Russian Strizh pistol failed a test?

TsNIItochmash General Director Dmitry Semizorov said that the Swift pistol, which, according to the developers, was to be the main short-barreled weapons in the Russian Armed Forces, failed the tests at the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering, refusing to work on the first tests.

“Trials of the Swift pistol began and ended. The gun showed its inconsistency in terms of being offered to our military consumers, ”Semizorov quotes. "Lenta.ru".

Meanwhile, the general director of Arsenal Firearms, which developed the pistol, said that they had eliminated the initial observations, but there were no repeated tests of the Swift.

“The tests were conducted more than a year ago, why now it is about this that they started talking, it is incomprehensible to me. Tests were carried out. In the course of the test, we received some observations that we have eliminated. But further, with the corrected remarks, we were not given tests for some reasons that were incomprehensible to us, ”the RIA quotes him. "News".

The CEO noted that the tests were carried out on all the requirements put forward for Russian weapons. In this case, any new gun may show unsatisfactory results and go for revision.

“After we were not allowed to promote this pistol on the Russian market, we began to produce it and passed all the tests according to the NATO scheme in Europe. (...) We are ready to continue testing our pistol, it is completely refined in accordance with the comments we received. We are ready for any competitive tests that will be offered to us, ”Pchelkin added.

Comments

[lexx2038]

Covert games?

[Igor39]

Some kind of Austrian company, offered someone a good kickback, probably

[enot73]

Quote: Igor39

Some kind of Austrian company, offered someone a good kickback, probably

Most likely they tried to "feed" this Swift with Russian cartridges with a steel sleeve. Glocks, by the way, don't digest them too well.

[Bogranz]

There was an infa in the media that it was not a matter of steel sleeves, but of non-observance of the exact dimensions of these sleeves. Here is a little on this topic: http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/archive/o-nekotoryh-nedostatkah-pistoleta-yarygina-
i-ih-prichinah08-11-2012-11-26-00/
But ... God knows who is to blame.

[Velikoruss]

Uh-huh, "his grenades are of the wrong system." And people also say that something always interferes with a bad dancer.
Why the hell are people fucking brains? There is a GSh-18, like a pistol for the Special Forces, which perfectly passed the tests according to the techniques of OUR army. There are PYs as the main one. Well, it’s understandable, they sold PJs because it’s the brainchild of IzhMasha, it is imprisoned for IzhMasha technology, but it nevertheless passed tests according to OUR requirements. There is OTs-27 Berdysh, whom, however, Stechkin SAM removed from the tests, but about which EVERYONE who used it speaks only positively. Why do we need Swifts and Glocks?

[av58]

Gloks are preferred by our special services, and let them either masochists or ......

[bullet]

ПЯ is produced not at Izhmash, but at the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant — these are different enterprises.
PY did not pass the state. tests in full (problems with operation in difficult conditions), but was adopted.

[Alexey RA]

Chihiks ... to the question of domestic cartridges:

"Barnaul. Taken from one pack." (c) kris-reid AKA Ulanov

[senima56]

Under Comrade Stalin, the director and technologist of the plant would be put to the wall for such cartridges, and there would be no more defects at ALL cartridge factories! Because SUCH cartridges can be released only by "enemies of the people"!

[bullet]

But in the army there is no other pistol case for this caliber.

[venzim]

Give "Makarov" -M

[v-nikolai]

Nagan 1895 cheap and cheerful

[inkass_98]

Quote: v-nikolai

Nagan 1895 cheap and cheerful

Exactly, he also does not leave a sleeve at the scene of the incident. Very welcome in certain circles.

[Koresh]

Better Stechkin would be modernized and again in a series.

[Velikoruss]

OTs-27 is made on the basis of APS. The trigger is completely taken from it, a "beard" appeared in the shutter casing in which a polyurethane recoil damper is built,

allowing for comfortable and accurate shooting with more powerful than 9x18PM cartridges 7.62x25mmTT and 9x19 Steam (P +) with a locking scheme with a free shutter.

[Giant thought]

So someone high did not need Swift, and he has his own candidate.

[senima56]

Most likely they were already preparing to "PR" the PL-14! And "Strizh" "failed" already because, firstly: it was made by a private company! Secondly: a joint venture with the Italians! That's why it "failed"! I have nothing against the PL-14, but why call the excellent Strizh pistol "untenable"? Mr. A. Kirisenko himself, the current advisor to the general director of the Kalashnikov concern, spoke with a breath that the "Strizh" pistol was excellent and in the "Military Secret", too!

