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Pulse Race: high-energy weapons ready to go to sea

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Under the LaWS program of the US Navy, the possibility of using low-cost fiber laser technology as the basis of a laser weaponsthat could be integrated into existing Phalanx installations

For the first time, the US Navy is fully prepared to demonstrate the work of high-energy laser weapons and recently announced plans to launch a prototype electromagnetic rail gun at sea. Consider the progress in the new generation of pulse weapons.

For several decades in the US Navy only talk, what about the deployment on ships of lasers, pulse energy systems and electric weapons. A number of very attractive theoretical advantages — almost unlimited shops, cheap ammunition and rapid impact, and much more — contributed to the defense science and technology community investing significant resources in the creation, development, and demonstration of relevant technologies at that time. This process led to a stream of publications and patents, several prototypes and a mass of illustrious world records.

However, such weapons from a technical point of view has proved too difficult to design and manufacture. Technology and technology did not always fit well within the expected time frame, and some initially promising solutions proved impractical or non-working; the laws of physics sometimes got in the way of progress.

Even so, the fleet maintained faith in basic science, and the prudent use of R & D resources to reduce risks and develop key advanced technologies recently began to pay dividends. Indeed, the fleet is currently on the verge of deploying its first high-power high-energy laser (HEL) high-power laser; It is also planned in 2016 to launch a prototype electromagnetic rail gun into the sea.

The head of the Navy Research and Development Directorate, Rear Admiral Matthew Klander, describes these high-powered weapons as “the future of the sea battle”, adding that the Navy “are at the forefront of this unique technology.”

Still, it is worth recalling that directional energy weapons, such as high power lasers and high power microwaves, have been studied for more than four decades. For example, the Navy opened a department for the HEL program back in 1971 and began developing, manufacturing and testing a military demonstration sample of a powerful (about a megawatt) HEL on deuterium fluoride.

The newest история The development of directed energy weapons for the US Navy really began with the re-establishment of the PMS 2004 software office in July 405 for the Naval Systems Command naval systems and electric weapons. This step served as a new impetus to scientific and technical developments, which were put off for about a decade in a box labeled "exotic." Not that research was suspended; rather, technology did not have a clear path to success.

Over the past decade, the PMS 405 has served as a center for the transfer of technology of electric weapons and weapons of directed energy from laboratories to the fleet. In this role, he coordinated R & D between naval research centers, government laboratories, and industry.

Also noteworthy here is the contribution of the ONR (Office of Naval Research) Navy Research and Naval Surface Warfare Establishment Dahlgren Division Naval Surface Naval Weapons Development Center in Dahlgren. ONR oversaw innovative developments in high-power laser and rail gun technology, while NSWCDD was founded as a “center of excellence” for research, development, and modeling of directed energy. As part of the Directorate for the Study of Directed Energy, the Center for the Study of Military Operations, using Directed Energy Warfare Office (DEWO), is engaged in the transfer of HEL technology from scientific and technological space to advanced naval forces.

Laser charm

If we look at the abstract, weapon systems with a powerful HEL laser offer many advantages compared to traditional cannons and guided munitions: delivering impact at the speed of light and short target irradiation times; scalable impact (ranging from lethal to non-lethal); line-of-sight accuracy; guidance with high accuracy; super fast target re-acquisition; a large and renewable store free of hazards and logistic burdens associated with standard explosive ordnance.

However, first of all, the prospect of a very low cost per shot - according to ONR calculations is much less than one dollar per shot - had a fascinating effect on the command fleet US seeking ways to continue funding.

At the same time, despite the fact that it is often said about the positive qualities of HEL systems, the complex tasks of finalizing the laser weapons deployed on ships for a long time haunt physicists and engineers. Focusing power on a target is one of the main problems. It is necessary that a laser weapon be able to focus a high-energy beam on a small and clearly marked aiming point on the target in order to deliver the impact. However, given the many types of potential targets, the required amount of energy and range at which destruction will be guaranteed can vary considerably.

Power is not the only problem. Thermal spreading may occur when a laser beam, emitted for a long period of time along the same line of sight, heats the air through which it passes, causing scattering and defocusing of the beam. Targeting is also hampered by the complex and dynamic properties of the surrounding marine environment.

Next, you need to consider various issues of integration with the platform. Bulky prototype devices have a large form factor, serial systems require significant downsizing in order to integrate with smaller platforms. The integration of HEL weapons into warships also imposes new requirements for the carrier platform regarding energy generation, distribution of this energy, cooling and heat removal.

ONR in the middle of 2000-ies identified the Free Electron Laser (FEL) free-electron laser as the best long-term solution for the HEL ship-based weapon system. This is due to the fact that the wavelength of the FEL beam can be finely adjusted to the prevailing external conditions in order to achieve the best “atmospheric permeability”.

