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National Interest: Soviet weapons that still impress the West

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Cheap, simple, sometimes coarse, but always effective - Soviet weapon done according to a different concept than the west. However, it was no less deadly, writes expert Michael Peck and gives 5 the most successful, in his view, developments.

National Interest: Soviet weapons that still impress the West


Communism became an economic catastrophe and an ideological dead end for the Soviet Union — after all, it could not provide citizens with even sausage and toilet paper — but the USSR made magnificent weapons. As National Interest expert Michael Peck believes, certain types of Soviet weapons have become a legend and are still used in many conflicts around the world.

The Soviet weapon, the author continues, was a reflection of a different design concept: The West preferred complex, expensive, and overly congested design ideas to weapons systems, which focused on quality rather than quantity. And in the USSR they preferred cheaper, coarse, and simple weapons, which can be produced in large quantities. According to Peck, “for the Soviets“ well enough ”has become an enemy of the word“ better ”, if that“ well enough ”had a numerical advantage.”

Based on this, the author of the article has compiled a rating of the five best, in his opinion, types of Soviet weapons.

AK-47

According to Peck, the AK-47 is not just an automaton, but a real icon. More than 100 of millions of AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifles were produced in the world, and therefore such words as “ubiquitous” are not applicable here. Inspired, according to the author, by the German machine gun Stg-44, the AK-47 was a simple, cheap and reliable weapon, ideal for the Soviet army that was drafted by draftees and poorly trained Third World armies. If we talk about military and civilian casualties over the past 60 years, the AK-47 is probably the deadliest weapon on the planet.

T-34 Tank

Many experts actively dispute the claim that the T-34 was the best. a tank World War II, however, in the minds of dumbfounded and frightened German soldiers in 1941 there was no doubt. With a powerful 76,2-millimeter cannon, five-centimeter-thick armor located at an angle, and wide caterpillars to move through the mud, the T-34 at that time was superior to any German tank in terms of firepower, armor protection, and maneuverability.

“The T-34 had its flaws, but the Russians built the 84 000 T-34 tanks, and the Germans made such a powerful impression that they thought about creating their own version of such a machine. Despite the impressive performance of the T-34, Germany nearly captured the Soviet Union in 1941. This can be blamed on Soviet tactics, weak training of soldiers, but not a tank. When the Red Army gathered courage, the T-34 armada paved the way to Berlin, ”writes Michael Peck.

Katyusha jet installation

“Katyusha”, according to Peck, is a very paradoxical name for one of the most deadly artillery pieces in storiesBut this name was widely adopted, and many samples of reactive artillery began to be called Katyusha. Unguided rockets are not very precise, but Katusha worked very effectively. The Soviet army liked to suppress the German defense with its help. And even if the missiles fell inaccurately, the defenders who survived were too stunned to resist.

MiG-15

Created on the basis of captured German technology and having jet engines that the British foolishly sold to Moscow, the MiG-15 was a fast, highly maneuverable and well-armed vehicle. In the final years of World War II, American pilots were used to dominating the air, and therefore the appearance of the MiG-15 in the skies over Korea was a shock for them. Because of the Soviet aircraft, they had to abandon their departures during the day. He excelled the first US jet fighters, such as the P-80 and F-84. Only when the F-86 Saber appeared, the American pilots were able to fight the MiG-15 on an equal footing.

RPG-7

It would be wrong to say that the RPG-7 revolutionized the anti-tank war, however, continues Michael Peck, the RPG-7 became a model of portable hand-held rocket launchers. As the RPG-7 anti-tank weapon is not very accurate, but very inexpensive. The grenade launcher became a real “artillery for the poor” and, according to the expert, turned into almost the same icon as the AK-47.

“If military equipment and weapons are the greatest legacy of the Soviet Union, then it says a lot about what Soviet communism could offer. Be that as it may, Soviet weapons rightfully deserved a worthy place in history, ”the author concludes.
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 27 November 2014 05: 47
    +18
    AKM and RPG 7 are still the most popular weapon, I think in the next 50 years it is unlikely that there will be anything better by the criterion of cost-effectiveness.
    1. Mahmut
      Mahmut 27 November 2014 06: 06
      +94
      Communism became an economic catastrophe and an ideological impasse for the Soviet Union - after all, it could not provide citizens even with sausage and toilet paper.

      But capitalism was able to combine sausage with toilet paper. Dogs do not eat, even stray.
      1. sssla
        sssla 27 November 2014 10: 39
        +21
        Communism became an economic catastrophe and an ideological impasse for the Soviet Union - because it could not provide citizens even with sausage and toilet paper
        Well, now there is at least 50 varieties of sausages in one store from one vat but with beautiful labels and toilet paper, colored as a flag of pid. And what, awesome began to live better and friendlier ???
        1. jjj
          jjj 27 November 2014 12: 35
          +7
          In fact, there was no communism. There was a complete and final victory for socialism
          1. Old old
            Old old 27 November 2014 23: 58
            +1
            Actually, socialism was developed.
        2. Alf
          Alf 27 November 2014 20: 25
          +4
          Quote: sssla
          Well, now there is at least 50 varieties of sausages in one store from one vat but with beautiful labels and toilet paper, colored as a flag of pid. And what, awesome began to live better and friendlier ???
          1. Number 17
            Number 17 28 November 2014 13: 35
            +1
            Dear Leonid Ilyich, it’s good that you did not find this. I think your secret police would forbid you to eat what they sell to us from store shelves. And so everything is old. Now the former granary of the Union of Ukraine is finally being destroyed. But our anti-aircraft gunners then turned out to be in Vietnam, it was necessary to bring down one plane with a certain McCain, but he the dog remained alive and now scares everyone with a new war.
      2. Belopolyak
        Belopolyak 27 November 2014 11: 04
        +3
        Quote: Mahmut
        Communism became an economic catastrophe and an ideological impasse for the Soviet Union - after all, it could not provide citizens even with sausage and toilet paper.

