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"With the formula proposed by the" cathedrals ", the country will collapse"

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The meeting of the 18-th World Russian National Cathedral took place on November 11 in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior. This year the forum was held under the theme “Unity stories, the unity of the people, the unity of Russia ". The Cathedral was headed by Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia.

The participants adopted the Declaration of Russian Identity, offering their own interpretation: “Russian is a person who considers himself Russian; no other ethnic preferences; speaking and thinking in Russian; recognizing Orthodox Christianity as the basis of national spiritual culture; feeling solidarity with the fate of the Russian people. "

The declaration, like the theme of “Russianness” itself, the search for national identity as a whole, caused an ambiguous reaction in society and the expert community. We asked several people of different views, nationalities and religions to comment on the outcome of the cathedral.

Yevgeny Satanovsky, President of the Institute of the Middle East.

- Give an assessment of the interpretation of "Russian" in the Declaration. Do you think that it is true or partially true?

- This characteristic fully reflects the vision of the organizers of the Great Russian Cathedral and says that, according to their strength and abilities, they are not promoting ideas that unite Russians, Russified, descendants of mixed marriages or residents of Russia (the narrower concept is Russian citizens or patriots of Russia), but try to squeeze the notion of “Russianness” into a kind of Procrustean bed, corresponding to their personal and group vision. That is, to build some kind of fence around themselves, loved ones, hang a sign “Russians” on it, and everyone from this concept, from their point of view, does not fit, or put it in the position of untermensch (if you really think that Russians in the country are ), or drive for Mozhay.

That is, we have a demonstration of intentions to privatize the country for a specific group of individuals. In full accordance with the formula of the poet about the “new herd with a new Lenin at the ready” approaching him. The demonstration is sincere and open - thanks for that. It is quite possible that all this is not the result of malicious intent through the collapse of the country, which the above described nonsense can only end with, or its savagery and complete degradation - but honest, although dull and openly illiterate belief in what has been said, it is quite forgivable to a person who is not he is obliged to think about the country and the state, he thinks about how he and those who are sympathetic to him, snatch more and become the main thing, and those who are unsympathetic show the goat.

In the end, over the past hundred years, the country has twice disintegrated due to similar dunduks. For the first time there were sobornost, nationality and spirituality (in practice, rather, spirituality - a kind of mixture of incense with onuchami with some admixture of kvass, tar and vodka), as well as Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality. It ended badly: the Russian Empire was in a brute with a bloody civil war, and no hunters rescued it - and they did not. For the second time, the party bosses from ideology, a considerable part of which is still alive and, judging by Alexander Andreyevich Prokhanov, he is feeling quite well, with all his frantic activities to strengthen the foundations of a socialist fatherland and fight against foreigners, alien influence, jazz, rock, and the Jewish Masonic conspiracy the collapse of the USSR as skillfully as any CIA could have done in a hundred years. Well, God loves a trinity ...

Although it is a shame for the third time in a century to lose a good country and not so good as a country, but still it’s not at all such a bad state because of the infringement of the testicles of idiots who are not capable of anything worthwhile except for the above described insanity. But the loss of the country in the event of the implementation of the proposed scenario is inevitable - and the US State Department, which, together with the CIA and President Obama, is seriously engaged in Russia at the present time, must do everything possible so that the aforementioned council will achieve its goal. Since no “swamp” or other opposition can create as many offended, insulted, open and hidden opponents of the government and the state (which is not the same thing) as the proposed formula.

Incidentally, a Russian atheist or agnostic, a Russian Old Believer, a Russian Catholic or a Buddhist (and even if you forget about atheists and agnostics, of whom there are more in the country than the Orthodox, supporters of the Russian Orthodox Church — and some - where at times) is not Russian? As to “those who have no other ethnic preferences” ... The authors of the concept do not know that Russians marry and marry not only Russians? And if you dig them yourself, you can dig up a lot of interesting things for future checks on the purity of the race? Hitler, too, I remember, many did not want to be Jews, Gypsies or Czechs - but there was nowhere to go, and everyone went to where they went.

So, it is not necessary to force people to choose between a Tatar or Estonian grandfather, a Polish or Jewish grandmother, a Ukrainian or Chuvash aunt, and an Armenian or Uzbek uncle. You have to be a big bastard in order not to understand this. And even more to understand, but to insist on the blue eye on the proposed formula. Especially since the annoying use of Orthodoxy as the indispensable quality of the Russian people is not just not consistent with historical reality (unless, of course, we are not talking about its design for the task of the current "effective managers" from culture, science and education, in rank to ministers inclusive, - that is, about falsification), but it suggests that the ROC is dealing with a flock even worse than sociologists assume, who say that true believers (and especially those who observe) in its ranks are people identifying themselves with the Russian, - two to three percent of the population, and in the capitals of four to five percent. This is less than that of the Muslims (but not catastrophically - there are also main personnel not from Russia, but from among the Central Asian guest workers), although more than among the Jews, this is quite a standard situation.

At the same time, the options “Russian is a person who considers himself Russian”, “speaking and thinking in Russian” and “feeling solidarity with the fate of the Russian people” contained in the proposed formula for the public are constructive postulates with which one can only agree. They strengthen the country, unite the population, do not offend anyone and do not impose an idiotic choice, invented by idiots for idiots. And the author completely agrees with them. Because it is only on such a basis that a nation arises from a tribe, and from a nation a nation that is able to build such a country as the Russian Empire, the USSR and Russia. Everything else leads to degradation — and fast and inevitable. The Serbs under Milosevic were pecked at this sort of crap - what was left of Yugoslavia? And at what price was it divided? Or do “cathedrals” believe that if successful, they will keep Yakutia? The Volga region? Far East and Siberia? Ural and the North Caucasus? Not to mention the capitals. Well, maybe they are somewhere in the damn kulichka they, under their Orthodox-tribal and otkryzhat. Whether here only will be glad to such result?

So partly the formula is correct. Only eat her offer entirely. Such a strange brew: rich soup with a pair of fly in the ointment. And you will not carp: borscht more. And intentions, we repeat, good. There are no brains in their heads - solid bone. There is no knowledge about how the world works. About the country and do not talk. Impenetrable aplomb and the desire to draw a blanket (or a robe with an army and zipun) on themselves and go to the rulers of thoughts and big bosses. Forgive, Lord, these foolish ones and make them understand for their own children - even with a powerful admonition, even with thunder and lightning, even though it is necessary on the forehead - firmer.

- So after all, in your opinion, Russian is who?

- From a civilizational point of view, it is the same thing as a Roman (ancient), American, Chinese or British. The people who became a nation and created an empire and, importantly, civilization (Eurasian in form and substance). There are very few such peoples on the planet - one can count on the fingers of one hand. Here, first of all, language and history are important. Religion (Orthodoxy) plays an important role up to a certain historical threshold, which then decreases (not from the times of the USSR and militant atheism, but from the era of the split and especially of Peter’s reforms), and then, from the point of view of its central role in shaping the civilizational community , almost coming to naught. Especially since there are more than enough Orthodox in the auxiliary units of the Wehrmacht and in modern Ukraine among the military and mercenaries attacking Novorossia. As they, however, was more than enough in the army of Saakashvili.

- Do you consider yourself Russian?

- From the cultural and civilizational point of view - unconditionally. From ethnic - I am a Russian Jew. Not just a Jew, but a Russian Jew. What strongly distinguishes me from a Jew of Bukhara, Gorsky, Georgian, or even more Moroccan, American or German. Moreover, we may well have common ancestors with an American and a German Jew - but it is ancestors and nothing more.

- Is it right to say that Russians are the state-forming people of Russia?

