar European vehicle - at least 430-460 thousand euros. At the same time, it is possible to purchase a British-made Saxon armored car that will cost 38 thousand US dollars. Taking into account the delivery and execution of the necessary documents, the price of one such machine will grow to 51 thousand dollars.



According to S. Pinkas, the first batch of AT-105 Saxon decommissioned cars will arrive in Ukraine in the next few days. The rest of the equipment will be delivered in the future 2015 year. Such a new old equipment is considered an affordable alternative to outdated vehicles in service with the Ukrainian army. After the transfer to the Ukrainian side, the Saxons will undergo modernization, during which they will receive a kind of combat module.

Details of the transaction have not yet been published. The authors of the BMPD blog believe that British-made AT-105 Saxon armored cars, long overdue from the United Kingdom Army, will be purchased from US-based General Equipment Inc. This organization once bought up the British equipment that was decommissioned and now sells it to anyone.

In total, last Saturday, the Ukrainian army received 102 units of military equipment. Careful consideration of this supply confirms the precarious situation in the military and defense industry. In order to meet the needs of the army, which has suffered serious losses in recent months, enterprises have not only to work in several shifts, but also to refuse foreign customers to execute their orders.

Nevertheless, despite the methods and methods of fulfilling orders, the Ukrainian armed forces nevertheless received a repaired and reconstructed equipment that can be used in battles. Naturally, a long stay in storage has a negative effect on the condition of armored vehicles, but they still retain a certain combat effectiveness and, after repair, can perform the assigned combat missions.

This means that in the very near future in the area of ​​the so-called. anti-terrorist operation will appear new tanks, armored personnel carriers, trucks and helicopters. It is obvious that part of the equipment transferred on Saturday will soon be destroyed or will become a trophy of the Donbass militia. However, before that, any vehicle can cause serious damage to both the militia and civilians. It seems that the Kiev authorities intend to continue the war. A recent transfer of technology confirms such concerns. Militias need to prepare for future attacks of the enemy.













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  1. +15
    9 December 2014 07: 35
    Last Saturday, more than a hundred units of various military equipment were transferred to the military at the Chuguev airfield. The ceremony was attended by President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.


    And all this against the backdrop of Potroshenko’s promises of a ceasefire.
    1. +1
      9 December 2014 08: 29
      Quote: aszzz888
      Last Saturday, more than a hundred units of various military equipment were transferred to the military at the Chuguev airfield. The ceremony was attended by President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.


      And all this against the backdrop of Potroshenko’s promises of a ceasefire.

      they don’t understand one thing, they ran into Kadyrov — they will get it in full, the Chechens will bring a birch there or a piglet, or even the whole joy with the government in Grozny ... family ties in the Caucasus are ADAT (Sacred) ...
      1. Crang
        0
        9 December 2014 10: 47
        Well, finally. Dill already straight crap. With such a technique.
    2. +5
      9 December 2014 08: 38
      I hope all this equipment without a single shot goes to the militias, but it’s better to head to Kiev on your own. But in the real case, it will burn on the battlefield.
    3. +10
      9 December 2014 10: 18
      Mlyn how many deaths again
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    5. +1
      9 December 2014 11: 13
      Quote: aszzz888
      And all this against the backdrop of Potroshenko’s promises of a ceasefire.

      Apparently, he only manages sweets there)
    6. Pervusha Isaev
      -1
      9 December 2014 15: 38
      Well, now imagine that there is Russian fuel equipment on the damask steel, but on the kraz there is generally a yamz engine, so that "our" breeders of Deripaskin will have their own grain on Russian blood, from this bloody bird ...
      1. 0
        9 December 2014 21: 08
        Quote: Pervusha Isaev
        Well, now imagine that Russian fuel equipment is on bulat

        No need to repeat fiction from the Internet. As for the fuel equipment. And YaMZ at KrAZ is by no means fatal. YaMZ can be bought even in Africa.
        Our business is to help Novorossia pick up more from these intense dill works.
        No attempts are enough if you confidently hit the BTT (and artillery systems, and cars, etc.) with high-precision weapons! laughing And not very high precision either!
        It is in this matter that we need to concentrate our efforts, and not to vigil, as it were, but the tested, but by no means a new miracle of the YaMZ-236 (238) equipment was in Ukraine.
        1. Pervusha Isaev
          0
          9 December 2014 22: 39
          Quote: Alekseev
          No need to repeat fiction from the Internet. As for fuel equipment



          is it a lie?
          http://etoonda.livejournal.com/394052.html

          Quote: Alekseev
          YaMZ can be bought even in Africa

          and where are they from in africa? is there a plant there, is Yaroslavsky an engine manufacturer? Or do you think that Ukrainians are already dumber than black ones and are buying African engines?