        There was sabotage, many who worked in this industry at that time say that cars were driven into sedimentation tanks, and then they simply threw out the spoiled goods. I worked at one time at one of the surviving auto plants, so the old-timers told me about this period that all the drivers were dressed according to the latest "fashion" and bought foreign cars and some did not come for salary for 4 months.
        1. vezdehodov
          vezdehodov 27 November 2014 14: 04
          +1
          There were enough saboteurs at all times.
        2. Nick
          Nick 27 November 2014 20: 17
          +3
          Quote: Belopolsky
          There was sabotage, many who worked in this industry at that time say that cars were driven into sedimentation tanks, and then they simply threw out the spoiled goods. I worked at one time at one of the surviving auto plants, so the old-timers told me about this period that all the drivers were dressed according to the latest "fashion" and bought foreign cars and some did not come for salary for 4 months.

          The problems began with the revisionist Khrushchev. If under Stalin a multistructure market economy worked under the control and regulation of the state, then Khrushchev decided that socialism is only state means of production + Gosplan. And here it began ... Promo-operation and handicraftsmen were destroyed, the collective farms were almost completely advised, turning into state farms. There was a catastrophic alienation of the person of labor from the means of production and, as a result, the disinterest of workers as a result of labor. Motivation failed. Moreover, the State Planning Commission created a shortage of products and consumer goods. He tried to plan everything, From the construction of hydropower plants and metallurgical plants, which is reasonable, to the number of condoms in terms of average size per capita, which is essentially idiocy. Even modern supercomputers will not cope with such tasks, what can we say the technician of the 60s ...
      3. derik1970
        derik1970 27 November 2014 11: 17
        +15
        when the USSR fed half the world, therefore we lived a little poorly, maybe with the exception of the republics, although everything was relatively clear and it was necessary for the country to strengthen its defense ... but for example England was tearing seven skins at one time from its colonies, therefore it flourished ... for me it’s better to live in the USSR than in the USA, they just have such poverty there, as it was and has remained, and on a massive scale ... the capitalists have always lived at someone else’s expense ... I remember in our village they made a parasite alcoholic work ( there was one such a whole collective farm) forcibly, so as not to decompose the people ... nothing like this should be thought either in the United States or in other countries, just a turn ... so there was no particular disaster either with communism with ideology, although of course the adjustment of state policy was required ... the USSR was merged by traitors sitting in the government.
        1. Alf
          Alf 27 November 2014 20: 31
          0
          Quote: derik1970
          I remember in our village an alcoholic-parasite was forced to work (there was one such for the whole collective farm) forcibly, so as not to decompose the people ...

          If my memory serves me, there was an article in the USSR Criminal Code for parasitism, according to which the parasite was sent to all sorts of not popular in terms of geographic and climatic conditions and forced to work there. Joseph Brodsky whistled about this article at one time. Later Brodsky called this time "the best time in my life."
      4. Alf
        Alf 27 November 2014 20: 24
        +1
        Quote: Mahmut
        But capitalism was able to combine sausage with toilet paper. Dogs do not eat, even stray.

        Not true, not with toilet paper at all! With the periodic table. When you read the composition of the sausage, the thought arises implicitly - have I already skipped uranium or is it in the next line?
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 27 November 2014 09: 59
      +5
      Recognizing enemies about the quality of our weapons is the best compliment.
      1. Drednout
        Drednout 27 November 2014 10: 41
        +8
        But, Western bastard, did not apply to blather about the copied Nazi technologies. Wernher von Braun didn’t work for amers? And comparing the Stg-44 with the AKM is not at all correct! And about Migi, too. Here "Tsar-Bombu" forgot to mention Korolev's missiles.
        1. Velikoruss
          Velikoruss 27 November 2014 14: 28
          +3
          To be objective, although he was western cattle, he didn’t lie very much about the relationship between the storm trooper and the AK-47; the first versions of Kalash very closely resembled storm troopers both in terms of locking and assembly patterns. And in the final version of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, only the ideology of automatic weapons for medium distances for an intermediate cartridge and a similar layout remained from the German, and in the nodes successful designs by American, Czech and Soviet designers are guessed. Mikhail Timofeevich managed to collect many successful solutions in his brainchild.
          As for the MiG-15, Western cattle also did not lie. It was created on the basis of trophy documentation for the German promising fighter Ta 183 Tabellen (Huckebein) company Fokke-Wulf. ta183] True, there’s no need to talk about blind copying, but we used German’s developments in the field of swept wing aerodynamics. To calm your worried vanity, I’ll say that the MiG’s main rival, the American F-86, was created on the basis of the same Ta 183 and even more so. Because the Americans, in addition to fragments of documentation, also got prototypes. The engines of the first Soviet aircraft were created on the basis of the latest English Ning engines, imprudently transferred to us by the British wink ... Generally, ideas in the field of weapons are actively "borrowed" by everyone and everyone. That's why intelligence works.
          1. AKM9
            AKM9 27 November 2014 14: 48
            +5
            Hello Great Russian, genius differs from everyday life in that, with all their intelligence and their technologies, the same Germans could not create an AK-47 and the same Americans could not do it. They had their own assault rifles, high tech and interesting, but they weren't AK-47s. The Americans once had high-tech Phantoms, Corsairs, F-104s, etc., but these were not the MiG-21, which impressed them, and I really don't want to.
            1. Velikoruss
              Velikoruss 27 November 2014 20: 24
              +1
              AKM9!
              And in his thoughts he did not somehow doubt the talent of Mikhail Timofeevich. If you followed the debate about replacing AKs with AEKs, you probably noticed that I was a strong opponent of such a decision and tried to substantiate my point of view. Kalashnikov created small arms, which will not be similar for a long time to the impact on world history. Created taking into account precisely domestic requirements, which proves that Soviet military thought was at least one of the most advanced, if not the most advanced for its time. But genius is actually almost commonplace in that part of the globe called RUSSIA
          2. Drednout
            Drednout 27 November 2014 16: 45
            +1
            Velikorus, thanks for the detailed answer on the MiGs, but I am most indignant at the other moment; after the war, we removed the Zeiss machines with engineers and on trophy STs with the Fock-Wulf engines we personally still had to go and the machines are still at the factory with German nameplates from the times of Adolf, but the guys under the command of Alan Dallas drove a lot more in both quantitative and qualitative ratio and after all this they try to kick our designers.
            Another example - Korolev's R-5 cassette was copied from an experimental Nazi rocket, but the same Brown himself personally took part in the Apollo programs and other NASA, but NASA's achievements are considered exclusively Yankee's merit.
            1. tomket
              tomket 27 November 2014 18: 23
              0
              Quote: Drednout
              Velikorus, thanks for the detailed answer on the MiGs, but I am most outraged most of all other moment

