Russian-speaking Bandera are a threat to Western Ukraine

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Russian-speaking Bandera are a threat to Western Ukraine


Diary of a Madman


At the very beginning of 90, none of the ideologists of Western Ukraine’s political organization “Ruh” (led by Vyacheslav Chornovol), when they were going on a crusade against the Russian-speaking party-nomenklatura Kiev, did not know that they would not have to raise the issue of autonomy of Galicia on the agenda from Greater Ukraine. The fears of the same Chernovol Sr. were not in vain, despite the fact that the Soviet authorities gave the green light to Ukrainian typography and culture in parity with the Russian, the citizens of the Ukrainian SSR were part of the great Russian-speaking technological and social civilization. Being an engineer and a pilot is cool! And with all due respect to the Ukrainian culture, we state that the language of science and exact disciplines in the USSR was Russian.

The leader of “Ruh” naively believed that the multi-million Russian-speaking regions would simply melt Western Ukraine, and not even choke, but it turned out almost the opposite. Why and how this happened, you can find out in detail in the articles "How was the Ukrainian political nation formed?" and " Where did the virus Svidomo among Russians of Ukraine come from?»I strongly recommend that you read them in order to make the Russian people from Russia more understandable in this article.

Who are the Russian-speaking Bandera? We figured it out in the spring on the pages of the Military Review website. In short, let me remind you that as of the Maidan period, these were Russian or Russian-speaking Ukrainians who were mostly up to 35 years old. Their area is those cities of Ukraine, where the industry with the real sector of the economy is the least represented and the consumer lifestyle dominates, and the student and football social group is also strongly represented. In order of the degree of infection to descending excluding Donbass and Crimea: Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Kharkov. In the cities of Zaporozhye and Kharkov, the alignment of forces to the active phase of the ATO was 50 / 50. In the rest, a slight advantage in Maydauns, with the exception of Kiev, was infested with the capital for all the good 75%. Where are the numbers and stats? From the sky! First, read the article “How to cure Russian-speaking Bandera?”, And secondly, I hope there will be less emotion in discussions like in the fall of 2013, when I dared to write a thesis that there were no conscious Russians in Ukraine before the age of 30. with the exception of the Crimea. I was subjected to public obstruction, accusing me of being a Ukrainian Natsik, who disguised himself as a patriot of the Russian world, and in fact the whole of Eastern Ukraine would throw Bandera’s hats. But let's not talk about the past, since I, too, was mistaken. And mistakes must be recognized. I overestimated the Ukrainian-Bandera of Galicia and underestimated the Russian-speaking followers of Shukhevych. We will talk about this now.

People, pay attention that all known field commanders of the ATO forces that are widely known in the media, deservedly or not, are either Russian-speaking, or Russian-speaking in the past, and maybe even ostentatious. First of all, we are talking about Dmitry Yarosh, a native of the Dnipropetrovsk region and Semenchenko, who is generally either from the Crimea or from the Donbass. Let's abstract from the ratings of these characters in terms of their efficiency. The same Dmitry Yarosh turned to Ukrainian during the events on the Maidan, when the PS began to emerge from the shadow, when his first media interviews appeared. His knowledge of Ukrainian is like an adult 1995 of the year, who suddenly realized that there was no longer a Soviet Union and it was time to learn something. But Semenchenko generally does not consider it necessary to even engage in a show and speaks in Russian. And I have a logical and logical question: why Galicia, which is the cradle of Bandera's ideology, in which descendants of UPA warriors and even some of its “veterans” live, so to speak, did not give a bright colorful personality for feats in the ATO area? The region is not small, almost 10 million population.

Of course, people from Western Ukraine are fighting in the Donbas, both in the volunteer battalions and in parts of the APU. But how are they fighting? What is their percentage of the total number of security forces as of today? We can recall the case of how an entire battalion "Prykarpattya" organizedly left the zone of the anti-terrorist operation on buses and weapons in hand. Why would they do that? Did they retreat as a result of a hard contact battle and, having suffered significant losses, realized that it was not their war and land for 800 km from home? Yes and no! I will take the liberty and audacity to assume that they would have easily surrendered their native city Ivano-Frankivsk to the enemy. I am not a Ukrainophobe, but as a person who has lived a little in Western Ukraine, I assert that the current inhabitants of Bukovina, Galicia and western Polesia are a good builder, a gardener and a livestock breeder, an opportunist, a trader, a family man, a drunkard, and anyone but a warrior who will spit blood in the frosty steppes of the Donbass, changing the submachine gun with frozen hands. But what about the day of “Vasil”, “Mikhail”, and what about “Malanka”, and what about “kortoplya”, earnings and other attributes of Western Ukrainian life?



Yes, today everyone was mistaken. No one expected this. Personally, until May 2014, I considered Russian-language Maydauns to be miserable consumers who parody zapadentsevs and do not crawl under bullets. Affect the genes of Russian, although the consciousness of "svidomoe". And let us not be told by experts that Russian-speaking people take part in the ATO only at the level of commanders, gunners, and just specialists, since Galicians can only hold the machine in their hands. No, a Russian also runs with a submachine gun near Donetsk in order to kill the “nesvidomykh” Russians. And this is a terrible tragedy of the Russian people. At such moments, I personally begin to believe in the theory of Nosovsky - Fomenko, where every 100 years some of its people fell off from Russia, which changed to another dialect, and then to another language, and history copied backstage winners.

But why and why Russian-speaking Bandera threaten Western Ukraine? I am pretty sure that the CIA, like the organization that oversaw the Maidan at all stages, has a long analytical note on Western Ukraine. And here an interesting situation arises for Americans. On the one hand, it is generally known that the population of Western Ukraine is very passionate, has a partially semi-communal character, a la is a light version of Dagestan (I don’t want to offend anyone), although with Christian fanaticism, but it is not sufficiently stitched by Western consumption, while being materialists to the core . Americans can rely on those Russian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians who have worked well with the USSR, giving them instead of a church and folk traditions science and production. Where production and science survived, immunity from Svidomo was preserved. After all, “consumption” in Ukraine is a conductor of Svidomo. Now for the Russians clear on the fingers.

Imagine for a second if 90s would drag out in Russia. And here, for example, in the Kaliningrad region, where the enterprises stopped and the fleet stopped, where there would be only shopping centers and shops, among the Russian people who call themselves Balts, or Poles and Litvins, or even Germans, a group emerges. They put on ethnic shirts that are close in spirit to the people of the Baltic and Eastern Europe, in return they are given a simplified visa, and their representatives in the city council of Kaliningrad promise membership in the EU if they choose. The price of the question is a slightly modified dialect of Russian, which you don’t even have to speak about, but simply use the liberal view in the document flow. What do you think, how many Russians will resist, say, from Kostroma, who moved 5 to Kaliningrad years ago? I know a family of Russians in Ukraine who came from the Leningrad Region not in the distant USSR, but in 2006. And they are maydauny today! And there are people who wear Ukrainian surnames and speak surzhik, but they are for Novorossia.

Now the fun part. Those who are among Russian and Russian-speaking people who put on embroidered shirts and are fighting in the ATO, sooner or later will notice that their idols from Galicia are somehow not well represented in the military ranks, this time, they continue to work in Europe in all possible and impossible ways. , two, and even continue to build their double-decker huts somewhere near Chernivtsi - three! Moreover, the Russian-speaking maydauny of Central and South-Eastern Ukraine will suffer the most from the cold and winter. While they rode and fought, Mykola from Galicia by the name of Gritsko already, as a good host, prepared firewood for her hacienda, which was decorated with Galician patterns, his wife Motrya makes another money transfer from Italy, and his son rolled in a used Opel from Romania. At that time a sister-in-law from Greece arrived, where she worked as a nurse. And what will 35-year-old adult chump Sergei Kirechenko do from the sleeping district of Dnepropetrovsk, because he was riding Maidan and even shooting in the ATO volunteer battalion. His apartment is almost cool, there is no hot water, prices have risen, work except for the ATO is not. Will he go to pick apples in Poland from Mr. Varchekovsky next year? It was somehow embarrassing and dumb to leave the millionth city where in the best years you could earn money on hands of 3500-5000 uah. at the old rate, and now he will go along with his idol Mykola from Galicia to pick apples from the Polish pan for 1000 km from home. And what will happen to the consciousness of the Russian-speaking Bandera Sergey, when he sees how Western Ukraine lives relatively well, though working hard and a batrach at customs crossings ?! And these strange rites and holidays? I do not praise Galicia, I just want to draw attention to the fact that the copy will never become the original, at least in the first and even second generation.

Let us return to the Americans, who will need to rely on the group of citizens of Ukraine who know how to fight, are ready to endure all the deprivation of their lives and will put their lives for the sake of American interests. I think you know who it will be. But what do puppeteers of Maidan and his slaughter do with Western Ukraine? The territory with a population of 10 million people, which is to farming, haggling, nepotism, family values, religion, drunkenness, opportunism, but not to sacrifice, like the Russians! They made their mission, they came to Maidan in an organized way, as if to a market, although it is so. And how will the Russian-speaking Bandera behave and what they will soon realize that the myth of the UPA as soldiers, who fought with the regular units of the Red Army, is not true, and that they simply acted as policemen in the rear of the Wehrmacht? After all, the whole life of the original Bandera comes down to a trowel with a mortar, trade and garden. How to live with this Russian-speaking maydanutym from the metropolis? Clash on the basis of the search for justice is inevitable. Russian is always looking for justice, even if they are svidomye. In the Carpathians, it is more beautiful than a home and more picturesque than a place in the Donbas, and you can also “shake” the flows of shuttles.
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  1. +29
    3 December 2014 08: 13
    I would like to ask a question to such VO readers as Cristall and others like him, -in Ukraine there is no fascism, huh? ..
    1. +12
      3 December 2014 08: 28
      Immigrants from Western Ukraine are fighting in the Donbas, both in the volunteer battalions and in the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      fact, true enemies of Russia are fighting with Novorossia:
      1. WKS
        +2
        3 December 2014 11: 14
        Let us return to the Americans, who will need to rely on the group of citizens of Ukraine who know how to fight, are ready to endure all the deprivation of their lives and will put their lives for the sake of American interests. I think you know who it will be. But what do puppeteers of Maidan and his slaughter do with Western Ukraine?
        An ancient proverb, translated from Latin, answers this: "the Moor has done his job - the Moor can leave." In this case, in the role of the Moor, the Galicians, although they do not look like blacks.
    2. +10
      3 December 2014 08: 40
      To test for fascism.

