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Do I need to fly to Mars?

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Do I need to fly to Mars?


In the Russian scientific and technical community there are discussions about the role and place of the national astronautics, its future prospects. General opinion: the nation cannot abandon space research, cannot but claim a leading position in the world space program.
What is the Russian space industry today? In which direction should it be developed? What kind of breakthroughs can and should be made in the next two or three decades? We will discuss the topic with the Vice-President of the United Rocket and Space Corporation, general designer of manned programs (2007 - 2014) Vitaly Lopota.

Need a space exploration strategy

- Does Russia have a space exploration strategy? According to fragmentary reports about a particular launch (and not always successful), it seems that there is no strategy, but it all comes down to solving particular problems.

- We have the Law "On Space Activities". There is another document adopted in 2013, the “Fundamentals of the state policy of the Russian Federation in the field of space activities for the period up to 2030 and for the future”. But the strategy in these documents is not spelled out.

- What should it consist in, in your opinion?

- I think that the main strategic goals of the Russian cosmonautics should be national security, technological independence and the well-being of citizens. And the basic principles that should guide the implementation of space activities, in my opinion, are as follows: the protection of sovereign rights, opportunities and freedom of action in space; countering the implementation of space activities hostile to national interests; mutually beneficial cooperation with other states in the framework of the development and use of outer space; supporting the peaceful orientation of the space activities of other states; adherence to international legal mechanisms for resolving states' claims for sovereignty over areas of outer space, planets and other celestial bodies of the solar system; creation of manned space rocket complexes as a single interconnected system of rocket, space and ground segments.

- Can you also clearly articulate the main tasks of the national astronautics?

- I will try. It seems to me that one of these tasks is constant and unhindered access to space. To solve this problem, you need to create reliable, cheap and efficient vehicles, manned and unmanned. It is also necessary to create interorbital tugboats, special purpose space vehicles and ground-based space infrastructure.

Another important task is security from space and in space. To solve it, it is required to provide navigation, communications, monitoring of the Earth and outer space, counteract threats of a global scale from space (comet-asteroid and other hazards), protect space assets and ground infrastructure.

We will not be able to fly further than Mars in the coming decades. The moon, for example, is not yet available to us.

The tasks of the Russian cosmonautics also include: the advanced development of breakthrough technologies, which allow to receive priority in space activities; generation and accumulation of knowledge about the universe; education of engineering and intellectual potential of the nation; ensuring the prestige of the state; expanding the capabilities of the near-earth orbital manned space infrastructure (stations) for conducting scientific research, technical and technological development of rocket and space technologies, maintenance and repair of automatic space complexes, assembling large-sized structures for various purposes; long flights beyond low near-Earth orbits, including flights into the orbit of an artificial satellite of the Moon, to the libration points of the Earth-Moon system, to asteroids; landing on the surface of the moon and creating a planetary infrastructure for conducting research and generating new knowledge, as well as preparing for the exploration of the moon in the interests of human development in the long term; the creation of an interplanetary expeditionary complex and the implementation of a manned flight to Mars with a landing on the surface of the planet to ensure its research, etc.

- In the series of strategic goals of the Russian cosmonautics you named the well-being of citizens. Explain the connection here.

- It is the same as the connection between the weather forecast and the clothes you prefer to wear, knowing that today it will be cool and rainy or, on the contrary, hot and sunny. Or, say, you have a navigator installed in your car, you drive in an address, and this navigator takes you where you want, guided by satellite beacons that are in space. Issues of space navigation were worked out thirty years ago. We have repeatedly brought the grouping of satellites to more than 20 devices, but, unfortunately, the software and hardware that we use are made outside of Russia or on the components that we do together. Nevertheless, the orientation is coming from both American satellites and ours. As you can see, cosmonautics is a global area of ​​activity.

Ideas have no nationality

- Is the Russian space industry sufficiently provided with budget financing?

- In my opinion, yes. And the structure of the industry itself is built logically. There is the Federal Space Agency - the federal executive body responsible for the implementation of space activities for scientific and national economic purposes. And there is the United Rocket and Space Corporation. These two structures complement each other and act in concert.

- And the international cooperation of Russia in space - is the current geopolitical situation probably not very conducive to it?

- Nevertheless, this cooperation continues and, I am sure, will continue. Going to fly into space, we must take on Earth all the best for this flight. Ideas have no nationality.

- The purpose of astronautics has changed a lot over the past half century?