          Quote: Alekseev
          No attempts are enough if you confidently hit the BTT (and artillery systems, and cars, etc.) with high-precision weapons!


          that is, do you propose selling high-precision weapons to the militia to defeat Russian spare parts on tanks and engines at the edge? so who are you after that?


          Quote: Alekseev
          and not vigilance, as it were tested, but by no means a new miracle of the YaMZ-236 (238) equipment in Ukraine was not.


          if you don’t watch, then you will supply the Nazis with tanks and planes, "why, everything is from Africa" ​​...
          1. wanderer_032
            0
            10 December 2014 12: 25
            Quote: Pervusha Isaev
            is it a lie?
            http://etoonda.livejournal.com/394052.html


            About Yaroslavl diesel engines, which are on Ukrainian tanks, yes.
            It can only be a fuel injection pump and other elements of the fuel system (nozzles, etc.), if objectively.
    7. Rumata
      +3
      9 December 2014 17: 09
      And Novorossi what? New-old messaging wiring from Surkov’s liquidator about federalization? When did so much Russian blood spill? Should someone else believe in this?

      Or help yourself?

      As they say, when the grandmother is a "separatist" ...
    8. 0
      9 December 2014 18: 58
      He had already promised a lot, this chocolate one.
    9. 0
      9 December 2014 20: 18
      Burn all the fuck with the crews and commanders.
  2. +3
    9 December 2014 07: 50
    As in that fairy tale: "They scratched the bottom of the barrel, swept it over the barns ..." It seems that the latter really is. Poverty, ugh !!!
    1. +1
      9 December 2014 10: 26
      Quote: ksv1973
      "It looks like it really is the latter.
      Moreover, the T-64B1M was originally intended for itself by the National Guard, but at the last moment the army officers "dragged" them to this review and ... took them for themselves. Remained "national bastards" without "strong guys" ...
      1. 0
        9 December 2014 20: 54
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: ksv1973
        "It looks like it really is the latter.
        Moreover, the T-64B1M was originally intended for itself by the National Guard, but at the last moment the army officers "dragged" them to this review and ... took them for themselves. Remained "national bastards" without "strong guys" ...

        "Strong" - this is how my classmate (now an excellent therapist) collectively calls medicines for diarrhea.
        So WITHOUT WHERE THERE were the Nazis left ?! lol
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  3. +6
    9 December 2014 07: 53
    Ukrainian army gets new military equipment , then to transfer to the militias, as it was more than once .. wink
  4. +1
    9 December 2014 07: 56
    Already very similar to a fairy tale, most likely the technique was driven old, painted and put on the parade ground.
    1. 0
      9 December 2014 13: 52
      I'll just leave it here -

      Well, if it’s really possible, apart from the 15 T-72AV and 10 T-72B, nothing more has been done in six months, this is an indicator of productivity. Not a single new BTR-3E was assembled ... By the way, our BTRZ is no better - tanks theoretically surrender, but 8-10 per month, not more. And of these 8-10 cars, usually half are limitedly combat-ready.

      What is it like? Without wheels or without a gun, like driving or not shooting, or shooting but not driving?


      No, I did one familiar acceptance - in half (a record in 10 of 12) the systems did not work. Those. the tank is an armored box with a gun. Electronics did not work fully.
  5. +1
    9 December 2014 08: 03
    Well, it becomes clear why Iraq rejected a batch of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers. Even then, the "puppeteers" were planning the Maidan and the war between Russians and Russians.
    1. +7
      9 December 2014 12: 35
      Quote: DesToeR
      Well, it becomes clear why Iraq rejected a batch of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers. Even then, the "puppeteers" were planning the Maidan and the war between Russians and Russians.


