OPEC Summit: pricing jokes

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Home news of the day - the outcome of the OPEC summit ended in Vienna. As soon as the cartel announced that it was maintaining quotas for oil production, the price of black gold on the exchanges flew down. American shale workers sprinkled ashes on their heads. At the meeting in Vienna, the Arabs smiled and even joked. It seems that the conspiracy therapists were right, and now the Saudis will fill the world, not the Americans.



Before the meeting in Vienna, the Minister of Petroleum of Kuwait, Ali Saleh al-Omayr, made a curious statement that the OPEC countries would accept any price for oil, at least 60 dollars per barrel. Following his words, Brent crude prices fell below 76 dollars per barrel.

Then the 166 conference of the cartel began, a detailed chronicle of which gives TASS.

Among the key statements are the following.

Venezuelan Foreign Minister Rafael Ramirez said that the excess oil on the market reached 2 million barrels per day, and it needs to be eliminated. According to him, Venezuela is ready to support 5-percent reduction in quotas.

Representatives of Ecuador, Iraq and Algeria spoke further. They noted that they were not surprised by Russia's decision not to reduce oil production. (Recall, Russia is not a member of OPEC, but only an observer.)

Libyan Vice-Premier Abdurrahman Atahir al-Ahirish, who chaired the meeting, said that OPEC is ready for dialogue with Russia, the European Union and G20 and is “focused” on stabilizing the market.

Towards evening, the representative of Saudi Arabia said that OPEC had made a “good decision”. On these words, the cost of a barrel of “Brent” fell below 75 dollars.

Eight minutes later, Kuwait’s oil minister said that OPEC had not changed its production quotas. And he added that he was "pleased with the decision of OPEC."

The organization is united in managing the market in the current situation, said Iranian Oil Minister Bejan Namdar Zangane. According to him, the cartel made a decision that does not coincide with the position of Iran, but Iran agrees with this decision.

As the Minister of Oil of Ecuador clarified, OPEC retained oil production quotas at the level of 30 million barrels per day.

By evening, a press release of the conference appeared in the press, where it was stated that the cartel left production quotas unchanged (at the level of 30 million barrels per day). It is also reported that the next OPEC conference will be held on 5 June 2015 of the year.

After 5 minutes, a comment was followed by the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation. Officials said that OPEC’s decision not to reduce quotas means that the problem of oversupply in the global oil market will not be quickly resolved.

Psychological market expectations led to the fact that 48 rubles per dollar began to be given on the Moscow Stock Exchange (that is, the ruble fell again).

OPEC Secretary General Abdullah Salem al-Badri made a statement concerning Russia, in which he noted that the cartel would compare production volumes and forecasts with those of the Russian Federation. He also said that he considers the current oil price "good" and added that the fall in prices is not of fundamental importance for OPEC countries.

On 19: 33 h. 27 November Moscow time, the cost of a barrel of Brent crude fell below the 72 dollar, and WTI fell below the 68 dollar. The ruble continued to fall against both the dollar and the euro.

On 19: 55 h. The cost of a barrel of Brent has returned to a level above 73 dollars per barrel, TASS reports.

Yesterday evening, Rosneft President Igor Sechin gave an interview to the Austrian edition of Die Presse, where he said that the oil market was on the verge of a big redistribution.

Thus, let us add from ourselves, the “unobtrusive” proposal of Venezuela (which, by the way, Ecuador joined) to reduce production by 5% did not meet with the understanding of the cartel participants. As it became clear from the journalistic “minutes” of the meeting, Arab representatives of OPEC consider prices “good” and even assure the public that the fall in prices does not matter. Meanwhile, the opinion of the Venezuelan side was based on a serious argument about the excess oil on the world market in 2 million barrels every day.

Interfax cites data according to which, at the current price level, no state of the cartel members will reduce the budget.

Qatar and Kuwait turned out to be the most far-sighted: their planned calculations were based on prices in 77 and 78 dollars per barrel, respectively. But Venezuela, for example, very seriously miscalculated, stacked the budget with the price of oil in 118 dollars per barrel.

In fact, we note, sharp fluctuations in the price of oil (both a fall and a rise) in the world are not uncommon, as other readers who are inclined to conspiracy may think. The black gold market is shaking all history of its existence. This is due to the psychology of this very market, the games of speculators, financial crises, wars, production growth, and the decision of the cartel on quotas.

Fluctuations in world oil prices over the past decades, starting with the 1970s, are shown for clarity in the graph borrowed from TASS.

OPEC Summit: pricing jokes


An interesting statement by the OPEC Secretary General Abdullah al-Badri leads RIA News". It turns out that the Secretary General of the cartel at the final press conference ... was joking with journalists.

“Will this prevent you from filling your car if the price continues to fall?” If you are not a trader, this should not be a problem for you. It should be good for a journalist. ”


The agency also recalls that earlier, on November 25, the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, arrived in Vienna with Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak. The Russian guests at the meeting with the representatives of Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Mexico failed to reach an agreement on the reduction of production. This was stated by the press Foreign Minister of Venezuela Rafael Ramirez.

RIA Novosti also reminds that on the eve of the meeting, the heads of oil and gas companies, including LUKoil president Vagit Alekperov, the heads of Total, Shell, BP, flew to Vienna.

As analysts have explained to RIA Novosti, large members of the cartel are interested in maintaining quotas more than other countries, starting with Saudi Arabia. Experts cited the same al-Badri, who said on the eve of the summit, that if prices were kept at the current level, the market could leave up to 50% of hard-to-recover oil, including shale oil, and this will happen in the short term. Some analysts believe that the Saudi game is built on the expectation of this.

Several opinions of Russian experts lead RBC.

“Oil may fall further on 10 dollars after OPEC’s decision not to cut oil production quotas,” Oleg Kuzmin, chief economist for Russia and the CIS at Renaissance Capital, told the agency.

According to him, the rate of the Russian currency may soon amount to 50 rubles. for a dollar.

Sergey Romanchuk, the head of operations in the monetary and foreign exchange market of Metallinvestbank, is also confident that oil prices will go down: “Judging by this decision, oil prices will go down, and those peaks that showed the dollar / ruble rate in early November will be tested in the near future. I don’t know whether the Central Bank will consider these levels of the fall of the ruble, for example, before 50 rubles per dollar, a threat to financial stability. Perhaps the Central Bank will have to intervene to prevent another start of the process of converting ruble deposits into currency. ”

Finally, there is the opinion of international energy experts.

In the middle of this month, experts from the International Energy Agency announced that the trend towards a decline in oil prices has not yet exhausted itself. They predict that the decline in demand for black gold from China and production growth in the United States will lead to a fall in oil prices below the current lows at the beginning of 2015.

Add to this that the most recent today's price of a barrel of Brent oil was 72,15 dollars (a fall of 0,92% compared to the last price of yesterday evening). Thus, while continuing to fall.

And, judging by the words of the OPEC Secretary General, Saudi Arabia is really trying, if not to oust the United States from the oil market, then, at least, to noticeably weaken the position of the new participant in world trade in black gold. Washington got into such a strange situation that it does not even know how to object and whether it is necessary to object at all: after all, Riyadh is beating Moscow hard at the same time! And now the White House is used to operating politics to the detriment of the economy.

Among the first losers, who will have to seriously tighten their belts and play in inflation, will undoubtedly be Venezuela and Russia. The latter is being stifled by Western sanctions, which, by the way, also apply to Rosneft.

And yet, before you panic and shout “everything is lost”, you should take into account the existing high market demand for black gold, which is growing annually. In addition, low prices may further spur this demand. It usually happens on the market.

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  1. +57
    28 November 2014 09: 10
    Who endures whom in this auction, he will win. Our people, as you know, are the most patient, except liberals of course. These howls will spread throughout the media.
    1. +6
      28 November 2014 09: 28
      it’s bad that the liberal has access to the media
      1. Natalia
        +26
        28 November 2014 09: 29
        OPEC understands what they want, to make shale oil unprofitable.
        BUT ..... there is one big BUT.

        US shale companies are backed by the US Federal Reserve.
        Do not forget that all shale developments are very heavily subsidized from the Fed. And behind the Fed is a printing press.

        OPEC essentially wants to replay the US Federal Reserve which has a printing press.
        And the task in this sense is the most difficult.
        1. +19
          28 November 2014 10: 06
          Quote: Natalia
          US shale companies are backed by the US Federal Reserve.

          Do not forget one thing, the US budget is not 50% dependent on oil and gas production. So look at the root, it's all against Mother Russia. In addition, Americans can wait with shale gas, but we do not really! One more thing! If the Americans wanted, they would put pressure on OPEC. Here are such things.
          1. Natalia
            +11
            28 November 2014 10: 15
            Quote: Oleg147741
            Do not forget one thing, the US budget is not 50% dependent on oil and gas production.

            The US economy is one of the most diversified national economies in the world. Most of the US GDP (which is about 80%) is created in service industries, which primarily include education, healthcare, science, finance, trade, various professional and personal services, transportation and communications, and government institutions.
            Accordingly, the remaining 20% ​​is all the rest.
            Quote: Oleg147741
            In addition, Americans can wait with shale gas

            They have a different task. They want to reduce the rate of production of traditional oil, thereby reducing its volume in the world market. But at the same time increase the pace of shale oil production through subsidies from the Federal Reserve. And in such a simple way to displace traditional oil.

            And what, that the price will be lower even if $ 50, the printing press is working.
            1. 0
              28 November 2014 11: 42
              Quote: Natalia
              And what, that the price will be lower even if $ 50, the printing press is working.

              Categorically true !!!!!!!!
              And yet, before panicking and shouting “everything is gone”, one should take into account the existing high market demand for black gold, which is growing every year. In addition, low prices can further spur this demand. This is what usually happens on the market.- it’s not for you to bargain with the grandmothers for berries and mushrooms, do not confuse the soft with the warm!
              Saudi Arabia is really trying, if not to force the United States out of the oil market, then at least noticeably weaken the position of a new participant in the world trade in black gold.- Before writing such nonsense, you need to look at the Forbes list, at least, and behold the number of "new" mattress oil companies and their total financial and trade turnover.
              Quote: Ascetic
              in the world, almost all oil is sold for dollars, and the price of the same gasoline in the United States is tightly regulated by the state.

              Immensely true to the last line !!!!
              Article set -
              Oleg with enviable constancy began to throw in banter and nonsense, sincerely sorry.
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            2. 0
              28 November 2014 12: 09
              Quote: Natalia
              They have a different task. They want to reduce the rate of production of traditional oil, thereby reducing its volume in the world market. But at the same time increase the pace of shale oil production through subsidies from the Federal Reserve. And in such a simple way to displace traditional oil.


              or maybe this is a shale "revolution" outright eyewash, like Ebola, one friend told how the Americans are trying to blow up the rock to extract shale oil, but they very often fail, despite the fact that the shale itself is heavier and more explosive, plus it is 10 since it takes up a larger volume in storage facilities, it also has a good effect on metal - corrosion and rust will not have to wait for a long time, this is not to mention changing all equipment in general, the question is, why is shale better, what is it about it? can someone say that there is a lot of it, guessing on the coffee grounds ??

              by the way, at $ 80, oil shale mining is unprofitable, and now it’s almost 70, it means something else, and the FRS machine is already on its last legs, and now it’ll be covered with a copper basin
              1. +9
                28 November 2014 21: 05
                Quote: Libra
                the FRS machine is already on its last legs, now it’s covered with a copper basin

                Yeah, let's dream.
                Quote: Libra
                on 80 $ oil shale mining is unprofitable, and now 70 is almost, then the matter is something else

                The "point" is that you have to open your eyes and see the truth. The Saudis cannot and will NOT play against the US. In general, the USA, China and Russia are "playing". The rest are pieces, pawns and cells. What, nah, slate ?! In the absence of competitors, the United States will "buy" oil, gas, gold, uranium, women, bald devil - for free !!! Well, okay, for "woodless paper" ... who understands. They have a lot of it in general)))
                Comrades, do not let yourself chat! Now Russia is fighting with the United States and other things. And suddenly! Oops! Oil prices are falling down! And Russia just at the expense of oil and lives! What, nah, a pleasant coincidence ... and we also have problems - the shales are unprofitable, their mother is a child! The Saudis are to blame, an age of will not to be seen! Who holds us for loxov ?!
                Why are we building submarines? In particular, atomic multipurpose? State security to provide? Well, damn it, the time has come, kapets on the horizon! Even the USSR drowned in this oil pool, according to rumors! No need for torpedoes, in the Strait of Hormuz and a couple of mines, correctly set, the oil price will rise in half a day !!!
                OPEC? Who is it? Venezuela and Iran without Russia are the first candidates for ... well, everyone understands. Nah this OPEC !! Create your own! On the extraction of the Saudis at once block! And we, Russia, we will steer there! OPEC wants to sand you? We are coming to you! We have the best prices and unaffected fairways!
                1. +1
                  28 November 2014 21: 35
                  Next - Is IG trading in oil dumping? OK. Russia could easily pass through the UN any resolution on IS and join the bombing. And who is there to blather that our Air Force is bombing Wahhabi oil fields, depriving them of sources of income ?! Any attack on oil fields in the world raises oil prices - this is an axiom!
                  We are going further. Caspian. It is high time, having a strategic advantage there, in alliance with Iran and Kazakhstan, to begin squeezing from the fisheries of Azerbaijan. There is a blessing and a reason - Karabakh is again smoking. South The Caucasus, all one will have to be overcome in a historical perspective ... Yes, and now we are sidekicks with the Turks ... we will share the Muslim provinces ...
            3. 0
              28 November 2014 23: 09
              Quote: Natalia
              The US economy is one of the most diversified national economies in the world.

              Quote: Natalia
              Most of the US GDP (which is about 80%) is created in service industries, which primarily include education, healthcare, science, finance, trade, various professional and personal services, transportation and communications, and government institutions.