- Yes, of course, historically it is. At the same time, the Russians tied all the other inhabitants of Russia among themselves, like water holds cement, sand and gravel, which were originally not connected in any way, to concrete. It is theoretically possible to evaporate water from concrete - only there will be no building and there will be no: there will be a lot of fragments in a large puddle. And to whom will this be good? The Russians tied together the Finno-Ugrians, Turks, the peoples of the Caucasus, Siberia and the Far East (primarily Koreans and Northern Chinese), Jews, Germans and other Western Europeans, as well as Slavs of all imaginable types, from Poles to Ukrainians and Belarusians, who made up a single the people of the united country in which we still live.

- Perhaps, national identity in modern Russia should be defined by the term “Russian” and not “Russian”?

- Nobody uses it and will never use it in everyday life. Just "Russian" has a double meaning. And narrow ethnic (in Russia), and national (outside). In Hungary, in the construction team in 1978, we were all “Oros” for the locals, that is, Russians. Including Tatars, Ukrainians and Jews. In America or Germany, I am Russian. And, by the way, in Israel too. And ethnic Russians and other Slavs in the Jewish state are called "Russian Russians."

- How relevant is the discussion of the issue of national identity in Russia? Do you consider this topic to be largely decisive for the further development of the country and the formation of a nation’s self-consciousness?

- For scholars and fans of ethnography, the topic is quite relevant. For the development of the country - how to turn. With the formula proposed by the "cathedrals", the country will collapse. Is this relevant? Not my decision. Maybe they just want it. As for the formation of self-consciousness ... Someone who builds and connects, creates new and strengthens the old, and does not cut a piece to the patch for himself and his loved ones can form it. The trouble is when crooks and talkers who are trying to master financial resources and break through to power, where they are obviously not able to get into other ways, except for machinations and chatter, build themselves “fathers of the nation” - even if they’re sweeping the streets by their level , yes to clean toilets - in the fines. In order not to fool head either the country or her superiors.
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  1. Artandrey
    Artandrey 22 November 2014 18: 18
    +4
    So the news is so news, and how much water was poured in the article, and a suitable expert was found- a Jew from the Institute of the East, in general, you can still look for experts in Ukraine, there are very good historians!
    1. Shveps
      Shveps 22 November 2014 18: 32
      +5
      "... the intrusive pushing of Orthodoxy as an indispensable quality of the Russian people does not correspond to historical reality"

      Here is the answer to the question of who is Satanovsky.
      And the phrase "With ethnicity - I am a Russian Jew" (with the mentality of ... yes) generally smacks of blasphemy and mockery of the Russian nation.
      1. jjj
        jjj 22 November 2014 18: 46
        +10
        Yes, Russian is a person who considers himself a Russian, and a Jew is whom OTHERS consider a Jew
        1. AnpeL
          AnpeL 23 November 2014 07: 17
          +3
          ... (assuming that the Russians in the country are the main ones) ...

          And what are some misunderstandings with this, Satanovsky?
          And in general, paying attention to the name of such an expert, one asks: was it not by chance that he was chosen to solve issues concerning Orthodoxy?
      2. nils
        nils 22 November 2014 18: 51
        +10
        F.M.Dostoevsky: - “... not Orthodox can not be Russian”
        "Without religious faith, a people is no longer a people." “Even a great people, falling into atheism and unbelief, immediately ceases to be a great people and immediately turns into ethnographic material, and not into a great people.”
        - “Orthodoxy, that is, the form of confession of Christ, is the beginning of our morality and conscience, and, therefore, of social power, science, everything. ... The Russian people are all in Orthodoxy and in its idea. There is nothing more about him and him - and it’s not necessary, because Orthodoxy is everything ”
        - “conscience without God is horror, it can get lost to the most immoral”

        Bible: “A state divided in itself will perish”

        There will be no Orthodoxy in Russia or it will collapse - the state will collapse.
        And the unscrupulous Satanovsky, seized power, are well aware of this.

        Faith is the last thing that keeps us from decaying completely. Previously, this was the core of the communist idea. But when this pin was pulled out, the state did not collapse. Because the Orthodox faith secretly lives in it.

        PS I ask you not to confuse the Orthodox Faith and the current Moscow Patriarchate.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 22 November 2014 19: 16
          +2
          Quote: nils
          PS I ask you not to confuse the Orthodox Faith and the current Moscow Patriarchate.

          Well, thank God! And at first, even outraged .. lol
          I absolutely agree with the last statement. And Peter the Great was by no means enthusiastic about the holy fathers — and it is difficult to reproach him for his lack of patriotism.
        2. Homo
          Homo 22 November 2014 22: 20
          +3
          Quote: nils
          PS I ask you not to confuse the Orthodox Faith and the current Moscow Patriarchate.

          We now have religion instead of Vera!
          “Nothing unites so much as faith and does not disconnect people like religion.”

          Faith is the recognition of something true by virtue of one's own conviction, without logical or factual evidence.

          Religion is the doctrine of faith, the way in which a person realizes his desire to be connected with higher powers.

          Figuratively speaking, if faith is the sun, then religion is its rays.

          But no one canceled the distortion, refraction of the rays!
        3. Per se.
          Per se. 22 November 2014 22: 56
          +7
          Quote: nils
          F.M.Dostoevsky: - “... not Orthodox can not be Russian”
          Dostoevsky had his own opinion, which should not be elevated to an absolute; finally, Fyodor Mikhailovich lived in a slightly different historical era, without having caught the Soviet Union, with communists, Komsomol members, pioneers and October activists. Can't an atheist really be a Russian person, can it be that a superpower, the USSR, was created by pious people? Faith and religion are not the same thing, the faith of people unites, and religion, on the contrary, divides. Everyone believes, even atheists (they believe at least that there is no God), but not all believers adhere to one religious denomination. For me personally, Orthodoxy is a part of history and culture, a part of folk traditions reflected in a religious cult, something more is everyone’s personal affair. As soon as religion gets into politics, it’s not good to end. My uncle, whom I have never seen, my father’s elder brother, died in 1945 in the battle with the German Nazis, an officer and a communist, you say he was not Russian, he did not like Russia? Enough already, in the XXI century we live, as if, we must again prove that the Earth is round and it is spinning, and, as if, before the baptism of Rus in Russia, not Russian people lived. The article put a plus.
        4. _Brown_
          _Brown_ 22 November 2014 23: 22
          +2
          I beg to differ. Here I am Russian, my ancestors on the 4-8 knees deeper - the Slavs (I don’t know any deeper) and the Orthodox, but at the same time I am very skeptical of Christianity, and even negative for the Russian Orthodox Church. Because Christianity is an imported religion and forcibly imposed on our people by the Latins and the theme of the Jews. Although quite Russified, but still a stranger. So what I can’t disagree with this Jew is that not all of the items declared are suitable for the Russian people, because can give rise to schism in society and in the Russian people.
      3. avia1991
        avia1991 22 November 2014 18: 58
        +5
        Quote: Shveps
        "... the intrusive pushing of Orthodoxy as an indispensable quality of the Russian people does not correspond to historical reality"

