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South Korean Defense Ministry will buy 100 new K-2 tanks

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The South Korean Defense Procurement Agency (DAPA) announced the delivery to the army until 2017 about a hundred tanks K-2 "Black Panther", reports Military Parity with reference to Army Recognition. The decision was made at a meeting of the Committee on Defense Projects chaired by Defense Minister Han Ming.

South Korean Defense Ministry will buy 100 new K-2 tanks


"The K-2 battle tank will allow the military to have the latest combat vehicles with improved mobility and firepower suitable for future conditions, Said DAPA spokesman Kim Si-Chol. - We expect that K-2 will also be in demand on the foreign market. ”

Mass production of the new main tank to replace the aging K-1 and М48 was planned to be deployed in 2009. However, problems with the engine and transmission prevented.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff had to reduce the requirements for accelerating rearmament.

According to the Military Parity, the “Black Panther tank” is being developed in Korea from 2006, it is armed with an 120-mm cannon, it can reach speeds up to 70 km / h, overcome water obstacles to a depth of 4,1 m ”. The machine will be equipped with an engine and transmission of domestic production. The basis for the creation of the power plant served as the German MTU-890 engine with power 1500 l. with.

K-2 began to enter the army from July 2014.
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    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 21 November 2014 17: 50
      -15
      Let's hope that we do not have to fight with South Korea, but Armata has no analogues in the world.
      1. Maks111
        Maks111 21 November 2014 18: 37
        +18
        Let's hope we don’t have to fight South Korea, but Armata has no analogues in the world
        Sorry, of course, but have you seen armature in metal? I do not. And until I see, then it is not.
        1. sandrmur76
          sandrmur76 21 November 2014 19: 57
          +5
          Max 111 Armata is not visible because it is made by stealth technology laughing
        2. svp67
          svp67 21 November 2014 20: 37
          +3
          Quote: Max111
          . And until I see, then it is not.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 November 2014 18: 50
        +19
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Armata has no analogues in the world yet.

        Of course it doesn’t - how can it have analogues that are not?
      3. Siberian German
        Siberian German 21 November 2014 18: 53
        +3
        let's be honest - it doesn’t have it - it just doesn’t have some layouts
        1. Hon
          Hon 22 November 2014 03: 45
          0
          it’s like it’s already undergoing tests, they just forgot to upload a report
      4. unger
        unger 21 November 2014 19: 02
        +2
        and you read her TTX? it’s still not there, it’s just a word-ARMATA-no more than that-until in any case we will not see it !!!
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      6. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 21 November 2014 19: 18
        +7
        Quote: Thought Giant
        but Armata has no analogues in the world.

        I understand that slogans are a necessary thing.
        But here is a bust.

        One of the minuses is mine, do not blame me.
      7. Volozhanin
        Volozhanin 22 November 2014 10: 27
        0
        That yesterday our so-called. "giant of thought"? Or was it just a small house?
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    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 21 November 2014 17: 52
      +5
      Quote: Paradoxov
      Armata will not be surpassed!

      This is not about the "Armata" .. The Koreans are armed from both sides .. And if they fight ..? After all, from all the trunks they will start firing at each other .. (and next to Russia) All this is very alarming ..
      1. Paradoxov
        Paradoxov 21 November 2014 18: 01
        +6
        Yes, I killed Armata, the finished tank will most likely be called differently, I want the t100, for exampleyes
        Yes, and the Koreans never mate.

        New models of Ukrainian armored vehicles scare me more: laughing
        armor
        1. jjj
          jjj 21 November 2014 18: 35
          +1
          Quote: Paradoxov
          New models of Ukrainian armored vehicles scare me more:

          Like wing on cars of Formula 1
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 21 November 2014 18: 26
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And if they cling ..? Indeed, from all the trunks, they will start firing into each other.

        They already periodically mock at each other both on land and at sea request
        Such an uncertain situation in this region is beneficial only to the Americans. They are measured there with the Chinese, who has more.
      3. just exp
        just exp 21 November 2014 19: 01
        +2
        and what is the DPRK armed with? only nuclear weapons are serious, this is of course serious, but if we consider that the carrier is an easy target for the American missile defense system, then the danger is a little exaggerated, well, they also build "new" submarines, they have all the weapons, at best, from the times of the Arab-Israeli wars, well, there is still decl MiG-29, but the ancients, which will not do anything to the South Korean F-15.
        1. Hon
          Hon 22 November 2014 03: 51
          -1
          Well, of course, on foreign territory, the DPRK has little chance, but on their own, they will even give heat on battle tractors. all the same, for many years preparing for war. digging bunkers, reserves reserves.
          1. just exp
            just exp 22 November 2014 20: 23
            0
            What reserves does a country lack in food?
            1. Hon
              Hon 23 November 2014 13: 24
              0
              they are not enough in monogue due to the fact that they live according to the principle of "everything for the front, everything for victory"; by the way, they manage to produce military equipment, i.e. there are materials for this.
        2. bo bo
          bo bo 23 November 2014 21: 47
          0
          if something is covered by China, they found huge deposits of rare-earth metals, and this is the main resource for microelectronics.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 21 November 2014 17: 52
      +4
      I'm surprised the tank is very similar to the Abrams, how did the Americans allow them to develop their own, and not ftyuhali Abrams?
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 21 November 2014 18: 12
        +2
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        I'm surprised the tank is very similar to the Abrams, how did the Americans allow them to develop their own, and not ftyuhali Abrams?

