"Twenty-eight Panfilov": a folk film against the falsification of history

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Work continues on the creation of the first in stories Russian film on folk remedies. We are talking about the film "28 Panfilov", which is removed by St. Petersburg creative studio Lybian Palette. In order for the film to be released, 60 million rubles is required. At the time of the preparation of the material, caring citizens (not only, by the way, Russians) sent over 26 million rubles to the studio's foundation. Thanks to the collected funds, the creative team managed to complete the first phase of the film, the producer of which is Andrei Shalopa.

"Twenty-eight Panfilov": a folk film against the falsification of history


December 5 to the creative team of filmmakers came positive news. The Russian Ministry of Culture decided not to stay aside from the filming of the military-patriotic tape and from the three film scenarios for financial and informational support chose the script for the film “28 Panfilov”. True, there were those who declared the need to abandon state support for the film being shot. Like, if the state intervenes in the shooting, then the train of national cinema will dissolve.

To be honest, the logic of such people is not entirely clear. After all, if in Russia, from outside, for example, Gazprom-Media financially supports the work of the radio station Ekho Moskvy, on which frankly Russophobic and distorting the story along with the reality of materials (albeit in blogs) often appear, then why not an opportunity to create a truly patriotic film with the involvement of public funds (including state funds). Those who are opposed to accepting funds from the budget of the Ministry of Culture clearly forget that this segment of the state budget is replenished with funds from Russian taxpayers, and therefore, by and large, these are the same popular funds as those who came to the fund from caring people directly.

"Military Review" does not remain aloof from the financial and informational support of the national cinema about the feat of the Red Army fighters near Moscow. The authors and, as the author’s team is aware, a considerable number of readers of “VO” transfer funds to the foundation of a studio engaged in shooting a film. When the film is released, and now the second stage of filming has begun, it will be gratifying to realize that the personal contribution of each of those who oppose the falsification of history and the hanging of neoliberal labels in the “one rifle for three” style is in the national film.

One of the important details of the film is that the actors involved in it work for free, without demanding for themselves fees and bonuses. This is a truly unique practice that says that there are no enthusiasts and disinterested people in Russia who value the memory of their ancestors, their glorious feats, which allow us all today to live, work and raise children freely.

One of the main roles in the film is played by actor Alexander Ustyugov, who is known from the films “The Saboteur. The end of the war "," Fathers and Sons "," Sunstroke "and several others. The entire creative team of the film is truly a group of like-minded people who are ready to give themselves to work, overcoming the difficulties that they have to face when creating a national film.



From the text presentation of the film "Twenty-eight Panfilovites":

In the autumn of 1941, the German units stationed near Volokolamsk separated some two hours from Moscow along the highway. However, on this highway was the 316-I Infantry Division under the command of General I.V. Panfilov. This commander had such high prestige among the personnel that the fighters of the division called themselves Panfilov members. A division - Panfilov.

316-I proved to be so efficient and successful military unit that 17 November 41-th year gained the status of the guard and became the 8-th Guards. It so happened that the next day General Panfilov died, but the division received the right to retain his name in its name. This honor in the Soviet Army received, just one more division - 25 Guards, named after Chapaev.

So, the 16 of November (two days before the death of the general) the 4 company of the 2 battalion of the 1075 regiment of the Panfilov division accepted the battle, which was destined to become a legend of the Great Patriotic War.

In this battle, the 28 Panfilovs, who had established themselves near the Dubosekovo junction, stood in the way of the German tank battalion ... And they stopped him.
The feat of 28-i Panfilov heroes became one of the brightest symbols of the battle for Moscow.

The words of political instructor Klochkov - “Great Russia, but nowhere to retreat. Behind Moscow "could be found in almost every war museum.
In Kazakhstan, in the homeland of the heroes, they erected monuments, and on the battlefield erected a memorial.

Children in schools learned about the battle from Dubosekovo, before they began to study history. The text about Panfilov was in the textbook of the Native Speech for elementary school and children were taught to read from this text.

And lines:
... in the hearts will live twenty eight
The bravest of your sons

Still sound in the anthem of Moscow.

But, all this, however, did not prevent the feat to debunk.

And now, today, any teenager typing in Google: “28 Panfilov’s” will receive information abundant in “facts” about how and why the myth of 28 soldiers who stopped the German was invented Tanks.

In the courtyard XXI century. Dyshlo historical "truth" turned away from their heroes. But the past will remain unchanged. And in this past, in the distant 41, from under the fortifications, plowed up by bombs, the soldiers of the 4-th company will get out, shake off the dirty snow, pay off, understand that all 28 is left, finish their cigarettes, pick up grenades will meet an avalanche of German tanks ...


The main goal of the film is precisely to show one of the iconic historical episodes of the battle for Moscow to the modern viewer - to show it without gloss, billions of dollars in budgets and without altering history. Show so that 28 Panfilov and today repelled the attack - the attack of those whose primary task is to blacken the memory of the Soviet soldier, pseudo-historical lies, aimed at shaking the national and state principles.

The team of “Military Review” and, I would like to hope, the majority of our readers, expresses words of support for the creative group engaged in the creation of the much-needed feature film today, and wishes successful work in the patriotic field.

All details about the preparation of the film can be found on the official website of the project - http://28panfilovcev.comand also in LiveJournal on 28kino.

PS On my own behalf: thanks to all those who have helped or are ready to help in the process of shooting the film “Twenty-eight Panfilovs”.
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  1. Fedya
    +13
    8 December 2014 07: 00
    Such an honor in the Soviet Army was awarded, just one more division - 25 Guards, bearing the name of Chapaev.
    Then it was the Red Army!
    1. +34
      8 December 2014 09: 25
      By the way:
      On June 11, the doctor of historical sciences of KazNU named after Al-Farabi Laila Akhmetova contacted the Minister of Defense of Kazakhstan Serik Akhmetov through a blog with a request to consider the restoration of the Star of Hero of the Soviet Union to one of the 28 Panfilov’s D.A. Kozhubergenov.
      In order to confirm the fact that Daniil Aleksandrovich Kozhubergenov was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan sent a letter to the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (hereinafter CA Central Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation).
      Also, an instruction on the search for relatives of DA Kozhubergenov, as well as information about him, was sent to the defense departments of the city of Almaty and the Almaty region. Upon receipt of a response from the CA RF Ministry of Defense, further work will be carried out on this issue, Laila Akhmetova notes.
      The historian claims that now the task for the 70 anniversary of the Victory is to restore historical truth and get the Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union Daniil Aleksandrovich Kozhubergenov, whom he was undeservedly deprived of. He is one of the 28 Panfilov heroes.
      He will be 499 Hero of the Soviet Union from Kazakhstan. There is a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of July 21 on 1942 on awarding Panfilov’s 28, says Akhmetova.
      It is necessary to prepare documents on behalf of Kazakhstan in Moscow, since it is the assignee of the former USSR. In this document, reflect the moment that Kozhubergenov D.A. must get my reward. Even if this award will be kept in the State Museum of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Find his relatives, photographs, draw up his biography, noted Akhmetova.
      In Almaty, in the 28 Panfilov park, there is his memorial cabinet (there are all 28 surnames), with his real name.
      By the 70 anniversary, it is necessary to restore the Panfilov Museum in the House of Officers of the city of Almaty, Akhmetova said. http://www.radiotochka.kz/2866-.html

      The Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan requested information from Russian colleagues to restore the title of Hero to the 28 Panfilov warrior Daniil Kozhubergenov, a Tengrinews.kz correspondent reports.
      "In order to confirm the fact that Daniil Kozhubergenov was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan sent a letter to the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation," the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan reported.
      1. 0
        8 December 2014 11: 24
        And for what Kozhubergenov deprived of the title Hero of the Soviet Union?
        1. AlekseyB
          0
          8 December 2014 11: 43
          And for what Kozhubergenov deprived of the title Hero of the Soviet Union?
        2. sebast
          -35
          8 December 2014 11: 45
          Was a policeman
          1. +22
            8 December 2014 11: 50
            Quote: sebast
            Was a policeman


            Good to drive, the policeman was Dobrobaba.

            According to official figures, all 28 defending warriors died, each of them was presented for awarding the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. However, Kozhubergenov remained alive, was captured for several hours, from where he fled to the soldiers of the cavalry corps of Dovator. Together with them he participated in battles, and after returning to the rear he was arrested as surrendering with arms in his hands. In July 1942, the NKVD lieutenant Soloveichik interrogated Kozhubergenov, who stated that he had not participated in the battle. In the list of those presented for the highest award, Daniil Kozhubergenov was replaced by Askar Kozhubergenov. Daniel was imprisoned in Tagan prison, from where he ended up in a marching company. In its composition, he participated in the battles for Rzhev, where he was seriously wounded. After a long treatment in hospitals Kozhubergenova commiss.
            1. +2
              8 December 2014 21: 03
              Quote: Zymran
              Good to drive, the policeman was Dobrobaba.

              Not Dobrobaba, but Dobrobabin.
              Quote: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobrobabin,_Ivan_Evstafiev
      2. Cat
        +20
        8 December 2014 19: 54
        Well done Kazakhs! Despite the current priorities for the development of the national idea of ​​heroes - batyrs, historical values ​​continue to be promoted. For example, a hero of the USSR. They do not shy away from Soviet history, do not blame the history of the Russian Empire, and remember their historical roots. Grain-wise they choose glorious lines of victories, persons, participants in events and add up their great past and great future. In a word GOOD FELLOWS !!!
        1. +9
          9 December 2014 19: 18
          Almost no wedding in Almaty is complete without visiting the memorial complex in the 28 park of Panfilov’s guards and laying flowers at the eternal flame in honor of the fallen heroes

          Every Kazakhstani remembers the names of Panfilov, Baurzhan Momyshuly and also not Panfilov’s but many other heroes of the Great Patriotic War such as Aliya Moldagulova or Manshuk Mametova who fought for their homeland
    2. +1
      8 December 2014 17: 43
      Not at all begging for the feat of the Russian soldiers on the fields of the Great Patriotic War, I dare to speak out that the story with Panfilov’s became an ideological symbol that inspired fighters to fight against fascism. naturally was exaggerated. there were no real witnesses to the battle. The phrase of political instructor Klochkov “Russia is great, but nowhere to retreat - Moscow is behind” is fictitious, but it was worth inventing it. anyone interested, read here: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%E0%ED%F4%E8%EB%EE%E2%F6%FB
      low bow to our fathers and grandfathers, who defended our homeland, who defeated fascism, and those who did not return from the fields of war. but is it possible to find a less controversial event in history that would film it ??? and not necessarily World War II, why not make a film about Osovets ????
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Атака_мертвецов
      1. +2
        8 December 2014 18: 40
        I watched video reports about this film now, I got the feeling that they are just making money on us, on our patriotism. if I'm wrong, I will be glad for the minuses for my post. but I ask for objectivity.

        ссылка с https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%E0%ED%F4%E8%EB%EE%E2%F6%FB:
        "Panfilovtsy - fighters formed in the cities of Alma-Ata Kazakh SSR and Frunze Kyrgyz SSR 316th rifle division (later 8th Guards), under the command of Major General Ivan Vasilyevich Panfilov, who participated in 1941 in the defense of Moscow." ... ..
        where then in the film from the anti-tank guns of the rifle division ???
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rfAk4OSGFE
        and where does the obvious Ukrainian accent from Kazakh fighters ????
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khAo-4ZFlB8
        1. Cat
          +6
          8 December 2014 20: 00
          If I’m not mistaken, one anti-tank division in the states of 1941 had 48 anti-tank guns of 45 mm and 24 76 mm guns.
          1. +2
            8 December 2014 21: 15
            thanks for clarification. ready to admit a mistake. but there is no information that Panfilov’s had artillery anti-tank weapons, except for Molotov cocktails, grenades, anti-tank rifles, and, of course, small arms in the state, which is against tanks, that an elephant has a shot ...
            this makes the feat of our soldiers only more significant.
            1. -4
              9 December 2014 03: 55
              There is no information on artillery because there was no event itself (Panfilov’s defense of the rally) .After the end of the battle near Moscow in 1942, a criminal case was instituted on the fact of falsification of events, although no one minimized the feat of our fighters during the defense of Moscow.
              1. +2
                9 December 2014 08: 41
                but where is the evidence of these your words?
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            3. +3
              9 December 2014 13: 37
              The division was formed in July - August 1941 in Alma-Ata as part of the command, the 1073rd, 1075th and 1077th rifle and (attention !!!) 857th artillery regiments. The commander, Major General I.V. Panfilov, served as military commissar of the Kyrgyz SSR. The main backbone of the division was residents of the city of Alma-Ata - the 1075th rifle regiment, residents of the villages of Nadezhden and Sofia - the 1073rd rifle regiment, and also residents of the city of Frunze - the Kyrgyz 1077th rifle regiment.
            4. +1
              9 December 2014 16: 35
              Quote: HitMaster
              but there is no information that Panfilov’s had artillery anti-tank weapons, except for Molotov cocktails, grenades, anti-tank rifles, and, of course, small arms in the state, which is against tanks, that an elephant has a shot ...

              And what exactly do you mean by the term "Panfilov's men"?
              Actually, 4 companies of 2 battalions of 1075 joint ventures of 316 cd guns didn’t have any. But they were at the dowered 316th anti-tank regiment, which stopped the German tanks, which broke through the defense of 1075th regiment. The battle with PTP, by the way, is recorded in both our and German documents.
            5. +2
              9 December 2014 18: 15
              Panfilov’s first had 45-guns, guns and it all started, it seemed, with an infantry regiment, but they pierced the T-III and Czech-38’s forehead only in small weaknesses, the same with guns. The tank could be knocked out only on board or at point blank range, and both actually guaranteed the death of soldiers.
              therefore, pretty soon a handful of defenders remained, and a feat took place to be.
          2. -1
            8 December 2014 21: 57
            A bit out of the "topic" - I met the nickname "cat" on the home distiller site, is it by chance you?
          3. 0
            10 December 2014 00: 43
            Believed - does not mean that it was.
            And then, estimate - what area the division occupied.
        2. +5
          8 December 2014 21: 51
          I watched video reports about this film now, I got the feeling that they are just making money on us, on our patriotism. if I'm wrong, I will be glad for the minuses for my post. but I ask for objectivity.

          I didn’t minus it, but Wikipedia is not the source that can be referred to as the ultimate truth.
          1. +2
            8 December 2014 21: 58
            I agree with you about Wikipedia, this is not the ultimate truth, but there is a lot of useful and correct information. personally to you, thanks for the "not a minus".
            I am for objectivity. and if I'm wrong, I’m always ready to admit my mistake.
            1. +2
              9 December 2014 23: 40
              I haven’t watched Wikipedia for a long time, there are a lot of factual errors (I don’t say why they are made).
              I don’t use it myself, for the first time when my son was 13, he drew attention to the difference in the history textbook and wiki ...
              Specially monitored for about 2 months. Now it is not for us.
              The main thing is that the film is made honest. Who was, he knows, war is sweat, blood and d .... oh
              But also - this is a feat ...
          2. +2
            10 December 2014 15: 48
            Guys: their feat is eternal
            their name is immortal
        3. +1
          9 December 2014 13: 34
          According to the staff of the rifle division, the state consisted of 48 anti-tank guns (listed in the regiments), and 56 T-26 tanks (BT-5 or BT-7). Plus, the commander has a separate anti-tank division.
          1. +1
            9 December 2014 16: 41
            Quote: Alex-KV-1
            According to the staff of the rifle division, the state consisted of 48 anti-tank guns (listed in the regiments), and 56 T-26 tanks (BT-5 or BT-7). Plus, the commander has a separate anti-tank division.