- Of course. Astronautics gave us the generation of fundamental knowledge. We began to understand more, we are already not throwing caps on anyone, we are not declaring utopian ideas. Mankind today has the energy that it has and with which we will not be able to fly away from Mars in the coming decades. The moon, for example, is not yet available to us. To reach the surface of the moon with a crew of three, you need a rocket with a carrying capacity of at least 130 - 150 tons into lower orbit. Unfortunately, there are no such carriers today. And those carriers that are, do not allow this. Today we are creating 20 tons of rockets in lower orbit, in the near future we will reach 25 tons, but in order to fly to the Moon, we need masses in near-earth orbit 75 tons. And in order to land and fly back, you need to at least double this load capacity.

- Double load capacity purely technical problem?

- Rather, scientific and technical. Because cosmonautics today is the generation of new knowledge, more detailed and deep, about outer space on the basis of scientific research. But it is also a solution to a multitude of applied tasks: global communications and telecommunications, observation and monitoring of the Earth’s surface and atmosphere, navigation, search and rescue in distress, etc.

Modern cosmonautics was born as a result of understanding the results of the first exploration of outer space, the possibilities that appeared and expanded in connection with the flights of artificial satellites of the Earth, automatic interplanetary probe stations, manned spacecraft and orbital near-earth stations carrying scientific and special target equipment on board. And today we need new knowledge about the world order of the Universe. This knowledge is also important for the safety and security of our civilization, for the use of space resources, as well as for the creation and development of the necessary technologies. Let's say, the main source of information about the vast spaces of the Universe is the spectrum of radiation, which we can fix by various physical and technical tools (sensors, complexes and instruments). Located on the surface of the Earth, they allow observations and measurements of the celestial sphere in a limited range of electromagnetic radiation: a wide range of radio waves, the optical range and the relatively narrow ultraviolet and infrared ranges adjacent to it. This does not allow for a comprehensive and objective investigation of all processes occurring in the Universe. When placing the corresponding physico-technical tools at altitudes greater than 160 km above the Earth, it becomes possible to observe and measure x-ray and gamma radiation. Gamma-radiation gives an idea of ​​thermonuclear processes in the Universe, and x-rays on gravitational and other cataclysms in the life of the macroworld. Observations in the range of ultraviolet radiation indicate plasma processes in space, optical - visual observation, perceived by man, infrared - about thermal processes in the surrounding space. The information that radio waves bring is the "voice of the universe." Space radio waves of humanity has been studying for over a hundred years in the search for answers to exciting questions, including one of the most important about the possible existence of other developed civilizations in the Universe.

A special place in modern cosmonautics is occupied by the use of manned means and systems. It is in the manned cosmonautics that the most reliable and safe space technologies have always been born and developed. These are manned and uninhabited constructions in outer space, technologies for providing human life in a closed, protected volume and in open space, as well as breakthrough technologies for research and the generation of new knowledge. For example, the placement of the X-ray telescope at the Mir station and the research carried out with its help radically changed the entire system and depth of knowledge about the structure and content of the Universe.

Prevent comet-asteroid danger

- What is the state of Russian space science now?

- Knowledge of space is deep enough. They allow us to act with confidence in the solar system. But beyond Mars, with the help of manned space flight, we, as I have already said, do not fly away yet. Human interplanetary stations (AMC) "Pioneer" and "Voyager" mankind has already reached heliopause. These devices still work, transmit information. With their help, there is a constant study, the accumulation of knowledge about the universe.

A very serious question is comet-asteroid danger. Remember the incident that took place near Chelyabinsk last year, when a celestial body of about 20 meters with a speed of 30 kilometers per second entered the Earth’s atmosphere and exploded at high altitude (this explosion exceeded the destructive force of the atomic bomb exploded in Hiroshima). The comet-asteroid danger constantly threatens the terrestrial civilization, and humanity must always be ready for its reflection. It is necessary to continuously monitor the motion of the most dangerous comets and asteroids to determine the probability of their collisions with our planet. The monitoring can be carried out using the satellite space monitoring system located at the Lagrange points L3, L4, L5 of the Earth-Moon system.

In addition, astronautics will be able to provide future solutions to such important tasks as the elimination of the energy shortage of mankind by creating space power stations, improving the ecology of the Earth and the environment by taking out particularly hazardous industries outside the atmosphere.

- Why cosmonautics today more in demand in near-Earth space than in deep space?

- This is explained by the fact that the technologies for the exit of humanity into deep space are only being developed and are not yet ready for wide use. We are on the verge of new breakthrough space technologies. With their acquisition, the number of tasks in deep space will increase significantly.

We must be prepared for the possible containment of someone's aggressive intentions.

- The cosmic achievements of the Soviet era today are finding some use?

