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Ambiguous future of the Ukrainian Navy

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One of the main News the last days concerning the armed forces of Ukraine, there have been rumors about the possible transformation of the naval forces of this country. It is reported that in the near future, the naval forces of Ukraine will be transformed into flotilla. In addition, the plans of the country's leadership include a reassignment of the new structure. There has not yet been official confirmation of this information, but a reaction has already appeared to such plans.



According to the Internet portal Blackseanews.net, a few days ago, a report on the transformation of naval forces was presented to the President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko. The document received the approval of the president and now has to become the basis for the relevant orders, which will be developed by the General Staff. The essence of the proposal made by the "land" generals without consulting with the sailors is the cardinal transformations of the Ukrainian Navy. It is proposed to convert this type of armed forces into a flotilla, which will be subordinate not to the General Staff, but to the Southern Operational Command.

At present, the remnants of the Ukrainian military fleet are based in Odessa, where a part of the ships that had previously served at the bases of the Crimea passed. Proceeding from the desire to optimize the deployment of various organs and structures of the armed forces, the authors of the “reform” propose to transfer a new flotilla to the city of Nikolaev. This is expected to free up buildings and objects in Odessa, transferred from this spring to the command of the naval forces. In these buildings it is supposed to place the Southern operational command of land forces.

The appearance of such information led to a corresponding response. For example, the author of the publication Blackseanews.net believes that optimizing the placement of fleet facilities is only a formal occasion. In fact, the sailors will be “exiled” to Nikolaev in order to free up space and land in Odessa. Odessa naval facilities are located in the city center, on the seashore, and for this reason they are of particular interest from a commercial point of view.

Against the background of the latest news concerning a number of specific features of the supply and financing of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the assumption about the true goals of relocating ships and vessels looks quite plausible. In the current situation, everyone is trying, as they say, to snatch their piece, including at the cost of the combat capability of subunits or the lives of soldiers. Relocating the remnants of the naval forces in this case will be another attempt to earn at the expense of his position.

Several arguments can be made to justify the authors of the idea of ​​reforming and relocating the remnants of the Ukrainian Navy. So, the remaining ships can interfere with the work of the port of Odessa. Large volumes of various cargoes pass through the port of Odessa, which gives Ukraine a certain income. Naval ships take up positions in the port and thus to some extent impede its operation. Thus, it really makes sense to free the berths necessary for the port and transfer the ships and vessels of the fleet to another place.

The port of the city of Nikolaev is proposed as a new base for the flotilla of Ukraine. Such a choice of a new base has both negative and positive features, but their ratio is clearly not in favor of the latter. After the loss of Crimea, Ukrainian ships can be based only in a few ports. At the same time, the port of Odessa is planned to be freed from warships. Mariupol is located on the shores of the Azov Sea, and in addition, it is located dangerously close to the combat zone. As a result, Nikolaev is the only port capable of receiving ships of the new flotilla.

Nikolaev, as a base for a military flotilla, also has serious shortcomings, primarily related to its geographic location. To get from the base to the Black Sea, ships will have to walk several tens of kilometers along the Southern Bug River. Such an arrangement of the city did not prevent the construction of various ships and vessels, but it could seriously complicate the full operation of warships. As a result, Nikolaev turns out to be one of several ambiguous options that have a specific combination of advantages and disadvantages.

The proposal to reorganize the naval forces into a flotilla has a certain meaning, although it looks extremely strange or even offensive to Ukrainian sailors. After the spring events in the composition of the Ukrainian Navy, only seven warships and boats remained. These are the frigate “Getman Sagaydachny”, the landing ship “Kirovograd”, the corvette “Vinnitsa”, the missile boat “Priluki”, the artillery boat “Skadovsk”, the minesweeper “Genichesk” and the control ship “Donbass”. In addition, Ukraine has several auxiliary vessels of different types. Some of the equipment, including eight combat boats and ships, as well as the submarine "Zaporozhye", remains in the Crimea and has not yet been transferred to Ukraine due to recent events.