            This is some kind of ancient state. The tanks from the SD were withdrawn according to the Finnish results - because the infantry could not use them, could not properly repair, and could not mass them in the right section (it was almost impossible to take them from the SD). As a result, infantry tanks in the SPF were smeared with a thin layer along the front and took part very rarely in battles. It reached insanity — the division’s own tanks guarded the headquarters, and the infantry on the front line were supported by the tanks of the attached separate tank battalion.

            Therefore, they decided to assemble the tanks into tank units and formations, which, if necessary, give the infantry.
        4. 0
          9 December 2014 13: 40
          Quote: HitMaster
          and where does the obvious Ukrainian accent from Kazakh fighters ????


          An explicit Ukrainian accent among Ukrainian fighters is dragging something. A lot of Ukrainians were brought to Kazakhstan under Stolypin, plus dekulakized people were exiled. So there is nothing surprising.
      2. +5
        8 December 2014 19: 23
        As for the phrase of the political instructor: this phrase was known long before the Second World War, so it is quite possible that it was pronounced (although not a political instructor, for example).
        As for this newfangled "attack of the dead" - in my opinion, it is too advertised and in value (both military and socio-political), it cannot be compared with the feat of Panfilov’s.
        PS In general, I do not understand stupid disputes about the fact that this is their feat invented. As far as I understand, it all comes down to the number of fighters. My opinion: It should not matter to everyone how many of them defended in reality, because the actions themselves are all heroic divisions!
        1. +3
          8 December 2014 19: 33
          You underestimate the feat of the Russian soldier during the defense of Osovets, and he is no less heroic than the feat of the Russian soldiers during the defense of Moscow, Stalingrad, Brest, and many other cities of our country.
          1. Cat
            +4
            8 December 2014 20: 02
            This is one of many feats!
            1. 0
              9 December 2014 18: 23
              there was massive heroism, however, there was also massive desertion - mainly because the new lower command staff "from the bottom" was completely unqualified and almost completely lost at the beginning of the war, because of the soldiers did not know what to do, did not know what is happening and the logistics have been destroyed.
          2. Southerner69
            +1
            9 December 2014 20: 28
            You forget about the significance !!!
        2. +1
          8 December 2014 20: 25
          quote from an article from the site https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%E0%ED%F4%E8%EB%EE%E2%F6%FB
          The interrogated secretary of the newspaper Krivitsky testified:

          During a conversation in PUR with Comrade Krapivin, he was interested in where I got the words of political instructor Klochkov written in my basement: “Russia is great, and nowhere to retreat - behind Moscow,” I answered him that I invented it myself ...

          I repeat once again, if this phrase was not available, then it would be worth inventing. she is right! I stand for not to misinterpret the story !!!
          but for the feat of the Russian soldier, a low bow to the heroes !!!! make a movie about real exploits, not fictional ones! otherwise, you are like Hollywood. why not make a movie about another feat of the Second World War, when Dmitry Fyodorovich Lavrinenko filled up so many German tanks in the 41 year, before he died from a mine fragment, that no one in the war years surpassed him in his ability to beat the aggressor!
        3. +3
          8 December 2014 23: 36
          I agree. The 316th Infantry Division (subsequently the 8th Guards), under the command of Major General Ivan Vasilyevich Panfilov, was well prepared by I.V. Panfilov and heroically competently fought, defending Moscow in the Volokolamsk direction. I.V. Panfilov had extensive experience in fighting in Central Asia with basmachi and successfully applied it in the battle of Moscow. Eternal glory and memory of the fallen heroes!
        4. 0
          9 December 2014 00: 24
          iCuD
          As for this newfangled "attack of the dead" - in my opinion, it is too advertised and in terms of importance (both military and socio-political), it cannot be compared with the feat of Panfilov.

          "too advertised" ??????? bah you, my friend, Russophobe !!!!!
          read here about the history of the battle for Osovets, so as not to say such nonsense anymore !!!!!!

          http://topwar.ru/14209-russkie-ne-sdayutsya.html
          http://topwar.ru/569-ataka-mertvecov.html
          http://topwar.ru/63313-osinoe-gnezdo-russkih-geroev.html
          http://topwar.ru/16351-iz-istorii-himicheskogo-oruzhiya.html
          http://warfiles.ru/show-72872-zabytyy-osovec-brestskaya-krepost-pervoy-mirovoy.h
          tml
          1. 0
            9 December 2014 04: 03
            And what is the story of the battle for Osovets? Osovets was not surrounded, the supply of ammunition, food and fighters was carried out regularly. Not so in the Brest Fortress. There was complete encirclement and nevertheless lasted more than a month and caused great damage.
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          3. +1
            9 December 2014 05: 00
            Honestly, I do not see anything Russophobic in my comment. request
            Further, I am well acquainted with the history of this battle (I would not have been acquainted, I would not have written about it)
            My thought is (not at all belittling the exploits of both the tsarist army and the Soviet people), that the significance of the Panfilov’s feat is much higher than Osovets’s defense. Although I am not a supporter of comparing the values ​​of feats, but it remains a fact.
            I also pointed out the fact that this battle (Osovets defense), for the most part, became known in the wake of the new-fangled advertising of Tsarist Russia (Russian Empire) that began immediately after the collapse of the USSR (for example, even the saints produced belay )
      3. +1
        8 December 2014 22: 00
        About Osovets it would be really, more patriotic, 28 Panfilov’s very ideologically controversial case, more mythical than truthful and historical ... and if necessary about the Second World War, it’s better to shoot about Podolsk cadets ....
        1. +2
          10 December 2014 12: 55
          Osovetsky sentry 9 years in the dungeon at the post ... There is nothing impossible, but ... hard to believe. With more difficulty than about 28 Panfilov’s. Although I, the grandson of the front-line soldiers, do not need to search for truth in military legends. Even if these are legends, they were not born from scratch, for the peoples of the Soviet Union accomplished the greatest feat in the history of Mankind, protecting their lands and Europe from the fascist plague. Westerners want to discredit the memory of the Soviet people and they lie where it is necessary and not necessary ... Reptiles ...
      4. +3
        9 December 2014 08: 26
        And since when did Wikipedia become the ultimate truth?
    3. boss.tyurikov
      +1
      9 December 2014 23: 14
      So what?.......
  2. +33
    8 December 2014 07: 00
    I transferred my money. I regularly monitor the site. Agitated in facebook and classmates.
    Help the right people make the right movie!
    Goblin (Tufts)
    http://oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051613293
    1. Underwood
      +16
      8 December 2014 08: 30
      Quote: bya965
      I transferred my money.

      Respect to you.
      Meanwhile, the state sponsors vomit like "Graduation" and Mikhalkovskaya chernukha. Medinsky, of course, is a wonderful person, but it would not hurt to move him around the table with his muzzle. Thinks for a long time.
      1. +2
        8 December 2014 13: 05
        Dear, if you don’t know the whole story of making the film, don’t write nonsense, I personally monitor the progress of the project almost from the very beginning ... And the conclusions are as follows - 60 million rubles. it’s just a ridiculous amount for the film, believe me if the author and organizer of this project, Shulepa, would be ready to take on at least some responsibility, sign at least some kind of agreement, provide at least some kind of intelligible script, but the sponsor would have been found a long time ago, the state I would be happy to finance such a patriotic and historical project! Muddy is like that. I really want my opinion to be erroneous, time will tell!
      2. +1
        8 December 2014 13: 08
        Underwood minus I didn’t put you, the request not to start the pocket war here, I just expressed my point of view!
        1. Underwood
          0
          8 December 2014 13: 23
          Quote: MREDBEST
          please do not start karmavoyna here, I just expressed my point of view!

          ??
          not a fig did not understand about some "karma wars". Speak, am I against it? I am indifferent to your comment, as well as to minuses and pluses, what is your problem?
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    2. +2
      8 December 2014 15: 14
      Help the right people make the right movie!
      Goblin (Tufts)
      http://oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051613293
      People's answer to the weary sun and stalingrad
  3. +4
    8 December 2014 07: 10
    Thank you!
    Noble work!
    Good luck to the creators of the film and thanks to those who support this project.
  4. +7
    8 December 2014 07: 10
    God help me, I hope this film will be like a breath of fresh air after the "creations" of Bondarchuk and Mikhalkov!
    1. +29
      8 December 2014 10: 49
      Mikhalkov and Bondarchuk is the tip of the iceberg. All that is shot besides them about the Great Patriotic War is a similar bastard and pornography. Neither acting, nor directing, nor cameraman's art is a solid dull go * but!
      And most importantly, all that such films carry is that Russian people are some kind of half scum, without moral principles, rude, unreasoned idiots, thieves, bastards, etc ....
      The NKVD, so cattle on livestock in general, is the red line of all films.
      From all the films and TV shows clearly pulls rotten - this can not be shown to people!
      In general, I think that the best films about the war have already been made and it’s better not to make them anymore. This Liberation, this is the Battle of Moscow, this They fought for their homeland, this is the commander of the happy Pike, this time chose us and all the other films shot during the period from 1940 to 1985. Then you can only count on the fingers what at least with a stretch can be called a normal film about the Great Patriotic War - but not a masterpiece.
      1. +4
        8 December 2014 14: 48
        Let me disagree with you a little, colleague, in my opinion "In August 44" is a very worthy picture
        1. +8
          8 December 2014 15: 15
          But how inferior to the book! I believe that the film was not entirely successful, as many had read the book before the film. However, this is always the case. The book is virtual, personal, for everyone, and the film is an attempt to level out the individual.
          1. +1
            8 December 2014 21: 23
            Quote: tolian
            But how inferior to the book!

            A rare film is stronger than a book.
          2. +1
            8 December 2014 22: 02
            Don't say "Heart of a Dog" is much better than a book IMHO
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        2. 0
          8 December 2014 16: 53
          Well, for "In August 44", for "Convoy PQ-17" I made a reservation in the last sentence. Yes, the films are good. But still, they are not masterpieces, well, they do not pull ..
        3. +2
          9 December 2014 22: 06
          Read The Moment of Truth and Experience the Difference! The book is a masterpiece! The film is exactly like the book, but it doesn’t feel like a masterpiece ...
      2. 0
        9 December 2014 18: 30
        I don’t know ... I definitely liked Bondarchuk’s film about a boxer in the NKVD. The film is really gorgeous, only 1 nuance - for some reason it is about Moscow, and not about the country. I do not like it. They would have shot the same beautiful film about Stalingrad before the Germans approached. The city was beautiful
  5. +18
    8 December 2014 07: 13
    If the state does not support the creation of the film, then maybe the producers should turn to Kazakhfilm, how could the 316 division under the command of Major General Ivan Vasilievich Panfilov be formed in Almaty ?!
    1. +1
      8 December 2014 08: 25
      as far as I remember, it was formed in Kyrgyzstan in the city of Frunze (I mean Bishkek)
      1. +9
        8 December 2014 08: 52
        The 316th Infantry Division (1st formation) was formed in July - August 1941 in Almaty as part of the command, 1073th, 1075th and 1077th Infantry and 857th Artillery Regiments. The commander, Major General I.V. Panfilov, served as military commissar of the Kyrgyz SSR. The main backbone of the division was residents of the city of Alma-Ata - the 1075th rifle regiment, residents of the villages of Nadezhden and Sofia - the 1073rd rifle regiment, and also residents of the city of Frunze - the Kyrgyz 1077th rifle regiment.
        More detailed
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/316-%D1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BA%D0
        %BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%8F_(1-%D0%B3%D0%BE
        _%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F)
        1. +13
          8 December 2014 09: 56
          Rokossovsky was delighted:
          "On the left flank, covering Volokolamsk from the west and south-west to the Ruza River, there was the 316th Infantry Division, which arrived from the front reserve. General IV Panfilov commanded it, and S. A. Yegorov was the commissar. Such a full-blooded rifle division We haven’t seen the division for a long time, both in numbers and in support. The commanders were strong, and the political workers were nominated from the party and Soviet activists of the Kazakh CPR. In the formation of the division, great help was provided by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan. " (Soldier's duty. Head of the Volokolamsk direction)
    2. +4
      8 December 2014 08: 26
      The Saratov governor is also simply obliged to help.
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    4. +4
      8 December 2014 10: 01
      Quote: Cosmos1987
      If the state does not support the creation of the film, then maybe the producers should turn to Kazakhfilm, how could the 316 division under the command of Major General Ivan Vasilievich Panfilov be formed in Almaty ?!

      But Panfilov’s defenders were defending Moscow, not Almaat, so our leader should not have financed Mikhalkov’s vomit, but should have given money for this project. By the way, the last time Mikhalkov did not create anything except vomit, but with a deeply pensive smart look he teaches young people. Here is a complete reborn for you, and maybe his dad was like that and worked not for the heart, but for the order.
      1. +17
        8 December 2014 10: 52
        But Panfilov’s defenders defended Moscow, not Almaatu

        They fought not for Moscow, but for me, for you and for the Motherland!
        therefore, our leader should not have financed Mikhalkovskaya vomit
        here I agree 100% here you can also rank the bandorchuk
      2. +4
        8 December 2014 10: 54
        In my opinion, the Ministry of Culture allocates money only to "its own" That is, first, one half removes the vomit, the other tells what a masterpiece it is, then they change!
        And after the "tired" and "Stalingrad" I am afraid to let my son go to the TV! It is better to let the "spider" look at the deb.n.go - here at least they will not encroach on history!
    5. +2
      8 December 2014 17: 56
      Quote: Cosmos1987
      If the state does not support the creation of the film, then maybe the producers should turn to Kazakhfilm, how could the 316 division under the command of Major General Ivan Vasilievich Panfilov be formed in Almaty ?!

      Filming this film has already been discussed by our ministers of culture
      The shooting of the film "Panfilov's 28" will be supported by Russia and Kazakhstan, Fontanka.ru reports. This topic was touched upon by the Minister of Culture of Russia Vladimir Medinsky and the Minister of Culture of Kazakhstan Arystanbek Mukhamediuly within the framework of the Cultural Forum in St. Petersburg. According to them, the film "Panfilov's 28" will become an important milestone in international cooperation.

      According to Medinsky, a part of the film "Panfilov's 28" has already been filmed. It is planned that the film will be released in 2015. Earlier it was reported that the project was financed through public fees, 24 million rubles were collected on the Internet. However, this turned out to be insufficient, and the initiators of the project began to fear that the shooting of the film "Panfilov's 28" could be disrupted due to lack of funding.