        I think they gathered to fight once they began to produce their massively .. And the "Abrams" "Merkavas" will then be supplied to them in large quantities ... And again, "Wan And cover me Hu Ying Woo ..." hi
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 21 November 2014 19: 23
          +3
          Quote: MIKHAN

          I think they gathered to fight once they began to produce their massively .. And the "Abrams" "Merkavas" will then be supplied to them in large quantities ... And again, "Wan And cover me Hu Ying Woo ..." hi

          I don’t know the possibilities of the USA, but Israel is definitely not able to produce Merkava massively . In the years when the country faced a real threat of a conventional war, MAS produced up to 150 vehicles a year. Today, up to 100 vehicles are produced annually and only half of them are tanks. The rest of the machine is based on Merkava: TBTR, engineering, BREM, command and medical. So past the checkout counter. Israel in order to supply 100 tanks must begin to order spare parts in a couple of years.
      2. Denis fj
        Denis fj 21 November 2014 18: 13
        -2
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        I'm surprised the tank is very similar to the Abrams, how did the Americans allow them to develop their own, and not ftyuhali Abrams?



        The fact that the Koreans created is something very, very similar to the path that Russia, Germany, France, Britain and the USA previously followed, and far from the fact that South Korean specialists created something better than the above countries ..
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 21 November 2014 18: 29
        0
        Quote: Sith Lord
        I'm surprised the tank is very similar to the Abrams, how did the Americans allow them to develop their own, and not ftyuhali Abrams?

        The Abrams is too expensive a cart even for South Korea. And the "light elves" are not eager to hand out such gifts on the right and on the left. request
        1. zennon
          zennon 21 November 2014 18: 54
          +3
          Quote: GSH-18
          The Abrams is too expensive a cart even for South Korea.

          But still much cheaper than a Korean masterpiece! 8,5 million dead mattress presidents apiece is not a bug for you to sneeze! But what "Vicki" says about "Abrams":
          The average book price of the tank in the M1A2 modification for 1999 was about $ 6,2 million.
          At the same time, the purchase price of the tank is much lower: for example, the newly built M1A1 SA, delivered to the Iraqi Armed Forces, were paid to the manufacturer at the rate of $ 1,4 million per car [89]; for Australia, the M1A1 AIM with more sophisticated equipment, but received from US Army reserves, cost $ 1,18 million for each tank
        2. just exp
          just exp 21 November 2014 19: 03
          +4
          the price of K2 is more than 8.4 million bachels per unit, it’s kind of like the most expensive tank in the world, even the type-10 and the cheaper one, 6.4 million apiece.
          1. opus
            opus 22 November 2014 02: 27
            0
            Quote: just explo
            it's kind of like the most expensive tank in the world

            the most expensive leclerc
            1. Hon
              Hon 22 November 2014 03: 54
              +1
              was before Koreans surpassed
      4. Yeraz
        Yeraz 21 November 2014 18: 45
        +12
        Quote: Sith Lord
        I'm surprised the tank is very similar to the Abrams

        Well, actually he looks a lot like Leo than Abra.
        Quote: Sith Lord
        how the Americans allowed them to develop their own, and not ftyuhali "Abrams"?

        Maybe because the United States is not a total dictator of everything and everything to everyone, including its allies, as is customary in Russia ??
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 21 November 2014 19: 05
          0
          Yeraz "Maybe because the US is not a total dictator of everything and everything to everyone, including its allies, as is customary in Russia ??"
          The right is ridiculous.))) Russia is a dictator? Kazakhstan and Belarus obey rightly so.))) They recognized Abkhazia, South Ossetia.))) Maybe you shouldn’t hang everything on Russia anymore.))) Or you can’t hold back your Russophobia?)))
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 21 November 2014 19: 31
            +6
            Quote: Nagaibak
            The right is ridiculous.))) Russia is a dictator?

