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On the ISS, together with the United States becomes too closely ...

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Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin chaired a meeting recently devoted to the issues of Russian manned cosmonautics. Against the background of the talk that before the implementation of the Moon exploration program, the Russian budget does not yet reach, a question of this nature was also discussed: what will Russia do after the completion of the ISS operation project? The completion of such a project is scheduled to take place in 2020 year. And the question about the further steps of Russia in this direction does not look idle.


The International Space Station is a project in which about a dozen states are participating, but the greatest contribution to the implementation and maintenance of this project today is made by Russia, since over the past ten years it’s Russian spacecraft Soyuz and Progress that have been delivered into orbit as cosmonauts and astronauts and loads. After the Americans stopped using the shuttles, it was on the Russian side that the burden of responsibility for servicing the International Space Station was laid on the Russian side. There are, however, still European and Japanese ATV and HTV transports, and also American Dragon и Cygnusbut so far the contribution of these devices to the ISS activity is lagging behind the contribution of Russia by a whole order. If from the beginning of 2000 Russia used (and provided) the Soyuz and Progress spacecraft for the ISS operation about 90 times, then the mentioned European, American and Japanese vehicles (taken together) made only a dozen flights, and about a quarter more training than workers.

On the ISS, together with the United States becomes too closely ...


In 2020, the existing station operation program will be completed, but the American side, which, in terms of using the ISS, today has actually become directly dependent on the Russian manned space flight, proposes to extend the program by at least 4 of the year. In other words, the United States proposes to leave everything as it was before 2024. They say that sanctions are on Earth, but here we must remain friends ...

The “friendliness” of such a proposal from the United States is understandable: by 2020, the United States may not reach the level of operation of its new spacecraft, which is required for the full functioning of the ISS or some American project of its own orbital, and therefore NASA, reinsuring, offers Russia to work as a cab driver some more time. Like, we will polish our manned space program, and then, when the Signals, Dragons and possibly other spacecraft are commissioned for all 100%, we will declare sanctions against Russia and in outer space ...

Understanding that Russia is being asked to remain in the “cage” of the ISS for an 4-year period and after the 2020 year, it’s not from a great love for the Russian space program, but due to the current dependence on Russia, Dmitry Rogozin said that interest in the ISS in its current version of the Russian Federation will only exercise until the year 2020.

Dmitry Rogozin:
We have a certain interest expressed by our American colleagues to extend the work of the ISS to 2024, but the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Foundation for Advanced Research (FPI) are now ready to offer new strategic issues related to the further development of Russian cosmonautics after 2020.


Dmitry Rogozin explained that the FCA for the period after 2020 has its own plans for the implementation of manned space programs. The deputy chairman of the Russian government made it clear that cooperation with the American side in the ISS format is no longer included in these plans, reminding the Americans of the structure of the ISS:
The Russian segment can exist independently of the American one, and the American segment cannot exist independently of the Russian one.


Rogozin stressed that, at first glance, the dependence is mutual in nature, but the US is interested today in cooperation with Russia on the ISS, which is much higher, as it is the Russian means of delivering the crew and cargo to the International Space Station.

Dmitry Rogozin:
We plan that we need the ISS before 2020.


Based on such statements by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, it can be concluded that Russia could very well implement its own individual orbital project by 2020. In this regard, the question arises: failure to extend cooperation on the ISS after 2020 - is this a political decision or is it not? It is hardly necessary to deny that recent political events have had an influence on this decision.

But Russia has other directions for space maneuver in terms of the implementation of orbital space projects - not only the complete individualization of the exploration of near-Earth space. One of the directions for such a maneuver is the possibility of cooperation with those states that not only display a more balanced policy towards Russia, but also have their own know-how in the rocket and space industry. As an option - China. The Chinese "Sky Palace 1" (also known as Tyangun-1) is an orbital project that is similar in its basic functionality to the Soviet orbital modules (for example, to Salyut). Of course, for a number of indicators, it does not reach the modern orbital station, but this only underlines the possibility of implementing a more effective joint project, if, of course, the Federal Space Agency has plans to actively integrate with anyone in terms of manned space flight ...

