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The United States supports the course of Ukraine to NATO, and the Chinese Foreign Ministry speaks about the status of Crimea

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Recently, Ukraine has been actively discussing the need to join NATO, despite the fact that the number of supporters and opponents of accession is divided roughly equally. The representative of the US State Department, Jeff Ratke, said that the States supported Ukraine’s desire to speak in the North Atlantic Alliance. Jeff Ratke quotes RIA News:

Given the desire to cooperate with NATO, we reaffirm the alliance’s position: the door remains open, and countries that want to contribute to Euro-Atlantic security, we welcome their desire to join the alliance. We review each appeal. But this decision should be made by Ukraine ... It is their responsibility.


The United States supports the course of Ukraine to NATO, and the Chinese Foreign Ministry speaks about the status of Crimea


Ratke hints Ukraine that she has a number of problems that do not allow her to become a member of NATO. First of all, this is territorial uncertainty. In addition, Ukraine itself is not yet applying to join the North Atlantic military bloc.

If we talk about the territorial problems of Ukraine, the other day, the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China Gui Tsunyu first voiced the position of the PRC, according to which Beijing respects the current status of the Crimea. "Sight" quotes a representative of the Chinese Foreign Ministry:

We must be careful and thoughtful in dealing with national issues. We are opposed to any nation gaining independence through a referendum. As for the Crimea, there are some peculiarities. We know well history accessories of the Crimea.


In Ukraine, such a statement by a Chinese diplomat caused extremely negative emotions. Ukropressa called the Chinese Foreign Ministry "accomplice of separatism."
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 22 November 2014 13: 00
    +148
    The Chinese are bravo !!! Clearly outlined their position! Another good kick in the ass Americans !!!
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 22 November 2014 13: 05
      +92
      Thank you China! You are the only ones who directly and without fear expressed their position .. (unlike some of our "brothers")
      1. Момент
        Момент 22 November 2014 13: 16
        +45
        The process has begun, and this is encouraging. Obviously, China has understood that America will not stop, and this will have to be done together with other countries that are fed up with "democracy"
        1. jjj
          jjj 22 November 2014 14: 07
          +84
          We also know the history of Taiwan
          1. smern1974
            smern1974 23 November 2014 18: 29
            +6
            for them it’s our Crimea
        2. Ratmir
          Ratmir 22 November 2014 21: 47
          +28
          I worry about China ... No matter how Ukraine declares war on them. Consequently, a second front will open in Ukraine. And as they begin later, on racially correct sites, lay down the Chinese divisions of underwater paratroopers on tanks, the brave Ukrainian national guards. China does not seem enough ...
          1. smern1974
            smern1974 23 November 2014 18: 28
            +1
            forgot konobronevoi squadron))))
      2. Ural45
        Ural45 22 November 2014 14: 09
        +3
        and "partners"!
      3. Sergei-1982
        Sergei-1982 22 November 2014 14: 45
        +38
        Thank you China! You are the only ones who directly and without fear expressed their position .. (unlike some of our "brothers")
        You are hinting at Old Man Lukashenko, I agree that the muddy person is always looking for where she is warmer (one has already played enough of Yanukovych).
      4. gav6757
        gav6757 22 November 2014 23: 22
        +7
        I would like our allies to speak out - Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia ... And not only on the Ukrainian and Crimean themes, but also on Abkhazia and Ossetia.
        If we are allies, then there must be allies to the end!
        1. romandostalo
          romandostalo 24 November 2014 00: 10
          +3
          Not until the end, but in everything!
          1. Oldwiser
            Oldwiser 25 November 2014 12: 37
            0
            All of the above states stated that "de facto Crimea is now Russia," although none of them can approve of the process of redrawing borders in Europe. In Armenia, because of Karabakh, the situation is completely complicated - and it cannot be recognized (this is a war "to victory" with Azerbaijan) and it cannot be "merged" (then the "ar.tsah" -nationalists will sweep away any power in Yerevan)
      5. Rarahin
        Rarahin 23 November 2014 11: 53
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        unlike some of our "brothers"

        Yes, I agree with you. Lukashenko is such a "brother" that he doesn't need an enemy either ...
      6. GUKTU
        GUKTU 23 November 2014 15: 33
        +4
        Do not rush to rejoice. China is not so simple. I remember when I was in college, we considered the Chinese army as an army of a likely adversary, and this is at a time when relations between the Soviet Socialist Republic and China were stably peaceful
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 24 November 2014 11: 28
          0
          That's for sure. Do not put a finger in your mouth, - bite off your hand. More precisely, it will digest at the elbow, imperceptibly, and say that it was so. :)
      7. Shaitan_by
        Shaitan_by 23 November 2014 20: 21
        +8
        Ordinary Belarusians have long accepted Crimea as Russian. Old Man, as the head of state, should not think with emotions, but only with logic. As he said - that Belarus recognizes Crimea, or does not recognize, nothing will change, but sanctions will be imposed on the country. If the recognition of Belarus decided something, he would recognize right away. He already said that Crimea is de facto Russia, and over time it will become non-legal.
        Therefore, one should not be offended by the "brothers".
        Old Man also said that in case of danger, we with Russia will become back to back.
        And I think that we will be sure.
        China has been waiting the same for a long time, and so far has only voiced its position. Or did I miss official recognition?
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 25 November 2014 12: 40
          0
          Quote: Shaitan_by
          Or I missed the official recognition

          There was no official recognition. It was stated that Crimea’s belonging to Russia has historical justification and nothing more.
      8. GSH-18
        GSH-18 24 November 2014 20: 39
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Thank you China! You are the only ones who directly and without fear expressed their position .. (unlike some of our "brothers")

        THANKS CHINESE! Let's be friends! good
      9. Stanislas
        Stanislas 25 November 2014 14: 37
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        unlike some of our "brothers"
        Is it that you are so ready for the Belarusian brothers to quote for the fact that the Old Man did not do this before Gun Tsunyu? The Chinese, of course, are comrades and friends in some places, but I wouldn’t scatter as brothers right away.
    2. demon1978
      demon1978 22 November 2014 13: 07
      +19
      We must be careful and thoughtful in resolving national issues. We are opposed to any nation gaining independence through a referendum. As for the Crimea, there are some peculiarities. We well know the history of the Crimea.
      Quote: sever.56
      The Chinese are bravo !!! Clearly outlined their position! Another good kick in the ass Americans !!!