            Yes, I forgot to write, as is customary to COUNT IN RUSSIA.
            It's just that the Americans and their influence on the allies are always considered from the Master and Slave series, although this is not so.
      5. Dreamwriter
        Dreamwriter 21 November 2014 18: 50
        +4
        The K-1 was based on Abrams. K-2, in turn, is based on K-1. In fact, a fairly good tank, albeit not the best one, currently has the highest rate of fire of the main gun in the world (we'll see there before the release of Almaty), and in combination, the most expensive tank in the world (also before the release of Almaty).
      6. Kars
        Kars 21 November 2014 19: 27
        +3
        Quote: Sith Lord
        the tank is very similar to the Abrams

        The K-1 Rockit was very similar to Abrams. The Panther will be cooler if everything is in order with reliability.
      7. Locksmith
        Locksmith 21 November 2014 21: 56
        0
        Quote: Sith Lord
        I'm surprised the tank is very similar to the Abrams, how did the Americans allow them to develop their own, and not ftyuhali Abrams?

        So it is made based on the "motives" of Abrams, but a little less-Koreans are not such heroic sizes in comparison with amers' loaders, at the same time they saved laughing
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 21 November 2014 22: 04
          0
          Quote: Locksmith
          So it is made based on the "motives" of Abrams, but a little less-Koreans are not such heroic sizes in comparison with amers' loaders, at the same time they saved

          Sergey, are you talking about K-1 (which really looks like an abrashka) or K-2 (which is in the article)?

          On K-2 crew 3 person.
          Shooting is carried out from a mechanized warhead (approximately like Leclerc's).
          Then the ammunition is replenished. 16 + 24 = 40.
    5. Scoun
      Scoun 21 November 2014 17: 57
      +8
      Quote: Paradoxov
      Armata will not be surpassed!

      we do not yet have "Armata" in the troops, let's start with this, and perhaps today it would be more correct to compare with the T-90)))
      In general, I really hope that in the near future we will see many different teams and different tanks on our "Tank Biathlon".
      PS.
      At the tank biathlon, of course, I would like to see all the tanks that are in service not only of the Russian Federation, and if we have T-72, T-80, T-90 in service, then I would like to see them all at biathlon so that there would be a difference in speed, shooting it can be clearly seen and the most important thing is to see that the skill of tankers can help and "defeat" a more modern tank.
      (I deliberately took the win in quotation marks because the duel between the tanks is a bit different since there are other factors and where the hit does not mean breaking through the armor, although a team battle with firing of paintballs / markers like paintball might be interesting!)))
      1. Paradoxov
        Paradoxov 21 November 2014 18: 17
        +3
        I agree! Tank biathlon - ingeniously invented, the main thing now is to draw teams of countries from all over the world there!
        But tank battles, duels you can’t imagine better than WoT wink Over time, they will simulate something similar in real life.
        It is better to "fight" in sports arenas and tank courses, it remains for democratizers to push it! am
      2. max702
        max702 21 November 2014 18: 27
        +1
        Quote: Scoun
        In general, I really hope that in the near future we will see many different teams and different tanks on our "Tank Biathlon

        By the way, yes, the Koreans can participate with their K2, the secrecy of their tank is of no interest to anyone (there are no interested opponents), but getting good advertising practically for free for further sales is easy! But the truth is, provided that all those characteristics that are stated are real, and not fictitious .. about the training of the crews, I have no doubt these are meticulous, hardworking Koreans, and not slack pontorez Arabs, it's up to a little to make a decision, and if the big American brother allows you to start execution .. If it burns out and I see the world championship among tanks for the "UVZ" Cup laughing
    6. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 November 2014 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: Paradoxov
      Darkly Litter:

      The English correspondent Graham Phillips said that the DPR army liberated most of the village of Peski from the Ukrainian occupation forces, from whose territory the Ukrainian armed forces conduct daily shelling of Donetsk.

      Well, for the truce! And for the Minsk agreements! laughing
    7. Denis fj
      Denis fj 21 November 2014 18: 11
      0
      The tank itself is a "compilation" of ideas from all over the world with the introduction of local flavor.
    8. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 November 2014 18: 48
      +2
      Quote: Paradoxov
      Fuck the Koreans with their tanks?

      How the hell is that? While inadequate brothers are marching in the north, they are even needed!
    9. Hon
      Hon 22 November 2014 03: 43
      0
      why don’t they make their tanks, if they do it well?
  2. nvn_co
    nvn_co 21 November 2014 17: 50
    0
    Ish, what ... Wanting to join the great tank-building powers ... But the word panther is wrong. In the 40s, our grandfathers proved: It bears a bad aura! smile And well done. What is there, however, basted .... laughing
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 21 November 2014 18: 59
      +3
      Quote: nvn_co
      What is really there, however, paved.

