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Maidan. Loss of landmarks

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In modern Nazi Ukraine, the problem of losing landmarks is increasingly evident.

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A year ago, everything was simple. "We want to be in the EU," wrote the Maydanovtsy (and one girl clarified why. She wants to go in lace panties. Each has their own dream. Let that be so). It then worked. Today, as inspired by Maidan Mustafa Nayem writes:

“The biggest problem is that although the Ukrainian people decided and voted with their lives that they wanted to Europe, the EU does not consider Ukraine to be the territory of its influence. He does not consider the territory to be protected physically, and not just words and sanctions.

Unfortunately, the success of Ukrainians in the struggle has been achieved not so much with the help of the EU, but at the expense of the lives of people who are now dying in eastern Ukraine. And in that sense, I'm really disappointed. ”


Neither take nor add. The revolutionaries threw the Donbass into corpses (with their own and those of others) in order to tear Ukraine away from the Russian world and bring it to a European bay, but it turned out that they are not expected there.

We went to the EU, and got to Somalia. Apparently dear wrong.

НАТО

At the end of February, after the Nazi government of Ukraine set a course for war and events in the Crimea broke out and a new slogan appeared in the South-East. "We want NATO. NATO will protect us."

NATO says a lot and encourages Ukraine to fight (preferably not with the Donbas, but with Russia), but really does not give anything for this. And it is no longer just annoying, it literally infuriates ordinary "Svidomo" citizens. Although if the citizens had skipped less and taught the chants, but had simply taken an interest in the essence of the question, they would have learned that:

The minimum program is the Individual Ukraine-NATO Partnership Plan. It must be said that the format is absolutely not new, because the Individual Plan for Ukraine operated from 2002 to 2010 for a year, while in 2010, Viktor Yanukovych, by his decree, did not eliminate the Interdepartmental Commission on Ukraine's preparation for NATO membership. An individual plan is the work of the NATO Information Center in Ukraine, joint military exercises, and the exchange of experience.

The maximum program is Ukraine’s accession to the NATO Membership Action Plan. The MAP as a procedure for joining NATO has been operating since the summit in Washington in April 1999. First, the candidate sends an application to join the MAP. Then NATO Headquarters develops an individual Membership Action Plan.

In the end, after the implementation of the MAP, the NATO leadership will give its assessment. A positive assessment gives the candidate the right to begin formal negotiations on joining the Alliance. But at the same time, the fulfillment of the MAP is still not considered by the NATO leadership as a guarantee for joining the North Atlantic alliance. For example, Macedonia participates in the MAP since the 1999 of the year, but has not yet been accepted into the Alliance.


The last such date in terms of joining the MAP was the NATO summit in Wales in early September 2014. President Petro Poroshenko even attended the summit, listened to many words about support, but did not achieve any concrete progress.

http://112.ua/statji/nerealnye-obeschaniya-pochemu-ukrainu-v-blizhayshem-buduschem-ne-primut-v-nato-150763.html

That is, in September 2014, NATO shrugged and said Poroshenko: “And who are you? And what do you want from us? We are not inviting you?” This is not even a slap in the face, it is a blow on the head with an ax across the entire post-coup ideology and Maidan’s hopes. They threw himself on himself with his problems. And what was the point of including a clause on joining NATO in a coalition agreement? I think, and NATO, too. Although Ukraine may create its own NATO and join it.

Wanting is not harmful (you even have the right), but who invites you?

Oligarchs

Ukraine without oligarchs. This slogan was a red line through the whole of Maidan. In fact, most of the Maydanovo party was able to gather not under the slogan of a European choice, but under the slogan of a new fair non-oligarchic Ukraine.

Already in March, with the appointment of “effective managers” of Kolomoisky and Taruta (not the oligarchs of course), the Maidan was slapped. But the guys are not offended. In impotent weakness, they nodded their heads and agreed that there was no other way. They say there are different oligarchs. There are among them “good ones” (I think Kolomoisky’s conversations with the pranker have dispelled this misconception). The apotheosis of the fight against oligarchs was the election of Mr. Poroshenko to the office of president (not the poorest member of the society of revolutionary revolutionaries). I am silent about his promises to sell my business, etc. If people want to be cheated they will be cheated. And the Maidan in May wanted to be deceived. Because he already understood that he did not bring anything good to the country, and they were not taught to take responsibility for the “onizhedeti”. Therefore, with relief, they dropped all responsibility, forgetting the principles on ... the same oligarchs. Albeit on others. As it seemed.

