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New disputes around the ban on the use of mobile communication devices (smartphones) in the Armed Forces

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Recently, the topic of using smartphones and other mobile communication devices in the conditions of military service in the Russian army has often been discussed. Questions often arose in connection with the publication of photographs related to certain episodes of service, the military of the Russian Federation Armed Forces in social networks. Such photos were often used to exacerbate the situation in the media or in the same social networks.

New disputes around the ban on the use of mobile communication devices (smartphones) in the Armed Forces


The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation explains the possibility of limiting the use of smartphones in the Russian army. At the same time, the official representative of the main military department of the Russian Federation states that the restrictions will not affect the brands of mobile devices used (and the press suggested that they would be banned from using the Apple devices), and may concern the time and place of using smartphones during military service.

Major General Konashenkov commented on information about the alleged ban on the use iPhone, which was issued in the press. Igor Konashenkov quotes Interfax:
The appearance of such information in one of the leading domestic publications may indicate a lack of technical literacy of its authors, since the capabilities of modern smartphones of foreign manufacturers, regardless of the software installed in them, are almost identical.


We are talking about the material published by the newspaper "Izvestia". The correspondent of "Izvestia" announced that he has information about the ban is iPhone. As it turned out, such information is not true - the Ministry of Defense will monitor the use of mobile devices without reference to their manufacturer, but with reference to a specific situation.
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  1. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 24 November 2014 13: 53
    +17
    Chatterbox is a godsend for the spy. Now they just have more options.
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 24 November 2014 14: 24
      +5
      not, well, how can this be, at the end of the twentieth century, our army was considered the most collapsed, but we only had time to train and sleep, and now the army is the best in the world, and more than enough time, even enough on social networks? belay request what
      1. Finches
        Finches 24 November 2014 16: 15
        +7
        Now in the army and there’s an hour, as in a kindergarten! And serve the year! And hot drive and socks, buffet ... paradise!
        Soon they are leading a post on wiping snot and performing lullabies for the night! laughing
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 24 November 2014 17: 12
      +2
      There are issues of state security that cannot be violated by military personnel, because You can pay a lot for such violations.
  2. raid14
    raid14 24 November 2014 13: 53
    +21
    Do not forget the GSM cellular standards developed in the USA, the NSA can listen to almost any phone and determine the actual location of an individual.
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    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 24 November 2014 14: 43
      +4
      Quote: raid14
      listen to almost any phone and determine the actual location of an individual.

      And track the movement of the owner of the device. And this is at the very least, intelligence.
      1. just exp
        just exp 24 November 2014 14: 48
        +1
        this can only be done from the ground, that is, radio scouts should be on our territory.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 24 November 2014 15: 07
          0
          Quote: just explo
          this can only be done from the ground

          Well, and how many people in Russia who are for the green and not only pieces of paper ready to sell? Even here on the site there are such. repeat
          1. just exp
            just exp 24 November 2014 16: 04
            0
            and they will capture base stations?
            positioning goes to them.
            in theory, you can deploy your base stations, not those big ones, but mobile ones, but this is special equipment and is not available in the nearest supermarket, and counterintelligence works just like that.
            it’s easier to recruit a soldier.
    3. Maks111
      Maks111 24 November 2014 15: 02
      0
      Do not forget the GSM cellular standards developed in the USA, the NSA can listen to almost any phone and determine the actual location of an individual.
      Of course, because now almost every GPS phone has beacons. In general, any software of foreign origin needs to be left at home. Well, or to seize and send to the parents on the RSP.
    4. ultra
      ultra 24 November 2014 15: 07
      +2
      They are not developed in the USA. They are developed under the auspices of the European Telecommunication Standardization Institute (ETSI). In the USA, an analogue of CDMA.
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 24 November 2014 15: 31
        +2
        Quote: Max111
        because now in almost every phone GPS beacons

        belay What has progress (or regression) come to ?!
        In the studio, please clearly ................
        Quote: Max111
        In general, any software of foreign origin should be left at home

        It is categorically true, and this was shown to everyone back in 2003 in the movie "Boomer".
        And real modern technologies and software allow you to do something.
        For example, "childish prank": Turn off \ switch \ change settings \ change TV channels in shops or public places. Most smart phones have this feature.