Whether Russia will integrate certain segments of its space programs with the Chinese side or will not be - this is a question, but the actual rejection of close cooperation with the United States after 2020 is a fact. Of course, until 20, a lot of water can leak (and will leak), but leaving itself as cab drivers, serving the development of individual American space projects based on its space transport, is somehow naive and strange. The only pity is that the American side can use such a statement of Rogozin to intensify his own work, for the deputy prime minister did too gentlemenly, denoting plans for the FKA on the ISS. But you could bluff, saying that they will certainly serve the “international interests” on the ISS after 2020, and then (at one point) declare that Russia completes the project - fly “Dragons” or jump to the ISS using trampolines (as Dmitry Rogozin tweeted recently). There is an opinion that if now, not the USA depended on Russia, but Russia on the USA, then our cosmonauts would have been “uncoupled” for a long time ... “friendly” ...
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  1. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 27 November 2014 06: 55 New
    +9
    His is always closer and dearer, but you should think about inviting close neighbors.
    1. Canep
      Canep 27 November 2014 08: 23 New
      37
      Undock nah .. American segment in place with its inhabitants.
      1. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 27 November 2014 09: 27 New
        0
        - In response to state aggression against Russia, I am not against the Stalin Strait, but the deliberate killing of American cosmonauts is low.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 27 November 2014 09: 35 New
          +9
          but the intentional killing of American astronauts is low.
          I agree. Therefore, upon reconfiguration, offer those who wish a one-way ticket - home. But if there are ideological ones, then let them guard the remaining modules until the arrival of their own ships.
        2. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 27 November 2014 11: 44 New
          15
          Quote: dmit-52
          I am not against the Stalin Strait
          1. michurinec
            michurinec 27 November 2014 15: 01 New
            -8
            Comrade Stalin, Starover does not mind. Act!
            But seriously, you can’t agitate such things. Give occasion to the Americans. Stupid populism.
        3. Sirocco
          Sirocco 27 November 2014 11: 54 New
          10
          Quote: dmit-52
          In response to state aggression against Russia
          There is a good fairy tale on this subject.
          Once there was a snake.

          And she decided to cross the river that flowed through her forest.

          But since the snake did not know how to swim, it was too difficult for her.

          Suddenly, she saw a turtle basking in the sun on the shore.

          The snake crawled up to the Turtle and said:

          “Turtle, cross me to the other side.”

          “No,” the tortoise answered, crawling into the water. “You will sting me.”

          “No, I will not sting.” Just cross me to the other side.

          The turtle believed the Snake and agreed.

          The snake curled up on the back of the Turtle and waited for it to cross the river.

          When the Snake was on the shore, she attacked the turtle and bit it.

          “But you promised you wouldn't sting me!” The Turtle cried out, dying.

          The snake replied:

          “You see, you are a tortoise, and you must swim in the river.” And I am the Snake, and I have to sting. Each of us has his own role in this world.
          The US was born to kill it’s like a wolf, which as many as you do not feed, he still looks into the forest. Any concession to Russia is regarded by the WEST as Russia's weakness, and as their victory. And so on to infinity, It's time to put in place this axis of evil.
      2. ddd1975
        ddd1975 28 November 2014 03: 44 New
        0
        do not frighten the "poor" American cosmonaut - we keep our word until 2020 ... unlike some.
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2014 16: 44 New
      0
      The project was originally "henpecked" at our own expense. All space traffic is Russian. No honor, no respect. Better to do two stations together with China. And let the West go in vegetable gardens laughing
      1. Fast
        Fast 27 November 2014 20: 52 New
        +2
        It’s better not to share space with anyone, you won’t get any thanks, secrets and money bye-bye! Allies of Russia - Army, Navy and Space! Oh, how come in handy!
  2. shimus
    shimus 27 November 2014 07: 09 New
    29
    Station MIR-2, cheers comrades!
    1. Canep
      Canep 27 November 2014 08: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: shimus
      cheers comrades!