In its present state, the naval forces of Ukraine are more like a squadron or flotilla assembled from disparate ships. Naturally, this composition affects the combat effectiveness of the remnants of the Navy. In fact, the remaining seven ships and boats simply can not protect the Ukrainian coast from possible threats. It should be noted, and under the previous authorities, the Ukrainian Navy did not constitute a serious force, however, after the loss of the Crimea and some ships, this type of armed forces almost completely lost the remnants of its combat potential. Given the current state of the naval forces, renaming them into a flotilla looks like a rather logical step, reflecting the real state of affairs.

It hardly makes sense to expect that in the near future Ukraine will be able to restore its navy even to the state it had in previous years. The new authorities plan to develop the armed forces, but the economic crisis in the country imposes serious restrictions on the implementation of such plans. In addition, the Ukrainian leadership has specific views on the development of the naval forces.

At the end of October, Ukrainian President P. Poroshenko said that the modernization of existing ships and vessels is a more effective undertaking than the construction of new ones. At the same time, the great importance of the return of ships remaining at the Crimean bases is noted. As a result, it turns out that, having made every effort, Ukraine will only be able to restore its naval forces in the pre-crisis state. Visible modernization of the fleet is simply not capable of the country.

It is already clear that in the next few years, the Ukrainian defense industry will be forced to maintain the condition of existing ships and vessels, without being able to seriously start building new ones. The likelihood of the implementation of existing plans, including already started projects, is extremely small.

In the middle of November, it became known about the resumption of construction of the head corvette of the 58250 “Haiduk” project. This ship was laid at the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant (Nikolaev) in May 2011, but so far only 43% of works have been completed. Due to limited financial possibilities, construction was carried out with different intensity. In the summer of this year in order to save work were suspended. Now, as it turned out, construction resumed. Corvette "Vladimir the Great" was planned to pass in 2015-16, but the real surrender will occur much later.

Until the end of next year, the Kiev plant "Leninskaya smithy" should build two artillery boats of the type "Gyurza". The corresponding contract was signed in October. It is argued that the new boats can be used to solve problems on rivers and at sea. It is noteworthy that earlier it was planned to build several Gyurza boats, but the execution of this order failed for several reasons.

As we see, in the coming years Ukrainian shipbuilding will be able to build only relatively small boats. A more serious technique is not yet capable of him, primarily because of the limited capabilities and the difficult economic situation of the customer in the person of the Ministry of Defense. According to the author of the publication on the website Blackseanews.net, help from foreign countries could be a way out.

“Friends and allies” of Ukraine have on conservation a sufficiently large number of ships of various types. This is not a new, but still usable technique. Cruisers, destroyers, frigates, etc. could be the subject of an agreement like the Lend-Lease of the Second World War. Nevertheless, according to the publication, the Ukrainian leadership did not include warships in the list of equipment and weapons, which is planned to be requested from the United States.

Official Kiev has not yet commented on the information that has appeared about the upcoming transformations of the Ukrainian naval forces. Perhaps the first official message on this topic will be the publication of the relevant presidential decree, which the Navy will be transformed into a military flotilla, and the main point of basing will be Nikolaev. What exactly will be the fate of the Ukrainian Navy - time will tell. But it is already clear that the Ukrainian fleet, like other types of armed forces, is waiting for a sad future.


On the materials of the sites:
http://blackseanews.net/
http://nikvesti.com/
http://rus.newsru.ua/
http://rian.com.ua/
http://svpressa.ru/
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 25 November 2014 07: 33
    +16
    Ukrainian Navy sounds menacing smile just like a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine ..
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 25 November 2014 09: 58
      +12
      I would even say scary laughing perhaps only the Mozambique cosmoflot is worse.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 25 November 2014 10: 26
        +2
        As you can see, in the coming years, Ukrainian shipbuilding will be able to build only relatively small boats. He is not yet capable of more serious equipment, primarily because of the limited capabilities and difficult economic situation of the customer in the person of the Ministry of Defense.


