PBRK Bastion and its main weapon - PKR "Onyx"

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In the 80 of the last century in the USSR, the development of a new complex of coastal defense based on promising anti-ship missiles at the time began to replace the Redut and Rubezh complexes. The new mobile coastal missile system (PBRK) was named the Bastion. In view of the collapse of the USSR, it was possible to bring the development of the complex to an end only in recent years. After the launch of the production of this complex, Russia has become a leader in the market for the production of coastal anti-ship complexes and will apparently retain this leadership for the coming decades.

The Bastion PBRK was developed by the NPO Mashinostroyenia based on the latest supersonic anti-ship missile 3М55 Onyx (the export name Yakhont, according to NATO classification SS-N-26 Strobile) with a range of up to 300 km. The complex "Bastion" is offered in two versions of the mobile "Bastion-P" and stationary "Bastion-S". The mobile complex includes 4 mobile launchers on the MZKT-7930 chassis (2 missiles on PU), a control vehicle, transport-charging machines, and can additionally use targeting machines with the Monolit-B RLK.

In 2006, a contract was signed for the supply of one Bastion-P complex to Vietnam (the cost of 150 million dollars) and two complexes to Syria. The Vietnamese contract is fulfilled today. In fact, it was possible to pay the final part of the R & D with the money from this contract. The second export customer was Syria, which signed a contract for the supply of two complexes in 2007. The widest demand for these complexes is expected in the region of Southeast Asia. At present, the states of this region have begun to substantially increase their fleets. In this case, the Russian PBRK intended for the destruction of surface ships of various classes and types, both as part of the formations and as single targets, will be in high demand. Currently, Vietnam has already begun negotiations on the further supply of these complexes.
PBRK Bastion and its main weapon - PKR "Onyx"

In 2008, the Ministry of Defense of Russia issued a contract for the supply of mechanical engineering to 3 Bastion-P 3K55 complexes to equip the 11th separate rocket and artillery brigade of the Black Sea fleetstationed near Anapa. The last FGP was handed over to the team earlier this year. All three PBCs are consolidated into a separate division.

Bastion-P

The Bastion mobile coastal missile system (PBRK) armed with a unified supersonic Onyx anti-ship missile is designed to destroy surface ships of all classes and types from ship and aircraft carrier strike groups, airborne formations, convoys, as well as individual single ships and ground radio contrast targets in the conditions of intensive radio-electronic and fire counteraction of the enemy. This complex is able to protect the coastline over a length of more than 600 km from possible landing operations of the enemy.

The time from receipt of the order on the march to full deployment in combat positions is 5 minutes, after which the complex is fully ready for firing. The position of the complex can be removed from the coastline at 200 kilometers. After its deployment, PBKP can remain fully operational for 3-5 days, depending on the available fuel reserves.

The composition of PBRK "Bastion" includes:

- Self-propelled PU K-340P based on the MZKT-7930 "Astrologer" (crew - 3 person);
- Onyx anti-ship missiles in transport and launch containers;
- Combat control vehicle K-380Р based on KAMAZ-43101 (crew - human 4);
- Automated system of combat control of the complex;
- Equipment information and technical interface of combat equipment of the complex with the head command post;
- A set of maintenance tools.

In addition to PBRK "Bastion" can be supplied:

- Transport-charging machines K-342Р;
- Machines ensure combat duty;
- Training facilities;
- Helicopter target designation.

The self-propelled PU K-340P was created on the basis of the four-axis chassis MZKT-7930 "Astrologer" and is capable of speeding up to 70 km / h on the highway. The power reserve is up to 1000 km. The total mass of the launcher with 2-i equipped transport and launch containers, filled with tanks and a crew of three people is 41 ton. The commander of the car, the start-up operator and the driver are placed in the cabin of the installation, equipped with air conditioning. To prepare missiles for launch, transport and launch containers are moved to a vertical state. The launch interval for salvo firing from one launcher ranges from 2 to 5 seconds.

The combat command vehicle of the K380P complex is manufactured on the basis of the KAMAZ-43101 or MZKT-65273 three-axle chassis. All the necessary equipment is mounted in the ISO-1C container, the total weight of the vehicle with fuel and fuel is 25 tons, the deployment time to the combat state is 3-4 minutes.

The transport-charging machine K342P is made on the same chassis as the PU. The calculation of its 2 person, on the machine are located 2 transport-launch container with missiles, as well as a crane with a lifting capacity of 5,9 tons, which is used to reload the launcher and load missiles.