              The service sector can not pull the economy, because you want to eat always and well.
              1. Natalia
                +1
                29 November 2014 14: 58
                Quote: Setrac
                The service sector can not pull the economy, because you want to eat always and well.

                The service industry is not for you call girls or waiters in a restaurant.
                We are talking about deliveries of, say, high-tech equipment (and this could be a segment of some kind of scientific development or armament), and here they pay .......... money, a lot of money. You won’t stay hungry.
                1. 0
                  29 November 2014 20: 45
                  High-tech equipment is a real production, just as the "services" of designers are included in the cost of goods and relate to real production.
                  And the services are girls and coffee in bed, if you haven’t done so seriously, everyone likes to make a good joke.
                  Most of the so-called services market - the financial sector - produces nothing.
          2. +25
            28 November 2014 10: 21
            Quote: Oleg147741
            Do not forget one thing, the US budget is not 50% dependent on oil and gas production. So look at the root, it's all against Mother Russia. In addition, Americans can wait with shale gas, but we do not really! One more thing! If the Americans wanted, they would put pressure on OPEC. Here are such things.


            Yes. The US oil market is the largest, especially in the world almost all oil is sold for dollars, and the price of the same gasoline in the USA is strictly regulated by the state. With regards to shales, except for the USA, such projects have not gone anywhere else ... And there are suspicions that in the United States, under the guise of shale, the market is saturated with Libyan cheap oil.For several months, production in Libya increased from 23 barrels per day in May 000 to 2014 in October... In many respects, the shale project is hyped and exaggerated, a kind of financial pyramid at the boom stage, investments are collected, then the shop closes and the top of the organizers gets gesheft, the rest suffer losses. So, in order to competently "merge" without losing face and avoiding image and financial losses, it is necessary to bring down high oil prices, to make shale production unprofitable - the market is not it, but there are risks in the market. Sorry guys, we have nothing to do with this is the hand of the market, In general, we should forgive everyone to whom. Well, at the same time to put pressure on Putin, solid pluses in this fraud.
            1. Natalia
              +2
              28 November 2014 10: 28
              Quote: Ascetic
              And there are suspicions that in the United States, under the guise of oil shale, the market is saturated with Libyan cheap oil

              Again suspicion. That is, it may or may not.
              Quote: Ascetic
              In many ways, the slate project is PR and inflated

              Puffy is not pouty, but the US goal is not so much to sell oil shale abroad, but simply to become independent of external supplies.
              1. +1
                28 November 2014 12: 39
                Quote: Natalia
                Puffy is not pouty, but the US goal is not so much to sell oil shale abroad, but simply to become independent of external supplies.

                Or maybe the American shale revolution is a kind of reincarnation of star wars only in the energy sector, designed not so much to get rid of external dependence as to frighten the very same Russia, because we supposedly have the opportunity to extract gas, oil from sand. In theory, everyone should get scared and start to do some stupid things, for example, to spend money on similar technologies or to negotiate with Americans on some unfavorable conditions, it’s possible to put too trusty ones on your shale gas and oil. But it didn’t come off after the first enthusiasm, removed the covers and realized that the bubble was soapy and very blown, but what is happening now is just a convenient way for the Americans to jump off.
                1. +2
                  28 November 2014 20: 46
                  There is an indirect way to understand whether the current decline is beneficial to the Yankees or not. If not, then you can soon hear that the Saudis are catastrophically lacking in democracy or some of their opponents will have a positive thread .. ISIS may suddenly change direction ..
              2. Underwood
                +2
                28 November 2014 13: 26
                Quote: Natalia
                And there are suspicions that in the United States, under the guise of oil shale, the market is saturated with Libyan cheap oil

                is this with daily production of 350 tons of barrels? Saturated? Do not make me laugh. ISIS oil is not able to bring down the market, at least $ 10 per barrel.
                1. +5
                  28 November 2014 15: 57
                  Quote: Underwood
                  is this with daily production of 350 tons of barrels? Saturated? Do not make me laugh. ISIS oil is not able to bring down the market, at least $ 10 per barrel.

                  ! 0 bucks per barrel? You laugh, ISIS smuggles 0.001% of global production.
                  It doesn’t just have no effect - it doesn’t.
                  Tales of RTR to find the guilty.
                  1. Natalia
                    +1
                    28 November 2014 17: 14
                    Quote: atalef
                    Tales of RTR to find the guilty.

                    First of all, there is no RTR
                    Secondly, even through the central channels, I have never heard such nonsense.
                  2. 0
                    28 November 2014 17: 18
                    Quote: atalef
                    ISIS smuggles 0.001% of global production.

                    I think you are familiar with such expressions, As dashing trouble began, and a stone wears away a drop of water.
                    1. +1
                      28 November 2014 17: 35
                      Quote: Sirocco
                      I think you are familiar with such expressions, As dashing trouble began, and a stone wears away a drop of water.

                      Not in the economy. sorry.
                      Here another proverb is more suitable.
                      How many wolves do not feed. and the elephant is even thicker. hi
                  3. 0
                    28 November 2014 21: 21
                    RTR :))
                    You, dear troll, manuals are outdated, go get new ones from the curator :)
                  4. 0
                    29 November 2014 01: 58
                    That's the joke - who said everything louder, he is right.
                  5. 0
                    29 November 2014 01: 59
                    Taxiing public opinion in its purest form. Whoever said the loudest is right.
            2. +17
              28 November 2014 10: 47
              Quote: Ascetic
              Well, Putin at the same time crush, solid pluses in this fraud.

              It’s high time to suppress that Putin and his government take up the real economy, otherwise it reaches the point of absurdity when carrots are bought from Israel.
              I think the fall in oil prices is useful for Russia, although it may begin to restore production, it will be hard at first and then everything will be tuned in and when it is tuned in no one will have a desire to bend Russia.
              1. +2
                28 November 2014 11: 04
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                It’s high time to suppress that Putin and his government take up the real economy, otherwise it reaches the point of absurdity when carrots are bought from Israel.

                What prevented him from 4 years to engage in the economy, the real, producing (industrial and agricultural), and not raw materials.
                Do you still believe in Putin ???
                1. +25
                  28 November 2014 11: 45
                  Just yesterday I bought "Pirelli" tires. Where do you think they are produced? No, not in China, but in Russia.
                  I bought a Samsung TV a couple of years ago. Where do you think it was produced? No, not in China, but in Russia.
                  Earlier I bought a refrigerator "Indesit". Where do you think it was produced? No, not in China, but in Russia.
                  I bought a Volkswagen Tiguan car. Where do you think it is made? No, not in Germany, but in Russia.
                  Yes, they are all assembled from foreign components, but on which equipment and with the use of whose labor?
                  Therefore, talking about the absence of a "real economy in Russia" is at least ridiculous. Yes, we are not ahead of the rest of the planet, but we strive for this. It is simply impossible to become the best economy in the world in 14 years. But we are already in about 10, after the devastating 90s, so you -.
                  1. Natalia
                    +6
                    28 November 2014 14: 55
                    Quote: panfil
                    For 14 years, it is simply impossible to become the best economy in the world.

                    Yes, but for 14 years, WE first challenged the WEST and play a serious chess-geopolitical game. It began when the United States invited us to play in Ukraine. We accepted the challenge, returned Crimea ..... further events developed dynamically.
                    Are we ready?
                    Can we resist? How strong is our economy?

                    After all, recent years have only said that now we will give up the dollar, diversify the economy, and SHOW America its place.
                    Well.....
                    The economic war has begun, the stated requirements have not been met, we are still paying in $$$.

                    Quote: panfil
                    after the devastating 90s, so you -

                    I really hope that the 2015s will not turn into the same negative concept. As I understand it, based on your points, you cannot guarantee that the 90s will no longer befall our country.

                    Therefore, care must be taken.
                    As they say URA screams the one who screams him last.
                  2. +3
                    28 November 2014 16: 08
                    Quote: panfil
                    Just yesterday I bought "Pirelli" tires. Where do you think they are produced? No, not in China, but in Russia.
                    I bought a Samsung TV a couple of years ago. Where do you think it was produced? No, not in China, but in Russia.
                    Earlier I bought a refrigerator "Indesit". Where do you think it was produced? No, not in China, but in Russia.

                    Yes . but not developed in Russia.
                    What are you trying to prove? Does Russia have the same assembly line as China? And be proud of it?
                    Quote: panfil
                    Yes, they are all assembled from foreign components, but on which equipment and with the use of whose labor?

                    On their equipment, on their technology and with the Russian cheap slave power - this is honest
                    Quote: panfil
                    . Yes, we are not ahead of the rest, but we strive for this. For 14 years, it is simply impossible to become the best economy in the world.

                    The best? You laughed, according to all economic classifications, Russia does not belong to developed countries, but is in the category of developing economies
                    Quote: panfil
                    But we are already about 10-ke, after the devastating 90s, so you -.

                    The top ten? What do you smoke?
                    Check the GDP per capita indicator and be surprised that this is the 48th place, higher than Latvia, but lower than Lithuania and Barbados
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%
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                    %BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%29_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D1%83_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B
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                    1. Natalia
                      +1
                      28 November 2014 16: 50
                      Quote: atalef
                      The top ten? What do you smoke?

                      he got excited, it happens .....
                    2. +4
                      28 November 2014 18: 18
                      Let's start with the fact that "Gross Domestic Product", the generally accepted abbreviation - GDP (GDP) is a macroeconomic indicator that reflects the market value of all final goods and services (that is, intended for direct consumption) produced in a year in all sectors of the economy on the territory of the state for consumption, export and accumulation, regardless of the nationality of the used factors of production. "
                      I pointed out in a comment that production in Russia is increasing, according to your idea, higher than Russia in terms of GDP of Seychelles and Luxembourg, where one can talk about the availability of industrial production with a big stretch. The fact that we are far behind in terms of per capita income, I agree with this, but I repeat, for 14 years we have taken a huge step forward.
                      Well, and besides, I answer you, dear, that I have never made a single puff in my life. So it’s more likely that you are smoking something there.
                      1. Userpic
                        -2
                        28 November 2014 20: 59
                        Quote: panfil
                        I pointed out in a comment that production in Russia is increasing
                        in 14 years we have taken a huge step forward
                        GDP is a macroeconomic indicator reflecting market value all final goods and services (that is, intended for direct consumption) produced per year in all sectors of the economy on the territory of the state for consumption, export and accumulation, regardless of nationality used production factors

                        Remove the foreign factor - what remains? How much is left?

                        http://burckina-faso.livejournal.com/435335.html


                        http://burckina-faso.livejournal.com/797233.html
                    3. 0
                      28 November 2014 19: 35
                      smaller in v
                      kipedia need
                      climb and still levada-center statistics read. they have there, as well as in Forbes, Russia in terms of standard of living, worse than Ukraine and Uzbekistan. do not make me laugh.
                2. Underwood
                  +3
                  28 November 2014 13: 30
                  Quote: anip
                  What prevented him from 4 years to engage in the economy, the real, producing (industrial and agricultural), and not raw materials.

                  there are a lot of optimists here, who say that "the sanctions are wrong! We will raise the agricultural sector and the industry! Hurray! Come on!" That's bullshit. The "friends" invited to our vacant market are also far from suckers and raise prices. Nothing personal, how is it grit, we sympathize with you, we are proud of our friendship with you, but ... money is needed ...
                  1. +2
                    28 November 2014 23: 33
                    Quote: Underwood
                    there are a lot of optimists here who say that "the sanctions are good!

                    Optimists or not but:
                    Firstly, the fall of the ruble provides an advantage for the domestic producer in our market.
                    Secondly, it’s time to stop selling precious hydrocarbons for nothing.

                    To heat with oil and gas is the same as to heat with bank notes.
                    1. Userpic
                      +1
                      29 November 2014 00: 23
                      Quote: Setrac
                      the fall of the ruble gives an advantage to the domestic manufacturer in our market
                      Owner / capitalist working on the foreign market on domestic raw materials in the competitive sphere. Everything else just adds to the problems.

                      Secondly, it’s time to stop selling precious hydrocarbons for nothing
                      True, but the authorities do not want to and will not stop it.
                3. -1
                  28 November 2014 21: 22
                  We believe, but not all. We are Jews ... thank God :)
              2. +4
                28 November 2014 13: 21
                in order to tune in, the will of the leadership is necessary, and with us from the iPhone only nonsense comes, and gas! It’s high time this government was dispersed, even if we, ordinary citizens who do not have an economic education, understand where the wind is blowing, then I'm sorry ...
              3. -1
                28 November 2014 16: 01
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                It’s high time to suppress that Putin and his government take up the real economy, otherwise it reaches the point of absurdity when carrots are bought from Israel.

                If he really would be involved in the economy. there would be no 50% of oil revenues, Medvedev in power. Kudrin would have been in min.fin. there wouldn’t be - CRIMEA OUR and the unrecognized DNI and LC - for which there were equal sanctions, but Ja forgot - they wouldn’t put Yevtushenko (like for improper privatization belay ) - an asset purchased in 2009 and approved by the Cabinet - PUTINA. laughing
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                I think the fall in oil prices is useful for Russia, although production may begin to recover

                Maybe yes, maybe no
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                it will be hard at first and then everything will be tuned.