      "There are two questions for you:
      1. For you 9may 1945, the holiday is Victory Day?
      2. Where were you on May 2, 2014? Was it happy? "
    3. +14
      3 December 2014 09: 02
      Quote: ispaniard
      I would like to ask a question to such readers like Cristall and others like him, in Ukraine there is no Fascism, is it? ..

      About Cristall - something incomprehensible here! I registered on the site on April 9 (previously only viewed). At this time, Cristall with his posts was very close to me in spirit, actively covered the events in Odessa - and it was in "OUR" key. Somewhere in late May - early June, he stopped visiting the site, and when he appeared, he was already a person with completely different views. I tried to challenge him by asking. what happened, but he ignored these questions. One more thing - his avatar is a woman's photo. In April May, all his posts were neutral, it was difficult to determine his gender. But already at the end of June, the male gender was clearly defined.
      So I am plagued by vague doubts ...
      1. +5
        3 December 2014 09: 46
        Quote: andj61
        About Cristall - something incomprehensible here!


        I can say even more, at first I thought it was really a woman ... at least according to Cristall ...

        Who knows, maybe a real person is already gone ...
        And now the fake American-maydaun.
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      3. -11
        3 December 2014 09: 53
        Quote: andj61
        So I am plagued by vague doubts.

        I did not leave the site at all. Maybe he wrote less - because he helped his wife. So I could not answer actively.
        I wrote why we (the general policy of the VO Party) disagreed.
        The chronology was that I was before Maidan, Akim and many others discussed the forthcoming association, disadvantages and so on.
        Crimea struck out-many agreed to the transition and even more generally thought that it was here - the moment of unification. Russian spring all captured.
        And now the breaking point of the Crimea has come. It seems that the phase itself is without blood (1 Ukrainian died) but what happened after. First, Ukrainians started leaving the site. I expressed my bewilderment with the Russian phrases - "trophies" and "overcame". Then the Russian Federation breaks all agreements with Ukraine and presents an invoice. The Russian blogosphere simply starts to euphoric and does not notice that it is simply setting up former loyalists. Hit the army - like cowards surrendered without a fight. The fleet is in captivity. Akim left the site - he is a man of business, not a sofa. I stayed - I was perplexed for a month. Then it happened on May 2 - passed by. I hated Kiev so much - that in the heat I did not even notice how cleverly the information war against the background of the confrontation between the SE and the center simply deprived the country of the opportunity to do at least something. Yes, Kiev is to blame for the tragedy. This murder will be on his conscience.
        But since then, the Ros blogosphere has called everyone the fascists .. all Ukrainians. The site came out with bile indiscriminately. Then the phrases were sounded - they are all traitors cowards (because, as you see, they didn’t take a weapon - although I’ll explain that after the Crimea no one began to defend the anti-pro-Russian anti-Maydanschik because the protest was against the Russian Federation)
        And as soon as IN became an Ukrainian-phobic (there was an information war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation in which the Russian Federation became similar to Ukraine), I protested. Then he warned that he had a bad influence on Ukrainians .. Then he became frankly against the policy of the VO with his mats and insults to the Ukrainians. The militia began to lie godlessly.
        After the article where Ukraine was called a female dog, I finally became a Ukrainian. It was clear that the Russian Federation was our enemy. Since after May 2, the Westerners rejoiced at the burning - the Russians in VO rejoiced at "female dogs" in articles about Ukraine.
        The key phrase was (after the arguments about the Crimea and the navy in captivity)
        Either you are terpily, the fascists are not given a third!
        These are VO words for people like us ...
        well, you are talking about "Russian-speaking Bandera" ..
        I get this - but I was made like this by VO .. and not some kind of Ukrainian propaganda (I do not watch TV)
        1. +15
          3 December 2014 10: 06
          Cristall

          This is called from a sick head to a healthy one!

          Russians are to blame? Bukhim Yeltsin in 90, and as a result of the lack of soft power policy, when history began to correspond with us in Ukraine, or maybe ethnic Russians of Ukraine, who secretly rejoiced that Chechnya was not their problem, and in general I’m already a Ukrainian !? And here in and 23, the Ukrainian propaganda? Does this edition of VO take a group photo in the press conference room of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine?

          You all relaxed bread, you were all in the zone of Russian-speaking comfort of large cities in the South-East. You sat openly in summer cafes with a beer and said that you had fewer chokes at times than in Russian cities.

          And Crystal, and here the editorial policy of the Military Academy and the monument to Zhukov in Odessa. Did he post here too? You are not Ukrainian, you are a Janissary without a clan or tribe. Dedicated to you:

          1. +1
            5 June 2019 17: 38
            Although in some of the statements I agree with Crystal. I stopped communicating with my cousins ​​living in Kiev and Kharkov, all communication comes down to the fact that I am a Russian occupier and a "separatist". But they are as Russian as I am. So "shiz" in Ukraine is spreading like Ebola across Africa.
        2. +2
          3 December 2014 10: 07
          Quote: Cristall
          I get this - but I was made like this by VO .. and not some kind of Ukrainian propaganda (I do not watch TV)

          Well, well - it happens, and it happens to "O", and it happens to "Yo" ..
          Thanks for being honest. Sorry if I offended you with something ... I have a lot of friends and acquaintances in Ukraine. And I saw that the watershed did not occur immediately after the Crimea, but at the end of May, somewhere after the election of Poroshenko. Before that, many in Eastern Ukraine, naturally, were generally happy and hoped to become part of Russia. And then they realized that their hopes were in vain. And the pendulum swung in the other direction.
          In Russia, too, of course, not everything is perfect, especially in the politics of the government inside the country, but we feel some kind of confidence, which was not before Putin.
          And you don’t pay such attention to the Uryashnikov - they are on all sites, this should be taken as inevitable.
          1. +10
            3 December 2014 10: 18
            And I agree with him, he did not change much for the better, there were very, very many Kamentov frankly boorish and almost experienced choreographer, very often urapatriatism and fewer thinking people and interesting comments.
            1. +9
              3 December 2014 10: 32
              Quote: tilovaykrisa
              And I agree with him, he did not change much for the better, there were very, very many Kamentov frankly boorish and almost experienced choreographer, very often urapatriatism and fewer thinking people and interesting comments.


              A feeling of solidarity has arisen with a man who was publicly at first neutral towards the Maidan, and now increasingly defends the regime? Did you find the right words for your Russian broad soul? Congratulations, you are a real Russian who can forgive. It's time to invite Stalin to the throne, give the Kuban soon to those who cry that he used to be like a Russian, well, because of the wrong information policy of the Military Review, he is now forced to stand shoulder to shoulder with the guys in the photo. Well, of course not with them, with a modest version. With some territorial battlefield of Odessa, in order to stop at night a car with refugees from Donbass who decided to leave "Edyna Krajina" and make fun of them, at best, take away the money and tear the passport. Compassion is the source of the strength and weakness of the Russian people. Believe in the resort Odessa, consumer and merchant, many have forgotten what it is.
              1. +2
                3 December 2014 11: 00
                The points
                1. Stalin is a long time to invite yes no, unfortunately.
                2. I do not agree with the "editorial policy and moderation of comments on VO"
                3. For his kamentami almost did not follow
                4. hurray-patriotism is bad and you need to think with your head for it is for that and is needed, and not for those who need it to be thrown in the garbage
                5. I do not sympathize with him because I believe that the Ukrainians themselves are to blame for the current situation and only they, my comment related only to "in"
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              2. +4
                3 December 2014 16: 55
                Gold words. The forgiveness of the Russians is the evil that the West has used many times. I am sure when the CIA (NSA, FBI, whatever else) conceived plans to create the Maidan, taking into account its consequences, including a psychological portrait of the average Russian, with his ability to forgive and be magnanimous. The Anglo-Saxons cannot be denied resourcefulness. So it's time to learn how to disable this function under the name "forgiveness". I emphasize that it is to disable, not delete. Do not go from one extreme to another - this is the worst. The Saxons' expectation that the Russians will forgive is very correct.
                And with the Western world, you need to deal with the Western. For meanness and quiet blows - to beat so that the enemy is simply stunned from the painful shock, to beat even after he raised his hands up. Soak to a frenzy. By all means that is at hand. But at the same time exuding a "western smile". And there is no fascism and misanthropy in this. Otherwise, death to all those kind and bright features that are inherent in the Russian people, death in general to the Russian people, which the Anglo-Saxons mercilessly ruined the entire 20th century.
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        3. +9
          3 December 2014 10: 46
          Quote: Cristall
          After the article where Ukraine was called a female dog, I finally became a Ukrainian. It was clear that the Russian Federation was our enemy. Since after May 2, the Westerners rejoiced at the burning - the Russians in VO rejoiced at "female dogs" in articles about Ukraine.
          The key phrase was (after the arguments about the Crimea and the navy in captivity)

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          Oooh ... Ukrainian "patriotism" has gone, everything is clear ... They split off pieces from the empire, called themselves "guide and spravzhny kraina" or whatever? I wish you success in your "struggle" with the Russian Federation! What else to say?
          1. +7
            3 December 2014 11: 26
            Quote: Altona
            Ukrainian "patriotism" has gone

            Patriotism is good, but Nazism is another thing!
            There are no bad nations in the film, but there are bad people on the planet.
            Calling Ukraine a female dog - get up to the level of banderlogov.
            We are not a censor, do not stoop to the level of bad people!
            The dignity of the Russians (with a capital letter) is not in insults and incitement to discord. Thus, we pour water on the mills you understand to whom!
            1. +3
              3 December 2014 15: 25
              Quote: Drednout
              Patriotism is good, but Nazism is another thing!

