Why is there no good news from the creators of Boomerang?

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The appearance in the Russian army of combat vehicles of an average unified platform “Boomerang” should be a breakthrough in the field of creating domestic wheeled armored vehicles. But as is usually the case when creating something fundamentally new, at some stages of work certain difficulties may arise, for overcoming of which time is needed. This is stated in the article posted on the agency website. Messenger of Mordovia.

Why is there no good news from the creators of Boomerang?


“Before becoming a Boomerang,” the author writes, “the newest Russian armored personnel carrier underwent several reincarnations. Initially, the development was called "sleeve". In the new war machine then it was planned to make maximum use of the groundwork accumulated during the creation of the BTR-90 Rostok. ”

BTR "Sleeve"

Later, the "sleeve" turned into a "Boomerang." Experts believe that "thanks to the modular booking, which will significantly enhance the protection of the BTR, the weight of some modifications can reach 25 tons." Mandatory attribute of an armored personnel carrier will be enhanced mine protection. It is possible that he will become the first production armored vehicle equipped with an active protection complex (KAZ). It is assumed that KAZ will provide all-round protection for the car.

The heavily armed version of "Boomerang"

If we recall the reports that Russian promising KAZs will be able to shoot down high-speed armor-piercing-sifting shells, then in terms of the degree of security, the new BTR will be the leader among all wheeled armored vehicles.

"Boomerang" in the version of the BTR

High mobility of the machine will provide an engine with more than 500 hp.

The “Boomerang” in the BTR version will most likely be equipped with a unified combat module developed in the Instrument Design Bureau (Tula).

“This combat compartment differs from the usual ones in that it is uninhabited, and the 500 rounds of ammunition in the gunnery are placed in the compartment isolated from the crew and landing force. The 30-mm automatic gun 2А42 is used as the main weapon on it, ”the author writes. A PKT 7,62 mm machine gun with a 2 ammunition ammunition is paired with a gun.

The article notes that “the Kornet ATGM (4 units on two launchers) is deployed as guided weapons, the firing range from 8000 to 10000 m.”

For the first time, the car was demonstrated in closed mode in 2013 at the arms exhibition in Nizhny Tagil.

The engine is installed in the front of the case.

In the last year, the developers, apparently, began to experience some difficulties, as the media ceased to appear news about their successes. However, military experts, who have been tracking the development of wheeled vehicles for many years, see nothing strange in this. They had previously noted that "the creators of new cars will definitely face the lack of modern automatic transmissions, bullet-resistant wheels and other things, without which the latest technology will not be such." But this is only an assumption, no specific information about this from the developers have been reported.

“However, despite the usual for the creation of a new generation of machines of various" zigzags "," Boomerang ", according to experts, will definitely go into the army in the near future. It is quite possible that the new BTR will be openly presented at the new exhibition of ground weapons, which will be held next year in Nizhny Tagil, ”the author makes an optimistic forecast.
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  1. +33
    25 November 2014 17: 50
    how tired of the water

    give specifics or do not clog the ether

    I went in, I think now I will read the analytics, terms, photos. Yeah. There is an opinion and further water

    1. +6
      25 November 2014 18: 22
      Always the development of new designs does not go smoothly, it is a natural process, let them work on the creation of new technology, we will wait, it is not yet critical.
      1. 0
        25 November 2014 22: 20
        Perhaps financing was blocked by ties with the future appearance of the unified Armata platform during the year !!!
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    3. +4
      25 November 2014 18: 52
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      give specifics or do not clog the ether

      If specifics are not enough for you, then why are you clogging the air with your empty comments?
      Or do you want the RF Ministry of Defense to personally personally report on your plans in detail?
      Be patient.
      Sincerely. hi
    4. +2
      25 November 2014 19: 28
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      I went in, I think now I will read the analytics, terms, photos. Yeah. There is an opinion and further water