      A country with a powerful industry, it may well create its own tank with decent characteristics. Probably everyone in the house has a technique that was "built" in South Korea.
  3. mamont5
    mamont5 21 November 2014 17: 56
    +1
    Quote: Paradoxov
    "Zhora dreams of returning to Slavyansk and clearing Mount Karachun."


    I wish Zhora good luck in this difficult but necessary business.
  4. Messiah
    Messiah 21 November 2014 17: 57
    +6
    South Korea, today has a powerful and effective military-industrial complex, which is confirmed, is one of the best tanks in the world, objectively surpassing our t-90MS in a number of parameters, so that having such a military-industrial complex at hand, Korea will be able to quickly prepare a snazzy answer, if that need. Although it is for them in the coming 5-7 years, they do not need it.
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 21 November 2014 17: 59
      0
      And we need to offer North Korea the latest anti-tank systems.
      1. Enot_33
        Enot_33 21 November 2014 22: 18
        0
        Quote: Penelope
        And we need to offer North Korea the latest anti-tank systems.

        you rave! there was still not enough Russia to intervene in this conflict. Do not be like American hawks poking their dermocracy in all countries!
        1. Idel
          Idel 21 November 2014 23: 28
          0
          And what did he write wrong? This is a trade. What's bad about it? What are you afraid of? How long can you live with your tail tightened? Oh, these commentators with inferiority complex
          1. Enot_33
            Enot_33 21 November 2014 23: 36
            0
            Quote: Idel
            And what did he write wrong? This is a trade. What's bad about it? What are you afraid of? How long can you live with your tail tightened? Oh, these commentators with inferiority complex

            Do you know that South Korea did not impose sanctions against Russia? Southerners are very peaceful and respecting Russia. Perhaps they will change their mind about us if their inadequate neighbors suddenly have the latest Russian weapons, which are more likely to be used against them. Although people like you who need to shove weapons to shove. Just to fill a pocket.
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    3. Dreamwriter
      Dreamwriter 21 November 2014 18: 55
      0
      Very good tank - yes. But the superior T-90MS - no, I do not agree here: the T-90MS wins in many parameters. Their characteristics are more or less comparable.
  5. Artful73
    Artful73 21 November 2014 17: 58
    0
    Our "Competition-M" will not work.
    1. Denis fj
      Denis fj 21 November 2014 18: 21
      -1
      Quote: Artful73
      Our "Competition-M" will not work.



      Why COMPETITION-M ...

      You can three shots from an RPG at the same time and from different sides at a cost of 300 US dollars and 8,5 lemon bucks to the wind ... This miracle is worth it.
      And if you beat it correctly, then 1 shot is enough laughing
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 21 November 2014 19: 04
        0
        Quote: denis fj
        You can three shots from an RPG at the same time and from different sides at a cost of 300 US dollars and 8,5 lemon bucks to the wind ... this miracle is worth it.

        forgot to indicate the cost of training the crew, and there is a completely different amount ...
      2. Mol
        Mol 21 November 2014 20: 26
        -2
        Quote: denis fj
        You can three shots from an RPG at the same time and from different sides at a cost of 300 US dollars and 8,5 lemon bucks to the wind ... This miracle is worth it.
        And if you beat it correctly, then 1 shot is enough

        Well, yes, yes ... And if you really want to, you can fly into space! And if you find enough kamikaze who are ready to die for the tsar-priest, then you can try and throw stones at him ... Or hats! laughing
  6. The fat man
    The fat man 21 November 2014 18: 00
    +4
    It’s time for them, as the leaders of the technological country of the world, to get rid of the trash of the 80s
  7. vostok1982
    vostok1982 21 November 2014 18: 32
    +1
    German gun or your own?
    1. Mol
      Mol 21 November 2014 20: 31
      +1
      Quote: vostok1982
      German gun or your own?


      Here's what they wrote about it a year ago at VO.
      "In addition, the designers planned to install an experimental 2-mm smoothbore gun developed by the German company Rheinmetall as the main armament of the OT K140 tank, but this also had to be abandoned. One of the reasons was the requirement to use only its own technologies as much as possible, and the other was the refusal of the German company. from the further development of this gun.As the gunsmiths of the company considered, a modern smooth-bore 120-mm cannon with a barrel length of 55 calibers will be more than enough to ensure the solution of all tasks to combat armored targets in the foreseeable future. 2mm Rheinmetall L120 cannon, which was later reconfigured to use more powerful ammunition.The 55 / L120 cannon for the Black Panther was developed and produced by World Industries Ace, and the ammunition for it was developed and manufactured by Poongsan. "
      http://topwar.ru/33618-bronya-chernoy-pantery.html
    2. 290980
      290980 22 November 2014 16: 41
      0
      Quote: vostok1982
      German gun or your own?

      yes there everything is German campaign smile
  8. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 21 November 2014 18: 52
    +13
    I read komenty and I can not understand ...
    WHAT COMMENT ???
    Ali just joking?
    Well, well.
    Just to blur something and ... again, on the Ukrainian theme, move the arrows ...
    ....................