        Here is the answer to the question

        ?? .. And what is this not true? But what about Russia before Vladimir? By the way, are you aware that he could have chosen Islam instead of Orthodoxy?
        Church and religion are two completely different things: Religion is a person’s life perception system, and the Church is not so much spiritual as an ECONOMIC institute, in which of the responsible employees of real believers are just a few percent, mainly among the lower church ranks.
        1. nils
          nils 22 November 2014 19: 24
          +3
          According to the story of the Provisional Years, the Volga Bulgars embassy was the first to arrive in Kiev with a proposal to adopt the Muslim faith and honor the Prophet Muhammad. For Prince Vladimir, the opportunity to legitimize polygamy should have looked pretty attractive, but when he found out about the ban on drinking wine and eating pork, the Kiev prince replied: “Russia is a joy to drink, we cannot live without it!”
          Then foreigners came from Rome and said: "We came, sent by the Pope," and turned to Vladimir: "This is what the Pope tells you:" Your land is the same as ours, but your faith is not like our faith. Vladimir said to the Germans: "Go where you came from, for our fathers did not accept this."
          Then the Khazar Jews came and said: "Christians believe in the one whom we crucified, and we believe in the one God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." And Vladimir asked: "Where is your land?" They said, "In Jerusalem." And he asked: "Is she exactly there?" And they answered: "God was angry with our fathers and scattered us in different countries for our sins, and gave our land to Christians." Vladimir said to this: "How do you teach others, but you yourself are rejected by God and scattered? If God loved you and your law, you would not have been scattered in foreign lands. Or do you want the same for us?"
          Then a philosopher from Byzantium arrived in Kiev. After a thorough conversation with him, Prince Vladimir called for the advice of his boyars and city elders, respected and respected residents of the capital. After hearing the ambassadors who reported to the prince and the congregation about visiting different lands with different faiths, the boyars said to Vladimir: “If Greek law were bad, then your grandmother Olga, who was the wisest of all people, would not have accepted it.” “Where will we receive Baptism?” The prince asked. “Where you like,” replied the boyars and elders.

          That is why Russia has been invincible for many centuries, until its terrible yoke ... well.
          Abel the Seer: "And where are the Tatars, Your Imperial Majesty? Where are the Poles? And with the yoke ... the same will happen to the dovsky. Don't worry about that, Father-Tsar, the Christ-killers will carry their ..."
          1. volgro
            volgro 22 November 2014 22: 19
            -6
            There are other opinions. There is a serious scientific work which explains how Europe dodged the Byzantine heirs, and Christianity was imposed on us. Which gave thousands of saints but also changed the natural history of inhibiting the development of science and predetermined totalitarianism (violence in the imposition of a Christian worldview).
      4. Interface
        Interface 22 November 2014 19: 42
        +3
        So what's next? Are you racist? Why are you better than the Nazis?

        Answer: nothing. The same (further the fantasy of the sub-gopota works)


        And the phrase "With ethnicity - I am a Russian Jew" (with the mentality of ... yes) generally smacks of blasphemy and mockery of the Russian nation.


        "Scratch a Russian - you will find a Tatar" (c)

        Dear site administration, on topwar Nazi wound up.
        Concerned about the "purity of blood" of the Slavs.
        Apparently - a typical 14 + hitler youth, probably in VK sits in all kinds of neopagan publics, but at the same time he announces the tsar’s priest.

        I’m sorry to take measures to this morally flawed type.
        1. _Brown_
          _Brown_ 22 November 2014 23: 37
          +1
          Good man, well, do not talk about neopagans. There are also different people there. And their only misfortune is that with the advent of Christianity, knowledge was lost and destroyed. So they have to deal with fragments, but on the basis of their own perception, try to collect an entire picture of faith ... And this is difficult ... But the fact that among them there are many citizens with a bias towards Nazism is true. Unfortunately
        2. Userpic
          Userpic 23 November 2014 01: 12
          +4
          Quote: Interface
          "Scratch a Russian - you will find a Tatar" (c)
          But ento is nonsense smile
      5. Tulip
        Tulip 22 November 2014 20: 32
        +2
        And if I am an atheist - then it means I'm not Russian? I wonder who then.
        1. Cenij150814
          Cenij150814 22 November 2014 20: 52
          +3
          Quote: Tulip
          And if I am an atheist - then it means I'm not Russian?

          But now, calm down already, imagine if you were not an atheist, who would you most likely become laughing if the pagan (Slavs.) is excellent, if the Christian (pravos.) is also nothing, and you can go to bed calmly! laughing oh yes, I almost forgot the most important thing, ask your parents what nationality they are! otherwise you can get embarrassed. repeat
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            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 22 November 2014 21: 37
              -1
              Do not confuse the ROC and the presence of God. This is not the same thing. And if you do not believe in God, this is your own business. I personally believe, because I was given several divine (no other way to explain) visions. One of them happened during the day, not in a dream, I just suddenly saw in a complete mind a completely different place and events taking place there. When the vision disappeared, for several minutes I could not understand how this is possible.
            2. volgro
              volgro 22 November 2014 22: 11
              0
              Christians believed that they serve only God and they do not care what system and who is in power. The priests were different, who helped the Germans and who ours. And many lives have also been saved. Take the example of Pleschner in the film 17 Moments of Spring. There are other examples.
            3. Userpic
              Userpic 23 November 2014 01: 24
              +1
              Quote: Interface
              Unfortunately, cretins are increasingly found who believe that Moscow was saved by the Icon of the Mother of God, which the Bolsheviks carried over the capital in an airplane.
              We will fix it now smile

              The story of how Moscow circled on December 8, 1941 with the Tikhvin Icon of the Blessed Virgin Mary was told by the Orthodox writer Nikolai Blokhin. This message amazed many and was distributed by a huge number of publications on the media. According to some, this story proves that Stalin was the secret leader, that he was transformed during the war and that the Mother of God helped him. Is it so? Was there such a flyby? In what circumstances did it occur or could occur? At the request of the IPCC "White business" we conducted a detailed investigation of all the historical details of this plot.

              http://beloedelo.ru/researches/article/?162



        2. Defender
          Defender 22 November 2014 23: 20
          +3
          Without God, a nation is a crowd
          United by vice
          Or blind, or stupid,
          Or even worse - cruel.
          And let any one rise to the throne
          Verbally high syllable.
          The crowd will remain a crowd
          Until he turns to God!
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      6. avt
        avt 22 November 2014 22: 06
        0
        Quote: Shveps
        Here is the answer to the question of who is Satanovsky.

        The son of a Beria general, moreover, a general from that part of the NKVD, which was called the Gulag.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 22 November 2014 19: 10
      +1
      Here are still conflicts on that topic at that time in Russia was not enough.
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 22 November 2014 20: 48
        0
        I cried ... a good article for Lurk
    3. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 22 November 2014 20: 40
      +1
      I Cried ...
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 22 November 2014 22: 02
        0
        Ivan Petrovich, you speak the truth, boyar! YaP and Lurk - our little more than always!

        S s
        And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do it. (with)

        S s
        I’ll go Chaplin, I’ll look at the TVC ... I’ll join ...
  2. RESEARCHER
    RESEARCHER 22 November 2014 18: 19
    +6
    And what is there for that?
    Brief reference from the biography: Graduated from the Moscow Institute of Steel and Alloys in 1980. After graduation, he worked as an engineer at the State Institute for the Design of Metallurgical Plants, and as a worker at the Hammer and Sickle Plant.

    In the late 1980s he went into business, became the president of the Ariel group of companies.

    Since 1993 - President of the Institute for the Study of Israel (now the Institute of the Middle East).