In this regard, under the leadership of ONR, the Innovative Naval Prototype (INP) innovative marine prototype program was launched with the aim of developing a demonstrator FEL of 100 kW class with a working wavelength in the 1,0-2,2 micron range. Boeing and Raytheon received parallel annual contracts for Phase IA in April for preliminary design, and in September 2009 Boeing was selected to continue Phase IB, after which the project was brought to the stage of critical structural analysis.

After completing a critical analysis of the FEL power plant, Boeing wanted to make and test the next FEL 100 kW demo that was designed to work at three different wavelengths. However, ONR in the 2011 year turned the work on the INP in order to direct current resources to develop a solid-state SSL laser (solid state laser). Work on FEL is currently focused on continuing work to reduce the risks associated with this system.


The LaWS system under the designation AN / SEQ-3 will be installed on the Ponce ship of the US Navy in the next few months as a “quick response tool”. A LaWS guide will be installed above the bridge of the Ponce ship.

This redirection of resources was a consequence of the greater maturity of the SSL technology and the prospect of accelerated deployment of affordable HEL weapons in the US Navy. ONR and PMS 405 recognized this path of development for the near term in the mid-to-late 2000-s.

According to Rear Admiral Klander, the SSL program "is among our highest-priority science and technology programs." He added that these emerging opportunities are particularly attractive because they offer “an affordable solution to the costly problem of protecting against asymmetric threats. Our opponents may not even appear, knowing that we can aim the laser at a target at a price of less than one dollar per shot. ”

Over the past six years, emphasis has been placed on the development of solid state technology, as evidenced by the development and demonstration in this area. One example is the Maritime Laser Demonstration (MLD) marine laser demonstrator. In April 2011, the company Northrop Grumman installed a prototype SSL laser on a test vessel, which with its beam knocked out a small target ship. Peter Morrison, HEL program manager at ONR, said that this was “for the first time a HEL with such power levels was installed on a warship, received energy from this ship and was used on a remote target under sea conditions.”

The MLD demonstration was the culmination of two and a half years of design, development, integration, and testing. Above the MLD project along with industry, high energy technology and Navy laboratories in Dahlgren, China Lake, Port Hunem and Point Mugu; This project also embodies the developments taken from the program for a general high-power solid-state laser.

Meanwhile, in March 2007, work began on a prototype laser system for the Laser Weapon System (LaWS), conceived as an addition to the existing 20-mm Mk 15 Phalanx (CIWS) short-range complex. LaWS will realize the benefits of commercial glass fiber laser technology in order to obtain an additional type of weaponry to defeat a subgroup of low-cost “asymmetric” targets, such as small UAVs and high-speed combat boats.

LaWS manages PMS 405 in collaboration with the Integrated Combat Systems Program Execution Administration, the DEWO Center in Dahlgren, and Raytheon Missile Systems (original manufacturer Phalanx). As part of this program, it is proposed to put the technology of a cheap fiberglass laser into the basis of a laser weapon, which could potentially be integrated into an existing Phalanx installation. This requirement for integrating a laser with an existing installation determines its mass to 1200-1500 kg. It would also be desirable that this additional armament does not affect the operation of the installation, the azimuth and elevation angles, the maximum transfer speed or acceleration.

Power limits

Given these limitations, a ready-made commercial fiber-optic laser technology was identified as the most promising solution. Although this SSL technology has some limitations in terms of power (they are gradually being removed as technology improves), the use of fiber-optic lasers made it possible to reduce the price of not only weapons technology, but also modification of the system on existing installations.

After an initial period of analysis, assessing the lethality of the threats, reviewing the most important components and trade-offs, the LaWS team completed the design and creation of an experimental system. In order to achieve sufficient power and, accordingly, lethality at a certain distance, this type of technology requires the use of a new beam adder, which could combine six separate glass fiber lasers with 5,4 kW in free space so as to obtain a higher radiation intensity on the target.

In order to reduce the cost for this program, a lot of equipment was collected, which was previously developed and purchased for other research tasks. Here you can call the tracking support L-3 Brashear KINETO K433, 500-mm telescope and high-performance infrared sensors. Some components were already purchased, such as fiber-optic lasers themselves.

In March 2009, the LaWS system (with a single fiber laser) destroyed mortar shells at the White Sands firing range. In June 2009, tests were conducted at the Center for Naval Aids aviationduring which the prototype tracked, captured and destroyed five UAVs that performed the “threat role” in flight.

The next series of field tests took place on the open sea in May, 2010, where the LaWS system at a distance of approximately one nautical mile successfully destroyed four targets in the form of UAVs in four attempts in “close to combat” scenarios. This event in ONR was called significant - the first destruction of targets with a full cycle from pointing to a shot in a surface environment.

However, the US Navy’s confidence in their desire to move forward on an accelerated development plan was given by the DDG-51 USS Dewey sea missile test (DDG 105) in July 2012. During tests on the Dewey destroyer, the LaWS system (temporarily installed on the flight deck of the ship) successfully hit three UAV targets, setting its record for capturing 12 targets from 12.

