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Russia needs a “100% guarantee” that no country thinks about Ukraine’s entry into NATO, BBC press secretary to the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, told BBC.

However, according to Peskov, no one gave Russia such a guarantee, and this situation makes Moscow nervous and take precautions

In this case, Putin’s press secretary accused the West of trying to “upset the balance of power.”

Earlier on Tuesday, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier warned that Europe faced an imminent threat of confrontation instead of cooperation.

At the same time, according to the head of the Foreign Ministry of Germany, there is no reason for optimism regarding the events in the east of Ukraine. [/ I]

Ps. It is quite funny that after a quarter of a century from Moscow they again demand some guarantees from NATO. It was only at the end of 80 that they were talking about guarantees "not of NATO expansion to the east", and now it is a question of obtaining guarantees of "not of NATO expansion to Ukraine." In my opinion, the chances of getting such guarantees and even less waiting for their fulfillment are somewhere in the region of absolute zero, since, as the example of Gorbachev and Shevardnadze showed, the United States and NATO comply with the treaty only when it meets their national interests. And when it does not respond, all previously given guarantees are discarded as insignificant garbage. Examples of those who "believed the West" in the last quarter of a century in bulk - Milosevic, who caved in under the Dayton Accords, Gaddafi, who, under the guarantees of the West, destroyed his WMD ...

In the current conditions of the collapse of the old world order, the only worthy guarantee (in addition to the ultimatum nuclear guarantee) of "not expanding NATO" to Ukraine is its own (and not American) puppet regime in Kiev, its own, and not foreign bases in the former "united Ukraine", own (not alien) work with the masses and elite groups. Only by creating an actual obstacle to the plans of the US and NATO, one can count on a real result and real position in the bargaining / war for Ukraine. Words, be it admonitions, requests, threats, and compromise proposals, when they are not supported by real actions, will be used as a toilet paper for political needs at best.

But now it suddenly became clear that the West is destroying the “balance of power”, rapidly moving the situation towards confrontation, when everything that has been said over the past half year becomes unimportant, because the long-term game of integrating Russia into the Western world has given a tangible crack that its apologists do not know how to fix . We are part of Western civilization, we are part of Europe, the most daring said that we are part of the golden billion. But 2014 came, and it turned out that we were still strangers there, all the same Scythians, Asians, Mordorian orcs and bearded barbarians with a balalaika for an advantage. Now the country is experiencing a very interesting and in its own way historical period - official Westernism (as an idea, as a development paradigm and way of life) at full speed entered the wall of the military-political confrontation with the West, which the ideologists of the 90th course do not know how to resolve. How to fight the world where you so wanted to go? But how not to fight if the surrender entails the loss of power and very likely the collapse of the country. The authorities have been struggling with this entertaining paradox for almost half a year, maneuvering, maneuvering, making concessions as necessary, turning on the Wentorg if necessary, but they could not jump out of the bounds of the obvious fork.

This, of course, is no longer about any guarantees; in the Kremlin, all the same, not fools are sitting in order not to understand the price of these guarantees and those who give these guarantees. Otherwise, they would have long ago exchanged Novorossia for some sweet promises. But since no one believes in such promises, the exchange with the West in Novorossia expected by many since the summer (vulgarly expressed in the cries of “Putin leaked!”) Has not yet happened, for reasons of lack of agreement of the United States and the elementary desire of any the political system (including the Russian one) to survival, and the system and its helmsmen have a clear understanding that the military-political catastrophe in Novorossia can lead to dire consequences already in Russia itself. Therefore, there are really not so many reasons for optimism and not only in Europe (which, like Russia, will pay in full for the war unleashed by the USA).
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  1. Fedya
    Fedya 21 November 2014 06: 48
    +5
    Calm down! To join in, you need to settle the boundaries! Accordingly, Crimea will have to recognize Russia.
    1. Oleg NSK
      Oleg NSK 21 November 2014 06: 57
      +12
      Russia needs a "XNUMX% guarantee"