      Absolutely !!!! Excellent wording, that would politely, but intelligibly SEND !!! fellow Psaka finally freezes !!! yes Eastern wisdom, however !! drinks
      1. RESEARCHER
        RESEARCHER 22 November 2014 13: 17
        +8
        There was such a song.

        Russian with Chinese brothers forever.
        The unity of peoples and races is growing stronger.
        A simple man straightened his shoulders
        A simple man walks with a song
        Stalin and Mao are listening to you.

        Chorus:

        Moscow - Beijing.
        Moscow - Beijing.
        They go, people go forward.
        For the bright path, for lasting peace
        Under the banner of freedom.

        The Yangtze voice is heard on the Volga,
        The Chinese see the radiance of the Kremlin;
        We are not afraid of a military thunderstorm;
        The will of nations is stronger than a thunderstorm;
        Our victory is praised by the Earth.

        Chorus.

        There was no stronger bond in the world;
        In our columns jubilant May.
        It steps the Soviet Union;
        This is a mighty Soviet Union,
        New China is walking nearby!

        Chorus.

        1949
        I quote the text in translation specifically for arrogant Saxons.

        Russian and Chinese are brothers forever.
        Is growing unity of peoples and races.
        Shoulders squared simple man,
        With the song walks a simple man,
        Stalin and Mao listen to you.

        Chorus:

        Moscow - Beijing.
        Moscow - Beijing.
        Go before the people.
        For a light path for lasting peace
        Under the banner of freedom.

        Voice is heard on the Volga Yangtze
        See the radiance of the Chinese Kremlin;
        We are not afraid of military storm;
        Will of the people is stronger thunderstorms;
        Our win praise Earth.

        chorus.

        in the world there were no stronger ties;
        In our columns jubilant May.
        This sweeping the Soviet Union;
        This is the mighty Soviet Union,
        Walking near the new China!

        chorus.
        1. izGOI
          izGOI 22 November 2014 15: 36
          +24
          First they sang, then they shot at Damanskoye, now they became friends again. They became friends, but not very much. We think China, well done, they support us. And they just pursue their own interests, and at our expense too. By and large, "WITH SUCH FRIENDS AND ENEMIES DO NOT NEED". Even Napoleon said: "God forbid, if China wakes up" WAIT !!! Now we need to keep our ears open, and not sing songs of praise to China
          1. rexby63
            rexby63 22 November 2014 15: 55
            +22
            do not sing laudatory songs to China

            Are you proposing to take back Tarabarov and half of the Bolshoi Ussuriysk?

            It is necessary to keep an eye on everyone, not just China, just a confrontation "on two fronts" is not for everyone's strength, so you have to flirt.
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 22 November 2014 16: 13
            +9
            Quote: izGOI
            And they just pursue their interests,


            It is clear to everyone that everyone has their own interests, it has always been, but China and we are not going to build military-political blocs and an allied state, just at this stage in history, we are sort of with China along the way, and we'll see.
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 22 November 2014 21: 47
              +13
              Of course, the Chinese fellows - and their position

              But they are temporary allies - but by no means candidates for integration - Russia is valuable to everyone in Central Asia because it will never (hopefully) build a union state with China - I hope that such an opinion will always be in the majority in Russia - we must always understand that Eurasia is a separate civilization from China. You want integration - here we are - people who lived with you for centuries in the same states from the time of the Huns and the Golden Horde to the USSR - China is clearly not included

              Of course, let us be friends with China - while we are on the way and the common enemy of the United States - but we must build our own union — without China — uniting all the former republics of the USSR (and we should not assume that China is closer to you than Belarus and the Old Man - and we, for example, the Kyrgyz and t d too)

              In general, please understand the difference between an external ally and those with whom you really need to build a common house
              1. andrew42
                andrew42 24 November 2014 11: 32
                +1
                I support. From Manchuria - to Hungary - it has always been a single space, which Attila demonstrated at one time - they still cannot die out of history :). That's what you need to stand. And beyond China, an eye and an eye.
              2. Stanislas
                Stanislas 25 November 2014 14: 45
                +1
                + 100500!
                Quote: Talgat
                understand the difference between an external ally and those with whom you really need to build a common house
                Very good, state-expressed. It is necessary to continue to build good neighborly relations with China, and to deal with the Union as one’s own home, then there will be sense.
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          3. gladiator
            gladiator 22 November 2014 19: 45
            +2
            Not to be the right travel companion until the next stop.
          4. mervino2007
            mervino2007 22 November 2014 20: 30
            +1
            izGOI SU "Now we need to keep our ears open, and not sing praises to China."