LaWS installation plans, which received the designation AN / SEQ-3 (XN-1), aboard the ship USS Ponce, which served as a floating forward base (intermediate) in the Persian Gulf, were announced as Commander of Naval Operations, Admiral Jonathan Griert in April 2013 of the year. AN / SEQ-3 is deployed as a “rapid response capability,” which will enable the US Navy to evaluate technology in the operational space. The experiment is headed by the management of the study of the combat use of the fleet in cooperation with the central command of the Navy / Fifth Fleet.

Addressing delegates to the symposium of the surface fleet association in January 2014? Rear Admiral Klander said that "for the first time, operational deployment of directed energy weapons in the world was made." He added that the final assembly of LaWS was done at the NSWCDD center, tests of the complete system were completed at the Dahlgren test site before being sent to the Persian Gulf for installation on the Ponce ship. Sea trials are scheduled for the third quarter of 2014.

The LaWS guide will be installed on the deck at the top of the Ponce Bridge. “The system will be fully integrated with the ship in terms of cooling, electrical and power,” said Klander. It will also be fully integrated with the combat system of the ship and the Phalanx CIWS short-range system. ”

NSWCDD upgraded the system and demonstrated the ability of Phalanx CIWS to track and transfer targets to the LaWS system for further tracking and targeting. On board the Ponce, the commander of the missile and artillery warhead will operate on the LaWS control panel.

The data collected during the maritime demonstration will go to the SSL TM program (SSL Technology Maturation - development of solid-state laser technology) of the ONR control. The main goal of the SSL TM program, launched in 2012, is to align the thresholds and objectives of the science and technology program with future research and development, testing and procurement needs.

According to ONR, the activity of the SSL TM program is to conduct "several demonstration activities with prototypes of systems in a competitive space." Three industrial groups, led by Northrop Grumman, BAE Systems and Raytheon, were selected for developing SSL TM projects; an analysis of draft designs is scheduled to be completed by the end of the second quarter of 2014. Next year, ONR will decide which ones are suitable for the maritime demonstration.

Rail gun in the sea

Along with the US Navy laser, they consider the electromagnetic rail gun as another transformational weapon system, which allows delivering high-speed projectiles at extended ranges with very high accuracy. The fleet plans to get the 50-100 nautical miles initial range with an increase in it with time to 220 nautical miles.

Electromagnetic guns overcome the limitations of traditional guns (which use chemical pyrotechnic compounds to accelerate the projectile along the entire length of the barrel) and offer increased range, short flight time and high-energy lethality on the target. Due to the use of the passage of electric current of very high voltage, powerful electromagnetic forces are created, for example, theoretically a marine electromagnetic gun could fire projectiles at speeds higher than 7 moves. The projectile will very quickly reach the extra-atmospheric trajectory (flight without aerodynamic drag), re-entering the atmosphere to hit the target at speeds above 5 Mach numbers.

The prototype program of the ship's electromagnetic gun was launched by ONR in 2005 as the main component of scientific and technological work, within which it is necessary to modify the technology of rail guns to equip the fleet with a complete system around the 2030-2035 years.

At the Phase 1 stage of the INP innovation project, emphasis was placed on the development of launcher technology with an appropriate lifespan, the development of pulse power technology and a reduction in the risk for projectile components. BAE Systems and General Atomics supplied prototypes of their rail guns for testing and evaluation at the NSWCDD center.



At the Phase 1 phase of the Navy's research and development control program for an electromagnetic gun, emphasis was placed on developing a launcher with a sufficient service life, developing reliable pulse power and reducing the risk for a projectile. BAE Systems and General Atomics put prototypes of rail guns at the weapons development center for testing and evaluation.

As part of the Phase 1 phase, the goal of demonstrating the experimental setup was achieved; in December 2010, the initial energy 32 MJ was obtained; a promising weapon system with such an energy level will be able to launch a projectile at a range of 100 nautical miles.

In the middle of 2013, BAE Systems received a contract worth 34,5 million dollars from managing ONR to complete the Phase 2 phase of the INP program; it was the first to be selected, leaving behind the rival General Atomics team. At Phase 2, technologies will be refined to a level sufficient to move to a development program. The launcher and impulse power will be improved, which made it possible to move from single shots to multiply-charged capabilities. For the launcher and the system of pulsed power will also be developed methods of thermal regulation, necessary for prolonged firing. The first prototypes will be delivered during the 2014 year; Development is conducted by BAE Systems in collaboration with IAP Research and SAIC.

At the end of 2013, ONR awarded BAE Systems a separate contract worth 33,6 million dollars to develop and demonstrate a Hyper Velocity Projectile hypersonic projectile (HVP). HVP is described as a next generation guided missile. It will be a modular projectile with low aerodynamic drag compatible with an electromagnetic gun, as well as existing 127-mm and 155-mm gun systems.