        As you can see, a little later they will not be able (possibly no longer able) to build large ships due to the lack of personnel, both engineering and skilled workers! Unfortunately, the education system in Ukraine talks about embroidered shirts and digging of the Black Sea, as well as about the damned Russians (the site does not miss the classics of the genre) !!! hi
      2. The point
        The point 25 November 2014 15: 24
        +2
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        perhaps only the Mozambique cosmoflot is worse.

        sixth fleet? wassat
    2. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 25 November 2014 12: 45
      +3
      Something the future of the Ukrainian Navy is clearly losing the past.
    3. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 25 November 2014 12: 45
      +2
      Something the future of the Ukrainian Navy is clearly losing the past.
    4. 70BSN
      70BSN 25 November 2014 15: 59
      +2
      It is also formidable as the sixth fleet of amers off the coast of Belarus laughing
  2. svoi
    svoi 25 November 2014 07: 46
    +12
    Objectively from the point of view of healthy pragmatism - on horseradish goat button accordion!
    1. sub307
      sub307 25 November 2014 09: 59
      +8
      From the same point of view - what, in fact, is our business, what, what are they going to transform there (they have "filled up" their affairs, to reclaim Crimea, for example). Well, they will transform, relocate, and "lyakh" with them, neither quantitatively (in terms of the ship composition, "nor, even more so, qualitatively nothing will change. Oh, yes - except that the" level of operational subordination. "The flag is in the hands of" svidomye "!
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  3. Denis
    Denis 25 November 2014 07: 46
    +12
    Official Kiev has not yet commented on the information that has appeared about the upcoming transformations of the naval forces of Ukraine
    No matter how you comment, all one lies
    Ambiguous future of the Ukrainian Navy
    And here everything is just unequivocally-KIRDYK. For a long time d.u.r.a.k.u the glass dick pissed about the corner, and also cut his hands
    Some equipment, including eight combat boats and ships, as well as submarine "Zaporozhye"remains in the Crimea and has not yet been transferred to Ukraine due to recent events
    As a prime example, recently brought him, but it’s very significant
    To the mother’s alarming letter, crying sleepless nights about the fate of the submariner’s son, the sailor called up to serve in the Navy wrote: “Mommy, don’t worry about me. The boat is firmly welded with rails to the pier. Rails are reliable, Soviet. And the pier was still being built by Admiral Nakhimov. There are no batteries on the boat, so the power line is connected to it. Until the end of my service, she will definitely not budge. ”

    In 2005, for the 35th anniversary of the submarine, the chiefs arrived - a delegation from the Zaporozhye Regional Council. The chefs brought Khortytsa vodka with them in three-liter souvenir bottles, the officers put up three-liter jars of pickles and other unassuming snacks. Toast in honor of the valiant submarine officers and their chiefs went on an increasing scale. When there was already less than half in the last bottle, the red-faced deputy chairman of the Zaporozhye regional council got up and began to proclaim a toast-apotheosis: "Only one name! - submarine" Zaporozhye! - terrify enemies! But when else will they buy batteries ... "

    Homeric laughter did not allow him to finish his speech.
    What other questions can there be?
    long-suffering submarine at the wall
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 25 November 2014 08: 27
      +6
      For this submarine, at one time they bought batteries "over the hill", but they could not put them - connectors, dimensions, etc. As a result, they melted well and only laughing
      1. dipqrer
        dipqrer 26 November 2014 21: 58
        0
        Batteries purchased in Sweden, abandoning the Russian staff.
    2. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 25 November 2014 15: 07
      +3
      Quote: Denis
      What other questions can there be? long-suffering submarine at the wall

      The only submarine of the Ukrainian Navy “Zaporozhye” 18 July 2012 year after the end of a protracted repair began sea trials with test dives (at periscope depth). Currently, the boat is formally part of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
      1. Eggor
        Eggor 26 November 2014 18: 05
        0
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        The only submarine of the Ukrainian Navy "Zaporozhye"

        Sevastopol 30.07.14 (photo from the air base)
    3. Petrovi42202
      Petrovi42202 25 November 2014 18: 34
      0
      To be honest, I'm sorry for the submarine. Her fate is unenviable. Salostans, creatures ... am
      1. Denis
        Denis 25 November 2014 19: 00
        +2
        Quote: Petrovi42202
        To be honest, I'm sorry for the submarine.