        Therefore, I strongly support the Ministry of Defense in limiting the use of telephones in the Army. Nokia "Brick" 3310 Foreva !!!!!!!
      2. raid14
        raid14 24 November 2014 16: 01
        +2
        The architecture of that system, which today is known as the cellular communication system, was described only in the Bell System technical report submitted to the US Federal Communications Commission in December 1971. From this time begins the development of proper cellular communications.
        1. Penelope
          Penelope 24 November 2014 17: 15
          0
          The military leadership needs to decide when and where to use these products, and where not, and the questions will disappear by themselves.
  3. Uncle
    Uncle 24 November 2014 13: 53
    +25
    Why does a soldier need a mobile phone at all? I've served as a telephone operator, but I called home only a couple of times due to big pull. I understand that this is the 21st century and all that, but how can a soldier endure the difficulties and hardships of military service if mommy is online? And where it is necessary to clench his teeth and hold on, the boy will cry to his mother that he has a runny nose or is offended. Mom will naturally rush to the unit to make a scandal that her son has been offended.
    In my opinion, mobile phones should not be in the army at all. Write letters, after all.
    I'll tell you a case: a friend's son left for the USA, serves in the army, and then one day they were dropped somewhere by parachute. Small landed unsuccessfully on a tree. What do you think he did first? I called my father in Moscow, "Dad, I'm hanging on a tree on slings, what should I do?" Let the Americans have fun as they want, but this should not be in ours.
    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 24 November 2014 14: 19
      +5
      Keeping in touch with relatives is not such a bad thing. But for this, the 1st (one) SIMPLE mobile phone to the branch is enough. And then to the platoon. There is no need to constantly hang on the phone for any reason. You become a man, so if you please unlearn mother's boobs. Spoiled the youth, damn it !!!
      So will they be glamorous nerds?
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 24 November 2014 14: 55
        +1
        Quote: ksv1973
        So will they be glamorous nerds?

        They are not familiar with the song to the verses of Vizbor "Mom, I want to go home", but they are happy to consistently repeat its chorus.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 November 2014 15: 12
        0
        Quote: ksv1973
        Keeping in touch with relatives is not such a bad thing. But for this, the 1st (one) SIMPLE mobile phone to the branch is enough. And then to the platoon.

        Which will be kept by the foreman and issued only honors combat and political. smile

        No, let everyone have a mobile phone. But - without a camera, WiFi, 3G, etc. (such as the unforgettable and unkillable Nokia 3310, which if anything and you can fight back laughing ) At least as an emergency communication device - so that you can whistle a fighter.
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 24 November 2014 15: 53
      +2
      Well, when my brother in the headquarters served in the heater, they had all the computers disconnected from the Internet, but each soldier had his own modem from a megaphone or a beeline and they almost always sat on the Internet using them. During the checks, of course they cleaned, and so they constantly cut into the counter or kwak, they sat in the networks, I think that in many other parts of this gouging is enough. The human factor, damn it. Well, what prevents the specialists from connecting to such a computer that is not officially connected to the Internet or just throw off the virus? Point behind the soldiers eye and eye needed.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 November 2014 16: 38
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        Well, what prevents the specialists from connecting to such a computer that is not officially connected to the Internet or just throw off the virus? Point behind the soldiers eye and eye needed.

        In security offices, in this case, they act simply: physically disable all USB ports. In the best case, they leave 1 on the room, and seal it.
        All data exchange is carried out on an internal network that does not have an exit "outside". Or - through floppy disks (they talked about this).
  4. Drunya
    Drunya 24 November 2014 13: 53
    +11
    the most "simple" phones without cameras and all problems are solved.
    and not some phones during the exercises.
    1. Drew
      Drew 24 November 2014 13: 56
      +11
      not just without cameras, but also with a wire. Then exactly the problems are solved laughing
    2. Andchevh
      Andchevh 24 November 2014 14: 07
      0
      And another GPS positioning system!
  5. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 24 November 2014 13: 59
    +15
    With all hands - FOR!
    Any smartphone that is on iOS, on Android, on Windows has a geolocation function i.e. can show where exactly it is located.
    Now let’s imagine - the secret part, the Strategic Missile Forces, for example, sits an woodpecker and plays in the telephone, takes all kinds of photos ... enjoys the service in one word. And Uncle Sam already knows what is in this forest and why. I exaggerate of course, but the field mail and a disk telephone !!!
    *****
    I was in Korea (south), at the headquarters of a famous corporation .... so there on the mobile a special camera sticker stuck security. And taped EVERYTHING, and the workers and visitors.
    1. Andchevh
      Andchevh 24 November 2014 14: 09
      0
      In such parts, the stubs work !!!!
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 24 November 2014 14: 26
        +2
        Senior Lieutenant
        Andchevh (1) SU Today, 14:09 ↑

        In such parts, the stubs work !!!!