                And our children will live under communism.
                Somewhere I already heard it.
              4. +3
                29 November 2014 02: 06
                A barrel costs $ 70, and for a dollar they give 50 rubles, resulting in 3500 rubles. per barrel. A barrel costs $ 100, and for a dollar they give 30 rubles. - total 3000 rubles. per barrel. Did it occur to me alone?
            3. 0
              28 November 2014 15: 55
              Quote: Ascetic
              . In many ways, the shale project is PR and inflated,

              Hi, Stanislav.
              At first, there was an endless stream of articles on VO. that the slate revolution is a complete divorce. All channels of Russian TV endlessly reiterated the same thing. that this is a bluff, a divorce - we are not suckers.
              At the same time, the same Lukoil and Tat oil looked somehow strange (as if there nickname is not watching Russian channels and reading the Russian press)
              TATNEFT approved a shale field development program 2 6 2
              With the decline in traditional oil production, Tatarstan continues to develop its hard-to-recover reserves. Tatneft approved the program of work on shale oil for 2014-2015 and has already begun its production at the first well. It will allow the company to maintain oil production at 32 million tons per year,

              LUKOIL is counting on the presence of shale oil in the fields acquired in April 2013 by Samara-nafta.
              This was announced on May 28, 2013 by LUKOIL Vice President L. Fedun during a traditional teleconference with investors on the results of the company’s work in the 1st quarter of 2013.
              According to L. Fedun, there is an assessment of American geologists, according to which the reserves of unconventional oil - oil shale in the Samara-naphtha fields can be of industrial value.
              The topic of shale oil and shale gas is a winning one, for sure.

              And then suddenly it is not clear why (it seems like everyone has a short memory), in order to crush this bluff, you need to drop the price of oil to almost 50 bucks per barrel.
              Moreover, for this we need the power of almost the entire OPEC
              In general, do not you think that somehow they lie a lot on TV
              Are these contradictions between the top officials of the country strange?
              Putin: the global economy will collapse while maintaining oil prices $ 80


              Sechin: oil prices could fall below $ 60

              publication time: 12: 01
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              Igor Sechin
              Rosneft CEO Igor Sechin admits thatthen the price of oil may fall to $ 60 per barrel or lower in the first half of 2015 of the year. Sechin said this in an interview with the Austrian newspaper Die Presse, published on November 27.

              Rosneft, he said, has enough "reserves and room for maneuver." "$ 60 price will suit us

              Oil is already below 80 and nothing. The world economy is growing, and Sechin says. that 60 will suit everyone
              Isn't it strange?
              1. Userpic
                0
                28 November 2014 21: 11
                Quote: atalef
                Are these contradictions between the top officials of the country strange?
              2. 0
                30 November 2014 13: 46
                Quote: atalef
                At first, there was an endless stream of articles on VO. that the slate revolution is a complete divorce. All channels of Russian TV endlessly reiterated the same thing. that this is a bluff, a divorce - we are not suckers.
                At the same time, the same Lukoil and Tat oil looked somehow strange (as if there nickname is not watching Russian channels and reading the Russian press)

                Divorce, divorce without options. Until the resources of "ordinary" oil are depleted in the world. And this is not soon.
                Lukoil and Tatneft are working on the production of hard-to-recover oil, mainly in the European part of Russia. For there are running out of stocks easily recoverable. Only journalists put the "equal" sign between shale and hard-to-recover oil. On the Tatneft website, I did not find any mention of "shale oil" programs.

                Quote: atalef
                Oil is already below 80 and nothing. The world economy is growing, and Sechin says. that 60 will suit everyone
                Isn't it strange?

                You distort the words. Putin was not talking about the momentum, but about the future. But Sechin did not say that $ 60 would suit ALL. Rosneft will arrange $ 60, although at the same time it will have to abandon some projects.

                The decline in oil prices cannot be protracted. Now, before the winter season, when reserves are full, you can afford to play with oil prices. Let's see what will be closer to the end of winter, when stocks are depleted and it is time to think about creating stocks by next winter. The one with the stronger nerves will win.
            4. 0
              28 November 2014 16: 58
              We all understand (without special subtleties) the connection of supply with demand and other things in the market.
              The VGTRK news agency killed me yesterday, where they gave groundless hope to our viewers all day:
              Like a low oil price is not beneficial to anyone ... that is. what would the people hope, suddenly rise in price?
              But no, and this could not be, even if the preponderance of the proposal was not induced by the states, but arose by itself (the supply of oil shale on the US domestic market increased) -OPEC, those who have 70% of the world's oil (UAE + Qatar + CA) im violet.
              They have lower oil costs, they have trillions of money in banks (the Russian Federation has (la) about $ 475bn) a price for them.
              Moreover, last year there was a coup (King of Saudi Arabia Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud accused Prince Khaled bin Sultan bin Abdel Aziz of planning a military coup), the prince who studied in Britain at the military academy, and then this prince nevertheless received power, after the old predecessor, it was he who allowed the amers to fly over his territory in the event of a "preventive strike" on Iran).
              So estimate, in whose interests this leader will act.
              Oil will not go up for a very long time, soooooooooo could be in early 2016.
              NOT EARLIER. Why a long conversation. For 3000 characters.
              1. +1
                28 November 2014 17: 28
                Quote: mirag2
                Oil will not go up for a very long time, soooooooooo could be in early 2016.
                NOT EARLIER. Why a long conversation. For 3000 characters.

                How ? But what about this?
                A year ago, people just reveled in the topic.
                On our knees crawl to us. oil will never fall in price. we dictate.
                So. What do we dictate then?
            5. +2
              28 November 2014 17: 15
              Quote: Ascetic
              .. And there are suspicions that in the United States, under the guise of oil shale, the market is saturated with Libyan cheap oil.

              That is ISIS. And the casket just opens))))
            6. Userpic
              +1
              28 November 2014 20: 25
              Quote: Ascetic
              Yes. The US oil market is the largest, especially in the world almost all oil is sold for dollars, and the price of the same gasoline in the USA is strictly regulated by the state.
              Exactly good
              And the emphasis here is on - "prices for the same gasoline in the USA are strictly regulated by the state"
              I will add that in the USA the state strictly regulates prices not only for gasoline, but also for any socially significant goods and services, as well as any activity in the field of monopolies.

              Next - skipping all the conspiracy theological dregs I turn to the essence:
              Well, Putin at the same time crush
              I don’t dare to judge the consistency of this statement (personally, I don’t understand at all how to put pressure on, it seems, the most influential politician in the world who, as you know, outplayed everyone), but in the context of your comment the question naturally arises:
              Even if in the liberal US, osudarstvo regulates prices and monopolistic activity, then why the same does not happen in Russia - constitutional social statewhose quarantine, 10 years from the last 14, is the most influential politician?
          3. +4
            28 November 2014 10: 22
            Correctly. The US budget is 70% dependent on nothing but screams that they are the coolest in the world, an unsecured dollar
            1. Natalia
              +8
              28 November 2014 10: 33
              Quote: extremall
              Correctly. The US budget is 70% dependent on nothing but screams that they are the coolest in the world, an unsecured dollar

              This is not entirely true.
              After all, you probably know what companies such as:

              Lockheed martin corporation
              Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)
              Microsoft Corporation
              National Aeronautics and Space Administration
              and so on ...

              What is one such domestic company / organization?
              1. +7
                28 November 2014 11: 36
                Quote: Natalia
                Lockheed martin corporation
                Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)
                Microsoft Corporation
                National Aeronautics and Space Administration
                and so on ...


                There are three types of corruption: Asian, African and American. Asian is when 100 million is taken. Tugriks for 50 million. Something to be produced is some kind of product, including an intellectual one, and the remaining 50 million. settle in the pockets of those involved. African when taken 100 million. nothing is produced and stolen. In Russia, in particular, the Asian scheme, but in Ukraine - African. The American one is based on the fact that they print the dollar, which is the reserve currency - the project price of 100 million is laid. then gradually increases several times. it all depends on lobbying opportunities and competition between multinational corporations controlling one or another world market of goods and services. marketing and advertising power, the presence of controlled media, etc. At the exit, they actually build and produce 100 million. and they sell for 500 due to the above-mentioned opportunities. To ensure this difference, you need to print unsecured money or put in debt notes under this bubble.
                Therefore, high GDP and competitiveness of these corporations are formally ensured. After all, these are 100 million. mastered without question and the product is usually better and more competitive than in countries with African and Asian corruption. where a similar product is produced in half or simply stolen laughing
                1. +9
                  28 November 2014 11: 57
                  In the era of Elzin, we had a typical African method. Under Putin, managed to switch to Asian. Now the task is to switch to American. but for this you need to get rid of the dominance of the dollar. It will be based on reserve currency, but it will be one of several and then there will be competition and the possibility of choosing what to buy for dollars and what for the yuan or euro, Domestic demand and domestic investment will appear, real competition, not paper, then it will not make sense to plunder the original 100 million. when at the expense of promoting your product you can get not 50 million. and at least 100 or 200 as Americans.
                  1. Natalia
                    0
                    28 November 2014 12: 07
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    Now the task is to switch to American. but for this you need to get rid of the dominance of the dollar.

                    Oooooooo coveted phrase - DELIVERY from DOMINATION DOLLAR.
                    Now tell me how, when will this happen?
                    1. +4
                      28 November 2014 12: 59
                      Quote: Natalia
                      Now tell me how, when will this happen?


                      Read Kalinichenko ... there the dynamics are painted from and to ... The question is how much will be allowed to implement this project. Americans do not sit idly by and will achieve the end of the change of power in Russia at any cost.
                      Response to criticism of the article "THE WESTERN KAPKAN OF GRANDMASTER PUTIN", published in the newspaper "Vzglyad"

                      And here is the article itself, where it is approved Russia will not be able to abandon dollars and euros in reserves
                      1. Natalia
                        0
                        28 November 2014 14: 05
                        Read Kalinichenko ... there the dynamics are painted from and to ... The question is how much will be allowed to implement this project. Americans do not sit idly by and will achieve the end of the change of power in Russia at any cost.
                        Response to criticism of the article "THE WESTERN KAPKAN OF GRANDMASTER PUTIN", published in the newspaper "Vzglyad"

                        And here is the article itself, where it is approved, Russia will not be able to abandon dollars and euros in reserves

                        In short.
                        Everything written by you above means that the RELEASE from DOMINATING DOLLAR can be discussed seriously in 9-10 years.
                      2. -3
                        28 November 2014 16: 13
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        Read Kalinichenko ... there the dynamics are painted from and to

                        Why so far?
                        that Lenin and Stalin are no longer authorities?
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        The question is how much will be allowed to implement this project.

                        Well, previous experts in the bright future and the pillars of the economy have gone into oblivion. but capitalism is rotting. cannot rot in any way
                        Something tells me. that the bones of Kalinchenko will also decay, and the dollar will remain with them
              2. +4
                28 November 2014 11: 59
                Quote: Natalia
                After all, you probably know what companies such as:

                All of the above and not mentioned of course produce products, but half of their financial turnover is show-off and financial bubbling. Behind the latter is lobbying for the corporate interests of the mattress (dollar), destroying external competitors or injecting them into the structure of corporations.
                Quote: Natalia
                What is one such domestic company / organization?

                UAC, USC, KRET, Energia, Kalashnikov, etc. .....
                1. Natalia
                  +5
                  28 November 2014 12: 17
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  UAC, USC, KRET, Energia, Kalashnikov

                  All of the companies you have listed whose activities are covered by one Lockheed Martin Corporation. And even then the activity of LockHide is much wider.
                  ..... swim finely.

                  But still ..... Now you have to name the equivalent for:
                  Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)
                  Microsoft Corporation
                  National Aeronautics and Space Administration
                  General Electric

                  Quote: Papakiko
                  half of their financial turnover is show off

                  but the other half overshadows a dozen such companies as Skolkovo and RosNano, which is enough to remain the most high-tech corporations in the world.

                  And we create the show-offs for them - when we create black money holes.
                  They produce products, our Skolkovo do not produce anything.
                  They say we are the best in the world, we did this, that, that, we are the coolest.

                  But we don’t do this. That is why today the American Pont is more expensive than the Russian currency and oil prices.
                  1. 0
                    28 November 2014 13: 17
                    Quote: Natalia
                    swim finely. But still ..... Now you just have to name the equivalent for:

                    I wrote, Natalia:Behind the latter is lobbying for the corporate interests of the mattress (dollar), destroying external competitors or injecting them into the structure of corporations.
                    Well, why are you measuring a real penis with a strapon, incorrectly !?
                    Each of these offices has copyright infringement.
                    For example: Microsoft Corporation, our specialists laid the foundations of modern programming back in the distant 70s of the last century ...
                    Quote: Natalia
                    National Aeronautics and Space Administration
                    - actively uses the entire palette of knowledge of equipment developed by the USSR.
                    Quote: Natalia
                    Skolkovo and RosNano

                    There is also "Titanium Valley" (VSMPO-AVISMA)
                    And on the example of the latter, can you explain to the public ?: Why is everything related to cooperation with "broiler and arvaflya" in Salda financed and done at the highest level, and for internal projects "through the stump of a deck" and VSMPO just killing wink
                    1. Natalia
                      +1
                      28 November 2014 14: 08
                      Quote: Papakiko
                      For example: Microsoft Corporation, our specialists laid the foundations of modern programming back in the distant 70s of the last century ...
                      - equipment technician actively uses the whole palette of knowledge developed by the USSR.


                      who cares today. You cannot profit today from your glorious times in the past. Today you are left with a nose.
                      1. +1
                        28 November 2014 17: 33
                        Quote: Natalia
                        Today you are left with a nose.

                        Natalya, is it difficult for you to recognize that you are swimming in something, to put it mildly, or what?
                        Quote: Papakiko
                        Behind the latter is lobbying for the corporate interests of the mattress (dollar), destroying external competitors or injecting them into the structure of corporations.

                        I immediately pointed out to you the causal connection of all the shaggyness of the megacorporations you named.
                        Quote: Natalia
                        Today you are left with a nose.

                        Not today, in the 90s, during all the reforms the whole country was robbed, but the most active and independent ones were put into the ground!
                        Quote: Natalia
                        You cannot profit today from your glorious times in the past.

                        You cannot and will not give, various cause-and-effect relations, just like militia-police.
              3. Underwood
                +2
                28 November 2014 13: 31
                Quote: Natalia
                This is not entirely true.

