Samara peacekeeping brigade received communication systems 6-th generation P-187П1 "Excitement"

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The assistant to the commander of the troops of the Central Military District, Colonel Yaroslav Roshchupkin, said that the peacekeeping team of the Central Military District received new communications complexes. Colonel Roshchupkina quotes RIA News:

The party of the sixth generation radio station P-187P1 "Azart" has arrived in the peacekeeping compound of the Central Military District, stationed in the Samara Region.

Samara peacekeeping brigade received communication systems 6-th generation P-187П1 "Excitement"


Now in the peacekeeping brigade there are hundreds of such complexes, which have significant advantages compared with the means of communication of previous generations. At the same time, “Azart” is compatible with previous generations of communication systems. Its software allows you to work on any band of radio frequencies, as well as switch to the mode of reception and transmission of information in cellular networks. Charging the battery of the “Azart” is enough for a period of up to 12 hours (depending on the mode of use).

The new communication system allows you to determine the coordinates in the GLONASS / GPS modes with an accuracy of 25 meters in latitude and longitude and with an accuracy of 40 meters in height.

The system allows the reception and transmission of not only audio messages, but also files, maps, materials, converted into a special program code. The data transfer rate is about 7,2 kbps. The signal range is about 4 km. “Azart” is equipped with its own memory of about 0,5 GB. It is possible to transfer data via Bluetooth and infrared. The interface can be used as a USB or RS-485 port. The Ministry of Defense previously called the cost of such a complex: about 260 thousand rubles. Critics of the communication system call the price too high, and the data transfer rate is low.
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    1. +3
      6 December 2014 08: 48
      Hope the antenna shown in the photo is flexible.
      1. +2
        6 December 2014 08: 50
        Quote: aszzz888
        Hope the antenna shown in the photo is flexible.

        this is plastic, inside a piece of coaxial cable
        1. +1
          6 December 2014 09: 05
          The length of the antenna (for efficient operation) depends on the frequency range, "Excitement" captures a meter section (from ~ 9 meters and above)
        2. +1
          6 December 2014 09: 34
          In any case, this is better than what it was before.
          1. +2
            6 December 2014 10: 14
            That is yes. In 2000, at the combat exit, I had a P-105. A heavy dog)), although they say that it withstands from being hit by a makarych and from fragments.
            I remember one local peasant came up and said: "I served, they say, at the end of the 60s in the suburbs, so then we were given such radio stations to the unit and they were considered new portable. I did not think that they are still in use ...".
            Something like that)
            1. +4
              6 December 2014 12: 12
              You had a R-107 - outwardly a copy of the R-105, but with a new element base and therefore with the same dimensions - it is lighter, more powerful and more sensitive, more economical, and the power is still the same 2NKP20 laughing
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        4. Pervusha Isaev
          0
          6 December 2014 10: 38
          Quote: saag
          Quote: aszzz888
          Hope the antenna shown in the photo is flexible.

          this is plastic, inside a piece of coaxial cable


          Can an antenna be made of coaxial cable? An antenna is a closed or open circuit whose geometrical dimensions are designed for the wavelength of the transmitter. If this receiver is designed for a GLONASS frequency of 1600 MHz, then a short wire is enough to receive, which we see with modern cell phones that have no antennas at all. In the same case, the length the antennas are selected in accordance with the transmitter resistance and its geometry - the length is necessary for the sensitivity of the device at the glonass frequency ...
          1. +2
            6 December 2014 12: 20
            Learn to read !!! wink
            "Its software allows you to work on any radio frequency band, as well as switch to receive and transmit information in cellular networks."
            And this means that inside this "trunk" of coaxial at least 3 antennas are wound for different ranges and there is an electronic HF antenna switch !!