        In such parts, phones are taken away, and given out only on Saturday and Sunday, while there is always a car with a "plate" on the roof nearby !!! A soldier can only complain about the snuffles, but not talk about the hardships and features of the service !!!
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 24 November 2014 14: 21
      +4
      You can listen to whatever you want, even the phone on the bedside table, because it is connected to the telephone network, and the microphone membrane elementarily transmits the weakest modulated signal to the network!
      Not to mention mobile phones ... a credit card, a bill with a chip - passive beacons, being in the zone of radiation of a radio signal of a certain frequency, are detected at a time ...
      All this has been used in modern armies of the world since the 60s.
    3. neri73-r
      neri73-r 24 November 2014 14: 23
      +4
      Any smartphone that is on iOS, on Android, on Windows has a geolocation function i.e. can show where exactly it is located.


      Any mobile phone, even an old brand, even a new one, can be calculated from the cell towers, and if there are three towers in the zone, then with an accuracy of a meter!
    4. ksv1973
      ksv1973 24 November 2014 14: 28
      +4
      Quote: Pharao7766 I was in Korea (south), at the headquarters of a famous corporation .... so there on the mobile with a special camera sticker stuck security. And sealed to EVERYTHING, and to workers and visitors. [/ Quote

      Yes, there South Korea !!!
      I travel, by occupation, throughout the country. At many of our enterprises, ANY phones, tablets and flash drives are handed over to the luggage room (at the checkpoints). For example, in Perm - NPO Iskra, or in Tula - KBP. Not to mention the glorious city of Votkinsk ...
      1. just exp
        just exp 24 November 2014 14: 50
        +3
        and they do it right, some just do not catch up with the fact that convenience is a medal with two sides, and the second can cause not convenience, but inconvenience, and sometimes fatal.
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 24 November 2014 15: 03
        +1
        Quote: ksv1973
        At many of our enterprises, ANY phones, tablets and flash drives are handed over to the luggage room (at the checkpoints).

        And this system has been working for a very long time. But it is reliable!
  6. Carlos
    Carlos 24 November 2014 13: 59
    +5
    The charter clearly states that a soldier must steadfastly endure the hardships and deprivations of military service. If the command decided that it is better for you to use a simple telephone without bells and whistles on the territory of a unit (military facility), in order to avoid leaking information, then there is nothing to whine. (and the exercises too), in my opinion, there should be more stringent restrictions based on the situation. Well, whoever doesn't like it, write a report to civilian life. salary from "partners", some because of the ratings.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 24 November 2014 16: 03
      0
      Quote: Carlos
      Well, whoever doesn’t like it, write a report to a citizen.

      Is it during the war ??? Well you, my friend, have bent. In addition, mothers and grandmothers do not teach charters and bend their line. Didn't pay attention?
    2. your1970
      your1970 24 November 2014 23: 02
      +1
      conscripts-report-to a citizen ????? !!! yes you just offered a smart braid from the army belay belay
  7. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 24 November 2014 13: 59
    +2
    All these mobile gadgets are modern reality. And a ban on their use in the armed forces is no longer possible. But tight regulation is necessary for all personnel, conscripts, contractors, officers and generals. Bearing combat duty, flights, guard duty ..... I think that this list can easily be supplemented. And in your free time, please call mom and grab the girl with success in defense ....
  8. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 24 November 2014 14: 00
    +3
    It all depends not on the smartphone, but on the user's head!
    The Ministry of Defense will control the use of mobile devices without reference to their manufacturer, but with reference to a specific situation.
    Although, if people are smart enough to synchronize accounts, use cloud storage, then for God's sake.
    But if you do not think about the consequences of all this, then the button pusher in your hands and no more!
    PySy: After buying an android smartphone, I unscrewed it, threw out all the Google bug, and I also had to cut the firmware.
    I don’t wear a foil hat, but I feel discomfort if the smartphone pours my data onto the NSA servers!
    Something like this...
    1. Andchevh
      Andchevh 24 November 2014 14: 12
      +2
      In Ukraine, they repeatedly worked on the signals of smartphones with artillery that ours was ours! We know for sure that the specialists all got rid of smartphones, there are still special mobile phones for the troops !!
  9. Biologically active substance
    Biologically active substance 24 November 2014 14: 11
    +4
    A conscript, in principle, needs a telephone, but it should be the simplest one, without video cameras, the Internet, etc., he himself was a platoon commander for 10 years and I know what the excessive installation of telephones leads to. To avoid any disputes on this issue, it is necessary to issue the cheapest "soap box" with a SIM card at the military registration and enlistment office. In the army, everyone must be the same, dressed the same, shod, fed and all have the same phones.
  10. Stinger
    Stinger 24 November 2014 14: 12
    +2
    Everything is fine. Apple pays - Izvestia prints. Nothing personal. And the soldiers. The entire Duma broadcasts its meetings directly to the NSA server with its tablets and smartphones. And the government does not lag behind. Ai background, he is ai background!
  11. blind
    blind 24 November 2014 14: 15
    +2
    Of course, it is necessary to control that the mobile owners themselves inform the enemy about their relocation
  12. Artyom
    Artyom 24 November 2014 14: 20
    +2
    During my service back in the days of the USSR, there was a ban on the use of a camera without permission, and personal cameras had to be stored with the authorities in a safe. True, this was constantly violated and all sorts of non-standard photographs were taken, but still there were limitations.
  13. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 24 November 2014 14: 30
    0
    There is nothing wrong with the conscript on the phone, what kind of tasks the conscript can have, for the rest, according to the situation
  14. vdtomsk
    vdtomsk 24 November 2014 14: 35
    +3
    Before, by the way, it was generally forbidden to use mobile phones. And in principle, this is correct. The question is not only in surveillance, but also in the inequality that mobile phones emphasize, thereby increasing the level of tension and that this is an element that distracts the soldier from performing military duties.
  15. abc_alex
    abc_alex 24 November 2014 14: 55
    +3
    In general, the situation is as simple as an orange. Total and business:
    1) introduce CLEAR documented rules for the use of mobile communications in the Charter and responsibility for violation and official military censorship. Well, yes, the restriction of civil rights, but I'm sorry, these people have weapons in their hands.
    2) provide draftees with regular means of communication that have the necessary set of functions and are connected to the correct operators. I think for the right to supply hundreds of thousands of cheap phones to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation annually, manufacturers will tear each other's throats. And the operators for connecting regiments and divisions will also pull each other and tear on the British flag and do everything right.