    K-2 is quite a serious tank. This is a serious revelation in the global tank building market.
    The black panther was created taking into account the study of Abrams, Leopard-2, Leclerc and ... T-80У.
    Koreans for a long time could not bring it to mind.
    Now ready to put into serial production.
    For North Korea, this is definitely not ice - 100 machines are a regiment kit:
    - Automatic detection, recognition and destruction of the target without operator intervention.
    - Hydropneumatic suspension with variable clearance.
    - radar !!!
    - "Friend or Foe" system
    - Shells with self-aiming combat elements.
    - Exchange of tactical information between machines.
    - Rate of fire 15 rounds per minute.
    Not to mention all kinds of Pribluda in the form of thermal imagers, a panoramic viewer and super LMS with a high-precision stabilizer, and more ...

    Photo: clearly visible radar
    1. Kars
      Kars 21 November 2014 19: 31
      +4
      55 caliber German 120 mm rheinmetal of what it costs (and rumor has it that they 60 caliber gun were riddled with)
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 21 November 2014 19: 43
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        55 Gauge German 120 MM Rheinmetal

        Good to see you, Andrey.
        hi
        It seems they themselves release, but licensed under Rheinmetall?
        About 60 calibers - I have not heard.

        Are Koreans K-2 really brought to mind?
        Hmm ... if so - then not weak.
        This mysterious horse interests me for a long time.)))
        1. Kars
          Kars 21 November 2014 20: 39
          +3
          Quote: Aleks tv
          It seems they themselves release, but licensed under Rheinmetall?

          What can I say Fritz made a world hit, as in the previous British generation with L7
          Quote: Aleks tv
          This mysterious horse interests me for a long time.)))

          I hope that in the wake of this news, the Chinese will make a fuss and rivet the model.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 November 2014 20: 43
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            I hope that in the wake of this news, the Chinese will make a fuss and rivet the model.

            Such?
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 21 November 2014 20: 51
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Such?

              Well there he is, heartfelt doing ...
              Once I watched as a young flyer tried to drive on the BTS with a raised pipe-hole ...
              Oh, and he had fun.)))
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 November 2014 20: 54
                +1
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Well there he is, heartfelt doing ...

                Supervises.

                In principle, such a decision has the right to life, it’s more convenient to drive a tank under water. Yes, and easier to get out. The disadvantage is that it is necessary to carry tanks in a motor vehicle.

                By the way, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first production tank with a working active suspension. In the sense, not a variable clearance and other delights, but real work when traveling at an intersection.
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 21 November 2014 21: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  By the way, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first production tank with a working active suspension. In the sense, not a variable clearance and other delights, but real work when traveling at an intersection.

                  Yes.
                  You can even say that the suspension stabilizes the "third plane" when fired.
                  In any case, a delay in the shot gives.

                  Good - radish, you can’t say anything.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 21 November 2014 21: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    You can even say that the suspension stabilizes the "third plane" when fired

                    That’s the whole ficus picus, that the active suspension significantly increases the speed at which the regular operation of the stabilizer is possible, which means shooting. Which gives great tactical advantages.

                    Plus, as far as I know, the tank has an optical system, an "advanced" ASC, which provides a shot not when the gunner pressed the button, but when it should be, at the moment when the oscillating barrel looks where it should be.

                    And if you also take into account that the UKs in the development of electrothermochemical tools have already moved from just electric ignition to electric controlled ...
                    A very promising technology, which now allows optimizing the process of ignition of the charge, that is, increasing the initial speed.

                    And when, finally, they get to electric evaporation, the charges of tank shots will be inert. That is, under normal conditions, they are completely safe, it will be possible to safely direct a gas burner to them without consequences.
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 21 November 2014 21: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      active suspension significantly increases the speed at which regular operation of the stabilizer is possible,

                      Yes.
                      Otherwise, the gun goes to the stabilizer hydrostop.
                      A howl is heard even in a hat.

                      Quote: Spade
                      providing a shot, not when the gunner pressed the button, but when necessary, at the moment when the oscillating barrel looks where it should be.

                      Absolutely, this is the "delay" when firing.
                      We experienced something similar on the T-80U.
                      But I am not familiar with the principle of operation of our equipment, and on K-2 it makes the suspension.
                2. 290980
                  290980 22 November 2014 21: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Spade

                  In principle, such a decision has the right to life, it’s more convenient to drive a tank under water. Yes, and easier to get out. The disadvantage is that it is necessary to carry tanks in a motor vehicle.


                  also a German solution, up to 4 meters deep, I can’t say that it is optimal, well, as it is, there are .. pipes must be carried with them or pantons to drive.