                Yes nonsense Your opponent blurted out, Natalia. Wishful thinking.
          4. Underwood
            +1
            28 November 2014 13: 23
            Quote: Oleg147741
            So look at the root, it's all against Mother Russia.

            it is not necessary to reduce all planetary processes to an anti-Russian front, this is at least not true.
          5. 0
            28 November 2014 20: 37
            In the United States, there has now been an industrial boom and it is associated exclusively with cheap gas. Shale will die - industry will begin to die. including not everything is as simple as the granddaughters of Crimean officers liked to write)
          6. timer
            0
            29 November 2014 00: 47
            The price of energy is more a political issue than an economic one. I believe that the current situation is an additional and tangible blow to the Russian economy, coupled with sanctions. And all this talk about shale oil and so on is a screen, nothing more. Saudis are tightly connected from the USA. And the damage from the blow we already feel is a decrease in business activity, prices for housing and communal services, food are raised, they want to introduce new taxes, pensions are frozen, etc. And this is just the beginning. But any situation is a double-edged sword. And if the Puten and his buddies oligarchs make the right conclusions from the current situation, the people will not be very shitty. In the near future, we will all feel it.
        2. +1
          28 November 2014 10: 17
          Can you tell me what is the daily production of shale oil in the states? I cannot find information about this anywhere.
        3. +1
          28 November 2014 10: 19
          Something is hard to believe that the Saudis are ruining the American shale mantra, aren't they vassals of pin. Dos?
        4. +1
          28 November 2014 11: 01
          Quote: Natalia
          OPEC essentially wants to replay the US Federal Reserve which has a printing press.

          Even if this is so, the impression is that many parties are involved in this game.
          Before the meeting in Vienna, Kuwait’s oil minister Ali Saleh al-Omayr made a curious statement that OPEC countries would accept any oil price, at least $ 60 per barrel.

          Before the meeting, the Russian Federation announced that it would not reduce oil production (consider the reduction) up to a price of $ 60 per barrel.
          Something somewhere should soon die out, maybe shale, maybe mutual settlements in dollars? (by the way, Europe may not be the first to stand it, its currency and its goods have become very expensive and Europeans are knocking on us with a request to sell them metal, but our plagues of metallurgists already raised the price of metal in December, although usually it fell in winter).
          PS
          Thais are very dissatisfied with the dollar and wish that the ruble - baht has its circulation and there are more and more such countries (Turkey recently signed the ruble - lira).
        5. +2
          28 November 2014 13: 25
          Quote: Natalia
          OPEC understands what they want, to make shale oil unprofitable.
          BUT ..... there is one big BUT.
          US shale companies are backed by the US Federal Reserve.
          And the task in this sense is the most difficult.

          There is one more BUT. Thanks to technological development, the production of shale oil in the USA is already profitable today at 60 $ per barrel. Here is an interesting article.
          http://vseonefti.ru/neft/slancevaya-neft.html
          1. +2
            28 November 2014 13: 38
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            There is one more BUT. Thanks to technological development, the production of shale oil in the USA is already profitable today at 60 $ per barrel. Here is an interesting article.

            Come on without it !?
            Because of the fear of sanctions, shale oil and gas themselves tear to the surface and are carefully stored in boxes with handles (immediately in fractions) for the convenience of further transportation ?!
            Or moles began to work on the side of shale companies, or maybe they started laser-plasma drilling ?!
            But what about the tar sands in Canada Alberta?
            There is a customer and a consumer (this is about the article).
            The most important thing BUT is the Fed press with it for all the software ... the drum !!
          2. Natalia
            0
            28 November 2014 15: 08
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            There is one more BUT. Thanks to technological development, the production of shale oil in the USA is already profitable today at 60 $ per barrel. Here is an interesting article.

            Well, what, it is quite natural.
            1. +2
              28 November 2014 16: 14
              Quote: Natalia
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              There is one more BUT. Thanks to technological development, the production of shale oil in the USA is already profitable today at 60 $ per barrel. Here is an interesting article.

              Well, what, it is quite natural.

              Who would doubt that . at the latest fields with new technology - 36 bucks per barrel.
            2. +3
              28 November 2014 16: 58
              No, I would say, unnatural. In the United States, only one field has reached acceptable profitability (due to abnormal geology), and to draw conclusions about the rest is at least incorrect.
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        6. 0
          28 November 2014 14: 33
          I think you think only financially. And here, the Americans (especially the most important one) are already playing personal ones, and in such conditions they can do not only what is beneficial to their country.
          I think a couple of years ago, with such tricks from the Saudis, they would quickly find leverage to return prices to the level they need.
          1. 0
            28 November 2014 16: 16
            Quote: serrrrgo
            I think a couple of years ago, with such tricks from the Saudis, they would quickly find leverage to return prices to the level they need.

            America? America consumes 25% of the world's oil.
            IT IS FAVORABLE FOR CHEAP OIL, POINT,
        7. 0
          29 November 2014 03: 00
          They are not subsidized; they have tax benefits.
      2. +1
        28 November 2014 11: 46
        About the liberals: see the article "liberalization of the economy under a heady howl" and comments. The article is all bad, the main bad Putin. Everyone who wrote against the article was specifically minus. So the liberal column does not sleep and it is in the media that they have the strongest positions. And the Novaya Gazeta is generally impossible to read.
      3. Arthur 775
        +2
        28 November 2014 12: 10
        on the count of all. Wait this happens in the world Russian folk game "and who will endure whom." feel
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    3. +5
      28 November 2014 09: 30
      Come on, I work for the liberals:
      AAA, ALL DROPPED! )))
      1. +2
        28 November 2014 10: 07
        Quote: Samaritan
        Come on, I work for the liberals:

        Judging by the minus worked for the liberals successfully! :)
        1. +1
          28 November 2014 10: 21
          And do not say)) I felt a heavy share of the liberal on myself))) now I am calm, they do not like liberals, Russia is on that!
      2. Natalia
        +4
        28 November 2014 10: 18
        Quote: Samaritan
        Come on, I work for the liberals:
        AAA, ALL DROPPED! )))

        One minus mine - I was not impressed by the mass deaths of people, and even in such a terrible way, even for Americans.
      3. +1
        28 November 2014 11: 41
        Yes, such a paradox. The worse, the better. The faster and more the dollar rises, the clearer the heads of our rulers will think. Against the backdrop of upcoming disasters, you may want peace and security.
    4. +2
      28 November 2014 09: 59
      where does the patience in the budget then the price was laid different!
      1. Natalia
        +4
        28 November 2014 10: 06
        Quote: jagdpanzer
        where does the patience in the budget then the price was laid different!

        That's it.
        Today's Russian budget is based on oil prices of at least $ 100 per barrel. Revenues from the sale of oil allow us to spend money on federal / social programs, military developments, etc.

        Now the price is $ 71.22, the forecast price is below $ 60, and you don’t have to have the gift of foresight to understand that you will have to revise the budget for next year and cut many federal target programs. Including the rearmament program.

        Patience has nothing to do with it, pure mathematics.
        1. +5
          28 November 2014 10: 25
          I’ll add a little extract from the article bloomberg, usa: The head of the largest state-owned oil company Rosneft in Russia, Igor Sechin, said something very unexpected after a meeting this week at which representatives of oil-producing countries failed to agree on a reduction in production. Everything will be in order in Russia, he said, even if oil prices drop to or below $ 60 per barrel. How is this possible if, according to recent estimates by Deutsche Bank, Russia needs a price of about $ 100 per barrel this year to ensure a balanced budget this year?

          The answer to this question applies both to Russia and to a number of OPEC members. The budget balance is provided in national currencies, and not in dollars, and any country that has the political space to maneuver to devalue its currency has no special incentive to reduce production. Russian President Vladimir Putin recently said roughly the same thing in his unusually frank interview with the official ITAR-TASS news agency: “But look: we used to sell goods that cost a dollar and received 32 rubles for it. And now for the same product at a dollar price we get 45 rubles. Budget revenues increased, not decreased

          Read more: http://inosmi.ru
          1. Natalia
            0
            28 November 2014 10: 43
            Quote: Samaritan
            And now for the same product at a dollar price we get 45 rubles. Budget revenues increased, not decreased

            Yes, but the ruble then depreciated.
            After the oil market stabilizes a bit, you will still have to see how this will affect investment attractiveness.
            1. +2
              28 November 2014 12: 04
              Investment banking is very Attractive, I will give an example:
              In our group of companies there is a plant working for Europe, before "Ukraine" we barely went to zero, but after the crisis, the profit increased by 30℅, because the costs (salary, consumables, Russian raw materials, i.e. for rubles)
              So it turns out that the cost of goods produced in Russia (for a foreigner) decreased, so it became very profitable to produce goods in Russia from Russian raw materials and by the Russians!
              1. +1
                28 November 2014 14: 10
                The poorer the country, the more profitable it is to place production there; this formula has long been known. So here you need to keep a balance, otherwise the plant will make a profit, and the workers who work on it will lose significantly in real income. And we are already at that rate out of this balance. IMHO
                Understand correctly, I’m not aching and ready to suffer for the country, but screaming that the more sanctions there is, the better it is for everyone
                1. -1
                  28 November 2014 16: 25
                  Quote: serrrrgo
                  The poorer the country, the more profitable it is to place production there; this formula has long been known

                  No, nobody places anything in Zimbabwe. but much poorer
                  1. +1
                    28 November 2014 17: 35
                    Of course yes) It's just that this is not the only factor, you would have remembered Somalia where the last 50 years have been fighting.
                    And from China, due to an increase in the standard of living and salaries of the Chinese, many enterprises are moving production sites to Vietnam and Cambodia
                    1. 0
                      28 November 2014 18: 05
                      Quote: serrrrgo
                      And from China, due to an increase in the standard of living and salaries of the Chinese, many enterprises are moving production sites to Vietnam and Cambodia

                      Of course. and before that (of China) there were South Korea and Taiwan (but in 15-20 years they had developed so much) that it was no longer possible to find cheap slave power there.
                      For 15-20 years (by the way this happens in China)
                      You will notice the number --- 15-20 years.
                      1. 0
                        28 November 2014 18: 53
                        Quote: atalef
                        For 15-20 years (by the way this happens in China)
                        You will notice the number --- 15-20 years.
                        Rough angry , as atalef rudely, point to "most" .. belay
              2. 0
                28 November 2014 16: 24
                Quote: Samaritan
                In our group of companies there is a plant working for Europe, before "Ukraine" we barely went to zero, but after the crisis, the profit increased by 30℅, because the costs (salary, consumables, Russian raw materials, i.e. for rubles)
                So it turns out that the cost of goods produced in Russia (for a foreigner) decreased, so it became very profitable to produce goods in Russia from Russian raw materials and by the Russians!

                Everything is beautiful . if not for sanctions.
                It would be profitable - 130 billion bucks from the camp would not have escaped in a year.
                Do not find some contradiction?
            2. 0
              28 November 2014 14: 31
              Yes, but the ruble then depreciated.
              Not so simple smile . since 2003, the ruble has grown against the dollar, sometime before 2008, but prices in rubles have risen for most goods, both ours and imported. The ruble has now collapsed, but there is no corresponding rise in prices; prices will rise but at a much lower rate. Everything is tied largely to purchasing power.
            3. 0
              28 November 2014 16: 22
              Quote: Natalia
              After the oil market stabilizes a bit, you will still have to see how this will affect investment attractiveness.

              No way, investment attractiveness - this is in the first place calm and laws.
              As you know, both this and the other in Russia are now tight.
        2. 0
          28 November 2014 10: 45
          Quote: Natalia
          Today's Russian budget is based on oil prices not less than $ 100 per barrel.


          The Russian three-year budget is made up initially from the price of oil BELOW $ 100 per barrel of oil. This is the very first option still in September. Then Siluanov spoke
          that
          budget for 2014-2016 calculated based on Urals oil prices below $ 100 per barrel - $ 93, $ 95 and $ 95 per barrel. The Minister recalled that in the forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development, the price for these years is $ 101, $ 100 and $ 100 per barrel.

          link

          These were Wishlist even before the fall in prices. Then we developed four scenarios based on oil prices, the most critical of which at $ 60. per barrel.
          So we never had a budget not less $ 100

          Formally filling the budget at low oil prices is sometimes even easier because cheap oil weakens the ruble: Russian companies sell raw materials for dollars, and pay taxes to the budget in rubles. The Central Bank argues that even in the worst case scenario ($ 60- $ 80 per barrel in 2015-2017), the budget can be filled from reserves - the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund. True, Sberbank analysts believe that with an oil price of $ 80, funds will run out by the end of 2016.
          1. Natalia
            +2
            28 November 2014 11: 02
            Quote: Ascetic
            The Central Bank argues that even in the worst case scenario ($ 60- $ 80 per barrel in 2015-2017), the budget can be filled from reserves - the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund. True, Sberbank analysts believe that with an oil price of $ 80, funds will run out by the end of 2016.

            Here and there .....
            I understand the behavior of the government, not to make an unhappy grimace, but rather to smile, and tell everyone that a drop in oil prices is even good, it is even better than an increase in oil prices.

            The fall in oil prices is, first of all, a significant decrease in GDP, a reduction in the accumulated foreign exchange reserves, an increase in tariffs for housing and communal services, and the cost of living of Russian citizens is also increasing due to the rise in price of food.

            A fall in oil prices, this is a deterioration in the economic situation in the Russian Federation, an increase in the cost of living and the depreciation of the national currency, and this alone will directly affect the valuation of Russian assets and the value of leading domestic companies.

            I want to say something.
            If the government has solutions to this problem, it’s good, but you don’t need to say that we are in chocolate.
            1. +3
              28 November 2014 11: 08
              Quote: Natalia
              I want to say something.
              If the government has solutions to this problem, it’s good, but you don’t need to say that we are in chocolate.

              Or rather, to admit that their entire commodity economy has collapsed utterly.
              1. Natalia
                +2
                28 November 2014 11: 25
                Quote: anip
                Or rather, to admit that their entire commodity economy has collapsed utterly.

                Well, collapse is not collapse .....