The initial phase of the HVP contract ended in the middle of 2014; their goal was to develop a conceptual design and development plan to demonstrate a fully controlled flight. Development will be conducted by BAE Systems together with UTC Aerospace Systems and CAES.

The cost of an HVP projectile with a mass of 10,4 kg for an electromagnetic gun is estimated at about 25 000 dollars apiece; According to Admiral Klander, "the projectile costs about 1 / 100 the cost of the existing missile system."

In April, 2014, the fleet, confirmed its plans to display a rail cannon aboard its high-speed Millinocket ship in 2016.

According to Chief Naval Systems Command Engineer NAVSEA Rear Admiral Bryant Fuller, this demonstration at sea will include an 20 MJ rail gun (a choice will be made at Phase 1 INP between prototypes manufactured by BAE Systems and General Atomics), which will shoot single shots.

“In the center of the surface weapons systems of the Navy in Dahlgren, we shot hundreds of shells from the coastal installation,” he said. “The technology is quite mature at this level, so we want to take it out to sea, put it on the ship, conduct full-fledged tests, shoot a number of shells and study for the experience gained.

“Since the rail cannon will not be integrated with the Millinocket ship for demonstration on 2016, this ship will not undergo an extended modification to provide these capabilities,” noted Rear Admiral Fuller.

The entire electromagnetic rail gun consists of five parts: an accelerator, an energy storage and storage system, a pulse shaper, a high-speed projectile, and a swiveling cannon.

For the demonstration, the gun mount and the accelerator will be installed on the flight deck of the Millinocket, while the store, ammunition processing system and energy storage system consisting of several large batteries will be placed in the under deck areas, most likely in containers in the cargo compartments.

The US Navy intends to return to sea in the 2018 year in order to conduct firing in bursts of electromagnetic guns from the ship. Full integration with the ship can be carried out in the same 2018 year.

As part of a separate development, the US Navy Research Laboratory tested a new small-caliber rail gun (one inch in diameter) at the beginning of 2014. The first shot was taken 7 March 2014 of the year. Developed with the support of ONR, this small rail gun is an experimental system that, using advanced battery technology, produces several starts per minute from a mobile platform.


The US Navy plans to show the work of a rail gun at sea during tests on the Millinocket ship (JHSV 3) in 2016

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  1. Duke
    Duke 8 December 2014 07: 22
    +2
    The refinement to the mind can last a very long time.
    1. i80186
      i80186 8 December 2014 10: 41
      +12
      Yes, about lasers that shoot at ships - this is nonsense third-grader. The earth is a little round, and there will simply be no ship in direct line of sight.
      Actually, the height of the observer is the height of the laser, the range of the horizon is how far he can shoot theoretically.

      So 20-30 km, and that’s all, it is useless.
      Relstron is an even more epic prodigy, with superconductors and giant capacitors. The French still tried to use the first such thing in the 30s of the last century, like even fired.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 8 December 2014 11: 44
        +7
        Quote: i80186
        Yes, about lasers that shoot at ships - this is nonsense third-grader.


        Most likely they are not designed for firing at ships or coastal targets. As it seems to me, the laser has certain prospects as a means of the near air defense zone.
        1. washi
          washi 8 December 2014 13: 48
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          Quote: Bongo
           
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          try to shine a flashlight in the rain or fog.
          A flashlight is an analog of a laser.  







          chunga-changa
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          Today, 11: 55

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          Quote: Duke

          Quote: Bongo
          Quote: i80186
          Yes, about lasers that shoot at ships - this is nonsense third-grader.


          Most likely they are not designed for firing at ships or coastal targets. As it seems to me, the laser has certain prospects as a means of the near air defense zone.
        2. Aviaded
          Aviaded 8 December 2014 14: 19
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          It is doubtful that the enemy on the shore would be so amiable that he would expose himself to the public and under the laser beam. He would rather hide in the folds of the terrain. Where not to get it not only by the beam, but also by the onboard artillery (if the shells are uncontrollable, thanks to the relative persistence of its fire). This was guessed on the shore several centuries ago. The most striking illustration of this is the Dardanelles (Gallipoli) operation of the British fleet. When the Turkish batteries, hidden in the folds of the area, the proud Britons shook their tail and mane, who in their vessels tried to poke into the strait.
          Air defense? Maybe. And if there is fog or "heavy shower snow" with visibility of 200 meters? It seems that the laser will have problems hitting the target. Or is it envisaged to have a good old Phalanx on board the laser cannon? In case of bad weather?
        3. theadenter
          theadenter 8 December 2014 20: 29
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          I wonder how the laser will shoot down missiles that fly with torsion and maneuvering? After all, you need time for which a certain section of the rocket will warm up to a critical temperature. And if the rocket spins, the affected area is constantly changing and the temperature in the previous area drops.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 9 December 2014 05: 24
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            Quote: theadenter
            I wonder how the laser will shoot down missiles that fly with torsion and maneuvering? After all, you need time for which a certain section of the rocket will warm up to a critical temperature. And if the rocket spins, the affected area is constantly changing and the temperature in the previous area drops.