- Yes, they are actively used. We have the best engine-building and reliable spacecraft in manned programs in the world. The whole world today uses Russian manned spacecraft. But we need to take the next step forward, because in the USA, Europe and Japan several companies are already creating manned ships. In five or ten years, there will be a powerful competition in this market.

- Russia's activity in space is not inferior to the activity of the United States. But most of our launches are made in the interests of other countries. These are commercial launches. The provision of space services.

- The fact that we provide space transportation services to the whole world is nothing bad. It should be borne in mind that, while flying, we are developing the components of space technology that we need to develop the technology of the future. And in this we have a certain priority today.

- New Russia does not have such capabilities as the Soviet empire had. Maybe we should temper ambition, accept the fact that we are no longer a space power, and "ground ourselves" in every sense of the word?

- We cannot abandon space science, which feeds advanced technologies, we cannot stop the exploration of extraterrestrial space, we cannot fail to claim worldwide respect and recognition. The desire to explore the Universe in itself, apart from any other reasons, orders humanity to explore the cosmos. Here we take into account the issues of national security. Today, for example, the deployment of the US missile defense system can completely deprive our country weapons deterrence. I mean the Russian nuclear potential with the means of delivery. Having global means of observation, delivery, counteraction, we must be ready for the possible containment of aggressive intentions, no matter who they come from.

ISS - a unique testing ground for the development of future space technologies

- How do you see the further development of manned space flight?

- Manned space flight is a unique opportunity to develop space technologies in the future. About 22 - 23 percent of the federal space program of Russia is being spent on it now. Of course, more serious costs are required, and I want to note that the manned program is not unprofitable. Roscosmos successfully sells four astronaut chairs on the market every year - about 80 million dollars each. At various administrative levels, there is always the question: what is the need for manned space flight? How is it why? Yes, she gave birth to the entire cosmonautics! Everything that is being done in space today was created and perfected largely due to manned cosmonautics.

Piloted astronautics is a unique opportunity to develop space technologies in the future.
Today, the main technical base for improving a wide range of space technologies in real conditions is the International Space Station (ISS). Its dimensions are impressive: the length of solar panels is about 126 meters, the station width is about 70 meters. The ISS is an easily accessible (compared to interplanetary space), reliable, safe, well-equipped space experimental stand, the potential of which is used to develop promising technologies. The tasks of the ISS transport and technical support in recent years, after the American shuttles were decommissioned, are carried out only by Russian ships of the Progress and Soyuz type, ensuring the possibility of an emergency return of the station crew to Earth in the event of emergency situations on board. Providing the ISS with crews and cargo flows, in each flight we develop technologies that will provide Russia with the necessary competitive advantages. Our American partners have already fully developed their station segment and are effectively exploiting it for research. The infrastructure of the Russian segment for a number of reasons can only be created by 2018 - 2020. From this period it will be possible to carry out a full-fledged national scientific program in the unique integrated national scientific laboratory on the ISS. Now Russia, the USA, Europe, Canada and Japan have agreed on the operation of the station up to 2020, and the possibility of operating the ISS up to 2024 is being discussed. The ISS is a unique orbital testing ground for future space technologies.

- What is the cosmonaut squad today? How many people are there? Are there many people willing to fly to space?

- There are about forty people in the cosmonaut corps. All of them passed the competitive selection. We support the number of astronauts, which corresponds to our technical capabilities. Of course, the technology that is being created now requires that research professionals begin to fly into space. And there is something to work on.

Overcome gravity

- From the point of view of priorities in space exploration, flight to Mars is the number one task?

- This is the maximum task that we can solve at the level of energy and technology that we have. This is a ship that must accelerate and fly away with the second cosmic velocity, overcoming the earth's gravity. And in order to overcome it and gain a foothold in orbit, we accelerate to the speed of 7,8 kilometers per second and remain in orbit. To fly from the orbit of the Earth to the Moon or somewhere further, we must add another 3,8 kilometers per second. Everything needs energy. And in order to return to Earth from the second cosmic velocity, the ship must protect people from intense heat when rubbed against the dense layers of the atmosphere. At the first cosmic velocity, the surface of the space descent vehicle is heated to 2,5 by thousands of degrees, and at the second, by more than 3 thousands of degrees. The surface of the returned spacecraft must withstand such a large heating and everything must be thought out here.