And to talk about lawlessness during the regime of Yanukovich in Ukraine has become no longer fashionable and even funny.

One nation


This is a relatively new, but already discarded slogan. He appeared as a counterbalance to the Southeast movement. While there was hope for an easy punitive walk and all that was needed from the overwhelming majority of the population was just to send 5 hrn. via SMS slogan lived. And it was supported by all. I remember the first rally in Sumy (March 1) was released several thousand citizens. At the end of May, there were several dozen of them (if we discard the activists, whom I had already learned to recognize before this point). Now only media leaders and regime leaders, and in the meantime regional and everyday “separatism,” remind of a united Ukraine, as a result of a sharply deteriorating situation, covers regions and society. Just as they do not want to hear about it, and those thousands of deserters who have left the ranks of the punitive army. And volunteers to die for this idea according to the volunteers themselves - the cat wept. And this cat is crying less and less.

The country becomes ONE not from slogans, but from actions. Moreover, these actions should connect people, and not vice versa.


A year has passed

A year has passed. The country is destroyed. The war is coming. Ahead of the default and disaster. But it is not this that confuses the masters who created it. Consciously or not they were willing to make sacrifices. Although ... they agreed not on their victims, but on the victims of the people. True "forgot" the people immediately say about it.

They are embarrassed by the fact that there are no landmarks on which it is necessary to dub the crowds they fool. Any songs “La-la-la-la-la” and the slogans “Glory to Ukraine” are not pronounced on an empty stomach, they are not sung. And the other in their "zagashnik" apparently no longer exists. Songs and slogans ("La la la la", etc.) is all that remains of the ideals of the Maidan.

There is nowhere to strive (they don’t take it), the management betrayed (it was really not immediately clear), the order of the rows was broken (the rhino and the giraffe go together only for drinking), meaning life no one sees further maidan (although miserable appeals to help periodically are heard, but they have already become accustomed to not paying attention to it).

HAVE ARRIVED.

And only a year has passed.
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  1. Name
    Name 26 November 2014 06: 23
    +14
    Ukraine. Outskirts. Ruin. We arrived ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 26 November 2014 07: 04
      +7
      Sometimes I talk with Ukrainians on Skype ... It's fun to talk to them ... Everyone knows that they don’t need evidence. But they like the reaction to the impasse. When you consider their actions and the results of these actions ...
      As soon as the dill understands that there is nothing to cover and everything that I say ukROSMI, the face is stony and-Glory to Ukraine! ... everything .. Skype turns off ... Zombies are bad ...
  2. Renat
    Renat 26 November 2014 06: 25
    +1
    What they fought for and ...
  3. pest
    pest 26 November 2014 06: 26
    +2
    What did you want? The herd went to slaughter, not understanding anything. It remains to thank their Sonderfuhrer and Sensei from America. Fenita la comedy.
    1. domokl
      domokl 26 November 2014 07: 09
      +3
      Quote: pest
      The herd went to slaughter

      With all my love of truth, I advise you not to slide down to the level of censor ... At the beginning of the Maidan, the goals were really interesting ... But the connection of the Nazi and anti-Russian orientation led to a break. We talked about the fate of Urina two years ago. When this started bacchanalia with relation to Russians and Russia.
      However, people, whatever people were always ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 26 November 2014 07: 25
        +6
        Ukraine has embarked on this path, the path of outright Russophobia not two years ago, but 23 years ago! And consciously walked along it, so the split of Ukraine, this is the same conscious choice of Ukrainians! Civil war is just a radical way to resolve the historical confrontation between Western and Eastern Ukraine, no more.
        1. Berkut-UA
          Berkut-UA 26 November 2014 09: 07
          +5
          Quote: Finches
          Ukraine has embarked on this path, the path of outright Russophobia not two years ago, but 23 years ago! And consciously walked along it, so the split of Ukraine, this is the same conscious choice of Ukrainians! Civil war is just a radical way to resolve the historical confrontation between Western and Eastern Ukraine, no more.