      The film "Panfilov's 28" will show the events of the autumn of 1941, when the German units stationed near Volokolamsk were two hours away from Moscow along the highway. However, the 316th Infantry Division under the command of General Panfilov was located on this highway. On November 16 (two days before the general's death), the 4th company of the 2nd battalion of the 1075th regiment of the Panfilov division took the battle, which was destined to become a legend of the Great Patriotic War. In this battle, 28 Panfilov's men, having fortified themselves near the Dubosekovo junction, stood in the way of the German tank battalion and stopped it. The feat of 28 Panfilov guardsmen became one of the brightest symbols of the battle for Moscow.
    6. malikszh
      0
      8 December 2014 20: 46
      brakes open wikipedia and all
  6. +28
    8 December 2014 07: 16
    But, all this, however, did not prevent the feat to debunk.

    I do not think that the feat is debunked. Yes, there was such an attempt, and not one, but not the fact that they were successful. A feat - he is a feat. And the memory of these people, of their deed, will never be corroded ever again, neither in Russia nor in Kazakhstan.
    1. +14
      8 December 2014 07: 28
      Quote: demotivator
      Yes, there was such an attempt, and not one, but not the fact that they were successful.

      All attempts to debunk the legendary moments of our history are the work of the "fifth column"! They tried to denigrate Zhukov and 28 Panfilovites and Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and Alexander Matrosov, it did not work - our people cannot be fooled, we are not the descendants of "great ukrov" "!!!
      1. +9
        8 December 2014 08: 52
        Six months ago, I learned that the book by GK Zhukov "Memories and Reflections" had been republished at least 12 times. So, during his lifetime there was only one edition of 1969, and all the others (as far as I know) in the "post-perestroika" period. And some differ from the first in the text. Everyone writes in the prefaces that they found Zhukov's supposedly preserved notes, which were inserted into this new edition. At the same time, all these additions simply turn over the thoughts that were laid down by the author in his version.
        1. Andrey Ulyanovsky
          +5
          8 December 2014 10: 19
          Market conditions, their mother! Reprints after the death of Zhukov were: 1979 - 3 and 4 editions; 85g -6e; 86g -7e; 88g. -8e; 89g. -9e; 90g-10e; 92g-11; 95g. -12: 2002 -13e.
          The moon-faced Bristol "truth-teller" rezun sneered at the presence of flaws in the publications of different years - it is not Zhukov G.K.'s fault. (01.12.1896 - 18.06.1974), lifetime edition - 1969.
          I recommend it in vivo (rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4440456).
          1. -1
            8 December 2014 22: 07
            Have you read at least one publication? The preview also does not describe the operation of MARS, losses, errors. Although I do not like Suvorov, there is something in his criticism of Zhukov.
      2. +3
        8 December 2014 10: 33
        And if the Chief Military Prosecutor’s Office was still engaged in this debunking under Stalin and successfully conducted it?
        1. +1
          8 December 2014 13: 51
          Quote: Spade
          And if the Chief Military Prosecutor’s Office was still engaged in this debunking under Stalin and successfully conducted it?

          And more detail you can?
          1. +3
            8 December 2014 14: 18
            Look for materials of the sea. It all started with an arrest in 1947 for treason against the homeland of Dobrobabin. Having received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union posthumously, he managed in 1942 to begin to serve with the Vlasovites.
            1. 0
              8 December 2014 15: 46
              One about Thomas, the second about Yeryom.
      3. +2
        8 December 2014 15: 41
        I am very interested in those who "opened" our eyes to the "truth" about our heroes. Who is it? Where are they now ascetic? And why did they do it? Did you want to be known as truth-lovers? But then where does their "truth" lead? To the thought that the war was won by American Jews, which the children of the United States are already well aware of. And in the Outskirts, they will also tell you who won the war. And all these Panfilovites, Zoys, sailors, etc., this is all Soviet propaganda, where the heroes were made, since in fact they were not there. Here the Jews were heroes. And the book has already been published with the famous words in the title, for the lure "They fought for the Motherland." I mean a book about Jewish heroes. You read and see that all of them were not in Tashkent, as valuable cadres, but they were heroic at the fronts and they were building resistance in concentration camps. Let not all Jews be offended by me. Let them take offense at fellow tribesmen - the Jews, liars from history - Svanidzey, Pravdyukov, the dirty mouth of Zhukov, and other milchins. Yes, and our "nobles" like Mikhalkov and the heir to the great film director, Bondarchuk Jr., who give us the "truth" are akin to the "truth" hissing about Russia. True, these are for the loot and rating, but they no longer understand that neither dads nor past successes will revive their potency.
  7. Leonidych
    +7
    8 December 2014 07: 18
    more! more such films are needed! and not twist all stupid Batman and spiders! and give our films 80% in cinemas, and leave 0,01% to the Americans!
    1. Underwood
      +2
      8 December 2014 13: 26
      Quote: Leonidych
      give our films 80% in cinemas

      Then tomorrow we will have to close the cinemas, because our distributors have nothing to offer except for the "Gorko" type.
  8. -16
    8 December 2014 07: 25
    So the trouble is that there was a feat, but not at all! There were not 28 soldiers, but a whole battalion. And almost all of it fell, but the Germans did not pass. And the story of 0 heroes was invented by the correspondent of "Krasnaya Zvezda".
    Yes, you yourself think! 28 fighters armed with cop bottles stop 50 tanks! is it really possible to believe?
    1. +32
      8 December 2014 08: 10
      The battle at the Dubosekovo junction was one of the first cases of the use of anti-tank rifles, the production of which was just beginning to unfold, and their number was still insufficient.
      It was here, at Dubosekov, that the fourth company of the 1075th Infantry Regiment took battle. According to the staff of the 04/600 division, there should have been 162 people in the company, and by December 16 there were about 120 people in the company.
      The fact is that on the eve of the battle, a special group of tank destroyers of about 30 people was created from among the most persistent and most well-aimed fighters, the command of which was entrusted to 30-year-old political officer Vasily Klochkov. All 11 anti-tank rifles were handed over to this group, and therefore the number of tanks destroyed didn’t look fantastic at all - out of 54 tanks moving on Panfilov’s, heroes managed to destroy 18 vehicles, 13 of which the Germans themselves recognized. But the Germans recognized the tank as lost only if it could not be restored, and if after the battle the tank was sent for major repairs with the replacement of the engine and weapons, such a tank was not considered lost.
      1. -13
        8 December 2014 11: 59
        Even more fun. Do you even imagine the real possibilities of PTR? It could precisely knock out the tank with a very successful hit, but incapacitated permanently only in exceptional cases. And here are 18 wrecked and 13 irrevocable! Well, at least think with your head!
        By the way, the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office studied this whole story back in Soviet times, and the Chief Military Prosecutor, Lieutenant General of Justice AF Katusev, published an article titled "Foreign Glory" in the Military History Journal (1990, No. 8-9). In it, he concluded that "the massive feat of the entire company, the entire regiment, the entire division was downplayed by the irresponsibility of not quite conscientious journalists to the scale of a mythical platoon."
        1. +8
          8 December 2014 12: 08
          Quote: Sahalinets
          It could precisely knock out a tank in case of a very successful hit, but permanently disable it only in exceptional cases

          What kind of tank are you talking about and what year? If about 43 and the Tiger, then undoubtedly, if about 41, well, at that time the Germans had a lot of half-tanks of half-tanks.
          1. +1
            8 December 2014 12: 19
            Well, at that time, the Germans had a lot of half-tanks of half-tankers.

            in the division or in the first line?
            for tanks, the effectiveness of Ptr is very arbitrary, for kopecks and btda
          2. +2
            9 December 2014 16: 51
            Quote: tomket
            What kind of tank are you talking about and what year? If about 43 and the Tiger, then undoubtedly, if about 41, well, at that time the Germans had a lot of half-tanks of half-tanks.

            According to the effectiveness of PTR, I remember that a good example was cited by SW. M.Svirin.
            1943 year. Kursk arc. Our PTR-shchiki mistakenly fired at their T-70. About 40 holes. Result - a mechanic driver was wounded, the tank left on its own.

            And this is already in the period when the PTR began to be used massively, in groups of 10-12 trunks. Solo shooting at the tank was truly a Russian roulette, especially considering the filthy quality of mass PTR (wedge liners were the norm) and problems with accuracy. Moreover, 30 mm of German armor even took 45 mm very poorly.
        2. nvv
          nvv
          +11
          8 December 2014 12: 20
          Quote: Sahalinets
          By the way, the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office studied this whole story back in Soviet times, and the Chief Military Prosecutor, Lieutenant General of Justice AF Katusev, published an article titled "Foreign Glory" in the Military History Journal (1990, No. 8-9). In it, he concluded that "the massive feat of the entire company, the entire regiment, the entire division was downplayed by the irresponsibility of not quite conscientious journalists to the scale of a mythical platoon."

          Have you ever been an adult this year? If not, I’m explaining that everything they lived before was flooded with mud in the 90s. If I’m an adult, I want to ask. Have you really figured it out yet?
          1. +4
            8 December 2014 13: 30
            Essentially, you have nothing to answer? And yes, I'm 48 years old. Well, since you do not burden yourself with the study of the facts, then I so be it, let me tell you - the military prosecutor's office conducted its first investigation already in 1948! Really then "covered with mud"?
            I read our "patriots" and I see that they do not know anything and do not want to know, they deny the facts and live with illusions ...
            1. 0
              8 December 2014 14: 37
              I agree that there weren’t 28 of them. Maybe in order to raise morale among the troops and the country as a whole, they say that we can not by quantity but courage and ability to beat the enemy, that is, such articles were needed ....
            2. nvv
              nvv
              +2
              8 December 2014 15: 28
              Quote: Sahalinets
              I read our "patriots" and see that they know nothing and do not want to know

              I agree. It’s easier to live. But you can’t believe everything in a row. Information has to be washed and washed from dirt. And a lot of dirt was brought into our house. For the previous koment no offense?
              1. +1
                8 December 2014 16: 06
                We drove through. wink
                It's just that our story does not need fiction. Our soldiers fought bravely and deserve respect. And do not humiliate them with mythical feats.
                1. nvv
                  nvv
                  +2
                  8 December 2014 19: 25
                  Quote: Sahalinets
                  It's just that our story does not need fiction.

                  Are you one hundred percent sure of this? You just can't get it. And then you insulted the memory, your distrust. I took it as a rule: the fact that our mass media are scamming after the 90s should be alarming. And as practice has shown, it helps to understand the situation. After all, they took us in the 90s. Tweaked your rating a bit, upfront.
                2. +4
                  8 December 2014 20: 31
                  In this case, perhaps you should cite the facts, and not form a new myth that there was no feat?
            3. +3
              8 December 2014 16: 05
              Sakhalin and what you essentially wrote. That exaggerated the role of 28 people in stopping tanks. So no prosecutor’s office can establish this. Neither in the 48th, nor in 2014, especially you.
          2. +4
            8 December 2014 16: 01
            And they, young people, like this Sakhalin resident, have no particular thirst to sort it out. They wrote that Gastello did not fall on the echelons on the plane and they giggle. And the fact that another pilot sent the plane - Maslov, they no longer need it. They giggle ..... But this is war, and these heroes were. And it’s good that they corrected the mistake decades later. But did the exploits of these people fade from this because one fell into a swamp in a burning plane, and the second was able to direct, while still alive, his plane into a concentration of echalons. Honor to them and eternal memory. And you, giggle ......
        3. +7
          8 December 2014 12: 59
          Why did the PDRD not please you? With a caliber of 14,5 mm x 114 mm and at a distance of 300 meters, 35 mm was pierced, 100 mm of armor was pierced at 40 meters. He took German tanks of the initial period of the war, not in the forehead of course. The cartridge 14,5x114 is unique, the only one in the world, very powerful. The B-32 is a cartridge with an armor-piercing incendiary bullet with a steel core. The BS-41 is a cartridge with an armor-piercing incendiary bullet with a ceramic-metal core of tungsten carbide. After the war, the Vladimirov machine gun was designed for him, which until now has been installed on armored personnel carriers. Here PTRS is also not a bad unit.
          1. -5
            8 December 2014 13: 27
            You will appreciate his reserved action, an eccentric man!
            1. 0
              8 December 2014 13: 53
              So it is necessary to dig in and deeper !!! Nobody thus in an ambush began to wait for a return fire. The photo itself liked it. And how it will be transported. Weight 20 93 kg (without cartridges)
              22 kg (with cartridges).
            2. +2
              8 December 2014 15: 28
              You will appreciate his reserved action, an eccentric man!
              ATV this summer were relevant in the fight against ukrbrontehniki in the Donbass
            3. +3
              8 December 2014 20: 34
              I mean when you get into the combat stack?
            4. +1
              8 December 2014 23: 45
              Sakhalinets:
              Below and above you just didn’t understand you, but I’ll answer - the armor of the triple (PzKpfw III) -30 mm (maximum), from three hundred meters (30-40mm penetration), the ATGM and PTRS inflicted multiple fragmentation damage (with pieces of the armor breaking away from the inside) already exactly - at the place of penetration (most often - a mechanical driver or a machine gunner - a corpse) precisely with an acronym.
              1. +1
                9 December 2014 08: 40
                Quote: Alexey Lobanov
                Sakhalinets:
                Below and above you just didn’t understand you, but I’ll answer - the armor of the triple (PzKpfw III) -30 mm (maximum), from three hundred meters (30-40mm penetration), the ATGM and PTRS inflicted multiple fragmentation damage (with pieces of the armor breaking away from the inside) already exactly - at the place of penetration (most often - a mechanical driver or a machine gunner - a corpse) precisely with an acronym.

                Hm, this is a discovery.
                GABTU conducting shelling of German tanks determined:
                1. Extremely weak armor action.
                2. Extremely poor penetration due to quality
          2. +1
            8 December 2014 13: 53
            Why did the PDRD not please you?

            the weak stopping effect of the bullet, not only that it must be hit on board, but also this defeat should carry a certain effect.
            still better forty
            1. +1
              8 December 2014 23: 55
              The stopping effect, nevertheless, is more applicable to manpower (wild boar, there, we are pacifists)! laughing It’s more suitable for PTRs - a damaging effect.
              1. 0
                9 December 2014 08: 40
                Of course it was necessary to put quotation marks.
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            3. +1
              9 December 2014 22: 15
              Do not confuse artillery and anti-tank weapons carried by 2 infantrymen.
        4. +8
          8 December 2014 14: 12
          Quote: Sahalinets
          Even more fun. Do you even imagine the real possibilities of PTR? It could precisely knock out the tank with a very successful hit, but incapacitated permanently only in exceptional cases.


          According to the widespread version of events, on November 16 the 1941 of the year when the new offensive began ...