            You need to live in today's realities. Use them. And tomorrow - keep in mind!
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        2. romaniron
          romaniron 25 November 2014 11: 05
          0
          Well, this song appeared when Mao called himself a student of the Great Leader of the Peoples I.V. Stalin. But when he hinted at the unification of China and the USSR, and about the possibility of becoming the successor to the Great Leader of the Peoples at the head of this truly gigantic state, then this song was forgotten safely .... (and thank God)
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 22 November 2014 13: 32
        +3
        Quote: demon1978
        Absolutely !!!! Excellent wording, that would politely, but intelligibly SEND !!! Psaka finally freezes !!! Eastern wisdom, however !!

        Yes people do not care, the brain is pea, read one phrase and all cheers cheers)))) Damn sorry for these or laugh I do not know winked
        And China will never be for Crimea and other disputes around the territories where nations are determined because of their problems in the form of the Uyghurs and Tibet.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 22 November 2014 14: 13
          +5
          Quote: Yeraz
          And China will never be for Crimea and other disputes around the territories where nations are determined because of their problems in the form of the Uyghurs and Tibet.


          The problem of the Uighurs will be solved sooner or later, they are populated by Xin-jiang by the Han (Chinese), gradually assimilated and do not forget to invest huge finances and develop Xin-jiang economically, but the Chinese will figure it out underground, I’m sure. Tibet is also silent, and every year the weaker the influence and incitement of Americans to Tibet, the less separatism there is, now the United States can only shake Hong Kong a little.
        2. ermolai
          ermolai 22 November 2014 14: 53
          +7
          Well, so they answered wisely enough, we are against the referendum (s), BUT Crimea is Russia! and a tanned hint, we have our own way.
    3. Denis fj
      Denis fj 22 November 2014 13: 08
      +17
      The hegemon replaces the hegemon.
      It has been so in history more than once.
      The insidious Gorgon is aiming
      Yes, it doesn’t hit the eye.
      Russia is now looking east
      Looks at Europe through a sneeze.
      And Obama is gloomy with powerlessness.
      Bolivar will not stand two.
      1. ermolai
        ermolai 22 November 2014 15: 00
        +3
        We must continue to support the sovereignty of Ukraine, facing the Russian aggression, which implies a firm commitment to sanctions, ”the Obama letter said.

        equal!
        But the topic is for those who make pictures.

        We must continue to support the sovereignty of Ukraine, face to face facing Russian aggression, which implies a strong commitment to sanctions, ”the Obama letter said.
        if I could have painted you are facing cancer face to face and behind the aggressor
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 22 November 2014 13: 12
      +5
      Finally, the Chinese have decided and well, that is in our favor. But the Ukrainian fascist leadership is sleeping and sees Ukraine in NATO, therefore, the fascists in Ukraine should be deposed as soon as possible.
      1. demon1978
        demon1978 22 November 2014 13: 24
        +5
        Quote: Thought Giant
        But the Ukrainian fascist leadership is sleeping and sees Ukraine in NATO, therefore, the fascists in Ukraine should be deposed as soon as possible.

        yes
        "Jeff Rathke stated that the States support Ukraine's desire to join the North Atlantic Alliance." - This is Banderstan's cry "Save our DUPU !!! belay We will not forget forever !!!, we will lick our feet !!!
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    6. boozer
      boozer 22 November 2014 13: 18
      +3
      Every day more and more I respect China and its people! Everything is correct - only together we can resist obscurantism from behind a hill! Only supporting each other. Otherwise, the fate of Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia ...
    7. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 22 November 2014 13: 25
      +5
      and about Novorossia they also clearly said ... Before you rejoice, read and comprehend everything.
    8. 222222
      222222 22 November 2014 13: 26
      +23
      "- Well, where we are not, - said the American ...

      - Indeed, it's good where you are not ..., - answered the citizens of Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, Ukraine ..... "
    9. Yeraz
      Yeraz 22 November 2014 13: 28
      +4
      Quote: sever.56
      The Chinese are bravo !!! Clearly outlined their position! Another good kick in the ass Americans !!!

      It is interesting in what part of the proposal you saw that they RESPECT the current status of Crimea ???
      I saw this quote.
      We are opposed to any nation gaining independence through a referendum.

      And this one, on the basis of which it also doesn’t come out, that they respect someone.
      As for the Crimea, there are some peculiarities. We well know the history of the Crimea.
      1. jjj
        jjj 22 November 2014 14: 13
        +2
        There are not enough resources for the coming war and modern NATO. First of all, human. For the most part, Europeans are not very eager to give their lives for "the interests of promoting democracy." To replenish human resources, NATO must accept new members, where the population is not yet so spoiled by the benefits of civilization. Cannon fodder is also fine.
        And as we will see that the process of recruiting in NATO will gain momentum, we can assume that the preparation of the West for war is entering the final phase
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 22 November 2014 16: 18
        +7
        Yeraz the majority of Russians still recognize Crimea as Russian in the world community or not, and in the Kremlin, I also think they "scored" the fact of proving that Crimea is ours.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 22 November 2014 21: 37
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Yeraz the majority of Russians still recognize Crimea as Russian in the world community or not, and in the Kremlin, I also think they "scored" the fact of proving that Crimea is ours.

          the layman understands the drum. Yes, the leadership on the big bill, too. The Crimea can live without the whole world.
      3. family tree
        family tree 22 November 2014 18: 28
        +7
        Quote: Yeraz
        I saw this quote.

        I also
        We are opposed to any nation (Hong Kong) gaining independence through a referendum.