[GRF]

Well done, do not give up ...

[Dbnfkmtdbx]

Yes give money to ghouls and business

[Basarev]

Swift sort of Italian. I was told that from Russian in it - only a word on the shutter.

[wk]

yes, two years ago they wrote a lot about him - that’s true.

[Sharky]

Yes, but what a beautiful ... But in reality it was not very.

[Lissyara]

Yes, but what a beautiful ... But in reality it was not very.
As in a joke, sir ... "Do you have checkers or go?"
In this case, I draw an analogy - do you admire or shoot?

[rotmistr60]

These weapons were developed by the young company Arsenal Firearms, whose headquarters are in Russia, and production facilities are located in Russia, Austria and Italy.

[Bronik]

"Strizh" (export name AF-1 Strike One) is a self-loading pistol developed by the Russian private company Arsenal Firearms. The Strizh pistol is intended both for the armed forces and law enforcement agencies, as well as for shooting sports and the self-defense of citizens. The AF-1 Strike One pistol, intended for the foreign arms market, is available in four calibers - 9 × 19 mm, 9 × 21 mm IMI, .357 SIG and .40 S&W.
The Swift pistol, designed for Russia, is only available for 9 × 19 mm cartridges, but it can use Russian-made 7N21 and 7N31 high penetration cartridges, even though the weapon functions reliably and safely with them [2].

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B6_(%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81
%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82)
Everything is said, they did not for us.

[wk]

if I am not mistaken, Rogozin actively promoted the swift pistol; he seemed to have a personal interest there through his son .... he also promoted the AK-12 ... it seems that he also has a personal interest in the Kalashnikov concern .... as for the pistol , then there is no need to worry, because a pistol for an officer is a purely ritual weapon and is devoid of practical use in modern military operations, so it is possible to issue silicon, well, if the machine gun is chosen not based on its capabilities, but "by pull" it is sad ...

[avt]

Quote: wk

if I am not mistaken, Rogozin actively promoted the swift pistol; he seemed to have a personal interest there through his son ...

Yeah, he still urged everyone to sleep with him {with the gun}.

Quote: The Art of War

GS-18 did not pass the test, and it was not accepted.

GSH-18 has never been a "Swift", well, never that it would not be accepted for service. Quite a working weapon, the question was only about the quality of serial production.

[PSih2097]

Quote: avt

It’s quite a working weapon, the question was only as a serial production.

and not a single weapon can do without a small peeling ...

[Velikoruss]

On the Hansa, GS operators only praise. And they are covering, mainly those who do not have them, or held them in their hands once.

[Cruorvult]

Nothing unusual, at the last competition for the Grach military pistol, 3 models passed, as a result, they took everything into service, but they never appeared. GSH-18 is the lightest, so no information about it pops up, the MR-443 of the Yarygin that it won cannot be achieved in an acceptable quality in production, the SR-1 Gyurza was modified 4 times the same, but there are no integrated slats. That swift to the same steppe.

[The Art of War]

GS-18 did not pass the test, and it was not accepted.

[AndreyS]

GSH-18 is included in the list of weapons approved by the Government, but is not purchased in bulk due to the high price.

[PSih2097]

Quote: AndreyS

GSH-18 is included in the list of weapons approved by the Government, but is not purchased in bulk due to the high price.

and we have a high price for all weapons. The same "Glock" (Austria) for state purchases costs half as much as Yarygin, who is "Grach" ...

[AndreyS]