              Dear Great Russian, blindly copies American propaganda during the Korean War. When the Americans were beaten by MiGs, they, as an excuse for their losses, launched a "canard" that the MiG-15 was a Russian modification of the Ta-183. Which is nowhere documented and has never been confirmed. In fact, the great Russian continues to broadcast American anger and hatred against our people, who did not even bother to check the correctness of this myth.
            2. Velikoruss
              Velikoruss 27 November 2014 21: 01
              +1
              Drednout, do not take the howling of mattress mats and other Western rags to heart. We call it "to show off". The best tactic with regard to the opinion of the West is to listen wisely, nod and ... do exactly the opposite with respect to their wishes. The same should be applied to their assessments: the more squealing and indignation, the more correctly we acted. For example, the result of too careful consideration of the wishes of the West at the time of Gorby, we now slurp full of sandals. THE WEST WILL NEVER BE OUR FRIEND! bully
          3. tomket
            tomket 27 November 2014 18: 03
            0
            Quote: Velikorus
            To be objective, although he is a cattle western, but about the relationship of Sturmgever and Ak-47 with

            If visual similarity is an example of kinship for you, then your closest relative is a chimpanzee or gorilla. Moreover, we set the level of kinship at the level of a cousin. Read Mikoyan’s memoirs, and give facts to the studio, where he and Gurevich murmur over the distortion of Kurt Tank’s drawings. In addition, you forget the essential detail, for example, on the subject of the hermetic cabin Mikoyan began work during the war. And the progenitor of the MiG-15 is directly the MiG-9, so do not invent an alternative story ....
          4. tomket
            tomket 27 November 2014 18: 14
            +1
            .
            Quote: tomket
            To calm your worried vanity, I’ll say that the MiG’s main rival, the American F-86, was created on the basis of the same Ta 183 and even more so.

            Another fantasies ??? 7 "Saber" f-86, grew out of the "Fury", the layout of which was approved in May '45. Moreover, he has no visual resemblance to Fokker, but he has a very strong resemblance to the "descendant" "Saber". Actually, thanks to people like you, there are rumors that our engineers and designers can only boldly copy ...
            1. Velikoruss
              Velikoruss 27 November 2014 20: 09
              0
              Excessive pathos, in my opinion. In no way downplay the merits and achievements of domestic designers and scientists. But I don’t like haters too. The fact that due to objective reasons in the USSR in wartime there was a noticeable lag in many areas. Elementary resources were not enough, everything was aimed at fighting the enemy. The Germans had at their disposal the resources of half of Europe. A reactive topic arose at the cutting edge of military doctrines and the rich west had the opportunity to research in this direction. The fact that the achievements of German designers set the vector for the development of military developments on a global scale for many decades is a fact. Germany was imprisoned for a war of conquest, so they did not spare money. And the USSR was building a new society, funds went to DneproGES, Magnitogorsk, Transib and Turksib, and other construction projects. So the lag in some areas is understandable. Now for TA-183. I am not an aviation historian, although I am keenly interested in it. To admit the version about the influence of Voronenok (TA-183) on the design of the MiG-15 and Saber learned from near-aviation sources precisely as a version. And having seen the drawings, he considered it possible for its credibility. The fact that the Germans at the end of the war farthest than anyone else in the study of the properties of the swept wing is a fact. And the fact that our aerodynamics could take these results into service is considered normal. We were preparing for the next fight. Now with former allies. And there are no forbidden tricks in a fight. The Tu-4 is so generally an exact copy of a specific instance of the B-29, up to a random hole in the wing and a colorful coloring of the tunnel between the compartments. So it was necessary. And when experience and opportunities appeared, we ourselves became a source for borrowing.
              PS By the way, Saber looks very much like TA-183 to me, the MiG-15 has similarities only in the general layout of the airframe.
              1. tomket
                tomket 27 November 2014 21: 11
                +1
                Quote: Velikorus
                Saber looks very much like TA-183 to me

                Well, at the front, many pilots complained about the similarities between the FV-190 and La 5. And what, Lavochkin also copied the product of Kurt Tank? What does this hapiness have to do with it? The fact that our designers used the experience of the Germans, for example, in research on the aerodynamics of small-winged wings does not mean that the samples of German technology were blindly copied, as you report. I have already mentioned the Saber, the similarity with the Ta 183, there is only in the frontal air intake. Absolutely no resemblance.
                1. Velikoruss
                  Velikoruss 27 November 2014 22: 11
                  +1
                  When it was necessary, they were copied. Missiles Fau-1, Fau-2, engines, radio engineering, optics, anti-aircraft missile systems, stationary and portable, night-vision devices, i.e. what was needed in the coming war with the Allies, but we did not. And if there was an order, they were copied blindly.
                  Regarding the TA-183, the whole salt of this project is precisely in supersonic aerodynamics. Blindly copying this design in the USSR, even if desired, was impossible due to the lack of full technical documentation. By the outward resemblance of Saber I will not argue, this is a subjective opinion.
                  1. tomket
                    tomket 27 November 2014 23: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: Velikorus
                    then all the salt of this project is precisely in supersonic aerodynamics.