      There is a problem with the armor, when the Iraqis began to take the Bate-era, it was discovered in several cracks in the building, in short, something was wrongly cooked by the steelworkers.

      off-top:
      - tonight, in Kharkov, the UPA monument was blown up.
      clickable
      1. 0
        9 December 2014 12: 56
        Yesterday was the anniversary (100-e) of the creation of air defense forces in Russia, in fact realizing that there was nothing to be embarrassed about, Russian air defense forces officially confirmed the fact of the interception of the American drone MQ-5B Hanter 13 on March 2014 over Perekop.

        http://warsonline.info/ukraine/fakt-perechvata-amerikanskogo-bespilotnika-v-mart
        e-nad-krimom-podtverzhden-ofitsialno.html
  6. +8
    9 December 2014 08: 03
    We re-agreed. Why rejoice, bragging is to do with it. It’s easy to stop a decommissioned armored car from the keyboard. And what did Russia transmit to the militia: a statement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, if only the helicopter would be thrown up screeched, but there is no time again to shower professionals that Russia does not need them?
    1. wk
      +18
      9 December 2014 09: 13
      and Glazyev warned the Ukrainian army to strengthen by the winter, and not only in terms of weapons .... the army is such a mechanism that improves in hostilities ... organizationally, tactically and strategically .... losses and hardships awaken the motivation of fighters to avenge their friends. ..for himself torn from a peaceful life .... and no matter how neglected it is this ARMY! - the army of the Soviet school! ... and no militia, with all their courage, can cope with the army ... if they object to me with the examples of Kovpak and, in general, a fairly successful guerrilla war in the USSR, then one must understand that it was a clearly structured army just acting in behind enemy lines, in which the charter, operational and strategic planning and command acted ... Strelkov tried to create an ARMY on the basis of the militia ... he was not allowed ... and I must admit that if not the army of "vacationers" about which he himself repeatedly told There were no shooters either DNR or LNR .... the other day I watched a video with a militia fight, as they say, "I cry" in such cases from the complete disorganization of this event.
      1. +6
        9 December 2014 11: 12
        OX AND THE RIGHTS YOU ARE FRIENDS, as it is not regrettable to declare but to study at the university, they are gaining experience., And the rest will be given to them by faithful Amer lackeys
      2. Crang
        +2
        9 December 2014 13: 03
        Quote: wk
        . and no militia with all their courage can cope with the army ...

        So this militia is already exactly the same army at the moment. With unlimited resources (thanks to Voentorg). Which is being improved much faster. If only because normal people serve in it and there are no such gigantic losses.
    2. +7
      9 December 2014 10: 47
      Quote: Aleksiy
      It’s easy to stop a decommissioned armored car from the keyboard.

      Before they destroy the "decommissioned" armored car or cover the obsolete self-propelled guns with a response salvo, they have time to fire a burst or fire several shells at the enemy (militia) or residential areas of Novorossiya.
      The truce gave the punishers what they needed most - time. And the Ukrainian army used this time with maximum benefit for itself. Whatever the technology transferred is old, but it drives, flies and shoots. And these are human lives.
      Dear wk is absolutely right (comment below). The army is a self-developing and self-improving organism. For all the shortcomings of the Ukrainian high military command, the middle echelon of the Ukrainian army is served by people who have gone through the Soviet (and Russian at one time) school, who have experience of military operations in "hot" spots and leadership of military units. And it's worth a lot.
    3. Crang
      +2
      9 December 2014 10: 49
      Quote: Aleksiy
      And the militias that Russia handed over

      Tanks T-72B, T-72BM, T-72B3. Armored personnel carriers BTR-80 and BTR-82AM. Ammunition with MLRS. ATGM. Yes, a lot of things.
      1. +1
        9 December 2014 11: 22
        Msta-B (there are more of them than was hit) and Nona-K (there are more of them than there were in all of Ukraine) from the artillery of the militia. Also, the old 100-mm BS-3 and, probably, the D-30 ("Kalashnikov" among artillery - so widespread that it is possible to identify whence very difficult).

        In addition, the militia from somewhere appeared in commodity quantities 2C1 and 2C3.
      2. +1
        9 December 2014 12: 10
        T-72B3


        Even the militias? Or is it for you that the militia, that the volunteers are vacationers ?!
        1. Crang
          +1
          9 December 2014 12: 18
          Quote: 31231
          Or is it for you that the militia, that the volunteers are vacationers ?!

          Yes.
        2. +1
          9 December 2014 12: 45
          What's the difference? That the militias are fighting against the junta, that the volunteers.
      3. +1
        9 December 2014 12: 58
        Only T-72B3 was not delivered.
        1. Crang
          +1
          9 December 2014 13: 01
          Delivered. Photo is avaiable. Including the already torn photo of the torn T-72B3 tower.
        2. +1
          9 December 2014 13: 25
          Quote: Vadim237
          Only T-72B3 was not delivered.