            PS
            The device is very complicated and expensive for mass production for the needs of the Armed Forces, with low power output for a level higher than the squad-platoon.
            BUT for peacekeepers who need coordination and communication with foreign units (which usually have different ranges of radio facilities) and civilian public networks - this is ESSENTIAL! hi
            1. nordbird
              0
              6 December 2014 13: 24
              100% support! This is the so-called SDR-software-defined radio, if close-in Russian is a software-configurable radio station. A wide range can work in several modes simultaneously. The price for such features is quite adequate. Given the fact that not open encryption of the communication channel is probably carried out.
              I'm not sure, but it looks like the creators were "inspired" by a Western machine from THALES-AN / PRC-148 or from HARRIS FALCON III (AN / PRC-152). The development of such a device is a breakthrough, as far as I know - the Chinese are not yet able to do this ...
            2. 0
              6 December 2014 13: 24
              Quote: Protos
              The device is too complicated and expensive for mass production.

              a frequency synthesizer is a long-mastered topic, if it is considered to be extremely complicated in the Russian Federation, well, what can you do now :-)
              1. nordbird
                0
                6 December 2014 13: 35
                And where does the frequency synthesizer? And in what capacity did you master it?
      2. +2
        6 December 2014 08: 54
        Quote: aszzz888
        Hope the antenna shown in the photo is flexible.

        And you can even shoot from it ..)))) (just kidding) In general, a good and most importantly reliable communication is 90% success in hostilities ..! I hope this system is quickly mastered in the troops and will be applied effectively in exercises (and there it will turn out ...)
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      4. +1
        6 December 2014 10: 02
        something expensive - a man on a hunt with a kenvod with zhps and maps and a transmission and range of 7 km cost Pribluda 2800 amer rubles and then somehow somehow
        1. 0
          6 December 2014 11: 42
          Do not forget about the degree of security (and this is a lot of money), work with cellular networks.
          In general, our fellows, went along the path of China (not in terms of licking, but in terms of all in one) - I'm talking about the fact that while brands were pushing with their smartphones with certain functionality, the Chinese managed to "shove" into their equipment, which is possible: several sim cards, teveler and the rest of the garbage. Wasn't there a bottle opener and a lighter?
          And it is clear that the station is made with high quality, in contrast to the "yellow-faced brands". Although a double-edged sword. My friend has a "quality parody" of Samsung Galaxy 3 for the third year already ...
      5. +1
        6 December 2014 12: 05
        The price is clearly not adequate, a quarter of a million, the price is too high. For the rest, it is indeed a certain kind of breakthrough, especially when you see heavy radio sets from the 50s behind the backs of our soldiers. But still, the GPS radios of our "partners", even in the Chechen one, had a much smaller antenna.
        1. +1
          6 December 2014 12: 32
          Yes, this is not an army station, they said FOR PEACEKEEPERS !! READ CAREFULLY!! wink

          And the R-107, R-106 have been giving out a long time ago to oak and crooked motorized infantry, tk. R-163-1U "Crossbow" it is a pity to give them out, it's like giving a monkey a Smartphone (or they will break the thread or break it)! laughing
          1. s1н7т
            0
            6 December 2014 16: 39
            Hmm! A crossbow is such a crap that clings to the collar, and instead of a microphone - a "ticker"? laughing We have used them in the troops since the second half of the 2s. There was a minus - as you sweat, the suction cup with a microphone peels off your cheek.
      6. -1
        6 December 2014 12: 47
        I hope these systems go to the furnace. For a simple Chinese mobile is much better, but costs a dozen orders of magnitude cheaper. See my post below. This is a clean cut military order.
        1. +1
          6 December 2014 17: 48
          I looked at your posts at the bottom, I saw nothing. About the GPS \ GLONAS accuracy indicated by you, they won’t work with such accuracy on the territory of Russia anyway, since the ground-based GPS stations have been turned off. The accuracy of determining the coordinates indicated in the article is minimally guaranteed, under the worst conditions (it is so customary for us to specify the parameters of military equipment), and I am sure that he will determine these coordinates better than the Chinese. And you forgot that this is primarily a radio station, with encryption and even multi-frequency, and then GPS.
    2. +1
      6 December 2014 08: 49
      "... Critics of the communications system call the price too high and the data rate low."