      Rarely do I plus protesters on the forum, but this is the case.
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  4. lwxx
    lwxx 27 November 2014 07: 24 New
    +5
    Here the other day, Ayfonchik shouted about airplanes - until we catch up to 2025 and surpass the Boeing, now Rogozin is about space. Either we are rubbed on our ears or there really is still gunpowder in the powder flasks. I would like the second.
    1. Vladimir 23rus
      Vladimir 23rus 29 November 2014 10: 50 New
      0
      I don’t categorically believe iPhone !!!
  5. Junior, I
    Junior, I 27 November 2014 07: 25 New
    +1
    It's time to separate the flies from the cutlets!
    We do not need parasites.
    Let them separate their segment from our station and jump away in large leaps.
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  7. Signaller
    Signaller 27 November 2014 07: 26 New
    +4
    Yes, it's time to end the United States on this issue. It is necessary to separate from the station what is not ours and with the help of the booster block send it to the moon. Then cosmonauts should be sent there later. Let them study the moon. It may come in handy as a base for all kinds of lunar manned projects. Act NOW AS ON THE EARTH. First we install a hozblok, and then we build a house. So let it perform this function. And instead, launch a new station.
  8. Petrovi42202
    Petrovi42202 27 November 2014 07: 27 New
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    Our cosmonautics would develop at the pace of the Soviet Union, if we could build a space prison long ago. laughing And they would have sent all the mattresses there. And now they would not listen to their stupid statements. And there would have been order - no one would have gotten into talking - would have been sent there right away. am
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 November 2014 07: 28 New
    +3
    Based on such statements by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, it can be concluded that Russia may well realize its individual orbital project by the 2020 year. In this connection, the question arises: refusal to extend cooperation on the ISS after the 2020 of the year is a political decision or not?


    As long as the meridoship depends on us for the delivery of cargo to the ISS, it licks our program. As soon as they rest, we will become unnecessary to them. So in the bud and finish them so that they are not ahead of us. On the trampoline, gentlemen, on the trampoline!
    1. wolf7
      wolf7 27 November 2014 13: 47 New
      0
      And do not forget the hole in it laughing
  10. Kazanok
    Kazanok 27 November 2014 07: 44 New
    +4
    I’ll repeat it again .. China is not our friend .. and this is put it mildly ...
    1. core
      core 27 November 2014 08: 10 New
      +8
      Quote: Kazanok
      I’ll repeat it again .. China is not our friend .. and this is put it mildly ...
      and when did he become our enemy? China did not attack us, we gnawed off territories from the Chinese, fought with them, but they did not go to war with us. in a nutshell, China is not an enemy, but a competitor, but that’s normal.
      ps. children must be given birth, then China will not scare.
    2. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 27 November 2014 09: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Kazanok
      China is not our friend
      - This is understandable, but so far it is in second place after NATO! We must use this! hi
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 November 2014 09: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Kazanok
      I’ll repeat it again .. China is not our friend .. and this is put it mildly ...

      As the others. there are no friends at all, there is mutually beneficial cooperation.
  11. saag
    saag 27 November 2014 07: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Kazanok
    China is not a friend to us .. and this is put it mildly ...

    Well yes, China is evil :-)
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 27 November 2014 17: 46 New
      0
      Quote: saag
      Well yes, China is evil :-)

      China is neither good nor evil.
      You just need to use China to your advantage, and not turn Russia into a raw materials appendage of the Middle Kingdom.
      Alas, not in this life ... sad
  12. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 27 November 2014 08: 06 New
    +4
    And we sell a lot of titanium to America, as if there were no sanctions on their part.
    1. K-50
      K-50 27 November 2014 09: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Yoon Klob
      Yes, and we sell a lot of titanium to America,

