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Media: In Germany, a dispute flared up because of the attitude to Russia

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The number of politicians involved in the debate about how Germany should build relations with Russia is increasing, reports RIA News with reference to the German press.

Media: In Germany, a dispute flared up because of the attitude to Russia


Commenting on the recent statement by the Prime Minister of Bavaria, the head of the Christian Social Union (CSU), Horst Seehofer, the coordinator of German-Russian cooperation Gernot Erler accused him of negligence.

Earlier, Seehofer demanded that the leader of the Social Democrats (SPD), Sigmar Gabriel, provide information on how much his party members trust Merkel’s activities regarding the Russian Federation. The politician promised to bring this issue up for discussion on Tuesday, when the leaders of the two parties will meet.

According to Erler, the chairman of the CSU "with his remarks provoked international confusion for no real reason."

The demands of the Bavarian prime minister have been criticized by other politicians. For example, Nils Annen (SPD spokesperson) called his statement “too caustic”. And his fellow party member Rolf Mutzenich, in turn, advised Seehofer to pay attention to his party, many of whose representatives have ties with Russia.

German media reported earlier that "the positions of Chancellor Angela Merkel and Minister Steinmeier, a member of the SPD, are somewhat different from Russia in the light of the Ukrainian conflict." The Chancellor declared that the West should not be “too good-natured towards Russia,” and Steinmeier, on the contrary, called for restraint.

The CSU leader Seehofer accused Steinmeier of "conducting his own diplomacy at the same time as Merkel".
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  1. Sharky
    Sharky 25 November 2014 10: 30
    +16
    Tearing in the ruling elites indicates that not all politicians are willing to humbly dance to the tune of the Americans! It's good. There are Germans who have their own point of view, but the Janescans have no leverage to pressure them (compromising evidence)! And Merkel from the very beginning under the nail, IMHO.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 25 November 2014 10: 33
      +29
      This year the Ukrainians got the most difficult task: how to get money from Germany, buy gas from Russia for them and not giggle, calling themselves an independent state.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 25 November 2014 10: 41
        +23
        Quote: Sharky
        It’s good, there are Germans who have their own point of view, but the Janescans have no leverage to put pressure on them (compromising evidence)! And Merkel from the very beginning under the nail

        No matter how the business elite raged, Germany will remain in the top six with the United States, and for a long time.

        Germany already tried to listen to Putin, and tried to become independent, but there was not enough roofing felts, felts for naivety, they did not succeed .....

        Everyone remembers how recently Germany decided to regain all the gold that is stored in the United States, but the US Federal Reserve said that this was impossible, since the entire operation could be delayed until 2020.

        The states somehow became aware of Germany's "bad" intentions, and they simply said: "Guys, you will not see your gold as your own ears" So Germany is forced to obey today.

        And the euphoria about the fact that now - dissenting politicians and business will rock the boat, they won’t do anything. All Deutsche Banks tied to the US Federal Reserve. The states can easily impose sanctions against the financial sector in Germany, and the businessmen there will not like it.
        The states will just say now: Choose what it will be - BAD or VERY BAD.
        And everything, shut up quickly.
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 25 November 2014 10: 45
          +9
          I agree with you! But here you need to understand that no one has pulled his gold from Amers since the time of Charles de Gaulle. All creeps immediately cut. Okay with Germany, China can't either! Anyway, no one will be able to return who gave the Yandex storage. I would not be surprised that all the amer’s reserves have long been in a different place, and Fort Knox has long been empty, well, or full of tungsten ingots ... gilded.
          1. Hell's Angel
            Hell's Angel 25 November 2014 11: 04
            +2
            Hugo Chavez say pulled out. There is little left in the Bank of England.
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 25 November 2014 11: 14
              -1
              Quote: Hell Angel
              Hugo Chavez say pulled

              They say chickens are milked.
              1. Dali
                Dali 25 November 2014 11: 29
                +3
                Quote: Natalia
                Quote: hell angel Hugo Chavez say pulled out They say chickens are milked.


                Pulled out, not only from the USA, but from England ...

                What got into the USA is lost - consider that not yours laughing

                With the great Russian wrestler Poddubny an excellent example ...
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          2. Rostislav
            Rostislav 25 November 2014 11: 07
            +4
            You can return it, if you wish. The watchman has no right to dictate his terms to the owner. Another thing is that the "watchman" has leverage over the "owner", which is why he is afraid to demand the return of his goods.
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 25 November 2014 11: 17
              +3
              Quote: Rostislav
              You can return, it would be a desire.