          1939-1942
          Light tanks Pz.I, Pz.II, Czech Pz.35 (t), Pz.38 (t), medium Pz.III, Pz.IV, armored personnel carriers: light Sd Kfz 250 and medium Sd Kfz 251, armored vehicles SdKfz 234 / 2 Schwerer Panzerspähwagen “Puma” and others. Since the end of 1940, during the reorganization of the tank divisions, the main machine of the light tank company became Pz-III (17 Pz-III and 5 Pz-II each), and the middle - Pz-IV (14 Pz- IV and 5 Pz-II).

          Pz.I forehead housing 8-13 mm,

          Pz.II forehead housing 13-28 mm,

          Pz.35 (t) Forehead housing 25 mm,

          Pz.38 (t) Forehead housing 25 mm,

          Pz.III forehead housing 15-30 mm,

          Pz.IV Forehead housing 15-30 mm.

          PTR usually has a caliber larger than conventional small arms (PTRD and PTRS - 14,5 mm) and a longer barrel.
          Penetration of anti-tank rifles (up to 30 mm of armor) allowed them to fight against lightly armored targets.

          Do you need more information? This is about the capabilities of PTR and tank armor in the 41 year !!!
          1. +1
            8 December 2014 14: 24

            According to the widespread version of events, on November 16 the 1941 of the year when the new offensive began ...


            Pz.35 (t) Forehead housing 25 mm,

            Pz.38 (t) Forehead housing 25 mm,

            in 11 etc. there were no such tanks
            Quote: Homo
            Pz.III forehead housing 15-30 mm,

            Pz.IV Forehead housing 15-30 mm.

            Pz.Kpfw III Ausf. G Forehead housing 30 mm
            Pz.Kpfw.III Ausf.H 30 + 30 mm

            Germans well replenished divisions with fresh tanks for the offensive on Moscow
            Penetration of anti-tank rifles (up to 30 mm of armor) allowed them to fight against lightly armored targets.

            Do you need more information? This is about the capabilities of PTR and tank armor in the 41 year !!!

            30mm this is normal, in a battle this hit is more likely an exception, otherwise no one would have let out such manuals, hit anywhere.

            and yet lower low-impact 14.5 mm
            1. +3
              8 December 2014 20: 40
              Cartridge with an armor-piercing incendiary bullet with a steel red-hot core B-32. Immunity, mm:
              at 300 m - 35,
              at 100 m - 40.
              1. 0
                8 December 2014 21: 42
                Normal!
                Really, such hits are percentages.
              2. +2
                9 December 2014 16: 55
                Quote: BMP-2
                Cartridge with an armor-piercing incendiary bullet with a steel red-hot core B-32. Immunity, mm:
                at 300 m - 35,
                at 100 m - 40.

                In theory.
                In practice, at a distance of 200 m and 100 m during testing, a sheet 30 mm thick was not pierced by a B-32 cartridge bullet.
        5. +1
          8 December 2014 15: 54
          Sakhalin, those who could not be pulled out of the battlefield were considered lost. It is not necessary only to recall the guns, their ability to destroy the tank. The caterpillar was killed, the tank remained on the territory occupied later - that’s lost. You need to laugh moderately. Otherwise, a giggle is mean.
          1. +1
            8 December 2014 16: 10
            The battlefield remained with the Germans. Our retreated in the end! And what does the giggle have to do with it? I just do not doubt that our soldiers fought heroically! But why are these hunting stories?
            During the war, this may have been useful for propaganda, but now why? It was not enough real heroism?
        6. +4
          8 December 2014 20: 29
          Excuse me, but does it bother you that this debunking article appeared only in 1990, when, on the wave of perestroika's chernukha, it became fashionable to make "historical discoveries" for the "triumph of democracy and glasnost"?
        7. +1
          8 December 2014 22: 50
          in vain minus the guy
          think about ptr and its ammunition
          in fact, the perl tanks stuffed with frat farther on until successful
    2. +13
      8 December 2014 09: 04
      Well, actually, Sirotinin Nikolay Vladimirovich alone destroyed (if memory serves) 11 tanks 7 armored personnel carriers of armored vehicles and 57 soldiers and officers from Guderian’s division.

      17 July 1941 year. Sokolnichi, near Krichev. In the evening, an unknown Russian soldier was buried. He alone stood at the gun, for a long time he shot a column of tanks and infantry, and died. Everyone was amazed at his courage ... Oberst in front of the grave said that if all the soldiers of the Führer fought like this Russian, they would conquer the whole world. Rifled volleys three times. Still, he is Russian, is such a worship necessary?
      - From the diary of Chief Lieutenant of the 4th Panzer Division Friedrich Hönfeld
      1. -11
        8 December 2014 09: 12
        Well, actually, Sirotinin Nikolay Vladimirovich alone destroyed (if memory serves) 11 tanks 7 armored personnel carriers of armored vehicles and 57 soldiers and officers from Guderian’s division.

        this is an invention of the KP newspaper journalists
        in reality, his score is much smaller


        although one btr is no longer an easy target
        1. +8
          8 December 2014 09: 22
          And did Kolobanov’s crew also destroy anyone?
          1. +2
            8 December 2014 09: 35
            And did Kolobanov’s crew also destroy anyone?

            destroyed.
            fascist tanks,
          2. +5
            8 December 2014 10: 35
            Quote: Stas57
            this is an invention of the KP newspaper journalists
            in reality, his score is much smaller

            Sirotin’s accounts are fiction, but Wittman, for example, is the truth?)))))
            1. +1
              8 December 2014 10: 42
              Sirotin’s accounts are fiction, but Wittman, for example, is the truth?)))))

              and he has enough twists and turns.
              you understand, and the 3 of the tank is very strong, and that the feat did not go away, but it was customary for us to have more. because 2, 3, 4 of the tank is somehow not very good, but 11 is yes, it's cool. Therefore, journalists read for exaggeration for beauty.
              and why is this necessary ?!

              but the fact that knocking out a tank, even one, is already an incredible success no one thinks.
              already now there are a lot of people who say, "3 tanks, yes sirotinin, 11!"
              1. +1
                8 December 2014 11: 11
                Quote: Stas57
                you understand- and the xnumx of the tank is very strong, and that feat did not go away

                In my opinion, you are engaged in crocheting. For example, how many Persians did Leonid personally kill? Ten or twenty? Or maybe a hundred? Not quantity, but the fact that the enemy was not allowed into Moscow, this is the main merit.
                1. 0
                  8 December 2014 11: 24
                  Not quantity, but the fact that the enemy was not allowed into Moscow, this is the main merit.

                  whose? do you know the name of commander Sirotinin not google? and other participants in that battle.
                2. +2
                  8 December 2014 16: 26
                  Here, here ... any dispute with the "truth bearers" who know everything can be ended with one question that confuses them - so who won that war? And the chernukha begins - about Zhukov, who is a butcher, about journalists who sucked out of the finger, about pilots and tankers who cannot be compared with Germans, etc. and so on. So who won the war, hissing truth-lovers?
              2. +2
                8 December 2014 11: 18
                Quote: Stas57
                Sirotin’s accounts are fiction, but Wittman, for example, is the truth?)))))

                and he has enough twists and turns.
                you understand, and the 3 of the tank is very strong, and that the feat did not go away, but it was customary for us to have more. because 2, 3, 4 of the tank is somehow not very good, but 11 is yes, it's cool. Therefore, journalists read for exaggeration for beauty.
                and why is this necessary ?!

                but the fact that knocking out a tank, even one, is already an incredible success no one thinks.
                already now there are a lot of people who say, "3 tanks, yes sirotinin, 11!"

                That is, German aces with a personal account of 200 downed planes no longer annoy anyone ???? Try to shoot at least one, at least in the flight simulator.
                1. 0
                  8 December 2014 20: 08
                  flight simulator IL 2 attack aircraft you choose the difficulty in life and 90% the first time you fly FIG and get on the enemy’s plane in general. hi I recommend to try.
        2. +2
          8 December 2014 09: 53
          M. Melnikov, L. Yushchenko. This is not a legend // Literary newspaper: newspaper. - 1960. - No. of January 7.
          1. +1
            8 December 2014 10: 04
            everything is so, yes.
            but where is it about 11 tanks?
            several tanks, armored personnel carrier, car
            The article coincides with Ogonyok, and by the way, it is the reference to the "light" that is in the documents of TsAMO, that is, the Ministry of Defense recognized this option as canonical, and not the article in the KP
        3. -3
          8 December 2014 10: 06
          Quote: Stas57
          Well, actually, Sirotinin Nikolay Vladimirovich alone destroyed (if memory serves) 11 tanks 7 armored personnel carriers of armored vehicles and 57 soldiers and officers from Guderian’s division.

          this is an invention of the KP newspaper journalists
          in reality, his score is much smaller


          although one btr is no longer an easy target

          Listen Stas, to hell in your eye.
        4. +3
          8 December 2014 20: 49
          I am shocked: that is, you do not believe the "invention" of one newspaper on the basis of the invention of another newspaper ... You see, a newspaper, like any other media outlet, operates with estimates, not facts. Therefore, it is impossible to establish the reliability of events only on the basis of a newspaper publication. The only fact with which in this case we are dealing is only that there was such a publication. All. There are no other facts here !!!
          1. +1
            8 December 2014 21: 46
            Quote: BMP-2
            I am shocked: that is, you do not believe the "invention" of one newspaper on the basis of the invention of another newspaper ... You see, a newspaper, like any other media outlet, operates with estimates, not facts. Therefore, it is impossible to establish the reliability of events only on the basis of a newspaper publication. The only fact with which in this case we are dealing is only that there was such a publication. All. There are no other facts here !!!

            Soviet media was censored, the study was conducted by employees of the Moscow Region,
            The newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda posts women, announcements of whores and other slag, I'm sorry, I don’t know about you, but I believe the 58 Light more than the search for magazine magazines from the yellow newspaper in 2000x,
      2. Andrey Ulyanovsky
        +5
        8 December 2014 12: 14
        The investigation film was shot:
      3. +1
        9 December 2014 17: 13
        Quote: manganese
        Well, actually, Sirotinin Nikolay Vladimirovich alone destroyed (if memory serves) 11 tanks 7 armored personnel carriers of armored vehicles and 57 soldiers and officers from Guderian’s division.

        Yeah ... only when they dug up the documents, it turned out that it was in that place and at that time that the defense was not held by Sirotinin, but by the 2nd Security Council of 409th cn 137 sd under the command of Captain Kim.
        The battalion held out for 4 hours, after which it was forced to retreat - the Germans opened the defense system and covered the ATR positions with artillery fire. Eberbach's Kampfgroup in terms of artillery was a hefty monster - in addition to the artillery allocated from the panzer division, it received "from above" the 740th artillery division of 15 cm guns, the 3rd battery of the 604th battalion of heavy 21 cm mortars, the battery of the 69th artillery regiment of 10 cm cannons and 324th battery of spotters.

        A lone gun against such power had no chance of surviving for a long time. Moreover, the Germans were not fools: the artillery of the camp group moved by rifts - only in the first half of the day did it deploy twice.
        1. 0
          9 December 2014 20: 37
          Another heavy and one light anti-aircraft battery.
    3. +6
      8 December 2014 10: 33
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Yes, you yourself think! 28 fighters armed with cop bottles stop 50 tanks! is it really possible to believe?


      If you take in detail and analyze each feat, it turns out that in addition to the official heroes, there were still many people who contributed to the feat. Here, for example, the battle on the Sandomierz bridgehead of the T-34 crews against the "Royal Tigers". Somewhere there is a mention of the fact that were they supported by ACS? No. Did this make the T-34 crews less heroic? no. Because they started a fight and were bait.
      1. +3
        8 December 2014 10: 46
        Quote: tomket
        Quote: Sahalinets
        Yes, you yourself think! 28 fighters armed with cop bottles stop 50 tanks! is it really possible to believe?


        If you take in detail and analyze each feat, it turns out that in addition to the official heroes, there were still many people who contributed to the feat. Here, for example, the battle on the Sandomierz bridgehead of the T-34 crews against the "Royal Tigers". Somewhere there is a mention of the fact that were they supported by ACS? No. Did this make the T-34 crews less heroic? no. Because they started a fight and were bait.

        in general there is a mention, but yes, we do not understand that it is not necessary to invent "special conditions", the real non-invented Sirotinin and Panfilov are no less heroic than their images
    4. +2
      8 December 2014 13: 50
      I also came across articles by researchers saying that there were not 28 Red Army men, but several more ... Of course, the myth of 28 is more likely propaganda, but this does not make their feat any less heroic. The Germans were stopped at the approaches to Moscow at the cost of incredible, inhuman efforts, great sacrifices and great dedication. No matter how many there are, they are all heroes and this fact deserves respect and reverence.
    5. +6
      8 December 2014 13: 52
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Yes, you yourself think! 28 fighters armed with cop bottles stop 50 tanks! is it really possible to believe?

      Can this be believed?
      For exit from the environment Khattab paid 500 thousand dollars. But on its way the 6-I company of the 104-th Guards Parachute Regiment stood up. On the 90 of the Pskov paratroopers leaned 2500 Chechen militants.

      Read more: http://www.realisti.ru/main/strong_men/pravda-o-6-rote-pskovskogo-desanta.htm#ix
      zz3LIoWVsxF
      1. +4
        8 December 2014 20: 56
        Here! The feat differs from the ordinary in that a person does the impossible! Moreover, the man himself at this moment absolutely does not care whether they believe it or not!
    6. +1
      8 December 2014 15: 48
      Here is the first swallow. You know the situation exactly. We are waiting for your "truth".
    7. +3
      8 December 2014 15: 51
      So the trouble is that the feat was, but not at all! There were not 28 fighters, but a whole battalion.
      On November 7, in the Duvanka area, 4 immortal soldiers led by political instructor N.D. Filchenkov, who entered into battle with enemy tanks, killed 10 of them and died, but did not miss the enemy. --- And it was also not possible near Sevastopol ??? There was also a regiment of marines ??? Think whose dirty thoughts you push through!
      1. 0
        9 December 2014 17: 17
        Quote: jktu66
        On November 7, in the Duvanka area, 4 immortal soldiers led by political instructor N.D. Filchenkov, who entered into battle with enemy tanks, killed 10 of them and died, but did not miss the enemy. --- And it was also not possible near Sevastopol ??? There was also a regiment of marines ???

