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Dali from Dali: NATO is not far off?

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Dali from Dali: NATO is not far off?Well, that was what was required to prove: Ukraine will now rapidly and inevitably fight to go to NATO by leaps and bounds. Someday. When will be ready. Approximately the way she entered the same place at the Alliance summit in 2008, when the huge palace of the executed leader of Romania, Nicolae Ceausescu in Bucharest, shouting “Get out of the Gypsies! I am no longer a rider here! ”Viktor Yushchenko ran, smearing his tears on the face of the mangled dioxin and Botox. Then Ukraine promised that it can become a member. And even the brain.

But the action plan to acquire membership, the notorious MAP, just in case, did not give. And Yushchenko was terrified about this.

Now everything has changed dramatically. In Ukraine, “ryvolyutsia gidnosti” terribly won, the people saw the light of the EU and NATO and wanted to reject the chains of non-aligned status, into which the pro-Putin pro-Kremlin “anti-people regime of Viktor Yanukovich” put them. So you have to enter. Because a certain sociological group “Rating”, sensitively reacting to all the miasmas and moods of the “revolutionary narida” from Galicia, has already jumped around and found out: at the beginning of November 2014, the number of supporters of Ukraine’s accession to the EU rose to 64%, and half of the respondents for joining to nato. And if a referendum was held on Ukraine’s accession to NATO, half of the respondents (51%) would have voted for, 25% against, and another 25% would not have decided or would not take part in the referendum.

And the President of Ukraine, of course, could not stay away from this popular aspiration, and said: “The decision to join or not join NATO is solely the competence of the Ukrainian people ... We have developed the criteria by which Ukraine will meet NATO requirements. Only after they have been achieved will the Ukrainian people in a referendum be able to decide whether or not to join NATO. ”

He did this at a joint press conference with Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite, who on Monday, November 24 of the year 2014, visited Kiev. This undoubtedly outstanding Lithuanian woman has been working for the second time as president of her country and has proven herself in the international arena as the main barking bit of “Putin’s imperialist Russia”. This is today both a trend and a mainstream at the same time. And in the European country, Lithuania, which a quarter of its population has left on this occasion, is forced to work in Europe from hopelessness and poverty, in this case the chip is slashed. And the flagship is the president. Modern and pro-European. What did this former worker of the Vilnius Higher Party School of the CPSU not only say to Russia and its president? If you listen to her, she learned to think, and talk, and read in some hideout of SS "forest brothers", and not at the Marxism-Leninism department at the Academy of Social Sciences at the Central Committee of the CPSU in Moscow, where she defended her scientific field after Lithuania dissertation

And in Kiev, Dahl, this, as Kiev journalist Maxim Ravreb, figuratively put it, “an old commuter with mold”, has not far removed from the usual views on the world and its surroundings. She almost choked with joy for the European perspectives of Ukraine and warmly greeted them in every possible way. And even figuratively and convincingly told that NATO is not only a military organization and that all its members have gone the way of full democracy and the protection of human rights. And now these same people in NATO feel protected more than ever. Unlike people who are not in NATO and therefore urgently need democratization with the help of air strikes with bomb attacks. Like in Yugoslavia in 1999. Or in Afghanistan. Or in Iraq ...

However, in Kiev, Dahl, it seems to me, made the most important, systemic and fundamental error inherent, however, to everyone who comes to the banks of the Dnieper from the West and promises all possible assistance. She said that in order to obtain membership, Ukraine must go through a “deep reform process”. “This concerns both your membership in the EU and your membership in NATO. You need to show action, do a lot of homework in the country. A country that will make efforts and carry out the necessary reforms - it will be covered by the possibility of NATO membership. No country will be able to stop applying for membership and dictate which direction you should take, especially your neighbors, ”she said, smiling optimistically.

Op-pa, as they say! It was here that the dog rummaged, thoughtfully noticed in such cases the predecessor of all reformers in the post-Soviet space Michal Sergeyitch Gorbachev. First, if reforms in Ukraine were productively implemented, then maybe it would not be necessary to join any EU with NATO. And secondly - and this is important! “Dahl seems to be attacking the same rake as all the other assistant donors who have previously been to Ukraine.” Because linking aid with reforms, moreover, with the fight against corruption in Ukraine, this means almost automatically abandoning aid. This linkage generally makes any help impossible in principle. Because if in Ukraine to take away corruption and the ability to “lubricate” processes in life, everything will stop. Permanently and forever. Corruption is the necessary lubrication of everything that happens in the country, its engine and conductor.

But there are apparently no such peaks that the people and its envoys, who won on Independence Square, would not have taken to the freest in the world Verkhovna Rada. As you know, the other day the members of the future parliamentary coalition fixed in the coalition agreement the provision that, in the framework of the reform of the system of ensuring national security and defense, Ukraine would give up its non-aligned status and resume integration into NATO.