        And more
        As for the Crimea (Taiwan), there are some peculiarities. We well know the history of the Crimea (Taiwan) what .
    10. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 22 November 2014 14: 12
      +31
      The Austrians are also zhzhzhzhgut ...
      at the Austria-Russia match at the Ernst Happel Stadium in Vienna, these flyers were handed out
      (taken from here http://hangmag.com/2014/11/15/rus_germ/)
      1. Ryndabul
        Ryndabul 22 November 2014 17: 35
        +4
        As I think, how many of our "Germans" have moved there for permanent residence, to their historical, so to speak, homeland, it becomes calmer at heart - their people ...
    11. sub307
      sub307 22 November 2014 14: 28
      +4
      Judging by the time interval - well thought "what to say". But, apparently, "having weighed and measured" we came to such a decision, and therefore our "stormy and prolonged applause" ... to the Chinese, of course.
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    14. siberalt
      siberalt 22 November 2014 16: 04
      +3
      Kuevskaya junta has negative emotions. That will happen if China recognizes New Russia laughing
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    16. siberalt
      siberalt 22 November 2014 16: 29
      +6
      Our friendship with China ended because of the "revisionist" Khrushchev. He became enemy number 1 for them after the XX Congress of the CPSU. They know exactly who gave Crimea to Ukraine.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 22 November 2014 17: 06
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Our friendship with China ended because of the "revisionist" Khrushchev


        And with whom is it to be friends in the 60s in China with scumbag huyvenbins?
        1. Oldwiser
          Oldwiser 25 November 2014 12: 48
          0
          Quote: RUSS
          with huyvenbinami scumbags?

          How are they fundamentally different from our "Chonovskaya Komsa" of the era of dispossession?
          It's just that Mao skillfully directed the "protest of the young" against his political opponents - the "old partocrats", also blaming them for the failure of the "Great Leap Forward" policy.
    17. Suhow
      Suhow 22 November 2014 22: 07
      +1
      The Chinese lied to our press, given that they (Ukraine) took the money from the grandmother.
    18. timurpl
      timurpl 22 November 2014 23: 41
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      Clearly outlined their position!

      And in my opinion, the most veiled-oriental!
    19. vodolaz
      vodolaz 23 November 2014 01: 24
      0
      Well done Chinese, they explain their position with typical Eastern delicacy. Well, the reaction of dill is quite clear, now there will be Chinese.
    20. Danik_Rok
      Danik_Rok 23 November 2014 11: 54
      0
      The Chinese are bravo !!! Again, nothing actually said ^ _ ^

      PS And they won’t say it, and they’re not worth hoping for.
    21. kimanas
      kimanas 24 November 2014 12: 34
      0
      Is that after Hong pecked your ass? Previously, they could not protest!
    22. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 November 2014 20: 37
      0
      Quote: sever.56
      The Chinese are bravo !!! Clearly outlined their position! Another good kick in the ass Americans !!!

      And dillies! fat dropped, heroes fat! Give them fat already, let them shut up! am
    23. Kubik
      Kubik 25 November 2014 09: 21
      +1
      Well done Chinese !!!
  2. saag
    saag 22 November 2014 13: 01
    +4
    "... The US government has decided to increase financial assistance to Ukraine. According to the White House, in addition to the $ 1 billion loan, Washington will allocate 320 million to Kiev." http://lenta.ru/news/2014/11/22/money/

    Money for the war
    1. Sergei-1982
      Sergei-1982 22 November 2014 14: 49
      +2
      Thank you China! You are the only ones who directly and without fear expressed their position .. (unlike some of our "brothers")
      Yeetsenyuhu with a parachute on the yacht, but seriously, what kind of ridiculous help do we have with Abromovich, the yacht costs 700 mil. Green and then for the whole country.
  3. My address
    My address 22 November 2014 13: 01
    +9
    It's like a hostess, before cooking chicken soup, she gently says: "Chick-chick-chick!" And silly fool Khokhlushka clucking at smart neighbors.
  4. _my opinion
    _my opinion 22 November 2014 13: 01
    +6
    ... we consider every appeal. But this decision must be made by Ukraine ... It is their responsibility ....

    Hey, Jeff Rathke, it’s good to lie ... Ucropia has not been deciding anything for many months now and is acting exclusively at your command.
    1. Genur
      Genur 22 November 2014 13: 09
      +3
      And what is OBAMA? ... Spit in the eyes - God's dew.
      They said: "Lumin ...", Petya replied: "Yes."
  5. sever.56
    sever.56 22 November 2014 13: 04
    +4
    Maybe someday, Ukraine will join NATO. but, only when the territory of Ukraine will be limited by the current borders of the Lviv region!
  6. Name
    Name 22 November 2014 13: 04
    +7
    Not to the Chinese and GDP on LSI, there was no beginning without Crimea. The Chinese are very careful and now they are on the side of the WINNERS. hi
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 24 November 2014 20: 45
      0
      Quote: name
      Not the Chinese, but the GDP- on the LSI, without Crimea there was no beginning. The Chinese are very careful and now they are on the side of the WINNERS. hi