    In 1999, at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, he defended his thesis for the degree of candidate of economic sciences on the topic "" The Specifics of the Economic Development of Israeli Society in the 90s "[1].
    What he was taught is not involved. And what he does not study anywhere. For 6 years he led the institute being without a degree and title.
    Trying to impose our vision of perspectives with Jewish motives.
    1. RESEARCHER
      RESEARCHER 22 November 2014 20: 08
      +7
      Once again, carefully read the wording and analyze it.
      “Russian is a person who considers himself Russian; not having other ethnic preferences; speaking and thinking in Russian; recognizing Orthodox Christianity as the basis of national spiritual culture; feeling solidarity with the fate of the Russian people "
      The recognition of Orthodox Christianity does not at all mean the obligatory adoption, much less the practice of this religion. And this should not offend anyone. But the refusal to recognize it as a national spiritual culture will completely wash out the Russian spirit in the minds of people. Russia will then cease to be an attractive center of the world.
      What actually Satanovsky and those who stand behind him and promotes him.
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  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 22 November 2014 18: 21
    +7
    a person with the surname Satanovsky, by definition, cannot be an adherent of the Russian Orthodox Church ... (most likely it was a joke) but in general, an article can embroil anyone, for me, so where religion is, there is death and war. (you can drive me into sneakers, but I am not "in Mohammed, nor in Allah, nor in Jesus") my God is my family.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 November 2014 18: 29
      +6
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      a person with the last name Satanovsky,
      What kind of people are they, eating his mother, that he is not a Jew, is so worried about Russian freedom. Compassionate. And indeed God's people! laughing
      We would have gone through a forest, a field, perhaps we would have reached Israel, there are many things to do in the Knesset .... And here we ourselves would have sorted out slowly
  4. Denis fj
    Denis fj 22 November 2014 18: 21
    +8
    . And the Russians argued how to live on in Russia.
    Yes, we are constantly making deliberate attempts to mix Russians and Russians. It is based on the interest of different diasporas to prove that there are no Russians, but there are Russians who are 20% of representatives of different diasporas and 80% unidentifiable biomass.
    The reasons are economic. In such an amorphous jelly, ethnic communities (and these are often ethnic criminal groups) more easily realize their plans to seize certain market segments, placing them in a privileged position in relation to the atomized Russian world. Suffice it to recall Kandelaki who said on the air: "But where are these Russians?" and was surprised when almost all studio workers raised their hands. Outrageous case. How long would an employee have worked in Israel who raised the question of the existence of Jews?
    2. The wording is not perfect. It is important that there is a search for consolidation of the Russians. And we need this because the nation has national interests and it is possible to defend them only through consolidation between its members. It’s hindering to get in now, stripping out nationally oriented politicians. And now the interests of the Russians are clearly infringed.
    One rabbi on TV5 on the anniversary of Israel said: "Israel was created for the preservation of Jews", can be altered "Russia was created for the preservation of Russians and other indigenous peoples."
    3. If Satanovsky defines himself as a Russian Jew, then the key here is that he is a Jew, not Russian, so he is a Russian. If I were living in Israel, I said that I am Jewish Russian, it is obvious that Russian. I am Israeli, like Arabs, but not Jewish.
    1. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 22 November 2014 18: 49
      +6
      Quote: Denis fj
      . And the Russians argued how to live on in Russia.
      Yes, we are constantly making deliberate attempts to mix Russians and Russians. It is based on the interest of different diasporas to prove that there are no Russians, but there are Russians who are 20% of representatives of different diasporas and 80% unidentifiable biomass.
      The reasons are economic. In such an amorphous jelly, ethnic communities (and these are often ethnic criminal groups) more easily realize their plans to seize certain market segments, placing them in a privileged position in relation to the atomized Russian world. Suffice it to recall Kandelaki who said on the air: "But where are these Russians?" and was surprised when almost all studio workers raised their hands. Outrageous case. How long would an employee have worked in Israel who raised the question of the existence of Jews?
      2. The wording is not perfect. It is important that there is a search for consolidation of the Russians. And we need this because the nation has national interests and it is possible to defend them only through consolidation between its members. It’s hindering to get in now, stripping out nationally oriented politicians. And now the interests of the Russians are clearly infringed.
      One rabbi on TV5 on the anniversary of Israel said: "Israel was created for the preservation of Jews", can be altered "Russia was created for the preservation of Russians and other indigenous peoples."
      3. If Satanovsky defines himself as a Russian Jew, then the key here is that he is a Jew, not Russian, so he is a Russian. If I were living in Israel, I said that I am Jewish Russian, it is obvious that Russian. I am Israeli, like Arabs, but not Jewish.

      I subscribe to every word.
    2. volgro
      volgro 22 November 2014 22: 22
      0
      Here is a paradox in Russia, they are Jews, but they come to Israel and there they are considered Russian.)))
  5. Zaslavsky-S
    Zaslavsky-S 22 November 2014 18: 23
    +6
    I, Veles read! And what, non-Russian or what? In the Slavic Gods, the Russian people can not believe ?? Rave.
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 22 November 2014 19: 22
      +4
      There is no grain of expediency in this formula.
    2. Defender
      Defender 23 November 2014 00: 09
      +1
      Sorry for the question, what reverence do you bring to your god?
  6. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 22 November 2014 18: 23
    +5
    If you want to know about Russian collegiality, listen to a Jew, do the opposite and everything will be right! am
    1. boni592807
      boni592807 22 November 2014 22: 10
      +1
      yes It is logical!

      Proposal to the issue raised. fellow
      It's time to return to our passports, the nationality column !!! good
      I respect the Tatars, when they withdrew it, they made their insert and began to contribute. yes

      “... according to opinion polls, more than half of Russians would like to return an ethnicity mark to their passports. By the way, the Bashkirs and Tatars managed to do this - now residents of the respective republics can, if they wish, receive special inserts in their passports, indicating their nationality. ” / 13
      3-constitution-0 /)

      I am sure that he who loves his homeland will not abandon his ancestors. No. Nationality will only make you be more responsible, so as not to disgrace them.
      In our Soviet childhood, the main criterion was human qualities.
      To my surprise, a man with me proudly telling about his descent from one of the prophets in Judaism, upon my proposal for a column with nationality fell upon me with the charge of all sins before nationalism. He was let off steam after a question, but why is he so ashamed of his nationality?
      It's strange - for some reason, in the Soviet period, the "fifth column" did not contribute to the disunity of nations, on the contrary, it was a sign of mutual respect. The Stalin era, during which Jews were allegedly oppressed (we read the names of the country's leaders, etc.), has passed too long ago for its examples to be relevant for our time.
      In addition, a position that obviously assumes that in the very fact of nationality (whether it be the Jewish nation, or the Tatar, or the Chechen - any) there is something that should be hidden or worth being ashamed of, - more xenophobic, rather than the one she is trying to challenge(хттп://щщщ.правда.ру/социеты/хощ/дефендригхтс/13-01-2014/1185073-конституциа-0/

      Yours faithfully, hi
  7. parafoiler
    parafoiler 22 November 2014 18: 31
    0
    Powerfully pushes Eugene, but a lot of water. What did you want to say ?!
  8. Prussian
    Prussian 22 November 2014 18: 38
    +5
    To simplify, Russian is one who identifies himself with the Russian language, Russian culture and history, and then the difficulties go on to deny Russianness to Tatar, Karelian, Jewish is impossible, but to try to level their originality means provoking a conflict sooner or later, hence the erosion of Russian self-awareness is impossible rigid binding to Orthodoxy. The erosion of national identity is a problem of all imperial peoples and Russian is no exception. Eurasianism, whose views are not alien to Satanovsky, in my opinion provides an answer to many questions.
  9. Akvadra
    Akvadra 22 November 2014 18: 39
    0
    With such a speaking surname, this uncle is constantly trying to promote his views on the Russian world. Some blasphemy!
    1. gunter_laux
      gunter_laux 22 November 2014 19: 09
      0
      Not right. Why not like it? I have one Sukin, another Shirinkin in my team. So what?
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  10. Cat man null
    Cat man null 22 November 2014 18: 45
    +4
    “Russian is a person who considers himself Russian; not having other ethnic preferences; speaking and thinking in Russian; recognizing Orthodox Christianity as the basis of national spiritual culture; feeling solidarity with the fate of the Russian people "

    Nu-nu .. I’ll try on points on myself, nothing?

    "a person who considers himself Russian" - well, yes .. mom and dad are Russians, who else should you consider yourself to be?

    "having no other ethnic preference" - the wife was half Ukrainian, half Jewish .. damn .. it seems like I’m not quite Russian anymore?

    "speaking and thinking in Russian"- well, in general, yes .. at work sometimes I had to speak and think in an angelic way .. and what ??