                    Yes, what kind of supersonic aerodynamics ???? What are you about????? they approached the problem of the sound barrier empirically, when the pilots began to note shaking at transonic speeds, then they thought about increasing the angle of the arrow shape. Do you want to say that in 44, ME-262 came close to the sound barrier ??? Once such a need arose 7 By the way, a simple fact speaks about the flaw of this project, having emigrated to Argentina, Kurt Tank built his own I.Ae.33 Pulqui jet plane, which turned out to be an order of magnitude worse than the MiG.
                    1. Velikoruss
                      Velikoruss 28 November 2014 09: 56
                      +1
                      Generally, a swept wing and, as its variety, a triangular wing, are attributes of mainly supersonic aircraft. As far as I understand, dangerous vibrations occur at speeds close to sound, but they make it difficult to achieve supersonic. To reach them, this threshold must be overcome. The American F104 Starfighter was orthoptera from birth, although it flew at speeds in Mach two, but often fell in transient modes. And about the problems with the German "Swallows" Me-262, unless absolutely far from aviation do not know, this is not news.
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    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 27 November 2014 11: 31
      +32
      We were talking about sausage and toilet paper, I remembered the guys anecdote.

      He sits in a Russian cafe and has an afternoon snack. On his table lies a sandwich with jam and granola. An American approaches him and, chewing gum, asks him:
      - But you, the whole Russian eat bread?
      Russian answers:
      - Of course! And what?
      The American, inflating a bubble of chewing gum, says:
      - But we are not! We Americans only eat crumbs, and we collect the crusts into containers, process them, make muesli from them and sell them to Russia!
      Russian is silent. The American, again blowing up a bubble from the chewing gum, asks: - Do you Russians eat sandwiches with jam?
      Russian answers:
      - Of course, eat!
      - But we are not! We in America eat only fresh fruits. We collect seeds, peel and all sorts of bits there into containers, process, make jam from them and sell to Russia! And happy again inflates the bubble.
      This, finally, pretty offended the Russian and he, in turn, asks:
      - What do you do with condoms after use?
      American:
      - Throw away, of course.
      Russian:
      - But we are not! We Russians collect them in containers, process them, make chewing gum from them and sell them to America. laughing
      1. crocodile25
        crocodile25 27 November 2014 11: 54
        +1
        Laughing out loud!!! laughing
      2. vezdehodov
        vezdehodov 27 November 2014 14: 10
        +7
        - What do you do with condoms after use?
        American:
        - Throw away, of course.
        Russian:
        - But we are not! We Russians collect them in containers, process them, make chewing gum from them and sell them to America.
  2. svetlomor
    svetlomor 27 November 2014 05: 49
    +1
    In principle, everything is true, although there is still much to add.
    1. Mahmut
      Mahmut 27 November 2014 06: 13
      +15
      If the article was written by a German expert, then instead of instant-15 he would have mentioned IL-2.
    2. Fedya
      Fedya 27 November 2014 06: 39
      +3
      Vodka! She impresses them too.
    3. AKM9
      AKM9 27 November 2014 14: 38
      +1
      Especially you can add the MiG-21, he exorbitantly impressed them at one time. And Soyuz-7, in terms of cost and effectiveness, still has no equal. There is much more to add.
  3. Pf, fqrfktw
    Pf, fqrfktw 27 November 2014 05: 50
    +5
    The author also forgot the Mosin rifle. Any war in Russian territory will become partisan, and partisans simply need a simple, easy to use, reliable weapon, in large numbers.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 27 November 2014 07: 38
      +7
      Quote: Pf, fqrfktw
      The author also forgot the Mosin rifle

      The Mosin rifle was adopted by the 1891 when the Soviet government was not in the projects either, so it is not formally a Soviet invention. An article about Soviet weapons.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 27 November 2014 10: 03
        +2
        Revolver
        The Mosin rifle was adopted by the 1891 when the Soviet government was not in the projects either, so it is not formally a Soviet invention. An article about Soviet weapons.

        Greetings! hi
        I would not write off the "three-line" from the accounts of the USSR
        The rifle of the 1891 model of the year was produced in three versions - infantry, Cossack and dragoon, as well as in the form of a carbine of the 1907 sample. In 1900-1901. during the suppression of the Chinese "boxers" uprising, the Mosin rifle went through its baptism of fire. During the Russo-Japanese and World War I minor flaws were corrected, and in 1922, only the dragoon version was left in service.

        The Mosin rifle was slightly modernized compared to most well-known rifles. After the changes made in 1930 to the dragoon version of the “three-ruler”, the model was called the “1891 / 30 sample” and was adopted by the Red Army.

        Later, on the basis of the Mosin rifle in 1927-1928. The first Soviet model of a sniper rifle was designed, which was successfully used during the Soviet-Finnish war 1939-1940. and in parts of the Limited contingent of Soviet troops in Afghanistan in 1979-1989. However, during the Great Patriotic War, the famous sniper Vasily Zaitsev also killed 32 Hitler from a regular Mosin rifle in a month of fighting in Stalingrad.