          Supplied. There was a report from the DPR about "a captured Ukrainian tank with foreign equipment." Very clever journalists filmed the interior of the fighting compartment in detail - and it coincided by 99% with the well-known photos of the T-72BZ interior. Even the shooting point was chosen the same.

          Then it turned out that this tank was captured by the ZSU from the militias and later abandoned by the Ukrainians almost intact (although, according to their media reports, it almost single-handedly destroyed all the forces of the "separatists", but was heavily damaged and left by the crew).
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  7. +2
    9 December 2014 08: 16
    threw all customers
  8. +2
    9 December 2014 08: 19
    SEND them right here in this parking lot.
    Yeah, we don’t know who did it, they themselves exploded ....
    1. +1
      9 December 2014 10: 36
      I thought about that too. But in Soviet times I served at this airport for 11 years ...
  9. +1
    9 December 2014 08: 22
    A good review, although we will know what will soon appear in the militias. laughing
  10. +3
    9 December 2014 08: 35
    Even with the current level of a fierce "truce", this amount of equipment will barely be enough until the New Year, and then it will definitely go to scrap metal from all over Europe. Not to mention the possible cancellation of the shaky peace, which is so unfavorable to all sides. Then Ukraine will have to remember about the cavalry.
  11. +1
    9 December 2014 08: 38
    The supreme commander of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, handed over hundreds of pieces of equipment to the "army" of Ukraine and asked to hand it over to the militia of Novorossiya.
  12. +10
    9 December 2014 08: 39
    ... new after the meeting in Donbass .. "beat, beat and will beat"! am
  13. +2
    9 December 2014 08: 50
    For a long time, they will drink glass or drink it or lose it! wassat
  14. +12
    9 December 2014 09: 11
    100 units. It sucks. Despite the bravura speeches that "everything will burn" or "will be a trophy" - first you need to work very hard to burn it up or be captured. This is not Call of Duty. It is not easy to knock out a tank or an armored personnel carrier. To the guys from the militia of military luck and good health.
  15. +4
    9 December 2014 09: 32
    Sofa special forces with forum marshals - burns.
  16. 0
    9 December 2014 09: 42
    Peremozhnaya peremoga ?!
  17. +5
    9 December 2014 09: 46

    We noticed Poroshenko at the rocket launcher, 100% shoots at civilians !!! It is necessary to start a criminal case !!! How to Parechenkova!


    SMILE !!! Open bridges at the armored car! Any armor pierces such a bridge and it is possible to shoot it from an automatic weapon as in a dash!
    1. +2
      9 December 2014 10: 27
      This is a patrol gravitsap, back in the Ulster they rode on them in the seventies. What a module they want to stick on the device.
    2. Tirpitz
      -31
      9 December 2014 10: 56
      Does that smile you too?
      1. +7
        9 December 2014 11: 50
        And who is this?
        Bushkov's Piranha character? FC Gazovik player? A cadet of a non-existent 5th course KVVKU? Or the parent of a Buryat teacher training college entrant?
      2. +4
        9 December 2014 12: 24
        Maidan of the brain is for life! Look at the losses of your punishers, how many are already 40000 killed, or even more ?? Morons ......
        1. Crang
          +1
          9 December 2014 12: 30
          They are not afraid.
        2. Tirpitz
          -29
          9 December 2014 13: 41
          yeah 40000, but not 200000? 40000 does not hide in any way. We bury our own as heroes, and not throw them into mines.
          1. The Art of War
            +11
            9 December 2014 13: 54
            Yes, we drove noticeably with a bulldozer and buried here the heroes you bury, and you take grandmothers to the war by selling their injured organs, or rather, the Jews do grandmothers against you.
          2. Crang
            +4
            9 December 2014 13: 57
            Wait a bit. Do not calm down - you will be 40.
            1. -16
              9 December 2014 16: 15
              Quote: Krang
              Wait a bit. Do not calm down - you will be 40.