            2. Kars
              Kars 21 November 2014 20: 55
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              Such?

              It’s possible that I would like to do so on an 35 scale. Although, in principle, I can tolerate a couple of years. Now such a shaft is going to be - Is-7, T-10 (soon) Conkeror, M103
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 November 2014 21: 05
                +1
                My dad refused the tanks. "It hurts a lot of space" (c) Moved to airplanes. The day before yesterday I ordered a coffee table in the form of a showcase. The "small" model TB-3 has a wingspan of under half a meter, it does not fit into the "model cabinet".
                1. Kars
                  Kars 21 November 2014 21: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  It hurts a lot of space "(c) I switched to airplanes

                  That is the crisis of the genre. Places occupy almost one in one. And this is not taking large type TB-3 or Lancaster.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 21 November 2014 21: 26
                    +1
                    He makes fun of biplanes, they really take up little space. And in the manufacture of complex, stretch marks, struts, etc.
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 21 November 2014 21: 21
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  The "small" model TB-3 has a wingspan of under half a meter, it does not fit into the "model cabinet".

                  As a teenager, I had the good fortune to find (!!!) and assemble a strategic "Bear".
                  Had to leave when moving.
                  As dozens of three models fell into disrepair due to many relocations.

                  Since then ... I do not undertake models.
                  I’ll probably begin, how exactly I’ll settle in one place.
                  I apologize for intervening in the conversation.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 21 November 2014 20: 39
      +2
      Apparently above the barrel is a Doppler meter of the initial velocity of the projectile, like modern self-propelled guns. A rectangle next to the lens of the barrel bend accounting system.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 21 November 2014 20: 46
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Apparently above the barrel is a Doppler meter of the initial velocity of the projectile, like modern self-propelled guns. A rectangle next to the lens of the barrel bend accounting system.

        Is that that?
        This one?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 21 November 2014 20: 51
          +2
          I’m talking about this. This thing should not be anything else.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 21 November 2014 21: 08
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            Quote: Spade
            This thing should not be anything else.

            I apologize for not saying hello.
            Welcome.

            What the hell is he for?
            Honestly, I have not encountered such equipment.
            That's interesting.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 November 2014 21: 23
              +3
              Also forgot, welcome.

              There is essentially a system, as in the traffic police radar.

              Application - the projectile takes off, the initial velocity is measured, compared with the reference one, corrections are introduced at the next shot. That is, at least the "shooting" of the barrel is taken into account with great accuracy. Plus, having these deviations early. speed with the previous shot, you can measure the deviation for a new batch of shells (charges) And also enter a constant correction

              Bourgeois put such ABS (artillery ballistic stations) even on towed guns. We still have a portable version, on a tripod. On guns - only on export self-propelled guns 2S19M1-155
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 21 November 2014 21: 32
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                And also introduce a permanent amendment

                Clear.
                Those. it is possible to enter into the calculation - the current speed in the given shooting conditions, and not the reference type of ammunition.
                Very reasonable.

                Thank.)))
  9. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 21 November 2014 18: 54
    +2
    Yes, South Korea has come a long way and has long rivaled Japan. What can I say, just done. soldier
  10. padded jacket
    padded jacket 21 November 2014 19: 00
    +2
    Lord of the Sith (1) SU Today, 17:52 ↑

    I'm surprised the tank is very similar to the Abrams, how did the Americans allow them to develop their own, and not ftyuhali Abrams?


    It looks like the Abrams because it is a further development of the K-1 tank, which was designed by US firms for South Korea.
    K-1


    An article about him with detailed photos:
    http://btvt.narod.ru/4/k1/k1.htm
  11. sv68
    sv68 21 November 2014 20: 06
    +2
    the name is interesting - "black panther". and by the way, the abrashka carries its roots from leopards, therefore, the Korean is essentially a copy of a German tank for the Korean version.
  12. Enot_33
    Enot_33 21 November 2014 20: 31
    +5
    Quote: Aleks tv
    I read komenty and I can not understand ...
    WHAT COMMENT ???
    Ali just joking?
    Well, well.
    Just to blur something and ... again, on the Ukrainian theme, move the arrows ...
    ....................

    K-2 is quite a serious tank. This is a serious revelation in the global tank building market.
    The black panther was created taking into account the study of Abrams, Leopard-2, Leclerc and ... T-80У.
    Koreans for a long time could not bring it to mind.
    Now ready to put into serial production.
    For North Korea, this is definitely not ice - 100 machines are a regiment kit:
    - Automatic detection, recognition and destruction of the target without operator intervention.
    - Hydropneumatic suspension with variable clearance.
    - radar !!!
    - "Friend or Foe" system
    - Shells with self-aiming combat elements.
    - Exchange of tactical information between machines.
    - Rate of fire 15 rounds per minute.
    Not to mention all kinds of Pribluda in the form of thermal imagers, a panoramic viewer and super LMS with a high-precision stabilizer, and more ...