      You can’t argue with critics :-)
      1. +1
        6 December 2014 13: 49
        Did the critics compare these parameters in terms of interference resistance? Perhaps the data is given in the value "not less". Although, here I want to hope.
    3. +3
      6 December 2014 08: 50
      The cost is high. Because the issue is not mass. And the data transfer rate is really low. It is clear that the parameters are secret. But what is allowed is not impressive, either in range or in data exchange speed. It looks like the development is old. This is just the trouble. While they are developing, while they are testing, while they are being adopted, while the release is adjusted, the system is hopelessly out of date. It's a pity. Communication in war is half the battle.
      1. +1
        6 December 2014 08: 56
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        The cost is high. Because the issue is not mass. And the data transfer rate is really low. It is clear that the parameters are secret. But what is allowed is not impressive, either in range or in data exchange speed. It looks like the development is old. This is just the trouble. While they are developing, while they are testing, while they are being adopted, while the release is adjusted, the system is hopelessly out of date. It's a pity. Communication in war is half the battle.

        I agree with you that the equipment is not of the highest class, but not "Kenwood" or "Motorola", but its own.
      2. +5
        6 December 2014 09: 04
        This is not Wi-Fi. This is a simple HF / VHF (23-220 / 220-520MHz), and even with encryption. Where will the high data transfer rate come from at such frequencies? And why is more than 4km necessary for a tactical link? smile
        A link is a permanent formation, the primary and smallest tactical unit in the armed forces of some states, consisting of two to 7 units depending on the type of troops (forces) of the type of armed forces.(C)
        1. +1
          6 December 2014 09: 43
          Well, in the same place it says ".. and also switch to the mode of receiving and transmitting information in cellular networks.", So it can work at 900 MHz, but here you can drive the data at higher speeds, it's another matter that they could not implement the chips needed no
          1. +1
            6 December 2014 10: 30
            Communication has always been a bottleneck in our army, but now the situation is improving.
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          3. 0
            6 December 2014 11: 34
            Quote: saag
            Well, in the same place it says ".. and also switch to the mode of receiving and transmitting information in cellular networks.", So it can work at 900 MHz, but here you can drive the data at higher speeds, it's another matter that they could not implement the chips needed no

            Well no, basic GSM is 14,4 kbps. Initially, there was 9,6 kbit / s. Such are the things.
            1. 0
              6 December 2014 13: 22
              Quote: i80186
              Well no, basic GSM is 14,4 kbps. Initially, there was 9,6 kbit / s. Such are the things.

              Well, EDGE at the same frequency and more can be driven, again not implemented, no chips needed
              1. 0
                6 December 2014 14: 30
                Quote: saag
                Well, EDGE at the same frequency and more can be driven, again not implemented, no chips needed

                At leisure, read this in general.
                http://topwar.ru/34996-organizaciya-svyazi-v-brigadah-suhoputnyh-voysk-ssha.html


                They have yes there, a lot more, already 16 kbit / s, apparently there are no chips either. laughing
        2. 0
          6 December 2014 10: 00
          The communication range also depends on the range and it’s not entirely clear what these 4km in VHF voice range means maybe a little more.
          1. s1н7т
            0
            6 December 2014 16: 48
            Quote: BARKAS
            The communication range also depends on the range and it’s not entirely clear what these 4km in VHF voice range means maybe a little more.