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              By “patriotism” I meant that a person “seizes the land,” which, as a result of a separate deal in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, became Ukraine. And now a person “protects” the borders of this country, as if we are trying to “enslave” him, put garrisons in his “misce”, and drive the inhabitants by a thorn and force everyone to sew canvas slippers, green quilted jackets and drag rails. This is how a person represents our policy and is ready, with the determination of Pavka Korchagin, to gnaw out the throat of the "Russian occupier" ...
              1. +1
                3 December 2014 15: 58
                Quote: Altona
                By "patriotism" I meant that a person is "taking over the land",

                Man, I perfectly saw the quotes in your comments and understand perfectly what you meant.
                There is no doubt that the neighbors' brains are under enormous pressure and flushing in all respects. Only we need to use such a weapon without dropping to a level below the animal, but our brains have also worked well over the past decades. To distort the native language in the order of things (not to you personally, sometimes I make mistakes myself), not to be responsible for words and not to perceive criticism are typical signs of modern "couch" warriors. Well, in any case, very many.
        4. -1
          3 December 2014 12: 30
          On their own, do not equal all ....
        5. +6
          3 December 2014 12: 31
          I am not sure that from a normal thinking person, the VO position can make the one who forgets, on whose side his grandfather and great-grandfather fought and will stand alongside those who defile the monuments of WW.
        6. +4
          3 December 2014 12: 59
          Quote: Cristall
          I get this - but I was made like this by VO .. and not some kind of Ukrainian propaganda (I do not watch TV)

          It is a pity that you so easily exchanged the Soviet past, a common, heroic one that you can be proud of - for what? Surely the crap you are writing now doesn’t seem strange to you? What are you offended for, and those more susceptible to suggestion and those with even less desire to work with brains have filled up the Donbass with corpses and ruined the country? In order for the benefit of the Great United States under the spell of the curse-th mos-kalyam? Take offense further.
        7. +6
          3 December 2014 13: 39
          Here, as it were, such a thing - the majority of Russians see the "picture" as it is. Those. They quite clearly understand that the problem is not in the Ukrainians and quilted jackets, but in the Americans and Geyropians. We are clearly aware of who real enemy and never, and even now, the enemies of the inhabitants of the suburbs did not count and we will not count. This you can not deny. (Well, on websites to spend time, to scratch every mountain with tongues).
          But the Russians are annoyed and disappointed that the citizens of Ukraine, seeing the situation through the prism of your (sorry) Western media propaganda, do not even bother to look into reality.
          In fact, the feelings of most Russians towards you are pity. And the surprise is that Americans seem to be able to create SUCH as from normal people!
          Well, to SUCH and the attitude is different. Catching what I mean?
          Plus, our leaders and the ruling ranks, unlike yours, do not openly advocate hatred of Ukrainians in the media and do not call for the genocide of Ukrainians. In general, most people consider you a little sick, crazy in the acute stage, which is promoted by the policies of your puppet usurping government.
          It is enough not only to listen to your "leaders", but simply to look at them, and it immediately becomes clear whose interests they are promoting. Do you really want to become a gayropsko-amersky dressing-room, apparently?
          Not only do you have only Jews in power, but they also openly invited foreign "figures".
          Has the whole brain leaked out? Take a look around, there are already so many examples that the fingers will not be enough, to which the "shitty Western values" bring countries
          And the Russian Federation and its population wishes you only good, happiness and prosperity. But you will survive: "I will fuck up - but I will not give in.
          It would be funny if it were not so sad.
          ZY And Santa Claus - why didn’t you please?
        8. +4
          3 December 2014 14: 18
          Quote: Cristall
          I wrote why we (the general policy of the VO Party) disagreed.


          You know, I gave Cristall a plus for this message. And I’m even ready to say "thank you" for him, because, thanks to him, some things that I do not fully understand, I began to understand a little better. Cristall, of course, is a thinking person and able to express his thoughts quite competently, in any case, I think I understand him correctly. It was these people that I perceived and continue to perceive as our natural allies in Ukraine, in contrast to our natural enemies - Ukrainian neo-Nazis. Allies in the struggle for normal human, friendly, if you will, fraternal relations between the two Slavic powers. More precisely, between representatives of one Slavic civilization, bearers of one Slavic culture.

          The Cristall message is an occasion for us to think about what we write, how we write and why we write it.

          You, Cristall, just want to say that I personally feel very sorry that your attitude towards our country has been transformed in this way. I would like to wish you less pay attention to the stupid cries, bloodthirsty appeals and offensive comments, which in fact has become a lot.

          Regards hi
          1. 0
            4 December 2014 00: 05
            And I think about those burned in Odessa, killed from around the corner in Kiev, about Donbass and Lugansk, where children and old people are dying of starvation and shells.
            About three fishermen killed under the Slavic and many, many others ...
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            And I will never forget it.
            Killers are not protected.
        9. +4
          3 December 2014 17: 00
          But since then, the Ros blogosphere has called everyone the fascists .. all Ukrainians


          This applied to the fascist Ukrainians. Insults from these citizens of a neighboring state began long before the Maidan. On the side of the DPR and LPR, people with Ukrainian surnames along with the Russians.

          after Crimea


          Do you also consider him Ukrainian? :)

          I do not understand the site guards aroused ...
          Well, did the user get out his real gut? He went to the barricade that is closer to him. His right, and his explanations on this subject resemble disassembly in kindergarten. The grains are separated from the chaff ...
          My ancestors of this suffered from the Soviet government, but fought for their homeland ... for Stalin. Everyone makes their choice ... He chose.
          1. 3axap
            0
            3 December 2014 20: 11
            I catch the breeze. I hold back. If we take revenge on Soviet power. That would be sickening not only for her. But as far as I know. In AB, everyone fought for the Motherland. The traitors and the policemen were not.
        10. 0
          3 December 2014 17: 27
          Quote: Cristall
          Quote: andj61
          So I am plagued by vague doubts.

          I did not leave the site at all. Maybe he wrote less - because he helped his wife. So I could not answer actively.
          I wrote why we (the general policy of the VO Party) disagreed.
          The chronology was that I was before Maidan, Akim and many others discussed the forthcoming association, disadvantages and so on.
          Crimea struck out-many agreed to the transition and even more generally thought that it was here - the moment of unification. Russian spring all captured.
          And now the breaking point of the Crimea has come. It seems that the phase itself is without blood (1 Ukrainian died) but what happened after. First, Ukrainians started leaving the site. I expressed my bewilderment with the Russian phrases - "trophies" and "overcame". Then the Russian Federation breaks all agreements with Ukraine and presents an invoice. The Russian blogosphere simply starts to euphoric and does not notice that it is simply setting up former loyalists. Hit the army - like cowards surrendered without a fight. The fleet is in captivity. Akim left the site - he is a man of business, not a sofa. I stayed - I was perplexed for a month. Then it happened on May 2 - passed by. I hated Kiev so much - that in the heat I did not even notice how cleverly the information war against the background of the confrontation between the SE and the center simply deprived the country of the opportunity to do at least something. Yes, Kiev is to blame for the tragedy. This murder will be on his conscience.
          But since then, the Ros blogosphere has called everyone the fascists .. all Ukrainians. The site came out with bile indiscriminately. Then the phrases were sounded - they are all traitors cowards (because, as you see, they didn’t take a weapon - although I’ll explain that after the Crimea no one began to defend the anti-pro-Russian anti-Maydanschik because the protest was against the Russian Federation)
          And as soon as IN became an Ukrainian-phobic (there was an information war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation in which the Russian Federation became similar to Ukraine), I protested. Then he warned that he had a bad influence on Ukrainians .. Then he became frankly against the policy of the VO with his mats and insults to the Ukrainians. The militia began to lie godlessly.
          After the article where Ukraine was called a female dog, I finally became a Ukrainian. It was clear that the Russian Federation was our enemy. Since after May 2, the Westerners rejoiced at the burning - the Russians in VO rejoiced at "female dogs" in articles about Ukraine.
          The key phrase was (after the arguments about the Crimea and the navy in captivity)
          Either you are terpily, the fascists are not given a third!
          These are VO words for people like us ...
          well, you are talking about "Russian-speaking Bandera" ..
          I get this - but I was made like this by VO .. and not some kind of Ukrainian propaganda (I do not watch TV)


          Well then it is not in the case, but in you! So you are not a formed person, whose opinion and views are easy to change - which, alas, is not good for you. negative
        11. 3axap
          +2
          3 December 2014 19: 56
          Pay attention. Crystal. we are not to blame. Vv. made him an enemy. And now he hates us as well as all of us. Ie Russkimi.zhiteli neighboring country.
        12. 0
          4 December 2014 16: 20
          You plus I also do not like some comments, and even more than that - for some, I’m just ashamed. Just about them you write. But is it possible for these comments to conclude that the Russian Federation is an enemy? In my opinion, people who write on IN nonsense and nastiness are either conscious provocateurs or who have fallen into the very thing that we are all being bred for - inciting hatred towards each other. It seems to me that you have a little caught in these networks? Not? What do you think?
      4. +4
        3 December 2014 10: 00
        Quote: andj61
        One more thing - his avatar - female photo

        Crystal once explained that this is a photo of his wife. Although this is very convenient ... in fact, the avatars seem to show with whom a person associates himself, or at least what is close to him, which expresses his essence. And here ... according to the principle "husband and wife are one Satan." This is his right.
    4. +3
      3 December 2014 09: 55
      Vlasov during the Second World War, too, was a lot.
      1. +3
        3 December 2014 13: 58
        Quote: Cristall
        The chronology was-before Maidan, I, Akim, and many discussed

        Quote: Cristall
        And here is the turning point of the Crimea has come.

        You are confused in determining the inflection point or averting your eyes. Crimea is just a reaction to the Maidan, its slogans, its actions, its background (both of the people there and of Russia). The slogan “no to aligarhams!”, Which lured the people, was proclaimed under Russophobic slogans. This did not alert anyone, and they almost immediately forgot about no to the Aligarhs. All that subsequently happened in Ukraine is his legacy. Maidan (due to information technology) allwho does not fight against the regime (even Khataskraynikov), makes accomplices in all his actions (including war and murder), where directly and where and indirectly. And you have to justify yourself, Maidan and it gives someone who can not think of (even slips all). And what do you expect from the Russian is not influenced by the Maidan, especially from the normal Urapatriot. Maidan, after all, affects people not only in Ukraine, but with a reverse effect.
    5. 0
      3 December 2014 16: 32
      Quote: ispaniard
      I would like to ask a question to such readers like Cristall and others like him, in Ukraine there is no Fascism, is it? ..
      Well, here's something to get to the person fool . He, as a pro-Russian (for me even too) a Ukrainian, a man of the Soviet formation, can look at the situation from two sides, i.e. have a more complete picture of what is happening.
      And accordingly more objective than many forum users.
      Yes, and I have a question for ispaniard and others like him, wrestlers against fascism - do you write tea from the trenches of Donbass ?!
    6. 0
      3 December 2014 16: 50
      It is probably difficult for the Russians to see events from the outside. But in Ukraine it is not fascism with the attributes that associate this concept. In Ukraine, there is chaos with the dominant influence of people who, to some extent, are compared with the attributes of "Nazis". And everyone understands. that it is short-lived. And the chaos is also not quite what it sounds like. After all, every "literate" at the sight of a swastika or a trident or a star immediately associates it with whatever he wants. But fascism, like communism, is a science with a systematic substantiation of rules and behavioral postulates under a particular concept of the ideological organization of a community of people.
      Therefore, the elites plunging crowds into an imbalance of the people themselves do not know what they will receive as a result.
  2. +7
    3 December 2014 08: 16
    These wolf packs only destroy, normal circulation, they no longer understand.
    1. predator.3
      +2
      3 December 2014 09: 37
      idols from Galicia are somehow not very well represented in the combat ranks, this time, they continue to go to Europe in two ways possible and impossible ways, and even continue to build their two-storeyed hats somewhere near Chernivtsi - three! Moreover, the Russian-speaking maydauny of Central and South-Eastern Ukraine will suffer the most from the cold and winter. While they rode and fought, Mykola from Galicia by the name of Gritsko already, as a good host, prepared firewood for her hacienda, which was decorated with Galician patterns, his wife Motrya makes another money transfer from Italy, and his son rolled in a used Opel from Romania. At this time, arrived sister-in-law from Greece, where she worked as a nurse(well, yes it is difficult in Greece and in Europe without carers! feel Yes, and we have on the tracks in any way without nurses lol).