                And the fact that America inflicted a stab wound in the underbelly of Russia, taking advantage of our raw material dependence - is a fact.
                And already how this will be reflected and what the consequences will be, it is only worth counting.

                Because the time has come for the European Championship, but by this very moment we have not stopped making payments in $, we have not diversified our economy, the eastern economic direction is not yet ready.

                And so we can swim a little ..... not much of course, but slightly.

                For example, the program for the rearmament of the Russian army until 2020 has already been smoothly transformed into the program 2020-2025.
                The effect of all these market fluctuations and falls is usually felt with an interval of 6-12 months. Now what’s called the parish is gradually beginning.
                1. 0
                  28 November 2014 13: 48
                  Quote: Natalia
                  For example, the program for the rearmament of the Russian army until 2020 has already been smoothly transformed into the program 2020-2025.

                  Then it will be renamed in 2025-2035 (and further and further ...), it does not mean anything at all.
                  First, the "partners" are intensively modernizing their weapons and driving them to our borders.
                  Secondly: Scientific progress does not stand still, so the race will be endless.
                  Until one of the opponents flippers does not raise. The latter can be purely for internal independent reasons and not under the influence of external ones.
                  GOZ is needed by state factories and factories, and by a simple layman.
                  These are resources for life.
                  1. Natalia
                    0
                    28 November 2014 14: 18
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    it doesn’t mean anything at all.

                    I told you what that means.
                    I do not speculate, in this regard, I own information ...... what is called firsthand.
                    1. 0
                      28 November 2014 17: 20
                      Quote: Natalia
                      I do not speculate, in this regard, I own information ...... what is called firsthand.

                      Well, to Azm I’m .. a little astonished.
                      Quote: Natalia
                      The effect of all these market fluctuations and falls is usually felt with an interval of 6-12 months. Now what’s called the parish is gradually beginning.

                      No need la la, the economy is not pregnancy.
                      As soon as in August-September the ruble began to be pumped out of the economy intensively, then the life immediately began to freeze. It will not be difficult for you to find information; How many baksyatins and oyres for the last 3 months were exchanged on the MICEX and, accordingly, withdrawn from the turnover of rubles ?!
                      Quote: Natalia
                      what is called firsthand

                      Let's share the information that it will be by 01.01.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX. with rates and oil prices, PLEASE. love
            2. -1
              28 November 2014 16: 33
              Quote: Natalia
              A drop in oil prices is primarily a significant decrease in GDP,

              First of all, it is the depreciation of the ruble and the increase in the price of imported products, and therefore ---- practically all
              Somehow, someone forgot the statements of Putin and Medvedev. that the embargo on the import of food products will not only not raise prices, but even drop because will be imported from Argentina, Brazil, etc.
              Yes, and its own manufacturer within a month will provide the whole camp (well, I’m already from myself) laughing
              Well, what about the prices?
              Do not lie management?
              1. Natalia
                0
                28 November 2014 17: 03
                Quote: atalef
                Well, what about the prices?
                Do not lie management?

                If we talk about food on the shelves, then there is no tangible increase in prices.
                But with regards to gasoline, then yes yeah ... winked
                1. 0
                  28 November 2014 17: 18
                  Quote: Natalia
                  If we talk about food on the shelves, then there is no tangible increase in prices.

                  In St. Petersburg have risen in price
                  1. Natalia
                    0
                    28 November 2014 17: 26
                    Quote: atalef
                    In St. Petersburg have risen in price

                    Ahhhhh, well ....... in St. Petersburg maybe they went up, but we don’t.
                    1. 0
                      28 November 2014 17: 36
                      Quote: Natalia
                      Quote: atalef
                      In St. Petersburg have risen in price

                      Ahhhhh, well ....... in St. Petersburg maybe they went up, but we don’t.

                      Well, it seems easier for you.
                      1. Natalia
                        0
                        28 November 2014 17: 42
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, it seems easier for you.

                        Well, here, in the capital of the airborne forces, it will be much easier for us.
                        There are other salaries and different prices.
                      2. 0
                        28 November 2014 18: 06
                        Quote: Natalia
                        Well, here, in the capital of the airborne forces, it will be much easier for us.
                        There are other salaries and different prices.

                        Tula?
                      3. Natalia
                        0
                        28 November 2014 20: 00
                        Quote: atalef
                        Tula?

                        no not Tula winked
                      4. 0
                        28 November 2014 23: 40
                        Quote: Natalia
                        no not Tula

                        These funny parhaty chyudiki from the coast of the "killed sea".
                        He wanted a purely cashmere gingerbread.
                        Quote: Natalia
                        atalef

                        Natalia, garny girl from Ryazan! am
          2. 0
            28 November 2014 16: 30
            Quote: Ascetic
            The Russian three-year budget has been laid down INITIAL from the oil price BELOW $ 100 per barrel of oil

            96 - a big difference Yes
            Quote: Ascetic
            Then we developed four scenarios based on oil prices, the most critical of which at $ 60. per barrel.

            And can you find out what will happen in the 4th scenario?
            At 60?
            Quote: Ascetic
            True, Sberbank analysts believe that with an oil price of $ 80, the funds will run out by the end of 2016.

            It means that in 2 years it will end, or rather earlier, today oil is 70, and Sechin says that 60 is not a problem
            I wonder which of them is right?
            Maybe Sechin says that it’s not a problem, that reserves will run out belay , as I understand it at 60, much earlier than 2016.
        3. +12
          28 November 2014 10: 52
          Quote: Natalia
          Now the price is $ 71.22, the forecast price is below $ 60, and you don’t have to have the gift of foresight to understand that you will have to revise the budget for next year and cut many federal target programs. Including the rearmament program.

          Good morning Natalya! hi
          The price of oil at 60 Baku for our state is quite passing under a number of conditions
          1) The government terminates its debilitable policy
          and it’s best to resign so that in a year you don’t spend ropes on them
          2) Oil barons refuse part of their personal profits, and at state-owned companies they disperse all top-managers without welfare benefits (they have 10 lives for them anyway) ALL STATE CORPORATIONS switch to tough and transparent management. Removing them from non-core assets
          3) Stop stealing the budget
          4) Reduce s.p. officials of the entire top level to the national average, incl. DG and Fed.Sobr.
          5) Refuse football World Cup.

          And if we add to this the nationalization of the mining industry, then believe it will be not only a surplus budget, but a quantum leap budget for a brighter future !!!

          Everything has been invented for a long time, and as our ensign used to say in the textbook "Don't pour kefir in your ass"
          1. +3
            28 November 2014 11: 10
            And do you believe that? Believe that the Kremlin, led by you-know-who, and the oligarchy will abandon their excess profits ???
          2. Natalia
            +3
            28 November 2014 11: 16
            Quote: DRA-88
            5) Refuse football World Cup

            What about football?
            Quote: DRA-88
            3) Stop stealing the budget

            this is utopia, here Russia is a baby.
            Quote: DRA-88
            2) Oil barons give up part of their personal profits, and at state-owned companies they disperse all top-managers without welfare benefits (they will have enough 10 lives) ALL STATE CORPORATIONS switch to strict and transparent management. Removing them from non-core assets

            Not a single oil baron will voluntarily give you anything of his own ...... therefore:
            The oil baron has a significant sphere of financial opportunities and the volume of ties at various levels (including GDP), for which the security forces are already standing in the chain. An attempt to remove some part from this system (in which everything has already been divided) will lead to at least unrest, at least a revolution and a new redistribution of property (a wonderful gift to Obama).

            P.E. no need to play enthusiasts, it can end badly, both for you and ............... for your ensign.
            1. 0
              28 November 2014 12: 53
              Quote: Natalia
              Not a single oil baron will voluntarily give you anything of his own ...

              Taking into account that all the money is "there" then they can "voluntarily" refuse and give the property to the people. Then, using an uncomplicated method, to promote "your people" and woo-a-la ... "love is endless."
              Quote: Natalia
              a minimum of unrest, a maximum of a revolution and a new redistribution of property (a wonderful gift to Obama).

              Bardak Obamovich is the least at work here.
              Why the Anglo-Saxon Union is completely forgotten, this is the most basic player!
              And of course, the redistribution of property by the world will not work, it hurts a lot of interested parties. +++++++
              1. Natalia
                +3
                28 November 2014 14: 27
                Quote: Papakiko
                Taking into account that all the money is "there" then they can "voluntarily" refuse and give the property to the people.

                are you quoting grandfather Zbignev now)
                1. -3
                  28 November 2014 17: 07
                  Quote: Natalia
                  are you quoting grandfather Zbignev now)

                  To what place in my words do you Natalia attach 3/14 Dezhinsky?
                  I have examples when the ruble billionaires have not started a new project for a year, but the old ones are selling and "lave" is being transferred "there" (mainly Israel and London). And "there" they do not launch anything, but sit on the lave.
                  Do you have such examples?
                  Calling 3 \ 14 Dezhinsky a grandfather, you have admitted that you have studied with him or you modestly respect this .................................... ....... (non-transferable local dialect) !?
                  1. Natalia
                    +2
                    28 November 2014 17: 33
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    Calling 3 \ 14dezhinsky grandfather you admitted to the granddaughter

                    winked well, he is now 86 years old - well, yes you are right, he is a young man lol )))))))))))
                    After eighty, life is just beginning.

                    And tell you, the SPACEBAR key works every other time, right? lol
                    1. -1
                      28 November 2014 23: 15
                      Quote: Natalia
                      And tell you, the SPACEBAR key works every other time, right?

                      Somewhere the words on the heap are spicey, and in some I cannot squeeze, I can’t see it too much. drinks
            2. +3
              28 November 2014 13: 07
              Quote: Natalia
              P.E. no need to play enthusiasts, it can end badly, both for you and ............... for your ensign.

              I described the conditions under which a price of 60 bucks would be quite acceptable for the country.

              And now another option. The actual owners of the subsoil, in order to compensate for their losses in foreign markets, will raise prices in the domestic. What will follow even difficult to predict ....
              And most importantly, not to revolt ..... then the revolution will seem like a children's party .....
              I don’t want to even think about it hi
          3. +1
            28 November 2014 12: 37
            Quote: DRA-88
            5) Refuse football World Cup.

            This is an infrastructure project and this is the injection of federal money into the regional economy.
            Let's cut all the other programs even before the heap, the agro-industrial complex according to which from 500 to 1.2 lard will be allocated to each region, half of which will definitely go to the "collective farms".
            Quote: DRA-88
            3) Stop stealing the budget

            It is mastered and not stolen.
            Quote: DRA-88
            ALL STATE CORPORATIONS pass to the most severe and transparent management. Removing them from non-core assets

            There and so everything is so - everything is "under the control of their people."
            In general, a question in comrade, in general, according to the written theses: Are you ready to go out with arms and kill several tens of thousands of "your people" in all structures and companies?
            Are you sure that replacing one with another will fundamentally turn the tide?
            1. 0
              28 November 2014 13: 16
              Quote: Papakiko
              In general, a question in comrade, in general, according to the written theses: Are you ready to go out with arms and kill several tens of thousands of "your people" in all structures and companies?

              I just expressed my thoughts on this issue.
              But only GOD actually knows how it will be ...
          4. +2
            28 November 2014 14: 13
            Quote: DRA-88
            3) Stop stealing the budget

            Under this condition, you can generally not sell oil and live perfectly)
          5. 0
            28 November 2014 16: 43
            Quote: DRA-88
            The price of oil at 60 Baku for our state is quite passing under a number of conditions

            DO NOT flatter yourself is not suitable
            Putin said a month ago. that with 80 bucks, the global economy will collapse
            Quote: DRA-88
            1) The government terminates its debilitable policy

            laughing
            Quote: DRA-88
            Oil barrels give up part of their personal profits, and at state-owned companies they disperse all top-managers without exit benefits (they have enough for 10 lives)

            Sechin has a salary of 50 million dollars a year.
            Fuck to be an oligarch. when does a government official make money like that?
            Quote: DRA-88
            ALL STATE CORPORATIONS pass to the most severe and transparent management

            I don’t understand you somehow? DO YOU SPEAK ABOUT STATE CORPORATIONS?
            And what can be different in state-owned corporations? THIS IS THE STATE !!!!
            If you require TRANSPARENCY IN STATE CORPORATIONS, what can you demand from private traders?
            What a pop - such a parish

            Quote: DRA-88
            Reduce zp officials of the entire top level to the national average, incl. DG and Fed.Sobr

            laughing laughing
            Quote: DRA-88
            Refuse football World Cup.

            belay
            But why?
            Quote: DRA-88
            And if you add to this the nationalization of the mining industry,

            What for ? To create another State Corporation - from which you yourself demand transparency, reduction of salaries and dismissal of managers.
            Quote: DRA-88
            about turn it will be not only a surplus budget, but a budget for a quantum leap into a brighter future !!!

            AND OUR CHILDREN WILL ALWAYS EXACTLY BE LIVING UNDER COMMUNISM?
            Quote: DRA-88
            Everything has been invented for a long time, and as our ensign used to say in the textbook "Don't pour kefir in your ass"

            If you are so smart. well, so poor - as our ensign said laughing
            1. 0
              28 November 2014 17: 19
              Hi Sasha! hi
              You so detailed my post laughing
              World Cup --- this is another cut, like the OI!
              Quote: atalef
              If you are so smart. well, so poor - as our ensign said

              Because we do not fulfill the indicated conditions !!!
              1. 0
                28 November 2014 17: 43
                Quote: DRA-88
                Hi Sasha!
                You so detailed my post

                Hey . Vladlen !!!
                What I like about you. it’s an unshakable sense of faith in ideals (and some certainty that others think like you) and optimism hi good

                Quote: DRA-88
                World Cup --- this is another cut, like the OI!

                Believe me, the Russian people will get at least something from the World Cup, the real cuts aren’t here (although, to be honest, I saw the Zenith Stadium in St. Petersburg (more than 1.2 billion dollars) belay - you are probably right in many ways.
                Quote: DRA-88
                Because we do not fulfill the indicated conditions !!!