      Well, why, there is a photo ... of plastic models. what
    5. +1
      26 November 2014 00: 58
      According to the latest information, the "boomerang" will not hit on May 9. Problems of MTO layout and there is no final decision on the type of transmission. In the spring, the Ministry of Defense changed the TK again. In addition, Rogozin wants a full electric drive or a hybrid. Plus, the owners of factories are dogging for money, hence the problems with the choice of engine and gearbox. Because of what MTO turns out to be a meter longer and higher than necessary. Accordingly, the problem of size and weight. In short, there are three! options that differ in height up to 0,2 m and length 0.75 m! and 24 unapproved modifications according to the TOR, for 21t, 28t and 36t, with canopy kits. The lightest nifiga does not really float, because it turns out to be 2,3 t heavier. MO to force "businessmen" to do what he needs to be unable, there "everyone is close to the body ..... In general, when and what it will be - it is not known! Shoigu gave the command to show" Atom "in order to" shugan ". .... can it work ....
    6. TECHNOLOGY
      +1
      26 November 2014 01: 00
      Something in the design suggests that this infantry grave is indigestible. I don’t understand, just now. High hull? Obviously target. Open chassis? I don’t think it’s clever. Vertical "booking"? My hooves are dead. Maybe you shouldn't make the world laugh? other are already incapable? Clowns and without you nemeryannom.Malost more serious to your country otnoshenie.Constructors are fucking.
  2. +4
    25 November 2014 17: 50
    The idea is good, but as if this "BOOMERANG" did not fly back.
    "HOW YOU WILL CALL THE YACHT, SO IT WILL FLY!"
    1. +3
      25 November 2014 18: 51
      Why is there no good news from the creators of Boomerang?


      and what good news, maybe ... from these gentlemen ???
      infa from a neighboring branch: http: //topwar.ru/63269-poteryali-neprimirimost.html
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    2. +5
      25 November 2014 19: 02
      Nothing, "Bulava" was also done for a long time and there were also problems. And there were no screams, Lord. And now it flies as needed and gets to the right place. The time will come and "Boomerang".
    3. 0
      26 November 2014 11: 01
      Yes, the name is ambiguous ... Once on TV, the "Vendetta" tights were advertised. Vendetta, if anyone does not know, is revenge in Italian.
  3. +1
    25 November 2014 17: 51
    Handsome man !! drinks
  4. +4
    25 November 2014 17: 52
    the appearance is not ours
    1. 0
      25 November 2014 21: 06
      Drew SU "The appearance is not ours."

      Yes, the appearance is not ours (and not beautiful), although our traditional "facing" is held in high esteem and is actively used over the hill. It would be nice to read the principles used by the developers of the "boomerang" when composing. It's not a secret - "principles".
      1. 0
        25 November 2014 21: 46
        Quote: mervino2007
        It's not a secret - "principles".

        The Supreme designated them: "New Physical Principles". wink
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  5. +2
    25 November 2014 17: 55
    From just exhibitions, at least 5-6 pieces were received by the troops. Then it would be much clearer whether this is a successful option.
    1. +4
      25 November 2014 18: 26
      Quote: svelto
      at least 5-6 pieces entered the troops

      While there is no serial batch, one copy goes from exhibition to exhibition. Which can not be called a military unit. The layout is likely.
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  6. +1
    25 November 2014 18: 00
    And what is there to hear about the heavy assault armored personnel carrier based on Almaty? I do not like the menagerie in ground equipment, I would like all the armored vehicles to be created only on the basis of Almaty. Because it is profitable and highly secure.
    1. +1
      25 November 2014 21: 55
      "Armata" would be great, but where to get money ... Well, you don't go everywhere on trucks ...
    2. +2
      25 November 2014 23: 15
      Quote: Basarev
      And what is there to hear about the heavy assault armored personnel carrier based on Almaty? I do not like the menagerie in ground equipment, I would like all the armored vehicles to be created only on the basis of Almaty. Because it is profitable and highly secure.