      ... what is he talking about ... from anyone interested, you can get such a guarantee ... any "100% guarantee" from the mouth of the West, a deliberate lie ...
      ... a strong army and navy are single guarantee
      ... push, push and push ... pushing back ... while there is a threat to the state, and any negotiations ... only on the subject of concessions on their part
      1. Renat
        Renat 21 November 2014 07: 10
        +4
        I agree with you. They will give a guarantee. Only eggs eaten it is not worth it.
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 21 November 2014 07: 17
          0
          I respect Rozhin (colonelcassad).
          By the way, about 100% availability of the "Voentorg" - that is. our troops in the southeast of Ukraine, it is he who claims this.
          1. Canep
            Canep 21 November 2014 07: 33
            +7
            After the United States unilaterally withdraws from the ABM treaty, I think that signing some kind of treaties with the US is pointless; in fact, they have proved their inability to fulfill the treaties. The guarantee of Ukraine’s not joining NATO is its territorial problems, or the entry of ALL of Ukraine into the Russian Federation, or at least most of it.
            1. PPL
              PPL 21 November 2014 08: 23
              +1
              Quote: Canep
              ... signing some kind of agreements with the US is pointless ...

              And if you don’t sign, as Gorbachev once believed in the word, then there’s nothing to talk about. request
              And as regards guarantees that Ukraine will not join NATO, I agree that it will remain a part of Russia, such thoughts even in the inflamed brain of powders and other Yatsenyuk did not arise.
          2. WKS
            WKS 21 November 2014 12: 54
            +1
            Quote: mirag2
            I respect Rozhin (colonelcassad).
            By the way, about 100% availability of the "Voentorg" - that is. our troops in the southeast of Ukraine, it is he who claims this.

            In unison with Cameron and the Kiev authorities.
        2. andj61
          andj61 21 November 2014 08: 38
          +10
          In the current conditions of the collapse of the old world order, the only worthy guarantee (apart from the ultimatum nuclear guarantee) of "NATO's expansion" to Ukraine is its own (and not the American) puppet regime in Kiev, its own, not foreign bases on the territory of the former "united Ukraine", own (and not someone else's) work with the masses and elite groups.

          Here is the answer about the guarantee! The best air defense system is, as you know, our tanks at enemy airfields, and the guarantee of Russian (Soviet - this is the same!) Security for a little less than half a century was the Western Group of Forces (or GSVG) with headquarters in Wünsdorf. And it’s not at all in Ukraine! The very existence of Russia as a great power is a challenge to the United States. The subjugation and dismemberment of Russia is their distant goal. Not letting it be done is our task.
        3. WKS
          WKS 21 November 2014 12: 52
          0
          Quote: Fedya
          Calm down! To join in, you need to settle the boundaries! Accordingly, Crimea will have to recognize Russia.
          And you think that in this case Ukraine can be allowed to join NATO?
      2. Wheel
        Wheel 21 November 2014 11: 32
        +8
        A 100% guarantee of Ukraine’s non-membership in NATO is the absence of Ukraine as such.
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    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 21 November 2014 07: 51
      +3
      In order to explain the stinginess of the situation to stupid Americans, it is necessary to build missile bases in Cuba, Guatemala, and to say that these missiles are not against America, but against the DPRK, igil, and other crap, and still conduct military exercises near the borders of the United States. No, this is not against you, in any case! smile
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar 21 November 2014 08: 45
        +2
        Why is D.U.R.A.K. What nafig from these larva there can be guarantees ???? Today they are Vasya - tomorrow Vasilisa ....
      2. WKS
        WKS 21 November 2014 12: 57
        +1
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        In order to explain the stinginess of the situation to stupid Americans, it is necessary to build missile bases in Cuba, Guatemala, and to say that these missiles are not against America, but against the DPRK, igil, and other crap, and still conduct military exercises near the borders of the United States. No, this is not against you, in any case! smile
        It is very expensive. It is better to keep several nuclear submarines with a full set near the US coast to protect against the Lithuanian attack on the Kaliningrad region.
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 21 November 2014 10: 27
      0
      Peskov deliberately uttered this mistake to show that if no one gives us such guarantees, and no one gives them, then we will have our hands untied when the situation in Ukraine is resolved, in general, a tricky move with its apparent simplicity.
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  2. Stoler
    Stoler 21 November 2014 06: 49
    +6
    As soon as Russia "unhooking" from Ukraine, NATO will be there, regardless of any guarantees.
  3. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 21 November 2014 06: 51
    +1
    official Westernism (as an idea, as a development paradigm and lifestyle) at full speed entered the wall of the military-political confrontation with the West, which the ideologists of the 90 course do not know how to resolve