                Ah. Vladlen - Vladlen, the most vile. that all these bureaucrats. ranting about patriotism, concern for Russia and the Russians, spitting towards the West - they steal. grandmothers and real estate are kept in Western banks, their children live there, but the worst
                WHAT YOU KNOW IT ALL, BUT CONTINUES TO BELIEVE THEM AND CHOOSE THEM,
                1. 0
                  29 November 2014 01: 44
                  Quote: atalef
                  WHAT YOU KNOW IT ALL, BUT CONTINUES TO BELIEVE THEM AND CHOOSE THEM,

                  So you imagine that just many are really zombified by propaganda! Many are kept on a leash and scared that they say we're dead, but it could be worse.
                  Or did you read the expression in comments and why didn’t you steal? or do you envy hell? Others have a car on credit and this is the ultimate dream!
                  And the worst thing in this story is that the proletariat is practically destroyed.
                  And the biggest layer is the principle: whoever throws the bone is the master, they bark for that ...
                  For the next year, we are apparently going to the fullest ...
                  Best regards hi
                  1. Userpic
                    0
                    29 November 2014 03: 10
                    Quote: DRA-88
                    And the worst thing in this story is that the proletariat is practically destroyed.
                    Here you missed:

                    The proletariat is the social class of wage workers (especially in industrial enterprises), not possessing ownership of the means of production, for which the main source of livelihood is employment (sale of own labor)

                    The proletariat, in comparison with the beginning of the last century, has only grown; it’s another thing that it has ceased to be aware of its class interests.
        4. +4
          28 November 2014 13: 14
          ..... The budget is made up in rubles .....
          ..See: 100dol / bar.kh35 rub. = 3500 rub.
          70dol./bar.h 50 rub. = 3500 rub.
          I think that at 60dol./bar.h 58rub. = 3480rub.

          ..... No thoughts arise .... ????? Absolute numbers will not suffer ... It will be more difficult for those who buy equipment, materials, products for a dollar ...... And there will be nothing for the budget ....
          1. 0
            28 November 2014 14: 06
            Quote: aleks 62
            No thoughts arise .... ???

            Nothing new has been done this way throughout all the democratic years.
          2. 0
            28 November 2014 17: 19
            Quote: aleks 62
            The budget is made up in rubles .....
            ..See: 100dol / bar.kh35 rub. = 3500 rub.
            70dol./bar.h 50 rub. = 3500 rub.
            I think that at 60dol./bar.h 58rub. = 3480rub.

            ..... No thoughts arise .... ????? Absolute numbers will not suffer ..

            And the absolute people?
            1. 0
              28 November 2014 19: 33
              ...... And the absolute people? ....

              ...... And people in the anal .... Mostly ... recourse
        5. 0
          28 November 2014 13: 57
          Why cut it. Therefore, they let the ruble go on a free trip. The grandmother’s pension will remain in the amount of 10 rubles, + 000% indexation for incomprehensible inflation as calculated, and the prices for most goods will double. The same applies to all other state employees and federal program budgets.
          1. Userpic
            0
            28 November 2014 21: 58
            Quote: serrrrgo
            incomprehensible as calculated inflation
            It is quite understandable: half of the goods and services, based on the dynamics of prices for which inflation is calculated, are goods and services that are not socially significant goods and services of mass consumption. Prices for them change insignificantly, thereby smoothing out 20-25% of consumer inflation for goods and services that are significant for 80% of the population.

            Тут перечень: http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/B99_10/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d040/6-1-2.htm
            1. 0
              28 November 2014 22: 08
              And what is there specifically "not" for the liberals? Fixing trousers or making a coffin? If the coffin, then do not renounce ... Ah, I understand, I quote: "Toothpaste, 100 g"! I wonder why it stinks like that? And this liberals saved on toothpaste!
        6. +2
          28 November 2014 16: 20
          Quote: Natalia
          Now the price is $ 71.22, the forecast price is below $ 60, and you don’t have to have the gift of foresight to understand that you will have to revise the budget for next year and cut many federal target programs. Including the rearmament program.

          Natalya., Good afternoon! hi
          This budget has been drawn up and adopted - 2 WEEKS BACK - with an oil price of 96 bucks - it’s not clear at all, they are completely divorced from reality there, or if they’ve planned 96, it’ll be so
          There will not be much cuts this year - there will be enough rubles, the dollar will grow - but the next budget will be completely cut.
          For reasons
          1. Indexation of salaries due to inflation
          2. Cost growth
          3 NWF and Reserves - will dry out.
      2. +1
        28 November 2014 21: 07
        and if so?
        Oil has fallen in price, the dollar has risen in price.
        They sold oil for 30 rubles, now we sell for 50. Can there even be a surplus in the budget?

        "
        -you got behind the wheel drunk and a traffic cop stopped you
        I'll give a bribe
        a policewoman and doesn’t take bribes
        I'll meet you!
        she’s scary!
        -and I'm already drunk! "
    5. +2
      28 November 2014 12: 33
      I will say so, I do not rank myself among the liberals or the trolls sitting on the site and farting in one direction or another. I will say what I think:
      -Oil prices are falling, and gasoline in Russia is getting more expensive (our people are the most patient)
      -chernozemic lands piled up - and the products become more expensive (our people are the most patient)
      -Automotive industry- sales decline, and car prices climb up (our people are the most patient)
      - Sechin is proud: that since the oil price has fallen, we will survive, our people are the most patient, and we will cut off all the arrears to the budget from them (we will raise the price of gasoline).
      - education is free - lies, in the primary class for a child three times a month fees for anything.
      -Medics will take with the old policy, horseradish, turn back, where you got it,
      .... The people are the most patient ??????
      .... part of the people lives in Russia .... when leaving the Moscow Ring Road I occasionally hear different things about those who live inside the Moscow Ring Road.
      Many do not even have a clue about what sexots write and troll here.
      But the people have their own opinion for sure, and it differs from the opinion of the trolls.
      1. +1
        28 November 2014 14: 16
        Quote: zloybond
        -Oil prices are falling, and gasoline in Russia is getting more expensive (our people are the most patient)

        Why they are getting more expensive, in dollars he even fell in price) And oil in rubles has risen in price a little.
    6. 0
      28 November 2014 18: 16
      That's it! The people will endure. But the people are ruled by the liberals (bear, Siluan, Nabiul, etc., etc.). And they do not want to "endure".
    7. 0
      28 November 2014 18: 16
      That's it! The people will endure. But the people are ruled by the liberals (bear, Siluan, Nabiul, etc., etc.). And they do not want to "endure".
      1. +1
        28 November 2014 18: 21
        Quote: Vorlon
        That's it! The people will endure. But the people are ruled by the liberals (bear, Siluan, Nabiul, etc., etc.). And they do not want to "endure".

        Damn, what Putin is so gullible.
        Maybe someone will tell him, he probably doesn’t know.
        Different Medvedevs and Siluanovs come to Him - they pour oil into their ears, and he does not know about the aspirations and troubles of the common people.
        lol
  2. +8
    28 November 2014 09: 10
    The Saudis seem to have decided to finish off the "shale revolution" of their main ally
    1. +8
      28 November 2014 09: 14
      Quote: Spade
      The Saudis seem to have decided to finish off the "shale revolution" of their main ally

      and Russia is the second "hare" ...
      1. +4
        28 November 2014 09: 24
        There is "nothing personal, just business" on the part of the Saudis. Moreover, according to rumors, they are offering oil for the United States at prices lower than global ones.

        The Narot may not remember this, but the sharp drop in oil prices in 2008 finished off the "plant revolution". Then there were a lot of plans, even Belarus tried to establish the production of diesel. fuel from raw materials grown in contaminated areas

        So in the long term it is beneficial not only to the CA but also to Russia.
      2. 0
        28 November 2014 11: 13
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        and Russia is the second "hare" ...

        No, Russia is the first hare here. And the only one. Glory to the 14-year rule and the development of the commodity economy!
        1. 0
          28 November 2014 13: 37
          Quote: anip
          Glory to the 14-year rule and the development of the commodity economy!

          But was there another? Selling raw materials has always been the main source of income.
      3. Natalia
        +1
        28 November 2014 12: 31
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        and Russia is the second "hare" ...

        how to kill two birds with one stone, or more birds with one stone?
        It takes a lot of money, albeit printed money.
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    3. +5
      28 November 2014 09: 26
      How would these Saudis (if they really decided to bury shale hydrocarbon production in the United States) not run into problems in the form of some ISIS or a coup inside the country, following the example of Libya. We know all the standard moves and patterns of Uncle Sam!
      1. +7
        28 November 2014 09: 40
        Quote: Sharky
        No matter how these Saudis run into problems in the form of some ISIS or a coup within the country, following the example of Libya. We know all the standard moves and patterns of Uncle Sam!

        If America needed this, then another "color revolution" would have already begun in Saudi Arabia, but this is not there - then everything is going according to D. Sam's plan.
        1. +2
          28 November 2014 11: 13
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          If America needed this, then another "color revolution" would have already begun in Saudi Arabia, but this is not there - then everything is going according to D. Sam's plan.

          That's right !!!
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      3. +1
        28 November 2014 10: 22
        For the states, conflict with the Saudis is a nightmare. They still remember the 70x Arab oil embargo. And the Saudis are leaders of the Arab world, the whole of Arabistan will rise for them
        1. +2
          28 November 2014 11: 15
          Quote: maxcor1974
          And the Saudis are leaders of the Arab world, the whole of Arabistan will rise for them

          No one will rise for them.
    4. +1
      28 November 2014 09: 36
      Quote: Spade
      The Saudis seem to have decided to finish off the "shale revolution" of their main ally

      It is unlikely. If you believe the article [http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29643612 "Falling oil prices: Who are the winners and losers?"] ("Falling oil prices - who are the winners and losers?" - there in English , but there are online translators), 82% of shale oil fields in America have a profit margin of $ 60 / barrel and below. And if it drops to $ 60, the Saud and the Cathars will scratch.
    5. Fin
      +6
      28 November 2014 09: 50
      Quote: Spade
      The Saudis seem to have decided to finish off the "shale revolution" of their main ally

      I doubt it. For the sixes to go against the owner, he must be bedridden with no hope of recovery. Here is a more cunning and long game, which is directed against the Russian Federation and Venezuela in the first place.
      1. 0
        28 November 2014 14: 22
        I agree, as they say, while the fat dries, the thin one dies. I think that we are deliberately taking losses in the oil shale industry in order to try to bring Russia to its knees; in the long run, this is quite beneficial, if it works out of course.
        Plus, someone overly tanned has already gone personal motives, which can be stronger than caring for their own economy and citizens.
    6. FACKtoREAL
      +3
      28 November 2014 10: 07
      The Saudis seem to have decided to finish off the "shale revolution" of their main ally
      Saudis without Washington’s approval do not even fart under the covers! laughing
      Otherwise, the Americans vividly overthrow the Saudi tyranny ...
      1. 0
        28 November 2014 11: 22
        Here the situation is exactly the opposite - the tail (Saudis) turns the dog
    7. +1
      28 November 2014 11: 11
      Quote: Spade
      The Saudis seem to have decided to finish off the "shale revolution" of their main ally

      This is just a screen. Otherwise, the United States would have long ago started "bringing democracy" to Saudi Arabia. Is not it?
  3. +1
    28 November 2014 09: 16
    Forgive me Oleg Chuvakin, but he is not right about the fact that we are "strangled by Western sanctions." Western sanctions are stifling primarily the West itself, which is in a protracted debt crisis. And we have a huge potential internal market, and they will inevitably remember about it when they play enough games of influence.
    That’s why the article is minus.
    1. 0
      28 November 2014 09: 49
      FULLY TRUE. They try sanctions on themselves, forgetting that Russians are not Western snotty liberalism. We lived and developed in much more severe conditions. Now the main thing is not to give in (I mean young people) and continue to bend our line.
    2. -1
      29 November 2014 02: 04
      I agree, colleague. To me, Dude, it reminds me of the paid that I got in here. Some emotions, for any reason. And then speculation on emotions. Dude-rammed sheep. The talking alias of the afftor.
  4. +2
    28 November 2014 09: 16
    The Saudis are the hounds of the Americans ...!
    They don't have many options. They will do whatever the "egregor" says ...., and, unfortunately, he is in favor ... at least FOR THE TIME !!!
    1. +5
      28 November 2014 09: 21
      Quote: SVAROGE
      The Saudis are the hounds of the Americans ...!
      They do not have many options. Will do

      oh don't tell me! these tv.a.r.i and for people do not consider anyone but themselves, and primarily pursue only their interests.
  5. 0
    28 November 2014 09: 18
    It seems that the conspiracy theorists were right, and they will now rule the world Saudis, not the Americans.

    God works in mysterious ways. Wait and see.
  6. +5
    28 November 2014 09: 18
    Quote: Spade
    The Saudis seem to have decided to finish off the "shale revolution" of their main ally



    It's funny!
    One of the methods of withdrawal into the false aspect of the essence ....!
    Look at the root, my friend !!! )))
    1. +1
      28 November 2014 09: 45
      eh, comrade, create an intrigue - created, but do not want to share your thoughts?)
      1. +1
        28 November 2014 10: 23
        Yes, yes, let's set your thoughts on fire, then that the vassals of the Pindo.sov Saudis destroy the shale dreams of Amers, no one believes of course ...
  7. +1
    28 November 2014 09: 23
    As it has fallen and will rise, now it will cease to be mined to anyone who is not profitable, demand will increase, they will form a deficit and raise to 140, speculators on the exchange will weld up. Oil, a non-renewable resource, so it will soon cost more than gold.
  8. -2
    28 November 2014 09: 23
    I think if this harms the USA more than Russia, then THIS is GOOD!
    1. -1
      28 November 2014 13: 46
      Quote: ia-ai00
      I think if this harms the USA more than Russia, then THIS is GOOD!