    "recognizing Orthodox Christianity as the basis of national spiritual culture" - but the buoy ... we are atheists .. and the Russian culture - in many respects contrary to this very Orthodoxy arose .. How many years have Orthodoxy in Russia? And what about Russian culture? About that .. culture - it will be any older .. it doesn’t matter to the guys who invented it.

    "feeling solidarity with the fate of the Russian people" - Yes, without a bazaar ..

    Something like that.

    And also - I am familiar with the Russian Tatars, Russian Armenians, Russian Jews. And where do you want to disassemble them?

    It turns out that by this definition - a lot of "non-Russian Russians" will turn out. This definition is harmful.

    Quote: denis fj
    conscious attempts are constantly being made to mix Russians and Russians

    And the word "Russian" was invented by @Ludok Eltsyn, so that he could get a turbo-charged frying pan for that one word ..
  11. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 22 November 2014 18: 45
    +5
    Yanovich, as always right)))
    Respect
    "A Russian person is a person who considers himself Russian ..." What could be expected from Gundyaev's hangers-on?)))
    That is, a scribe who does not consider himself as such is not a scribe?
    Gee))
    I’ll go and announce this news. Now I’ll say that all Izhora is black !!! wassat
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 November 2014 18: 52
      +1
      Quote: Alcoholic
      I’ll go and announce this news. Now I’ll say that all Izhora is black !!!

      yeah ... and a sign hang on like a Bruce Willis in "Die Hard" - "I hate blacks" wassat ... we will drink for you .... laughing
      1. Denis fj
        Denis fj 22 November 2014 19: 08
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Alcoholic
        I’ll go and announce this news. Now I’ll say that all Izhora is black !!!

        yeah ... and a sign hang on like a Bruce Willis in "Die Hard" - "I hate blacks" wassat ... we will drink for you .... laughing


        A bit about the film.

        In the photo there is an inscription on the poster “I hate blacks.” Filming took place in Harlem, and if Willis showed up with such a poster there, he would be shot. Therefore, in fact, he stood with the inscription "I hate everyone." And during the installation, then they drew up about the blacks.
  12. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 22 November 2014 18: 58
    +3
    The Russian state has always had problems when there is no spirituality.
  13. gunter_laux
    gunter_laux 22 November 2014 19: 04
    +11
    Sorry friends, I do not agree. I am German and proud of it, wife Khokhlushka, also ponty bashes winked what to share? A bunch of relatives in Deutschland. But I live and I will live in Russia. This is my homeland and the small homeland of other people.
    1. wef
      wef 22 November 2014 20: 15
      +6
      In a straight line, I'm German. Ancestors came to Russia at the end of the 17th century. The family has always spoken two languages. I am proud of my ancestors who gave their lives for Russia. Both grandfathers died in the Second World War, the father and his three older brothers also participated in the Second World War. His wife has Germans, Jews, Poles and Belarusians in the family. We are rather agnostics.
      And now we are second-class people?
      1. Cenij150814
        Cenij150814 22 November 2014 20: 28
        +1
        Quote: wef
        And now we are second-class people?

        Have sailed! Yes, at least be who you are, what you’re sick of, and your grandfathers respect, but so to speak, and who didn’t fight then!
        1. wef
          wef 22 November 2014 22: 31
          0
          No complaints. Soreness? Why not. After all, the actions of the priests lead to xenophobia. And we publicly condemn it, in the sense of "country". So we are rooting for the unity of society.
          1. Cenij150814
            Cenij150814 22 November 2014 22: 59
            0
            Quote: wef
            And we publicly condemn it in the sense of "country"

            Secondly, we condemn, but as you know, words are one thing and deeds are another, look in Russia all national minorities "unite" within their enclaves and only when it comes to uniting (on the basis of whatever) Russians, they immediately start yelling, and you know it's pretty annoying. And at the expense of the "lands" of your ancestors, is it not disgusting for you to watch what is happening there? laughing ) do not!
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          3. Darek
            Darek 24 November 2014 04: 10
            0
            Quote: wef
            After all, the actions of the priests lead to xenophobia. And we publicly condemn it, in the sense of "country".

            But I, for example, do not judge. Xenophobia, you know, as a medicine. In some doses, it is useful, but you can bend from an overdose. And I do not see any xenophobia in the priest's declaration. Well, the guys said how, in their opinion, the Russian should "look". So what?
  14. Straight
    Straight 22 November 2014 19: 08
    -1
    Orthodoxy is a spiritual guideline of the Russian people. It is very unethical, for this reason, criticism from representatives of another ethnic group, as well as criticism of any ethnic group about the religion that the ethnic group adheres to. Satanovsky’s views, as I have heard and read him, are very interesting and in many ways, it seems to me, true, but his constant aggressiveness towards the religion of the Navah is explained by his surname and insufficiently deep philosophical reflections on the meaning of life
    1. RESEARCHER
      RESEARCHER 22 November 2014 19: 15
      +2
      On television, this Russian Jew also behaves aggressively and is constantly rude, which is not typical of a Russian intellectual.
  15. mamont5
    mamont5 22 November 2014 19: 15
    +7
    Religion cannot unite. She considers her only her followers (any religion).
  16. zero12005
    zero12005 22 November 2014 19: 32
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    a person with the surname Satanovsky, by definition, cannot be an adherent of the Russian Orthodox Church ... (most likely it was a joke) but in general, an article can embroil anyone, for me, so where religion is, there is death and war. (you can drive me into sneakers, but I am not "in Mohammed, nor in Allah, nor in Jesus") my God is my family.

    am It's funny, but let's take it in order: - which of you is inclined so that in the first lesson at school, his child would start learning "our father", and not literature, mathematics, physics. The Church is a dogma that limits our consciousness. And everyone has their own way to the Temple. Religious mass, which one is right? Is it only Orthodox Christian? If you answer in the affirmative, you are an Orthodox Christian, and nothing more. What does Russianness have to do with it? How many Russian atheists, Muslims, and others. By the definition of a handful of clerics, they are not Russian? I would say ... Let the Church deal with spiritual matters on this and that side of life and death. And we will somehow decide for ourselves, at least according to Dahl: - what language do you think, that is what you are ...
    1. RESEARCHER
      RESEARCHER 22 November 2014 19: 39
      +1
      What do you want to prove here? Personally, I have not yet seen any discussion in the sample statements.
    2. Darek
      Darek 24 November 2014 04: 13
      0
      Quote: zero12005
      It's funny, but let's take it in order: - which of you is inclined so that in the first lesson at school, his child would begin to learn "our father",

      Ya

      True, by school my children will know not only "Our Father", but also the "Symbol of Faith" and other prayers.
  17. andr327
    andr327 22 November 2014 19: 32
    +2
    In fact, the church is separated from the state, and the decisions of their cathedral somehow do not bother me. But the prosecutor's office needs to study these decisions very carefully and start a case for inciting ethnic hatred in my country.
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 22 November 2014 19: 49
      +5
      Yes. If to the wording
      “Russian is a person who considers himself Russian; not having other ethnic preferences; speaking and thinking in Russian; recognizing Orthodox Christianity as the basis of national spiritual culture; feeling solidarity with the fate of the Russian people. "
      add "and paying membership fees to the Orthodox Church", the wording would be sincere. When priests get into politics, it ends in pogroms.
    2. Darek
      Darek 24 November 2014 04: 14
      0
      Quote: andr327
      In fact, the church is separated from the state, and the decisions of their cathedral somehow do not bother me. But the prosecutor's office needs to study these decisions very carefully and start a case for inciting ethnic hatred in my country.