        The modernization of the Mosin rifle continues to this day. In the 90's, the Finns introduced a modernized version of the Mosin rifle - the SSG-96 sniper rifle. And in 2000, Mosin’s Russian followers modified the bullpup rifle, after which it was given the name “OC-48”. This model is now used in modern sniper units of the Russian army.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 27 November 2014 20: 13
      0
      Quote: Pf, fqrfktw
      The author also forgot the Mosin rifle.

      Well then, I forgot the cart too laughing laughing laughing
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 27 November 2014 05: 52
    +6
    Unfortunately, now the army and industry are moving away from the principles of simplicity and cheapness in favor of more expensive and complex weapons, profitable for production. Issues of its mass production are not yet addressed, the operation of poorly trained personnel, too. They will stand in the event of a real large-scale war. But it will be too late ...
    1. Genry
      Genry 27 November 2014 12: 43
      +3
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Unfortunately, now the army and industry are moving away from the principles of simplicity and cheapness in favor of more expensive and complex weapons, profitable for production

      Of course! You would like to make airplanes made of wood and fabric, and small arms were at the level of arquebus ...
      In short, repeat those who wanted to stay with spears and arrows.
      While there is peacetime, it is necessary to leisurely produce sophisticated weapons with enhanced characteristics, and only in the event of war should the mobilization production of the previous generation be developed.
      1. Shishiga
        Shishiga 27 November 2014 18: 45
        0
        hi support
        And in the event of a total mobilization, there is an AK for every taste and color. soldier
  5. avkeys
    avkeys 27 November 2014 05: 54
    +17
    Most importantly forgotten - Kuzkin’s mother
  6. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle 27 November 2014 05: 57
    +23
    It was written interestingly, but judging by the article: If it were not for the German automatic machine and the English developments, we would not have invented anything from a weapon. In short, they give an idea - without European developments / civilization / we would still walk in bast shoes.
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 27 November 2014 06: 19
      +16
      Which is basically wrong.
      The differences in automation Stg44 and AK47 are noticeable to specialists, just do not forget that the first machine was created back in the Russian Empire (Fedorov assault rifle), and the Germans did not hesitate to copy the automatic rifle (ABC-36, SVT-38/40) by making the G-41 / 43). The Yankees also did not hesitate to copy the machine directly during the Vietnam War by making their Mku (Before that, they used rifles and, in general, the concept was a rifle better and more accurate (just like the advice in the 41st)).

      The first double-circuit jet engine was developed before the war in Leningrad, but during the evacuation it could not be taken out and dug up. Excavated only in the 44th. Used if I'm not mistaken in the first dryers. In addition, even during the war, in the 42nd year work was underway on jet aircraft. This bail is a series of prototypes of BI.
      1. An60
        An60 27 November 2014 17: 15
        0
        BI aircraft with liquid propellant rocket engine (liquid-jet), but not turbojet. hi
  7. RusDV
    RusDV 27 November 2014 06: 01
    +23
    Cheap, simple, sometimes coarse, but always effective - Soviet weapons were made according to a different concept than Western. However, it was no less deadly, writes expert Michael Peck
    Russophobe you, Peck .... There was no other concept. It’s just that Soviet weapons were BETTER. And the reason for this is not cheapness, but RELIABILITY. China makes it even cheaper, so what? And this is generally a song:
    The T-34 had its drawbacks, but the Russians built 84 T-000 tanks, and the Germans made such a powerful impression.
    that is, if you believe this "expert" Pek, then the T-34 was "crushed in numbers", and the tank itself is mediocre ...? Gad, in short ...
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 27 November 2014 08: 44
      +1
      I believe that the article speaks quite correctly about our best weapons. Except, of course, nods, in the direction of Western samples, supposedly serving as an example.
      Quote: RusDV
      Rosto Soviet weapons were BETTER. And the reason for this is not cheapness, but RELIABILITY.

      And due to what was the best and most reliable weapon? It is due to simplicity and manufacturability, which is fundamental for military production and mass mobilization.
      Quote: RusDV
      The T-34 had its drawbacks, but the Russians built 84 T-000 tanks, and the Germans made such a powerful impression.
      that is, if you believe this "expert" Pek, the T-34 was "crushed in numbers", and the tank itself is mediocre ...

      But he does not say that the tank itself was mediocre, on the contrary puts it among the best. And he had shortcomings, especially in the models of the beginning of the war, as well as in HF. And here again, simplicity and manufacturability came to the forefront, which allowed us to organize mass production and finally create the t-23-85 masterpiece, where most of the shortcomings were eliminated.
      1. Metlik
        Metlik 27 November 2014 09: 57
        +4
        The Americans always show the T34 as a primitive tank, the only advantage of which is inclined armor.

        But they are silent why they used gasoline engines on their tanks, not diesels. The USA, "the icon of everything advanced", simply could not produce reliable diesel in the required quantity.
      2. Shishiga
        Shishiga 27 November 2014 18: 58
        +3
        hi
        And due to what was the best and most reliable weapon? It is due to simplicity and manufacturability, which is fundamental for military production and mass mobilization.