        If only her ...
        A lot of things like the bums collapsed
        The Nitka takeoff and landing landfill (from abbreviation NITKA: Ground Test Aviation Training and Training Complex) is a scientific and training complex designed for practicing on-deck aircraft pilots to take off and land aircraft on the deck of an aircraft carrier. In Soviet times, it provided tests for aircraft and naval aviation equipment for the first heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser of the 1143.5 project, as well as training for the flight and engineering personnel of naval aviation. The complex is located at Saki airbase (Novofyodorovka village, formerly Saki-4) near the city of Saki, Crimea. Former name - NIUTKA (Scientific Testing Training Simulator of Naval Aviation). In March 2014, the Nitka carrier-based aviation complex de facto became the property of the Russian Armed Forces, the flag of the Russian Federation was hoisted over the training ground

        Ulyanovsk
        Ulyanovsk (order C-107) - Soviet heavy aircraft carrier cruiser with a nuclear power plant (ATAKR)
        In accordance with Decree No. 69-R of February 4 1992 of the year signed by the First Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine K. Masik, the construction of building structures of Takr "Ulyanovsk" began on February 5 of 1992. The cost of this work amounted to 80 percent of the work done.
        By October 29, 1992 of the year, the “zero” slipway was free - the 107 order ceased to exist.
        ATAKR "Ulyanovsk" - the unborn flagship of the Soviet Navy ...
  4. PSih2097
    PSih2097 25 November 2014 07: 51
    +2
    “Friends and Allies” of Ukraine have a fairly large number of ships of various types on conservation. This is not a new, but still serviceable technique. Cruisers, destroyers, frigates, etc. could become the subject of an agreement like Lend-Lease from the Second World War.

    To adjust the Nimitz under Lend-Lease, the Ukrainian Navy will become full-fledged for a week ... laughing
    1. Denis
      Denis 25 November 2014 08: 27
      +1
      Quote: PSih2097
      To adjust "Nimitz" under Lend-Lease, the Ukrainian Navy will become full-fledged for a week

      So it’s nuclear, but how yo ... (hit hard)?
      In South Africa, though, they are blacks, but they didn’t have enough mind to abandon nuclear weapons. Not because of their peace. Atomic ammunition must be stored and maintained
      Doesnning them with anti-aircraft missiles teach nothing?
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 25 November 2014 08: 50
      +6
      Quote: PSih2097
      To adjust the Nimitz under Lend-Lease, the Ukrainian Navy will become full-fledged for a week ...

      What about the crew? A wing? And the guard ships? The Navy will become complete only in the inflamed imagination of ukroadmiralov.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 November 2014 17: 20
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Quote: PSih2097
        To adjust the Nimitz under Lend-Lease, the Ukrainian Navy will become full-fledged for a week ...

        What about the crew? A wing? And the guard ships? The Navy will become complete only in the inflamed imagination of ukroadmiralov.

        the main thing here is FINANCING, do you know how many bucks AV type "Nimitz" eats in one day?
      2. demon1978
        demon1978 26 November 2014 11: 14
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        What about the crew? A wing? And the guard ships?

        Mustache is ready, chef !!!!! drinks
    3. Alex
      Alex 25 November 2014 16: 54
      +1
      Quote: PSih2097
      To adjust the Nimitz under Lend-Lease, the Ukrainian Navy will become full-fledged for a week ...

      Yeah, it's like giving a monkey a hand grenade ... wassat
    4. sgapich
      sgapich 25 November 2014 17: 04
      0
      I have a suspicion that not a single vessel of the "Nimitz" class will be able to pass the Bosphorus in height, perhaps I am mistaken. (There are two bridges in Istanbul, fixed)
    5. demon1978
      demon1978 26 November 2014 11: 04
      0
      Quote: PSih2097
      To adjust the Nimitz under Lend-Lease, the Ukrainian Navy will become full-fledged for a week ...