      Very well written!
      1. -1
        3 December 2014 20: 25
        maybe without cots? feel
  3. +4
    3 December 2014 08: 17
    Fresh thought, but this is not easier for me.
  4. +4
    3 December 2014 08: 22
    I didn’t understand a bit why the author called the inhabitants of western Ukraine to be passionate, although according to written by passionaries, the inhabitants of center, south and east of Ukraine clearly look? or did i read wrong?
    1. +8
      3 December 2014 08: 33
      Quote: Alekst
      I didn’t understand a bit why the author called the inhabitants of western Ukraine to be passionate, although according to written by passionaries, the inhabitants of center, south and east of Ukraine clearly look? or did i read wrong?


      All of you understand correctly. Passionality of Western Ukrainians ends where there is a threat to their life. In Russians, passionarity begins where the threat to their lives begins. The same goes for the first-generation Svidomo Russians. Who perceived the threat from the East to their new convictions on the physical level. Thank you for the interesting question. hi
      1. +2
        3 December 2014 09: 21
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Passionality of Western Ukrainians ends where there is a threat to their lives

        Then it is not drive, but gorlopanism, no more.
        From VIKI:
        drive - book. property by value passionary; longing for the goal and willingness to overstress and sacrifice to achieve this goal

        And what is the sacrifice of the inhabitants of memory? It is absent - here I completely agree with the author. By the way, the Passionary (fiery) is the party pseudonym of the head of the Spanish communists of the Stalin-Brezhnev era D. Ibarruri, her son is a pilot hero, lieutenant of the Red Army, died at Stalingrad.
        1. 0
          3 December 2014 14: 29
          Quote: andj61
          her son, a pilot hero, lieutenant of the Red Army, died at Stalingrad.

          Ruben Ruis Ibarruri (Spanish: Rubén Ruiz Ibárruri; January 9 1920 - September 4 1942) - Hero of the Soviet Union, the commander of a machine-gun company, captain.
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      3. +2
        3 December 2014 10: 00
        All of you understand correctly.


        ... necessary article ... ++
        ... just ... I didn’t admit that indigenous Russians dream of becoming zapadent ...
        ... however not new ... snobbery takes place, only an object of imitation is not very attractive
    2. +1
      3 December 2014 09: 11
      Quote: Alekst
      I didn’t understand a bit why the author called the inhabitants of western Ukraine to be passionate, although according to written by passionaries, the inhabitants of center, south and east of Ukraine clearly look?

      Here, the author simply failed to design thoughts.
      The CIA, as the organization that oversaw the Maidan at all stages, has long been an analytical note on Western Ukraine. And here an interesting situation arises for Americans. On the one hand, it is well known that the population of Western Ukraine is very passionate, has a partially semi-communal character, and a light version of Dagestan

      It can be seen that he speaks about the passionarity of the inhabitants of the memory, standing up to the point of view of the Americans, as it were, on behalf of the Americans. But with the word "well-known" the author simultaneously extends this information to his point of view. He goes on to prove that this is actually not the case.
      1. +1
        3 December 2014 09: 19
        andj61

        It can be seen that he speaks about the passionarity of the inhabitants of the memory, standing up to the point of view of the Americans, as it were, on behalf of the Americans. But with the word "well-known" the author simultaneously extends this information to his point of view. He goes on to prove that this is actually not the case.


        Nearly. It will be correct, he did not fully disclose his thought. The passionarity of "western Ukraine" meant the ease of rising to protests and self-organization. The mother and wives of the Westerners very effectively defended their gene pool in the summer of 2014. Almost the entire tribe came to the meeting. And in Nikolaev, protests were held exclusively for rotation and assistance to the warriors. Wives, children came, less often "wives + children + parents", and there was no "wife + mother + sisters + brothers + godfathers + grandmothers +

        grandfathers, + cousins, + matchmakers ..., etc. "
        1. +2
          3 December 2014 11: 51
          Ukraine will soon destroy itself, it remains to wait a little.
  5. +5
    3 December 2014 08: 26
    Well, what have young and not-so-young people found in this fascism to accept its ideology? whether the ideology of the USSR is the case: there are no oligarchs, there are no poor (especially especially for Ukraine) fascism was turned into mutton horn (so the fascists are not the coolest), they were the first people to go into space (these were smart), free housing, education and medicine ( everyone wants it), etc., etc. Glory to the USSR!
    1. +5
      3 December 2014 08: 38
      Quote: Cosmos1987
      Well, what have young and not-so-young people found in this fascism to accept its ideology? whether the ideology of the USSR is the case: there are no oligarchs, there are no poor (especially especially for Ukraine) fascism was turned into mutton horn (so the fascists are not the coolest), they were the first people to go into space (these were smart), free housing, education and medicine ( everyone wants it), etc., etc. Glory to the USSR!


      What is attractive? Consumption Now Ukraine is not classical fascism or Nazism as a textbook (God forbid, they will become independent, like Hitler's Germany), but consumer Nazi American nonalga. Everyone believes in building Poland No. 2, as in France No. 2 in 1991. But for this you need to shoot shovels and mosques ... which hamper the development of the country, its reforms, so to speak, the mainstream to the European future. That's the whole ideology of Russian-speaking maydanutyh citizens of Ukraine. They do not have a nationalist economic program. They are plasticine in the hands of the US State Department
    2. +11
      3 December 2014 08: 49
      Quote: Cosmos1987
      Well, what have young and not so young people found in this fascism to accept its ideology?

      Everything is very simple. A little man lives for himself ... education is below the plinth, abilities are not developed, there is no work, and if there is, then you need to POOL and perhaps in two jobs in order to just survive, but you want a rich, well-fed and luxurious life as on TV. He is perfectly aware of all this, but here they tell him "You are the best! You are the highest! And whoever does not recognize this is the enemy! He must be destroyed, or even better, made to work for himself!" And you're done! Moreover, they poked a finger at the enemies - quilted jackets + Russia, and even indicated a "high goal" - to defend their homeland, which Russia attacked. This is where everything comes from. And to study and work as in the USSR, but to admit that all people are equal - no-no! Moreover, they did not live under the PRESENT USSR!
      1. +2
        3 December 2014 10: 15
        Egoza
        Quote:
        "... education is below the plinth, abilities are not developed, there is no work, and if there is, then you need to POOL and maybe in two jobs in order to just survive, but you want a rich, well-fed and luxurious life as they show on TV"

        Do not you think that you have described a significant portion of site visitors.
        Time 10: 12, a few dozen comments.
        To remove unnecessary questions about yourself: more 20 years - a military retiree, and a few years - a civilian.
        I understand that I am drawing the wrath of idlers and ignoramuses.
        1. +2
          3 December 2014 10: 56
          And about different time zones you did not tell?
          1. 0
            3 December 2014 11: 04
            10 + 8 = 18 And ​​this is already Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. And, probably, little was told about arithmetic. and I said not about all, but about a considerable part. Why did it hurt you?
        2. 0
          3 December 2014 11: 07
          Quote: corn
          Time 10: 12, a few dozen comments.

          South Primorye. Exact time: 18: 08 ... hi
      2. CRP
        CRP
        0
        3 December 2014 10: 19
        It's funny to see how some deceived fanatics scold other deceived fanatics.
    3. +2
      3 December 2014 09: 07
      Quote: Cosmos1987
      Well, what have young and not-so-young people found in this fascism to accept its ideology? whether the ideology of the USSR is the case: there are no oligarchs, there are no poor (especially especially for Ukraine) fascism was turned into mutton horn (so the fascists are not the coolest), they were the first people to go into space (these were smart), free housing, education and medicine ( everyone wants it), etc., etc. Glory to the USSR!

      What did you find attractive?
      And the fact that people tend to identify with any nation. Due to the fact that the Russian national policy does not create a positive image of the Russian nation, Russians living abroad tend to join foreign national projects. In the case of Ukraine, ethnic Russians are recorded as Ukrainians. Plus, they become mankurts, which in turn explains their fanaticism and extreme Russophobia.
      1. +4
        3 December 2014 09: 47
        Quote: Tor Hummer
        In the case of Ukraine, ethnic Russians are recorded as Ukrainians.

        And children have been hammered into this since kindergarten! If you live in Ukraine, then you are Ukrainian! I remember arguing to the teeth with my granddaughter's first teacher. She began all lessons in the first grade with this slogan! And then I "redid" at home! All the same, I won. The granddaughter knows for sure that she is Russian. But many parents don't give a damn about it,
        1. +2
          3 December 2014 09: 57
          Quote: Egoza
          But many parents spit on it,

          parents are to blame for not taking care of their children. It is necessary to learn - otherwise others will teach.
        2. +1
          3 December 2014 11: 14
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: Tor Hummer
          In the case of Ukraine, ethnic Russians are recorded as Ukrainians.

          And children have been hammered into this since kindergarten! If you live in Ukraine, then you are Ukrainian! I remember arguing to the teeth with my granddaughter's first teacher. She began all lessons in the first grade with this slogan! And then I "redid" at home! All the same, I won. The granddaughter knows for sure that she is Russian. But many parents don't give a damn about it,

          There are plenty of examples when people in adulthood "signed up" as Ukrainians.
        3. 0
          3 December 2014 13: 18
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: Tor Hummer
          In the case of Ukraine, ethnic Russians are recorded as Ukrainians.