Sledy ancient river on Mars


If we talk about priorities in the flights to the near relative to the Earth, the celestial bodies of the Solar System, then preference should be given to Mars. Although deserves attention and the Moon as a testing ground for the development of deep space. Scientists and engineers of the leading rocket and space corporations of the world, having considered various options for possible space expansion of a person in the coming decades, agreed on its "roadmap." The Road Map provides for the implementation of one of two scenarios for the advancement of mankind into space: "Earth - asteroids - Moon - Mars" or "Earth - Moon - asteroids - Mars". This ideology is being worked out. The process of elaboration is also influenced by the statements of leaders of some states, for example, in the USA, the possibility of an initial flight to an asteroid is being studied. From the point of view of design and technological support of missions, a more promising and consistent way is to create a technique for Martian use. The moon here is considered primarily as an object of research, allowing to work out the technology of the planned exploration of Mars.

- How soon, in your opinion, can take place flight to Mars?

- It will take at least ten to fifteen years to approach the solution of this task, which should be inscribed in the scenario of the further evolutionary development of Russian cosmonautics.
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  1. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 27 November 2014 14: 40
    +11
    "I am treating all diseases ...."
    a voice from the audience: "Fly, fly, you can't fly away from everyone" ...
    First, put on the moon .....
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 27 November 2014 14: 49
      +13
      Near and far space awaits our researchers, a man would not be a man if he did not want to know what was beyond the horizon.
      1. Baikal
        Baikal 27 November 2014 15: 36
        +1
        Need to fly. But in my opinion - at first only for the sake of a flag. There is absolutely nothing to do there - a dead piece of stone, a pale shadow of what used to be a planet.
        By the way for dreamers - apple trees will not be there under any conditions wink Unless under the dome, but with such success, white filling can be grown on the moon.
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 27 November 2014 16: 08
          +5
          Quote: Baikal
          By the way for dreamers - apple trees will not be there under any conditions

          Dreamers have already come up with the project of terraforming Mars. So there is no limit to perfection smile
          1. Baikal
            Baikal 27 November 2014 16: 59
            0
            For that, they and dreamers, who, unlike people not alien to science, do not know that the terraforming of Mars is impossible in principle hi
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus 27 November 2014 23: 01
              -1
              Quote: Baikal
              For that, they and dreamers, who, unlike people not alien to science, do not know that the terraforming of Mars is impossible in principle

              Well, this is the eternal problem of a half-filled glass; I prefer to describe it so Mars is the most suitable planet for terraforming in the solar system.
              Absolutely unresolved there are two problems — magnetic field and gravity. It remains to understand how to solve them smile
          2. Natalia
            Natalia 27 November 2014 17: 44
            +1
            At first, it seems that someone was going to mine Helium-3 on the moon. Build stations there, work out a delivery mechanism to Earth, all things.
            Seven Fridays in a week.
            1. sub307
              sub307 27 November 2014 18: 39
              +1
              Quite right, it was this: “We are talking now about the thermonuclear energy of the future and a new ecological type of fuel that cannot be obtained on Earth. We are talking about the industrial exploration of the moon for the extraction of helium-3 "- a statement by Nikolai Sevastyanov, head of the Energia rocket and space corporation.
              1. sub307
                sub307 27 November 2014 18: 42
                +1
                In addition to the moon, helium-3 can be found in the dense atmospheres of giant planets, and, according to theoretical estimates, its reserves on Jupiter alone are 1020 tons, which would be enough for the Earth’s energy until the end of time.
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        2. i80186
          i80186 27 November 2014 17: 25
          +3
          Quote: Baikal
          Need to fly. But in my opinion - at first only for the sake of a flag. There is absolutely nothing to do there - a dead piece of stone, a pale shadow of what used to be a planet.
          By the way for dreamers - apple trees will not be there under any conditions wink Unless under the dome, but with such success, white filling can be grown on the moon.

          If it really were necessary, they would have been there for a long time. The fact is that nobody needs it. Apples on Mars and other trash, we have Antarctica not plowed, for example. In terms of prestige, if only. So, in fact, if Khrushchev didn’t send a public offer to the whole world with Gagarin, the Americans would not fly anywhere. And then he in every Papuan called them backward imperialists and showed Gagarin at the same time - they say they’ve just come from outer space. Well, they bit and bit.
          The meaning of all this? Ditch the already scarce resources? New technologies? Go to Antarctica and work it out, the same Mars, only there is water and air. Every time I hear about the "conquest of other planets", I see ROSPIL in all its glory.
      2. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 27 November 2014 16: 47
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        what's over the horizon

        Pavlovsky's Moonlight Rainbow Outside
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2014 15: 43
      +2
      First you need to master the Earth. Why not build a science station on the ocean floor? Mars and Earth are from the same matter. Fly to Mars to get to know the Earth and your loved ones better? Or is it not smart enough to send robots to other planets? Although "entertainment" for extreme lovers is not canceled, but what will it result in financially? Or are there no more pressing tasks?
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 27 November 2014 16: 03
        +2
        In, damn it, the Martian minus laughing Toda - hello to extraterrestrial intelligence! Fly to us at Kolyma laughing
        1. Samarin
          Samarin 28 November 2014 01: 54
          0
          no, better you are to us! laughing
    4. aleks 62
      aleks 62 27 November 2014 16: 44
      +6
      ... To reach the surface of the moon with a crew of three people, you need a rocket with a carrying capacity of at least 130 - 150 tons to the lower orbit. Unfortunately, there are no such carriers today. And those carriers that are, do not allow this.