    That is, the recruiter at the duty station receives a personnel phone with the correct contract, which is personified by phone number or individual phone number. Like a service weapon. And calls from him according to certain rules. Leaving the service, the phone hands over. The manufacturer undertakes to include only the necessary in the device, and the operator provides military censorship access to traffic through the pool of numbers.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 25 November 2014 00: 46
      0
      The most specific and sensible proposal. good
  16. erased
    erased 24 November 2014 14: 59
    +2
    What a big deal! A soldier cannot tryndet at the post, while performing training and combat missions, during training. In personal time, you can talk as much as you like, but not on official topics. As before, it was with letters to home and friends. All the same. Well, no pictures with equipment and other things.
    What are the officers doing? If this is allowed?
  17. kit-kat
    kit-kat 24 November 2014 15: 44
    +1
    When he was still serving in the early 00s, it was forbidden for us to use telephones at the workplace in the regiment, only behind the fence of the object.
  18. Thompson
    Thompson 24 November 2014 15: 59
    -5
    In fact, there is nothing to inflate an elephant from a fly.
    What can the TOP and even just the SECRET soldier conscript ??????????????????????????????
    Vi technology from all angles? Photo on the background of technology, headquarters? HF number? For heaven’s sake ... oh, you plague. In the days of the USSR, our secrets used to be learned over the hill, and then here. And now in the era of corruption, corruption and gluttony, everything has long been sold out! Therefore, all this is someone’s PR
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 24 November 2014 19: 23
      0
      Deployment, redeployment of troops hi
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  19. sv68
    sv68 24 November 2014 16: 15
    +1
    I summarize, in the army conscripts must have a telephone — not a smartphone — a talker — which is kept all week by the company commander and is issued for communication only on weekends. An exception is the presence of a soldier in dismissal.
  20. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 24 November 2014 16: 56
    0
    I agree with the first comment, communication by communication, and the preservation of state secrets, which include the strength of the military unit, in the first place.
  21. gammipapa
    gammipapa 24 November 2014 22: 56
    0
    Yes, ban mobile phones in the army and all, put one payphone and let them call home for free. We served twice as long and we didn’t have any apleas, no one died.
    Less discussion is needed, today banned, tomorrow the norm. And no one will pickle. It's an army baby.
  22. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 24 November 2014 23: 23
    0
    Quote: g1v2
    Well, when my brother in the headquarters served in the heater, they had all the computers disconnected from the Internet, but each soldier had his own modem from a megaphone or a beeline and they almost always sat on the Internet using them. During the checks, of course they cleaned, and so they constantly cut into the counter or kwak, they sat in the networks, I think that in many other parts of this gouging is enough. The human factor, damn it. Well, what prevents the specialists from connecting to such a computer that is not officially connected to the Internet or just throw off the virus? Point behind the soldiers eye and eye needed.



    We barely had time to sleep ... What kind of entertainment is there ...