      I won’t have a cow, if only my neighbor didn’t have two!
      1. 0
        28 November 2014 14: 07
        If this neighbor doesn’t touch me, then let him have a HERD of cows, I’ll only rejoice, being a man, ABSOLUTELY NOT ENVY, and if HE WILL START on mine, then let him die, the last!
  9. +6
    28 November 2014 09: 26
    And what is so frightening to us is the price of oil, and let's see how much our top oil workers get their salaries and salaries, whether their salaries fall, I think not, but the niches are top officials, the president, the prime minister, the government, where the hell, sf In 2013-2014, salaries will sharply reduce, whether they would reduce them, because the authorities had to calculate this crisis, and the possibility of sanctions came from a mediocre, dumb domestic policy, especially its economic part, because they were able to calculate in advance their salaries, of course, their pocket it’s a good thing, but they will be raking at the expense of the PEOPLE. That's how much% oil fell by so many percent to deprive the salaries of the owners of oil companies and our top officials, and this will be the highest social justice, how you work and you get it.
    1. 0
      28 November 2014 10: 09
      Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
      And what so scares us the price of oil


      I've found an interesting article. Worth thinking about ...

      "WHAT HAS NOT BEEN NOTICE IN THE KREMLIN

      The Kremlin did not notice that in the US, Rossi reactors had already begun to be manufactured.

      In the reactors of Russia (in the Russian Federation they are considered fraud and quackery, as everything is new), nickel powder and a special catalyst are used. Rossi himself now lives in the United States, and his installations worth $ 1,5 million are produced in North Carolina by Industrial Heat LLC (Raleigh, NC).
      They - contrary to the cries of academic donkeys - give many times more energy than they consume.
      In early October (2014 - MK) a report was published by an independent group on the test of the E-CAT heat generator, created by Andrea Rossi. Six professors from Italy and Sweden studied the generator for 32 days and measured all possible parameters. Then they processed the results for six months and engaged in their comprehension. Their verdict is unambiguous: the Rossi generator works and produces an incredible amount of heat - the energy density is millions of times more than when burning gasoline of the same mass. And in the device itself, the isotopic composition of the “combustible” materials changes, i.e. nuclear reactions occur. In this case, no emissions were detected outside the reactor.

      In March 2014, six physics professors from Bologna (Italy), Stockholm and Uppsala (Sweden) conducted a thorough study of this same wonder - the Rossi generator called E-CAT.

      http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmi

      t.pdf
      The contents of the reactor are a little nickel powder, into which hydrogen is pumped under pressure, plus some kind of catalyst additive. When the tube is warmed up, it begins to produce a huge amount of energy, many times more than was expended. Temperature measurements were carried out continuously by two particularly precise thermal chambers and recorded on a computer. Other appliances recorded electricity consumption. Scientists conducted round-the-clock observation of the generator, while Rossi himself was not near the stand. In addition, all this action took place in an independent laboratory in Switzerland, where the premises were rented so that there was no hint of a possible secret energy supply and manipulation of the results.

      The ratio of energy received to spent is indicated by the letters KS. So, in this experiment, the average CS was 3,74. That is, the Rossi generator generated energy in 3,74 times more than received during warm-up ... "
      Forum.msk.ru, 28.11.14/XNUMX/XNUMX

      If anyone has information, please share.
      I hear for the first time.
      But if this is not "crap" - to all "hydrocarbons" ...
      What, sooner or later, should happen.
      Accordingly, those who SIT on the "pipes" - too ...
      1. +1
        28 November 2014 13: 51
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        The Kremlin did not notice that in the US, Rossi reactors had already begun to be manufactured.

        Do not read the yellow press before dinner - bad for digestion! And God forbid to stuff others with it ... they might laugh!
      2. 0
        28 November 2014 23: 36
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        some nickel powder into which hydrogen is injected under pressure

        On this it was possible to finally assert that the "news" is complete ...
        According to Focardi, “hydrogen is heated at a given temperature with a simple electric heater. When the ignition temperature is reached, the process of energy production begins: the hydrogen atoms penetrate the nickel and transform it into copper ”(Beware the Russian Copper Company and UMMC)
        Yeong E. Kim, a physics professor at Purdue University, and a member of the American Physical Society, has previously developed Bose-Einstein condensation theory for nuclear fusion in order to explain low-energy nuclear reactions. He released a preprint entitled "A Generalized Bose-Einstein Condensation Theory for Nuclear Fusion for Hydrogen-Metal Systems," in which he applied his theory to an energy catalyst. He stated that provided that the energy catalyst operates at a temperature higher than the Curie temperature of nickel (358 ° C) and at a hydrogen pressure of 22 bar, a weak magnetic field of the nickel surface can allow two neighboring protons to combine their spins to form a correlated state (singlet condition) with anti-parallel backs. This would lead to two types of bosons, namely nickel nuclei on one side and a composite boson of combined protons on the other. Provided that their speed is sufficiently low, they could have a long overlap of De Broglie waves, which would lead to Bose-Einstein condensation, in which the Coulomb barrier could be overcome. This would allow various nuclear transformations producing isotopes of copper and low-energy gamma rays.
        I'll tell you about powders: There was a 10-year-old megamaster a car mechanic 1 night completely sorted out any engine (VAZ, Zhopel, Toyota, Merz, etc.). But such productivity was possible only after the adoption of a workaholic tool from the Central South American region. drinks
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    3. +2
      28 November 2014 11: 18
      Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
      and our top officials, president, prime minister, government, state duma, sf, who raised their salaries sharply in 2013-2014, whether they would reduce them, because the authorities had to calculate this crisis, and the possibility of sanctions came from a mediocre, dumb domestic policy , especially the economic part of it, because they were able to calculate in advance their salaries, of course their business is good, and they will rake at the expense of the PEOPLE.

      Well, how do you like? And, it would seem, where do you yourself-know-who?
  10. +4
    28 November 2014 09: 28
    To pretend, they do a good face at a bad game. For the states, the loss of shale oil is not critical and can cover production for a while, but who will feed the parasites inside the OPEC countries? Everything seems to be agreed and compensated. Who prevents the states from drawing a couple tons of green paper.
  11. +3
    28 November 2014 09: 32
    Well, Gospada officers Based on the schedule, the CSTO troops, under a plausible pretext, should enter Iraq. It remains to come up with an occasion.
  12. +9
    28 November 2014 09: 36
    Saudis in cahoots with mattresses. The striped-eared shale oil can be produced at any cost - they have a printing press. They are trying to "bend" Russia, but in fact they are treating oil addiction.
  13. qwentin86
    +2
    28 November 2014 09: 36
    Arabs want to want to sit down on a Christmas tree and don’t rip off
  14. 0
    28 November 2014 09: 41
    The current government should be smart enough to withstand this conflict.
  15. +1
    28 November 2014 09: 49
    There is a war of nerves, who will be the first to fail. And the position of the flooded monarchies and "light elves" this time is not very rosy. The flooded monarchies are about to face the change of generations, carve-up who is more important, the light elves have a noose around their necks in the form of oil, gas and colossal debt. Light elves grow only on paper physically for a long time in the red
  16. +8
    28 November 2014 09: 56
    Strangeooooooooooooooh ... oil is getting cheaper and cheaper, and gas station prices are rising and rising
    1. +1
      28 November 2014 10: 29
      Yeah, I remember with a sharp increase in our ears blew that supposedly "everything is in order the market is the market oil has increased in price, so fuel accordingly" and now they do not even bother explaining why oil is getting cheaper and the price of fuel is getting more expensive ???
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    3. +2
      28 November 2014 11: 16
      Not that strange, the lower the oil, the more expensive gasoline, since there is a difference where to mine either at + 40 or at -40 degrees Celsius, the cost of production in Siberia is greater than in Saudi Arabia, so we will compensate for the difference between $ 90 and $ 70 and worse than $ 60
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    4. +3
      28 November 2014 11: 57
      It's just that all over the world gasoline is made from oil, and in Russia it looks like from dollars
      1. +2
        28 November 2014 13: 54
        Quote: Tatarus
        It's just that all over the world gasoline is made from oil, and in Russia it looks like from dollars

        BRAVO !!!
  17. +1
    28 November 2014 10: 05
    They'll joke, "color. Revolution" has not been canceled yet !!!
  18. +1
    28 November 2014 10: 06
    And judging by the words of the OPEC Secretary General, Saudi Arabia is really trying, if not drive the US out of the oil market, then, at least, it is noticeable to weaken the position of a new participant in the world trade in black gold. Washington got into such a strange situation that he does not even know how to object and whether to object at all: after all, Riyadh at the same time beats hard in Moscow! And the White House is now used to operating politics to the detriment of the economy.

    The fall in oil demand in the fall occurs annually, as does the decline in prices. These changes are easily predicted and taken into account in the calculations of profits and losses.
    The natural process of economics.
    The storages are full in preparation for the winter and until they are pumped out, oil demand will be low. If I bought 4 tons of coal for the winter, I will not buy it until it runs out or the time comes to stock up on fuel for the next winter.
    Oil producers in the United States will suffer major losses, their oil fields are profitable for mining only at very high oil prices.
  19. +3
    28 November 2014 10: 07
    The states only recently closed the printing press and quantitative easing program. And now they will need to pump loot into their shale oil. In short, public debt will develop at a good pace. I think if half a year there will be low prices nothing catastrophic will happen. But the amount of heavy production in the market will decrease. Is this good for the Arctic ?? I don’t know, but I think that oil as a source of energy should be replaced by something more predictable and affordable for everyone, regardless of the United States or anyone else. But this is not soon. We are waiting for the Russian thermonuclear reactor.
    1. +1
      28 November 2014 14: 41
      Russia has a better project - a closed nuclear cycle.
      But oil should not be thrown into the basket yet - cheap energy does not harm anyone.
      And the Arctic will produce oil after the 20th year - just when its price is $ 200
  20. +2
    28 November 2014 10: 07
    For political reasons, the Americans sharply increased their production of shale oil for political reasons, its surplus appeared, the Saudis did not like it and they decided not to reduce production in order to remove this excess oil, such are the "peepers" who are the first to "blink"
  21. lom
    0
    28 November 2014 10: 09
    Quote: Poppy
    it’s bad that the liberal has access to the media

    pedorostia-liberalism -from the same opera
    1. +1
      28 November 2014 13: 58
      Quote: lom
      pedorostia-liberalism -from the same opera

      Thought for a long time? Spinoza ... And how does this relate to oil prices?
  22. +3
    28 November 2014 10: 17
    but I’m wondering why we, as a country, producing oil and gas in huge numbers do not affect its pricing, why do some Arabs and Americans decide for us ??
  23. or
    +1
    28 November 2014 10: 18
    In my opinion, the one who harnesses for a long time will be the winner?
  24. +1
    28 November 2014 10: 24
    We are waiting for a sharp jump in prices at our gas stations. The owners of "ours" oil will not allow their personal incomes to fall.
  25. +1
    28 November 2014 10: 25
    It annoys me that 95 is already worth 36r / l., To see our oil bonzes lose profits oh how I do not want ....
  26. lom
    -2
    28 November 2014 10: 28
    a dollar 50 rubles sale of a scb bank I have money for 500 dollars; I’ll buy a buy next year it will work out in a trench; I’ll change the dollar from a huckster for a stew
  27. sergey05
    0
    28 November 2014 10: 35
    in saudi arabia lack of democracy bomb it.
    You look and prices are normalizing
  28. +1
    28 November 2014 10: 37
    Traditionally, the "nuance" has been forgotten - exporters do not sell the price of oil, but volumes at price. And if the demand resiliently responds to the fall in prices and grows, then the sales proceeds will not fall so much.
  29. 0
    28 November 2014 10: 46
    From all the above, the question follows. Who will be out of breath faster? Russia or the USA.
    I think the USA.
  30. 0
    28 November 2014 10: 47
    The film is Chapaev, the Kappel people go on a psychic attack .. So here, sow panic, gobble run and with the rest to steer the process. Since the Saudis are smiling, then they know what is happening. There is one fundamental but budget. Those countries that have reserves can survive, and of course 3,14 are endorsers with their own machine, but shale oil and gas will bury this drop in prices .. Russia will have a hard time, gas prices are tied to oil prices, which means budget revenues will drop significantly, but we’ll survive not the first time.
  31. +8
    28 November 2014 10: 55
    All taldychat that the ruble-dollar exchange rate depends on the cost of oil.
    We have:
    * 2005 - the cost of oil is $ 65 per barrel (from the above chart) - (http://afga.ru/?p=156) the ruble exchange rate was about 28 rubles per dollar and 34-36 rubles per euro.
    * 2008 - the cost of oil is about $ 67 per barrel (from the above chart) - http://afga.ru/?p=1197) the ruble exchange rate was 24–28 rubles per dollar and 36–41 rubles per euro.

    At the moment, the cost of oil is $ 72 per barrel, so why now at the Central Bank 47,66 rubles per dollar and 59,62 rubles per euro, if oil is now more expensive than in 2008 and 2005 ??

    But "krymnash", "russiavstayotskolen".
    1. 0
      28 November 2014 12: 56
      so why is it now at the Central Bank 47,66 rubles per dollar and 59,62 rubles per euro if oil is now more expensive than in 2008 and 2005 ??
      Because growth was then associated with the strengthening of the ruble: the ruble weakened significantly less than inflation. If it can reach your consciousness. Now, with the fall in oil prices, the ruble is compensating for the strengthening with its weakening, giving out inflation accumulated over these years.
      1. Userpic
        0
        28 November 2014 22: 15
        Quote: Tektor
        Because growth was then associated with the strengthening of the ruble: the ruble weakened significantly less than inflation
        86-FZ "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation"

        4 Article. The Bank of Russia performs the following functions:
        15) sets and publishes official foreign exchange rates against the ruble;
      2. +1
        29 November 2014 22: 15
        Quote: Tektor
        Because growth was then associated with the strengthening of the ruble: the ruble weakened significantly less than inflation. If it can reach your consciousness.