      ....... Against the background of this statement, it is somehow very hard to believe. That the Americans in the late 60s REALLY visited the Moon .... It seems that there was an ordinary all-earth divorce of everyone and everything ....
    5. Denis fj
      Denis fj 27 November 2014 18: 06
      0
      The fact is that the world has already survived the space race. This is a history lesson, although we know that history itself does not always take history lessons into account. But still, it seems that the leader in astronautics is defined, a country is defined that can contribute the most amount of funds, the question is not the point. Therefore, regarding politics - of course, it does occur, but, of course, not the main thing.

      But the preservation of the world ... Indeed, one way or another, sooner or later, but the Earth will perish anyway; if you look at an even smaller time scale - it is always not immune from space disasters. Therefore, civilization that exists in the enclosed space of the Earth (and the solar system) is doomed to death. Therefore, the flight of man to Mars is, of course, a new era in the development of astronautics. A person should be able to freely and quickly be able to move not only within the Salt System, but also throughout the Galaxy as a whole. This is not a luxury, but a necessity.
    6. Login_Off
      Login_Off 28 November 2014 07: 17
      +1
      It is only my feeling that the question is asked, and the answer is taken from Wikipedia.
      He has a question, and he starts to look at the ceiling and talk about how the light shines, and why it shines, and we need a brighter / dimmer light, well, in general, we still need to work on this issue and we are now considering it recourse
      Nonsense is complete !!!!
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 27 November 2014 14: 42
    +14
    - How soon, in your opinion, can take place flight to Mars?

    - It will take at least ten to fifteen years to approach the solution of this task, which should be inscribed in the scenario of the further evolutionary development of Russian cosmonautics.

    - Oh, pichalko, I can’t live to see such an epoch-making event. And in my childhood I loved to read science fiction about how, while I was living, people flew to the stars sad Under the Union, perhaps it would have been so.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 27 November 2014 14: 49
      +4
      Quote: Stiletto
      - Oh, pichalko, I can’t live to see such an epoch-making event.

      On the contrary, there will be an incentive. Live to all Martians in spite smile
      1. FACKtoREAL
        FACKtoREAL 27 November 2014 14: 53
        +6
        On the contrary, there will be an incentive. Live to all Martians in spite

        belay For some reason, it seems to me that we are already Martians .... We survived! laughing
        and ... angry there, at us, already - SOMETHING! crying
  3. Federal
    Federal 27 November 2014 14: 42
    +12
    We will definitely fly to Mars.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 27 November 2014 16: 02
      +6
      Quote: Federal
      We will definitely fly to Mars.