Anti-ship missile (ASM) "Onyx" is placed in a special sealed transport and launch container. In it, the rocket, being fully ready for combat use, leaves the manufacturer, stored, transported and fed to the PU. The technical condition of the rocket and its systems can be monitored without being removed from the container through a specially provided onboard connector. The transport and launch container is quite unpretentious in operation, does not require the supply of gas and liquid, does not impose additional requirements on the microclimate on the media and in storage areas. All this not only simplifies the operation of the rocket, but also serves as a guarantee of its high reliability.

Onyx anti-ship missile

The main features of the Onyx rocket are: full autonomy of its combat use (the principle of “fired and forgotten”), high supersonic speeds on all flight segments, a set of flexible flight paths, complete unification of the rocket for a wide range of carriers (ground-level PUs, surface ships of all classes , submarines), low visibility of the rocket for modern radar.

RCC "Onyx" made by the normal aerodynamic configuration and has a trapezoidal folding wing and tail. High thrust-to-weight ratio along with good aerodynamics of the airframe provide the rocket with excellent maneuverability, which allows Onyx to carry out effective maneuvers of evading enemy fire weapons.

The power plant "Onyx" includes a marching supersonic ramjet with an integral starting solid-fuel accelerator. The rocket engine is designed for marching at speeds in 2,0-3,5 mach in a wide range of heights from 0 to 20 000 meters.

In fact, the whole RCC - from the frontal air intake to the nozzle section, is a power plant organically combined with a glider. The exception is the central cone of the air intake. It contains: a warhead, a radar homing antenna, control system units. All free internal cavities of “Onyx”, including the air path of a ramjet engine, are used for fuel storage and the built-in solid-fuel start-up stage.

After the rocket leaves the launch canister, a solid propellant accelerator unit is mounted, mounted according to the “matryoshka” principle right in the combustion chamber of the cruise engine. Within a few seconds of operation, the accelerating unit accelerates the rocket to speed in 2 mach, then the starter accelerator shuts off, throws it out of the main engine with air flow, and Onyx continues to fly at speed in 2,5 mach, using a ramjet engine.

“Onyx” is equipped with a combined target guidance system (an inertial trajectory on the cruise and an active radar target - in the final phase of the flight). The flight mission of the rocket is formed according to data obtained from an autonomous source of target designation. A homing radar mounted on a rocket is capable of capturing a surface cruiser target at a distance of up to 75 km.

After the initial target acquisition, Onyx turns off its radar station and makes a reduction to extremely low altitude (of the order of 5-10 meters). As a result, in the middle of its flight, the rocket is below the boundary of the enemy’s air defense. Later, after the rocket leaves the radio horizon, the radar re-starts, captures and accompanies the target, which the rocket is aimed at. On this relatively small part of the flight, the supersonic speed of the Onyx will greatly impede the possibility of short-range anti-aircraft defense, as well as the possibility of jamming its homing head.

An overview of the entire affected area from a high altitude creates all the conditions for the preliminary targeting of missiles to individual ships of the group and the selection of false targets. One of the main advantages of the Onyx missiles is their target targeting program, which allows you to act against one ship on the principle of “one rocket - one ship” or opposite “flock” against a warrant of ships. It is in terms of salvo use that all the tactical capabilities of the Bastion-P complex and its main striking force are fully disclosed. The missiles launched are capable of distributing and qualifying targets themselves according to their importance, choosing attack tactics and a plan for its implementation.

The onyx autonomous control system contains not only data on counteraction of EW, but also methods of evading various enemy air defense systems. After the destruction of the main target in the order, the remaining missiles attack other ships, eliminating the possibility of the same target attacking with two missiles. In order to eliminate possible errors in the defeat of a given target and the choice of maneuver, electronic portraits of all existing modern classes of ships are incorporated into the onboard computing system of the rocket. In addition, it also contains tactical information, for example, about the type of ships, which allows the rocket itself to determine what purpose it has — the aircraft carrier, the landing party, the convoy, and attack its main targets.