Where is such information available ?!
Here is the link for glocks - http://www.rg.ru/2013/10/24/glock-site.html
The cost of Glock is 599 dollars (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_17), and the Yarygin pistol is 13 rubles, the cost was voiced here in the VO (I remember 000 rubles). True, experts do not advise the owners of such pistols as, for example, Glock-18, Beretta-000 FS, etc., all the time to shoot from it with 17 mm + P + or 92 mm NATO cartridges, it’s better to shoot with a “standard” cartridge 9x9, since in the case of firing with a "standard" 9x19 cartridge, the barrel resource will be much higher than in the case of firing with 9x19 + P, 9x19 + P + or 9x19 NATO cartridges. (http://www.worldweapon.info/patron-9x19-luger)At this, if you use 9X19 mm 9H19 cartridges for shooting, then the viability of the Glock barrel drops several times (7x21 Pst gzh (GRAU index - 9N19) - a cartridge with a bullet with a steel core Developed by TsNIItochmash in the early 7s, the mass of the bullet is 21 grams, the initial velocity of the bullet is 1990-5,4 m / s. It surpasses the commercial ammunition 445 × 470 mm Parabellum in power and corresponds to more powerful 9 × army cartridges 19 mm NATO (9 × 19 + P). A bullet pierces a 9 mm plate of steel St.19 at a distance of 4 m [3]. Https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/55%C2%9_%D3%BC % D9719% BC_% D0% 0F% D0% B9% D0% 0% D1% B80% D0
%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%BC ). Т.е.
The cost of cartridges of foreign manufacture is naturally higher, and according to the characteristics of the cartridges you can compare them!

[wanderer_032]

Quote: The Art of War

GS-18 did not pass the test, and it was not accepted.

In what way did he fail the test? The fact that he loses to the "swift" only by the fact that he does not have slats for mounting additional equipment?

[The Art of War]

Maybe completed , before he had failures

[wanderer_032]

Quote: The Art of War

Maybe they completed it, before he had failures

For refusals, can you give an example or a link to give what specifically the GSh-18 refused?

[bullet]

In 2003, three pistols were adopted by the RF Ministry of Defense: Yarygin PYa pistol (index 6P35), Serdyukov SR-1 pistol (index 6P53), GSh-18 pistol (index 6P54).

[hz123]

the gyurza is the most run-in, on new grooves under the slats are provided. Special forces know better, but they complain about something.
ps all in a row you can’t take into arms, not only performance characteristics, but also how to use weapons you need to think, production of course, what capacities, equipment

[Siberian]

Quote: lexx2038

Covert games?

........ And in the field of weapons technology there has always been and will be competition - = Swift = must pass all test tests and prove himself, as in due time other types of weapons .. Well, wailing = games ... = not = games .. =, no matter how. Our security forces and other departments should have modern competitively capable small arms .........

[The Art of War]

"Black Swift" I think they will bring to mind

[The Art of War]

Pistol "Black Swift"

[biglow]

since here they write about weapons, what kind of rifle does the militia have? They write that this is 6C8 http://topwar.ru/38917-127-mm-snayperskiy-kompleks-6s8-kord.html, is it or not ...?

[wanderer_032]

This is Kovrov’s ASVK.

[wanderer_032]

And where did you get the idea that this is a militia? And what is it generally Donbass?

[Bogranz]

There was a snapshot of the militia at the Colonel Kassad site. There was infa in the same place that the American mercenary was filled up from .... PTRS, but I think that all the same from this device. Well, what's wrong with that? "Voentorg" works and thank God and not only.))))

[Velikoruss]

Even during the war, they tried to fasten optics to PTRSs, and now in New Russia, as God himself ordered. 14,5mm is not a pound of raisins.

[biglow]

photo 100 percent from Donetsk and this is 100 percent a militia from the Motorola squad ..

[Slavs69]

I can be mistaken, because the photo is not enough and not clear, it looks like 12.7 mm KSVK.

[bullet]

6C8 is a complex that includes: a 12,7 mm ASVK rifle (index 6V7), a 1P71-1 day sight, a 1PN117 night sight (I could be wrong) and a 7N34 sniper cartridge

[Balamyt]

...... leads the words of Semizorov "Lenta.ru" .......

I have a special attitude towards Lente.ru, I would say so, not very trusting. What can you not read there!

[taseka]

If we discard politics and technology, then production is a lot of money - this is where the intrigues and kickbacks go!

[Bogranz]

Yeah, not PTSD

[Cruorvult]

Quote: The Art of War

GS-18 did not pass the test, and it was not accepted.

The pistol, named GSH-18, has successfully passed official tests and is widely advertised both for domestic consumers (mainly structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, Internal Troops) and for export sales. In connection with the adoption in Russia in 2000 of the Yarygin PYa pistol (the "Rook" theme), as well as the presence of a more powerful and good performance pistol Serdyukov SPS (aka SR-1 "Vector", aka "Gyurza", under cartridge 9x21mm SP-10), the future of the GSh-18 pistol is rather vague, although in itself it is a pistol, undoubtedly, interesting, although not outstanding. Note: in 2003, GSh-18 was nevertheless adopted by the decision of the Government of the Russian Federation, however, it will most likely be purchased by various law enforcement agencies - in the army, the main one should still become the PY.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/rus/gsh-1-r.html

[wanderer_032]

Quote: CruorVult

nevertheless, the main thing in the army should be

"Rook" was raw and there were complaints about the workmanship, there was even an article on VO on this topic. The spetsnaz soldier wrote from personal experience and shared.