      This is not the case. They have already tied up with us on the topic of oil and gas. Yes, and the Americans tore them up with Taiwan. Now we have (and was generally even before that) a strong Asian ally. Everyone who is against us, means against China! You will see! Watch your hand move smile
  7. Petr1
    Petr1 22 November 2014 13: 06
    +7
    The Chinese, as always, are cunning, and so far, thank God our interests coincide ....
    1. Private27
      Private27 22 November 2014 13: 17
      +4
      China is always on its own. Now we are against a measures, because it is profitable. Asians they are still those ...
    2. Penelope
      Penelope 22 November 2014 13: 19
      +1
      The Ukrainian fascists declared Russia as enemy No. 1, the Americans too, so the road to Ukraine in NATO is open.
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  8. Gray 43
    Gray 43 22 November 2014 13: 07
    +3
    China, it seems, has decided who it is along the way, and about the staff dough, all loans must be given, and people will not see them, they will be cut
  9. gamer
    gamer 22 November 2014 13: 09
    +2
    oh Chinese are Chinese!
  10. sv68
    sv68 22 November 2014 13: 09
    0
    this vrotka on a little frog face hari is very similar, see her sister or husband wassat
  11. Iline
    Iline 22 November 2014 13: 14
    +6
    One must understand the Chinese correctly. China is inhabited not only by the Chinese. Xinjiang - Uyghur Autonomous Region stands like a bone in their throats and in every possible way supporting all kinds of referenda, they can run into problems already on their territory. And therefore, such a streamlined formulation of the independence of the Crimea.
    But the hysteria of dill in this regard is already from the field of psychiatrist’s diagnoses. Such a concept as historical justice does not exist for them.
    1. jjj
      jjj 22 November 2014 14: 14
      +1
      Well, they didn’t refuse Hong Kong
  12. Wiruz
    Wiruz 22 November 2014 13: 14
    +2
    Where did comrade Psaki go? belay
    1. saag
      saag 22 November 2014 13: 54
      +7
      Quote: Wiruz
      Where did comrade Psaki go?

      Comrade Psaki failed, when transferring money abroad in the field "purpose of payment" indicated "party contributions", chicken ...
    2. demon1978
      demon1978 22 November 2014 14: 09
      +3
      Wifi lost !!!! ?? yes belay Trumpet business !!! laughing
    3. Lukich
      Lukich 22 November 2014 14: 15
      +8
      Quote: Wiruz
      Where did comrade Psaki go?

      cannot leave the office
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 22 November 2014 14: 34
        +4
        Quote: Lukich
        Quote: Wiruz
        Where did comrade Psaki go?

        cannot leave the office


        I’m saying that he’s studying the map of Russia that Valuev gave it to her, Psaki can’t find the Rostov Mountains and the sea washed by Belarus there. wassat
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 22 November 2014 14: 32
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      Where did comrade Psaki go? belay


      He is studying a map of Russia donated to her by State Duma deputy Valuev laughing
  13. NDR-791
    NDR-791 22 November 2014 13: 15
    +3
    Ukropressa called the Chinese Foreign Ministry "an accomplice of separatism."
    Are these Chinese accomplices of separatism? !! Five thousand years, with fire and sword, by hook or by crook, they made the country from a patchwork quilt, and one day the great all-knowing Svidomites explained to the Chinese - who are they? True, the dog barks, the caravan moves on. Brave pugs yelp from under a striped wing. And what are they afraid of - a striped guy, if anything rations and armor will throw, if someone is lucky, then buns. In one "great" Caucasian country, they also thought so, and then the timid ones fled ...
    1. demon1978
      demon1978 22 November 2014 14: 17
      +1
      Quote: NDR-791
      Ukropressa called the Chinese Foreign Ministry "an accomplice of separatism."

      And what SANCTIONS have not yet introduced ??? !!!! fellow Mattresses would be VERY SILINO rejoiced !!!! crying And the rest of the "RIDE" pretty much would have to !!! fellow
  14. pahom54
    pahom54 22 November 2014 13: 15
    +7
    "Given the desire to interact with NATO, we reaffirm the position of the alliance: the door remains open and countries that want to contribute to Euro-Atlantic security, we welcome their desire to join the alliance.

    One wants to hammer this door tightly ... along with its owner ... with boots ...
  15. sever.56
    sever.56 22 November 2014 13: 15
    +10
    "-Ukraine is now in chocolate!
    -It is - if you do not come closer, and do not sniff! "
  16. Russ cue
    Russ cue 22 November 2014 13: 22
    +3
    The Chinese consider a lot of territories belonging to them ... We are against the referendum, but if ours ... we are without a referendum ...
  17. dorward
    dorward 22 November 2014 13: 23
    +9
    I have recently had a strong feeling that the world is rolling into the abyss.
    We have to fight within ourselves with this sensation and the feeling that we may not have time to group before a strike. I would like to be in time, but events are developing much faster than half a century ago.
    These are the inner feelings.
    Talking about Ukraine and NATO, even just talking in the media, is also a way of influencing. Soft nudge of the Russian leadership to the efforts associated with the POSSIBLE development of the situation. The situation is only "possible" and the resources to resolve this issue need to be spent quite real, and now.
    As for the Chinese, so far I would be wary of their statements. The Chinese understand what the recent situation in Hong Kong is like. The Chinese, after all, are realists and will always maneuver in favor of their interests and nothing more. Of course, we must not forget about it.
  18. silver169
    silver169 22 November 2014 13: 25
    +5
    Well done Chinese! Russia now really needs any support!
  19. Pro100Igor
    Pro100Igor 22 November 2014 13: 25
    +4
    Of course they support. Free bases and cheap labor!
    1. demon1978
      demon1978 22 November 2014 13: 55
      +4
      Quote: Pro100
      Of course they support. Free bases and cheap labor!


      ??? Do not reveal ???? request
  20. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 November 2014 13: 28
    +10
    We are opposed to any nation gaining independence through a referendum.