      Interestingly, with what diopters do you wear glasses that you have managed to discern ethnic hatred there?
  18. saag
    saag 22 November 2014 19: 35
    0
    "In Hungary, in the construction brigade in 1978, we were all" Oros "for the locals, that is, Russians."
    Curiously, in Kazakh Russian will be "Orys", where is Hungary, and where is Kazakhstan, but it sounds similar
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 22 November 2014 19: 55
      0
      Do not be surprised. Hungaria is a country of g (x) Unns and Polovtsians fleeing from the Mongols. There they eventually settled.
  19. Diter
    Diter 22 November 2014 19: 45
    +4
    Quote: nils
    I ask you not to confuse the Orthodox Faith and the current Moscow Patriarchate.

    Definitely.
  20. pomor23
    pomor23 22 November 2014 19: 49
    +2
    Well, actually the "Russian" Jew did not surprise with anything. Again, we do not expect from them!
  21. sv68
    sv68 22 November 2014 19: 54
    0
    At the very Saton’s wind, the head in our head is also trying to guide us on the path of truth. The country will collapse earlier if such authorities are allowed, it will be a catastrophe irreversible for Russia.
    1. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 22 November 2014 20: 19
      0
      Quote: sv68
      At the very Saton’s wind, the head in our head is also trying to guide us on the path of truth. The country will collapse earlier if such authorities are allowed, it will be a catastrophe irreversible for Russia.

      Hello, good morningand who do you think is sitting there?
  22. Diter
    Diter 22 November 2014 20: 10
    +1
    Since there is no evidence of God's non-existence, atheism can also be considered a kind of faith.
    Once to the professor of the Moscow Theological Academy A.I. At a scientific conference, an atheist approached Osipov and said that he did not believe in God. "And in what God do you not believe?" - asked Osipov. After his interlocutor presented his views in more detail, Osipov shook his hand and said: "I absolutely agree with you, I don't believe in such a God either."
    1. Userpic
      Userpic 23 November 2014 02: 01
      0
      Quote: Diter
      Since there is no evidence of God's non-existence, atheism can also be considered a kind of faith.

      With what joy? smile
  23. Petlin
    Petlin 22 November 2014 20: 22
    +1
    Private property, nationalism, and religion separate people. On nationalism and religiosity, the internal and external enemies of the USSR played in the quest for its collapse7
    1. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 22 November 2014 20: 40
      0
      Quote: Petlin
      Private property, nationalism, and religion separate people. On nationalism and religiosity, the internal and external enemies of the USSR played in the quest for its collapse7

      They played on greedy and fools, at least, so today (since the 90s) they also play, and this is what kind of thing in the "sandbox" turned out to be playable for certain nationalities, or even nationalities, which can not be called out loud on this resource!
  24. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 22 November 2014 20: 25
    +3
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    a person with the surname Satanovsky, by definition, cannot be an adherent of the Russian Orthodox Church ... (most likely it was a joke) but in general, an article can embroil anyone, for me, so where religion is, there is death and war. (you can drive me into sneakers, but I am not "in Mohammed, nor in Allah, nor in Jesus") my God is my family.

    The last name of Satanovsky does not have a serious conversation on religious and ethnic topics.
    Moreover, Comrade Satanovsky deserves respect for not betraying his ancestors for the sake of a mercenary official movement.
    But this is not the case.
    And in the case, I agree with Satanovsky. Moreover, I note that he did not express a single offensive thought for each of the citizens of Russia, and, especially, for truly Russian people.

    I’m baptized, but not a practitioner.
    He visited all the laurels. I received the best feelings from communication by Orthodox history.
    But in one part, over 1000 clergymen who suffered from the Soviet regime were converted to saints by Chokh. And Nicholas the Bloody was counted among the saints. I do not argue - he really is a sufferer, he received death with dignity. But he ruined the country, lost all wars, threw off the throne without confidence that power would fall into reliable hands ... There wasn’t such a thing in Holy Russia so that the destroyers of the Motherland would be revered as saints. Since 1991, as pictures with Nikolai the Bloody appeared in churches, I go to churches only for funerals, and I shy away from these pictures like heresies.

    So for a long time to love the motherland and go to the Russian Orthodox Church for different categories.

    My suggestion. - For peace in society, traditional religions should be protected at the museum level. To no innovations in rites and in ideology.
    We, the citizens of Russia, will be proud of our Great Past, but we will equip our Motherland on the basis of modern technologies, taking into account the great social experience, the experience of many revolutions, popular uprisings, vile betrayals and great deeds, the experience of Petrovsky and Catherine Russia, the experience of the Soviet Union, and, finally, the experience of modern heroes of Russia and New Russia.
  25. Tribuns
    Tribuns 22 November 2014 20: 26
    +1
    What kind of ideas does a person with such a significant surname Satanovsky carry? ... Russian pro-Western liberals, including those who have entrenched themselves in Israel, have been denying the Russian people, who make up more than 85% of the population of our country, the right to be called a state-forming party for more than twenty years, as is customary in other countries ... I wonder how Satanovsky would have "sang" if he lived in the Baltic countries, for example, Latvia, where Russians living there are held for "foreigners" without many rights given to the Latvian states ... Note to Mr. Satanovsky that Russians have always lived in peace with other peoples of Russia by virtue of their internationalism and cemented these peoples with a patriotic bond ... And therefore, to refuse Russians to be called Russians and to be a state-forming people will just lead to a split in Russia ... By the way, do you think that it is difficult for our Motherland a minute who will not stand up for her protection Satanovsky with his comrades or Russian people who are denied rights that are natural to each other their countries?
    1. Sargas
      Sargas 22 November 2014 20: 42
      +2
      "- Is it correct to say that Russians are the state-forming people of Russia?
      - Yes, of course, historically it is so. At the same time, the Russians tied all the other inhabitants of Russia together, like water binds cement, sand and gravel into concrete, which were not initially connected by anything. It is theoretically possible to evaporate water from concrete - only there will be no building and there cannot be: a heap of debris will remain in a large puddle. "
      TribunS Have you read the article?
      "Let us note to Mr. Satanovsky that Russians have always lived in peace with other peoples of Russia by virtue of their internationalism and have cemented these peoples with a patriotic bond ..."
      I notice to you that the author of the article says the same thing as you, and even in the same words.
      "What kind of ideas does a person with such a significant surname Satanovsky carry?"
      Well, you, TribunS, in that case, what kind of ideas are you talking about?
  26. bmv04636
    bmv04636 22 November 2014 20: 26
    0
    Collapses, collapses not the first time Russia, like a phoenix, is always reborn from the ashes and becomes even stronger
  27. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 22 November 2014 21: 52
    +2
    I am a man who believes in God. But I have a very bad opinion about religious figures of all faiths. But in our country it is forbidden by law to criticize and criticize religion and church leaders. For any careless word, they can be put in jail. This alone turns me away from them.
  28. volgro
    volgro 22 November 2014 22: 04
    0
    The author writes correctly, since only Orthodoxy is indicated in the wording. And in our country it is distributed mainly in the western part. The Asian mentality prevails behind the Ural mountains. Russia is a multinational country in which there will be almost as many Muslims as Christians in 10-20 years. Scientists have long argued that Russia is united by the Russian language (while preserving small languages), it is the integrator of the "Russian land". Orthodoxy made a big mistake by trying to become the state religion. Those who have worked in the field of education still feel this unspoken pressure. At one time I developed a non-confessional program of moral education on the platform of scientific discoveries. On the basis of universal laws, children were shown the need for self-improvement and the commonality of all religions was demonstrated in a transdisciplinary manner. The priests got acquainted with my publications and advised the director to change the teacher. The director told me so ... "I will not go against the priests." To replace the concept of Russian by the Orthodox is to plant a time bomb under the monolith of Russia. True, the government already changed its mind a few years ago when it refused to share Russia's oil and other resources (tithe topic). Then there was Putin's speech about his refusal to recognize Orthodoxy as a state religion. Although the church has real power on the ground. For example, in the Belgorod land, all dissenters were ousted from the sphere of higher education. And there was a great persecution of scientists developing the unity of the people on non-confessional values ​​(as it has always been in Russia)
  29. Slovek
    Slovek 22 November 2014 22: 53
    -1
    Mr. Satanovsky, an excellent manipulator and demagogue. Heaped a bunch of shit and decorated a pair of flowers on top. If you tell the reader the same govnits.o from Satanovsky that he piled, in response you will hear, but no, you look here, here, pretty nice flowers.
    ***************
    “Russian is a person who considers himself Russian; not having other ethnic preferences; speaking and thinking in Russian; recognizing Orthodox Christianity as the basis of national spiritual culture; feeling solidarity with the fate of the Russian people "
    Mr. Satanovsky, it is written - recognizing Orthodox Christianity as the basis of national spiritual culture. If you do not recognize Orthodoxy as the basis of the spiritual culture of the entire Russian people, and not individual particular cases (Buddhists, Adventists, Onanists), then I’m sorry in your super-highly cultured language, worthy of the President of the Institute, I’ll say that you or a dude who does not know the history of his people (well you do not consider Russians to be your people, you are a Jew) or worse, a traitor-Judas for 30 pieces of silver knowingly and thoughtfully selling his Teacher.
    People, wake up, or do you really think that the perun, the scum, or some kind of idols united the divided Russian princes and the divided Russian people into separate principalities during the entire Tatar-Mongol invasion? or maybe Judaism, or Catholicism? But our princes Alexander Nevsky and Dmitry Donskoy were atheists or agnostics? And Holy Russia - where does this concept come from? Which of the peoples speaks so to himself, although at the same time he knows his sins, and yet holiness and truth is our ideal? Can England be holy, France or the USA?
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    1. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 22 November 2014 23: 30
      0
      Quote: Sargas
      Do not continue to discuss