        Leonardo da Vinci wrote: bully
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    2. Andrey Ulyanovsky
      Andrey Ulyanovsky 27 November 2014 12: 54
      +2
      good RusDV
      Data on the years of production of T-34 (-76, -85, -O-flamethrower): 1940.-110ex .; 41g-2996; 42g. -12520; 43g-15696; 44-14648; 45-12551; 46-2707; Total - 61228 copies. M4 state - 48000 copies, M3-6200 copies, M24-4700 copies.
      About "crushed by numbers" it is just the Saxons and saxophones recognized.
      And according to the characteristics - the T-34 was modernized right up to 1970, when the pelvis of the "allies" made the hundredth turn in the form of needles.
  8. ImPerts
    ImPerts 27 November 2014 06: 11
    +10
    Didn't like the article. The author mixed honey with d[email protected]rim and smeared with a thick layer. Too sweet and bad aftertaste.
    And the facts are strange, specific conclusions.
  9. Nitarius
    Nitarius 27 November 2014 06: 11
    +1
    Foreign Press Again scares its fellow tribesmen that RUSSIA will come to them and kill them!
    I do not know a little bit in the history of OUR power that -WE ATTACK!
    for the last WAR - we still shouted at them!
  10. lwxx
    lwxx 27 November 2014 06: 17
    +5
    It is written as usual in the Western style - if the Russians create something ingenious, then look at the basics, they say Western ones. It would be better to look at yourself - this is exactly if the ingenious is either a former Russian (Soviet) developer or communized.
  11. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 27 November 2014 06: 29
    +2
    According to the author, weapons that impressed the West, made by savages barbarians, are clumsy, rude, not aesthetic, but for some reason very effective.
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 27 November 2014 11: 12
      +2
      With these weapons, so many significant victories were won.
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    3. Velikoruss
      Velikoruss 27 November 2014 21: 26
      +1
      And what to take from them? In the words of Zadornov, "Well, STUPID!"
      Briefly and capaciously.
  12. taseka
    taseka 27 November 2014 06: 34
    +4
    Let me remind you the words of the Minister of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR in 1980 - "The weapons of the Soviet Army are strong! And what our designers are wearing in their briefcases is generally incomprehensible to the mind !!!"
  13. andruha70
    andruha70 27 November 2014 06: 36
    +4
    Soviet weapons that still impress the West
    not impressive, but pisses. and the main weapon is not mentioned - Russian soldier soldier
    1. Yon_Silent
      Yon_Silent 27 November 2014 11: 02
      +3
      With the tongue removed))
  14. sv68
    sv68 27 November 2014 06: 48
    +2
    the author doesn’t know that the most secret and terrible weapon is the Russian or Soviet man himself, his brain and his soul — so far no one has been able to unravel the mysterious Russian soul and thereby understand how to quickly and safely destroy the world.
  15. demo_mag
    demo_mag 27 November 2014 07: 02
    +6
    Expert damn divorced - if they talk about communism - then for some reason they only remember that the bread was on the cards and vodka on the coupons, but for some reason they completely forget - but, in fact, why was this? Is it from the supply of the West that Russia and the USSR went through two furious wars? So, okay, it would just have passed - I still managed to restore the whole economy after two wars, and not only at home, but in another half of Europe (well, at least after the 2nd), and what did the West do in the person of the USA and England? Apart from gold, scientists, technologies were taken out and profited from wars. For some reason, such analysts forget that somehow it happened that after 2 wars, the US gold reserve rose sharply and reached 80% of the world total, which allowed us to print the dollar, and later live on loan from the whole world. As for weapons - it would be nice to remember who they brought rockets, helicopters, TV and so on. I agree - yes, the principle of work and physical principles were in the air, but theory is one thing, and practice is another thing. If they had taken, they put the tank on a pedestal for 50 years, and then they took it off, started it, and drove off.
    Hello to the expert.
  16. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 27 November 2014 07: 17
    0
    "The T-34 at that time was superior to any German tank in firepower and armor protection"
    If you take the beginning of the war - then yes, if the end is not true ...
    1. andruha70
      andruha70 27 November 2014 19: 27
      +1
      If you take the beginning of the war - then yes, if the end is not true ...
      why isn’t it? request if we take the t-34-85, then it was not particularly inferior to the fascist "menagerie"? and even about the IS and the ISU series of "St. John's wort" - I finally keep quiet - the nemchur - they were not even close there wink
  17. bear
    bear 27 November 2014 07: 21
    +1
    Russian weapons are the best, all Western rotten.
  18. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 27 November 2014 07: 42
    +2
    Communism became an economic catastrophe and an ideological impasse for the Soviet Union - after all, it could not provide citizens even with sausage and toilet paper.

    It was only in Russia that it was sorely lacking! Thanks to the policy of restrictions !!! Starting with the corrupt intriguer Khrushchev !!! In the Soviet republics all products were heaps and even more! Limited only everyone near the center. It was necessary to cause discontent of the population! With all the ensuing consequences.
    1. vezdehodov
      vezdehodov 27 November 2014 14: 41
      +1
      I was in the Caucasus, one local grandfather told me how many sausages came back for processing. In almost every district center there were 120 tons of oil refineries. The grains were heaped.
      Here the aunt from Kazakhstan sent sweets by a parcel, you are right in this.
  19. fomkin
    fomkin 27 November 2014 07: 43
    +3
    The article is rotten through and through and I agree with those who criticized it.
  20. Shurale
    Shurale 27 November 2014 08: 08
    +1
    Communism became an economic catastrophe and an ideological impasse for the Soviet Union - after all, it could not provide citizens even with sausage and toilet paper, but the USSR made excellent weapons.

    any adequate person will immediately understand that in this proposal a person has lied, the country cannot produce the best weapons in the world, and the cheap one also cannot cope with the food of its citizens when they finally stop lying ...
  21. skifd
    skifd 27 November 2014 08: 29
    +2
    S.ts.uka forgot to add a club and moonshine, with which they like to portray us. "Praised" by doing it. Slapstick. The effectiveness of these weapons systems has been proven in practice. He was just not "lucky" to feel them on himself.
  22. Just
    Just 27 November 2014 09: 06
    +2
    Despite the impressive characteristics of the T-34, Germany in 1941 almost captured the Soviet Union. This can be blamed on Soviet tactics, poor training of soldiers, but not a tank.