    It made fun. Original
    And in the spirit of the article "A world without rules"
    http://topwar.ru/62925-mir-bez-pravil.html#comment-id-3649164
  4. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 21 November 2014 06: 53
    +3
    Our happy "tomorrow" should be in our hands and depend on our desires, and not on the opinion of the West, which absolutely cannot be trusted. Because the concept "Katz said - Katz did" has not existed there for a long time. Therefore, you need to live according to your own concepts, then you will not have to reproach yourself with the fact that "I believed you ... you promised." Western democracy is a false, hypocritical concept, from which all the troubles in the world originate!
    1. andj61
      andj61 21 November 2014 08: 49
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Our happy "tomorrow" should be in our hands and depend on our desires, and not on the opinion of the West, which absolutely cannot be trusted. Because the concept "Katz said - Katz did" has not existed there for a long time.

      Actually, not "Katz said - Katz did", but "Katz offers to surrender!" laughing
      I completely agree with you - They do not understand any counter-concessions, mutual goodwill, etc. If you are ready to make concessions, then you are weak - and that’s it! Show firmness - they will simply respect you more!
      Our happy tomorrow is only in our hands!
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 21 November 2014 09: 25
        +2
        It is easy to show firmness when everything is fixed "both at the front and in the rear." And our rear now (thanks to the liberal government of Aifonchik!) Is a complete ass. So it doesn’t work - the frail little hands don’t pull a pound weight - and don’t pick it up, and don’t throw it up.
  5. Balamyt
    Balamyt 21 November 2014 06: 53
    0
    Of course we need guarantees! An example of the collapse of the USSR, and the unification of Germany, taught us! Being the master of your word, in the understanding of the West and the USA, means that you can refuse it at any time!
    So you need at least dokument!
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 21 November 2014 09: 26
      +3
      These "documents" are not even worth the ink they are signed with
    2. Penelope
      Penelope 21 November 2014 11: 44
      +1
      The Yankees have not given anyone any guarantees for a long time.
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  6. koksalek
    koksalek 21 November 2014 06: 54
    +2
    And who in Russia actually requires such guarantees? Is there a specific person and not a veiled word Russia? Or is it some tricky move?
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 21 November 2014 12: 39
      +1
      "Voice acting" from the press secretary of Peskov
  7. Bronik
    Bronik 21 November 2014 06: 55
    +1
    The price of friendship with the United States, like that of a reusable dress, is 4,5 million rubles. We do not need castoffs, there is someone to be friends with.
  8. Svetovod
    Svetovod 21 November 2014 06: 57
    +4
    The USA has grabbed dead in Ukraine - IT MEANS VERY IMPORTANT.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 21 November 2014 12: 41
      +1
      Of course, it is important - for Vice President Biden to attach his son, a drug addict to a "bread" position in a "commercial" structure
  9. shishakova
    shishakova 21 November 2014 06: 57
    +1
    Peskov said: - A XNUMX% guarantee from all countries about the inadmissibility of NATO bases in Ukraine.
    There is no need to think about it - this is possible only in one case, if Novorossiya becomes part of Russia. There is no reason for pessimism - smart "political players" always win.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 21 November 2014 12: 42
      0
      Or their bluff gets all-in
  10. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 21 November 2014 06: 59
    +7
    "Only an insurance policy can give a 100 percent guarantee" - Ostap Bender
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 21 November 2014 12: 44
      0
      And that's not a fact - the insurance will not be insurance, if it does not "squeeze" from the compensation in its favor.
  11. Semenov
    Semenov 21 November 2014 07: 10
    +1
    "Opportunities make sense, not intentions." Word and deed in the West parted long ago; there was also a written non-aggression pact with Germany.
  12. Same lech
    Same lech 21 November 2014 07: 10
    +2
    The authorities have been struggling with this entertaining paradox for almost half a year, maneuvering, maneuvering, making concessions as necessary, turning on the military staff if necessary, but they could not jump out of the bounds of the obvious fork.