          And children have been hammered into this since kindergarten! If you live in Ukraine, then you are Ukrainian! I remember arguing to the teeth with my granddaughter's first teacher. She began all lessons in the first grade with this slogan! And then I "redid" at home! All the same, I won. The granddaughter knows for sure that she is Russian. But many parents don't give a damn about it,

          That's right, there was the same situation, but after the adoption of Russian citizenship there was a case when a teacher told my daughter at school that "grandfather Lenin was kind and loved children." I had to explain that her grandfather's name was not Vladimir Ilyich, but differently. At that time, unfortunately, he died 10 years ago, and the wife herself did not know anything else.
    4. 0
      3 December 2014 14: 33
      Quote: Cosmos1987
      whether the ideology of the USSR:

      And steal? And cheat? And show, sho you cooler neighbor? Of the entire Soviet past, only the role of ensign - head of prod. warehouse.
  6. +3
    3 December 2014 08: 35
    We can a little off topic, but we can. and in the subject:
    Soaring bonfires, a flame with a tire! We khokhlotsy - brothers monkey! Our girls - workers of the route, and deputies - completely homosexuals! The era of light years is approaching. With us Bandera! To earth be ready! Our soldiers died in the Donbass, their militants are at the militia. Crimea, we pissed away, Lugansk region, too, there will be Kharkov pro, it seems. The era of light years is approaching. With us Bandera! To earth be ready! (Folk art)
  7. Drunya
    +4
    3 December 2014 08: 37
    Ya.Kedmi. A year after the Maidan. Ukraine at the bottom
    A well-known military-political expert, ex-head of the Israeli special service "Nativ" Yakov Kedmi reflects on what Ukraine has "achieved" in the year that has passed since the second Maidan ..
    1. 0
      3 December 2014 13: 16
      A man is truly worthy of the fact that he managed a special service. The potential even in the status of an ex-head is at the highest level.
  8. +4
    3 December 2014 08: 39
    I don't know how close the author of the article is to the truth, but his position is understandable to me in many respects and there is no "cognitive dissonance" smile does not cause. Article plus. Information for consideration ....
    Expressed, by the way, in a very good style. I take the pseudonym "on a pencil" good
  9. +7
    3 December 2014 08: 44
    Sorry, that is not the topic. I do not want to create a separate one.

    Today, 01: 18
    According to the updated information, the explosion that thundered 20 minutes ago happened in the center of Odessa. Unknown persons blew up the Patriot souvenir shop, which sells "patriotic" goods, in particular, embroidered shirts, T-shirts "Putin PNKh", Ukrainian symbols and others.

    http://info-center.od.ua/ukrnet/20523-v-centre-odessy-vzorvali-magazin-patriot-s
    neslo-stenu-a-grohot-slyshalo-polgoroda-foto.html
    1. +2
      3 December 2014 10: 03
      Quote: Oldish
      Today, 01: 18
      According to updated information thundering 20 minutes ago, an explosion occurred in the center of Odessa

      I live in 5 minutes..but I haven't heard anything (rumored to be half the city, but look at the photo if there’s half the city of destruction)
      About Shop Patriot wrote - the network has appeared recently. Maybe she already got someone. In Odessa, it is still dumb to be both for the Russian Federation (not Russian, but simply for the Russian Federation) and for Ukraine (leavened patriotism is not welcome). Equally can.
      Moreover, the anger after May 2, coupled with the "success of the Maidan" and the war with the Russian Federation, embittered everyone against everyone.
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      2. 0
        3 December 2014 14: 36
        Quote: Cristall
        and the war with Russia--

        And what, already?
      3. 0
        3 December 2014 14: 59
        That's for sure! "Everything merged into one blood, sweat, tears." The Russians themselves do not understand that the Maidan gave the opportunity to many, and especially in the opinion formed by the "migrant workers", to express their attitude towards them, but which they themselves created. After all, the Russians, having received material priorities created by economic growth and Putin's wise policies, nevertheless repeated the mistakes of the same Poles, Hungarians, Slovaks. Western Ukrainians, in their simplicity, just want to live as normal as everyone else. Do not confuse the apologists of ideology with the common people. Someone constantly "spread rot" to them. Including "their Kiev". Can the whole nation be "Bandera"? This is stupid . But this is how it looks in the Russian media.
        And I will say on my own that on many issues it is very difficult to determine your position in relation to "ours" who started the war and are destroying their own people and the Russians, who have created a lot of prerequisites for conflict.
  10. +2
    3 December 2014 08: 48
    All true, all sad and for a long time. angry
  11. +6
    3 December 2014 08: 56
    the author is right that the Russian-speaking Banderites threaten the "true" Banderites. an amusing incident happened to Farion. She complained to one of the leaders of the "fighting squad" for speaking Russian, and a flurry of criticism from "the same thinkers" fell upon her for inciting ethnic hatred !!! The Galicians know very well that they themselves will not be able to win this war, and therefore they must use all their strength to attract and fool the Russian-speaking youth. And to promise them a heavenly life in Europe, and in general ... who will fight without them? It is better to send these idiots to the ATO while the Hrytsy and Mykols are at home. And then too many 200x came to the memory.
  12. +2
    3 December 2014 08: 57
    If a person is a stupid bull, then what difference - Ukrainian or Russian - I do not respect those and others, but at the same time I understand that it is not their misfortune - they are simply the product of the society in which they were born and raised!
  13. +2
    3 December 2014 09: 06
    It's always scary when a brother goes against a brother. In my opinion, here everyone decides for himself why he is ready to lay his head for the truth or for the opportunity to consume. And it does not matter at all whether you are Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Kalmyk or Kazakh. Here a lot depends on what you brought up, I can never call Bandera and Vlasov heroes, no matter what kind of power comes. But yes, in 45, the Red Army did liberate Europe from fascism, but it spread communism. I consider the famine a disaster not only for Ukrainians, but also a disaster for the whole of Russia.
    1. +3
      3 December 2014 09: 41
      Quote: Dimkin
      in 45, the red army really liberated Europe from fascism, but put communism

      You're so vain .... No. ... Fascism, or rather its branch - National Socialism, meant the rule of one race over others. Territories were seized for the distribution of land and slaves from among the local population to the "masters".
      The USSR did not capture any countries and did not make slaves from the local population. I don't know what he "planted" there, but what is absolutely certain - the Poles came to power in Poland, the Czechs and Slovaks in Czechoslovakia ... and so on. etc. Their once pro-communist views were not liked by the West and you personally? However, the majority in the territories supported them. Socialism was not brought there on bayonets and bombers (unlike Anglo-Saxon "democracy", that's a hotbed!). How can you compare the National Socialist Hitlerite fascism and the socialist INDEPENDENT choice of some European countries? Even America was one step away from the socialist revolution (the USSR became so popular all over the world in 1945), draconian repressions, including murders and massacres, were used by the American elite to cope with this "threat", a hunt was announced for the "communists" in the USA .... This is a planting! Just what ...?
      1. -1
        3 December 2014 11: 30
        Quite right, national elites came to power, but what is the question? Pro-communist, those who openly supported the Union. Indeed, we didn’t carry "communism bomabami", but we didn’t ask the opinion of the people of these countries. Or, in your opinion, the Yalta conference at which the issue of the division of Europe was decided was a voluntary opinion of the countries? Then what the Union did was create a belt of the Sotelite states (Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria). Yes, maybe someone was not against it, but for example Poland definitely wanted freedom, not only on paper, but also in fact. If, after the end of the Second World War, we would have freed Europe from fascism, given them the right to choose, now we might have more friends. You are talking about independent choice, but forgive me, but where was it? For some reason nothing comes to my mind. Having written about draconian repression and misconception in America, have you forgotten how the Bolsheviks cleaned out all dissent after coming to power? Forgot the purges of the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries? Or have you forgotten 39? So at least it is controversial to talk about draconian repression in America when this happened for themselves. And let me not remind you of how the Nazis came to power in Germany.
        1. dmb
          +1
          3 December 2014 12: 09
          In your list of "not asked peoples" I am confused by the GDR and Hungary. Add Romania to them, and answer the question, what did these peoples do on our territory. At the same time, please note that the Finnish people lived the way they wanted. for apparently there was a certainty that there were bases of other "peoples" on their territory. directed against us will not be. But as for Hungary or Poland, there was no such confidence, which, in fact, confirms today. For more than 25 years, neither they nor we have a smell of socialism, and the entire "free choice" of the peoples of the countries you listed is to join NATO long before Crimea. As for the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries, it is worth remembering that these gentlemen were very far from being "fluffy." Look at the data on the number of those executed by them during the riots in Moscow and Rybinsk. Is it any wonder that the authorities, having liquidated the rebellion, paid tribute to them.
          1. -1
            3 December 2014 13: 07
            As for the Finns, there is much that is not unambiguous: firstly, they fought against the Union solely for the return of lost territories, and secondly, after the defeat, they immediately started talking about their non-aligned status. In my opinion, this is precisely what caused the fact that they did not try to bring anything. As for Poland, let's not forget the fact that just before the start of the Second World War, its partition took place, and even during the time of the Empire, the Poles were not particularly happy. As for the "fluffiness" of the Socialist-Revolutionaries, let's not forget that the tyazhs have always been suppressed quite roughly, and it is completely different to suppress in peacetime all those who try to say something against or even admit the idea that the ruling power is mistaken.
            1. dmb
              +2
              3 December 2014 14: 35
              YOU contradict yourself. I don’t care what the Hungarians and Germans wanted. They came to our house in war, and we did everything (including the support of the communist governments, so that they could not come again with the same British and Americans. There would be no such confidence in the Finns, and our troops would be there. Today our there are no troops and about communist regimes there. Have they become our friends? Or does NATO exist exclusively because of North Korea? Don't be cunning. As for the "peaceful" SRs, I should remind you how the "exchange of views" ended for the country. in the late 80s. The foregoing does not mean at all that Stalin should be kissed in all places, for he has already said that there is also his “merit” in the death of the country in 1991. By the way, do you have your own vision of the development of events that would allow live in paradise after February 1917 is there?
              1. 0
                3 December 2014 17: 09
                Of course, I am interested in you to spit on the opinions of the peoples, but you put your own above all. Nothing like? As for NATO, in my opinion, its creation is due to the appetites of the Union to bring everyone to communism with socialism. Yes, I have an opinion on the events of February 1917.
                1. dmb
                  -1
                  3 December 2014 21: 32
                  Distorted again. I do not care about the opinion of the peoples who came to my house with the war, they destroyed millions of my fellow citizens, robbed the survivors, and now also hayat my loved ones, who turned their necks. That is why, supporting the communist governments in their countries, my state first of all thought about my people, and then about them. It is worth reminding you that these are allies, and not we conducted separate negotiations with Hitler, that it was they who created NATO before that, and that their bases appeared around our borders, and not vice versa. Judging by your comments on the Soviet education Arias, everything I said for you is not news. With this in mind, I can safely say you are an enemy of my country and of my people. And this is not a label, but a reality.
                  1. 0
                    4 December 2014 09: 31
                    And we did not come to them with the war? We did not suppress their raptures? One can argue for a long time who and what owes and in dispute truth is born but to argue with such a narrow-minded person as you are meaningless. With a friend of Russia like you and the enemies do not. You put your safety above, you do not care about the safety of others, ask yourself a question and they do not care about your safety? No offense but in mind you went no farther than the crowd on the Maidan.
          2. +1
            3 December 2014 14: 33
            Quote: dmb
            In your list of "not asked peoples" I am confused by the GDR and Hungary. Add to them more Romania, and answer the question of what these peoples were doing on our territory.
            Otvetka flew. That grandchildren came to ask for grandfathers. Apparently, the Hungarians also do not forget the old debts.
            At the time, the Republic of Ingushetia suppressed the Hungarian uprising (1848 — 1849). In the historical memory and self-consciousness of the Hungarians, the uprising 48 / 49. occupies the same place as our Great Patriotic War. And, the Hungarians, as we know, readily stood on the side of the opponents of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR ..
            It was the suppression of the Hungarians in their war of independence that led to the fact that among all the subjects of Franz Joseph, there were no longer more fierce enemies of Russia than the Hungarians.
            Speaking to Adjutant General Count Rzhevuski, a Polish native, he asked him: “Who of the Polish kings, in your opinion, was the most stupid? .. I will tell you,” he continued, “that the stupidest Polish king was Jan Sobessky, because he freed Vienna from the Turks. And the stupidest of Russian sovereigns is me, because I helped the Austrians put down the Hungarian insurgency. ”
            1. dmb
              0
              3 December 2014 14: 39
              Are Germans and Romanians also otvetka? Didn't they start answering too late? And why did they answer us, and not the same Germans or Austrians?
              1. +1
                3 December 2014 14: 54
                Quote: dmb
                They came to our home with war
                So Duc and the troops of the Republic of Ingushetia entered their home.
                Quote: dmb
                Is it too late to begin to respond?
                At the first opportunity that appeared.
                Quote: dmb
                And why did they respond to us, and not the same Germans or Austrians?
                For the Austrians, they were still in 1848 / 49.
                Probably because it was the Russian troops that played the decisive role in suppressing the Hungarian uprising.
                And by the way, the behavior of the Hungarians causes more respect than the Czechs in 1938 and 1968.
        2. 0
          3 December 2014 13: 37
          Quote: Dimkin
          Indeed, we didn’t carry "communism bomabami", but we didn’t ask the opinion of the people of these countries. Or, in your opinion, the Yalta conference at which the issue of the division of Europe was decided was a voluntary opinion of the countries?