          This happened much earlier than 1991.

          Here is the cover of Pepper magazine for ... 1981
          Even then there were warnings .... but no one wanted to believe
          1. Finches
            Finches 26 November 2014 10: 08
            0
            I think you are right! hi
      2. Nick
        Nick 26 November 2014 17: 33
        0
        Quote: domokl
        However, people, whatever people were always ...

        And people are all different ... hi
    2. Darek
      Darek 26 November 2014 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: pest
      What did you want? The herd went to slaughter, not understanding anything. It remains to thank their Sonderfuhrer and Sensei from America. Fenita la comedy.

      What do you want?
      Well, judge for yourself, Ukraine is an amazing country!
      They have the ideological mastermind of Euromaidan - Mustafa (native, s..ka, Ukrainian), the Minister of Internal Affairs - Arsen Avakov (Ukrainian, s..ka, too), the whole elite consists of only Jews who are commanded by the same Jews, only from over the ocean.
      And, damn it, I remembered two somehow similar to the Ukrainians: Lyashko and Klitschko. Only one pid .. ras, and the second id.i.o.t.
      What result are we waiting for, sir gentlemen ???
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 26 November 2014 06: 27
    +13
    Maidan in the USA laughing
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 November 2014 06: 29
    +6
    Nowhere to Strive (do not take), the leadership betrayed (it really was not immediately clear)

    The main task is to create a long-term hotbed of tension on the borders with Russia, Ukraine has completed. For the West, it does not matter how and at what cost. Now dill is not needed by anyone. Democratic promises from the United States and the EU will be imitated, small handouts will be given and that’s all. Where they sought, they came there.
  6. sv68
    sv68 26 November 2014 06: 49
    +1
    Yes, just the slogan-ukroin without oligarchs is not fully voiced. wassat it originally sounded like ukroin without oligarchs, not ukroin because our oligarchs are everything wassat and, by the way, tame such a good state as Samali to compare with ukroina because the planes do not jump with moronic cries, they do not want to fight and honestly rob and rob the baskets and do not scam the world and spoil neighboring countries by insulting them and slandering them. am
  7. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 26 November 2014 06: 52
    +4
    Ukraine is inevitably waiting for another Main and Final Maidan, but not now, but later, now objective reality itself and without the participation of people creates these prerequisites ... Europe, too, will not sit by the principle-my hut from the edge, it will also have to slurp a lot unpleasant. Those who want stability in the future should think very quickly about being closer to Russia. This is not what I came up with — this is an objective inevitability and the turn to it is already in full swing.
    1. domokl
      domokl 26 November 2014 07: 15
      +3
      Quote: Tatar 174
      This is not what I came up with — this is an objective inevitability and the turn to it is already in full swing.

      Optimistic ... Only now the oil is already worth 74 American rubles per barrel ... Now we need to survive, and the rest will be a little later. The main thing is to survive for us, not to peep ...
      But, we are accustomed to living in ..., in short, to a difficult life .. But the gay people, it seems to me, will die out without toilet paper. And buying it is becoming more and more difficult. There is no money not only with us, but also with them. And the difference in the situation is that there will be a larger airbag ...
    2. RBLip
      RBLip 26 November 2014 14: 26
      0
      Quote: Tatar 174
      Ukraine is inevitably waiting for another Main and Final Maidan, but not now, but later, now the objective reality itself and without the participation of people creates these prerequisites.