      In any case, you can’t do all the equipment on the basis of a heavy tracked platform, in fact, in the near future all equipment will be made on the basis of 3 standardized platforms: heavy - Armata, and medium - tracked Kurganets, wheeled Boomerang, and since you see the unification to the maximum .
  7. Ivan 63
    +2
    25 November 2014 18: 01
    The appearance of a new armored personnel carrier is ripe given. The wheeled chassis has its advantages, however, as well as the disadvantages compared to the tracked transmission, each for its own battlefield, but it is necessary to develop and improve. Our Achilles' heel is a small number, and therefore the first place for the crew’s security is certainly not at the expense of combat qualities.
  8. +3
    25 November 2014 18: 02
    "... noted that" the creators of new cars will surely face the lack of modern automatic transmissions, bulletproof wheels and other things, without which the latest technology will no longer be such. "
    It was they, experts, who hurried. laughing
    Bulletproof wheels are not the top technology, and automatic transmission too. Automatic transmission has long been used on the BMP-3. In addition, the presence of such a transmission on the BTR causes more discussion about the need to install such a unit, including for economical reasons.
    Most likely, the matter is in the price of such a machine, as well as in the difficulties of developers and manufacturers that arise when trying to "squeeze" the characteristics of security and mobility required according to the technical specifications into the mass-dimensional restrictions.
    1. +1
      25 November 2014 18: 13
      Yes, the 30 mm cannon is already rather weak, they are increasing the booking of their armored combat vehicles, so sho you need to shove the "Berezhok" or the 45 mm cannon, an article was posted about their armored vehicles.
  9. Bor
    +1
    25 November 2014 18: 03
    Yes, an empty article, did not learn anything new ...
    1. +1
      25 November 2014 19: 29
      We hope to see a prototype soon.
  10. +3
    25 November 2014 18: 10
    He wasn’t him, but he saw some with an ordinary turret, such as a BMP-2 on the Rostov-Moscow highway, near Rostov, several pieces, with machine guns, 30 mm guns and a big crap 90-110mm, I don’t know the gun or PU. In appearance - pretty much shook the fields, more than one ammunition passed through the trunks. It’s a pity I didn’t really make out.
  11. +9
    25 November 2014 18: 11
    Rather do it right than wrong, the question is not to drive through Red Square. And in the fact that it could actually fight and be better than the BTR-80 / 82A. Let them be late, but they will bring them to their senses, the vehicles will not have to go to parades. And the example with "Bulava" shows that "Boomerang" will "finish" as well, as it seems, "Armata" is finished.

    It's a pity of course the BTR-90, it was not a revolutionary machine, but it could serve as a transitional step from the BTR-80 to the Boomerang, but we have what we have. And it must be admitted that the BTR-90 was still a fundamental development of the BTR-80 platform and it did not carry any special innovations. Well, in fact, the problem of the unsuccessful layout of the troop compartment as it was and remained.
    1. +2
      25 November 2014 18: 34
      Well, how much to write the creators of the BTR-90 themselves recognized a dead end, but the car is good, but yesterday it was needed, now there are other threats, other requirements, the only thing that worries not to be late as with 90
      1. wanderer_032
        +2
        25 November 2014 18: 46
        Quote: Saburo
        The car goes to the museum, although production could begin the next day.


        Here is the answer.
      2. 0
        26 November 2014 19: 07
        Quote: 31rus
        Yes, the car is good, but yesterday it was needed, now other threats, other requirements

        Quote: Novel 1977
        It's a pity of course the BTR-90, it was not a revolutionary machine