        And such a thing can reach your consciousness:
        If the ruble exchange rate depends on the price of oil, then why did the ruble weaken when the price of oil rose?
    2. 0
      28 November 2014 22: 55
      Yes, our Crimea!
      look wider and deeper, you are aware that the entrance to the Sea of ​​Azov was under the control of Ukraine (read NATO). In the future, we lost everything that Russia has sought for centuries - access to the sea! Maybe you don’t know that you can get out of the Baltic with rivers and canals through the basics of the Black Sea and beyond?
      even if we just stood aside, then the Ukrainians would have been confronted with the denunciation of the treaties on the Black Sea Fleet, and the replacement would have been another fleet ... which could have hit a tahmahawk across Moscow from the wall! and about Crimea!
      the Caucasus, Karabakh, etc.
      economic problems would come later, but they would be cooler.
  32. +4
    28 November 2014 10: 57
    The government of the Russian Federation expects an increase in the number of poor http://www.finmarket.ru/news/3872563
    The average salary of federal officials from the beginning of the year grew by 18% http://www.interfax.ru/business/409243
  33. +3
    28 November 2014 11: 04
    Oil costs $ 120 per barrel. 1 ruble costs 25 dollars. That's right. Well, I really want to. laughing
    1. 0
      29 November 2014 07: 50
      Better 92 cents per ruble ... as in the USSR laughing
    2. 0
      29 November 2014 22: 20
      Quote: Doctor
      Oil costs $ 120 per barrel. 1 ruble costs 25 dollars.

      Urals oil in 2012 was worth $ 110 per barrel, the ruble exchange rate - 29-32 rubles per dollar. Remember, the ruble will never strengthen under the current rulers, it will always fall, as this is one of the sources of the super-profit of the oligarchy, which, as Putin said, we do not have.
  34. 0
    28 November 2014 11: 23
    We should not forget one more thing: the world is experiencing a rapid decline in oil production wells, in fact, there is a strong decline in production at old fields, respectively, an increase in cost. And exploration and development of new deposits lags behind production decline. The Saudis officially declared oil reserves have raised questions from experts for the past 2-3 years. Oil is becoming increasingly difficult to extract, at great depths it is, but there is no technology for its extraction. Therefore, Rosneft and climbed onto the Arctic coast.
  35. 0
    28 November 2014 11: 42
    Quote: Natalia
    OPEC understands what they want, to make shale oil unprofitable.
    BUT ..... there is one big BUT.

    US shale companies are backed by the US Federal Reserve.
    Do not forget that all shale developments are very heavily subsidized from the Fed. And behind the Fed is a printing press.

    OPEC essentially wants to replay the US Federal Reserve which has a printing press.
    And the task in this sense is the most difficult.

    Well, if the United States "suddenly" finds a violation of human rights among the Saudis, that's fine. To joke with journalists is not to juggle words with a dog.
  36. 0
    28 November 2014 12: 29
    If the price does not suit do not sell. This market or x ... dog. Let them carry ships from the USA. Maybe it will be cheaper. Conclude a contract for a year. Coordinate the price for a month. Prepayment.
  37. +3
    28 November 2014 12: 31
    Most of the people of "our country" are interested in the question of the price of gasoline / diesel fuel, and the price is growing and the forecast for 2015. not comforting at all. At the moment, the average price of 95 gasoline and diesel fuel is about 36 rubles. (average price by region). Right now it’s winter, and then spring will come (I hope) and sowing will begin, our dead agricultural sector will be just HAPPY in beautifully beautiful fuel prices, well, let's say 50 rubles per liter, and then what will follow ?? right, food prices will go up and everything else. And we (ordinary Russians) will live happily and happily !!!!
    1. 0
      28 November 2014 22: 29
      Explain to me siroma why in Russia when the price of oil decreases, the price of gasoline rises, in the United States the price falls, you can already buy for 75-80 cents per liter, this price includes 20 cents of tax. At the same time, the United States is building up its strategic reserve by winter (by buying cheap oil). Therefore, IMHO the low price of oil oh how the states suit.
      1. +1
        29 November 2014 22: 21
        Quote: denis02135
        Explain to me siroma why in Russia, with a decrease in oil prices, the price of gasoline rises

        Because oligarchs need to compensate for losses from lowering oil prices.
  38. +1
    28 November 2014 12: 49
    Yesterday Karievsky in the program on the Course of the Day on Russia 24 openly said that the current OPEC decision was pushed by the states in alliance with the Saudis. The goal is to reduce Russia's share in the oil market. For this share there will be a struggle between the rest of the oil producers: a pack of "dogs" are thrown a bone.
    On the other hand, reducing the dependence of our economy on the oil needle, just requires a decrease in oil supplies, i.e. This is consistent with our plans. We need to increase the share of non-commodity exports. This is the task of the moment, and oil is refined domestically.
  39. -2
    28 November 2014 12: 53
    One gets the impression that someone will soon drop a nuclear bomb on Saudi Arabia.
  40. +3
    28 November 2014 13: 53
    I moved to the village, I somehow suddenly felt completely do not care about both oil prices and the dollar. Eating potatoes with pork, no one has yet died of starvation.
  41. +3
    28 November 2014 13: 57
    The price of oil is not in the US Come on, you! What currency is this barrel traded for? For a dollar! Paper, green and African. I don’t even know the name of the currency of Saudi Arabia. Well, this is not in my head, and for many other than me it is.
    Nearby, Islamists give a barrel of oil for $ 20. Someone refused? No! Everyone rushed to buy! After all, it is extremely beneficial! Buy for 20, sell for 50, then for 70. I would love to integrate into this chain.
    I think there are many. Turks, Germans, French, Chinese, and Amirikans, too, will not disdain. Whole resources will be.
    But for some reason we do not want to do this!
    For some reason, we want to sell our own and more expensive.
    And do not have coffee about the suffering of the Sha. The Americans are happy to curtail their production, conserve everything and consume cheap oil for their candy wrappers.
    But what will Russia do?
  42. 0
    28 November 2014 14: 00
    For Russia, this is a "wonderful thing." That in the emirates gasoline will cost three rubles, and here gentlemen liberalissimos and oligarchs will raise prices in order to compensate for the losses from low oil prices and the collapse of the ruble, in order to make it easier to pay taxes next year. who owns the transportation will raise prices so as not to burn out. Accordingly, who uses their services too. And who will pay for all these games? Guess at once. Here in the comments someone asked about some salaries. See above. The most interesting thing will be after. The guarantor will make speeches about nothing, but you can’t touch anyone, not thirty-seventh year, you’ll pan. And let's go further. with gasoline at fifty 92 and sixty 95 to the music of Vivaldi and speeches in Valdai. Enjoy your trip.
  43. 0
    28 November 2014 14: 56
    "It seems that the conspiracy theorists were right, and the world will now be run by the Saudis, not the Americans."

    Americans count money first. If it suits them, they will quickly "bury" the Saudis.


    As for the budget ... Even when the price was $ 120 per barrel and the budget was set at $ 100 each, I said that 70-80 should be pledged, so that in case of anything, I would not end up in "F".
  44. 555somebody555
    0
    28 November 2014 15: 50
    Quote: RESEARCHER
    Who endures whom in this auction, he will win. Our people, as you know, are the most patient, except liberals of course. These howls will spread throughout the media.


    Found, than boasts, patience.
  45. 0
    28 November 2014 16: 06
    It is necessary to build refineries in Russia and deal with refining, and when raw materials + refining, a drop in prices for raw materials is not so scary.
  46. 0
    28 November 2014 16: 14
    Saudis cannot run the show because they are completely state-dependent. Probably even a soul was sold. So the Americans are conducting everything.
  47. -1
    28 November 2014 16: 32
    Anti-Putin nagging rushed through the forum.
  48. -1
    28 November 2014 16: 33
    Do not be surprised, because the financial system is also, in its way, a living organism, and in my opinion, the agony of the dollar system is happening now .. well, we have to jump with our feet when it’s already breathing. We’ll soon glue toilet toilets)
    1. +2
      28 November 2014 18: 18
      Quote: Muscovite
      Do not be surprised, because the financial system is also, in its way, a living organism, and in my opinion, the agony of the dollar system is happening now ..

      Somehow I doubt that you are a Muscovite
      Quote: Muscovite
      . Soon we will glue toilets in a dollar)

      Take the rubles. today they need 50 times less.
      Just math. hi
      1. usinsk 71
        0
        28 November 2014 20: 27
        smiled .... just math ...
      2. -1
        28 November 2014 23: 04
        And what minus you see later yourself.
        1. 0
          28 November 2014 23: 18
          Here's a plus for you, dear Muscovite. You are right, the dollar is agonizing, life is rushing before our eyes - Washington ... Fed ... Bretton Woods ... Obama ...)))
          True, when he dies, everything around will poison ...
          1. 0
            29 November 2014 22: 31
            When the dollar dies about the ruble already and no one will remember that this was once ...
  49. +4
    28 November 2014 18: 17
    Quote: Author
    Among the first losers who have to seriously tighten their belts and play inflation, there will undoubtedly be Venezuela and Russia.

    Yes, it is true, it can be seen from the diagram (production and reserves)


    UAE: Successful efforts to diversify the economy have reduced the share of oil and gas production in GDP up to 25% (2010), now in my opinion 14% (we have 52-53%)
    And what about their population? A FEW MILLIONS (up to 10), against our 147 (and even where it’s 10 months winter) ?, that it’s a decrease of $ 10,20,30, when mining in (5) 000 000 barrels per day compared to us 680 000 barrels per day? ORDER whole

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  50. 0
    28 November 2014 18: 28
    cares must be entered into the "red book". And then we have GDP all "cats" stroking wild animals. Let the "Bulava" or there .. "Liner" stroked. Ash is also like a sanitary. Well, ash dunes are not forests laughing
    And then ponimash rubbed about the slate.
  51. roMMMan
    +1
    28 November 2014 19: 12
    This morning the euro was 60, now, in the evening, it’s already 61 and a kopeck. It seems that it makes sense to follow Delyagin’s advice and convert everything that is rubles into euros (or dollars). The ruble will only fall today.
    Easy money for everyone) Well, yes, this is speculation in the currency market. You can speculate with virtually no risk, for absolutely everyone)
    Well, let's not miss it. Otherwise, with socialism rapidly approaching, such a freebie will not work)))
    1. 0
      28 November 2014 22: 58
      you need to invest in industrial goods!
  52. roMMMan
    +1
    28 November 2014 20: 14
    First comment on this resource, and no response. The old communists would at least scold me, or something. I would like to hear about the real sector, production, etc. You see, what a deal. I, for example, am a statesman, but within the framework of my family. Those. here I am the king and god (this expression is not to be taken literally), and the survival of my family depends entirely on me. All these 20 years have hardened and hardened me, you know.
  53. 0
    28 November 2014 20: 22
    It seems that a drop in oil prices is bad, but if the price of gasoline begins to fall, the Russian economy will have the opportunity to increase the production of goods since transport costs are very high.
  54. Tribuns
    +1
    28 November 2014 22: 30
    For more than twenty years, world oil prices have been quite decent... And why did Russia use “petrodollars” to modernize industry, carry out import substitution in the military-industrial complex, raise agriculture to the proper level, and make a qualitative breakthrough in science and education? Nothing has been done! Only when oil prices were low did they start doing this... And they began to “scold” those responsible for the destruction of Russian industry - liberal economists, whose roots go back to the main liberal of the country, Yegorushka Gaidar...
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  55. +1
    29 November 2014 02: 00
    Chuvakin was so annoying with his jingoism. Basically "-". Just emotions, where are the facts, where is the analysis?
  56. +1
    29 November 2014 07: 20
    Guys, let's leave the global categories for a minute and go home! The geography of subscribers is indicative!... The question is, how and where has the price of gasoline changed since the end of summer? (The dollar has gone up, oil has gone the other way.) On D.V. the cost, for example, of 95 was on average 36 rubles/l. But, unexpectedly, for 3 days (when Putin returned from Australia), the price at all gas stations dropped by 30-40-50 kopecks. But, only for 3 days! Now the price tag has moved to 40 rubles/l, it has moved boldly! In Kamchatka, apparently, it will be cheaper to refill with vodka!!! What do I mean, it would seem that the dynamics of all this financial and oil crap according to the calculator should lead to a decrease in prices within Our Immense! Fuck it! Again the Chinese sold a broken calculator!
    1. +1
      29 November 2014 22: 25
      Quote: dimasialyt
      Again the Chinese sold a broken calculator!

      That’s for sure, in everything in Russia it’s either the State Department’s fault or the Chinese calculator, but not the leadership of Russia itself. laughing
  57. +1
    29 November 2014 22: 21
    The author of the article SERIOUSLY believes that the price of oil is determined by the market... There are no more questions for the author - an amateur who does not understand the structure of the world around him... And the essence of what is happening now is the BEGINNING OF A GLOBAL WAR AGAINST RUSSIA. What is happening is ONLY THE FIRST SWALLOWS. So to speak, checking for lice. I think that Russia with the current leadership will not pass EVEN THIS ELEMENTARY TEST and will merge. Well, in case she (Russia), gritting her teeth and tightening her belts, will still endure these 2-3 years, they are already preparing HOT food for her. The Russian leadership URGENTLY NEEDS TO MOBILIZE THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY to prepare for a serious life-and-death war, something like in 41, but I doubt that it is capable of this.
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      29 November 2014 22: 27
      Quote: I think so
      The Russian leadership URGENTLY NEEDS TO MOBILIZE THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY to prepare for a serious life-and-death war, something like in 41, but I doubt that it is capable of this.

      Can you guess how the Russian leadership mobilizes its people? In my opinion, this is easy to do, you just need to look at the rise in prices and exchange rates.