              MDA and they say that we don’t love them, apparently they wish good
              Although thank you for your directness and for the confirmation of the supply of heavy equipment and artifacts
              And then get to hear they say Russia is nothing and the militias only themselves and only trophies
              Long did not recognize
              1. Crang
                +8
                9 December 2014 16: 23
                Quote: Cristall
                MDA and they say that we don’t love them-

                And there is. Who started it first? "Mos kalyaku na gilyaku", "Kill the Colorado", Odessa on May 2, lawlessness and murder in the Donbass. Exhibition with posters. Who did it all? This is YOU "dear". So eat the return line on full moral rights.
                Quote: Cristall
                supplies of heavy equipment and artillery

                And you thought the militias were against you with a rake and shovels or something. And you crush their tanks yes? And then you rape and shoot their wives and children. And you will create your outrage in their cities. You really thought so? HA. If it’s real, then this is to the doctor, and not to me.
                Quote: Cristall
                And then get to hear they say Russia is nothing and the militias only themselves and only trophies

                So officially it is. We are not helping the militias with anything.
                Quote: Cristall
                Long did not recognize

                And do not recognize. We will answer you the same. that is, lying foolishly looking into your eyes. And do not prove anything. What will you do? Will you go to the Strasbourg court? So take a word. We do not intervene.
              2. +3
                9 December 2014 23: 22
                Quote: Cristall
                And then get to hear they say Russia is nothing and the militias only themselves and only trophies


                So it is so. Civilians of Donbass, workers, took up arms, protecting their relatives, and piled on stoned Kiev, pro-Western, democratic banderlogs, squeezing out a third of their equipment. laughing
              3. 0
                9 December 2014 23: 31
                It would be better if he brought money, but ate something, otherwise they would have this good in bulk, even the militias are exchanged for food and water. laughing
          3. 0
            9 December 2014 20: 29
            You have no heroes, you have only war criminals and a crowd of criminals.
          4. 0
            9 December 2014 20: 29
            You have no heroes, you have only war criminals and a crowd of criminals.
          5. +2
            9 December 2014 21: 59
            Tirpritz - Can you prove your words? Or just like to quote the information that the oligarchs present to you in their media?
          6. +2
            9 December 2014 23: 17
            Quote: Tirpitz
            . We bury our heroes, and do not throw into the mines.


            Maidan excavator. laughing
          7. kazak77
            +1
            10 December 2014 02: 49
            Wait a moment, you will have 200000 heroes.
      3. +1
        9 December 2014 14: 37
        Quote: Tirpitz
        Tirpitz

        I am interested in one question, as BTR-4 showed itself, in a military conflict.
        1. 0
          9 December 2014 16: 20
          While it is better to triple and 80, but one was about a block post, that's for sure there is a photo
          Attempts to completely disable failed, everything can be restored
          4 as I like, but not too damp in battle
          1. 0
            9 December 2014 16: 32
            Quote: Cristall
            4 as I like, but not too damp in battle

            Do you have a model there without frontal glazing, did they participate in the battle?
            Yes, and the module Sail-outwardly on the box from under the Soviet TV does not mention.
            1. Tirpitz
              0
              9 December 2014 16: 45
              There is a friend who was at 3 in the ATO. Says only the combat module from 80 is different. BTR 4 everyone wants.
              1. 0
                9 December 2014 16: 59
                Quote: Tirpitz
                There is a friend who was at 3 in the ATO. Says only the combat module from 80 is different. BTR 4 everyone wants.

                Well, we are not interested in strong "seaworthiness". The main thing is mine protection and aft door opening.
                4 the very thing for the evacuation of the wounded, there and the combat module can be put on easier. Only those who wanted to order with German engines.
              2. +3
                9 December 2014 17: 56
                Quote: Tirpitz
                There is a friend who was at 3 in the ATO. Says only the combat module from 80 is different. BTR 4 everyone wants.
                By the way, you are not going to produce BTR-4MV ?! Somehow they look more solid than simple fours ..
                1. 0
                  9 December 2014 18: 09
                  Quote: Alibekulu
                  By the way, you are not going to produce BTR-4MV ?! Somehow they look more solid than simple fours ..

                  So I’m talking about this car.
                  So I follow 4kami, a real APC for us.
      4. 0
        9 December 2014 20: 24
        Caricature yes it is strong Please provide facts:
        For example, in Russia, the ruble depreciated
        and phrases about what delicious hedgehogs in the suburbs do not need
      5. stranik72
        +4
        9 December 2014 21: 26
        THIS IS PERSONAL FOR YOU, SO IT WILL BE WITH YOU, YOUR SON OR Grandson. DEATH BANDERLOGU.
    3. 0
      9 December 2014 17: 43
      Quote: shimus
      SMILE !!! Open bridges at the armored car! Any armor pierces such a bridge and it is possible to shoot it from an automatic weapon as in a dash!