      Alas, we will not fly, our great-grandchildren will fly at best.
      Surely, it’s certainly not possible to go to Mars with a full-fledged expedition, this is noted in the article.
      There is no rocket for this heavy class.
      Yes, and when they create and work out a completely safe flight - it is not known.
      So you need to think about a manned launch to the planets from Earth’s orbit.
      Again, for this it is necessary to solve new problems and to gain experience in creating prefabricated sections of a distant ship in space, in orbit of the Earth.
      Work out on the moon the creation of planetary long-term stations, with their own self-sufficient energy batteries.
      In short, a lot of things you can think and write about, but everything needs money, and a lot of money!
      "And we still have things to do at home!"
      So the flight to Mars can be worked out, but this is a very distant prospect.
      It remains to believe that Russia will regain its leading positions in space even without foreign partners and "... apples will grow on Mars!" from the suburbs!
  4. FACKtoREAL
    FACKtoREAL 27 November 2014 14: 42
    +7
    I don’t even know, the Moon is closer, and in Russia there is much money to invest WITHOUT MARS!
  5. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 27 November 2014 14: 47
    +14
    Mars cannot be compared with Skolkovo ... If this money is "used correctly", then you can not only fly, but also go around the world ..
  6. Odysseus
    Odysseus 27 November 2014 14: 48
    +5
    Of course, it is necessary to fly. That's just for us now it’s utopia. It’s realistic to try to cooperate with the PRC. We have ideas, production and a lot of money from them.
    Then we can become the first on Mars at the same time significantly moving forward science and technology.
  7. D-Master
    D-Master 27 November 2014 14: 48
    +5
    Mars is certainly wonderful .... But can Mars leave as a distant prize and focus on matters more mundane? In the end, bring GLONASS to working condition. Again, build only your own space station, and from the ISS from docking our modules (which will essentially kill it). It is possible to launch the station in about lunar orbit, as the first step to building a base on the moon, etc.
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 27 November 2014 14: 56
      +3
      You can fly to Mars if you have the technical and financial capabilities of the country.
    2. Penelope
      Penelope 27 November 2014 14: 56
      +1
      You can fly to Mars if you have the technical and financial capabilities of the country.
  8. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 27 November 2014 14: 55
    +10
    What Mars, help to raise agriculture, this is not a panic but a momentary reality - projectors ....
  9. Andrea
    Andrea 27 November 2014 14: 56
    +5
    The desire to know the unknown is indestructible, but desires must be real. Recently, the futuristic ideas of the colonization of Mars have been uploaded by the media. My opinion is to be consistent, restore what was lost, and develop what was acquired.
  10. GRAY
    GRAY 27 November 2014 14: 57
    +7
    . The moon, for example, is not yet available to us. To reach the surface of the moon with a crew of three people, a rocket with a carrying capacity of at least 130 - 150 tons into the lower orbit is needed. Unfortunately, there are no such carriers today. And those carriers that are, do not allow this. Today we are creating rockets with a carrying capacity of 20 tons in lower orbit, in the near future we will reach 25 tons, but to fly to the moon, 75 tons of mass in Earth orbit are required. And in order to still land and fly back, you need to at least double this carrying capacity.

    Things like docking and assembly in orbit to Vitalik seem to be unknown, and also the vice president.
    "Effective manager" in all its glory.
    On April 16, 2014, a criminal case was initiated against Vitaliy Lopota under Part 1 of Article 201 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (using his powers contrary to the legitimate interests of the organization).
    1. Baikal
      Baikal 27 November 2014 15: 50
      +4
      On April 16, 2014, a criminal case was initiated against Vitaliy Lopota under Part 1 of Article 201 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

      Overshoes. Here it is. However, we recall his words:
      ... in order to fly to the moon, 75 tons of mass are required in low Earth orbit. And in order to still land and fly back, you need to at least double this carrying capacity ...

      We have: such defective managers can and should be launched into space. For scientific purposes. But! It is not necessary to double the carrying capacity, because it is not necessary to return them either.
      Let them die there.
  11. Vitas
    Vitas 27 November 2014 14: 58
    +4
    Need to prepare. But, it will not be necessary soon. We would have to figure it out on Earth!
  12. nik6006
    nik6006 27 November 2014 14: 59
    +5
    It is necessary. And it is necessary to Mars and to the Moon.
    If we are not there, then there will be others. So it is necessary. But we must all consider, work, and not just trend about it.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2014 18: 03
      +1
      Go to the State Department. They are not only on Mars! Gm But also landed in Ukrainelaughing Definitely!
  13. Velesovich
    Velesovich 27 November 2014 15: 02
    +3
    Getting to Mars should be a priority. The implementation of such a task will allow reviving entire branches of science and industry and creating completely new ones. The country will make a technological breakthrough. Although, of course, to begin with, we need to throw out all kinds of "effective-creative" and other Medvedev-Chubais from leading positions. And this, in my opinion, will be much more difficult to do than to fly to Mars ...
  14. Neighbor
    Neighbor 27 November 2014 15: 06
    +7
    Quote: dimdimich71
    What Mars, help to raise agriculture, this is not a panic but a momentary reality - projectors ....

    Well, let the apple trees bloom normally in Russia first so that they don’t buy apples in Poland. And only then on Mars. How many earlier collective and personal gardens in Russia were ...
  15. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 27 November 2014 15: 15
    0
    On Earth, are the problems exhausted? Although, who knows if there is life on Mars. fool
  16. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 27 November 2014 15: 39
    +1
    A bit of humor.
  17. saag
    saag 27 November 2014 15: 43
    0
    Quote: Baikal
    There is absolutely nothing to do there

    Cinema to shoot, the movie will be amazing
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2014 18: 07
      0
      Quote: saag
      Quote: Baikal
      There is absolutely nothing to do there