              There is strength, there is will, but there is no willpower. So it is here.
              So they won't pull anything out. And the "Watchman", as you put it, has an absolute right within the framework of his domination, and he is not going to ask anyone.
              1. wanderer_032
                wanderer_032 25 November 2014 15: 50
                0
                Quote: Natalia
                And the "Watchman", as you put it, has an absolute right within the framework of his domination, and he is not going to ask anyone.


                According to the main law of Matrasia, whose gun is right.
          3. sergi801
            sergi801 25 November 2014 23: 21
            0
            As far as you know, one of the countries in South America (Argentina - I'm afraid to make a mistake), just the other day cashed in gold in the USA. I read here, or on mail.ru
        2. ispaniard
          ispaniard 25 November 2014 11: 09
          +8

          Here, by the way, is a video from all of you known Anatoly Shariy about the true attitude of the Germans towards Putin and his politics. 89% Comrade officers, 89% ... Someone will say that the lies and results are overestimated. Why then hide the results of the survey from people? ..
          1. Sailor Zheleznyak
            Sailor Zheleznyak 25 November 2014 14: 23
            +2
            T.N. "freedom of speech" in the West is just as much a myth as democracy in ancient Rome, where 99,9% of the population was slaves. Try to register on such well-known public resources as Die Welt or der Spiegel or Der Zeit, and then comment on the editorial in a political spirit. absolutely contradicts the author's vision of the situation, especially in Russia, and so you will never find your comment. as published. Strict moderation works everywhere and everything is in t.z. Western politicians sweep aside incorrect opinions immediately, and sometimes automatically.
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        4. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 25 November 2014 14: 44
          0
          but the roofing felts were not enough, the roofing felts were naive, they did not succeed .....

          + You definitely noticed! Naivety and add - credulity.
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 25 November 2014 10: 58
        +3
        Merkel is doing everything against her country, although listening to her performances is such a sweetheart.
        1. xbhxbr-777
          xbhxbr-777 25 November 2014 13: 16
          0
          Finish it! Fact
          angry
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    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 25 November 2014 11: 14
      +3
      Quote: Sharky
      and the Janescans have no leverage over them (compromising)!

      yes they have a lever: gold in the states, and bases in Germany. so I can challenge your IMHO .aaaa! ... here Natalia painted everything in color.!
      1. Heinrich ruppert
        Heinrich ruppert 25 November 2014 12: 21
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        yes they have a lever


        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Naturally, the German business does not want to sit with these sanctions for a long time.


        The article mentions the name of Seehofer. And this receiver of Steuiber (also a minister-president of Bavaria)
        So in the mid-90s to the mid-2000s, Stoiber was Luzhkov's "dumb sidekick". They then drove meat to Russia from 20 to 40 trucks a day. At the same time, getting a double fat. The first is from sales and the second is a subsidy from the European Union for exported meat outside the EU. Moreover, plastic molds were even made in which the "patrocha" was frozen. And subsidies were paid for a kilogram of exported products. Does anyone really think that such large volumes were unnoticed by the special services. And this is dirt that was "unnoticed by the authorities." And that's just a tiny fraction. Likewise, Merkel was the chairman of the commission that "ripped apart the GDR" hi
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        2. 97110
          97110 25 November 2014 15: 50
          -2
          Dear Rupert. Your Russian is even a little too big. Well, you can’t do this:
          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          receiver
          (in the sense of a transmitter?)
          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          Minister, President

          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          The reason

          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          "patrocha"

          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          unnoticed

          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          unnoticed
          1. Heinrich ruppert
            Heinrich ruppert 25 November 2014 16: 25
            +1
            Quote: 97110
            Dear Rupert.

            You would also be nice to at least write my last name correctly.

            Quote: 97110
            Dear Rupert. Your Russian is even a little too big. Well, you can’t do this:
            Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
            receiver (in the sense of a transmitter?)


            But if you do not know what (the receiver) means the follower, the person to whom is protected. I don’t know how to depreciate you.
            Quote: 97110
            Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
            Minister, President


            So this is for the educational program "minister president" the official position of the head of the federal land in Germany.