    Photo: clearly visible radar

    I strongly agree with you! Any news here slides down to a banal ukrasrach and frenzied urapatriotizma. And the TANK is really just excellent to be recognized! Koreans are now generally trending from cars to tanks. we have a lot to learn from them. Recently I returned from Korea and I will tell you that the people there are just wonderful and very friendly. Whatever the case, Russia, for the most part, they love and respect, which once again proves Korea’s refusal to apply sanctions against us.
  13. Gray 43
    Gray 43 21 November 2014 21: 00
    +1
    In one of the issues of "Military Secret" on Ren TV there was a story about this tank - God forbid to meet him in a real battle, a serious opponent, despite all the arguments of the fans of the Russian tank school. Nobody has seen "Armata" yet, there are only rumors and guesses about its data, and here we are talking about deliveries of a serial car
  14. grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 21 November 2014 22: 24
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    Already wrote before about tanks, that all the bells and whistles of the antennas. optics and other hinges completely shaves off with fragments from above, if you correctly cover the position with a large mine or howitzer shell with a high-altitude detonation. Further, the tankers can stupidly look into the thick glass ...
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 21 November 2014 22: 47
      +1
      Quote: grandfather_Kostya
      all the bells and whistles of the antennas. optics and other hinges completely shaves off shards

      Grandfather_Kostya, I’ll tell you a terrible secret:
      30mm, 14,5mm, 12,7mm smash all the optics in the trash and demolish the whole crap on the tower.
      Just do not tell anyone this.

      In particular, because of this (and also due to the lack of experience), the Czech-2 dismantled the antenna for collecting atmospheric data on the T-72BA.

      There are, as it were, two points:
      - who will allow the adversary to do this with the CORRECT tactics of using the tank.
      - Protection of optics and all the necessary rubbish on the armor. They are working on this problem ... otherwise, a return to the past.
    2. Enot_33
      Enot_33 21 November 2014 22: 51
      +2
      Yes, you are a genius grandfather_Kostya !! Fuck the heap of rabid grandmother in the improvement of tanks !? Install periscopes, laser rangefinders and other unnecessary bells and whistles. Let other allies of NATO also deal with this ungrateful business. We stupidly weld an iron box with one hole for the driver to see where it goes and another hole for the gunner to see where to shoot! For how much dough we save! You think utopian.
  15. IgorM
    IgorM 21 November 2014 22: 30
    +1
    Koreans have a very good tank, and the previous K-1 modification is good, the news from the author surprised that the K-2 supposedly replaces the K-1, which was also shoved next to the M-48 :) do not forget that South Korea there are also our tanks and BMP.
    The tank is similar in appearance to many experimental lungs American tanks, but he is not a copy of them, much less a copy of Abrams. According to decisions even with the feet from the USA, he is nevertheless closer to Leopard.
    Regarding the cost, the K2 is not the most expensive tank in the world, so far the most expensive are Japanese and primarily because these tanks are figuratively piece goods because of the impossibility of exporting them. The Koreans managed to reduce the project cost of their new tank through cooperation with the Turks, whose Altai tank was nothing more than a hodgepodge of K1 and K2.
    Not only K2, but K1 surpasses any of our modern tanks and their modifications in most characteristics, and simply in technology.
    An interesting fact, the Korean tank also has a low silhouette and is quite lower, smaller and lighter than the same Leopard and Abrams - you say that this is realized due to the fact that Korean tankers are generally midget :))), but in fact there’s a lot of space for one crew members in Korean tanks are MORE than in our T-72s and T-90s ...
    1. zennon
      zennon 21 November 2014 23: 11
      0
      Quote: IgorM
      Regarding the cost, K2 is not the most expensive tank in the world, so far the most expensive are Japanese

      Doesn't fit. "Vicky" reports that the Korean costs $ 8,6 million, and the Type-10 $ 6,5 million, per copy. If "Viki" is not an authority, then provide links, we will consider ...
    2. Enot_33
      Enot_33 21 November 2014 23: 27
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      IgorM This I minusunul accidentally. All right, say it. Even the Russian military recognized this tank as one of the best. Unfortunately, there is no chance in a dueling battle between the Russian creations of the tank genius that are now in service with our army. Yes, to be honest, we do not have any worthy creations, but at the moment the T-90 has not been launched into production, although this tank is actually the 17th modification of the Soviet T-72, which was produced since 1973. In short, at the moment we have nothing to brag about.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 22 November 2014 01: 12
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        Quote: Enot_33
        In short, at the moment we have nothing to brag about.