        And what do you think the revolutionary car, in particular the wheeled armored personnel carrier, means?
        What are now such requirements that previously were not?
        What is the revolution there? That is, a complete, or almost complete rejection of certain technical solutions and their replacement with revolutionary ones. And most importantly, it is also very useful and reliable.
        I think that of course it is not the layout that makes the revolution, although it is also important.
        Now, if I could with a mass of 15-17 tons to achieve an increase in bulletproof armor 2-4 times, it would be a revolution. Or, reduce specific fuel consumption to, say, 120 g * kW / h.
        Yes, to make sure that when a 10 kg mine is blown up, only the wheel comes off, and the crew and the landing party only get light shell shock ...
        And the price would allow to produce such a car massively.
        And now it’s not clear what the revolution is that they want from the new APC? request
  12. +4
    25 November 2014 18: 20
    For some reason, it seems to me that since the matter has stalled, then the requirements have changed, they have even tightened. As a result, the car should turn out even better in all respects and, for sure, will embody something else.
    1. +3
      25 November 2014 18: 43
      We went through this even in the USSR. The promising machine is already practically ready, but here once "the requirements from the military have changed." The car goes to the museum, although production could begin the next day.
      1. +4
        25 November 2014 21: 27
        Quote: Saburo
        The promising machine is already practically ready, but here once "the requirements from the military have changed."
        Yes, like the T-95, like the BTR-90, how they fooled their heads with the BMD-4M (thanks to Shamanov, he actually saved the car, and maybe the Airborne Forces), how they don't buy the finished BMP-3F, obsessing over the "over-the-horizon" landing mastodons under a pair of Mistrals. What kind of war are our generals preparing for? It seems that equipment is being created mainly to counter the militants, against the explosions of cars in military columns, against terrorists with light weapons who have settled in city buildings. As if we do not have a huge territory, many rivers and swamps ... Do we live in Israel, which has a dry climate and an area half the size of the Moscow region? Maybe the neo-colonial wars of the American military are an example for us, like their bulky equipment (but spacious, and even with a dry closet)? No threat of using weapons of mass destruction? If Russia has huge and tense borders, if we are threatened by NATO armies, we need to understand what we want to have for the defense of our Fatherland, and whether it is possible to create, indeed, full-fledged equipment, stuffing everything into one single "platform."
        1. 0
          25 November 2014 23: 19
          Quote: Per se.
          It seems that we do not have a vast territory, many rivers and swamps ... Do we live in Israel, which has a dry climate and an area half that of the Moscow region?

          Unfortunately, a dilemma arises here - either the survival of the crew, or the ability to overcome water barriers, etc.
  13. +1
    25 November 2014 18: 32
    We will wait and see, but I think everything will be right and on time. Although time is running out! A lot, quickly and efficiently, we have forgotten how to do "before rebuilt" is called.
  14. wanderer_032
    +1
    25 November 2014 18: 43
    Why is there no good news from the creators of Boomerang? (Quote)

    Why, why. And because it’s not a fig to imitate all MOVAGs. His needs to be developed, taking into account the needs and experience of operating machines of past generations.
    Apparently, it was realized at AMZ and they are working on it.
    Some will now have to sweat over the new APC.
    1. +2
      25 November 2014 18: 55
      Quote: wanderer_032
      . And because it’s not a fig to imitate all MOVAGs. Your need to develop

      what are you talking nonsense, dear ???
      not to imitate but to study the world experience, copy something and DO YOURSELF, ON YOUR TECHNOLOGICAL BASIS !!!
      1. +1
        25 November 2014 20: 45
        studying and again, studying !!!!

        hatless, there is no argument ...

        as an example: AFV - "Timoney 8x8 AIFVMP / ST Terrex AV81" - with mine protection ... developed in 2001 by "Timoney technology limited of ireland" for Singapore ...
      2. wanderer_032
        0
        27 November 2014 12: 19
        Quote: cosmos111
        what are you talking nonsense, dear ???
        not to imitate but to study the world experience, copy something and DO YOURSELF, ON YOUR TECHNOLOGICAL BASIS !!!