Because the law of Ukraine “On the principles of foreign and domestic policy”, adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of 1 in July of 2010 of the year and signed by President Yanukovych of 15 in July of the same year, stands in the way of joining the Alliance. And there it was recorded that Ukraine will strictly adhere to non-aligned status and intends to actively participate in the development of a collective security system in the European and Euro-Atlantic space. But who will peer into the signature of the satrap under a piece of paper, which those who voted for the “dictatorial laws of January 16” consecrated with their voices? Fuck them!

So, most likely, and will be - new deputies and not such cancel. If they are good to ask, and even better - to stimulate. No wonder that the Tajik Mustafa, who had shot up to parliamentary heights on the crest of popular love, had already said that with a salary of 5 thousand hryvnia to him and do not come, he would not do anything. So cancel the non-aligned status as much as a run.

But the trouble is that at the above-mentioned Alliance summit in Bucharest it was clearly stated: Ukraine will become a member of NATO, if it wishes it and will meet the necessary criteria. And the criteria are simple: there is no corruption, there are reforms, the rule of law is present, human rights and freedoms are observed and guaranteed.

It is clear that this is not said about Ukraine. But it can be accepted without any criteria. However, the question is: what will the Ukrainians benefit from, on whose behalf both the social group “Rating”, and the Ukrainian president, and the parliamentary coalition in the Rada, and the Lithuanian Dahl, who are so easy to watch, will be born? for the Ukrainian tragedy from a distance and in the same way encouraging? ..
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  1. Fedya
    Fedya 25 November 2014 06: 48
    +8
    Dalia in Lithuanian means fate! Damn fate I tell you. And at one time she also published a saber in the internet.
    1. andj61
      andj61 25 November 2014 08: 07
      +10
      Quote: Fedya
      Dalia in Lithuanian means fate! Damn fate I tell you. And at one time she also published a saber in the internet.

      Career communists (and Komsomol members too), and not communists by conviction, are the worst embodiment of the USSR’s heritage, and throughout the post-Soviet space. Then they joined the CPSU in order to occupy a warm place, and now everything is connected with the USSR and Russia. And Grybauskaite, as well as all sorts of different Pharions, Kuchma and others like them, are precisely from among them.
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 25 November 2014 17: 50
        0
        Yes, let these dill jump wherever they want. Anyway, in 10 years there will be essentially a Stone Age, another eternally hungry and sick Africa. In Europe, they have already begun to understand this with all clarity, and they already say in plain text that the Ruin will NEVER be in the EU. Yes, and the United States needs them "for the time being," so the monkey will soon leave, and they will have their problems above the roof, and the Ruin will begin a rapid degradation, or rather continue. and now the young people there are already far from ethics and morality, and the main science at school is "the history of the great Ukrainian empire" where they left Atlantis and will soon fly to Mars.)
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    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 25 November 2014 09: 32
      +1
      All the same, it is believed that Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 25 November 2014 22: 27
        0
        Quote: Giant thought
        All the same, it is believed that Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO.

        I think everything has already been decided, NATO does not want to drag Ukraine on itself, but .......... this is a backup option, it will always be a trigger for Russia.
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  2. saag
    saag 25 November 2014 06: 52
    +4
    "... It is clear that this is not said about Ukraine. But it can be accepted without any criteria."

    And all the gestures of the Russian authorities with hints that she needs all of Ukraine will be in vain, like everything else, instead of supporting the meeting of the heads of regions of the Southeast, which happened after the Kiev coup, in Kharkov, in my opinion, she - the Russian government did not prefer this do
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 25 November 2014 06: 57
    +4
    Yeah. They want Ukrainians to Europe and NATO. They all dream that they will be accepted everywhere and healed right away like in a fairy tale! But only in Europe now there is a complete set of problems! And another hungry mouth is fucked, sorry, didn’t give up to anyone! Market the cheap labor force is simply overcrowded. The same baldons flooded Scandinavia and Germany. There is no sense in saying anything about Romanians and other Gypsies. I personally saw them both in France and Sweden (they don’t want to work at all and live on benefits and, as always, are drug-addicted) And how many illegal immigrants from Africa ?! So they do not wait for you anywhere and do not need you Ikoma. Until you yourself understand this and do not stop Maidan, you will not live better.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 25 November 2014 08: 11
      +3
      What does Europe have to do with it? First of all, the United States needs it - here is a complete victory. And the US base on the Russian border is no longer a dream. And all sorts of conditions for admission to NATO can be changed, supplemented, made exceptions ... So do not take this as a dogma for the West.
    2. Underwood
      Underwood 25 November 2014 09: 06
      +3
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Ukrainians want to Europe and NATO