      And everywhere on the details is non-metric thread ...

      The first breakdown and the Saxon will get up.
  18. +6
    9 December 2014 10: 14
    One thing amazes me. They demolish and destroy all reminders of the "totalitarian Soviet regime", BUT they draw on the armor a guard sign with a St. George ribbon, and there is a flyer with a Red Banner ...
    1. +3
      9 December 2014 10: 31
      Quote: _Plastun_
      here is a flyer with a red banner .....
      not red, but CRIMPLE
      The flag of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, developed by the military-heraldic service, is a raspberry cloth with the emblem-symbol of the Armed Forces in the center.


      Decree of the President of Ukraine No. 550/2006 approved the drawing and description of the basic model of the Combat banner of the military unit (association) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The model developed at the beginning of the century was practically approved. Description of the Battle Banner according to the text of the Decree:

      "The battle banner of the military unit (formation) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (hereinafter - the Battle banner) is a square crimson cloth measuring 130 x 130 cm with a margin for attachment to the pole.
      On the front side of the Battle banner in the center is the emblem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, placed against a background of golden rays that diverge three from the center between the sides of the emblem (cross). On the rays is an image of wreaths of leaves and bunches of viburnum, in the center of which is an emblem of the type of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to which the military unit (association) belongs.
      The cloth along the perimeter has a border trimmed with gold edging. The upper part of the border bears the inscription "FOR UKRAINE", and the lower one - the inscription "FOR HER WILL". The right and left parts of the border are decorated with an ornament in the form of an image of leaves and clusters of viburnum. In the corners of the Battle Banner, in squares trimmed around the perimeter with gold edging, there is an image of straight equilateral crosses with diverging sides. "
      On the back of the Battle Banner in the center is the inscription of the full name of the military unit (formation), which is awarded the Battle Banner.
      The back side of the Battle Banner is decorated around the perimeter with a border with an ornament in the form of images of leaves and clusters of viburnum. In the corners there are emblems of the kind of troops to which the military unit (compound) belongs.
      All images and inscriptions on the banner of the Battle banner are made of gold embroidery.
      The free sides of the Battle Banner are decorated with gold fringe.
      The height of the emblem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is 5/7 of the height of the panel, the border width along with the edging is -1/10 of the width of the panel.
      Banner wooden shaft, brown. The top of the shaft is arrow-shaped of yellow metal, it contains a relief image of the emblem of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. A cord is attached to the pommel tube, the ends of which are decorated with tassels. The cord and kittens are woven from threads of yellow and blue.
      The heads of the flag nails are yellow metal.
      A truncated cone underflow of a yellow metal shaft. "
    2. +5
      9 December 2014 11: 52
      Quote: _Plastun_
      One thing amazes me. They demolish and destroy all reminders of the "totalitarian Soviet regime", BUT they draw on the armor a guard sign with a St. George ribbon, and there is a flyer with a Red Banner ...

      Duc ... this is Ukraine. Double-mindedness there is the norm, Orwell would have been glad.

      Remember the Ukrainian servicemen marching under the red banner shouting "America is with us." wassat
  19. +4
    9 December 2014 10: 16
    The "combat" Mi-2s look especially menacing, they are already scary drinks
    1. 0
      9 December 2014 10: 57
      Quote: AlNick
      The "combat" Mi-2s look especially formidable.

      Judging by the pennant and banner, these are training Mi-2s. Put up for mass and inspiration - ooooh, how many of us are! fellow For the rest of the technique, it raises serious concerns ... This is how many lives should be laid ... The most amazing thing is that Donbass is no longer needed by the rest of Ukraine! negative
    2. +1
      9 December 2014 13: 06
      A large-caliber machine gun will be put on it and will be naughty in cities and villages, then it will be scary and there is nothing ridiculous in this.
  20. +2
    9 December 2014 11: 05
    And the armored personnel carriers are cooked up from the old 70s, except that they put up a new tower, but Krazovskie motors!
    1. -9
      9 December 2014 13: 16
      Quote: Father Nikon
      And the armored personnel carriers are cooked up from the old 70s, except that they put up a new tower, but Krazovskie motors!