[Cruorvult]

"Rook" was raw and there were complaints about the workmanship, there was even an article on VO on this topic. The spetsnaz soldier wrote from personal experience and shared.

I read about Yarygin, I think the same thing, about CP-1 the same infa is more or less there, less about GSh-18, namely operational data. Gyurza is the same with its drawbacks, the screwed picatinny rail is especially striking :-D looks awful, you can't at the design stage make it possible to attach standard ones, otherwise I like CP-1 more.

[Vasily Ivashov]

If true, the components for this gun are produced not only in Russia but also abroad, especially in NATO countries, such weapons, by definition, cannot become the main ones in the Russian Armed Forces.

[aszzz888]

“After we were not given this gun to be promoted on the Russian market, we began to produce it and passed all the tests according to the NATO scheme in Europe. (...)

Well, and impose this pistol on NATOsrovtsam.
We have other good examples of short barrels.

[senima56]

"Arsenal" has created a pistol on TTZ special forces. Created quickly. But someone did not like it very, very much: "How so? The gun in a few months? It can't be! Don't let it go!" After all, it is customary for us to create a pistol for years, then test them for years, and in the end take them into service when this model is already morally outdated. The latest example: in 2003, the SR-1, PYa and GSh-18 were adopted. 11 years ago !!! And now the question: "How many of these samples are actually in the power structures ?! And what do the soldiers say about them ?!"

[Velikoruss]

Like it or not like it, the main criterion for compliance is the success or failure of the given tests. The rest is lyrics. In addition to this, for the army weapons of Russia, such a factor as the country of origin is still (thank God!) If foreign, then, "if you please, go to the forest!". The epic with the Mistrals is an illustration.

[Nayhas]

The problem with a "good" pistol is relatively easy to solve. Allow people to buy and store pistols (only domestically produced), allow private companies to manufacture weapons, and the market itself will reveal the best of the best.

[Cruorvult]

In my opinion, there will be enough for a citizen and PM, PMM, PSM, there are more questions to state orders and state tests, the meaning of competitions, adoption, if nothing is done later, it would not have to be accepted then, if they had finished. (about rook contest)

[Cruorvult]

In my opinion, there will be enough for a citizen and PM, PMM, PSM, there are more questions to state orders and state tests, the meaning of competitions, adoption, if nothing is done later, it would not have to be accepted then, if they had finished. (about rook contest)

[senima56]

Totally agree with you!

[chunga-changa]

As usual, they entered from the wrong end. First you need to clean up the cartridges. Or we shoot Soviet, with Soviet equipment and supplies. Or we stop eating a cactus and switch to Western standards, we rebuild factories. It will already be easier further, if there is an approved range of cartridges for a particular manufacturer, then adopting a gun for them is not a problem at all. And it turns out that the pistol is made under normal 9x19, and the military requires the devils to shoot than from their stocks.

[senima56]

I agree with you! But equipment is already being dealt with, and so far we have to shoot from Soviet stocks! Recently showed tests of new machines A545 and A762. There, such sparks flew from the muzzle! .... At least light it!

[mamont5]

Quote: Igor39

Some kind of Austrian company, offered someone a good kickback, probably

It is unlikely that Taburetkin is not in power now. Import in such a case will not work.

[Basarev]

And what is there about Bagheera?

[Target]

PMM is more suitable for law enforcement agencies, a bullet pierces bulletproof vests well (medium security for sure) and at the same time has a good stopping effect, because a bullet gets stuck in the human body due to its properties and all its energy is spent on the body (because of the stuck property in the body, PM and PMM went the myth of his terrible weakness, the main distributor of this myth is the computer game STALKER).

GS-18 weighs very little, and in the magazine 18 rounds, it has the same stopping action as the PM (M), but uses a 9x19 cartridge, and the gun can also shoot 9x19 Parabellum. Better suited for law enforcement. And what suits them is categorically not suitable for the army.

Therefore, new pistols are created, designed for the interests of the army.