          at the Yalta Conference, the question of division was decided not only by Stalin. There, purely by chance, Churchill and Roosevelt got in the way. They also, in your opinion, "planted" communism "in Eastern Europe? If so, why only blame the USSR? And in Western Europe, in your opinion, Stalin planted capitalism .... (if Churchill and Roosevelt had nothing to do with the section smile ). You are right on the Ukropskiy textbook "istorii" argue: "all the countries that built socialism, did it because of the occupation of their territories by Russians, who imposed communism ....". Yeah ... Russian soldiers were sitting in Ukrop village councils, in the morning they built socialism, and in the afternoon they shot poor Ukrainians ...
          1. 0
            3 December 2014 17: 19
            I do not remove the responsibility of all the participants of that conference, but unlike Rulvelt and Cherchel, Stalin had an enormous weight, by that time it was finally clear that the end of Nazi Germany. Why did Stalin not want to invite all allies to allow the liberated countries to choose their own path of development? And you say that I argue right on the Ukropsky textbook, then answer how quickly the communist regimes collapsed in the ATS countries, immediately after the collapse of the Union. No, of course I could be wrong, but if you imagine that people are happy in communism, wouldn't they run to look for something else? And I will answer you. I held a lot of history textbooks in my hands, but the ukropsky did not happen, there were Russians, English, Spanish.
    2. 0
      3 December 2014 14: 45
      Quote: Dimkin
      the red army really liberated Europe from fascism, but it spread communism. I consider the famine a disaster not only of Ukrainians, but a disaster of the whole of Russia.

      Sorry for the immodest question - how old are you? A kind of heroic in the written, it seems like they came out of the mainstream and demonstrate. In general, it is clear that the Holodomor theme is no better and no worse than all the other themes that "expose" the bloody gebnya and the fighters of 140 million weavers - the daughters of Nikolayev (ie Nicholas 1) soldiers. 23 years old was right to spit on their own history. And if a cookie is given for this, then it is framed, like a certificate of honor for rejecting one's own history.
      1. +1
        3 December 2014 16: 38
        Do not worry, I was born under the Union and finished school too, unfortunately with the university did not work, already under the Russian Federation. At work I travel a lot around the world, I have something to compare with. My opinion was always based on facts, because I like to ask not convenient questions and when I, like everyone else, were hammered in, that only aristocrats and obmatunny peasants fought for whites, I asked the question for which my parents were called to the carpet.
        1. -1
          4 December 2014 17: 47
          Quote: Dimkin
          Don't worry, I was born under the Union and finished school too

          Why should I worry? I just wonder how a forty year old man has so much childish maximalism. Live up to 120 years and beyond - you need to grow up sometime.
  14. +1
    3 December 2014 09: 16
    I recognize the hand of Nevsky.
  15. 0
    3 December 2014 09: 41
    It is necessary for these Russian-speaking ziggers to burn out the entire plan "Ost" on the body in small print! To know what their idol was preparing for them!
  16. 0
    3 December 2014 09: 45
    These pictures are for the European Parliament, as well as on the table of Merkel and other mongrels and slut! Our diplomats need to ensure that politicians like Sarah Wagenknecht and Marine Le Pen receive this "bomb"!
  17. +2
    3 December 2014 09: 46
    "Galicia ... The region is not small, almost 10 million people."
    I have always asked myself a question and many svidom - 45 million Ukrainians who counted them, where does the figure come from. According to the 2001 Ukrainian census, the number of Ukrainians is 48,5 million. According to Ukrstat, as of October 2014, 42,8 million. As you know, there is a lie, there is a huge lie, but there are statistics. Believe these 2 numbers, I consider it a huge stupidity. I left Ukraine back in 2005. I became a citizen of Russia, having fulfilled all legal requirements. According to Russian law, I wrote a registered letter to the Ukrainian embassy with a request to revoke my citizenship, because I moved to Russia for permanent residence. He presented a receipt of the letter to the FMS and received a passport of a Russian citizen. According to the law of Ukraine, this letter is not a reason for deprivation of citizenship. The foreign passport of Ukraine remained in my hands, nominally I am still a citizen of Ukraine (before Yulia congratulated on the holidays, then, probably, the tension with the paper began - it stopped. And then I even got an invitation to the elections of Piglet). When asked to the head of the FMS, saying that I am violating the law on dual citizenship, I received an answer that you consider yourself the smartest. Yes, there are millions of such "Ukrainians" in Russia. And if we take into account those who left for Portugal, Italy (there are acquaintances), then a funny figure is typed. And now even more. What is the real figure - we will never know. After all, then you will have to mutter for a long time and indistinctly to that very European Union, explaining why such a large number of population suddenly “disappeared” from a prosperous “European country” and where did it go. Well, there is no way to send them to visit relatives in nearby countries, like to Russia from Donbass
    1. 0
      3 December 2014 10: 17
      It turns out that you and there, and then counted! Great!
      Figures are deceptive - I was convinced of this from my own experience; about this rightly spoke Disraeli: "There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics."
      - Mark Twain, 5 July 1907
      1. 0
        3 December 2014 14: 23
        totally agree with you to the last word.
    2. +2
      3 December 2014 10: 44
      I also thought about this issue. The same Crimea with Novorossia about 10 million. The same amount went to Russia and other countries. With the deterioration of the situation is also expected not sickly migration. There is an assumption that there is a system of additions for stealing pensions and benefits for people who do not live there. And it began in those years when Russians copied Russians to Ukrainians without the consent of citizens.
  18. pahom54
    +5
    3 December 2014 09: 57
    Having served in Western Ukraine for about a dozen years, even though it was a long time ago, even now I fully agree with the author of the article in assessing zapadentsev ... By nature, they are hard workers and traffickers with evil languages ​​in Russian — BUT not warriors ... As policemen, bullying a strong over a defenseless person - this is YES, but not participating in open battle ...
    So the Russian-speaking demon-possessed fascists are much more dangerous than the slave by birth, who simply hates his master, but works to get at least a little bit of profit ... By the way, the author has gone too far about drinking in their midst ...
    What are you talking about? Yes, about the difference between Russian-speaking and Ukrainian-speaking fascists ...
    The whole problem has not yet revealed itself, since, having fought and forgotten how to work (build), all this foam no longer finds itself in peaceful labor, and they no longer need peace ... But under the guise of a struggle for ideals, robbery, looting and the like are committed ... Pure Makhnovshchina and criminality ... And it will continue for a long time, until someone with a sharp hand stops this rampage, both Russian-speaking and speaking surzhik ...
    1. 0
      3 December 2014 11: 41
      I fully support here - there was a long experience of communication "a very long time ago" ...
  19. 0
    3 December 2014 09: 59
    Quotes from the article:
    "Their area is those cities of Ukraine where the industry with the real sector of the economy is least represented"
    "In descending order of the degree of infection, excluding Donbass and Crimea: Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Kharkov."

    Is Dnepropetrovsk not an industrial city?
    And the little remark is not "in order, but in order".
    1. 0
      3 December 2014 10: 13
      Quote: corn
      Quotes from the article:
      "Their area is those cities of Ukraine where the industry with the real sector of the economy is least represented"
      "In descending order of the degree of infection, excluding Donbass and Crimea: Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Kharkov."

      Is Dnepropetrovsk not an industrial city?
      And the little remark is not "in order, but in order".


      For this, I asked to read my previous publications. There I painted very well for Dnepropetrovsk. By mistake, I agreed, I slipped.

      You force me to go back to past articles, instead of reading them yourself. In Dnepropetrovsk and not only, only an excerpt:

      So why the industrial Donbass fights, and Zaporozhye lay under the "Svidomo"? Why was Kharkov blown away? Really strange is the situation in Zaporizhia, where the population is almost 850 thousands of the population, where the native language is Russian, and where forgive me - the plant in the factory.