            It depends on the power of the laser, you can try to burn through the object by heating it for a long time, or you can generate a short-term powerful pulse. In this case, "impact explosive ionization" will take place on the surface of the object.
            1. theadenter
              theadenter 10 December 2014 05: 12
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              Another question is how to fit such a powerful laser on a ship or plane.
              1. timer
                timer 15 December 2014 21: 29
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                To make it powerful, you need a source of energy. Nowadays existing sources do not allow you to make a real laser weapon, as we see, for example, in science fiction films. We must direct the main effort to find a new cheap source of energy !! Then there will be a real technological revolution!
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      3. opus
        opus 8 December 2014 17: 41
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        Quote: i80186
        Yes, about lasers that shoot at ships - this is nonsense third-grader

        Air defense and missile defense ship

        Quote: i80186
        So 20-30 km, and that’s all, it is useless.

        the laser beam has an "instantaneous" delivery rate of the striking element to the target.
        Compare: 298 000 km / s and 2-3 km / s
        no comment

        Quote: i80186
        Relstron is an even more epic prodigy

        -Relsotron, unlike a laser, can hit targets along a ballistic (mounted) path
        - Currently, the prototype railguns are capable of throwing 23-kg shell with an initial speed of more 2200 m / s. This allows you to fire at a distance of about 160 kilometers (further to 354 kilometers). For comparison: Soviet-designed 100-mm artillery mount AK-100 fires 15 kg initial velocity projectile 880 m / s and has a maximum firing range of about 21 km.
        - there are no propellant charges and related systems for their storage and supply, the gun mount with a railgun will have less weight and dimensions. In addition, one sailor can serve her.
        - survivability of the "trunk" and survivability of the ship, the safety of sailors.
        -A projectile to a railgun costs about $ 25 thousand (taking into account the cost of barrel wear) - it is cheaper than missiles worth $ 500 thousand - $ 1,5 million
        Metal blanks at speeds of nine thousand kilometers per hour have Ek and Ep more than warhead missiles.
        - they will solve the problem of a “plasma piston”; they will receive a speed when exiting the barrel; it can be up to 13 – 15 km / s

        Well, NASA will use the railgun to launch spacecraft
        1. Voronbit
          Voronbit 8 December 2014 19: 10
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          in this picture, it seems to me that the railgun is used as a launching stage for ramjets
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 8 December 2014 11: 55
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      Quote: Duke
      The refinement to the mind can last a very long time.