      Cinema to shoot, the movie will be amazing

      We have already seen the "amazing movie" about the landing of amers on the moon. laughing So what? Be sure to fly somewhere?
  18. vsoltan
    vsoltan 27 November 2014 16: 07
    0
    First of all, to the moon. There deuterium and helium-3, alternative energy sources. I am not a physicist, but who understands - please correct, the question is interesting
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2014 18: 10
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      Yeah. The main thing here is that the spacesuits of the astronauts should be equipped with large pockets. Give the country more deuterium and tritium, damn it! laughing
  19. pts-m
    pts-m 27 November 2014 16: 09
    +1
    in the old days, everything new aroused mistrust ... whether it was a polar expedition or a flight of Kryakutny in a balloon filled with hot air ... but when all these premises benefited no matter in what field of science, those who opposed this were the first to be eager for awards shouting at hearing that without them nothing would have come out good. People are weak. and strong in spirit, let them relate a little to those with light irony.
  20. Vasily Ivashov
    Vasily Ivashov 27 November 2014 16: 11
    +2
    "The new Russia does not have the capabilities that the Soviet empire had. Maybe we should moderate our ambitions, come to terms with the fact that we are no longer a space power, and" grounded "in every sense of the word?"
    This question sounds extremely strange, especially against the background of the fact that Russia is the only power with a regular and reliable manned space program. The one who thought up this question was clearly creative (don't remember by night) hit on the head or on the head.
  21. Vityok
    Vityok 27 November 2014 16: 16
    +1
    Everything has its time! And Mars will bloom apple trees! hi
  22. saag
    saag 27 November 2014 16: 20
    +1
    a nuclear engine is needed, it is better of course on thermonuclear traction, but this is the future, I won’t say which one, maybe not so distant
  23. DimYang
    DimYang 27 November 2014 16: 29
    -1
    But it's worth flying to Mars. There is an opinion. that there are remnants of anthropogenic civilization. That is why Jewish pseudo-civilization is so eager to go there. They can possibly be used. On Earth, they can’t get the necessary technology on Mars (it broke off here, there are enough hiding places - it sees an eye, but it doesn’t have a tooth), judging by the photos from the Mars rovers, there are plenty of them. And information with artifacts will immediately kill the Bible project.
  24. Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 November 2014 17: 42
    +1
    So far, there is nothing to fly to Mars, there is no super-heavy rocket, there is no nuclear rocket engine either, but they could if the Energia-Volcan rocket was not destroyed at one time.
  25. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 27 November 2014 18: 23
    +1
    Quote: ziqzaq
    start to moon on the moon .....

    Hi!!! The late Academician Chetvertak was the last of those galaxies that were the locomotive and soul of the Manned Cosmonautics under the Queen was right. Under these many words there is no idea. There is no idea just a modernization of what we had then in another country. What we have. Union !! Oh, how old is he. Let's move on to a simple explanation of Lada, she is Lada, how many Pribabakh do not hang on her. A PROGRESS !!. A one-time truck carrying 2,5 tons of payload. And that has changed nothing. And the Yankees created a truck with a payload of 7 tons. And the main thing is reusable. And with us only the gadgets fastened and that’s all. What’s new is the modernization of it and that’s all. I don’t think Americans are fools, they can count money. So it’s cheaper and more profitable. There is no idea behind these thoughtful arguments. So is a set of phrases. And probably every schoolchild already knows the American telescope. Yes, and pictures just publish a class. And we only have tons of papers, as we are still ahead soon, the same Indians will begin to challenge this palm. They, unlike us, have a national idea and a program and they implement it with their achievements. And Europeans indulged in a comet with their apparatus. it’s not worth continuing. It’s just a statement that we failed a long time ago. Trying to reduce the cost of buying other people's components drove their own deep down. Who thought how many devices the Pacific had mastered. And they launched the most reliable missiles there. But these are questions for effective managers.
  26. Makarov
    Makarov 27 November 2014 18: 33
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    I have not read the article - the question in the name is idiotic (the author - no offense). I’ll say that there’s approximately 1/5000 chance that in the next 100 years an asteroid the size of the one that destroyed the dinosaurs will fall to Earth, but this is not the worst thing, but the fact that in the next 1000 years a binary star located only 8000 light years from the Earth will turn into a Black hole practically a fact, but not the black hole itself is terrible, but the gamma radiation that will arise during this process ... nothing will actually remain from the Earth ... is it necessary or not to try to colonize the planets today? What other strategies can be other than development towards the survival of mankind, if everything has been counted long ago? In general, there are much more interesting places in our system than Mars - Europe, Enceladus, partly Io ...
    1. Samarin
      Samarin 28 November 2014 02: 22
      +1
      Quote: Makarov
      the worst thing is that in the next 1000 years, a binary star located just 8000 light years from Earth will turn into a black hole

      Well, that means people have as much as 9000 years, right? and then who knows what will happen ...
      although ... what we are observing there has happened 8000 years ago already.