      "Nimitz" -Banderlogs ??? !!! belay request Yes, even the ANCHOR will not be trusted from him !!! yes They’ll break it in a day, or they’ll break it, or about ... well, they’ll lose in short !!!fellow Moreover, this "The only submarine of the Ukrainian Navy" Zaporozhye "" ??? !!! belay belay Does not suggest thoughts ??? !!! what
  5. silver169
    silver169 25 November 2014 07: 55
    +8
    And what is ambiguous here? The state itself, in fact, is no longer there, so what about its fleet?
  6. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 25 November 2014 08: 29
    +4
    I propose to transfer the Ukrainian Navy to Mariupol lol
    1. Drew
      Drew 25 November 2014 08: 48
      +4
      better immediately in chermet. And do not give them a fleet anymore - matches are not toys for children
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 25 November 2014 09: 17
        +2
        No, first to Mariupol. Maybe something from the fact that afloat still New Russia will serve wink
  7. sgr291158
    sgr291158 25 November 2014 09: 27
    +1
    What kind of fleet is there, it is difficult to call everything that they have left a fleet.
    1. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 25 November 2014 12: 04
      0
      Cabot squadron ... lol
  8. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 25 November 2014 09: 30
    +1
    To get from the base to the Black Sea, ships will have to go several tens of kilometers along the Southern Bug River. This location of the city did not interfere with the construction of various ships and vessels, but it could seriously complicate the full operation of warships.
    Glorious naval doctrine in Ukraine. I would even say amusing
    1. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 25 November 2014 09: 35
      +5
      The South Bug flotilla is obtained. What to do with admirals and caperans, who did not follow the Janissaries in due time?
    2. sergkar
      sergkar 25 November 2014 15: 59
      0
      Glorious naval doctrine in Ukraine. I would even say amusing


      And what? There is an experience! They will dig a new sea near Nikolaev. They will call it yellow-blakitny and will be the dominant sea power on it. Great again, the main again! laughing
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 November 2014 17: 22
        0
        Quote: sergkar
        And what? There is an experience! They will dig a new sea near Nikolaev.

        they have Cherkassk ...
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 November 2014 17: 22
        0
        Quote: sergkar
        And what? There is an experience! They will dig a new sea near Nikolaev.

        they have Cherkassk ...
  9. Artem1967
    Artem1967 25 November 2014 09: 40
    +1
    We must have one fleet, as, indeed, a country.
  10. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 25 November 2014 09: 49
    +11
    Regarding the transfer to Nikolaev. These remnants of former luxury are now called the Navy and in the best of times in Sevastopol we didn’t cause anything but healthy laughter. I especially liked the number of admirals per swimming unit. Now about the serious:
    1.In the present state of the Ukrainian Navy, the most place is on the hydrographic berth in the glorious city of Nikolaev, there, opposite the Didov Hut, they will probably be able to place their entire "fleet".
    2.About Odessa, who will allow them to occupy a literally golden mooring front, and even with the prospect of an early loss of the port and city of Mariupol.
    3. By renaming the Naval Forces of Ukraine into a flotilla, as well as subordinating it to the boots, the "great ukroflot" will be brought to a completely logical, but logical form.
    4. The number of parasites in the admiral and capraz form will drop sharply.
    To the moderators decide on the state affiliation of the Crimea, and yes I remind you that the hero of the city of Sevastopol is RUSSIA.
    1. Hell's Angel
      Hell's Angel 25 November 2014 13: 48
      +6
      Not a good one for his "iconostasis"! Probably started with Ushakov as a sailor. Then he chased the Taliban in Afghanistan at the head of the Ukrainian fleet.
  11. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 25 November 2014 09: 52
    0
    And what tasks is the Ukrainian fleet capable of fulfilling? It cannot even create the appearance of resistance, in which case it is better to write off the crews and use them as simple infantry, because there will be much more sense from them.
  12. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 November 2014 10: 12
    0
    The essence of the proposal made by the "land" generals without consulting the sailors is a fundamental transformation of the Ukrainian Navy.