      Here it is impossible to consider the city without a link with Dnepropetrovsk. The city, which almost did not lose a million people, but decently lost itself in the industrial potential, but found itself in the banking and financial sector, in the office.

      The city, which is located in 65 km from Zaporozhye, and plays the role of Jupiter. Of course, one can recall the pride of Ukraine, namely, involvement in the space sphere, this is the enterprise YuZHMASH. However, all this is distributed in production with another, but a small town in the Dnipropetrovsk region - Pavlograd.

      We don’t touch the topic of politics and big business, we are interested in the minds and consciousness of people. About the influence of the oligarch Kolomoisky and his army "ultras" on the neighboring Zaporozhye, we have long known from news releases.

      Dnepropetrovsk, despite the dominance of the Russian-speaking, in the near future (imagine that there was no Maidan), the fate of Kiev, which lost its Russian-speaking image as early as the end of 90-s, Western Ukraine, will suffer.

      But the Galicians will not come to the Dnieper, they will come there from the farms and regional centers of the region itself, as well as from the neighboring regions, where not only “surzhik” already dominates, but also the Ukrainian language. After all, the western part of the Dnipropetrovsk region can hardly be counted among the New Russia. In small towns, more often you can hear Surzhik and Ukrainian, as well as entirely in the neighboring Kirovograd, despite this formidable Soviet name. All this puts an imprint on the appearance of the city.

      A good measure and indicator in this matter are local advertising signs that are not concerned with administration in terms of the language of filling. For example, according to my personal observations in the city of Krivoy Rog, Dnipropetrovsk region, local advertising signs in the Ukrainian language already dominate over the Russian-speaking ones.

      The same situation in Kirovograd is in the neighboring regional center. In Dnipropetrovsk, the situation is 50 / 50, which is absolutely wild for Kharkov and Donetsk !!! No entrepreneur at a local advertising agency will order a Ukrainian signboard.

      Returning to Zaporozhye, I admit that it is not enough just one influence from both Kolomoisky and the most frequent migration of people from Dnepropetrovsk.

      Here, the industrial mentality plays a cruel joke with the working Russian-speaking class - a discipline for the owner, fear for the workplace. If we analyze the local Internet environment, namely by the classic groups “Typical adequate Zaporizhia”, then by monitoring it can be seen that healthy Russian forces dominate there.

      Therefore, only a set of reasons: lack of organization, the proximity of Dnepropetrovsk and local big business, remoteness of the front and industrial discipline - does not give a place and time to Russian riots. All hope for the deterioration of the Ukrainian economy and the complete closure of the Russian market
    2. 0
      3 December 2014 10: 18
      Is Dnepropetrovsk not an industrial city?


      Read this article as well.

      http://topwar.ru/40166-dnepropetrovsk-bolshe-ne-russkiy-gorod.html
  20. tankist1952
    +1
    3 December 2014 10: 06
    Ukraine is not yet a state and what it will be and whether it will be known at all. Any new education on the world map passed through the flow of blood and dirt, and the power of these flows will depend on the environment around the emerging state.
  21. -5
    3 December 2014 10: 10
    The author is somewhere right, but basically this is his personal opinion.
    As before, Russians have the opinion that the Westerners are to blame for everything ..
    I repeat yes they muddy water. They are the first in all nationalistic and patriotic.
    But they do not decide. Solve the CO and SE. Slower Russian-speaking or half-areas of weight in the economy.
    I warned that the conflict will affect everyone - and the Russian-speaking people will fight with the Russians. And described why.
    And then what are the versions of such global .. of course I have some kind of zapadenets poured nationalism? I couldn’t even be able to pour in with Soviet education even in Lviv (we didn’t try)
    just the Soviet education does not allow me to skip-RF law in everything. Ukraine must endure and surrender. Soviet education forced to seek the truth-and the truth is not on the side of the Russian Federation.
    And "Bandera" is already an element of the information war. This word is easy to describe Russian-speakers against the policy of the Russian Federation.
    They say they are all Bandera..fashistyak ... although a year ago they might have wanted to in TS.I welcomed the Russian spring and even participated in anti-Maidan.
    But the Russian Federation chose the Crimea — and the Ukrainians became the Fascists — because they did not want to be patient.
    1. +1
      3 December 2014 10: 45
      Cristall
      I grew up in Ukraine.
      Now I am not about Russians, but about Ukrainians.
      Yes, they were not terpily, did not want to wait half a year, having saved the Crimea, 285 bucks for gas and not to have a slaughterhouse in Lugansk and Donetsk.
      For me personally, the Ukrainians did not become fascists.
      Tell me what Ukraine had to endure before the start of 2014.
    2. +4
      3 December 2014 10: 54
      Quote: Cristall
      just the Soviet education does not allow me to skip-RF law in everything. Ukraine must endure and surrender. Soviet education forced to seek the truth-and the truth is not on the side of the Russian Federation.

      ----------------------------------
      You are now apparently describing the boxing match, as I understand it ... And where is the RF? That is, sending shells to hospitals is true, but a humanitarian convoy is not true? So what? To crowd a journalist girl or a singer's concert hall is also an element of Ukrainian truth? Successes to you on the fields of the info warrant! Continue the shadow fight!
    3. +1
      3 December 2014 10: 59
      Watching videos with prisoners of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and other Nazi riffraff, we see that they all were deceived as one, they did not know that they were killing civilians, fighting against terrorists, etc. All the time I saw only one who was convinced that he was right! from Chechnya, there we fought against men! They were ready to take a bite for your throat! And they all mobilized as one, did not know what they would get to the front, etc. Vlasov had the same number of them, a whole army of traitors!
    4. +6
      3 December 2014 11: 07
      And nothing that this is the Crimea chose Russia, and not vice versa? You are dominated by the American approach to this issue in the spirit of the fact that the autonomous republic is a piece of sugar that can be given or taken away. And this is, first of all, people who have chosen their own path. I have been to Crimea two years ago, now I communicate with many people from there - the message is always the same - we want to go to Russia. Whether residents of Ukraine like it or not - but this is a fact with which it is useless to argue. And in which no one who has ever been there, will no longer doubt ...
      Not to mention the fact that after the unlawful overthrow of the president, no one was obliged to obey this power and its orders. I chose my president, I took the Military Oath to this state in which I live, and if tomorrow, instead of the president I have chosen, they show me some kind of swine creature with an American flag in hand, I will not obey him, and so-called. the "laws" that it prints. Moreover, I will go to war with him, because according to the Oath, I swore "not sparing health and even life itself to defend Freedom and Independence, the constitutional order, the People and the Fatherland."
    5. 0
      3 December 2014 11: 11
      http://politobzor.net/37908-v-kieve-otkrylas-rusofobskaya-vystavka-ubey-kolorada
      .html
      this means that "not all fascists" ... not at all, we again misinterpreted everything, apparently ...
    6. 0
      3 December 2014 12: 10
      Quote: Cristall
      But the Russian Federation chose the Crimea — and the Ukrainians became the Fascists — because they did not want to be patient.


      Unfortunately, you will have to become terpila. Your manager, Mr. Poroshenko, signed the decree on the privatization of your country, Ukraine, by Western agents, which means that now you and your children belong to Western managers. I doubt very much that they will care about the fate of the Ukrainian population. Now they will decide how you live, how much population of Ukraine they need to serve them, and with their "correct", Westernizing laws, they will find a way to reduce its number. Your gold and foreign exchange reserves are already in the vaults of the United States at the suggestion of Yatsenyuk, taken on bail, in exchange for green papers, taken on credit to destroy your country. So, all your attempts boil down to accusing Russia of trying to preserve at least a part of independent Ukraine in the person of Crimea and Donbass by its actions, provoked by the West. Exactly what they wanted on the Maidan.
    7. 0
      3 December 2014 14: 38
      You are too exaggerated, in relation to your personally chosen landmarks, form your attitude to the situation. I was personally born and raised in Western Ukraine, now and for quite a long time I live in Odessa. So I have the opinion that there is conjugation everywhere and rather a latent confrontation of worldviews. That in western Ukraine, that in Odessa, that in Russia, most people do not know the laws of political games, but everyone is promoting their opinion. But politics is primarily the art of provocation. intrigue. behind-the-scenes separate agreements and much more. And someone thinks that everything is "sewn with white threads." The crowd, in its individuality of each, imagined that these games of politicians could be so easily understood. There is no such thing. I will also add that everything is happening against the background of the global interests of such players who are hiding behind the empirical form - Russians, Americans, etc.
      Output . Smart people can be seen in the way they analyze the current situation and how they model the future. And fools "bait" everything on emotions. Unfortunately, there are not many such smart ones, and the fools will "tear their forelocks" to each other and will always remain deceived and dissatisfied.
      1. +1
        3 December 2014 15: 20
        Quote: gridasov
        You are too exaggerated, in relation to you personally chosen landmarks, form your attitude to the situation. I was personally born and raised in Western Ukraine, now and for quite a long time I live in Odessa.

        --------------------------
        Dear, when there is a hot phase of the war and real shells are flying, then you need to understand the situation "exaggerated", and with all the intricacies of intrigue, behind-the-scenes games will no longer work. Because war is war, it is unambiguous attack and defense. Why does Ukraine need Donbass and Crimea, which are no longer de facto Ukrainian "intricacies", too, cannot be explained. Intricacies can explain something else - sanctions, the collapse of the ruble, although these are also elements of open war. Now Putin plays all over the map, Turkey instead of Bulgaria, China instead of Europe, Latin America instead of the United States. He does everything right, demonstrating that Russia has supporters and is not alone. Ukraine has unequivocally sided with the United States and is even ready to declare itself its colony, joining all Atlantic structures and hiring import ministers, but has not yet received an engagement. What else do you mean by "intrigue" is difficult to judge. Ukraine is a new project of the "Iron Curtain" only from the side of the Atlanticists.
  22. +2
    3 December 2014 10: 49
    As for the Russian-speaking Svidomo horses, in general, I agree, because I talked with a girl from Lviv. Absolutely no aggression, and all her thoughts are about work, and on TV she watches movies, not news. This is not an indicator, of course, but I just mean that it seems to me that practical people live there and long ago realized that the Maidan nonsense by itself, and "zrobitki" is sacred and switched to them, leaving rEvolution to rEvolutionaries ...
  23. +3
    3 December 2014 11: 03
    Quote: andj61
    And the pendulum swung in the other direction.