        A small question - what tanks did the marines fight with?
        The problem "German tanks in 1941 near Sevastopol" have been digging for 20 years - and so far there is no exact answer either by the number of armored vehicles or by types. The range of opinions - from "shtugi, Romanian and captured Soviet tanks" to "conventional tractors of motorized PT Abtailungs".
  9. +1
    8 December 2014 07: 26
    Minister of Culture of Russia Medinsky, the last time pleases All of us, with his actions.
  10. +9
    8 December 2014 07: 31
    The Russian people accomplished a myriad of feats like the Panfilovites during the war years. The film must be shot, and not one for state money, and let Bondarchuk wipe himself with his "Stalingrad" - expensive, pretentious, false.
    1. +9
      8 December 2014 09: 07
      That's for sure. The fact that the actors are removed without a fee says a lot. There is something to respect people.
  11. +1
    8 December 2014 07: 42
    In order to shoot something on the themes of national history, you must at least choose a name for yourself in the Cyrillic alphabet ...
  12. +3
    8 December 2014 07: 45
    We have such a great story ... and so few good war films ... made in the last 23 years ..
  13. +14
    8 December 2014 07: 48
    . There are things that must not be forgotten ... On August 24, 1942, 33 Soviet fighters took an unequal battle in the vicinity of Stalingrad. In a few hours, amid an acute shortage of ammunition and a lack of communication with the regiment, they were able to destroy 27 Hitler tanks and about 150 German soldiers. The fighters managed to defend the occupied height without a single loss. Their feat went down in history as the feat of "thirty-three."

    23 August 1942, the German troops broke through the front line at the junction of the 4 tank and 62 armies and moved to Stalingrad. In 40 kilometers from the city, not far from the settlement of Malaya Rossoshka, the reconnaissance platoon of the 77,6 regiment, the 1379 rifle division under the command of lieutenant Shmelev, a squad of machine gunners led by Sergeant Dmitry Pukazov and communications officers led by junior occupied the defense. political instructor Alexei Evtifeev.

    After a large-scale enemy bombing, the connection with the regiment was lost, and only the 33 fighter remained alive, who, with no instructions about further actions, remained in position.

    German guns were silent, but the platoon had no doubts - this is the calm before the storm. The enemy received an order to take Stalingrad by August 25, and he will stop at nothing to regain the height occupied by Soviet soldiers.

    The surviving defenders began preparations for the upcoming battle, for the latter, as they were sure. We deepened the trenches as best we could, reinforced and disguised them. They calculated modest ammunition: bottles with a combustible mixture, grenades, machine guns, rifles ...

    Junior political officer Evtifeev mined in the next trench an anti-gun and ammunition. Everyone began to inspect, feel the armor-piercing, touch the bolt - none of the fighters had ever fired from it.

    The elders of the rank spoke with their subordinates, encouraged them with good news from the Western and Kalinin fronts, where Soviet troops broke through the enemy defenses ...

    So almost all the day passed in suspense and oppressive waiting. And at sunset, the men heard the roar of the engines of the approaching column of German tanks. There were about 50, followed by an infantry battalion.

    When the first blow of the German guns was heard, the Soviet fighters were already on the alert, each holding his own position and knew his own task.

    The first shots from the trench thundered - the youngest political officer Evtifeev stood up for the anti-tank rifle. Having knocked down several combat vehicles, he entrusted the weapon to George Strelkov. And the enemy tanks all went and went, not stopping before the losses. The fire did not stop, squad commanders Mikhail Mingalev, Vladimir Paschalny and Andrei Rudykh monitored the movement of tanks and indicated targets for destruction. The Red Army fought in harmony: as soon as the accurate fire reached the German tank, from which the Nazis soon began to get out, the machine gunners of Pukazov shot them.

    Thirty three
    Armed with Molotov cocktails, defenders disabled enemy tanks, one after the other.
    The ammunition was running out. There was nowhere to replenish them. There is no help from anyone. To the question of one of the machine gunners about what to do next, Sergeant Pukazov answered: “Fight to the last. In which case, living reptiles do not give up. "

    Of the last strength, the Soviet fighters continued to fight. Late at night, after losing 27 tanks and some 150 soldiers and officers, the Germans were forced to retreat. 33 defender defended the occupied height, not allowing the enemy to approach Stalingrad.

    For the perfect feat of fighters awarded orders and medals. The famous writer and publicist Ilya Ehrenburg wrote about them:

    “Thirty-three did not flinch. They destroyed tanks with grenades, bottles. They destroyed twenty-seven tanks. Once again, the Russian heart was stronger than iron. If a stranger tells us that only a miracle can save Stalingrad, we will answer: is not a miracle a feat of thirty-three? The enemy does not yet know what the Russian people are capable of when he defends his land. ”
    1. +5
      8 December 2014 08: 47
      We have so many historical feats that you can shoot super patriotic films, Hollywood scrapes in the archive every time, collects stories, some kind of fact, just to INFLATE, remove and say that we "won" ...
      and our people spend money on all sorts of nonsense like "bastards" and think that I should like it-bluewater and not a movie ..
      Well done guys that took up this project, we will await the premiere with impatience!
  14. +6
    8 December 2014 07: 56
    It's a shame, but I broke my tongue before I read the name of the studio! Lybian Palette ...... fool
    When will we begin to be proud not only of the exploits of our ancestors, but also of our language ????
    Patriotism begins even with this!
  15. +2
    8 December 2014 08: 15
    Absolutely the right thing. Now a lot of films about the war have appeared, but many of them with a dash. I really hope that this film will escape today's stereotypes. Good luck to everyone involved in this film.
  16. +3
    8 December 2014 08: 15
    The film is necessary. The film is necessary. The truth is not entirely clear how the fight against falsification of history and the actor Ustyugov fit in? What am I talking about? Let me remind you. Ustyugov directed the film "I Serve the Soviet Union", based on Menaker's novel "Dinner with the Devil" . The false novel. The false film. Short (in the film): the famous writer (Averin), exiled (of course innocently) to the camps. The famous actress (Grishaeva), refused to caress Beria. Exiled to the camps. "Camps" (located on the border) German saboteurs are attacking. The cowardly NKVDeshnaya guard runs. The writer, the actress and another group of "innocent" are killing the Germans. The guard of the dagery returns and executes the "heroes".
    1. 0
      8 December 2014 17: 48
      Well, what can Menaker write now? Especially now.
  17. +6
    8 December 2014 08: 20
    What difference does it make, 70 years later, was this episode specifically with the Panfilovites, or was it invented by the correspondent. The main thing is that the people believed in this, and someone did not run from the advancing tanks, and someone did not tremble. And we won. Let them take off, without unnecessary pathos, as close as possible to the combat ...
    After all, "Hot Snow" could be removed?
    Victory in the war, including information, comes to those who fight to the end. And now they are just trying to destroy us.
    1. sebast
      0
      8 December 2014 11: 54
      The problem is that in this way the exploits of the whole Panfilov’s division are diminished and the imaginary feat is puffed out, because one could take a real episode, or shoot something like the beautiful film “Aty-bats, soldiers were coming ...”.
    2. +3
      8 December 2014 12: 15
      What's the difference,,,,,. And we won.

      we? or are they?
      if, nevertheless, they can give them a debt of memory, telling about how it was, about the feat, and not about journalistic fiction, because the division fought perfectly and heroically, and there are enough feats there, what do you know about other participants in those events? sure nothing!


      what's the difference?
      Yes, no, in principle, you can do with a concrete bayonet, a barrow of glory and 100gr. on 9 May. We won.
      that’s what we did, and now we’ve been looking for people for 20 years, we’re raising them .... they’ve gone missing and nobody needs them, the country paid off them with a bayonet bayonet in 3x kilometers from the grave.
      Come, dig with us, with others, hold the bowler hat signed by Sidorov, look at how the fighter was preparing for battle - here is a flask in a niche, here are the cartridges, here are the grenades, look at his broken skull, and try to repeat - "What a difference, 70 years later, was this particular episode "
      1. +3
        8 December 2014 21: 01
        And here I completely agree with you.
  18. +11
    8 December 2014 08: 24
    Anyone interested in this episode of the war, I recommend learning more about it. Here is a link to the material, there you can find links to documents of archives.
    http://forum.zaural.ru/index.php?topic=28459.0

    The fact that just such a (!) Battle was not known in the Soviet era. a special investigation was carried out. What happened? And there were battles on the defenses of Moscow, in which the 16th army took part, in which there were 318 rifle divisions under the command of Major General Panfilov. And as part of the division, 1075 rifle regiment fought. It was his company (2 battalion, 4 company) that approximately at that time in the same place opposed the German troops. There were more than 100 people in the company. And there was a political instructor Diev, whom he renamed Klochkova. The rest can be found in the indicated materials.
    And I can also recommend a wonderful book by Alexander Bek "Volokolamsk Highway". There, on behalf of the battalion commander, and then the regiment commander, Baurdzhan Momysh-uly, a story is being told about the autumn and winter of 1941. This is one of the best books on war! This is really a real story. no falsifications! As the filmmakers want.
    Eternal glory and eternal memory to the fallen soldiers and workers of the rear!
    1. +2
      8 December 2014 08: 39
      In school, was one of the handbooks! Back in those years, I thought about 28 heroes, but the point is not that there were not 28, but the awareness of the people who defended the capital. People did not share their nationalities, they just defended their country, the USSR. It is a pity that Panfilov was renamed again in Kazakhstan Jarkent, in the 80s often been there.
  19. -2
    8 December 2014 08: 31
    The feat is debunked, but the fact that for many events of the Second World War in general have nothing to do with reality, but they eat from a bowl of Hollywood, is that how?
  20. ed65b
    +3
    8 December 2014 08: 34
    It is necessary that the film would turn out. It is necessary that the Bondarchuk and Mikhalkovs mastering hundreds of millions of ye choke on bullshit with envy.
  21. +1
    8 December 2014 08: 36
    Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten!!!
    1. +2
      8 December 2014 08: 54
      seriously?
      only this year in our region we raised approx 500, who remembers them? but about those who lie?
      and what does modern youth remember in their masses, not even knowing when the war began?
      1. +2
        8 December 2014 11: 36
        You are doing a very important and necessary thing. Each one contributes to the preservation of memory - someone reboots the fallen, someone makes films - this is very necessary for modern youth to know too. No need to scold them, they need to be taught.
      2. 0
        8 December 2014 11: 36
        You are doing a very important and necessary thing. Each one contributes to the preservation of memory - someone reboots the fallen, someone makes films - this is very necessary for modern youth to know too. No need to scold them, they need to be taught.
      3. +2
        9 December 2014 01: 29
        Dear Stas57
        And when did the war begin on September 1 or September 17, 39, or November 26, 1939, or June 22, 41, and ended on May 8 or 9, 45 or September 2, 45.? This is so of course a rhetorical question. To learn history without embellishment, you need to know the truth and then fictional exploits will not be needed. And read the bulletins of the information bureau, the German army ceased to exist in September 41. Of course there was a feat of individuals and the whole people, there were miscalculations of command. It is necessary to talk about this (and not to shout, since we defeated the great Stalin, Zhukov is right in everything) and it seems to me that a simple monument with a star and a name is much better than many false memorials. Better yet, help veterans survive the remaining days in abundance and respect, and not by the next date, let's see what happens on May 9, 2015.
        PS For me, Rokossovsky is much cooler than Zhukov.
        Sincerely.
  22. +1
    8 December 2014 08: 41
    I really look forward to this film, a film about the heroes who fought for our future !!!
  23. -3
    8 December 2014 08: 47
    capitalism makes a film about the exploits of the Communists in the war, there is something unrealistic about it :-)
  24. +5
    8 December 2014 08: 53
    "Twenty-eight Panfilov": a folk film against the falsification of history

    I didn’t understand the meaning of the phrase, how can falsification defeat falsification?
    why the authors rejected the idea of ​​the true feat of the entire division, although the answer is obvious.
    Well, we'll wait for the movie.
  25. +3
    8 December 2014 09: 05
    Quote: Mountain Shooter

    After all, "Hot Snow" could be removed?


    For filming "Hot Snow" almost a division was involved, and everything was for real - and frost, trenches in the steppe ... No "computer graphics", everything "live" ...
    1. Underwood
      +1
      8 December 2014 09: 24
      with all due respect: to make a good movie you need the money. Rage's budget, for example, is $ 68 million. The bottom line is clear - the best WWII movie since Ryan. Ours, without exaggeration, grandiose factual material lacks a little: funds and talented embodiment. The viewer has become much more choosy, you can’t take it with the lurid T-IV mockups or digital animations. The primacy of ideology in a cheap wrapper no longer rolls, let's be honest.
      1. +3
        8 December 2014 10: 39
        Saving Private Ryan and Rage are definitely talented films! But for all their budget and quality, they have one drawback - they killed about the same number of American soldiers as the number of Americans killed in WWII. They are far from historical realism.
        1. +4
          8 December 2014 10: 51
          Saving Private Ryan and Rage are definitely talented films! But for all their budget and quality, they have one drawback - they killed about the same number of American soldiers as the number of Americans killed in WWII. They are far from historical realism.

          they shoot about their story as they want, and we watch their films and curse, instead of the Americans watching our films and crying. Alas, until we start filming our own, nothing good, so it will be
          1. Cat
            +1
            8 December 2014 20: 21
            And during the war they watched our films and cried. They signed up as volunteers and went to the front. One of our films "Rainbow" is worth it. Old, black and white, a little ideological, but a film. A real film about a real war. Our Great Patriotic War.
            1. +1
              8 December 2014 20: 28
              Quote: Kotischa
              Old, black and white, a little ideological, but a film. A real film about a real war. Our Great Patriotic War.

              And the film about the war should be black and white, the colors distract from the main thing, it annoys me that in the current films about the war the form looks very new due to the saturated colors
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      3. +4
        8 December 2014 10: 42
        here I agree with the previous author Underwood that to make a film about the war at the level of at least one episode of "Liberation" or Hollywood films about the war, you need a serious budget. My father went through the whole war, was drafted in 1938, demobilized in 1948, but as the film about the war began, he left and did not watch. I didn't have time to ask why I did this, until I grew up to the point where you can ask such serious questions and understand the answers, my father died.
        1. Underwood
          +1
          8 December 2014 11: 06
          Quote: Semurg
          My father went through the whole war, was called up in 1938, demobilized in 1948, but when the movie about the war began he left and did not watch

          You know, Semurg, such an interesting fact: my grandfather went from Khalkhin Gol to Vienna, but you won’t guess which movie he liked)))
          "Sergeant Tsibuli's Country Walk"
          ))
          1. 0
            8 December 2014 14: 36
            I haven’t seen this film, but maybe I don’t remember it already. Now, for some reason, I also don’t watch films about that war, only when we show a documentary chronicle in some programs, we watch it with my wife (her father fought the same thing), and to be honest, we can see one of the parents in the pictures (although I understand that this is unrealistic).
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    2. +2
      8 December 2014 12: 30
      Quote: Dragon-y
      For filming "Hot Snow" almost a division was involved, and everything was for real - and frost, trenches in the steppe ... No "computer graphics", everything "live" ...

      And the actresses manicure.
      But these are trifles. Here "Alexander Nevsky" in general during the war and in the summer was filmed and filmed in such a way that after the show people were inspired and went into battle! We were proud of our heroic ancestors and our Motherland!
      What will this film set people up for? I hope for pride in the history of the Fatherland, and not for revealing discrepancies and "cleverness".
      1. bug
        +1
        8 December 2014 13: 08
        Quote: Drednout

        But these are trifles. Here "Alexander Nevsky" in general during the war and in the summer was filmed and filmed in such a way that after the show people were inspired and went into battle! We were proud of our heroic ancestors and our Motherland!
        What will this film set people up for? I hope for pride in the history of the Fatherland, and not for revealing discrepancies and "cleverness".