      And yet, the 8000 light bulb is far enough, have you heard about the law of inverse squares?
  27. region58
    region58 27 November 2014 18: 46
    +1
    Quote: "We will not be able to fly further than Mars in the coming decades. The moon, for example, is not yet available to us."
    What is it like??? Either the first two sentences that were pulled into the title from the text, or someone thinks that the Moon is farther than Mars (this is already sad) ...
  28. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 27 November 2014 19: 53
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    Why is the station commander always a US citizen on the ISS? Why can't you alternate every other time, as crew commanders? Isn't this situation humiliating for Roscosmos? A Soyuz arrives - the commander is Russian, and a member of the Amer crew suddenly becomes the commander of the entire ISS. With what fright? You need to make an amendment - every other time.
    1. Flankermen
      Flankermen 27 November 2014 21: 56
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      Why do you think so?
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%B4%D0%BE%
      D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D1%8D%D
      0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%A1
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%A1-2
  29. hyperion121
    hyperion121 27 November 2014 19: 54
    +2
    There was already a heavy rocket, Energia could bring 100 tons to LEO, and in the Vulkan modification it was 200 tons! That's what needs to be restored!
    http://www.buran.ru/htm/rocket.htm
    http://www.buran.ru/htm/vulkan.htm
  30. TOR2
    TOR2 27 November 2014 20: 40
    +1
    Quote: region58
    The moon, for example, is not yet available to us "How's that ???

    This is because this is a very slippery topic, because there are no answers to many questions. For example, when the mattress covers specifically banged an unnecessary module on the moon, the moon rang like a bell. And ours also recorded this. The ratio of the diameters of the Moon and the Earth is such that the Moon can ideally cover the disk of the Sun and many other factors indicate that this is an artificially created object. According to some reports, the mattress makers were poured from there in a polite manner, then when they did not understand the politeness rudely. They were forced to urgently curtail their entire program, although there was money. So the moon is not an option. It would be logical to build a lunar city instead of the Soyuz station.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0K7qClVc8oQ
  31. lilian
    lilian 27 November 2014 21: 01
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    There was an Energy rocket. Her drawings are not left?
    I’m asking you how incompetent, you can laugh, or maybe someone will enlighten.

    But you can still launch Proton into orbit of 20 tons and dock. Lower two vehicles to the moon and merge fuel into one for launch from a satellite.

    Forty years ago, Luna-16 lunched and returned, can it really be nothing now?
    Different options, there would be a desire to send a Russian to the moon. if this is possible with current technology.
  32. gdv
    gdv 27 November 2014 21: 43
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    implementation of one of two scenarios of human advancement into space: "Earth - asteroids - Moon - Mars" or "Earth - Moon - asteroids - Mars".

    strange alignment, Mars is the last on the list asteroids, in theory, the latter must be both logically and technically, though one more intermediate point is missing, the Lagrange point is a pity that Korolev would leave long ago we would get there but not the fact that we were hooked, maybe we would be wrapped like amers from the Moon Phobos the poor fellow never got !!! if it is more real then -Earth-point of Lagrange -Moon-Mars-asteroids.
  33. Artyom
    Artyom 27 November 2014 23: 16
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    illiterate article, some show off! Flights to Mars of living organisms in the near future are not possible, for one simple reason, outside the protective field of the earth, there is harsh solar radiation, from which the lining of modern ships will not save! This field operates within the lunar orbit.
  34. Samarin
    Samarin 28 November 2014 02: 17
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    It will take at least ten to fifteen years to come to a solution to this problem, which should be included in the scenario for the further evolutionary development of Russian cosmonautics.

    Will you enter 15 years? Well, good.
    In the meantime, you pour in, the Chinese will master the moon.
  35. dimhl
    dimhl 28 November 2014 08: 59
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    Sad.
    "Our American partners have already fully developed their segment of the station and are effectively operating it for research. The infrastructure of the Russian segment, for a number of reasons, can only be created by 2018 - 2020." ------------ it looks like we are only used for delivery.
    and after that, this phrase just killed me:
    "Now Russia, the USA, Europe, Canada and Japan have agreed to operate the station until 2020, and the possibility of operating the ISS until 2024 is being discussed."
    Amerokosa use the ISS to the fullest - and they will squeeze us out by the end of the station’s operation. Conclusion: the article does not disclose topics, however it reveals, but only the official one - officials
  36. dimhl
    dimhl 28 November 2014 09: 01
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    therefore, and: Why is the station commander on the ISS always a US citizen?