        Well, Eugene ...
        as if the grandmother said for two.

        The same K-2 is a super tank of the current generation of tank building.
        Full respect for her (just read my comments in this thread).
        But:
        MY Crew on the T-72B (object 184) - will get rid of any splinter ... we just need time to "think" a couple of seconds on the hillock of the theater and ... my sensible zampotekh.

        Crew, Tactics, Interaction - this is the guarantee of VICTORY.
        yes

        I just want to say:
        - as "iron" - K-2 is GOOD! ... Busurman radish.
        good
        1. Enot_33
          Enot_33 22 November 2014 07: 45
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          Quote: Aleks tv
          Crew, Tactics, Interaction - this is the guarantee of VICTORY.

          ... multiplied by super modern technology. Do you really think that training Korean tankers is worse than Russian? One must be objective. All these urapatriotic moods will not lead to anything good.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 22 November 2014 18: 33
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            Quote: Enot_33
            One must be objective. All these urapatriotic moods will not lead to anything good.

            Конечно.
            And a big request: do not confuse me with the dumplings))) in my blood there is a desire to strangle them in batches.

            Simple - I really appreciate the training of YOUR crews.
            We were taught that way.

            And the fact that K-2 is good, I absolutely agree.
            No one more than Mazuta wants a GOOD iron.
            We dream about it.)))
            1. Enot_33
              Enot_33 22 November 2014 20: 27
              +2
              Quote: Aleks tv
              And a big request: do not confuse me with the dumplings))) in my blood there is a desire to strangle them in batches.

              I see that you are quite an adequate person. and this cannot but rejoice. Sadly, this resource does not really support your point of view. Most of the news is directly or indirectly connected either with Ukraine or in the blind praise of a particular sector of the Russian military industry and military-industrial complex products. Of course, I understand in some way the local administration, the spirit of the times, so to speak. Patriotism must be on the rise. It is difficult to fetch truly valuable information from this compote. Recently, I try not to read comments at all. It seems that here a branch of the VKontakte resource has opened.
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 23 November 2014 01: 00
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                Quote: Enot_33
                a breath of time, so to speak.

                To the point, Eugene.

                Quote: Enot_33
                Patriotism must be on the rise.

                Yes.
                And again, yes.
                And always - YES!
                I am glad that the wave of patriotism is rising - it is GOOD, it pleases the heart.
                Quote: Enot_33
                It is difficult to fetch truly valuable information from this compote.


                Politics ??? ... crappy defect ... the smell of rot in the nose strikes when you breathe in the air with full breasts ...

                It’s easy for a politician to ram his boot into the brain - before the FIGHT.
                YES.
                But:
                It’s hard for a politician to cram into the fighter’s brain - after the Fight ....
                After the BATTLE, the simplest Shooter becomes a politician of "his unit" - probably just wants to live ... because he realized that it is possible to survive when there is "mutual cover" ... it is difficult to describe THIS in the comment.)))
                Here nuna remember about Tactics and Operational Art ... and ... then ... ahem ... remember in the "sue" GSh? )))
                ........................

                PS
                Nefig snot smear on the clave of a computer ...
                You just need to revive the NVP system.
                NOT just "CWP in high school", but - "CWP System" !!!.
                Lisaped has been rolling wheels for a long time, creaking ...
                Probably because it was invented long ago.

                That's something like that, Eugene.
                drinks
  16. IgorM
    IgorM 21 November 2014 23: 53
    +1
    Quote: zennon
    Doesn't fit. "Vicky" reports that the Korean costs $ 8,6 million, and the Type-10 $ 6,5 million, per copy. If "Viki" is not an authority, then provide links, we will consider ...
    When you look at the data on the cost of this or that equipment and even in dollars, pay attention to the year, the buck also becomes cheaper from year to year, and most importantly, take a closer look at what exactly is estimated.
    I’ll give an example, in the news recently I read about the supply of F-16 Block to 61 Arabs, the cost of one unit of 200 million US dollars is given. Believe that the F-16, even Block 61, costs 200 million dollars? ...
    Well, "Wiki" is a free encyclopedia, necessary and interesting, but it is not impartial and, alas, often suffers from inaccuracies.
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  18. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 22 November 2014 08: 23
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    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: Sith Lord
    I'm surprised the tank is very similar to the Abrams, how did the Americans allow them to develop their own, and not ftyuhali Abrams?

    The Abrams is too expensive a cart even for South Korea. And the "light elves" are not eager to hand out such gifts on the right and on the left. request


    Well, actually, K-2 is a Korean upgrade of Lepard and is one of the most expensive MBT, as if Abrams was not a competitor to this.
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