        Excuse me, wars with whom? What battle could people go in 1938? If only we watched in what year the film was shot = (
  26. 0
    8 December 2014 09: 41
    From the "cinematographer" of the Russian Federation 1991 - 2005, I am frankly sick of it.
    Since 2008, it seems that more or less scenario scenarios have been established
    and presentation of ideas and material.
    Now, in general, cool paintings began to be made.
    Smokeless. With characters. It’s not a shame for them.
    Still it would be better to pick up a drink from films with or without ...

    But Hollywood continues to clip chernukha in all genres.
    Drug, bloodthirsty, vulgarity, obscenity, lack of culture, unisex.
    Finally, I can’t watch their films as if they were dipping a soul into slops.
    Oh well, their forest is shorter.
    It is good that there is an opportunity to learn from the Panfilovites to love their homeland!
    1. Underwood
      0
      8 December 2014 09: 49
      Quote: attuda
      Since 2008, it seems that more or less scenario scenarios have been established
      and presentation of ideas and material.
      Now, in general, cool paintings began to be made.

      for example?
    2. +3
      8 December 2014 11: 37
      Why not? "I am a Russian soldier" (1995) is it a bad film?
      1. 0
        8 December 2014 11: 48
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Why not? "I am a Russian soldier" (1995) is it a bad film?

        The sediment remained from him. The title is especially important against the backdrop of a Jewish family hiding in the catacombs.
  27. +7
    8 December 2014 10: 00
    Quote: Underwood
    The result is obvious - the best film about WWII after Ryan.

    And who decided that Rage and Private Rain were the best 2MV films?
    1. Underwood
      -1
      8 December 2014 10: 16
      Quote: Severomor
      And who decided that Rage and Private Rain were the best 2MV films?

      and who decided not?
      1. +6
        8 December 2014 10: 41
        Yes, everyone who is in the subject. The best American films about WWII are the Pacific Ocean and Brothers in Arms.
        1. Underwood
          0
          8 December 2014 10: 52
          Quote: Spade
          The best American films about World War II are micro-series.

          these are different formats. Although - and in the serial genre in this subject, we have nothing to boast of.
          1. +2
            8 December 2014 11: 57
            It's not about the format. Microseries could do without Hollywood.
            There is a completely different ideology, it is enough to watch the same microserial "Generation of Assassins"

            In the first place is not pretentiousness, but reality. A kind of "socialist realism". And therefore they are fundamentally different from "Saving a Private", "Rage", the earlier "The Fall of the Black Hawk" and others similar from the series "Scary but heroic and patriotic"
        2. 0
          8 December 2014 17: 30
          The best American films about WWII are the Pacific Ocean and Brothers in Arms.

          In my opinion, "Pacific Ocean" is much weaker than "Brothers in Arms". I liked the film "Thin Red Line" much more about this theater.
          Well, of course it's better than "Brothers" about WWII, nothing was filmed. And hardly ever will be.
          1. +1
            8 December 2014 22: 06
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            I liked the film "Thin Red Line" much more about this theater.

            A pitiful semblance of a book of the same name. Hollywood people decided to "lower the degree." Because the book was so black that it was published even in the USSR. Like "the mores of the American military" smile
            1. +1
              9 December 2014 00: 09
              It's just that Lines script is the exact opposite of the book. They did not reduce the degree, but completely rethought. The film is pacifist in nature. Very realistic, without the pathos typical of Hollywood, with the gorgeous deep music of Hans Zimmer, which makes up an independent half of the film.
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      2. 0
        8 December 2014 12: 00
        Quote: Underwood
        and who decided not?


        Mzht then you need to write - in my humble opinion - these are masterpieces about 2MB.

        I don't think so with my humble opinion. Number of Oscars, please do not indicate, "Schindler's List" has collected everything ... so what? Does everyone now consider this a masterpiece?
    2. -1
      8 December 2014 10: 42
      Quote: Severomor
      And who decided that Rage and Private Rain were the best 2MV films?

      Rayne undoubtedly, there are a lot of questions to Rage. Maybe she will be in the top ten, but in second place in any way. We are talking about the Second World War or the war on the Western Front. Compare with niche films about the war and put them on a single list, I think it’s not right.
      1. Underwood
        +1
        8 December 2014 10: 58
        Quote: tomket
        , to Rage a lot of questions

        definitely. However, it is qualitatively a cut above "Stalingrad" and Mikhalkov's handicrafts.
        Quote: tomket
        We are talking about the Second World War or the war on the Western Front.

        Speech about the Second World War on the Western Front)
        I repeat: on our material, you can shoot (in the plot) a movie worthy of an order of magnitude, capable of breaking the pattern and reaching the liver. Apparently, nobody needs this.
        1. +2
          8 December 2014 11: 23
          Quote: Underwood
          Speech about the Second World War on the Western Front)

          We now have a generation of directors who, in the hope of either getting a box office or an Oscar, shoot films with a constant eye on someone. For example, Bondarchuk decided that Spielberg did not receive an Oscar for "Schindler's List" for nothing, therefore, nosebleed, it is imperative to cram the tragedy of the Jewish family into the film. Could you play around this topic without stupidly copying scenes from other films? I think yes. However, Bondarchuk decided that the first time it rolled, then the second time it rolled. That’s why we are not doing well with the specifics either. The directors simply do not understand that the episode in Ryan with heads and limbs coming off from large-caliber fire makes people not admire the beautiful rotation of the bullet, but feel disgust for the war.
    3. 0
      8 December 2014 11: 30
      Quote: Severomor
      And who decided that Rage and Private Rain were the best 2MV films?

      I liked Pearl Harbor! I’m constantly reviewing the moment when the Americans start to multiply by zero, well, just like in that joke about the Turks who attacked Sweden wassat
      1. +2
        8 December 2014 11: 32
        Quote: shuhartred
        I liked Pearl Harbor!

        As soon as women appear in the film, all the carcasses are light ...
        1. Underwood
          +2
          8 December 2014 11: 38
          Quote: tomket
          As soon as women appear in the film, all the carcasses are light ...

          laughing
          excellent! It seems to me that this should have been a review of the scripts of "Stalingrad"))
          But I think this in no way applies to Bondarevsky (not Bondarchukovsky) heroines!
          1. +2
            8 December 2014 11: 47
            Quote: Underwood
            excellent! It seems to me that this should have been a review of the scripts of "Stalingrad"))

            In Pearl Harbor, if I'm not mistaken, there was a love triangle, in "Stalingrad", what is there a love pentogram? or a love dodicahedron?)))) In my opinion, the topic of the civilian population is well disclosed, in Western films - Ryan, on the example of a French family that gets underfoot, b) Russian films - they fought for the Motherland, especially the dialogue about counting whether the soldiers are draping or heroically retreating, however, for the population falling into the occupation, there is not much difference.
            1. +1
              8 December 2014 20: 32
              Quote: tomket
              In Pearl Harbor, if I am not mistaken, there was a love triangle, in "Stalingrad", what is there a love pentogram? or a love dodicahedron?))))

              Gotta make a movie with Moebius' love loop
              1. +1
                9 December 2014 22: 42
                Quote: saag
                Gotta make a movie with Moebius' love loop

                Better a bottle of Klein. belay After all, we won’t wait until the end of filming. wassat
  28. +5
    8 December 2014 10: 14
    I was most struck by the feat of the girls anti-aircraft gunners near Stalingrad. After the German tanks broke through, batteries of anti-aircraft guns around Stalingrad suddenly appeared on their way. The girls died almost everything, trying to delay what was not in their power to detain ...
    1. +4
      8 December 2014 10: 32
      Quote: Aleksander
      I was most struck by the feat of the girls anti-aircraft gunners near Stalingrad. After the German tanks broke through, batteries of anti-aircraft guns around Stalingrad suddenly appeared on their way. The girls died almost everything, trying to delay what was not in their power to detain ...

      I’ll tell you such a story, tears come up, but unfortunately they won’t take off about such a movie. And nobody will look for them.

      "Not everyone is capable of giving a woman a blow with a butt" (c)
      The quote in the title is from the history of the 12th motorized infantry regiment of the German 4th division. The entire paragraph reads like this: "Bei der Bedienungsmannschaft kämpfen auch Frauen. Im Nahkampf mit ihnen sind wir schwer gehemmt. Es ist nicht jedermanns Sache, einer Frau" Kolbentropfen "zu verabreichen." we have serious difficulties. Not everyone is able to give a woman a blow with a butt (literally, "to give applied drops") "."
      We are talking about the calculation of anti-aircraft 85 mm guns 52-K, belonging to the 3 division 18 regiment PTO.

      In July, the 41st 18th anti-aircraft artillery regiment of the air defense was reorganized into the 18th anti-tank defense regiment (PTO) and transferred to Roslavl to "reinforce" the defense of the 222nd rifle division. The numerical strength of the regiment is 1213 people. It was armed with 36 anti-aircraft guns.

      On the morning of the 3 of August, the units of the German 35 tp advancing on Roslaval were hit by anti-aircraft guns from the flank in the area of ​​the settlement Ploskova - the tank of one of the German battalion commanders Lieutenant Colonel Hochbaum burned down. It was in this area that the positions of the 3-th division of the 18 artillery regiment were located.

      further
      http://zhur-from-rkka.livejournal.com/4097.html
    2. 0
      8 December 2014 10: 44
      Quote: Aleksander
      The girls died almost everything, trying to delay what was not in their power to detain ...

      The famous Aht-coma-aht, just became famous for the fight against tanks, another thing is that the calculations were anti-aircraft, and not anti-tank.
      1. 0
        8 December 2014 10: 54
        I mean that there are many stories from which "the eyes sweat"
        stories that no one has heard of, like Dankov’s battle, but who needs it?
        1. +2
          8 December 2014 11: 07
          Quote: Stas57
          stories that no one has heard of, like Dankov’s battle, but who needs it?

          It should be noted here that our task is precisely that such stories would not have sunk into oblivion. After all, what is the Great Patriotic War? This is an everyday feat of thousands of people. What, for example, is the air battle of an unknown pilot who cut off Barkhorn, say less heroic of Pokryshkin’s combat work? Nothing. This is the usual routine of war, and daily feats were perceived as commonplace.
          1. 0
            8 December 2014 11: 27
            It should be noted here that our task is precisely that such stories would not have sunk into oblivion. After all, what is the Great Patriotic War? This is an everyday feat of thousands of people.

            so I immediately suggested making a movie about the Ilinsky guys or sappers "at the shtug".
            Or about a generally unknown story.
            But nobody needs it.
          2. Underwood
            +2
            8 December 2014 11: 44
            Quote: tomket
            that our task is precisely that such stories would not have sunk into oblivion. After all, what is the Great Patriotic War? This is an everyday feat of thousands of people.

            Therefore, for me personally, "non-heroic" films about the Second World War were and remain my favorite. "In War, As In War" is the clearest example of such a movie. For all time ...
            1. 0
              8 December 2014 14: 40
              Quote: Underwood
              "In War, As In War" is the clearest example of such a movie. For all time ...


              Yes, this is some kind of REAL movie. "Twenty days without war" is also from this series, in my opinion ...
            2. 0
              8 December 2014 14: 40
              Quote: Underwood
              "In War, As In War" is the clearest example of such a movie. For all time ...


              Yes, this is some kind of REAL movie. "Twenty days without war" is also from this series, in my opinion ...
      2. Underwood
        0
        8 December 2014 11: 03
        Quote: tomket
        The famous Aht-coma-aht, just became famous for the fight against tanks

        well, in relation to the Red Army then "akht-komma-funf" (if 52-K is meant).
        ))
        she also has German roots, no?
        1. 0
          8 December 2014 11: 34
          Quote: Underwood
          well, in relation to the Red Army then "aht-komma-funf"

          I meant the German anti-aircraft guns, and I wanted to emphasize that anti-aircraft guns as a means against tanks, a formidable weapon.
          1. Underwood
            0
            8 December 2014 11: 48
            Quote: tomket
            I meant the German anti-aircraft guns, and I wanted to emphasize that anti-aircraft guns as a means against tanks, a formidable weapon.

            I understood you)
            Rommel's Novation with Traps with Flak 36?
            "They smash my tanks to pieces."
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  29. hayka
    +5
    8 December 2014 10: 28
    I have been waiting for this film for a long time.
    Was there an appeal to the management of Kazakhfilm JSC for support in filming?
    Was this weekend in Panfilov (Zharkent).
    On the way to Zharkent there is a large state farm Panfilov, it was not renamed.
  30. +3
    8 December 2014 10: 38
    A good movie will turn out or a bad one, I know one thing. This is a film about people who died for you and me !!! And do not say it was 28 or 100, they died for us. That's what I think the movie will be about ...
  31. +4
    8 December 2014 10: 50
    I think that the topic:
    On Monday, December 8, People's Artist of the USSR Alisa Freindlich celebrates her 80th birthday. ... Fate early shaped the will and character of Alisa Freundlich, who as a child endured in her native Leningrad all the trials of the blockade - hunger, cold and fire. "During the blockade, I went to first grade, despite my small age, I was in the Timurov team. We looked after old women and emaciated people, broke down fences, collected some sticks to heat their frozen apartments. In hospitals they gave concerts for the wounded. I sang "Eh, Roads", "Sevastopol Stone", and also "Dark Night" and from the movie "Two Soldiers", - the actress recalls.

    Source: http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/37640-alisa-freyndlih-otmechaet-yubiley.html
    Politikus.ru

    hi hi hi
  32. buser
    +5
    8 December 2014 10: 58
    I read several books by A. Bek "Volokolamskoe shosse". It is striking that the Panfilov division was formed almost from scratch and 3 almost civilians, and thrown into battle at most two months after the beginning of formation ... At the same time, not only fought better than cadre units, but also used new tactical maneuvers and strategies like the Momyshuly spiral !!! (Although Momyshuly always said that he only embodied the ideas of Panfilov himself). German general Erich Hoepner called it “a savage division fighting in violation of all regulations and
    the battle, the soldiers of which do not surrender, are extremely fanatical and not afraid of death ”
  33. +1
    8 December 2014 11: 05
    I hope the film will be interesting, and not only historically accurate, that it would not be dumb to spend money in a movie theater
  34. hoard
    +3
    8 December 2014 11: 12
    Personally, I prefer an objective story rather than a "legendary" one.
    Let me give you an example. In 2010, the films "Brest. Serf Heroes" and "Brest Fortress" were released. I was the first to watch the documentary-fiction "Brest. Serf Heroes". Strong. After him, watching the "Brest Fortress" was unpleasant - it was annoying propaganda falsifications in the best Soviet traditions. At the same time, the press release for the film stated that the authors strictly adhered to historical facts! A couple of months later, I happened to be in Brest and personally verify the facts of falsification. I don't need such a movie.
    1. +1
      8 December 2014 11: 30
      Personally, I prefer an objective story rather than a "legendary" one.