      You need to sell if you buy it, because these are the salaries of workers, taxes for the local budget and the state, which again are salaries for state employees and social programs and the development of enterprises. But shopping is more balanced, if you have your own, then it's better to buy your own.
  13. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 27 November 2014 08: 14 New
    +1
    China, America, Armenia, the states have no friends! There are economic, political, and many other other interests that determine the external relations of the state! And this is only in the case of politicians sincerity, its course is decisive! Well, qualities like: honesty, humanity and decency are not in vogue now! Example, the same Ukraine with the current Herod!
  14. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 27 November 2014 08: 16 New
    +5
    For starters, for US cosmonauts to increase fares by 2 times so the dollar has risen in price oil is getting cheaper the costs have increased laughing
  15. zero12005
    zero12005 27 November 2014 08: 54 New
    +1
    "There is an opinion that if now on the ISS not the United States depended on Russia, but Russia on the United States, then our cosmonauts would have been" unhooked "long ago -" in a friendly way "..."
    Do not go to the fortuneteller ... And we are decent ... Here is France with "Mistrals" in the beard, and we give them a Christmas tree as a gift, yo.nuty. Let's kiss them all in the ass? And the whole top is chatting too much, neither mind nor imagination, our rush!
  16. Uriah Mushroom
    Uriah Mushroom 27 November 2014 08: 56 New
    +5
    Of course, if possible, you need to build your station. Not with the Chinese, not with the Americans, but only his own.
    Gunpowder needs to be kept dry and remember that we have only enemies and partners, no friends.
  17. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 27 November 2014 09: 14 New
    +4
    First you need to understand if you need a permanently inhabited station. For some reason, it seems to me that the station should be like a summer residence - I arrived, turned on the light, and do what you want. Another thing is to make a military-space base, or base for the next jerk to the moon or Mars. This must be assembled as a lego, creating production facilities there.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 27 November 2014 09: 38 New
      +4
      First you need to understand if you need a permanently inhabited station.
      Necessarily needed. Science should not stand still.
  18. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 27 November 2014 10: 20 New
    +2
    Well, fine ... Let's teach the Chinese to build orbital stations ...
  19. crambol
    crambol 27 November 2014 10: 41 New
    0
    On the ISS, together with the United States becomes too closely ...



    In general, as the ancient Anglo-Saxons used to say: "Dear guests, are you tired of the owners?"


  20. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 27 November 2014 11: 18 New
    +2
    Automatic orbital station USSR-2017

    The colored part of the picture by cosmonaut A. LEONOV and science-fiction artist A. SOKOLOV shows the orbital manned station "Salute - Union" flying over the illuminated side of the globe. The station observes how a hurricane arises over the ocean.

    In a black and white image, a toroidal long-term station of the future is given. These were the “ethereal settlements” of K. E. Tsiolkovsky. This is a whole research center with a large crew.
  21. room27
    room27 27 November 2014 11: 38 New
    0
    Americans and geyropeytsi pay for each delivery place, and who will refuse money in space? request
  22. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 November 2014 11: 42 New
    +4
    Like, it's sanctions on Earth, but here we must remain friends ...


    By the principle - we will crush you in all directions, and you, where it is profitable for us, help. Does it sound cynical?
  23. runway
    runway 27 November 2014 11: 48 New
    0
    "Dmitry Rogozin said that the Russian Federation will show interest in the ISS in its current version only until 2020."

    The most interesting thing is that the US, EU and Japan will show interest in the ISS in its current version only until 2016, when, according to NASA's plans, the Signos and Dragons will begin to deliver astronauts to the ISS.
    Instead of reasonable cooperation in this area, Rogozin proposes to build his own COP. Yes, not one, but two! Put the second into orbit of the moon!
    It is clear that we cannot. But something needs to annoy the "partners" if the trampoline does not work ....
    With a talker like Rogozin, we will jump high. I have no doubt.
    1. Wheel
      Wheel 27 November 2014 17: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: piston
      The most interesting thing is that the US, EU and Japan will show interest in the ISS in its current version only until 2016, when, according to NASA's plans, the Signos and Dragons will begin to deliver astronauts to the ISS.