      NATO is a fun company. Remember how during the sixth expansion (when Albania was accepted), capricious Greeks slowed Macedonia (attention!) due to disputes over the name of the country.
      If toponymy can be a cause of failure, then what does Parashenka count on? This is a sweet democratic coquetry - a referendum ... the people decide ...
      I think the xoxl still make fun of them ... Where is my popcorn ?????
  4. Wolka
    Wolka 25 November 2014 07: 02
    +2
    Ukraine is already a political corpse, is it worth reviving it, it is high time for the EU to think about creating a new state formation loyal on its borders, not even one, but the brains are saturated with sleeping pills from the Yankees ...
  5. Yaroslav83
    Yaroslav83 25 November 2014 07: 07
    +2
    Does the people of Ukraine really want to become NATO litter-room, having joined them like the Baltic countries, instead of equal partnership with us? It seems that they all suddenly began to think Lyashko’s working hole.
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 25 November 2014 07: 36
      +6
      Quote: Yaroslav83
      Does the people of Ukraine really want to become NATO litter-room, having joined them like the Baltic countries, instead of equal partnership with us? It seems that they all suddenly began to think Lyashko’s working hole.

      They are always like that
    2. Underwood
      Underwood 25 November 2014 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: Yaroslav83
      Does the people of Ukraine really want to become NATO litter

      And then! Today I learned that the Hawks have such a press organ: "European truth. "Laughed. What a thread a factory where a thread in Shepetovka" Red cultivator "already rename" European "! Ibonki - ashamed!
  6. avvg
    avvg 25 November 2014 07: 41
    +1
    Proverb: “WE ARE GOOD WHERE WE ARE NOT.” Ukrainians think that they will be comfortable in the EU and NATO.
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 25 November 2014 09: 14
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      Krai people think that in the EU and NATO, IM will be comfortable

      Well, Albania since April 1 (already ridiculous) of 2009 in NATO. And what, have ceased to be gypsies and euro sediment? 25% are still below the poverty line. True, Moldovans are still overtaking in terms of GDP per capita.
    2. Penelope
      Penelope 25 November 2014 10: 55
      +2
      Probably in NATO and the EU there are smart people who will vote against the admission of Ukraine to their composition.
  7. Grbear
    Grbear 25 November 2014 07: 47
    +3
    And cho to sniff articles that are about nothing.
    Nata says reform, then money. Ukrainians - yeah! But the money is ahead.
    Convert member Nata carefully calls to where her right of veto is stuck in UTB.
    What reforms? if there are not even signs of statehood. Banal "twisting" the bubble.
    Everyone understands and pulls time. They are waiting for someone to give slack earlier or where they will explode earlier. In both cases-just to annoy Russia. hi
  8. Quantum
    Quantum 25 November 2014 08: 09
    +1
    The dream of a freebie in the EU has gone beyond the horizon, perhaps never, Svidomo middle and older can only dream of. Jumping youth
    It remains only to change the gender and apply for earnings in the EU.
    By the way, in the American army, perverts are allowed to declare their
    sexual ambitions. What is not an option for a future happy life in another war in the Middle East? Ukraine itself, to that happy
    time, unable to withstand IMF reforms, will fall apart or will elicit a miserable
    existence on the next Maidan.
  9. kuz363
    kuz363 25 November 2014 08: 22
    0
    It is clear that this is not said about Ukraine. But it can be accepted without any criteria. However, the question is: what will the Ukrainians benefit from, on whose behalf both the social group “Rating”, and the Ukrainian president, and the parliamentary coalition in the Rada, and the Lithuanian Dahl, who are so easy to watch, will be born? for the Ukrainian tragedy from a distance and in the same way encouraging? ..