      if you are about triples they are with 80 currents. 4 E1 has another.
      However, of the transferred equipment, most of all 4 are pleasing - they are beautiful.
      The twinks will still be transmitted, in general, the APU needs UAVs (the whole country is trying to make them out of anything) of artillery and aviation ...
      They are waiting for the return of mi 24 (their application will be revised) after modernization
      militarization!
      For the year the APU received more than 20 ...
      about air defense information should not be provided.
      I wouldn’t even talk about small batches at all - but the information age + psychological component ..
      1. stranik72
        +2
        9 December 2014 21: 48
        + psychological component.
        In order not to be guessed by ourselves. Free will. Nothing presented to your Gauleiter is INCREDIBLE, even RPG-7, let it not destroy all this equipment separately, but it can take it out for a while. And to help the militia with something more serious, if necessary, we will help. As for the Mi-24, Madame, don’t even dream about its performance characteristics and the possibilities for modernization that you have in order to remain intact, suggest only one change in its use, do not fly. Madam, the time is now like this, either you or us is nothing personal, for a number of reasons nothing shines for you in the Donbass except death, so surrender to the caches in Galitina. AND WHY IT WILL BE SO:
      2. kazak77
        0
        10 December 2014 03: 13
        For your beautiful technique, panochka, there is one universal repair key, called RPG-7. The guys from the DNI and LC, where you need to twist your hohlotehniki. Yes, and you fly at a time on brooms, and not on Crocodiles.
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  22. -GoRiNiCh-
    +4
    9 December 2014 11: 15
    I did not observe air defense systems))) Likely during exercises)))
  23. +5
    9 December 2014 11: 41
    Could cover all this trash, right on the airfield with GRADES.
  24. 0
    9 December 2014 11: 42
    A pitchfork or a trident is such a thing that you can run into and the state itself on the emblem of which it is located, this is the weapon of the farm laborers, and further the trouble will only grow, which we see.
  25. +1
    9 December 2014 12: 03
    On December 6, the Ukrainian military celebrated their professional holiday.
    According to legend, the day is bad. Pomors pray to Nicholas the Wonderworker, sit at home, do not go to the sea. My first wedding was on 6.12. He had a fight with a freshly baked mother-in-law. Then he returned her wife.
    1. 0
      9 December 2014 18: 22
      Where are the pomors and where Ukraine is one and the same well and personal is not proof either
      I would take better on May 8
      But December 6th is not a very date, December 7th .....
  26. +2
    9 December 2014 12: 20
    Poroshenko is only a clown ... The real president of the former Ukraine, and now ukroreyha-Joseph Biden! A government ukroreyha-only puppets in the hands of Biden and Co. .......
  27. +1
    9 December 2014 12: 30
    we will also see t-62 and t-55
    1. Crang
      +1
      9 December 2014 12: 59
      By the way, despite the deplorable state of the Ukrainian army, I did not see either the T-55 or T-62 in their ranks, although we actively used these machines in both Chechen campaigns and the 2008 war.
      1. +4
        9 December 2014 16: 35
        It surprises me too. T-62 is a good tank.
        If you weigh it with DZ, and with nets tight-tight,
        then he would be quite competitive.
        It has a significant advantage: shells can
        place conveniently and safely, with all sorts of fire walls.
        (In 1943, the Es-Es of the Reich division redid the captured T-34-76.
        So they completely differently placed and fixed shells.
        These tanks were the most tenacious of all modifications of the T-34 -
        shells did not detonate when penetrated).
  28. +1
    9 December 2014 12: 39
    well, well, cool walkers .....
    SEVASTOPOL, 9 Dec - RIA Novosti. The Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon complexes of the air defense forces stationed in Crimea have shot down several Ukrainian drones over the past month, which have invaded the region's airspace from the north, a source in the security structures of Crimea told RIA Novosti on Tuesday.

    © RIA News. Mikhail Fomichev
    Russian air defense in March in Crimea "planted" a US drone With the deployment of the Pantsir and S-300 complexes in the Crimean region, a full-fledged air defense group was created and deployed, which includes short-range and long-range complexes, capable of effectively resisting air and missile attacks ...
    “The Pantsir air defense missile system, the division of which is based near the Chongar Isthmus, was fired at the targets,” the agency's source said.