            Quote: 97110
            Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
            The reason
            Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
            "patrocha"
            Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
            unnoticed
            Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
            unnoticed


            To correct errors, I have secretaries in Russia and Germany. They get paid for it. Well, I taught two higher educations in two countries about technical reasons, but I can’t write correctly in one language.
            Who needs this information that was provided above, he will understand me with errors.
            1. Sailor Zheleznyak
              Sailor Zheleznyak 25 November 2014 17: 56
              +1
              Alles ist klar, Heinrich. Die normale Leute haben alles verstehen.
              1. Heinrich ruppert
                Heinrich ruppert 25 November 2014 21: 10
                +1
                Quote: Sailor Zheleznyak
                Alles ist klar, Heinrich. Die normale Leute haben alles verstehen.


                drinks hi
    3. Cap-3 USSR
      Cap-3 USSR 25 November 2014 11: 48
      +1
      Naturally, the German business does not want to sit with these sanctions for a long time. In fact, in Europe (I write with a small one, because I have not yet deserved it) only Germany more or less has industry and draws the entire European Union.
      And who wants to drag such a ermo on him, and even lose profits for the sake of someone.
    4. Sailor Zheleznyak
      Sailor Zheleznyak 25 November 2014 12: 50
      +2
      Those who are affixed to the United States have danced and will dance to their tune (Merkel, Gauck, etc.). The United States confidently controls Merkel, as an agent of STASI and a member of the leadership of the German Youth Union in the past. In addition, according to the constitutional law G20, the American occupation units may impose martial law on German territories without the consent of the local authorities, i.e. de jure Germany - a state occupied by Americans, and even legally. The German gold reserve has still not returned to its homeland from US banks and no one already knows if this is possible ...
  2. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 25 November 2014 10: 30
    +17
    The funniest thing would be if Merkel lost her chair because she went on about the USA!
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 25 November 2014 10: 32
      +3
      throw off HOW TO DRINK GIVE
    2. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 25 November 2014 10: 42
      +4
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      The funniest thing would be if Merkel lost her chair because she went on about the USA!

      The Germans should have understood for a long time that the prosperous future of Germany and the prosperous future of Merkel are incompatible things!
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      2. 97110
        97110 25 November 2014 15: 54
        0
        Quote: 1812 1945
        the future of Germany and the prosperous future of Merkel are incompatible things!

        This is true in the case of other countries.
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  3. Giant thought
    Giant thought 25 November 2014 10: 30
    +5
    Profound contradictions in the German elite are caused by Merkel’s course for confrontation with Russia.
  4. UralMan
    UralMan 25 November 2014 10: 31
    +2
    Well, the same nemchura began to wade you
    it's only the beginning
    old people remember Ivan - they know how much a pound of dashing
  5. Pavelm
    Pavelm 25 November 2014 10: 32
    +6
    Not being friends with Russia was always expensive. But it will not be otherwise!
  6. Finches
    Finches 25 November 2014 10: 32
    +3
    The thing is that as soon as one of them sits in the official seat in the government, he receives a recommendation call from Washington on his phone and now he is a sculpted friend of Merkel or an extension of her current line!
  7. qQQQ
    qQQQ 25 November 2014 10: 32
    +3
    They will argue, quarrel, maybe for "entourage" they will give someone in the face, but they will do as America says. Although a trifle, but pleasant. They lay down under Babama without joy, gritting their teeth, and this is much more "worthy" than just lying down.
    1. GRF
      GRF 25 November 2014 10: 41
      +2
      It is "worthy" to surrender ...
      It's impossible.

      Captured does not mean surrender ...

  8. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 25 November 2014 10: 32
    +3
    The Germans are pragmatic and count money very well. It seems that the first country in Europe where public opinion will unfold in favor of Russia will be Germany. The fruits of this work are already visible. This is the statements of the former leaders of the country, opinion polls ..... And how many enterprises with German participation in our country. Chancellor tremble .......
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 25 November 2014 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: ODERVIT
      The Germans are pragmatic and count money very well. It seems that the first country in Europe where public opinion will unfold in favor of Russia will be Germany. The fruits of this work are already visible. This is the statements of the former leaders of the country, opinion polls ..... And how many enterprises with German participation in our country. Chancellor tremble .......

      In Germany
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    3. 97110
      97110 25 November 2014 16: 05
      0
      Quote: ODERVIT
      And how many enterprises with German participation in our country. Chancellor tremble .......