      Kiev is a pity ....
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  9. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 26 November 2014 07: 17
    +1
    The country got lost in broad daylight, what to do and where to run, they don’t accept in the EU, they don’t take it in NATO, all bridges are burnt back to Russia, you give another maidan, and there’s also another country of maidans and the greatest idiocy.
  10. VadimSt
    VadimSt 26 November 2014 07: 26
    +4
    UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon thanked President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko for his attempts to peacefully resolve the situation in southeastern Ukraine, RIA Novosti reported with reference to the UN press service.
    If thanks for what Ukraine is doing today in the Donbass, they will probably blame it, only for concentration camps and lampshades made of human skin.
    And this is the UN Secretary General! And this bitch. she doesn’t want to try to live how people live in the Donbass, or to get to the bottom of the true guilty of the death of a Boeing, or to investigate the facts of war crimes of Ukraine? He needs it, as we UN.
  11. fedor13
    fedor13 26 November 2014 07: 42
    +5
    As Mayor Klitschko said, "the price of a metro ride will not change, the fare as it cost one token is worth it" :-)
  12. SamSeBse
    SamSeBse 26 November 2014 08: 16
    +3
    Maidan? In the Russian Federation? No, have not heard... laughing
  13. haustyn
    haustyn 26 November 2014 08: 26
    +3
    Even under the Union, Ukraine was divided into West and East (unofficially), just now the militant loafers are always in power - zapadentsy!
  14. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 26 November 2014 08: 33
    +2
    From the very beginning it was clear that nothing good would come of it. Sharia has a good vidosik about this, where he analyzes Yatsenyuk’s last year’s promises.
  15. Just
    Just 26 November 2014 08: 34
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: pest
    The herd went to slaughter

    With all my love of truth, I advise you not to slide down to the level of censor ... At the beginning of the Maidan, the goals were really interesting ... But the connection of the Nazi and anti-Russian orientation led to a break. We talked about the fate of Urina two years ago. When this started bacchanalia with relation to Russians and Russia.
    However, people, whatever people were always ...


    The beginning of the Maidan is a promotion, a tempting offer to play with crooks.
    The Maidan was originally conceived by the organizers for what Ukraine has today - a break with Russia, the collapse of the Ukrainian economy, poverty, and civil war. It’s just that Russia accelerated these processes with its actions and they took place not in a few years, but in a year. Well, since there was no time to prepare Ukraine for a war with Russia (like 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX), everything went head over heels and threatens the organizers themselves, that is, the West.
    Once again, the Ukrainians were originally planned to be used as cannon fodder in the economic and information wars with Russia. The task of ukriya was to create informational reasons for the demonization and subsequent isolation of Russia and no more. And ordinary Ukrainians, like a herd of sheep, and went to this massacre.
  16. anip
    anip 26 November 2014 08: 58
    -3
    Again Ukraine.
    Better look at your news:
    * VTB asked the government for 250 billion rubles. from SWF
    http://top.rbc.ru/economics/20/11/2014/546db4c8cbb20fdea54ed1cc
    And against this background:
    * The head of VTB led the rating of the most expensive top managers according to Forbes
    http://top.rbc.ru/economics/20/11/2014/546d7976cbb20f7261118a64

    * The outflow of capital from Russia in October 2014 accelerated to $ 28 billion
    (According to the ministry, the outflow of capital reached its maximum last month.) Http://tass.ru/ekonomika/1586960

    * Producers promised pasta price increases of 25%
    (Experts expect pasta to rise in price after buckwheat and rice, with growth of 20-25% due to a strong increase in wheat prices)
    http://www.interfax.ru/business/408294

    * Central Bank: international reserves of the Russian Federation from November 8 to 14 decreased by $ 0,8 billion
    http://tass.ru/ekonomika/1585969

    * Putin: Russia will double the volume of aid to Abkhazia http://tass.ru/politika/1593555
    ... in order to ensure the security of Abkhazia and to solve the main task - to improve the lives of people, "said the President of the Russian Federation.

    Well, yes, it is not necessary to improve the lives of people in Russia. Abkhazia is the main thing.
    And against this background:

    * The government of the Russian Federation expects an increase in the number of poor http://www.finmarket.ru/news/3872563
    * The average salary of federal officials from the beginning of the year grew by 18% http://www.interfax.ru/business/409243
    As you can see, life is still improving of people in the Russian Federation. Rejoice.
    ..
    And you shout "krymnash", "glory", see what is happening in Ukraine. Only then, how do you differ from those who rode on the Maidan? And how are you different from those who:
    Quote: Simpleton
    And ordinary Ukrainians, like a herd of sheep, and went to this massacre.
    1. sherman1506
      sherman1506 26 November 2014 10: 06
      +3
      What, forgot 90? Yes, I will tolerate, if only those times would not return. There is a war going on, and you want your well-being to grow, that means you even forgot how to think with your head, there is only one personal loot in your head.
      1. anip
        anip 27 November 2014 12: 20
        0
        Quote: sherman1506
        What, forgot the 90s? Yes, I will tolerate, if only those times would not return.