    According to the recollections of German officers left by them in their letters and diaries, even in June 1941, Soviet soldiers acted very competently. They competently maneuvered, sensibly set up their positions, correctly ambushed, competently, at the right time, retreated or went on the attack, skillfully dug in under enemy fire. They wrote that the German offensive stopped if the Russians managed to retreat into the forest. The Russians were instantly entrenched there and there was no way to overcome the positions of the Red Army. In such cases, aviation was stupidly called and waited for it to destroy the Russians. The Germans were very surprised by what they saw, as Goebbels told them about the savagery, ineptitude and poor armament of the Russian barbarians. The Nazis were particularly struck by the high morale and stamina of the Russian soldier. Already in July 1941, many Germans wrote home that they could not win this war.
    And the Nazi offensive was successful, to a greater extent, because the bulk of the troops were withdrawn from the border so as not to provoke Hitler and not give him reason to accuse the USSR of preparing for an attack on Germany.
  23. Skvor
    Skvor 27 November 2014 09: 21
    +9
    Communism became an economic catastrophe and an ideological impasse for the Soviet Union - after all, it could not provide citizens even with sausage and toilet paper, but the USSR made excellent weapons.
    This eccentric with the letter "M" forgot to mention free apartments, medicine, education, and confidence in the future. That when I left the apartment I left the key under the rug, and I knew that the whole entrance was the same, and nothing was missing. How is it bourgeois to notice the small bad and ignore the huge good.
    1. vezdehodov
      vezdehodov 27 November 2014 14: 46
      +1
      Or in the mailbox laughing
      Shoes, strollers, bicycles were left on the site.
  24. ava09
    ava09 27 November 2014 10: 15
    +3
    "Communism became an economic catastrophe and an ideological dead end for the Soviet Union - after all, it could not provide citizens with even sausage and toilet paper." This can be written either by a provocateur, or, excuse me ... An economic catastrophe can only be created by people, moreover, specific people, they also lead to a dead end. Such people need to be specified specifically, for example: Khrushchev ... and so on.
  25. Aeneas
    Aeneas 27 November 2014 10: 23
    0
    I would add Soviet air defense systems during the Vietnam War (S-75). They showed themselves well in Egypt.
    1. goose
      goose 27 November 2014 16: 04
      0
      I would say that the S-125. S-75 stellar moment was in Vietnam
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  26. Pacifist
    Pacifist 27 November 2014 10: 35
    +2
    Michael Peck's brain is a mixture of logic, insanity and complete ignorance of history and socio-culture. If not for the USSR and the Soviet bloc, the West would have no one to compete with. And by the way, changes in the social environment in the West began only under the pressure of the ideology of Socialism, since the comparison, from the social point of view, was clearly not in favor of the West. And a weapon ... you can make the right weapon only by understanding the concept of its use. And if in order to achieve an advantage over the enemy, in the 21st century, it will be necessary to scatter children's rakes on the battlefield from an inflatable airship produced by the Syktyvkar vtorchermet, then this must be done. How and whoever appreciates the technical excellence of this battlefield tool. Try to go on an attack on a field filled with children's rakes. You will immediately understand how much a pound is dashing. Our weapons school has always been distinguished by the effectiveness of the application concepts. And the weapon was her match. "Clever people" chasing Vanderwaffle limit parameters do not understand only one thing, the defining factor of any war is the military economy, and from this point of view, our weapons have always been closer to the ideal. No matter how cynical it may sound, but from the point of view of conducting effective combat operations, if 10 missile boats are required to destroy an aircraft carrier, of which 7 are guaranteed to die, then it is more profitable to build missile boats, and to block the field of opportunities to build them not 10, but 20. Then 5 will die and it will still be hundreds of orders of magnitude more effective in terms of achieving the goal. With regards to the AK, this weapon was not the most perfect, there were samples and more perfect, it was not the most convenient, it was much more comfortable. It was the most optimal from the point of view of price / simplicity / reliability / efficiency, which is why it became so in demand in all conflicts. And in many of them it became a decisive factor in gaining an advantage on the battlefield.
  27. Vasily Ivashov
    Vasily Ivashov 27 November 2014 10: 51
    +1
    I would like to add to this article: You will continue to run into Russia, we will return the Soviet Union and make a lot of cheap and effective weapons ...
  28. Dromac
    Dromac 27 November 2014 10: 51
    +1
    Everything is as usual. Russia can not be anything good, and if there is, then most likely it was stolen from the west ..... There are no words. Okay, life will judge ....
  29. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 27 November 2014 11: 09
    +2
    Communism became an economic catastrophe and an ideological impasse for the Soviet Union - because it could not provide citizens even with sausage and toilet paper - however, the USSR made excellent weapons