    Well, firstly, Ukrainians will be asked in a referendum and more than half will be for joining NATO. Such data was back in 2013, when Yanukovych was in power. And they hope that then they will be safe, without war and refugees. In the end, it is their choice - the choice of the people. What to do to Russia? Strength won't help anymore. Not that situation. The main thing is to stop wailing that Ukraine is a fraternal country and the roots of Russia come from Kiev. And treat it like any other NATO country.
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    2. 97110
      97110 25 November 2014 09: 44
      +1
      Quote: kuz363
      The main thing is to stop wailing that Ukraine is a fraternal country and the roots of Russia come from Kiev. And treat it like any other NATO country.
      Treat - yes. And "lament" - why not. How many ping-dos have been "lamenting" about our human rights. And not to say that this has not dirtied anyone's brains here, let alone the Ukrainians ... This is one of the areas of international activity - "denouncing" enemies and talking about their merits. Send everyone - so what's next. Imagine, a year ago Russia “takes offense” at Ukraine and treats it as an enemy. What would you achieve?
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 25 November 2014 11: 59
        +1
        No matter how you treat it, there’s no method against the forehead, on the forehead, against the crowbar. Last year, we treated Ukraine as a fraternal country. They lowered the price of gas and gave a profitable loan. And what have we achieved?
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 25 November 2014 11: 59
        0
        No matter how you treat it, there’s no method against the forehead, on the forehead, against the crowbar. Last year, we treated Ukraine as a fraternal country. They lowered the price of gas and gave a profitable loan. And what have we achieved?
  10. SveTok
    SveTok 25 November 2014 09: 08
    +2
    They got all the dill already, let them go wherever they want, except they can’t download anything.
  11. 2224460
    2224460 25 November 2014 09: 35
    +2
    Then Ukraine was promised that it could become a member.
    The funny thing is that it has become a "member" of the ruin, but not that.
  12. Vorchun
    Vorchun 25 November 2014 09: 59
    +1
    "... We have developed the criteria by which Ukraine will meet the requirements of NATO... ... "
    This is exactly, already like NATO, they bomb and kill civilians.
  13. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 25 November 2014 10: 07
    +1
    The referendum, NATO's statement that, as an exception and in connection with (insert the necessary), the introduction of NATO troops into Ukraine under the pretext of "helping a new member", the total destruction of the east of Ukraine ... And then what ??? And this can be done in a month or two
  14. Alfizik
    Alfizik 25 November 2014 10: 32
    +1
    Will Ukraine have enough money for a NATO membership card? Or will they ask Russia? Eh, we’d rather have entered! .. Then, it will not be far from the Brussels Maidan.
  15. zero12005
    zero12005 25 November 2014 11: 55
    +1
    Quote: Thought Giant
    All the same, it is believed that Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO.

    Well, yes, the method of surgical intervention, therapeutic treatment will not help ...
  16. korablik
    korablik 25 November 2014 12: 04
    +1
    The President of the Russian Federation on a live broadcast will begin to hang on the neck of Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Turchinov, Avakov, Kolomoisky and Joe Biden
  17. Ober.K
    Ober.K 25 November 2014 12: 10
    +1
    Ukraine for the United States (NATO) is needed as a permanently not healing wound and a headache for Russia! Those who are now at the helm of an agonizing country are working out their number and, as you know, "the sheriff's blacks do not care about problems" I mean, of course, ordinary citizens of Ukraine. Time will tell what will happen next, but I think there are several options:
    -intensive therapy and long-term rehabilitation with the loss of individual organs;
    -partial amputation;
    -euthanasia followed by "cremation" of the affected members;
    As it seems to me, NATO is a club of "sadists", but not "comatose" ... That's all! hi
  18. Prager
    Prager 25 November 2014 14: 06
    +1
    Dahl is a typical Soviet Komsomol member-communist. A yard pug, in short.
  19. haustyn
    haustyn 25 November 2014 14: 07
    +1
    "Then Ukraine was promised that it could become a member. And even a brain."

    MEMBER ONLY! repeat
  20. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 25 November 2014 14: 12
    +2
    Dill said: Make a coup, and you are a member. The truth didn’t specify what, we said then we’ll figure it out. Then it came, but the member didn’t find a place anywhere. Everywhere is a bummer. Here and there are European women with these members who don’t know who to attach. There are no people willing. hi
  21. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 25 November 2014 15: 49
    +1
    Most Ukrainians want to join NATO and the EU. so why pity them? They are not children. Why are these tales about the fraternal people, they say, it is necessary to give him this and that. Let NATO give them gas, but what happens, we give them gas, and they give us NATO, which is unjust
  22. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 25 November 2014 15: 59
    0
    Ukrainians want nothing to do happily. What is the matter. Nothing to do, but the 5th and 20th, as A.Raikin said, so that it would be. And, naive, they believe it will be so. And in the EU they will not wait for them, and then that.
  23. Morfar
    Morfar 25 November 2014 18: 08
    0
    In Sweden, according to my observations, over the last year alone, the number of Romanians sitting and begging at each shopping center in almost all cities has increased significantly! The police cannot do anything. There is no formal article for vagrancy either; there is nothing to blame them as EU citizens, but it looks like an illustration of the 19th century Cunning Market.
  24. tulaev
    tulaev 25 November 2014 20: 00
    0
    Ukraine will become a member of NATO without any criteria, and this is understandable, for that the Americans invested money there. And it’s also clear that the story as usual will repeat itself in a new round (well, how old Kant can’t be remembered here): under the new Poltava, the new Peter will again fight with the new Karl and the new Mazepa. As before, it was on the Kulikovo field: where judging by some sources, the Cossacks fought on the side of the Khazar Khaganate. This is already a historical tradition: on the eve of the next war for the self-determination of our country, the neighboring territory, now called Ukraine, is split along the Dnieper into the right-bank and left-bank, simplistically left for us, right against (in fact, not all left, but only the current Donetsk region is visible). Conclusion: there is nothing left to wait for a new acute phase of the confrontation for our freedom.