      He was a witness. Russian-German company. Dies (end of last century). Already mentally put an end to. Suddenly, another German enterprise enters, enters with new technology. The popular opinion is that our women are to blame for everything. The Germans who took root could not come to terms with the prospect of parting with heartfelt sympathies, which also found the situation immensely tragic. And they persuaded the employees of another enterprise in Germany to fit into the topic, explaining to the owners the bright prospects. Now there is a working company in Russia and a number of happy people. Because our women are for Germans of unearthly beauty and great wisdom. And the Germans, compared to most local ones, are healthier, richer and easier to manage in the sense of limiting wine drinking. Which is also very important.
  9. Balamyt
    Balamyt 25 November 2014 10: 34
    +3
    Here I read all this, and I understand how the whole West and not only are really afraid of a resurgent Russia! Her power, her strength in defending her interests, and the interests of her friends!
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 25 November 2014 10: 37
      +3
      Frau Merkel, you're wrong!
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  10. Fin
    Fin 25 November 2014 10: 34
    +1
    RT will help the Germans figure it out. In general, to merge a little information about the Chancellor Act, about gold in the USA, etc. Angela will immediately become more accommodating.
    1. Altona
      Altona 25 November 2014 10: 52
      +2
      Quote: Fin
      RT will help the Germans figure it out. In general, to merge a little information about the Chancellor Act, about gold in the USA, etc. Angela will immediately become more accommodating.

      -----------------------
      The Germans know everything ... It’s just that the media are biased and alternative opinions are not voiced ... The Germans already say that continuous propaganda flooded from the screens instead of news ...
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 November 2014 10: 35
    +2
    Go to work! Now the chancellor will shake the brains!
  12. wolf7
    wolf7 25 November 2014 10: 36
    +1
    Most politicians are representatives of big business or lobby for its interests, and corporations do not like to lose profits due to inadequate behavior of those in power. Therefore, Madame Merkel risks returning to her Komsomol past, writing memoirs (* if someone else reads them)
  13. Altona
    Altona 25 November 2014 10: 37
    +1
    Eugene N answered Alexander
    10:19
    Well, in your definition, not a single point converges ... Citizens of Germany have even more rights than in the United States, no one siphons resources from Germany, Germany has its own army and government, expresses a point of view different from Washington's (in Libyan and Iraqi issues) ... It's another matter that with regard to Russia, the United States recalls its Atlantic pact and exerts unprecedented pressure on Germany, and on France too ... This is facilitated by American bases, the "chancellor's act" (if any) and pressure through the financial sector ... For example, the return of the Mistrals to Russia is linked to the case of the French bank BNP Paribas, according to which Washington believes it has the right to claim up to $ 9,5 billion in an alleged money laundering case ... and with all the losses at the expense of Germany and the initiator of all this Great Britain (it is clear from whose submission) ... And in these countries, no state formations decide anything ... Sun It is not the "multinationals", transnational corporations that decide ... All politicians, they do not decide anything, they only voice the point of view of their "democratic" masters ... And their colony is the whole world ... Both the United States and Russia too ..
    -----------------------------
    I just posted my opinion on the social network ... Alexander claimed that Germany is a colony, I spoke out for the fact that Germany is an occupied country ...
  14. oakim
    oakim 25 November 2014 10: 49
    +1
    Germans are not the same .... generations have grown into prostitutes, they will not rise)
  15. 341712
    341712 25 November 2014 10: 52
    +1
    You can see hu is hu ....
  16. Bourgeois
    Bourgeois 25 November 2014 11: 02
    +2
    States will stand up for cancer, but will not allow Germany to draw closer to Russia.
    If German politics is a little freer from the states, a little more independent and persistent, then the Berlin-Moscow-Beijing axis will immediately appear .. and then the Anglo-Saxons do not see Eurasia as their ears, they will be kicked everywhere. The Yankees are very afraid of this, and therefore will do everything so that their influence prevails in German politics.
    Although everything is possible. If German industrialists seriously screw Angelica to a warm wall))) then a turn towards mother Russia is possible.
  17. Black
    Black 25 November 2014 11: 05
    0
    Quote: oakim
    Germans are not the same