An early reduction of CRP based on the maintenance of the radio horizon relative to the target being shot allows disrupting the rocket escort with air defense firing systems, which, together with a very high supersonic speed and extremely low rocket altitude in the homing area, significantly reduces the ability of its most intercepted air defense systems.
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  1. vitek1233
    +9
    5 October 2013 09: 38
    Great Weapon !!!
  2. +12
    5 October 2013 09: 54
    More such complexes. I hope the government will not pinch money on their supplies to the troops.
    1. AVV
      0
      5 October 2013 19: 05
      Such systems are very necessary in the army and, by and large, should work in conjunction with air defense systems and security! Bastion + Shell + Terminator + Tank. Such a bundle increases the survival of the entire system and increases the result of coastal strip protection! Other bundles are possible !!!
      1. +5
        5 October 2013 19: 09
        In the operational art and tactics of conducting ground operations, he is not strong, but your "bunch" for me specifically, seems absurd. What will they all do together on the shore? Especially the terminator and the tank with them?
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      3. 0
        8 October 2013 11: 08
        Why security? This is not a front-line complex. Then Bastion + C400.
  3. +8
    5 October 2013 10: 04
    A certain amount of these complexes is in service with Syria ...
    1. +1
      5 October 2013 16: 49
      The Jews bombed the warehouse with missiles ... from the Delfin submarine! The Siiriysk counterintelligence found out that the Israelis were hunting for the Yakhont.
  4. +11
    5 October 2013 10: 24
    A rocket is very well designed and the idea is good. That's just radar guidance is not reliable in electronic warfare conditions. It would be nice if we put in the missile program guidance on the direction of the radiation source or jammer, for example, the PRLR mode, and even better solution to the triangulation problems in the group of missiles at the target distribution stage. After all, usually shipable air defense emit powerful signals, and guidance in radio silence mode is much more reliable.
    1. StolzSS
      +4
      5 October 2013 15: 09
      Perhaps this has already been done, it’s not advertised ...
    2. beard999
      +10
      5 October 2013 15: 18
      Quote: scientist
      That's just radar guidance is not reliable in electronic warfare conditions.

      Well, GSN 3M55 also has a passive mode, in which guidance is carried out on ship radio-emitting means. Why did the author of the article assume that it is simply ARGSN, I do not know. On the site of the GOS manufacturer, it is clearly written that it "uses active and passive channels to search for and track targets" http://www.granit-electron.ru/products/military/yahont_head/. And in the active mode, the seeker is made noise-immune:
      “The GOS is a two-channel active-passive radar with a complex broadband coherent signal with phase-code manipulation according to a random law both in the review mode and in the target tracking mode when operating in active mode. GOS carries out pseudo-random tuning of the time-frequency parameters, has high noise immunity with respect to various types of active radar interference, leading away in range and angular coordinates, and passive interference such as dipole clouds and corner reflectors, adaptive to interference conditions and application conditions. GOS is built on a modular principle: antenna, transmitter, receiver, information processing device. GOS is equipped with built-in self-monitoring.
      After detecting and capturing a target from a great height, the GOS shuts down and the rocket “dives” under the lower boundary of the ship’s air defense zone and flies under the control of an inertial system. Target distribution in a group of missiles occurs at the first stage of the GOS operation (at high altitude and maximum detection range). At a group launch of anti-ship missiles at the first stage, a group of missiles redistributes targets according to a certain algorithm, eliminating the possibility of hitting one target with several missiles (if this is not the main target). The electronic “portraits” of the main ships of potential opponents and the logic of determining the construction of ship warrants for choosing the main target are stored in the memory of the onboard digital computer. Missiles are programmed to perform complex missile defense maneuvers. The repeated switching on of the seeker takes place only after reaching the line of the radio horizon (with the RCC flight altitude of 10-15 m), the target originally discovered.
      1. +3
        5 October 2013 19: 11
        good description and smart weapons. Just to add ranges - about 700-800 km to hit. That would be very good.
        1. beard999
          +4
          5 October 2013 21: 35
          Quote: Dimka off
          just to add range - about 700-800 km

          The deployment of these anti-ship missiles was implemented not only as part of coastal anti-ship missiles, but also on nuclear submarines. And the position of the boat, maybe located beyond 700-800 km, or more, from the coastline.
          1. ABV
            +2
            6 October 2013 20: 53
            Sorry, but the question is not in the position of the boat, but its safety in the form of removal from the enemy, and we’ll master target designation for the 700s ..
            1. 0
              6 October 2013 23: 57
              Quote: ABV
              and we’ll master target designation in the 700s ..


              How?
              1. 0
                7 October 2013 14: 04
                Tu-95RC, A-50, modifications of the Tu-22, satellite reconnaissance.
                1. beard999
                  +1
                  7 October 2013 16: 41
                  Quote: Dimka off
                  Tu-95RC, A-50, modifications of the Tu-22, satellite reconnaissance.