        What is it like??? Tolerate, not to endure as in the 90s ???
        Quote: sherman1506
        There is a war

        Where is the war ???
        Quote: sherman1506
        and you want your wealth to grow

        And you, no, excuse me, do you want yours, no, excuse me, your well-being has only diminished? Rejoice, will soon decrease.
        then you even forgot how to think your head

        Judging from the statements, this is "you even forgot how to think with your head." Well, yes, of course, you have "krymnash", "glory", so you think. But what is the difference from those that rode on the Maidan?
    2. P-38
      P-38 26 November 2014 12: 46
      +3
      Quote: anip
      Central Bank: international reserves of the Russian Federation from November 8 to 14 decreased by $ 0,8 billion

      So what? The amount for Russia is very, very small, not like for Ukraine. And we do not know the reason. And the author of the message for some reason does not call her. Why do you think so? Is this a reason for tantrums?
      Quote: anip
      Putin: Russia will double the volume of aid to Abkhazia h

      So what? I am not opposed to increasing assistance to Abkhazia.
      Quote: anip
      VTB asked the government for 250 billion rubles. from SWF

      So what? VTB asked, but did he really get this money?
      Quote: anip
      The outflow of capital from Russia in October 2014 accelerated to $ 28 billion

      So what? There has always been an outflow of capital from post-Soviet Russia, and this problem will not be solved so quickly, although it will certainly be solved with time. Is this a reason for the Moscow Maidan?
      And so on ...
      This will not make us go to the Manege, do not hope. Now, if Novorossia is merged, then we will leave. But it does not merge, do not expect.
      1. anip
        anip 27 November 2014 12: 26
        0
        Quote: P-38
        So what? There has always been an outflow of capital from post-Soviet Russia, and this problem will not be solved so quickly, although it will certainly be solved with time.

        23 years was not enough to solve this problem. Yeah ... Even 14 years was not enough ... And you console yourself with the illusions that this problem will be solved.

        Quote: P-38
        Is this a reason for the Moscow Maidan?

        Note, I'm not talking about some "Moscow Maidan".

        This will not make us go to the Manege, do not hope.

        In this country, I no longer hope for anything. Here, all the laws and power are on the side of the rich and the oligarchs (oligarchs that we do not have, as Pu said). By the way, I’m not forcing you to go to Manezhnaya, I didn’t even think about Manezhnaya (and I’m not going to), you yourself have such thoughts. So that.

        Now, if Novorossia is merged, then we will leave.

        Come on, the USSR was poured, no one came out.

        But it does not merge, do not expect.

        More likely no than yes, but the oligarchs will agree anyway. And it turns out that they will merge anyway, in one sense or another. However, wait and see.
      2. anip
        anip 27 November 2014 12: 36
        0
        Quote: P-38
        Is this a reason for tantrums?

        Do you think the facts are hysteria? Your association is strange.

        Quote: P-38
        So what? I am not opposed to increasing assistance to Abkhazia.

        Yes, nothing. But I am against. In Russia, the standard of living of the people must first be raised, and not in other countries. There will be a country big and rich, people will live well and rich in it, then other countries will reach Russia, then you can provide assistance.

        Quote: P-38
        So what? VTB asked, but did he really get this money?

        Yes, nothing. In 2008, too, no banks were given money? Or maybe they did it? And about VTB - wait and see. Something tells me that they will give him money, maybe less, but they will.
    3. Old old
      Old old 26 November 2014 23: 05
      0
      Bees are looking for honey, flies are for manure!
      Such quotes can be pulled about any country.
      1. anip
        anip 27 November 2014 12: 29
        0
        Quote: Nursing Old
        Such quotes can be pulled about any country.