      I apologize but you are not a Jew by chance ?, without a catch!
  31. Sargas
    Sargas 22 November 2014 23: 32
    +3
    Quote: Cenij150814
    Quote: Sargas
    Do not continue to discuss

    I apologize but you are not a Jew by chance ?, without a catch!

    I am Russian.
  32. kit-kat
    kit-kat 22 November 2014 23: 34
    0
    Pancake. Direct expert in everything. Zadolbali Euro-specialists in Russian.
  33. Slovek
    Slovek 22 November 2014 23: 38
    0
    "This characteristic fully reflects the vision of the organizers of the Great Russian Council and suggests that, to the extent of their strength and abilities, they do not promote ideas that unite Russians, Russified, descendants of mixed marriages or residents of Russia (a narrower concept - citizens of Russia or a broader concept - patriots of Russia), but they are trying to squeeze the concept of "Russianness" into a certain Procrustean bed, corresponding to their vision - personal and group. That is, to build some kind of fence around themselves, loved ones, hang a sign "Russians" on it, and everyone who is under this concept, from their point of view, it is not suitable, or put in the position of Untermensch (if we really assume that the Russians in the country -
    main), or drive for Mozhay. "
    **************************************
    Mr. Satanovsky, in Russia, for several centuries, other peoples have lived together apart from the Russians, well, by the way, maybe you didn’t know this, you have a specific Middle East, there are some troubles. So this is an interesting paradox. Ivan Vasilievich, who is Grozny, and whom all enlightened, educated and tolerant Europe considers to be a great killer.
    A small digression so to refresh your memory from Wikipedia quote: "Compared with Europe of this time: oprichnina took about 6 thousand lives in 5 years, one St. Bartholomew's night - 30 thousand (according to various estimates: from 5 to 30 thousand); In the Holy Roman Empire - Charles V (1520-1558) executed tens of thousands; in England: Henry VIII (1509-1547) - tens of thousands executed in political struggle, among dozens of other cultural figures - Thomas More, of his six wives, the king, suspecting of treason, executed two; Elizabeth I (1558-1603) - tens of thousands executed; Spain: On February 16, 1568, the Spanish Inquisition sentenced to death all inhabitants of the Netherlands (not to mention all those executed by the Inquisition), during the suppression of uprisings in the Netherlands by Philip II (1556- 1598) in two years more than one hundred thousand were executed, on November 4, 1576, during the suppression of the uprising in Antwerp, 8 thousand were executed, he executed representatives of dozens of aristocratic Aragonese families [240] [241] [242]. " https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%93%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B7%

    D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9
    So when I remember this tsar, they took Kazan, but what a misfortune for the liberals the newly-born and the right and left-wing activists, Tatars, both lived and live in Kazan. They even speak their own language and ... horror, they have preserved their cultures and even worse, they even have their own singers, actors, and even worse even their theaters that travel and tour Russia throughout Russian cities. And do not cry, well, suddenly you remember, about the violence against the Tatars in the study of the Russian language. Clerical work is conducted in their native and Russian, signs in their native and Russian, even on buses, stops are announced in two languages. And those who don’t want to learn live quietly and without Russian, and in some villages they don’t even speak Russian. And even imagine Orthodoxy there, they do not impose, they do not baptize with a sword, as you apparently think. There are many mosques and temples. Apparently people are able to negotiate with each other, while respecting each other and not forcing their faith and customs.
    Or maybe the Russians didn’t politically correct you? It was necessary, as the whole world, to capture the beloved Americans, the Indians, destroy the Indians, sing or exile in the region of Magadan, uproot their language and culture and replace them with their own, so much so that there weren’t even any speakers of that language and customs that now only films left to shoot about the last Navajos, which during World War II encrypted the reports.
    Maybe enough already to drive the blizzard in Russian? If you pour some kind of dirt from the womb, all sorts of bad thoughts roam, then you at least do not show everyone this or how to correctly express them. And then you look, slam shut for your words, and then you will complain to everyone about the unfortunate fate of your incomprehensible and humiliated people.
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  35. anton197103
    anton197103 22 November 2014 23: 59
    +1
    request You can’t shut up everyone’s mouths, believing or not believing is a purely personal matter, the current situation in the country is very difficult and religion is a delicate matter, many yesterday’s adherents of the Communist Party turned over to Orthodoxy
  36. Slovek
    Slovek 23 November 2014 00: 02
    -1
    Sargas, data from the Internet on the quantity let, who for what, when, how much, why.

    Satanovsky, selected quotes:
    1. "In the end, the country has disintegrated twice over the past hundred years about the same dunduks"
    2. "in practice, rather spirituality - a kind of mixture of incense and onuchi with some admixture of kvass, tar and vodka"
    3. "Although it is a shame for the third time in a century to lose a good country and not as good as a country, it is still not such a bad state because of the infringement of the testicles of idiots who are not capable of anything worthwhile, except for the insanity described above."
    4. They strengthen the country, rally the population, do not insult anyone and do not impose the idiotic choice invented by idiots for idiots.
    5. There are no brains in the heads - a solid bone. There is no knowledge about how the world works. We are not talking about the country. An impenetrable aplomb and the desire to pull a blanket (or a cassock with an Armenian and a zipun) on yourself and go into the lords of doom and big bosses.
    6. The trouble is, when crooks and talkers trying to seize financial resources and break through to power, where they, obviously, are not able to get into other ways, except fraud and chatter, they build “fathers of the nation” out of themselves - despite the fact that by their level they would sweep the streets, and clean the toilets - at the fine works. In order not to fool the head of either the country or its superiors.