                  Tu-95RC has a maximum detection range of NK - 314 km. During the war, sending him to an AUG meeting is pointless - they will intercept. A-50 (including modernized) is not engaged in target designation for submarines. The same applies to the Tu-22MR. The 17K114 system is no longer functioning. The 14F145 system has not yet been deployed. It is possible to detect AUGs at long range due to coastal ZGRLS, but now there is nothing to issue an accurate TsU PLARK. Even with 3M45 and 3M70 anti-ship missiles, maximum launch ranges (700 km) can be realized at the moment only if they are equipped with a safety system, when special accuracy is not required.
                  1. 0
                    9 October 2013 12: 24
                    Well, if you believe Wikipedia, it says: "Detection range of sea targets (with RCS 250 m²): to the radio horizon."
                    In a corner of the sky it is said about 400 km. Probably still be able to detect sea targets.
                    Yes, and the Tu-95RC can be upgraded. I do not know the truth whether work is going on in this direction.
            2. beard999
              0
              7 October 2013 16: 40
              Quote: ABV
              but the question is not the position of the boat, but its safety in the form of removal from the enemy

              And is “more than 400 km” a distance “not safe”? Do not tell me, but by what means of the PLO, at a distance of more than 400 km, can I get it?
          2. 0
            7 October 2013 13: 57
            Quote: beard999
            And the position of the boat, maybe located beyond 700-800 km, or more, from the coastline.

            The anti-submarine defense of an aircraft carrier strike group is built to a depth of 600 or more kilometers from the center of the warrant — an aircraft carrier. Are you sure that the submarine can go up to 300 km? and if so, then after the start they will find out and then try to leave.
            Such a range is needed in order not to enter the affected area at all. So it is for air modifications.
            1. beard999
              +1
              7 October 2013 16: 42
              Quote: Dimka off
              The anti-submarine defense of an aircraft carrier strike group is built to a depth of 600 or more kilometers from the center of the warrant — an aircraft carrier. Are you sure that the submarine can go up to 300 km?

              Tell me, what are the forces and means provided by the AUG PLO for the removal of 600 km? Only in concrete terms - what exactly are the forces and means of the AUG involved in it.
              Quote: Dimka off
              and if so, then after the start they will find out and then try to leave.

              You AUG whose country you consider as an example? If the US Navy, then their attack by the Russian Navy, this means a global war. Is not it? And in this case, the application of anti-ballistic missile anti-ship missiles with RBC is quite natural. Do you think after this there will be someone to “catch up” with the SSGN?
              Quote: Dimka off
              Such a range is needed in order not to enter the affected area at all.

              The range of RCC 3M55 is “more than 400 km”. Do not tell me the range of destruction of anti-aircraft defense assets that are armed with AUG?
              1. 0
                8 October 2013 11: 51
                http://www.modernarmy.ru/article/73
                well written here

                and the figure of 600 km is taken from an article by Sivkov. They say that the article is a setup - but there is a figure
                1. beard999
                  +2
                  8 October 2013 16: 09
                  Quote: Dimka off
                  600 km

                  AUG standard structure: 1 multi-purpose aircraft carrier; 2 KR URO ("Air Defense Division" AUG); 4 EM URO (“PLO division” AUG); 2 SSGN (they are assigned as PLO AUG, as shock functions, as carriers of KR); 2 transport vessels ("supply division"); 48 F / A-18E / F multipurpose fighter-bombers, 8 EA-18G EW aircraft, 5 E-2C AWACS aircraft, 2 C-2A transport aircraft; 10 helicopters PLO MH-60R (plus another 12 helicopters of this type on escort ships).
                  Of the aviation component of the AUG, the PLO is provided only by MH-60R helicopters (S-3A PLO aircraft were withdrawn from the U.S. Navy in January 2009) The combat radius of the MH-60R (from the aircraft carrier at the course of the aircraft carrier group) is 185 km. The detection range of helicopter sonar systems does not exceed 30 km (and this is in ideal conditions). On the ships of the AUG included in the anti-aircraft missile system, there are 4 Arleigh Burke EMs: ASROC VLA PLUR (8 missile ammunition with a maximum launch range of 27,8 km) and 2x3 324 mm TA (6 Mk.50 torpedo ammunition with a range of 16 km) and 2 KR "Ticonderoga": ASROC VLA PLUR (16 missiles) and 2x3 324 mm TA (6 torpedoes) Mk.50. On the Los Angeles type submarine, there are 4 mm SLTs with an ammunition load of 533 torpedoes Mk.16 Mod.48AT (maximum range 6 km). The best search capabilities of enemy submarines are available in 50 SSGNs - up to 2 km along the course.
                  It is quite obvious that with these forces and means, it is completely impossible to provide a reliable, continuous AOG PLO in a radius of 600 km. In this case, and providing a radius of defense of 300 km looks very problematic.
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                  2. -1
                    8 October 2013 21: 39
                    thank you for the clarification. Now it’s clear that things are not so bad. But in the aviation version it is very difficult to approach 300 km.
  5. +2
    5 October 2013 12: 55
    great deterrent for war hawks
    1. AVV
      0
      5 October 2013 21: 18
      An excellent weapon! Which will still spoil a lot of blood for democrats around the world !!! Since many countries are ready to purchase this complex! Now these systems will have to go into the arsenal of the countries of the Caribbean !!!
  6. +2
    5 October 2013 14: 10
    The firing range is small. Can you increase it?
    1. beard999
      +2
      5 October 2013 15: 19
      Quote: uizik
      Can you increase it?