    Stupid, stupid mike peck. Well, what can he know about what they ate in the USSR? Yes, there were five varieties of sausages, not forty-five as they are now, but we ate real sausage, not chemistry. Wanted bright wrappers? Get it. And about toilet paper ... So there are the reasons why in 1945 partisan detachments did not appear in Germany, the effectiveness of which was perfectly proved in our country. The Germans made lists, what is needed for each detachment, painted everything down to the last detail, they know how. And when they moved into the woods, it turned out that they had not stocked up toilet paper. And that’s it. And all the partisans. And ours and without it how many fascists drove into the land? So there is nothing to blame for the USSR.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 27 November 2014 13: 57
      0
      No, talk nonsense about the "German partisans". The Germans even launched a "partisan movement" in their lands occupied by the allies. One "werewolf" is worth it. However, this movement was not as active as ours and took on an episodic character and quickly came to naught for the following reasons:
      1) the bases for the "partisans" themselves managed to create, but they were created in a hurry and, most importantly, they did not manage to create manpower reserves, just as the "partisan" movement itself had a limited time period due to the imminent end of the war.
      2) the complete absence of a unified command and control of the "partisans" as this movement itself was created under various departments - the SS, the Abwehr, the management of labor resources, the Wehrmacht, etc.
      3) reorientation of the "partisans" not so much to fight the occupants, but to hide various traces of Nazi activities, to export war criminals abroad, to preserve labor and material reserves to restore the country, to preserve the nation, etc.
      Well, and most importantly, the signed FULL and UNCONTENDED CAPITULATION, unequivocally stopped any military activity of the Germans against the allies, including the "partisan" war. So, no "missing toilet paper" (pipifax) played a role here, if necessary, the Germans are no worse than us, they knew how to endure hardships and deprivations of the wartime, lack of amenities, which is well reflected in their memoir literature.
  30. your1970
    your1970 27 November 2014 11: 49
    +2
    "If military equipment and weapons are the greatest legacy of the Soviet Union, then it says a lot about what Soviet communism had to offer."
    This phrase is the only thing the whole article was written for — once again kick the USSR and communism
  31. X Y Z
    X Y Z 27 November 2014 12: 14
    +2
    Rotten author! Recognizing the merits of our weapons through teeth, she emphasizes all the time that ideas were borrowed from Germans, British, etc. English engines were purchased quite legally and there was no need to bite their elbows because of their own stupidity. As yet Christie did not mention, talking about the T-34. No wonder!
  32. _my opinion
    _my opinion 27 November 2014 14: 42
    0
    ... we must pay tribute to Stalin, some weapons of the Great Patriotic War might not be in service with the Red Army. For example, Marshal Kulik was against the T-34 (he was more inclined towards light wheeled tracked tanks), but Stalin, with his remark, allowed Koshkin to continue to work with the future T-34 ...
  33. BlackJack
    BlackJack 27 November 2014 15: 01
    0
    The dog barks - the caravan goes on.
  34. Dreamwriter
    Dreamwriter 27 November 2014 15: 07
    +1
    A lot of stereotypical nonsense. Westerners are very accustomed to the black-and-white division into "the brightest forces of good", where everything is super-quality and individual, and "evil hordes of the dark lord", where everything is cheap, rude and overwhelmed with quantity - and they constantly try to pull this Hollywood stereotype onto reality. And they begin all sorts of absolutely idiotic statements about "we are all smart in the West, we focused on quality, and the councils decided to do everything in large quantities, rudely, cheaply, and threw in numbers." Well, about all sorts of "AK-47 copied from a German machine gun", "MiG-15 stolen from the brightest British", "RPG-7 is not effective at all, but for some reason it became an icon" I'm not talking about. In general, another senseless, stereotypical and Hollywoodized slag.
  35. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 27 November 2014 15: 28
    0
    A purely American view of well-known things is the Soviet militaristic machine blah blah blah, and as his grandfather in the 60s-70s, not a word was afraid of her.
  36. _my opinion
    _my opinion 27 November 2014 17: 16
    0
    “If military equipment and weapons are the greatest legacy of the Soviet Union, then it says a lot about what Soviet communism could offer. Be that as it may, Soviet weapons have rightfully earned a worthy place in history, "

    in the first sentence - a scoop of poison, in the second, a spoon of honey disguising it.
  37. tomket
    tomket 27 November 2014 18: 27
    0
    Yesterday I watched the demonstration shootings of the AK 47 and AR-15. I was struck by two things. The first, smearing both samples with mud, and pouring water into the barrel fired. Kalashnikov shot as if nothing had happened, AR-15 jammed after three shots. However, before that, the accuracy with which the AR-15 shot was struck, compared with the AK-47. What would I prefer, accuracy, or reliability? I do not know. The life of a soldier depends on both parameters.
  38. Sir1966
    Sir1966 27 November 2014 19: 36
    +1
    Quote: tomket
    Yesterday I watched the demonstration shootings of the AK 47 and AR-15. I was struck by two things. The first, smearing both samples with mud, and pouring water into the barrel fired. Kalashnikov shot as if nothing had happened, AR-15 jammed after three shots. However, before that, the accuracy with which the AR-15 shot was struck, compared with the AK-47. What would I prefer, accuracy, or reliability? I do not know. The life of a soldier depends on both parameters.

    I won’t say anything about the AK-47, but the AKM ... During the service 84-86g. from his old, battered AKM (it’s scary to think how many thousand rounds of ammunition were shot from him) on a chest target with 150m. knocked out 89 out of 100 (from a prone position). And the best result of the unit was - 91 points. Moreover, Stepan Povroznik was shot so terribly by an oblique bender. I still remember him. )))) He really squinted in both eyes. In the second year of service, we were replaced by machines for new ones - also AKMs. Our platoon shot all 200-plus units for a week. Consistently high accuracy rates at 100-150m. And by the way, during the service he shot at least 1 time per week and only ONE !!! wedge in 2 years. And you say AR-15 ...
  39. pensioner
    pensioner 27 November 2014 22: 03
    +2
    Communism became an economic disaster and an ideological impasse for the Soviet Union
    belay
    Thanks avfftor. yes fool No more stop.
  40. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 29 November 2014 12: 54
    +1
    "The Soviet army liked to suppress the German defense with its help." The word smiled very much. This is the quintessence of what "Western partners" means by war. repeat