    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20141209/1037299957.html#ixzz3LOLjxsX3
  29. aleksandr33
    +2
    9 December 2014 12: 49
    The main thing is beautifully arranged and solemnly presented. Like the Nazis in parades ......
  30. 0
    9 December 2014 13: 16
    All this is very bad, now the superiority of artillery and equipment of Ukrokiborgostan over the militias is absolutely.
    1. Crang
      +1
      9 December 2014 13: 33
      Who told you? Something about a hundred pieces of equipment were transmitted, of which there were not so many main battle tanks. And many of them are old types. A lot of ordinary T-64BV and their modifications.
      1. 0
        9 December 2014 17: 35
        It’s they are building up forces and I think they will build up trample before summer and summer, the militias don’t have MLRS Smerch, hurricanes are also few, and in terms of ammunition there is no comparison with the reserves of Ukrokiborgs which have 20 years of continuous firing stocks now they repair tactical missiles promptly, they also begin to slowly restore the aircraft, the rest will be thrown from the fraternal shoulder in volume quantities, and the militias do not even have new shots, and those that are shot every other time.
  31. +3
    9 December 2014 13: 21
    It’s not patriotic, the technique is not painted correctly, it was necessary to color yellow and blue, patriotism would have gone wild. Not a revision.
  32. +2
    9 December 2014 13: 46
    I don’t understand who personally handed over the "keys" from the Russian Federation to Novorossiya? guys, the information war is in full swing, what are you doing? Nobody gave anything to anyone! The militia has 1 T-34 tank! You need to be more careful in the information field.
    1. -2
      9 December 2014 18: 25
      Quote: Dwarfik
      I don’t understand who personally handed over the "keys" from the Russian Federation to Novorossiya? guys, the information war is in full swing, what are you doing? Nobody gave anything to anyone! The militia has 1 T-34 tank! You need to be more careful in the information field.

      Tell the militia that they themselves do not shine at all with t34, but with columns of hail and ros. Modifications of t72
  33. +4
    9 December 2014 14: 42
    I wish that all this equipment is in the hands of the Militias !!! smile
  34. +1
    9 December 2014 14: 57
    Donbass - you give DRG a lot and different, any armor is better to meet on the stage, and ...... I think you have enough industrial explosives.
  35. +2
    9 December 2014 15: 02
    Poros clearly fulfills the introductory statement: "On the territory of the former ukraine, no more than 15 million people should remain to serve the needs" (c) West. So he throws the wood into the firebox. When will it reach the maydanutyh?
  36. +6
    9 December 2014 16: 10
    Quote: Tirpitz
    yeah 40000, but not 200000? 40000 does not hide in any way. We bury our own as heroes, and not throw them into mines.

    Well yes. Well yes. "Glory to the heroes" :)) They dug holes in Dn-ska with an excavator and threw corpses around, without even understanding "hu from hu". They just drew signs - "invisible ...". To free up space in refrigerators for new "invisible" ones. Because the "movement" is strong.
  37. +1
    9 December 2014 16: 41
    So soon New Russia will have a replenishment
  38. 0
    9 December 2014 19: 37
    Scratched by the gimbal. smile
  39. 0
    9 December 2014 21: 20
    rivers of blood, mountains of corpses, ruins - this is the result of Poroshenko’s policy. None of the parties to the conflict will back down. APU is not the same - experience gained, swearing. The militia is also not the same as before - it is more organized and better equipped ..... both of them have bitterness. APU still does not know how to conduct large-scale coordinated operations - in a word, not an army, but a crowd of seasoned robbers!
  40. 0
    9 December 2014 22: 26
    And here is my question: if economically and morally half-dead Ukraine restores armored vehicles at such a pace (and in fact rusty trash), can you imagine what pace we will be recovering if something happens? Who has any thoughts?
    1. 0
      9 December 2014 23: 02
      Quote: Atlas
      can you imagine what pace we will restore if something happens? Who has any thoughts?


      The thought is that the technique should be:
      1. New
      2. Modern
      3. in necessary quantities
      4. in the right nomenclatures.
      And to restore is a crisis scenario, I would not want to.
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  41. wanderer_032
    0
    10 December 2014 12: 39
    Sorry the photo review is incomplete. In terms of the amount of equipment, it looks like a fully-equipped Mech.Br (unless of course they are torn to pieces and two or three cars are not scattered for different military units).

    But if the quality of crew training is at the same level, then this equipment will not stay in their hands for a long time.
    There are prerequisites.
    Probably preparing for the assault of Donetsk.
  42. 0
    11 December 2014 16: 14
    Yes, these will be good trophies for the rebels or a broken-down pile of metal.
  43. 0
    12 December 2014 00: 26
    Negotiating is more difficult than fighting. Moreover, the new owners ordered why they had their own head (Peace and reason would be for everyone!

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