      Among coastal anti-ship missiles with anti-ship missiles, the Russian K-300P has a maximum launch range and one of the largest in the world (if not the largest) - “more than 400 km” http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20121219/915428088-print .html ...
    2. olviko
      +3
      5 October 2013 18: 19
      The Yakhont aviation version, while maintaining or slightly improving the basic tactical and technical characteristics of the “ship-ground” variant (maximum range 300 km, cruising speed range 2,0–2,6 M, maximum flight altitude up to 15 km), has a significantly lower starting weight (2550 kg). The air intake and nozzle are closed by the fairings discharged after the start (by the way, outwardly, the nose fairing distinguishes the aircraft version from the ship version). All this reduces the aerodynamic drag of anti-ship missiles on the aircraft’s external sling and makes it possible to equip aircraft of almost all classes, including light fighters, with new missiles. In particular, the MiG-29 aircraft can carry two Yakhont missiles on the underwing suspension units. The ammunition of the Su-33 fighter has been increased to three missiles.
      MIG-29 Practical range:
      with 100% of fuel: 1430 km
      with 2 PTB: 2100 km
      SU-33 Flight Range:
      at the ground: 1000 km
      at the height of: 3000 km
      So you can safely add 500-600 kilometers to the Yakhont range.
      1. beard999
        0
        5 October 2013 21: 36
        Quote: olviko
        to the range of Yakhont you can safely add kilometers 500-600

        Naturally, if we consider other options for basing, while taking into account the capabilities of the carriers, then the range in principle increases. And the aviation version will not be the most "long-range". The nuclear submarine, pr. 885 / 885M, has UKSK 3R-14V for 32 anti-ship missiles of the 3M55 type. And in this case, the "range" is theoretically not limited at all ...
      2. -3
        6 October 2013 05: 32
        So far, this fairy tale has not come true. There are no Yakhonts on either submarines or aircraft, and it is not known when they will appear
        1. beard999
          +3
          6 October 2013 16: 25
          Quote: Tlauicol
          There are no yakhonts and it is not known when they will appear

          Yakhont will never appear on Russian boats. This is an export complex. On Russian boats is the Onyx. Tests and trial operation of this anti-ship missile system took place on the K-452 Nizhny Novgorod submarine pr.06704 Chaika-B from 1999 to 2002. The 3M55 anti-ship missile system, as part of the Onyx anti-ship missile system, was adopted by the Russian Government on Decree of 23.09.2002 .3. Serial production of missiles is conducted at Strela Production Center (Orenburg). On NC equipped with USCC, to put 55M560 nothing prevents right now. Now it's up to Ashen. As Chirkov said in September: “the tests of the nuclear-powered submarine cruiser K-32 Severodvinsk are being completed. The cruiser is capable of carrying up to XNUMX units of strike missile weapons. " USC promises that the first "Ash" will be adopted by the Navy before the end of this year. Dates are quite marked.
          1. -1
            6 October 2013 17: 29
            terms have been designated and postponed for 12 years. and for all 12 years bloggers and designers have been talking about air / underwater-based Onyx / Ash in the present tense. but he still does not exist. already sawed "V. Novgorod" ... we are waiting
            1. 0
              6 October 2013 19: 22
              "Brahmos" is the same "Onyx". If you believe pedivikii there is a modification (Brahmos-A) for launching from an air carrier.
              Can be installed on air carriers in the following configurations:
              Su-30MKI - 1-3 missiles on pylons in the center of the fuselage and wings.
              Tu-142 - 6 missiles on wing suspensions.
              IL-76 - 6 missiles on wing suspensions.
              IL-38SD - 4 missiles in the center of the airframe.
              1. -3
                6 October 2013 19: 46
                at least half of Brahmos / Yakhont / Onyx was shown on an airplane / boat. No, not me! fables alone
            2. beard999
              +1
              7 October 2013 16: 45
              Quote: Tlauicol
              deadlines have been designated and rescheduled for 12 years. and all 12 years bloggers and designers talk about Onyx / Yasen air / underwater based in the present