      Something tells me that it’s written with a pitchfork on the water.
  24. padded jacket
    padded jacket 27 November 2014 12: 42 New
    0
    It is necessary to build your own orbital station, so as not to depend on anyone.
    Any dependence on other countries is "harmful", which we now see in the example of the sanctions imposed against Russia.
  25. Vitas
    Vitas 27 November 2014 12: 59 New
    +1
    Gentlemen, listen to a good lecture on astronautics, including manned. So far, robotization is needed. Launching a person is expensive and not why, and not where ... the technology has not yet been fully developed.
  26. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 27 November 2014 13: 09 New
    0
    In general, officials, state husbands should not even talk about any plans at all until there is 1,5-2 years left until the decision is made.
  27. Tribuns
    Tribuns 27 November 2014 13: 15 New
    0
    The United States always and everywhere acts egoistically, proceeding only from its own interests and without regard to the interests of other countries, if they cannot give them "back" ... And, America will have to give "back" to Russia in space in the form of its own space program .. . so as not to be in the role of a "poor relative", which the States can refuse at any time ...
  28. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 27 November 2014 13: 30 New
    +1
    I didn't understand the meaning of the article. If the Zarya module belonged to Russia, then of course we will undock and live independently. But Zarya was bought by NASA, completed with NASA money and belongs to NASA. It would be nice for the author of the article to refresh the memory of the ISS configuration.
  29. Evgeniy82
    Evgeniy82 27 November 2014 14: 02 New
    +1
    We’ll finalize the super-heavy launch vehicle, which is planned to be launched from Vostochny, and it will be possible to put ready-made modules or parts weighing up to about 100 tons into orbit. Several calls, and there they already collected in modules of such sizes that the Americans did not even dream of. Then there will already be a station, like a station and not this murderer ...
  30. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant 27 November 2014 15: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Canep
    Undock nah .. American segment in place with its inhabitants.


    But first, (when, for example, there will be 3 of our cosmonauts, some German and two Americans), it is necessary to hold a showy referendum in accordance with all the canons of Western democracy. So that there would be no later screams about the violation of the "rights to self-determination."
    After the completion of the vote, wash the victory, and ... the undocked segments of the Americans tumble smoothly in eternal space. Goodbye. "And on Mars there will be apples blooming-eee-ee ....".
  31. arslan23
    arslan23 27 November 2014 15: 14 New
    +2
    This year I also watched a program where several husbands from space exploration and Roskosmos said that many of the tasks that were set before the ISS had already been solved. In the ISS, the unique conditions of weightlessness necessary for some scientific experiments, but these conditions and experiments can be created in artificial satellites using robots and automation without the participation of people. The ISS has worked out its resource for a long time and is now working for wear and tear. Any accident could be her last. You need to understand that when it was created there was a different level of technology. Now the technology has stepped forward. It’s better to switch to solving other problems and not spend money on launching astronauts so that they would grow parsley on the ancient ISS. Once it was a breakthrough !!! Now 50 years have passed, we must move on to the moon. Mars is a lifeless planet and what to do there is not clear. And the moon due to proximity and weak gravity can be useful for us. Russia must wisely spend not only money but also the time of our scientists, it is priceless.
  32. Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 27 November 2014 15: 20 New
    +5
    Putin drowned the World, tied the Russian astronautics to an American vacuum cleaner. Which sucked out of Russia all the technologies associated with the orbital stations accumulated for decades by the Soviet cosmonautics. I am 100 percent sure that in general our current manned space program lives thanks to the ISS project. Otherwise, our 85 percent leader would have lowered everything manned and unmanned to the toilet long ago. Russia is allowed to spend its oil revenues only on olympiads, footballs and regular traffic rings around the Moscow megamure. While the Yeltsin clique will be spreading in the Kremlin, Russia will not see anything good.
    1. massad1
      massad1 27 November 2014 20: 38 New
      +1
      so, MIR drowned the EBN in 1997, there is no need to raise a wave here hi
    2. Erek0ze
      Erek0ze 27 November 2014 23: 38 New
      +1
      The ISS has been operating since 1998. And the contracts were concluded earlier. Russia at that moment had a huge public debt and practically collapsed production.
      Borrow from the IMF and let into the space program, do you hear yourself?
      And where does Putin?
  33. witch
    witch 27 November 2014 16: 18 New
    -1
    that’s why I don’t like all this, so that we are polite. you need to do it with them. enough already to talk with zapod and amers.
  34. 31rus
    31rus 27 November 2014 17: 13 New
    +3
    Today Rogozin said so, tomorrow there will be common points of contact, a new reboot, and so on, and Russia will continue to drag both the ISS and the disposal of radioactive waste, they will show money and everything will immediately become mutually beneficial and fruitful. It is hard to believe in the sincerity of our government’s aspirations for true independence
  35. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 27 November 2014 17: 19 New
    0
    But it will be so, as soon as the need for the station disappears, these will begin to spoil us there ....
  36. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 27 November 2014 17: 30 New
    +1
    Something our officials got to talking. Now Siluanov said something superfluous, then Ulyukaev, now Rogozin. P ... do not move the bags. There used to be such propaganda posters - "Chatterbox - a find for a spy". It's time to hang them on the walls in places of gatherings of officials!
  37. vvp2412
    vvp2412 27 November 2014 17: 46 New
    +2
    It is believed that if the United States didn’t depend on Russia, but Russia on the United States on the ISS, our cosmonauts would have been “unhooked” for a long time - “in a friendly way” ...