      In general, it is written - "the operational deployment of weapons of directed energy in the world was first made." Those. refinement to the mind has already been made, ahead of the modernization and improvement of the characteristics of the existing working model of weapons. By the way, it’s really fundamentally new and unparalleled. What is good in this situation, the dead-end directions have already been explored and discarded, and if ours choose, then in 5-10 years the same result will be achieved. So far, we have not heard about the operational deployment of the sample, and yet the money is relatively small, and the lag is apparently also not strong, it definitely hit the USSR.
      1. tkhonov66
        tkhonov66 8 December 2014 14: 55
        +2
        Soviet hurt ...
        http://masterok.livejournal.com/856417.html
        http://warcyb.org.ru/news/zagadochnye_korabli_s_lazerom/2011-04-11-303
        http://gunm.ru/news/giperboloidy_gazproma/2012-04-11-994
        - And this was 30 (!) Years before the US "laser" Boeing ...
        http://topwar.ru/1108-a-60-lazernyj-mech-sssr-ili-za-30-let-do-lazernogo-boinga.
        html
        .
        And this is already the Russian "backlog" from Gazprom ...
        http://masterok.livejournal.com/1660016.html
        http://www.triniti.ru/Mltc50.html
        .
        Domestic railgun ...
        http://gunm.ru/news/giperboloidy_gazproma/2012-04-11-994
    3. ddd1975
      ddd1975 8 December 2014 15: 11
      +1
      it's like in Khoja Nasredin - until 2030-2035, or "the donkey dies or the padishah" - they stupidly swing the loot ...
  2. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 8 December 2014 07: 29
    +2
    Lasers are a very specific weapon, it’s not difficult to find protection for them, and it’s pointless to carry a mountain of equipment so that it can be useful. With guns, the idea is good, but they require tremendous energy. And these batteries .. laughter. There is a law of conservation of energy, and nothing can get around it. How much it is spent so much and is wasted. A gun is just an idea, no more. The advantages it has are global to give can not.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 8 December 2014 11: 56
      +8
      Obviously, such considerations are the basis of such commissions. as in pseudoscience. Americans may not achieve certain results in a particular project, but they will achieve significant results in supporting the thoughts of a scientist and inventor. A science school needs to be supported. The progressiveness of the fact that Americans put forward ideas and spend money in their implementation makes them pioneers of universal progress. Anyone who will not engage in such projects will lose the ability to progressive thinking and creativity. And this is very important.
  3. Semenov
    Semenov 8 December 2014 08: 15
    0
    Either they call lightning on the battlefield, or they invent a superfluid bomb, or they plant microbes to eat rubber - they print money themselves. Well pranksters!
  4. 70BSN
    70BSN 8 December 2014 08: 25
    0
    And maybe I will also release "Dzhidaev" there? laughing MOR-OBI-VAN-PECHI lol
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 8 December 2014 11: 58
      +5
      Sooner or later they will find what they are looking for. And with such an attitude, all the others will play with their "fart".
      1. Dimka off
        Dimka off 8 December 2014 12: 51
        0
        Ours also do not sit idly by. So let them seek what they seek. And then they get fucked up by what we found.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 8 December 2014 14: 25
          0
          Military Review, in my opinion, is turning into a site for comedians, skeptics and rampant optimists. It is a pleasure to read them. Laughing out loud!
          1. Bersaglieri
            Bersaglieri 10 December 2014 01: 50
            0
            Everything is simpler: again the invasion of "shkolota" in the topic.
  5. Venier
    Venier 8 December 2014 08: 29
    0
    All this weapons creativity, for a long time, will remain at the exotic level.
  6. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 8 December 2014 09: 10
    0
    The Americans are haunted by the laurels of weapons invented by them for Star Wars.
    But they can also play out to real prototypes. In short, they don’t get bored.
  7. SamSeBse
    SamSeBse 8 December 2014 09: 19
    +1
    Dough of a stranger is immeasurably here and rage with fat. We must pay tribute to them all over the world and immediately go to the bows with arrows. laughing
  8. D-Master
    D-Master 8 December 2014 10: 31
    +9
    All this, of course, somewhere causes a smile, if not one but ... In the process of research, a breakthrough of information is worked out and a trial vector is groped for the right vector, which then creates a breakthrough in technology. An example of this is the creation of a touchscreen at the beginning of the 90's by the Japanese. Bill Gates statement in the 1994 year that the future of the tablets caused only smiles and smiles. And the present is filled with gadgets with touch screens, already perceived as given.
    As I understand it, the limitation of lasers and railguns now is the lack of efficient energy storage devices that allow it to accumulate in sufficient quantities and quickly give it away in the required momentum. If this problem is solved (of which I have no doubt) the appearance of a pulse weapon (laser or railgun) will be a matter of time. A laser can be very effective as a short-range air defense system or as protection against mines and shells. (IMHO of course)
    1. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 8 December 2014 11: 13
      +9
      To you +. I do not understand people who do not believe in science. Who 30 years ago could believe in a camera without a film. and a phone with a camcorder ?. Nothing is possible. And science in the United States is moving at a tremendous pace. Already a supercomputer is collected for 1 exaflops.
      1. LvKiller
        LvKiller 8 December 2014 13: 08
        -1
        Study the design of the rail gun in the picture in the article ... Remember, just in case, that there is practically no zero excitement in real life ... And what is the bottom line? Who and, most importantly, how will aim from this thing? And will it hit the target?
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 11 December 2014 16: 20
          0
          the same gyroscopes and camputeri - my answer to you ...
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 8 December 2014 12: 03
      -2
      There is no doubt that they will solve these problems, because the issues and solutions to the problems of increasing the energy density are already in development and the results of an obvious breakthrough are already there. I will say more that not the laser pulsed "beam" itself will be the object of energy transfer, but the methodology of transferring the changed density of the medium over a distance. Tesla spoke about this. A justification has been found for this. It does not require a huge investment of funds, but! it requires understanding and development.
    3. adept666
      adept666 12 December 2014 09: 56
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      the limitation of lasers and railguns now is the lack of efficient energy storage