              But why, in fact, not talk about Onyx in the present tense? The complex is adopted. RCC from other carriers (NK and PBRK) is completely ready for use. Real launches are in progress.
              As for Ashen. I don’t know what “bloggers and designers” 12 years ago promised you a ready-made nuclear submarine. Actually, this is complete nonsense. In the 90s., The construction of the boat as such was not (due to lack of funding). In 2001, Severodvinsk was redesigned for new equipment (at the request of the Navy, it is being completed as project 08850). It was launched only on June 24.06.2010, XNUMX.
              And in the end, about the fact that "the tests of the nuclear submarine cruiser K-560 Severodvinsk" are being completed, "say not some left" bloggers ", but the Navy commander in chief http://www.itar-tass.com /c134/861083_print.html.
              1. 0
                7 October 2013 18: 38
                where is the rocket on airplanes? even Onyx, even Yakhont, even Bramos? Anyone answer?
                Where is Onyx or Yakhont or Brahmos underwater launch? The Onyx rocket was tested in the late 90s at the V. Novgorod nuclear submarine - more than 15 years ago! Where is she ? 2013 in the yard! In addition to launching one Brahmos from an underwater platform (there is no carrier), there is nothing!
                just do not need to paint the performance characteristics again, just show at least one photo! I do not expect more
                1. beard999
                  -1
                  8 October 2013 16: 10
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Where is Onyx or Yakhont or Bramos underwater launch?

                  Photos (and even video) of the PJ-10 underwater launch of the BrahMos SCRC have been walking on the network since March of this year. This is no news to anyone:
                  http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/397/4Re55.jpg
                  http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/397/aXPbb.jpg
                  http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/397/O7YPG.jpg
                  RCC 3M55 on the K-452 submarine passed GI, which naturally took place with launches from underwater position. Otherwise, it would not have been adopted. In addition, this anti-ship missile system for NK, PL and SPU PBRK is unified. Video of real launches of this missile from NK and PBRK in the network are also available:
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuqM3qZk4fc
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owRK5g4YyJg
                  (in the first video there are shots and underwater launch).
                  In general, the presence or absence of photo and video materials on the network is not at all an indicator of the reality of the existence of a particular model of military hardware. It’s only particularly stubborn bloggers who believe that if they didn’t find a picture on the network, then that doesn’t exist ...
                  1. -1
                    8 October 2013 16: 18
                    about the only launch of Bramos from under the water from the platform, and not from the submarine, I am in the know (do you read messages at all before answering)?
                    And on video, the zhurnalyugi mixed in a heap both Onyx and Bramos and even Club, and of various modifications. The Onyx or Yakhont submarine launch is not there.
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                    2. beard999
                      -1
                      9 October 2013 16: 20
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      starting Brahmos from under the water from the platform, and not from the submarine, I am in the know (do you read messages in general before answering)?

                      Of course I read. Do you remember what you asked? In a message dated October 7, 2013 18:38, you wrote, I quote verbatim: “Where are Onyx or Yakhont or Bramos underwater launch?”. You needed photos of the "underwater launch" - I brought, exactly what you asked for.
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      The Onyx or Yakhont submarine launch is not there.

                      Yah? Honestly, I have no idea which submarine launch of which RCC (3M55, 3M55E or PJ-10) is shown in the video. But another thing is interesting - how do you know that this is not a rocket from Onyx or Yakhont? Are you ready to give the source of this information?
                      And, once again - 3M55 is a unified RCC. About this directly even in the brochure it is written: "universality in media and types of start" (http://www.npomash.ru/download/ship_ru.pdf). What is this you understand, or do you need to chew? 3M55 was originally developed as a single RCC for submarines and NK. All required tests incl. missiles launched from the submarine passed, after which it was officially accepted for service, mass production is being carried out. At NK and PBRK this missile is already used. As soon as the first "Ash" enters the Navy, it will appear there. With Oniks anti-ship missiles with 3M55 anti-ship missiles, incl. with an underwater start, there were no problems and no (or have you heard otherwise?). The delay in the deployment of 3M55 on submarines is associated exclusively with the completion of the tests of the first serial SSBN pr. 885. The deadlines for completing the tests are indicated very specifically - November-December 2013.
                      1. -1
                        9 October 2013 18: 05
                        Can't you tell Clab's launch from Onyx? belay
                        Onyx underwater launch was tested back in the 90s. Tests stopped, carrier cut. In 2011, another unsuccessful attempt (the Club passed, by the way). In August 2013, they gave another chance. But there were no more underwater launches. Already in October, and the boat this year will not be accepted, they again postponed to the 14th year. Accordingly, the underwater Onyx, too. Bramos was launched from under the water once from the stand, now they say we will build a boat. There were no air launches, not even a layout reset. Air carriers are not ready either. all this remains a dream for 12 years.
                        the bottom line: one PBRK division and one experienced Nakat with empty glasses
                      2. beard999
                        0
                        10 October 2013 17: 27
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        Can't you tell Clab's launch from Onyx?