        You don't like official data?
        And yes, quotes can be pulled, only I really see that in the Russian Federation the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, moreover, already officially they began to confirm the decline in real incomes of the population and the growth of poverty, otherwise everything since 1991 has lived only better and even better.

        Quote: Nursing Old
        Bees are looking for honey, flies are for manure!

        What would you do without flies? Drowned in shit?
  17. atamankko
    atamankko 26 November 2014 10: 30
    0
    The arrogant and cunning manage the illiterate - this is now Ukraine.
  18. Thompson
    Thompson 26 November 2014 12: 03
    0
    Quote: Finches
    In fact, most of the Maydan party was not managed under the slogan of the European choice, but under the slogan of a new fair, oligarchic Ukraine.

    So it was. But slogans are one thing, business is another. That’s what they’ve done.
  19. Thompson
    Thompson 26 November 2014 12: 06
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: Tatar 174
    This is not what I came up with — this is an objective inevitability and the turn to it is already in full swing.

    Optimistic ... Only now the oil is already worth 74 American rubles per barrel ... Now we need to survive, and the rest will be a little later. The main thing is to survive for us, not to peep ...
    But, we are accustomed to living in ..., in short, to a difficult life .. But the gay people, it seems to me, will die out without toilet paper. And buying it is becoming more and more difficult. There is no money not only with us, but also with them. And the difference in the situation is that there will be a larger airbag ...

    That's right. The United States decided to again use the method that was used to destroy the USSR - to collapse the price of oil. Then they succeeded.
    Can the current elite take into account the mistakes of the past? I want to believe that yes, but doubts torment me!
  20. IAlex
    IAlex 26 November 2014 14: 27
    0
    Maidan. Loss of landmarks


    The shepherd drove the rams to the right cost, and their opinion does not interest anyone ...
  21. postoronim V
    postoronim V 26 November 2014 15: 57
    0
    In the history of their country, their descendants will write this as "instructions for the collapse of the country", a year ago a relative from Dnepropetrovsk started a correspondence on social networks, and now I see that I was right then, only they deleted each other (and the blood and all the delights of the revolution, as in 1917 ), I was even ashamed of him and ignorance of the history of both the USSR and our then family history, and my words ask your mother this intellectual, what he called himself, said yes that I already know everything there. Rivers of blood are still ahead.
  22. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant 26 November 2014 16: 51
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: pest
    The herd went to slaughter

    With all my love of truth, I advise you not to slide down to the level of censor ... At the beginning of the Maidan, the goals were really interesting ... But the connection of the Nazi and anti-Russian orientation led to a break. We talked about the fate of Urina two years ago. When this started bacchanalia with relation to Russians and Russia.
    However, people, whatever people were always ...


    I agree that there is no need to slide down to the level of the "Censor". That's for sure. But about the people, or rather a part of the people, whose deeds we see and hear - when to burn people and shoot cities is considered a feat and heroism, and the relatives of these "heroes" are protesting not against the war, but only for improving the supply and conditions for the "heroes" ... Uh, no ... These are not people. These are NOT HUMANS.
  23. zero12005
    zero12005 26 November 2014 18: 13
    0
    Quote: Darek
    And, damn it, I remembered two somehow similar to the Ukrainians: Lyashko and Klitschko. Only one pid .. ras, and the second, idiom, etc. What result are we waiting for, sir, gentlemen ???

    The people are not silent: -Fly Klitschko, father and first-grader fly on a plane. Suddenly, something happened to the engine on the plane, and it began to fall. Do not board just two parachutes.
    Klitschko says: - I am the smartest person, I have to be saved, the people need me! He puts on a parachute and jumps to the people.
    Holy father first grader:
    “I am old, I have lived my life, and you still have to learn life, take a parachute and jump.”
    - We will jump together, two parachutes, the most intelligent man put on my briefcase !!! drinks
  24. zero12005
    zero12005 26 November 2014 18: 59
    0
    Quote: pest
    What did you want? The herd went to slaughter, not understanding anything. It remains to thank their Sonderfuhrer and Sensei from America. Fenita la comedy.

    / / / negative Only when a mosquito lays on your eggs, you understand that there is a way to solve the problem without using force ...