      About the laser. There are several key problems at once: 1: lack of necessary energy; 2: Low efficiency of the laser itself; 3: power limitation (the laser is focused by optics, which simply cannot withstand at high energies); 4: too much dependence on "medium transparency" 5: low reliability. 6: low rate of fire (stemming from previous problems and partly for physical reasons) Not one of these key problems in more than 40 years of active laser research has yet to be resolved. But for the successful use of a laser in a combat version, it is necessary to solve at least 2 and at least not significantly improve 4 others. Therefore, a laser is of course beautiful and tempting, but so far in practice, except for experimentally putting it on an airplane, on a ship, on a landing gear, this is all pure profanation. It was all in our country, and now the topic has again been dug up in dusty archives: A-60, "Compression", was installed on the chassis (carried out the defeat of an unmanned patrolling target), on the ship the complex "Aquilon" (the latter were even shot in 84 year on a low-flying rocket, which even seemed to be destroyed). The topic is alive, but alas, there are few prospects there.
  9. Vitaminchik05
    Vitaminchik05 8 December 2014 11: 09
    +1
    In my understanding, a laser is useful only as an air defense system (firing on other ships or ground objects is not the same power and depends heavily on environmental conditions, especially over long distances).
    But the rail gun - if it can be brought to mind - is a serious weapon (hit by a blank in any object at a speed of several kilometers per second leads to the conversion of kinetic energy into heat - that is, it will be a VERY non-frail explosion). And intercepting a projectile is currently impossible. While there are difficulties with energy sources (tens of MJ must be given to the projectile in thousandths of a second), there are even greater difficulties with the resource of the barrel of the gun (usually withstands several shots - then a complete replacement is not cheap at all). And oddly enough, the problems of exploitation in the sea / ocean - salt and moisture (in practice, sharply reduced the resource of the trunk, and so is not large).
    1. qarzu
      qarzu 8 December 2014 11: 35
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      I agree with you that the laser only uses air defense, it doesn’t have a ballistic trajectory maximum for battle in the field of vision, but it definitely won’t be in the future, and the rail gun is a very promising thing if they use control supplies, it’s a very long arm, but I can only see such a gun on nuclear ships
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 8 December 2014 12: 08
      +2
      Why is it generally believed that a laser is only a destruction tool or a corny method of creating an ultrahigh potential difference at the object of contact and an energetically concentrated plasma beam — a certain level of energy. It may well be an impulse of information of a certain capacity.
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  11. Performance
    Performance 8 December 2014 11: 43
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    The budget is not very large, by the way, for those who say that they have nowhere to put money - despite the fact that there are experimental developments. In principle, they move science very seriously. But in military use, there remains an unclear feeling that all these things are good for shooting an unrequited enemy who does not even have the right to think about resistance. All the same strategy - shooting Aborigines from a safe distance, and if you think about resisting - sanctions ...
  12. zero12005
    zero12005 8 December 2014 11: 51
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    Quote: i80186
    So 20-30 km, and that’s all, it is useless.
    Relstron is an even more epic prodigy, with superconductors and giant capacitors. The French still tried to use the first such thing in the 30s of the last century, like even fired.

    The hyperboloid of engineer Garin, but what actually turns out? What do we have? In the 70s, they told me that in the events of the spring of 1969, a Soviet combat laser was tested on the Chinese border, does anyone know?
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 10 December 2014 01: 53
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      This is a bike. For the first time, the "Grad" was massively used at Damanskoye, that's all.
    2. adept666
      adept666 12 December 2014 10: 06
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      The hyperboloid of engineer Garin, but what actually turns out? What do we have?


      With us, what the Americans are showing now was shown in 70-85 years. From recent history there is an A-60 that has risen from the ashes of oblivion with new energy and a laser system. From what is officially known so far.

      1969, a Soviet combat laser was tested on the Chinese border, does anyone know?