    In other words, China versus Ukraine, which gained independence precisely through a referendum laughing
    And Crimea ... This is a separate case laughing
    In general, the Chinese slammed Svidomo such a plop, after which you must either shoot or challenge to a duel
  21. Andrea
    Andrea 22 November 2014 13: 32
    +1
    China, as always, is cunning. We do not recognize the referendum, but we respect the historical rights of Russia.
    It creates a precedent, or what? You never know who can make historical claims, and the right of nations to self-determination is not "down", the willing is full.
    Well, okay, that’s fine too.
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 22 November 2014 13: 38
      +3
      China would have spoken out and hardened had it not had its troubled Hong Kong, Tibet and the north-west separatist regions ........ therefore such a tone!
    2. zzz
      zzz 22 November 2014 14: 47
      +2
      Quote: Andrea
      China, as always, is cunning. We do not recognize the referendum, but we respect the historical rights of Russia.
      It creates a precedent, or what? You never know who can make historical claims, and the right of nations to self-determination is not "down", the willing is full.
      Well, okay, that’s fine too.


      Of course it will do! Even as it will fit! They said everything correctly! Our Crimea, Russia is unequivocal, but we do not support separatism, because we need ALL Ukraine, and with the help of New Russia we are going to return it. Unless separatism will begin in Galicia. So we will not be to blame for this!
  22. Prussian
    Prussian 22 November 2014 13: 41
    +1
    Thank God we are with the Chinese along the way, otherwise it would be hard. They certainly solve their problems and the first one is Taiwan, they are already projecting a solution to the Crimean problem on Taiwan. But they will not make any sharp movements in our favor, as well And we.
  23. askort154
    askort154 22 November 2014 13: 41
    +3
    I believe that the Americans will go to the bank, quickly accepting Ukraine into NATO. Baden did not fly in vain. A rad is formed, and
    Now it has to vote for Ukraine’s joining NATO, and the United States, of course, will accept their wishes. All previous reservations, such as a referendum or civil war, will be left out. America now needs to: either draw Russia into the war, or deploy its bases in Ukraine. It seems that there is no return point, they have already outlined.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 22 November 2014 13: 54
      0
      Quote: askort154
      I believe that the Americans will go to the bank, quickly accepting Ukraine into NATO. Baden didn’t fly in vain. A rad is formed,

      Do not have time ...!
    2. Sergei-1982
      Sergei-1982 22 November 2014 14: 51
      +3
      I believe that the Americans will go to the bank, quickly accepting Ukraine into NATO
      I don’t think they could not accept Georgia after 2008, but you won’t find yourself with Ukraine and all the bosses.
    3. SAN31
      SAN31 22 November 2014 15: 24
      +2
      If so, then international law can be stuffed into Obama’s ass, and then you can declare to the Russian State the denunciation of all previously concluded treaties and then declare the existence of the USSR and EXTERNAL aggression against the Soviet State with the full restoration of the territory of the USSR and the reconstruction of the Warsaw Treaty !!! And there Wow.
      1. mch1950
        mch1950 22 November 2014 20: 43
        0
        The Warsaw Treaty is not necessary, just annex the territories that came under the control of the USSR.
  24. Prussian
    Prussian 22 November 2014 13: 54
    +2
    It is necessary to warm the Americans in the Asia-Pacific, this area is no less important for them than the North Atlantic, and in the future it pushes it far away.
  25. xavbek7
    xavbek7 22 November 2014 13: 55
    +3
    I propose to give the United States to China! There are many places, enough for the Chinese for a long time!)))
  26. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 22 November 2014 13: 58
    +1
    Quote: Iline
    .
    But the hysteria of dill in this regard is already from the field of diagnoses .... Such a concept as historical justice does not exist for them.

    So dill themselves - historical injustice, a mistake. What conscience of dill you are talking about. Dill and conscience - something fantastic.
  27. Villas
    Villas 22 November 2014 13: 59
    +11
    Gritsko! - Shaw? - Wake up - Merc with Novorossiysk numbers! - What are you doing ?! Oh, really. Climb themselves, quilted jackets. Is everything ready for a warm meeting? Are all special equipment on alert? - Gee! Sure! - Good. At the expense of three, we are working. We work clearly and hard. One ... two ... three ... Let's go! ……… -Hello! Washing, polishing! Glasses, wipe the headlights? Girls are inexpensive. Mineral, pies. So that expensive pans do not get bored - for a fee, ethnic races with ditties. Thank you, thank you, God bless you! Come again! Glory to Russia! ……… - Well, Shaw, Gritsko, how much? - Fine. Especially well cut down at the races, quilted jackets like to watch. And do not relax! In an hour there will be a tourist bus with yachts, if they like it, we’ll buy a new potbelly stove in our squad. Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!
    1. ty60
      ty60 22 November 2014 14: 47
      +2
      from the bottom of my heart, Villor. Thank you!
  28. DMB-75
    DMB-75 22 November 2014 14: 02
    +18
    ... STOP Fascism! ...
    1. jjj
      jjj 22 November 2014 14: 16
      +1
      But is the character on the right still in business?
  29. shelva
    shelva 22 November 2014 14: 06
    +1
    China is seriously opposed to the Americans - strengthening the fleet, strengthening its positions in the waters of the Pacific and Indian oceans. They are now clear allies of Russia, and therefore their position on the Crimean issue is adequate. Maybe in the future, mutual settlements in rubles and yuan will contribute to the "immersion" of the green paper, and this will already be a tangible blow to the presumptuous Americans.
    1. ty60
      ty60 22 November 2014 14: 50
      0
      That’s why it’s all started. The Fed needs to deprive backups of both oil and gas pipes.
  30. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 22 November 2014 14: 07
    +1
    the people! and who understood WHAT the Chinese representative said? which means
    We must be careful and thoughtful in resolving national issues. We are opposed to any nation gaining independence through a referendum. As for the Crimea, there are some peculiarities. We well know the history of the Crimea.
    on the basis of which they came to the conclusion that China supports the Russian status of Crimea?
    1. demon1978
      demon1978 22 November 2014 14: 50
      +3
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      on the basis of which they came to the conclusion that China supports the Russian status of Crimea?