    I will disappoint you. Germans - MORE !!!! And what is happening in Ukraine, I think the echoes of the reviving "drangnahost"!
  18. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 25 November 2014 11: 06
    +1
    Yes, we just need to turn from West to East. In Germany, this is not a sovereign state, as indeed France. There is nothing to talk about small Britain. We need to clutch our teeth and work, but we will more talk and expect that the forces of reason will prevail in Germany. May they not win, as in France and Italy. They are dependent on each other and at the same time with the USA, which influence the geyropa with their bases. The United States is gradually bringing the war to a permanent state on the Ruin, which will affect the largest continent in the world: from the smelly geyropa to Vladivostok. Russia will be forced to defend Novorossia, and this will anger fans of the anus. And the result is that the EU and Russia will not have any normal relations. We must build our industry, recreate all industries and produce all the most basic things ourselves. And with the geyropa do not stop blah blah. After all, they need to sell goods somewhere. And people like Lithuania simply ignore and show her that without Russia it is nothing like Latvia.
  19. Anaida
    Anaida 25 November 2014 11: 08
    0
    Quote: Sharky
    Tearing in the ruling elites indicates that not all politicians are willing to humbly dance to the tune of the Americans! It's good. There are Germans who have their own point of view, but the Janescans have no leverage to pressure them (compromising evidence)! And Merkel from the very beginning under the nail, IMHO.

    So in vain did they listen to Merkel so diligently? I wonder what this lady is so afraid of, what she "slept on" on?
  20. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 25 November 2014 11: 26
    0
    I propose to Comrade Angela to transfer German gold stored in the USA to help Ukraine. We can’t return it ourselves! And here you understand such a beautiful gesture ... fellow
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 25 November 2014 11: 27
    0
    Merkel does not live in Germany, and behaves like the last rubbish ...
  22. tux
    tux 25 November 2014 11: 33
    +1
    Quote: ZU-23
    Merkel is doing everything against her country, although listening to her performances is such a sweetheart.


    This is not her country - she is Polish. Just like Sharkozy (just like that, and not Sarkozy) is also not a Frenchman and did not care for him in France.
  23. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 25 November 2014 11: 46
    0
    Merkel, this is perhaps the first and only disgrace in the history of Germany.
  24. X Y Z
    X Y Z 25 November 2014 12: 16
    +1
    Bavaria, as is widely known, is the locomotive of Germany. That is, this is the land that makes the most significant contribution to its economy. And they have long been tired of these Berlin games. interfering to establish a normal, profitable business. It must be said that, as in all of Europe, separatist sentiments have long and seriously taken place here. Merkel does not have to underestimate the patience of the Bavarians, it is not unlimited.
    1. 290980
      290980 25 November 2014 14: 14
      +1
      Quote: XYZ
      Bavaria, as is widely known, is the locomotive of Germany. That is, this is the land that makes the most significant contribution to its economy. And they have long been tired of these Berlin games. interfering to establish a normal, profitable business. It must be said that, as in all of Europe, separatist sentiments have long and seriously taken place here. Merkel does not have to underestimate the patience of the Bavarians, it is not unlimited.

      removed from the tongue, Bavaria is pulling the whole of Germany and they are already tired of it.
  25. Prager
    Prager 25 November 2014 12: 25
    0
    unequivocally, Merkel, so deeply laid under the obama, will lead her country to unpleasant consequences.
  26. s30461
    s30461 25 November 2014 12: 36
    0
    Quote: dchegrinec
    Merkel, this is perhaps the first and only disgrace in the history of Germany.

    Well, not the first ... They had a lot of these. Hitler, for example ...
    Merkel, of course, does not even pull the Oberfuhrer, but sings in unison with the Nazis.
    1. 290980
      290980 25 November 2014 14: 35
      +1
      Quote: s30461

      Well, not the first ... They had a lot of these. Hitler, for example ...
      Merkel, of course, does not even pull the Oberfuhrer, but sings in unison with the Nazis.


      the winners write a story, not everything is clear with Hitler there either, he didn’t fall off the moon and most Germans had support, Putin’s situation is similar, and if in the event of further unrest, the conflict escalates into a war in which Putin loses, then the winners it is also mixed with feces like Hitler.
  27. PValery53
    PValery53 25 November 2014 18: 21
    +1
    Quote: aszzz888
    Go to work! Now the chancellor will shake the brains!

    In this regard, one must take an example from Father: he regularly (and boobs-masks (L.I.Brezhnev), that is, systematically) "fumbles" his state apparatus (!) ..