    Already commanded by the Ukrop "generals", now they will take charge of the Tyulkin fleet. I will truly come.
  13. haustyn
    haustyn 25 November 2014 10: 12
    +1
    Let your submarine steppe pull up smile
  14. itr
    itr 25 November 2014 10: 51
    0
    Why do people need a fleet in which there will be no sea?
  15. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 25 November 2014 11: 17
    +1
    but it seems to me that the future of ukrovms is quite clear for ukrovms it doesn’t.
  16. Gray 43
    Gray 43 25 November 2014 11: 37
    0
    Ukrainian shipbuilding has reached an unprecedented level, they have developed stoves, "stoves", and the author writes about some kind of ships, the whole fleet will be cut into stoves, the country is big and it freezes
  17. padded jacket
    padded jacket 25 November 2014 11: 44
    0
    Yes, after the Crimea, it became clear that the Ukrainian fleet "kerdyk" smile
  18. _my opinion
    _my opinion 25 November 2014 12: 05
    +2
    In fact, the remaining seven ships and boats are simply not able to protect the Ukrainian coast from possible threats
    .
    real threats (and not mythically possible) are in Kiev ...
  19. Drednout
    Drednout 25 November 2014 12: 11
    +3
    Corvette "Vladimir the Great"! Sounds! Are you going to give to Putin?
  20. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 November 2014 12: 47
    +1
    and the control ship "Donbass"