            Voice range? laughing For this, the necessary means of communication are needed so as not to yell for a half km. a neighboring group that the enemy is directly below them, and calmly communicate this directly to the commander’s ear laughing But for 1/4 million. - More like a familiar rap.
    4. ICT
      +1
      6 December 2014 08: 51
      Quote: aszzz888
      shown in the photo, flexible.
      1. ICT
        +8
        6 December 2014 08: 56
        look to the end lol
        1. 0
          6 December 2014 12: 09
          Familiar antistatic tables for assembling electronics, our neighbors do them. And they don’t sit, there’s a lot of work
    5. 0
      6 December 2014 08: 53
      It is at least somehow protected from electronic warfare, or again ... wassat
    6. 0
      6 December 2014 08: 54
      Nifiga yourself a walkie-talkie !!! Just the first time I see such dimensions of the antenna on a walkie-talkie. Or is there a built-in shotgun?)))
      1. SAG
        +1
        6 December 2014 09: 13
        Turn on the fantasy. In our army, the MPL is also used as a propellant, and this antenna is useful as a club ... melee weapons! lol
    7. 0
      6 December 2014 09: 18
      for those who remember --- 3 connection status - 1 connection is
      No 2 connection
      3- there is a connection but not now
    8. -2
      6 December 2014 09: 21
      Well, now, first of all, the "fathers-commanders" will grab them, there will be sketches everywhere with them, until they play enough and "kill" after that they will start scattering the "killed" around the services
    9. -1
      6 December 2014 09: 53
      not a "fountain" ..
      1. 0
        6 December 2014 10: 18
        Is the R-159 cooler with the "historian"?
        1. 0
          6 December 2014 15: 11
          Why, since 2005, RTS warehouses have been holding "aqueducts" in all modifications, according to performance characteristics, they are not worse than "Azarts", which are more expensive than foreign "Falcons".
          1. 0
            6 December 2014 17: 31
            Here I do not know. We have 159 with the "historian" was practically the standard. Only the RR had newer devices.
        2. s1н7т
          0
          6 December 2014 17: 02
          But here about 4 km. we are talking. And at 4 km. Do you need a "historian"?
          1. 0
            6 December 2014 17: 32
            Personally, I think that all communication should be closed.
    10. 0
      6 December 2014 09: 54
      Serdyukov held in his hands, then half wooden ... laughing
    11. 0
      6 December 2014 10: 04
      antenna-SUPER, and where to wear it?
    12. +1
      6 December 2014 10: 08
      You can go fishing with such an antenna, you just have to fix the coil))) But seriously, I myself had to do with military communications and had to travel to radio factories on business trips in the Serdyukov period. The factories at that time had grim prospects in connection with the reforms. I hope now everything has changed dramatically. And then, according to my observations, there were not enough young personnel who would breathe new life into enterprises.
    13. +2
      6 December 2014 10: 11
      With such an antenna, it was possible to build a greater range, at least on some ranges, the transmission speed in general ... is twenty years behind. Yes, and 12 hours is very happy. It should be a shame to report such a product at all.
    14. NBN
      0
      6 December 2014 12: 05
      "The cost of such a complex: about 260 thousand rubles" - what is this for one radio station ?! For myself, I bought Yoshu VX-6, three-band, captures the ranges indicated in the article. With headphones, 3 antennas, case 12 sput. Well, let it take into account inflation 20! Housing, dust, moisture, interference protection, plus encryption - well, another fifty dollars. Where did you go 200 sput? The long antenna does not scare, this is just normal for the lower range, but the price that each of us must pay as a taxpayer is horror.
      1. 0
        6 December 2014 13: 27
        Quote: NBN
        Where are 200 sput delivered?

        probably rollback
    15. 0
      6 December 2014 12: 22
      far from p105 gone
    16. -1
      6 December 2014 12: 35
      The new communication system allows you to determine the coordinates in the GLONASS / GPS modes with an accuracy of 25 meters
      --
      !!!!!! In 2003, I wrote software for GPS receivers for truckers (write down their route and show on the map where they are now and where they were, such as tracking for their superiors). Even then, jammed for civilian GPS showed accuracy of 5-7 meters (the military had an accuracy of 1-2 meters) with 7 satellites. NEW system with an accuracy of 25 meters ?????????????????
      PS Now I have a regular mobile gives accuracy (plus or minus) 2 meters. The new system, your etit ...
      1. nordbird
        +2
        6 December 2014 13: 03
        Lying is Sin! The accuracy of 1 meter in GPS is given ONLY by the geodetic class system, the time for determining the primary coordinate (topographic location) from 10 minutes, the cost from 300000 rubles. The writer is fantastic!
        1. -2
          6 December 2014 13: 18
          Drop the coordinates in PM. I will not give 1 meter, but 2 meters is also not bad. Do you pay 300000 for the device? I will give it to you for 10000. Divide 290000.
          1. nordbird
            +1
            6 December 2014 13: 29
            I do not believe!!! If only because I work with such devices. And for "sobering up" follow the link, see how much a middle-class device costs.
            http://www.aspector.ru/index.php?categoryID=251
          2. nordbird
            +1
            6 December 2014 13: 29
            I do not believe!!! If only because I work with such devices. And for "sobering up" follow the link, see how much a middle-class device costs.
            http://www.aspector.ru/index.php?categoryID=251
            1. -1
              6 December 2014 13: 38
              I’m not going to prove anything to you. Stay with your opinion. And I don’t need to follow the links, I was well trained at the institute. Write in a personal.
        2. 0
          6 December 2014 13: 35
          Quote: Nordbird
          The accuracy of 1 meter in GPS is given ONLY by the geodetic class system, the time for determining the primary coordinate (topographic location) from 10 minutes, the cost from 300000 rubles. The writer is fantastic!