      Then the text would look like this: "We must be careful and thoughtful about the solution of national issues. We are opposed to any nation gaining independence through a referendum. THIS CONCERNS Crimea."

      They shouted openly, saying that they held a referendum, so they got independence, and then they entered where they wanted (Russia), China couldn’t do it, this would aggravate internal problems. But they recognize the Crimea as part of Russia, though without any fuss yes

      The following statement belongs to Zhou Li, deputy head of the CPC Central Committee Department for International Relations. “Russia and China face various challenges. But I can confidently say that in the near future we will face even more challenges. We must fight together, protecting the interests of our countries. The main thing is not to give a wedge between our countries, which the Americans would very much like to see, ”he said at a meeting with Russian journalists.
      http://politobzor.net/show-36983-kitay-vpervye-otkryto-vystupil-v-podderzhku-ros
      siyskogo-kryma.html

      Many people who don’t quite trust China are certainly right !!! There is no eternal friendship (especially on a historical scale) There are coinciding interests. At this stage, our interests (deterrence of the USA and NATO) coincide, but our ears should be kept on top and our eyes should be rolled out! !! wassat
  31. attuda
    attuda 22 November 2014 14: 14
    +16
    All is not enough for Ukraine ...
    They want to go even deeper than possible ...
  32. Cristall
    Cristall 22 November 2014 14: 16
    0
    Quote: wasjasibirjac
    the people! and who understood WHAT the Chinese representative said? which means
    We must be careful and thoughtful in resolving national issues. We are opposed to any nation gaining independence through a referendum. As for the Crimea, there are some peculiarities. We well know the history of the Crimea.
    on the basis of which they came to the conclusion that China supports the Russian status of Crimea?

    already about to write the same comment.
    China, on the contrary, protests against such decisions. Yes, they hint at the "complexity" of the situation. But at the same time they are against such "referendums".
    Why should Ukrainians vote? In addition, I did not hear about the "hysteria of the Ukrainian media" and even more so to call the Chinese Foreign Ministry. China is here on the side of Ukraine. Could it be misinterpreted?
    The article is aimed at showing China as saying for us, although he says evasively, but specifically he is against.
    As for the application to NATO. Considering that the opinions of the people are often positive towards NATO, then everything is already possible. Another thing is that no one does anything. Only in cases of deterioration with the Russian Federation will they become more active by receiving a blank check. Here the issue is already being resolved in Washington than in Kiev. The main thing that Washington and Moscow have achieved is that the people of Ukraine will not mind (as it was under Yushche)
  33. Federal
    Federal 22 November 2014 14: 22
    +1
    Shrevemerliki just to enter somewhere even in the mud, at least in g.ov.n.o.
  34. Macedonian
    Macedonian 22 November 2014 14: 29
    +3
    I think Ukraine will not be allowed to join NATO. If such steps are actually taken on her part, the DPR and LPR will launch an offensive against Kiev, officially declaring (although this actually happens) that the Minsk agreements have been violated. More serious hostilities will begin, for everything will be finally at stake. Again, judging by the official uncompromising statements of the politicians of the USA and Ukraine, then everything goes to this war.

    I was surprised by the statement of the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the PRC on the status of Crimea. It is very pleasing, but so far this is not a solid statement by official Beijing. At least to see who said this statement, the representative of the Foreign Ministry, and not the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, for example, or the head of state. But in any case, this is support for Russia's foreign policy.
  35. RusDV
    RusDV 22 November 2014 14: 39
    0
    Until the dill stop jumping, Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, etc. will fall off alternately. .... Doesn't it reach them either ...? No mattress mats and eesovtsy will help .... Stop jumping like someone bitten somewhere ... give someone Galicia and go to the third (?) Maidan .... we do not promise cookies, but we will give you the opportunity to "redeem" ... ...
  36. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 22 November 2014 14: 44
    0
    In Ukraine, such a statement by a Chinese diplomat caused extremely negative emotions. Ukropressa called the Chinese Foreign Ministry "accomplice of separatism."