        All MOVAG equipment are parquet armored personnel carriers, in our road conditions named after khan. They will not be able to work in such difficult conditions. In addition, they are very high, an armored personnel carrier of the size of a Neoplan or Van Hoole, we don’t care.
        Our definitely need to develop their car, taking into account their own developments and their experience. Let me remind you that the armored personnel carriers of the 8-wheeled design developed and adopted by the first USSR.
  15. +1
    25 November 2014 19: 09
    Let's look at the result.
  16. 0
    25 November 2014 19: 11
    Well on horseradish on an armored personnel carrier sculpt heavy weapons? Is he going to the battlefield? The task of the armored personnel carrier is delivery to the place of battle, and not participation in the battle. Enough of KPVT + PKT for his eyes. From whom should the APCs be protected by ATGMs, PZKR and AGS? Here is the complex of armor needed - active, dynamic. But offensive weapons?
    Who and how developed technical tasks for the car? Who entered the APC into the armed forces system based on the concept of application and strategy? Again manufacturers are wise?
    And the loot of the people flies ...
    1. +1
      25 November 2014 20: 38
      BTR today is the core and the machine on which light and patrol forces go into battle. That is, the delivery of infantry to the forefront is no longer the main task.

      All modern armored personnel carriers in the world have protection against 30mm guns (but they have their own nuances for testing in different countries) in the frontal projection and a powerful complex of guided and unguided weapons. These are the realities.

      Today they usually make one universal platform on it sculpt:
      linear modification - with a tower and powerful weapons.
      conveyor - a large compartment (here also nurses / sappers / signalmen and others) and nominal armament of the level of a rifle-caliber machine gun on a turret.
      artillery / mortar - support vehicle, who is the howitzer, who is the mortar, who is screwing the gun.
      special options - various.
      some still make wheeled tanks like the Chinese / Italians - with a powerful tank gun.

      All this comes down to mobile connections and throws itself into gaps for cutting communications. By the way, in the 8.8.8 conflict, this is exactly what was applied with the reduction of well-trained troops into mobile wheeled groups and their entry into deep raids. There, the armored personnel carrier was both a transport and a hope for fire suppression of the enemy.
    2. +1
      25 November 2014 22: 03
      Well, what about the Mi-8, which was used as the Mi-24 ... Ours, as "there is a combat vehicle, go-fly-swim BUT complete the task." wassat
    3. +1
      26 November 2014 00: 46
      Quote: erased
      Well on horseradish on an armored personnel carrier sculpt heavy weapons? Is he going to the battlefield?

      Good night, Stehr.

      The unification program is simply accepted:
      - A line of cars on a heavy platform.
      - A ruler on a floating goose.
      - a line on wheels.

      Well, there will be a mobile brigade on wheels - why shouldn’t it have an armored personnel carrier, self-propelled guns, SPRAK and other necessary stray?
      And all this on the same base as the Boomerang, so that the zampotechs would not hang themselves.
      It is quite logical, because in our case BTR-80 can only be accompanied by NONS, and that’s all.

      Each equipment has its own theater.
  17. +1
    25 November 2014 19: 41
    what I wonder how much ("in numbers") in the cost of PAK-FA, "Armata" ... etc. adds the underdevelopment of the domestic industry ???
    1. 0
      25 November 2014 23: 21
      What do you mean by underdevelopment? If the industry is not developed, then it is simply not able to produce such products. And the cost will add more likely the lack of mass production, but this is more likely a claim not to industry, but to customers.
      1. +1
        26 November 2014 13: 07
        Quote: Albert1988
        What do you mean by underdevelopment?

        Elemental base of electronics, for example. More precisely, the incomplete localization of the production of one in Russia, including as a result of the lack of technology ...
        And you can add the dead machine tool building ... and much more, which is the content of this definition.
        Quote: Albert1988
        If the industry is not developed, then it is simply not able to produce such products

        She is not able to produce parts. But able to assemble from imported ...
        1. 0
          27 November 2014 15: 11
          As for the electronics - I agree here, the import will be more expensive, but only specific information, where and what imported parts are used, and most importantly how much cheaper would be domestic - alas, no ...
  18. +2
    25 November 2014 20: 29
    "Why is there no good news from the creators of Boomerang?"