          Take a look at this "fantasy" http://habrahabr.ru/post/244475/ here they get centimeter accuracy
          1. -1
            6 December 2014 13: 42
            If he pays 300000, it’s a sin not to admonish =)
            1. -1
              6 December 2014 13: 54
              Quote: Andrey77
              If he pays 300000, it’s a sin not to admonish =)

              Yes, as they say "any whim for your money" :-)
          2. nordbird
            +1
            6 December 2014 13: 44
            An entertaining masturbation, that’s what it is, but maybe it will suit someone. Now pack your stray into acceptable dimensions, ensure reliability in the field, etc. etc. And also think that according to the data obtained by similar masturbation, heavy art systems will shoot. Take responsibility?
            1. -1
              6 December 2014 13: 55
              This "pribluda" in the army is called "mobile". An ordinary cell phone. Even if it does not catch the signal of the operator's base station, it catches satellites perfectly. This time.
              Heavy artillery systems operate as directed by the NP, an observation post. Direct fire they do not shoot. These are two.
              Will I take responsibility? I'll take it. In addition to binoculars and any connection (wired, radio, cell phones) with the OP (firing positions) I do not need anything. These are three.
            2. 0
              6 December 2014 13: 56
              Quote: Nordbird
              Now pack your stray into acceptable dimensions

              but why strain so, this software even for android is, everything is already packed
      2. -1
        6 December 2014 13: 30
        Quote: Andrey77
        In 2003, I wrote software for GPS receivers for truckers (write down their route and show on the map where they are now and where they were, such as tracking for their superiors). Even then, jammed for civilian GPS showed accuracy of 5-7 meters (the military had an accuracy of 1-2 meters) with 7 satellites. NEW system with an accuracy of 25 meters ?????????????????
        PS Now I have a regular mobile gives accuracy (plus or minus) 2 meters. The new system, your etit ...

        And with the help of the RTKLIB, RTKGPS + libraries, centimeter accuracy can be achieved on ordinary civilian devices
        1. -1
          6 December 2014 13: 33
          We know. drinks But 2 meters is easy.
          1. +1
            6 December 2014 17: 05
            Quote: Andrey77
            We know. drinks But 2 meters is easy.

            Nothing that ground-based GPS stations in Russia have been turned off? A couple of meters, of course it is, but centimeters are gone. laughing
            Again, more satellites, more accuracy, it seems that the GLONASS grouping has slightly increased in three years, probably not 25m yet? Although 2012 was not like 25m. Again, the wording "no more" 25/25 / 40m, probably in all conditions of using crap? How is your phone to "jammers" and frost -40? In general, programmers are such programmers. laughing
    17. -1
      6 December 2014 15: 06
      yes ... there remains a fishing line with a hook and ...
      it’s necessary to bungle such a thing ...
    18. +1
      6 December 2014 16: 19
      As they say, better late, but his)))
    19. 0
      6 December 2014 19: 44
      So:
      The first is an antenna folded together three gutter-shaped ribbons (like roulette), neatly crimped by a heat-shrinkable sheath. It turned out better than our colleagues. But this is a matter of time.

      Second, it is premature and inappropriate to talk about the "complex". So far, only a portable wearable station has emerged from the whole "Azart". We are doing better here. The second year of serial production of a real complex, to put it mildly - "for the advanced". The time for the story will come.

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