      I support, but judging by my opponents here ...
      For example, how many Persians did Leonid personally kill? Ten or twenty? Or maybe a hundred?
    2. Underwood
      0
      8 December 2014 11: 31
      Quote: magot
      Personally, I prefer an objective story rather than a "legendary" one.

      "objective" films are reconstruction. This is not really a feature film.
      1. +1
        8 December 2014 11: 53
        "objective" films are reconstruction. This is not really a feature film.

        "in war as in war" recon?
        "at your doorstep" recon?
        "when the front is in defense" recon?
        "torpedo bombers" recon?
        continue?
    3. +3
      8 December 2014 11: 48
      I will repeat once again about the Brest Fortress a wonderful film was shot in 1995 - "I am a Russian soldier" with a stunning final scene. Just an example of a successful combination of the artistic genre and historical reality.
      1. +3
        8 December 2014 11: 58
        I will repeat once again about the Brest Fortress a wonderful film was shot in 1995 - "I am a Russian soldier"

        I did not like the image of a Russian soldier presented as a crazy fanatic.
        Well, the taste and color are known ..
  35. Underwood
    +1
    8 December 2014 11: 29
    Quote: magot
    verify the facts of falsification. I don’t need such a movie.

    the line between falsification and the author's hyperbole is always a topical topic. Personally, I did not find any falsehood in the "Brest Fortress".
    1. hoard
      0
      8 December 2014 12: 20
      Watch "Brest. Heroes of the Fortress" or read the doc. materials (this is more expensive), and then revise the "Brest Fortress" - and "find 10 differences"))). And the edge problem is really difficult. Probably, a sense of proportion is important here.
      1. +1
        8 December 2014 14: 47
        And the problem of the verge is really difficult.

        There is no arguing with you. Not everything is so simple with history, but with films ...... Their younger generation is watching.
        Take the same Brest Fortress. The heroic defense of the fortress itself is YES, but to show how in the first hours of the war there also ceased to exist there, as formations, two rifle and one tank divisions (Korobkov).
        Or Sevastopol. Heroic Defense-YES. But how to show the evacuation of commanders in the film? (October)
        What kind of films are needed? For some reason, more questions arise.
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  36. +4
    8 December 2014 11: 29
    Why can’t you make a film not about the fictitious feat of 28, but about the real feat of the entire division?
  37. 0
    8 December 2014 11: 32
    I think that all films and serials that are now being filmed were written "Fantasy on the theme of the Second World War" and not a feature film. There is absolutely nothing of historicity in them, and even more so they are far from a true description.
    Better yet, ban all these "fantasy".
    1. Underwood
      0
      8 December 2014 12: 05
      Quote: jetfors_84
      I think that all films and serials that are now being filmed were written "Fantasy on the theme of the Second World War" and not a feature film.

      right. Like "milk" and "milk drink".
  38. +1
    8 December 2014 11: 33
    We have few historical films raising a sense of pride in our homeland. And if they are, they do not always correspond to historical truth. The Ministry of Culture should be the main customer of these films, and the scenarios must be consistent with reality and historical truth. In these films, the spirit of a person, his patriotism, the power of the Russian people should be revealed. And it is necessary to begin not from the 20th century, but from the sources of Russia.
    1. Underwood
      +2
      8 December 2014 11: 53
      Quote: valentina-makanalina
      The Ministry of Culture should be the main customer of these films.

      The Ministry of Culture is engaged in the promotion of overgrowth morons with TNT, such as cretinoids Kharlamov, Galustyan and others, as well as applying money warmers to senile Mikhalkov hemorrhoids. What kind of patriotic movie are we talking about?
    2. +1
      8 December 2014 11: 55
      Quote: valentina-makanalina
      but from the sources of Russia.

      The battle on Kalka begs for a film adaptation.
      1. Underwood
        +1
        8 December 2014 12: 04
        Quote: tomket
        The battle on Kalka begs for a film adaptation.

        and Byzantine campaigns)
        1. 0
          8 December 2014 16: 18
          Quote: tomket
          The battle on Kalka begs for a film adaptation.

          And from standing on the Ugra River a good historical drama will turn out, IMHO. fellow With battle scenes there, everything will certainly be bad, if we do not forget about historical realism, but costume designers and reenactors will have a chance to give everything in full; plus add a romantic line and a hat thing! The main thing is not to let Fedyu into the project. Something like this...
  39. +1
    8 December 2014 12: 03
    I sent a hundredth ... well, so far ... I think if each hundredths they do a movie before. Good luck to the film crew and are waiting for an example.
  40. +2
    8 December 2014 12: 10
    And where is the guarantee that this film will not become approximately the same as the film "SHTRAFBAT", so praised by the liberals as well OOOVery true film about VO.

    Father, after escaping from captivity (Kharkov boiler of the mediocre N. Khrushchev), ended up in the NKVD test and filtering concentration camp, and then in a real penal battalion, where there was 1 rifle for two, and a detachment behind. Of the 1500 fighters of their penal battalion who stormed the skyscraper near Lodeynoye Pole, 9 people survived - wounded (which means they atoned for their homeland with their blood). Only after this was restored to the rank and, after healing, - again to the front line (battery commander 152 mm howitzer gun).
    1. Underwood
      +1
      8 December 2014 12: 15
      Quote: ma_shlomha
      as the film "SHTRAFBAT"

      in vain you remembered this emetic .... in vain ...
      "Gu-ha", IMHO, is much more watchable, though not without flaws.
  41. +1
    8 December 2014 13: 41
    Quote: sebast
    The problem is that in this way the exploits of the whole Panfilov’s division are diminished and the imaginary feat is puffed out, because one could take a real episode, or shoot something like the beautiful film “Aty-bats, soldiers were coming ...”.

    What is heroism? And what is a feat? Many people are real heroes, ready to accomplish a feat, but they never get such a chance. The reason is simple, a place for achievement appears when everything goes wrong. If supply, support had been organized, or if circumstances had developed differently, then there would have been no room for a feat for the Panfilovites. Like the rest of the division, they would have fought according to the "plan". But when events do not turn out so, then there is a place for achievement. A hero, if he is, of course, a hero, first of all, before a heroic deed makes himself a final judgment, not subject to appeal and appeal, and this is the heroic deed - self-sacrifice for the cause. There is no one left in the soul, either-or, for yourself you died before the feat, only your body, your brain remained, the soul already communicates with the ancestors. And then you plug the embrasure with your body, climb under the tank with a bottle, you are not knocked off the target by the roar of explosions, and the whistle of bullets does not press you to the ground. Because your fear is shot like a deserter, the instinct of self-preservation is buried next to him, and in your head is only the task. Such behavior is unusual for a person, and therefore the results from such behavior are amazing, because the factors that prevent an ordinary person from completing the task now do not work. A group feat is more impressive, since the effect of coordinated actions grows exponentially. That is the answer why Panfilov's men gave such a result - they fought as a training task, maximum efficiency with complete indifference to threats to their own lives.
  42. +1
    8 December 2014 13: 56
    Zhirinovsky, by the way, stir up the count of money, he is from Almaty) smile
  43. Igor 069
    +2
    8 December 2014 14: 41
    I worship everyone who fought, they are all heroes, the country knows about them or not. Yes, I think that the soldiers did not set themselves the task of becoming heroes, they simply wanted to survive, and if they didn’t manage to die with dignity. And how many of them are in the country ...
  44. +1
    8 December 2014 14: 48
    Quote: jetfors_84
    I think that all films and serials that are now being filmed were written "Fantasy on the theme of the Second World War" and not a feature film. There is absolutely nothing of historicity in them, and even more so they are far from a true description.
    Better yet, ban all these "fantasy".

    The ability to perform feats (see my previous post) is an acquired quality, brought up by example. And if there are few examples in life, almost none, then they need to be shown in the movies. But in the cinema, as in any other art, the goal is emotions. And the truth here is not how many tanks were there, but what did the soldiers feel, why did they become capable of a feat, and many others didn’t? And what about the director if the tank on the screen isn’t figs intrepid, but in life it’s possible to fuck up (sorry for my French). I was really worried about my sphincter, sitting in the trench when the tank passed over me. Although no one was shooting, and the trench was concrete, and the crew of the tank did not have the task of destroying me, but rather the other way around ... But seeing this exercise on TV, I thought about what’s complicated, sat down, waited, straightened up, threw a grenade.
  45. Alexander
    0
    8 December 2014 14: 55
    Goblin will von bock play smile I am glad that there will be no "serial beau monde" in such a serious project.
  46. Sendi7s
    0
    8 December 2014 15: 00
    I hope that everything works out. And we will see a real film about real people - created by grateful descendants. I want to believe that in our time there are such fearless people. After all, it is no secret that absolutely everyone is afraid. But heroes are those people who know how to overcome their fear and fulfill their duty.
  47. 0
    8 December 2014 15: 03
    how you want to see a good, reliable, real film. And then they already got these films with a bunch of blunders and stupid stories, mats are not enough as you watch. In Soviet films, active database participants consulted everywhere, which I have not seen for a long time in modern credits
  48. +2
    8 December 2014 16: 06
    Hurry would have shot this film. Already tired of all of this - the new truthful truth about the war with ala boobs on the battlefield and love stories against the backdrop of the war.
  49. +1
    8 December 2014 16: 30
    The Russian Ministry of Culture decided not to stay away from the filming of the military-patriotic film and out of the three film scenarios for financial and informational support chose the script for the film "28 Panfilov". True, there were also those who declared the need to refuse state support for the film being shot. Like, if the state intervenes in the filming, then the trail of folk cinema will dissolve.

    They are categorically against and the "smack" of democracy or stinginess about the tax replenishment of the State Film Agency with our money has nothing to do with it! It's simple: if the share of the state. money in the budget of the picture will exceed 30% of the picture, they will officially appoint a state official-controller and okay, if from the Ministry of Culture, and not from the Duma Committee on Culture and Sports !!! Although, if Valuev is put on, then maybe something else will come out (sarcasm). Otherwise, Nikita or someone else will play this role, and they will begin to dictate conditions to the film crew and actors - and absolutely justifiably and legally, mind you. As a result, it will turn out to be such a parasha that there will simply be no talk of praising the feat, or historical reconstruction, or the rise of patriotism!
    The population of Russia in the end is 140 million, if at least a tenth of it transfers 100 rubles each, there is no need for state. this fund will not have money and joint rituals over the budget and "the author's vision in the producer's refraction" (unless, of course, the announced draft budget is not a lie).
    From SW. hi
  50. +2
    8 December 2014 16: 53
    During the war years, 28 Panfilovites and similar stories were needed to raise morale, to debunk the myths about the invulnerability of German tanks in the troops. But now why make a film about it. For example, in "They Fought for the Motherland" there is no reference to specific people or units, but the film does not get any worse from this. Compare with the movie "9th company", and the company was like that and the battle, but everything else is complete crap.
    Well, if the writers really want to shoot about real heroes, please, there is Vasily Stepanovich Petrov, there you can make a whole series.
  51. +5
    8 December 2014 17: 13
    I am proud that my grandfather is a Panfilovite! And many fellow Almaty residents too!
    Eternal Glory to the Heroes!
    1. +1
      8 December 2014 21: 40
      Quote: Kunar
      I am proud that my grandfather is a Panfilovite! And many fellow Almaty residents too!
      Eternal Glory to the Heroes!

      My two uncles are buried in the same mass grave near the village of Kryukovo. Pafilovites.
      One cannot help but be proud of the defenders of the Motherland.
      And the monument!!! Strongly!!! Especially at night. When backlit.
  52. nnnnnn
    +5
    8 December 2014 17: 22
    Kazakhstan and Russia have agreed to co-finance the film “Panfilov’s 28 Men,” reports the Russian agency TASS.

    “The ministers of culture of Russia and Kazakhstan at the international cultural forum in St. Petersburg agreed to co-finance a film about 28 Panfilov men. Initially, funds for the film were raised by an initiative group,” the publication says.

    According to the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky, this will be a joint production, filming will be completed in 2015. He noted that the initiative group managed to collect about 24 million rubles.

    “The collection continues, but Kazakhstan and I decided to support this film,” the minister clarified.

    He added that the film will be in Russian with fragments in Kazakh.

    “This feat is highly revered in Kazakhstan, and on the eve of the 70th anniversary of the Victory, we are obliged to make a film masterpiece,” said Kazakh Minister of Culture Arystanbek Mukhamediuly. At the same time, in his opinion, it is very important that the initiative to create a film comes from the people, and not from officials.

    Almost 56 million rubles have already been collected for the film, including 30 million rubles will be received in the near future from the Ministry of Culture as part of a grant to subsidize from the federal budget in 2014 the production of feature-length original and experimental films on the theme “War Drama”.

    According to one of the authors of the project, screenwriter Andrei Shalopa, about the same amount is needed to complete the film. He also noted that filming of the film is planned to be completed in March next year, and to be released in theaters by the end of 2015 - beginning of 2016
  53. +3
    8 December 2014 17: 58
    Just don’t need pseudo-liberal curtsies. I'm already sick of them. You can't raise normal people with films like this. Americans are not shy about lying, even in documentaries. Yesterday, only on their history channel they stated that the Red Army men allegedly raped 2 million German women, of which every 10 committed suicide. And you can connect to this channel with us. This is where the Ministry of Culture is not improving. By the way, there is an excellent film about the Panfilov men with Bykov. And what is remembered in it is not reflection on moral and ethical issues, but heroism and sacrifice - people knew why they were dying. Unlike the same Americans who fought on foreign soil, for foreign interests. (don't look at the flag, I'm on a business trip)
  54. +2
    8 December 2014 18: 16
    I transferred some money to the film’s account, although not a lot, but something.

    From the world by thread - a good film for the people
  55. +3
    8 December 2014 18: 35
    there were many famous and not so famous feats in those years... here is one of them:
    during the siege of Leningrad, during a terrible famine, the Institute of Plant Growing had huge reserves of seed material (potatoes, barley, wheat...) but!!! not a single kilogram was eaten by the employees... they were starving just like other Leningraders of that time... for them it was (among other things) a symbol of faith in victory - they knew that the country would win and then they would need the seed fund they had saved to feed millions of people. Can you imagine what it means to be swollen from hunger and constantly work with seed material (essentially food)? I personally don’t... but they worked...
    More:
    http://www.novayagazeta-vlad.ru/164/Istoriya/Podvig13leningradtsevK125letiyuNiko
    layaVavilova

    like other heroes, they did not think that they were doing something heroic, they just doing their job, that’s why our grandfathers and grandmothers, fathers and mothers won that war - they simply with full dedication, no matter what everyone did their own thing!!!....if each of us does the same, we will defeat any adversary!!!
    ...these are not big words... that's how it is...
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  57. 0
    8 December 2014 19: 57


    Well, here's another film about the war. And they will also find flaws in it and find something to complain about. The film is unfortunately doomed to failure in Russia, regardless of the direction and acting sad ... because it was filmed (including) on ​​the territory of “scary to say”...Ukraine belay You need to be simpler... and kinder wink
    ZY I'll definitely watch it, judging by the trailer, the film is worth watching.
  58. malikszh
    +2
    8 December 2014 20: 15
    I am proud that my fellow countrymen tore these Germans and others near Moscow. glory to the heroes.
  59. +2
    8 December 2014 20: 57
    In the USSR/Russia we have a huge number of real heroes - those who fought or worked!
    Why make a film about a fictional case? Why propagate a myth that has already been exposed as a fake? This only undermines faith in real heroes.
    (The investigation was carried out immediately after the war, on Stalin’s orders, trying to establish the true picture of the battle. There were no 28 Panfilov’s men!)
    I am categorically against the creation of this film, the glorification of the mythical 28 Panfilov men!
    The truth must be told about the war! The truth! And here is a story sucked out of thin air...