      The bike and nothing more, the child prodigy there was Grad ...
  13. 3vs
    3vs 8 December 2014 11: 51
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    With the laser, it seems to me, a matter of the future, but the railgun is already something.
    Ours would think about it, probably thought about it, but we don’t hear about it.
    It would be nice to launch cruise and anti-aircraft missiles from ships with a railgun,
    flying at tremendous speed for many kilometers they turn on their engines
    for maneuvering on a flight approaching the target, it would be great!
    Or the same ballistic missile spit out by electromagnetic pulse into the stratosphere,
    where she will turn on her engines ...
    1. Alcoholic
      Alcoholic 8 December 2014 12: 11
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      Railgun ....
      Yes, we have it.
      If not stolen in twenty years.
      I saw it with my own eyes.
      And launches.
      I don’t think that pi ... n ... ds are so great.
      Their next mess.
      1. abundant
        abundant 8 December 2014 17: 49
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        I hope at that moment you beat sober, UTB ... and starts from a railgun UTB how?
        1. Alcoholic
          Alcoholic 8 December 2014 21: 29
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          Sober :)
          Yes and now.
          How?
          Very simple blank, cotton and native flew away.
          Or 50 km, or maybe more.
          We were then not told how much.
          Prapora, who was in the service staff, spoke among themselves.
          Yes, officers were sometimes thanked for firing.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 December 2014 13: 19
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      Quite the contrary: the combat laser is already in service
      Fleet (a ship patrolling the Persian Gulf)
      but the railgun is still in development.
      1. Alcoholic
        Alcoholic 8 December 2014 15: 30
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        Uncle, you suggest me not to believe your eyes or hands?
        Or forget how the cables were unwound before the installation of the flock?
        Once again I say: a ship in the Persian Gulf, which is in the bath.
        Any sredneobrazovanny, close to technology man (not us .. p..any kulibin), will say that this is another mess.
        Wash money and dust in the eyes.
        And don’t talk nonsense.
        Look through the literature .... The same development was 15-17 years ago and nothing has changed.
        And that means it will not change.
        I'm not talking about the other aspects.
        The same combat use in northern seas or low-flying targets.
        Sorry uncle for harshness.
        I used to adykatno evaluate such kulibins. wassat
  14. Vitaminchik05
    Vitaminchik05 8 December 2014 12: 01
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    Starting a railgun of something other than a blank is currently IMPOSSIBLE. In addition to overload (tens of thousands of G), a strong magnetic field and very significant currents act on the disc. No electronics will simply survive this ...
  15. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 8 December 2014 12: 04
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    Voodoo ravings from Americans :)
    Type F-35, F-117 .... abrams or any shnyaga.
    Ugh :)
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 8 December 2014 12: 12
      +1
      Judging by the finely expressed signs of the author’s identity, it remains to ask a question. And what you, unique, in general attracted to this topic? Nothing personal . Just an attempt to understand the essence of the contradictions.
      1. Alcoholic
        Alcoholic 8 December 2014 15: 53
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        ))))) Judging by the finely expressed investigations and idiotic questions, I’ll answer: to ask.
        Especially for those who are not ashamed to fast under a kind of flag.
        Like this is the background for the "fork"?
        And if so, can I ask a couple of questions?
  16. 555somebody555
    555somebody555 8 December 2014 13: 07
    +1
    With our saws, you don’t even need to develop anything like this. Enough of one nanotechnologist. Laser weapons are promising in space, well, and nightmare third world countries. EM weapons are a matter of the future, but it is better to have a working prototype than to catch up with a technological breakthrough.
  17. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 December 2014 13: 17
    +1
    Half a year ago, the laser was mounted on a helicopter carrier,
    who is serving now in the Persian Gulf.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 10 December 2014 01: 57
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      50 kW-nickname, EMNIP. In case of "zodiac" with fedayeen to burn.
  18. Bormental
    Bormental 8 December 2014 13: 19
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    Beautifully saw the loot, the dwellers.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 10 December 2014 02: 02
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      As stated above, there are working prototypes here. So, I drank with beauty in "how many" or in "Rosnana" - not to be compared: not only prototypes, even technical documentation "will not give birth" :)
  19. cergey51046
    cergey51046 8 December 2014 13: 21
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    What about vertical launch torpedoes? What can the laser oppose? And in inclement weather?
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 10 December 2014 02: 04
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      The "vertical launch torpedo" can only be opposed by a "spherical submarine in a vacuum" :)

      What did you mean?
  20. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 8 December 2014 13: 59
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    Mirror warheads with maneuvering engines and rotation around the axis to attenuate the energy flow reflected in infrared, ultra and visible spectra and lasers can sleep peacefully. You can also play with the railgun, high-speed boats with a speed of 60 knots and powerful missile weapons. even 10 km / s at a distance of 30 km and further, when performing the anti-artillery maneuver, getting into this boat from a cannon or railgun is likely to approach zero. Only homing shells, but also with them, are in zmozhnost fight even at our level tehnologii.Ved Now neither will fall within the line of sight. It is like death.
  21. RomanN
    RomanN 8 December 2014 14: 13
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    A few years ago they showed and talked about an electromagnetic gun of Russian design on television, the plot was short and not very informative. Unlike amers, our em-pulse for a shot was received from a shot of a charge of explosives, as it converted the energy of a shot into an em pulse. The gun was quite compact.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 10 December 2014 01: 59
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      This was not a railgun, but an electrothermalchemical gun.
  22. CTABEP
    CTABEP 8 December 2014 19: 20
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    Generally interesting thing, especially for ships with YaSu. Yet 100 years ago, and rockets were toys, progress does not stand still.
  23. Semenov
    Semenov 9 December 2014 06: 53
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    Mig - AKS - a two-stage aerospace aircraft. Runway - electromagnetic, 4 km long. Starting weight - 420 tons. Speed ​​- from 5M and higher. If you charge a blank instead of an airplane, that’s almost five hundred tons of TNT in the right place.
  24. albanian
    albanian 9 December 2014 13: 46
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    In general, you need to fight with lasers knowing what this laser will be, then you can develop specials. coatings that will allow combat units to overcome the laser air defense zone, this is the most obvious option, it may make sense to pre-spray the site, which of course will not affect the cost of the weapons complex in the best way, but tea lasers are not free, and then standard sword confrontation and shield ...
    Here, a fast-firing railgun with controlled blanks already looks less like dough, but controllability of blanks will not go unnoticed by electronic warfare, and uncontrolled firing further 50-100 km can already be more expensive than missile weapons, depending on which rate of fire has been reached.
    On the other hand, there is still practically free money, why not invest it in scientific potential (there is corruption everywhere, but some of the funds will fall to the goal), besides, breakthroughs in applied fields do not last long in the developer's country alone)
  25. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 9 December 2014 22: 28
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    On TV they showed our relsotron flashing armor with a plastic stopper f30mm.