    It seems to me that these quotes are not suitable for the words of the expert and the president of the institute.
    If a person hates Orthodoxy, then he should not publicly declare this in this form. Even in the courts, the defendant is appealed to you correctly.
    I had to say I do not agree because 1., 2., Etc., and not pouring gav. A little mixed with incense.
    1. Sargas
      Sargas 23 November 2014 00: 16
      +4
      And where in these quotes Satanovsky insults Orthodoxy? He talks about "swindlers and talkers", and you, according to your habit - turn the arrows to blaspheme against the church and God.
  37. Sargas
    Sargas 23 November 2014 00: 02
    +2
    Let me remind you that on Peter's military maps, the Kuban Cossacks are written as "Kuban Tatars". Those. in those days the words "Tatar" and "Cossack" were synonymous with the word "warrior". Those. having conquered Kazan, they annexed to Russia another tribe of fair-haired and blue-eyed (did you not know?) Cossacks (warlike people). So do not shout so loudly about the Kazan Tatars.
    "There are many mosques and temples."
    Here are the Muslims, your fellow believers, you agree to endure, with any cut of eyes. And to the Russian - you deny the right to exist, if I am not Orthodox!
    1. Cenij150814
      Cenij150814 23 November 2014 00: 35
      +1
      Quote: Sargas
      Let me remind you that on Peter's military maps, the Kuban Cossacks are written as "Kuban Tatars". Those. in those days the words "Tatar" and "Cossack" were synonymous with the word "warrior". Those. having conquered Kazan, they annexed to Russia another tribe of fair-haired and blue-eyed (did you not know?) Cossacks (warlike people). So do not shout so loudly about the Kazan Tatars.

      Sorry again laughing I don’t know what Peter was “scribbling”, but then the anthropological signs of the Tatars (Kazan) are far from blue eyes and light brown hair, this is a fact! But then again the indicators differ by regions, and if we take into account mixed marriages, and even more not far enough Finno -Ugrov (blue eyes and blonde hair are their prerogative) then yes!
  38. Slovek
    Slovek 23 November 2014 00: 33
    -2
    Quote: Sargas
    Here are the Muslims, your fellow believers, you agree to endure, with any cut of eyes. And to the Russian - you deny the right to exist, if I am not Orthodox!

    Yes, you live on your health, who told you that the Orthodox will kill or expel all those who disagree? If you do not agree that Orthodoxy created the basis of the Russian people and do not know or do not want to know the history of your people, live as you know, only, excuse me, you remind me of something like a stole who invented his own new story about the great super-duper cool ancestors, who soaked everyone and everything, prayed to the great gods, from whom everything and everything happened, until the "nasty" priests forcibly baptized everyone ...
    As for the word "Tatar", it is good to let these light-haired and blue-eyed tribes, as you think. Suddenly those who have become dark-haired and brown-eyed in our time, while speaking in Tatar, are called by the old word "Bukharians". By the way, a reference would be that the word "warrior" and "Tatar" are the same, it would be interesting to see. I would show to familiar Tatars, I would ask about blue-eyed ancestors.
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  42. RUSS
    RUSS 23 November 2014 09: 48
    +2
    Satan's mediocre expert, I often hear his statements on Ukraine - he does not say anything new or different from others, analyzes little, only a statement of facts and "hackneyed" forecasts. Well, as for "Russianness", what could one expect from a Jew who once held the post of the "Russian Jewish Congress", from a member of the Academic Council of the "Library of Judaica". There is something in him little of Trotsky ...
  43. Slovek
    Slovek 23 November 2014 09: 57
    0
    Quote: Sargas
    And where in these quotes Satanovsky insults Orthodoxy? He talks about "swindlers and talkers", and you, according to your habit - turn the arrows to blaspheme against the church and God.

    He says this about the participants in the cathedral, the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church MP, read it again.
    In my opinion, Satanovsky expressed himself quite clearly about their intellect, beliefs, faith and compared them with the Nazis, Hitler, crooks, Dunduks, idiots, etc. ... indiscriminately blamed all Orthodox as future extremists and persecutors of all other peoples and faiths.
    And the article is generally provocative.
    Why is the role of some kind of expert in Russian is played by a person who specializes in the Middle East, who hates Orthodoxy and who is still not Russian? Maybe it was necessary to call a Russian expert specializing in Russia and its history, and he would help us figure out who is Russian and who is Russian?
  44. Slovek
    Slovek 23 November 2014 10: 25
    +5
    Quote: anton197103
    You can’t shut up everyone’s mouths, believing or not believing is a purely personal matter, the current situation in the country is very difficult and religion is a delicate matter, many yesterday’s adherents of the Communist Party turned over to Orthodoxy

    I agree, buddy. Many commies are opportunists, please do not confuse them with convinced communists, when the first blow of the wind changed their beliefs, they became liberals and democrats and Orthodox candlesticks in churches are now idle at services. They will also change their beliefs in the next breath and will change them under any system and ruler, just to stay at the feeding trough. Such under Nicholas II, swore eternal allegiance to the throne and the king, and when the power gave a crack, the first drove a wedge into this crack, such under Stalin sang songs about the great and wise leader and the first climbed the enemies to search and denunciations, and then under Khrushchev the first blame all the troubles of the country of Stalin, well, etc.
    A Muslim president will come, they will be the first to run to the mosque, buy a rug and sign up for circumcision.
  45. 787nkx
    787nkx 23 November 2014 11: 51
    0
    At heart, a Russian man is always at least a little, but an anti-Semite.
    Jewish people are aware of this and
    they are afraid of any manifestation of the self-organization of the Russian spiritual idea.
    There is nothing wrong with either this or that.
    1000 years after baptism we live in such a composition and before baptism it is not known how many lived,
    who cemented whom, now you won’t say for sure.
    Those who were critically uncomfortable with this state of affairs have long been living in other countries
    and they are nostalgic there dejectedly over their great Homeland.
    All the rest live in Russia and for the fate of the state the Russian People's Councils and Jewish and others will be important, as long as the agenda for them is the search for spirituality, and not "who is to blame" and "beat .....".
  46. SveTok
    SveTok 23 November 2014 12: 53
    0
    "It's not beer that kills people; water kills people ..."
  47. Normal ok
    Normal ok 23 November 2014 14: 08
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    Quote: Petlin
    Private property, nationalism, and religion separate people. On nationalism and religiosity, the internal and external enemies of the USSR played in the quest for its collapse7

    It always only separates people from their own desire to squeeze the feeder from other similar ones. And the excuses for their egoism and aggression are always very beautiful: nation, religion, justice ... Justice is generally used most often. Moreover, both sides always talk about this. And religion is only one of the many points on the list of excuses for their actions. So the problem is not in religion - but in the people themselves.
  48. PValery53
    PValery53 23 November 2014 18: 24
    +1
    Satanovsky's language (a speaking surname!) Is "led" by a notorious Slavophobe.
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 24 November 2014 09: 43
      0
      Quote: PValery53
      Satanovsky's language (a speaking surname!) Is "led" by a notorious Slavophobe.

      And his friend, Solovyov, is the same. The word "Russian" is there, but the Russian itself is not.
  49. Slovek
    Slovek 30 November 2014 06: 42
    0
    For everyone who does not recognize that Orthodoxy formed the basis of the Russian people.
    Here are sketches from Europe.
    http://www.pravoslavie.ru/jurnal/74660.htm
    http://vnuchka-ivana.livejournal.com/5681.html
    Temples give to other institutions and for other purposes. Car repair shops, restaurants, concert halls, warehouses, mosques. Only in the USSR was it forcible, but now it is voluntary.
    And soon the remnants of Christianity will be replaced by Islam. And after that, will Italians, French, Germans be the same peoples or will they become different?
  50. Slovek
    Slovek 1 December 2014 09: 37
    0
    And here is the news on the topic: "The most popular male name in the UK is Muhammad":
    http://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=lenta.ru%2Fnews%2F2014%2F12%2F01%2Fnames
    % 2F & lr = 55 & lang = en
    Will it be English or someone else?