    YES, because you don’t have to rumble ahead of time in language, such as having no analogues in the world and the like ...
    Do it from the beginning, and then boasted!
  19. +1
    25 November 2014 20: 56
    Lack of modern gearboxes - they would take a ZF or Alison freight automatic transmission and make a clone, but with the use of more durable and wear-resistant materials.
    1. +1
      25 November 2014 21: 29
      It’s not so easy to do it.
      High-strength materials are difficult to process, and if they are also of complex shape, they must be processed after quenching (so as not to lead).
      In addition, simply replacing the material is usually not enough. This all the same may not be enough for military equipment. And sometimes, it's easier to do from scratch than to finish existing ones.
      1. 0
        26 November 2014 10: 43
        At the CNC machining center, titanium is processed perfectly, these automatic transmissions have all the pistons including the friction packages, and the coupling bodies themselves are made of aluminum and sliding bearings too, we can do brass plain bearings and they can do titanium workpieces, the only thing we have they don’t know how to do this, friction disks for gear shifting packages, such disks are needed so that they do not burn and do not fall apart - with a lack of pressure on the package, the problems of failure of almost all boxes are associated with the destruction of friction disks forks in the torque converter. From scratch, to do automatic transmission is damn expensive and long, it’s better to take the already created, working and knowing all the shortcomings, to improve the unit.
  20. -1
    25 November 2014 20: 59
    And the BTR-80 is handsome compared to the Boomerang. The machine is a soldier, as the French call it. But Boomerang has a non-Russian appearance, therefore, it does not work out to do it quickly and efficiently.
    1. +1
      25 November 2014 22: 35
      Every new thing needs to be improved !! and most importantly intelligible TO + financing !!! WHAT exactly does our ARMY need ????
  21. 0
    25 November 2014 23: 02
    Why why ... Because first you need to develop an application concept. And they are trying to turn the old armored TRANSPORTER, according to the western analogue, into a light tank. Even infantry fighting vehicles were not used without interruption from tanks and infantry, and then an armored personnel carrier ...
  22. 0
    25 November 2014 23: 34
    We don’t hear good news just because all the allocated money was spent on cottages, cars and accounts in the decaying west, and new grandmas didn’t allocate good news ...
  23. TECHNOLOGY
    +2
    26 November 2014 01: 15
    Where does the design come from? Doesn’t it remind France? No? Have your brains either been sold, or drank, or politics. What kind of guy did you create?
  24. 0
    26 November 2014 02: 40
    I see that the "Bulletin of Mordovia" has become a "highlight" of news on armored vehicles .. How long can you copy and paste water here already?
  25. +1
    26 November 2014 05: 49
    dissatisfied, the BTR’s hull is no different from the old BTR-80 project, the high silhouette, the angles of inclination of the side armor plates are the same, even bigger, the wheel arches are not protected in any way, etc., we can talk for a long time about the flaw of the supposedly new BTR, the power of weapons he will not be saved, he will be a good target for anti-tank systems on the battlefield, he will live no more than 2 minutes from the start of the battle. Car tow truck for 300x no more ...
  26. TECHNOLOGY
    0
    26 November 2014 06: 20
    Forward, dawn towards.Elegant epaulettes, right? Learn the history of epaulets, gentlemen! This is the White Guard. I have the honor.
  27. +2
    26 November 2014 09: 46
    It seems like the project "Krymsk" with a hybrid power plant (diesel electric) passed the tests, so you no longer need an automatic transmission. It seems like there were also developments in the hydrostatic transmission on the BTR-90, which made it possible to make a tank turn
  28. +2
    26 November 2014 11: 38
    I will throw one more pebble about a boomer. Just another version. If Krymsk showed good results, it is quite possible that the boomer is now in a hurry remaking for a transmission from Krymsk.