    Strange as it is, we didn’t take it to ourselves, then we will run to the other side. It turns out again that someone will come and do everything for me. And I also poobezhuyus- here you made me a fascist. As it is not so.
  24. Quantum
    0
    3 December 2014 11: 53
    Another one is broken? Isn’t it better, maybe to take everything in hand
    weapon and fight against junta?
  25. 0
    3 December 2014 11: 56
    I don't agree with everything, but much is true. Observers overestimate the capabilities of the "local" population - without direct management and direct funding, any billions directed to the revolution would be lost in the Ruin, which confirms today the appointment of UA to the Ministry of Finance. Plus nationalist technologies - effective and inexpensive - allow looting - and they already feed themselves, and whether the Russian language, embroidered shirt or quilted jacket - this is only needed to separate competitors, in fact there is a very flexible approach!
  26. 0
    3 December 2014 12: 32
    Quote: Cristall
    Either you are terpily, the fascists are not given a third!
    These are VO words for people like us ...
    well, you are talking about "Russian-speaking Bandera" ..
    I get this - but I was made like this by VO .. and not some kind of Ukrainian propaganda (I do not watch TV)

    In some ways, Cristall is right, but it reminds me more of a werewolf, in such a short period of time to change his beliefs ... it is necessary to be in the thick of things, or he had everything so clear before that. And what about the urakayuschihs and hats, yes there is such a thing in HE, but you need to understand that our contingent does not all have the same thinking and temperament, I think some people will first smash their faces, and then they will figure out what's what and therefore everyone expresses their opinion As for Ukraine and Ukrainians, we have two of them, one in which there are those whom we love and respect, who have not lost Russian roots, and those who are PREDATORS who need to be crushed, who have nothing sacred, that's what we are poisoned as we can and everyone in HE perfectly understands It is directed ... Something like this ...
  27. 0
    3 December 2014 12: 41
    parasites they are parasites !!
  28. 0
    3 December 2014 12: 55
    "Great", "Democratic", "Ev
    Ropeyskaya ", and most importantly" INDEPENDENT "Ukrainian girl ...
  29. 0
    3 December 2014 13: 00
    Banderlog begin to change the color of the outer color, they say it’s not us that are Russian-speaking, lying animals are you and your leaders on the Huntomaydan, you were serfs and they remained, only the slave speak the language of the owner and scold him in a quiet one.
  30. Altaihan
    0
    3 December 2014 13: 01
    And I am with you ...
    You will not be able to leave alone and, moreover, will not be able to leave unnoticed. I have long been waiting for someone who will call us back to the USSR. I am waiting for him, because I think if he calls us, it means he knows the road for sure. I, too, fell out like you. I got up and wanted to be in operation, but I looked at this system. And he stopped seeing his people in him. I stopped seeing people. I'm not in the ranks, I'm somewhere nearby. I ... Where am I? Find me and take me back. I can not here. I know where I was in the Soviet past. I know who I was in the past. I remember every day from the past. I remember all the good and bad. And I don't remember anything later. Twenty years of unconsciousness. Some scraps: coupons, coupons, privatization checks, default, inflation, bad (but you can live), really bad (but you have to live), nothing again, reforms, reforms ... There are many of us: who are still moving along the road of development for some reason . And goes on the road leading to nowhere.
    And if earlier we were building a bright future, now we are selling our heroic past diligently. Now we are not called to build this brightest future, but they also sell the past slowly without us. That's how we wander. Our questions: “Where are we going?” And “What is ahead?” No one can answer us more often. And especially annoying explain that life ahead of European standards awaits us. What is meant by this and when exactly this most European-standard life will come - no one can intelligibly answer. In the meantime, of all the euro, we only have euro sockets and euro tariffs and the euro itself. Everything else is not suitable for the euro.
    I do not want to live by European standards. I will return, and I will live according to Soviet laws. I will live according to my conscience. I will stand in line at regular stores. Buy blue chickens and sausages for coupons. It does not demean me at all. I dream to buy things with a state quality mark. And the products are made according to GOST, and not according to the ISO9001 system. And most of all I dream to see the inscription “Made in the USSR”. That's when I'll pay for sure.
    ***
  31. Altaihan
    +1
    3 December 2014 13: 02
    I initially ran in a crowd. More precisely in the pack. Everyone in her has already squinted at the runner's side so that he will not pass him. And I ran with everyone. It was hard, but he believed promises that everything would be fine. We will carry out reforms. And all will be well. Investments will flow like a river. Everything is being modernized. Everything is being reformed. Earn and shine. And I, inspired by hope, ran on. But I am tired of reform. I want to go back and build, not rebuild. From everywhere: from the TV screen, from newspapers, magazines and new textbooks frighten me with the past, apparently trying to overpower our fear in the present and anxiety for the future. They frighten repressions, gulags, the KGB, the NKVD, penal battalions, collective farms, workdays, queues, shortages and coupons for sausage. They scare for a long time, and more recently. And I want to say: "Do not scare me with MOTHERLAND."
    I will be back in the USSR. I'll be back home. Walk on native streets. Walk on their native land. Where are still together, where there is no malice and hatred. Walk through the country of fraternal peoples, the country comrades. And tell them about the next 20 years of darkness. I do not believe. This is impossible to believe. As proof, I will show them only one of our today's news releases - and they will be horrified. And I will look at the small Novodvorskaya, Kasparov, etc. I will look to understand what had to be done with them in order to grow such. I will work at any job. I will work at the factory, in the field, at school, at construction sites. I will raise children. I will work for days. I will not grumble. Not a single word about fatigue you will not hear from me.
    I will write out a bunch of magazines and newspapers for 70 rubles (per year !!!). Every day I will read the newspaper “Trud”, and once a month the magazine “Peasant Woman” and “Health”. My children will be waiting for the new issue of the magazine "Pioneer", "Murzilka", "Funny Pictures", "Young Technician". And I will buy books. And I agree to stand in line with them. But this is not the main thing. And most importantly - I will have time to read them.
    I will become a member of the Komsomol. Because at one time I failed. True, I tried, but it was canceled. And the people began to leave the party and the Komsomol. And then I suddenly felt ashamed of our betrayal. From libraries, piles were carried to the vaults of the books of Marx and Lenin. And even then I was tormented by vague doubts, but didn’t we hurry.
  32. Altaihan
    +3
    3 December 2014 13: 03
    Hurry up. Did not think. I often thought, why did we not then stand up for the defense of the USSR? Why we did not do anything then. Why we did not hesitate then? How not felt betrayal? How did not recognize the enemies and traitors? And who is the enemy for me? The enemy for me is a stranger. The enemy for me is an external threat. This is where our main mistake lies: we have forgotten that there are internal enemies as well. We did not expect danger from within. We did not expect treachery inside. Moreover, they did not expect betrayal from the leadership. The Soviet people 70 years built the people's state. He built himself. He built stubbornly and selflessly. Built tirelessly. He worked and fought without sparing himself, without whining and grumbling. He trusted his country and his leadership. And the leadership did not let their people. We did not let the real communists. Those first communists who passed the test of firmness, courage and dedication were still in the royal prisons and exiles. The real communists who built with their people. Real communists who fought with their people. Real communists who were from the people. Real communists who volunteered for the front.
    I will join the Communist Party if the comrades decide that I am worthy. I will attend all meetings. Go to the demonstration. Voluntarily without reminders and in the forefront. I will go on Saturday. I will carry out any social work that will be assigned to me. And I will step forward if need be. We will return and no longer turn off the path. We are different. We have gone through a purgatory of 20 years. We will return and we will firmly remember that we are on the right path of the present to a bright future.
    I'll be back right now. I can no longer here. I choke on gloom and hopelessness. I will return to the MOTHERLAND. Gather in an armful of children and parents and come back. Only them, I won't take anything from here anymore. I don’t need anything from what I have today. I had everything there. We were told that we had nothing there. But this is not true. We had everything that a person needed: love and friendship, honor and conscience, respect and dignity. And most importantly - we had a homeland. I'll be back, walk through the streets of my own. I look at the faces of people who are familiar and unfamiliar, but relatives. There will be no advertising, stupid billboards, banners and plastic bottles around. I will see posters "Peace - Peace", "Peace - Labor - May". And I understand that I'm at home.
    ***
    I'll be back. Right now. The darkness will dissipate around me. And the present will be clear, and the future will be bright. And everything will be easy. It will be just a job. Just study. Just a friendship. Just love. Just without anger. Just without hate. Just without envy. Just without double meaning. Just be life. Do not leave without me ...
  33. 0
    3 December 2014 15: 42
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Compassion is the source of strength and weakness of the Russian people. Believe in the resort consumer-torgashevskoy Odessa, many have forgotten what it is.

    I support. Strongly said! good
  34. SAA
    +1
    3 December 2014 16: 10
    Good article. Of course, I do not quite agree with her, but the main thing is that there are people with their opinions.
  35. +1
    3 December 2014 16: 28
    Quote: Dryuya
    Ya.Kedmi. A year after the Maidan. Ukraine at the bottom
    A well-known military-political expert, ex-head of the Israeli special service "Nativ" Yakov Kedmi reflects on what Ukraine has "achieved" in the year that has passed since the second Maidan ..
    All the same, we must sometimes listen to the opinion smart the Jews!
    1. nvv
      nvv
      0
      3 December 2014 17: 02
      Quote: yugv-xnumx
      All the same, we must sometimes listen to the opinion of intelligent Jews

      Never listen. A Jew, even if it is pernet, is only at interest. And about China, this is an alternate aerodrome. It’s not possible for Jews to gain a foothold in Russia, then China. Watch it.
    2. nvv
      nvv
      0
      3 December 2014 17: 07
      Quote: yugv-xnumx
      All the same, we must sometimes listen to the opinion of smart Jews!

      Do not believe the Jews. They do not even pern without a percentage. And China, this is a spare airfield. It will not be possible to settle in Russia, until China.
  36. +1
    3 December 2014 17: 41
    From western Ukraine. For systematic and deep work, knowledge of the subject, which says - author respect.
    ZY. Last Sunday at Veche, 10 people came to the central square of the city (local Maidan). At a temperature of - 2.
  37. 3axap
    0
    3 December 2014 20: 54
    At the time, the Republic of Ingushetia suppressed the Hungarian uprising (1848 — 1849). In the historical memory and self-consciousness of the Hungarians, the uprising 48 / 49. occupies the same place as our Great Patriotic War. And, the Hungarians, as we know, readily stood on the side of the opponents of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR ..
    So can RI suppressed metezh. as she remembered who came to her in a place with Napoleon.