                        You are not careful. The video shows two submarine launches in a row - the first (approximately 2:17) and immediately after it the second (approximately 2:20). The first rocket is really fairing similar to those that are available in the RCC type 3M54 IRS "Caliber-PL". The second missile is the anti-ship missiles of the 3M55 type. I saw a missile without TPK in Reutov with my own eyes, so that, unlike you, I can quite distinguish one RCC from another.
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        In 2011, another unsuccessful attempt (the Club passed, by the way). In August 2013, they gave another chance. But there were no more underwater launches. Already in October, and the boat this year will not be accepted

                        Without supporting sources, your words are an empty sketch. There were no 3M55 launches from Yasen. “In 2012, the boat successfully tested the Caliber missile system from the surface and underwater position on ship and coastal targets. “As for the firing of the Onyx missile system, they are prepared, planned and will be carried out during the state tests, as provided for in the schedule and program.” http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20131008/968574765.html.
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        the bottom line: one division PBRK and one experienced Nakat

                        But this is an outright lie. Onyx officially adopted by the SCRC. Start 3M55 in TPK K314N is carried out from UKSK type 3R-14. NK which are equipped with it: project 11356Р / М (6 units are under construction, 2 more units are planned to be laid); project 11661K (1 in service); project 20380 (4 in service, 2 under construction); project 21631M (2 in service, 4 under construction, plans to lay another 4 units); project 22350 (4 under construction, plans to lay another 4 units); project 22385 (4 under construction, plans to lay another 10 units); Project 1144M (plans for the modernization of the ship equipment UKKS); promising EMs for the Leader R&D (plans to build at least 10 units). PL: PLARK pr. 885 / 885M - 3 boats under construction / testing and plans to lay another 7 units.
  7. +4
    5 October 2013 14: 30
    Quote: major071
    More such complexes. I hope the government will not pinch money on their supplies to the troops.

    At the moment, there is a battery (three DBKs) at the Black Sea Fleet and, according to the media, they plan to purchase another 2020 DBKs by 20. IMHO there are very few for a country with such long sea borders.
  8. Alikovo
    +4
    5 October 2013 14: 42
    send them to the Kuril Islands to annoy the Japs.
  9. 0
    5 October 2013 15: 59
    This is the thing. And then all the teachings Boundary yes Redoubt ...
  10. Kuzkin Batyan
    0
    5 October 2013 17: 33
    Quote: beard999
    Quote: uizik
    Can you increase it?

    Among coastal anti-ship missiles with anti-ship missiles, the Russian K-300P has a maximum launch range and one of the largest in the world (if not the largest) - “more than 400 km” http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20121219/915428088-print .html ...


    And why can’t you increase the length and add more fuel there, by 1500 km? Or what is under the contract then?
  11. +9
    5 October 2013 18: 51
    Bastion in action !!! SANYA START !!!!!!!!!!
    1. 0
      17 March 2015 09: 56
      What was remembered
      I clearly heard in the headset:
      - "Kolya, press, and I'll cover!"
      - "Vanya, hit, and I'll cover laughing
  12. +3
    5 October 2013 19: 06
    If it’s not on an airplane, but on a dirt complex, a purely anti-landing weapon is obtained.
    For it will not work to hammer the "civilized" ones as part of an aircraft carrier warrant - they simply will not come close.
    1. olviko
      +1
      5 October 2013 19: 29
      "For it will not work to hammer the" civilized "ones as part of an aircraft carrier warrant - they simply will not come close."

      In fact, no one bothers to use the aviation option. For example, the same Syria is armed with a MIG 29.
  13. +1
    5 October 2013 19: 21
    and yet the range would have to be added. And so the rocket is a masterpiece.
    1. +1
      6 October 2013 16: 45
      Quote: Dimka off
      and yet the range would have to be added. And so the rocket is a masterpiece.