    This is not an opinion, this is a fact that confirms the situation with the Mistrals. Of course, it plays into our hands for the "Medvedev" ferries to remain in the Federal Station, but the essence does not change
  38. MAX2014
    MAX2014 27 November 2014 18: 38 New
    0
    it is necessary to undock the Amer segment from the Russian one, and let the Americans wake up without a glutton or vodka !!! Well, the Japs and other pro-American rot IzveNiTe. laughing drinks laughing
  39. tulaev
    tulaev 27 November 2014 19: 16 New
    +2
    "Against the background of talk that the Russian budget is not yet up to the implementation of the program for the development of the moon," maybe Rogozin should not be dishonored and Chinese ATVs should be promoted to our army? you look and then the budget will hold out! you can still leave 200 thousand officials all over the country, then it will also hold out ...
    Making another station is a dead end. The space industry is already degrading in our country, and if they can reform the economy in the country (without which there would be nothing further), then we definitely need to set a large-scale task, only it will allow industry to be brought to a new level. Moreover, based on what is happening in the world (i.e., the forced commercialization of near-Earth space in the manned segment), it will not only be difficult for the state to compete with commercial companies, but it will also be useless. It is necessary to develop where the state industry obviously gives a gain - previously unsolvable nakuko- and technologically-intensive tasks. Those. the creation of a near-Earth base, not a station, with the simultaneous development of interplanetary spacecraft for flights to the Moon and Mars. Such a task can make it possible to get ahead without catching up, can give impetus to the development of electronics that are resistant to the effects of TZZh and radiation, develop a range of new technologies for self-propelled guns, engines and materials. But there is simply no one to do it - people of the scale of Sergey Pavlovich cannot survive in the environment of our military industrial complex, effective sawmills survive from there.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 27 November 2014 20: 27 New
      +1
      You are right only setting ambitious programs and projects can return Russia to a leading position, communications satellites, navigation, experimental laboratories, geodesics, areas of activity there would be much desire
  40. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 27 November 2014 19: 35 New
    0
    The resource of the station is coming to an end. This is the end of the joint project. Our partners and I have a different approach to joint projects. Partners at any time can throw one answer to all our screams "This is business and nothing personal." There are plenty of examples.
  41. Aleks K
    Aleks K 27 November 2014 19: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Canep
    Undock nah .. American segment in place with its inhabitants.

    But what about the one monkey they will have there? Sorry for the monkey ((
  42. Prutkov
    Prutkov 27 November 2014 23: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: ICE
    Putin drowned the World, tied the Russian astronautics to an American vacuum cleaner. Which sucked out of Russia all the technologies associated with the orbital stations accumulated for decades by the Soviet cosmonautics. I am 100 percent sure that in general our current manned space program lives thanks to the ISS project. Otherwise, our 85 percent leader would have lowered everything manned and unmanned to the toilet long ago. Russia is allowed to spend its oil revenues only on olympiads, footballs and regular traffic rings around the Moscow megamure. While the Yeltsin clique will be spreading in the Kremlin, Russia will not see anything good.

    At our place, they think that Putin is to blame for everything. You are our Ukrainian ally.
  43. Erek0ze
    Erek0ze 27 November 2014 23: 34 New
    0
    Drive ov to the neck.