    And they’re already doing PR... Nothing has been done yet, but they’re already excitedly boasting...
    All Russian (after 91) films about the war suck!
    1. Mizuari
      0
      9 December 2014 10: 52
      Do you still believe the media?
  60. +4
    8 December 2014 22: 22
    Quote: Leader
    (The investigation was carried out immediately after the war, on Stalin’s orders, trying to establish the true picture of the battle. There were no 28 Panfilov’s men!)
    I am categorically against the creation of this film, the glorification of the mythical 28 Panfilov men!

    Enemies do not sleep.
    It was at VO. I wasn't lazy.
    “It has been refuted that this is a literary fiction in the program Specistoriya by Kumanev Georgy Aleksandrovich, who is a Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor, Head of the Center for Military History of Russia IRI RAS http://specistoriya.ru/index.php/stenogrammy/voprosy-txt/voprosy-5-txt .html the confusion with the number of Panfilov’s men is due to the fact that there really was a regiment at first, but the right flank, led by the regimental commissar Mukhamedyarov and the regiment commander, Colonel Kaprov, retreated, leaving 29 people on the left, one of whom tried to surrender. After his execution, 28 people remained on the left flank. The left flank repelled an attack by 50 Nazi tanks and a company of machine gunners. The attack stopped for 4,5 hours, 18 tanks were destroyed. 6 people survived: Daniil Aleksandrovich Kozhubergenov - political instructor Klochkov’s liaison officer, Ivan Evstafievich Dobrobabin, Grigory Melentyevich Shemyakin, Ivan Demidovich Shadrin, Illarion Romanovich Vasiliev. The historian met with all of them more than once. They lived in different places. Three lived in Almaty. One of them is in Tsimlyansk. The other is in Kemerovo. The basis for the reasoning that this is all a myth is the case started on the instructions of the chief military prosecutor Afanasyev on the basis of the fact that 5 out of 6 Panfilov’s men were captured. A team of investigators extracted confessions that there was no battle, and Krivitsky, under the threat of exile, stated that he had invented the article and did not write it based on the memoirs of the wounded hero of the Soviet Union, Ivan Moiseevich Natarov. It is impossible to rely on the testimony of the regiment commander Kaprov and the regiment commissar Mukhamedyarov since they retreated and, accordingly, could not be witnesses to the battle. They were immediately removed from command and faced court martial. I would like to especially note, as proof that the case was falsified, that the case was never put into action. Zhdanov said that everything was done clumsily and sewn with white thread and ordered the case to be pushed into a special storage room»
    The “ears” of lies about the 28 Panfilov men have been growing since February 23, 2010, when Radio Azattyk disseminated the material “The myth about the 28 Panfilov men has long been dispelled, but Soviet propaganda is kept in Kazakhstan.”
    A spoon of tar...? Is it really Private Ryan?
    1. +2
      8 December 2014 22: 34
      this is a spoonful of truth.
    2. 0
      10 December 2014 13: 22
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      A team of investigators extracted confessions that there was no battle, and Krivitsky, under the threat of exile, stated that he had invented the article and did not write it based on the memoirs of the wounded hero of the Soviet Union, Ivan Moiseevich Natarov.

      Everything would be fine, but here’s the problem: in military archives the date of death of Ivan Moiseevich Natarov is November 14, 1941. And the battle of 28 Panfilov men took place on November 16th.
      1. +2
        10 December 2014 22: 03
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Everything would be fine, but here’s the problem: in the military archives the date of death of Ivan Moiseevich Natarov is listed as November 14, 1941. And the battle of 28 Panfilov men took place on November 16th.

        Don’t forget the conditions in which the documents were written, not in offices under seagulls. There could very well be mistakes. Different. I wrote above that two of my uncles lie in the same mass grave near Kryukov. By chance, in 1974, my father found his second surname and initials carved in stone. And so, for so many years, he was “missing in action.”
        28 Panfilov men are already a heroic legend, not a myth. You shouldn't ruin it. There will be many more attempts to denigrate our history. "Water wears away stones." Example - Ukraine.
        1. +1
          11 December 2014 10: 53
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          28 Panfilov men are already a heroic legend, not a myth. You shouldn't ruin it. There will be many more attempts to denigrate our history. "Water wears away stones." Example - Ukraine.

          The problem is that if it is a legend, then it must be treated as a legend. And don’t insist that this is exactly how it really happened.

          If we consider the legend of 28 Panfilov’s men in the canonical version, with all the destroyed tanks, to be true, then the next question will be: and what was the rest of the Red Army doing if one company could fill so many tanks? And then a conspiracy theory or favorite thesis of the revisionists pops up"no one wanted to fight for the Soviet regime".
  61. +2
    9 December 2014 00: 02
    By the way, in Alexander Bek’s book “Volokolamsk Highway”, no one doubts the authenticity of the material, it is indicated that even motorized rifle battalions had anti-tank guns. For those who have not read this book, I highly recommend reading it, there is truth in the battles near Moscow without the slightest fiction, that’s how it was written. I heard that at one time this book was studied in English military institutions as an example of proper combat training.
    1. 0
      10 December 2014 13: 50
      Quote: okroshka79
      By the way, in Alexander Bek’s book “Volokolamsk Highway”, no one doubts the authenticity of the material, it is indicated that even motorized rifle battalions had anti-tank guns.

      Everything is correct. Motorized rifle battalions and motorized rifle and machine gun battalions belonged to tank brigades. And they were their only infantry unit of their own. Accordingly, all PTA TBR was concentrated in them - 8 PTA.

      There were 9 such battalions in the rifle division. According to the pre-war staff, the SD actually had 54 anti-tank guns: 2 each in the PT SB, plus another 6 each in the PT SB and another 12-18 in the PTDN division. But the losses of materiel were so great (by September 1941, half of the pre-war number of anti-tank guns had been lost) that by August, according to the state 04/600 dated July 29.07.1941, 6, anti-tank guns remained only in the regiments - XNUMX per tank brigade.
      As a result, only 18 anti-tank guns remained in the SD. On 9 Sat. Therefore, it was necessary to either assign PTB to the most threatened areas, or generally keep them in PT reserve.
      We should also not forget that the regular amount of artillery in the SD was usually available only when it was brought into battle. Further, its quantity only decreased.
      The situation was slightly corrected by individual anti-tank units assigned to the infantry. But in November 1941, even they could not boast of a full staff.
      As a result, there was not enough anti-tank guns for the entire sb, even taking into account the supplied units. In the same 316th Infantry Division, the assigned tanker was used as a reserve division commander to “plug holes.”
  62. +2
    9 December 2014 01: 47
    Modern Russian cinema does not reflect Russia's participation in World War I hi
  63. +3
    9 December 2014 04: 52
    As a child, my favorite reading was stories about the exploits of Russian soldiers of all times, not just the Great Patriotic War. The story about the heroism of the Panfilovites, among other things, laid in children's minds such foundations as readiness for self-sacrifice, the spirit of military and international brotherhood, and love for the Motherland. And it is these concepts that are worthy of the memory of those who fell on the battlefield. And let it be a beautiful legend, because this is the only way the memory of the feat of our ancestors will last long. No one will remember and delve into the details, telling their children about these exploits, of what actually happened. After all, the main thing is not to interrupt the memory of generations, then the Panfilovs and Matrosovs and Pokryshkins will not be lost among us.
    And the fact that in the 90s our state archives were dug by all and sundry and there were entire groups of “specialists” who purposefully falsified the history of the Soviet period is a fact. Find and read the materials of the round table dedicated to the Katyn tragedy with the participation of Viktor Ilyukhin.
    Therefore, if they make a film without Mikhalkov’s NKVD horror stories and without Bondarchuk’s (the younger) sweetness, then it will find its audience. And in general, a real film about the Second World War made in Russia has long been needed. In my opinion, “Hot Snow” and “They Fought for the Motherland” are still our best films in this genre.
  64. +1
    9 December 2014 09: 27
    Is there a trailer? Just to at least see what's there.
  65. +3
    9 December 2014 09: 36
    But it doesn’t matter to me how many Panfilovites we actually had and their nationality, whether they had guns, what the political instructor said, how many tanks were knocked out and how many weren’t. Let historians sort this out and argue in the archives. But the Russian feat itself is important people, self-sacrifice. People went to their death, and decades later someone begins to challenge their Action and look for inconsistencies. And such “folk” films are, first of all, a tribute to respect and memory of ALL who fought against fascism, all who survived this evil, and who died for their Motherland .And I think that the state MUST help in the filming of such films.
    1. +1
      10 December 2014 14: 03
      So let them make films based on real exploits. Otherwise, some Borusik or Solonin will come and, having pulled out the documents, first debunk the myth on the basis of which the film was made, and then, by analogy, mix real exploits with mud, using the technique favorite of revisionists: "or does anyone, after debunking one particular case, still believe in the reality of the others?". And those who believed the film will find themselves in a sadly familiar situation from perestroika: “What does this mean - they lied to us, none of this happened?". And from this particular there is one step to the general: "allwhat they told us about that war - stories, there were no exploits and no patriotism".

      Or do we have no undisputed feats? The same Ilyinsky lines and Podolsk cadets: a company of “Czechs” + 2 “fours”, knocked out in half an hour by one anti-aircraft gun and one bunker. Moreover, the fact was documented and “from the other side” - the Germans filmed their entire column.

      We have already built propaganda on myths. As a result, Suvorov and those who worship him were raised.
  66. +2
    9 December 2014 15: 25
    In connection with the topic, I remembered Alexander Beck’s book “Volokolamsk Highway”. I read it 10 times as a child.
    In 3 months they trained the militia into soldiers. There were not enough personnel commanders.
  67. +1
    9 December 2014 22: 18
    YES. Mikhalkov should not be allowed near the painting!
  68. +3
    9 December 2014 23: 07
    Comrades! What are we even discussing? Was there a feat of Panfilov’s men? Or who is cooler than Suvorov or Kutuzov? Osovets or the Brest Fortress? I don’t understand. Any feat in the name of the Motherland is a feat! And it is worthy of people remembering and knowing about it.
  69. +1
    9 December 2014 23: 42
    The main thing is not to give the film to Bondarchuk or Mikhalkov! With all due respect, the directors are good, but not the historical theme... the action or melodrama will be great... but they will distort all the facts! like with the film "Stalingrad"! I hope the movie turns out great and not with cardboard tanks based on the T62 disguised as tigers and T34s (like all the deer can’t see what kind of tank it is in the skating rinks)! It would be better if they drew them on a computer.. but to make it more historical!
  70. +2
    9 December 2014 23: 49
    Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers defended the Motherland, defended the World!
    Now tolerant liberals are arguing - was it or not?..
    It is useless and unnecessary to argue with these half-baked “democrats”.
    I have an eldest daughter and a younger son, and they know that their great-grandfathers died for their Motherland, and my grandchildren and great-grandchildren will know this - so we will win...
  71. +1
    10 December 2014 09: 18
    I propose not to criticize the event itself, even if it is emotionally embellished for the holiness of the moment, this does not at all diminish the feat of every soldier in principle. There are and should be heroic, holy markers in our history and they must be honored and protected. But the filming needs help, everyone decides for themselves...
  72. aleksandr33
    +1
    10 December 2014 10: 01
    There is no need to distort history, everyone who is slightly interested in the history of the Second World War knows that the feat was invented by a journalist, and WE HAVE AND WILL HAVE real feats: for example, the feat of 5 sailors near Odessa, who held back an entire division for XNUMX hours, but even here the not very smart agitprop attributed it to heroic death legend about tying grenades around oneself and throwing oneself under tanks. Tanks did not attack Odessa during that period of time. But the idea is correct and necessary. We need to make patriotic films!!!!!!!
  73. +1
    10 December 2014 12: 13
    Truth is best. It should be shown as it was. Lies (no matter for what) are especially dangerous for young people with their maximalism and protest.
    1. +2
      10 December 2014 14: 09
      Quote: Knizhnik
      Truth is best. It should be shown as it was. Lies (no matter for what) are especially dangerous for young people with their maximalism and protest.

      The problem is that for any episode of the war, it is possible to make a strictly documentary film and a patriotic film.
      For the same Stalingrad, you can take the documents of the army - and get a saga about a stubborn and heroic defense, during which units retreat, sometimes flee, but little by little learn urban combat - and in the end overcome an experienced and strong enemy.
      Or you can take the documents of the Main Military Prosecutor's Office and the NKVD - and get a black film about cowards, scoundrels, womanizers, drunkards, deserters, traitors, etc., it is unclear how they held the banks of the Volga.
  74. +1
    10 December 2014 16: 24
    So, for your information, during the first use of anti-tank guns, 22 holes were counted in one damaged tank - so stopping the tank is not so easy. And the fact that it’s like a tank is not a tank, but something so-so - I’ll tell you this, comrades, even in peacetime, when they roll you around with a tank, it’s scary - and at the same time you know that the tank is yours and it won’t specifically press you in. And believe me, you won’t give a damn how many tons you’ll have to fit under 3-11 or 40. As they say, “the tank doesn’t fuck, it crushes.”
  75. +3
    10 December 2014 19: 52
    That’s right, patriotic education is the responsibility of the state.
  76. +2
    10 December 2014 20: 53
    Well done Kazakhs! remember history!
  77. +2
    10 December 2014 23: 27
    “To show in such a way that 28 Panfilov’s men will repulse the attack today - the attack of those whose primary task is to denigrate the memory of the Soviet soldier, pseudo-historical lies aimed at undermining national and state foundations.”
    Medvedev will probably watch the film on his iPhone, shake his head “it’s a mess, people still remember” and make another education reform (of course with the obligatory destruction of the department of the Russian Academy of Sciences dealing with history), so that children don’t even know their names anymore...
  78. 0
    31 December 2014 07: 10
    Quote: inaz777
    Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers defended the Motherland, defended the World!
    Now tolerant liberals are arguing - was it or not?..
    It is useless and unnecessary to argue with these half-baked “democrats”.
    I have an eldest daughter and a younger son, and they know that their great-grandfathers died for their Motherland, and my grandchildren and great-grandchildren will know this - so we will win...


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