      True performance characteristics of weapons and military equipment are never published in open sources.
      Not entirely complete fools, both ours and foreign military (including arms buyers)! laughing
      There is something you can chat about, add that "strangers are afraid" (loved in "Khrushchev's" times) or "become poor", but there is something about which it is better to remain silent. According to the circumstances, in general. wink
      True range of missiles, the stability of the armor, the frequencies at which the control channels (main and spare), etc., are secret., however. request
      An example is the defeat of Tu-154 over the Black Sea during the exercises of the Ukrainian air defense forces at a range of over 240 km with a S-200 missile.
      In those days, in open sources of a range of more than 200 km, no one attributed to him.
      There is a reverse example: the first multiple strategic missiles to be split.
      If you wish, then take a look, a very funny topic.
      1. 0
        7 October 2013 14: 08
        very interesting) what do you think is the range of the Yakhontov?
  14. yacht
    0
    5 October 2013 22: 57
    Great rocket Yahont laughing But I have a question for the specialists, can these missiles really work in a pack, some sources, as for example, this article say "Yes" and others say "No" Personally, I am inclined to believe that such a possibility is inherent in these complexes, but apparently such an option not implemented in all complexes. Hence the discrepancy in such possibilities.
  15. go
    +2
    6 October 2013 02: 00
    It's not entirely clear about the chassis - is it Minsk or something? Why not from BAZ? The factory, like the city, is bent without work. Well, okay, Belarusians brothers also need to be integrated, but what’s completely unclear is that the car is on the KAMAZ chassis as part of the group. What is this doing there? His passability class is completely different. And at KAMAZ, and so everything is in order with production. BAZ needs to be given a thread, although of course all the machines in the complex should be unified (KAMAZ certainly does not belong there).
  16. +1
    6 October 2013 06: 02
    20 000 meters

    I beg your pardon, but this is where the bullshit is. the product at this height "suffocates" from lack of air. Somehow the Indians made something with the bass, and the car went straight up. at 15000 meters, the sustainer engine simply stopped working, and the product, accordingly, starved. but it's okay, this launch was related to lki
  17. 0
    6 October 2013 06: 16
    [media = http: //my.mail.ru/video/mail/hikoles75/_myvideo/1.html]
    this is for interest
  18. 0
    6 October 2013 08: 41
    SUPPLY THEM TO SYRIA! soldier
    1. -1
      6 October 2013 10: 42
      Quote: papik09

      papik09


      Today, 08: 41

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      SUPPLY THEM TO SYRIA!

      What to give, what to throw out! Without powerful air defense, they are not needed by Syria. And, as you know, the Arabs are still those warriors. How many equipment do not supply them (I mean high-tech, modern) all the problems .... well, you know. It is necessary to equip your own BRAVs in the first place.
      1. 0
        6 October 2013 10: 52
        Quote: papik09
        SUPPLY THEM TO SYRIA!


        what if you calculate how much strength Assad had before the start of the civil war and how much he has left now (but nobody really knows what remains), it’s unlikely that the delivery of these systems will change anything. And are you going to sink ships of barrels with these systems? the Navy doesn’t have a bearded man. But systems can be captured by a sudden blow and sent where necessary. With your own hands you create problems for yourself

        Quote: desava
        It is necessary to equip your own BRAVs in the first place.


        But this is really advisable in the first place.
    2. 0
      6 October 2013 14: 30
      Quote: papik09
      SUPPLY THEM TO SYRIA! soldier

      Yes, they seem to be there already, but why run away? How will they help in the battles of the SSA? Or will Assad take the bandits into the sea and then heat them with Yakhonts?
  19. 0
    6 October 2013 14: 11
    Competently crafted CR "Onyx"! Now, apparently, the full production cycle is localized in the Russian Federation. Earlier, Ukraine was also involved in cooperation, but now the countries' courses diverge and the military-industrial complex was the first to react to this in advance. winked
  20. drevnij13
    0
    6 October 2013 16: 58
    Well, the fact that Vietnam wants to buy these complexes, and the fact that some part of these complexes are in service with Syria is very good ..... But ... I would like to know how much such wonderful equipment is in service with Russia ?. .a then we are arming the whole world with modern weapons, and ourselves, in which case (God forbid), we will fight off the great-grandfathers of the three-rulers, and the old Kalash, if they do not have time to melt them by then ...
  21. San Vasilich
    0
    7 October 2013 11: 25
    In particular, the MiG-29 aircraft can carry two Yakhont missiles on the underwing suspension units. The ammunition of the Su-33 fighter has been increased to three missiles.

    In fact, no one bothers to use the aviation option. For example, the same Syria is armed with a MIG 29.


    Well, well, I wish I could see this trick. Well, we take it and put it on the planes of the 80s, the rocket which was adopted in 2002. Of course, such a thing as the compatibility of the technologies of the 80s and 2000s will not hurt us in any way, the 30-year-old Sapfir-29 radar station, without modifications, is calmly capable of guiding Onyx to the target. It is not necessary to change / upgrade the CIUS and the radar (to "Topaz" or "Zhuk"). I still think that I mean MiG-29SMT or MiG-29K.

    Tu-142 - 6 missiles on wing suspensions.
    IL-76 - 6 missiles on wing suspensions.
    IL-38SD - 4 missiles in the center of the airframe.


    And target designation how to issue? About the IL-76 is generally nonsense.
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