    Something dill sucked with the name of the ship. Probably the same will fall under the chandelier sad walkie-talkie!
  21. driver
    driver 25 November 2014 13: 17
    +1
    What fleet ... The dill of the Black Sea gobies will soon catch nothing. There is no metal, competent personnel are no longer there, factories have collapsed. Let them jump on, it’s good at them.
  22. Noncombatant
    Noncombatant 25 November 2014 13: 20
    +3
    The film "72 meters". Where Krasko speaks to the out-of-order officer to take the oath to Ukraine. Clearly and succinctly: "Pubic bone".
    And one more thing: "Everyone who wants to take the Ukrainian oath is to be out of order. The rest! ... follow me."
  23. SveTok
    SveTok 25 November 2014 13: 29
    +1
    It was necessary to stay in Crimea when they offered service to the Black Sea Fleet.
  24. rus_ak_93
    rus_ak_93 25 November 2014 13: 34
    0
    free up space in Odessa for those who once wanted to do in Sevastopol after the closure of our base, the car is running, you can’t turn money back, you’ll be standing near the golden wall
  25. Prager
    Prager 25 November 2014 13: 54
    0
    soon they will begin to build submarines in the steppes of the Kherson region ...
  26. Tigerrr
    Tigerrr 25 November 2014 15: 00
    0
    A flotilla of all 3 rusty barges. Well, well, naval commanders-Ukrainians Mlyn)
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  28. The point
    The point 25 November 2014 15: 28
    +3
    Hey sailor! You have been swimming for too long.
    I can’t recognize you now!
  29. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 25 November 2014 16: 10
    +3
    The Navy of Ukraine, sounds proudly, but looks ... what kind of country is this and the fleet
  30. lankrus
    lankrus 25 November 2014 16: 30
    0
    Inaccuracy crept into the title of the article. It should sound: "The unequivocal future of the Ukrainian Navy."
  31. Hubun
    Hubun 25 November 2014 16: 32
    +2
    and what, they have experience with armored vehicles, cast-iron plates will be welded onto the longboats, and so the armada is ready. Only the piers would have enough fleet to weld
  32. alex201450
    alex201450 25 November 2014 16: 46
    +1
    I suggest the "admirals" of the "Great Dill" fleet to go to the nearest toy store and there to replenish the fleet with new units of ships, which is not there, I saw myself. And the main thing is economical for the budget and good for the fleet!
  33. tank64rus
    tank64rus 25 November 2014 18: 01
    0
    West will not give them ships. It’s like a monkey with a grenade.
  34. Stoler
    Stoler 25 November 2014 18: 14
    0
    "The Ukrainian Navy!" Even sounds funny. what laughing
  35. yurgis68
    yurgis68 25 November 2014 18: 48
    +1
    I can only say one thing: they all drank and disgraced the fleet .... am
  36. fa2998
    fa2998 25 November 2014 19: 04
    +1
    And the Ukrainians, the control ship "Donbass" must be renamed, but the Germans do not have "Danzig" and "Keniksberg". In the light of current events, many sonorous names have appeared: VISIBLE, RIGHT SECTOR, the name of the HEAVENLY HUNDRED \ or you can personally in honor of the dead "heroes" -SASHA BILYKH \ .And seriously, such a "fleet" could be managed by the captain of the 1st rank \ but such multi-star admirals- fool stop\
  37. Gagarin
    Gagarin 25 November 2014 19: 06
    0
    Submarine of Ukraine DISAPPEARED!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhPCd4rPHb4
  38. Cat
    Cat 25 November 2014 19: 58
    0
    It's sad. For all the comicality of the situation, "Ulyanovsk" is a pity to tears. Eyewitnesses said that the Ukrainians cut him up for scrap for only $ 20, and the IMF creedit.
  39. Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 25 November 2014 22: 52
    0
    They all collapsed, lost, but are still puffing, making some sort of plans to revive the fleet.
    Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness .... Manilovism
  40. IAlex
    IAlex 25 November 2014 23: 38
    +1
    In general, the article is meaningless, because there is no need for a global B * LYADINA fleet, if it trades with its independence at every historical turn for a penny to the first comer. And she can take revenge on the whole world for the fact that "they dumped the loot and threw it away", and so she can constantly infect the whole world with her venereal diseases in the form of a hochlodiaspora ...
  41. Throw
    Throw 25 November 2014 23: 53
    0
    Why write an article with such a title when the future of Ukraine itself is completely ambiguous? With the texture in the form of "Kiev and Poroshonko's intentions"?
    About nothing.
  42. 52
    52 26 November 2014 06: 03
    0
    Ukroflot? "Rzhunimagu"!
  43. moskowit
    moskowit 26 November 2014 12: 25
    0
    It's a pity one of the East Slavic peoples. Since Ukrainian historians have declared a priority in the development of the Black Sea region and the study of the Black Sea by the "ancient Ukrainians", it will not be difficult for them to revive the construction of Cossack "chuyoks" and antique galleys. Very cheap and a minimum of effort for training personnel.
  44. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 26 November 2014 20: 48
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: PSih2097
    To adjust the Nimitz under Lend-Lease, the Ukrainian Navy will become full-fledged for a week ...

    What about the crew? A wing? And the guard ships? The Navy will become complete only in the inflamed imagination of ukroadmiralov.



    They will immediately sell it to the Chinese.



    And the "Ukrainian Navy" is better in Nikolaev. If hands reach, then all ships will return to the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. And if not, then the river is easier to mine ...
    1. Mister22408
      Mister22408 27 November 2014 14: 01
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      They can only sell it to the Chinese from Kiev, but for now they’ll agree - its locals will hand over chunks of metal at night. And the exit there is through the channel of the Dnieper-Bug estuary. The bottom is silty. Around the shallows. A couple of bottom mines - the sea flotilla turns into a river .. .
  45. Mercury
    Mercury 2 December 2014 13: 59
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    The base of the Ukrainian fleet, so to speak, will be the Zaporozhye submarine.
  46. Yuri from Volgograd
    Yuri from Volgograd 6 January 2015 11: 04
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    After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine got a more than serious army, both in quantity and in quality, and it was painful for me to watch how such power was squandered. The works of generations were scattered from year to year. Now I understand that fate again acted wisely, thereby saving many lives.