    Well, kaklam against China is like writing against the wind will still be wet and the Americans will not help! And the fact that China has actually recognized Crimea as Russian is not a trifle in your pockets to poke!
  37. Des10
    Des10 22 November 2014 15: 19
    +1
    "As for Crimea, it has its own peculiarities. We know well the history of Crimea's belonging."
    And they praised themselves, and clearly defined the position, and culturally spat on those who disagree! smile
  38. Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 22 November 2014 15: 20
    0
    Short terminology course:
    Dill - the former Ukraine, an example of how not to live.
    Dill is a resident of Dill, partly without the brain, but with hypertrophied gray matter in the region of the gluteal muscles, an allegedly thinking creature whose ancestor is Dill.
    Dill - the legendary ancestor of Dill, who dug the Black Sea with bone shovels.
    Pravosek (dill) is an imbicil with an overly developed right hand and left foot.
  39. Black
    Black 22 November 2014 16: 03
    +1
    China will never recognize an outright referendum. For they themselves have a problem in the north. No precedent needed. But thanks for the "florid".
  40. Havoc
    Havoc 22 November 2014 16: 12
    +2
    An old Chinese parable, dating back to the times of the USSR, two tigers fight in the valley, the USSR and the USA, the third, the PRC, lies on a hill and only waits for time to attack the wounded winner. As we see the installation has not changed. Yes, and China itself has disputed territories, Tibet, Taiwan.
  41. Wanderer H7
    Wanderer H7 22 November 2014 16: 19
    +1
    Oh, let's not flatter ourselves! Rathke is hinting not that dill cannot enter NATO yet (yes, it cannot yet. As long as it is uncertain with the Donbas), but that as soon as it is determined, they will take it. There is also a possibility of voting in the glad that Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea are not Ukraine. Separate. They admit they lost them. And after all, dill immediately becomes quite complete for itself. And they will immediately apply to NATO. And they will easily be accepted there and it will be a terrible blow for Russia. And about China and the Crimea, where did the stormy joy come from? China is too delicate and uncertain. Look - about the "power of Siberia", too, Gazprom at first announced about the advance payment of Chinas construction in the amount of 25 billion - they didn't give it! And the prices have bargained to the minimum, in all cases Gazprom comes out somehow to 0 in terms of profit. China is on guard of its own and only its own interests. And he will never directly recognize reunification with Crimea, do not even hope. I don’t understand at all stormy joys for the slightest reason and even without it ...
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 24 November 2014 11: 44
      0
      "And they will easily be accepted there and it will be a terrible blow for Russia." - yes, there will be a blow. But, if they took it together with Crimea and Donbass, it would be a knockdown, and not just a blow. Even in the post of admission to the EU and NATO, no one will prevent Russia from stirring up the people in the newly adopted "EU republic", and the Europeans are well aware of this. Amers do not care, but Europe does not.
  42. gozmos
    gozmos 22 November 2014 16: 54
    0
    We need to be friends with the Chinese, in addition to acquiring weapons and equipment from us, China also has a strong state, to which the world community listens and is afraid of the Americans and their henchmen)))
  43. gozmos
    gozmos 22 November 2014 16: 57
    +1


    they considered China to be poorly armed
    1. saag
      saag 22 November 2014 19: 48
      0
      It seems that these girls are all as one now grab their pistols and shoot themselves :-)
  44. Denis
    Denis 22 November 2014 17: 17
    0
    In Ukraine, such a statement by a Chinese diplomat caused extremely negative emotions. Ukropressa called the Chinese Foreign Ministry "an accomplice of separatism"
    And from this, he frustrated the edge and fell into deep anguish
  45. Artybyrd
    Artybyrd 22 November 2014 17: 28
    0
    Thank you for formulating my thought so accurately hi Totally agree
    Quote: Iline
    One must understand the Chinese correctly. China is inhabited not only by the Chinese. Xinjiang - Uyghur Autonomous Region stands like a bone in their throats and in every possible way supporting all kinds of referenda, they can run into problems already on their territory. And therefore, such a streamlined formulation of the independence of the Crimea.
    But the hysteria of dill in this regard is already from the field of psychiatrist’s diagnoses. Such a concept as historical justice does not exist for them.
  46. Alexander
    Alexander 22 November 2014 18: 08
    0
    The cunning Chinese have finally openly expressed Russia's support for the Crimea. No wonder Putin means so crucifies them. Enlisting the support of China was simply necessary. Only when China begins to resolve the issue with Taiwan will Russia have to return the favor.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 22 November 2014 20: 42
      +3
      Quote: alexandr
      Only when China begins to resolve the issue with Taiwan will Russia have to return the favor.

      It’s time, one American litter will be less
  47. Macedonian
    Macedonian 22 November 2014 18: 17
    +5
    Why are we so happy with the words of the representative of the Chinese Foreign Ministry? Everything is very simple. Because we know that the truth is behind us (hence the strength, as they said in a good film). But the rest of the world does not care about this truth and justice in relation to the Crimeans, do not care about their desire and expression of will. I hope everyone understands the reasons for such a disregard. And what do we get? Russia with truth and power is one against the whole (well, relatively) world. But this is still difficult, agree. Some countries either condemn or abstain. There are few real allies who openly recognized the truth and justice of Crimea and Russia, their joint desire to be together, in the same family.

    If you translate to the household level, then imagine that you live in a multi-quarter house (well, let it be 100 square meters) and everyone condemns you, spread rot for example, because you remove the landing from the garbage that accumulates through the fault of one apartment. They will tell you that they don’t do this, you only contribute to those who litter, they’ll need to evict them, and we’ll make a warehouse for the house manager in their apartment, they don’t help them, and so on. But the truth is up to you and you continue to stand your ground, and you are being criticized more and more, they are crushing you with a whole mass of dissatisfied people. Heavy? Heavy. But when at least one apartment says that it is your business, that you want to do good, it will become much easier for you, since psychologically you will receive support for your truth and your actions.
    (In no way comparing in this example "bad" apartment with Crimea, the main thing in the example is the essence of the rest to your actions).

    So here. China’s statement has at least some kind of moral support, albeit not from a pure heart, but it has fulfilled its positive effect for us in any case. It's good. But we still should not deceive ourselves and stoically relate to the truth, justice and the wishes of the Crimea and Russia from the encroachments of third parties. And to understand what responsibility they took when they embraced all Crimeans, to bear this responsibility to the Crimea!
  48. samoletil18
    samoletil18 22 November 2014 18: 41
    +1
    Ukropressa called the Chinese Foreign Ministry "an accomplice of separatism."
    Here you go! fool In passing, they rarely look beyond the borders of Ukraine
  49. pvv113
    pvv113 22 November 2014 18: 43
    +2
    As for the Crimea, there are some peculiarities. We well know the history of the Crimea.

    The Chinese, without accepted oriental ceremonies, have spoken the truth. My applause !!!
  50. Evgeniy31
    Evgeniy31 22 November 2014 19: 04
    0
    Ukropressa called the Chinese Foreign Ministry "an accomplice of separatism."


    Well, in words all the heroes ...