    It's right
  13. ochakow703
    ochakow703 21 November 2014 07: 15
    +3
    Do not trust, do not fear, do not ask. Law taiga and bear. Even the GDP itself expressed this thesis quite clearly. He must be followed.
  14. wanderer
    wanderer 21 November 2014 07: 20
    +2
    Something became funny to me - GUARANTEES. This word is clearly not from the NATO vocabulary.
  15. SAHALIN
    SAHALIN 21 November 2014 07: 24
    +1
    Quote: Fedya
    Calm down! To join in, you need to settle the boundaries! Accordingly, Crimea will have to recognize Russia.

    And what, the recognition of Crimea for Russia gives reason for peace ???????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????
  16. zero12005
    zero12005 21 November 2014 07: 30
    +2
    A hackneyed topic. Everyone understands everything as well as we do. We needed a pretext to withdraw from the treaty on conventional arms in Europe, we got it. Therefore, he voiced the topic of the Sands, and not someone higher. You don’t take Jen Psaki’s comments seriously, so Peskov demonstrated that we can also include the "fool".
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 November 2014 07: 36
    +1
    That they can play by any rules. Our deviation from the rules will entail a worldwide howl, conviction of all sins and so on. Therefore, wherever possible we try to adhere to the general rules of the game, so as not to aggravate the situation. But sooner or later you have to step back from the rules. I hope that by this time everything will be ready for us to reflect the consequences.
  18. fomkin
    fomkin 21 November 2014 07: 41
    +4
    I liked the article, as expected, insight begins. As for the fools in the Kremlin or not fools. Then where is our army and navy ?. And so in the sense of their pockets certainly are not fools.
  19. Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 21 November 2014 07: 46
    +4
    Warranties from the US and NATO, we already passed in the late 80s, an empty phrase. Our guarantees can only be a strong army and navy, strong special services and law enforcement agencies, strong and honest government. And the United States should not create real obstacles and their allies, and seize the initiative in the struggle. Plant in the Baltic states, Moldova, in Little Russia / without Galicia / controlled and controlled friendly regimes. Then there will be guarantees that NATO will be at least on the borders of the former USSR. I think we can do it . The combined war has not yet been canceled.
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 21 November 2014 09: 31
      +1
      Especially important is the "educational" influence on the Baltos, otherwise Grybauskaite has already lost her scent altogether.
  20. parusnik
    parusnik 21 November 2014 07: 47
    +3
    In my opinion, the chances of getting such guarantees and especially waiting for their fulfillment are somewhere in the region of absolute zero... What guarantees ... from the West ... Hitler, according to the Moscow Treaty of 1939 (for whom the Molotov-Ribentropp Pact, for me the Moscow Treaty, is the official name of the document), promised not to attack the USSR for 25 years, attacked two years later and early in the morning ...
  21. dr.star75
    dr.star75 21 November 2014 08: 16
    0
    As one general said: the best air defenses are their tanks at enemy airfields. In this case, the guarantee of Ukraine’s not joining NATO is Ukraine’s joining Russia. All other warranties are not 100%. Maybe Peskov hints at this?
  22. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 21 November 2014 08: 28
    +1
    They can promise. Gentlemen always play by the rules and do not cheat ( wassat ), But when the rules do not suit modern "gentlemen", they change the rules for themselves. hi
  23. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 21 November 2014 09: 39
    +1
    Do you think stupid people there and they don’t know the price of guarantees from the USA? They are diplomats; their task is to pull the rubber; they perform it. Whatever guarantees they offer, they still need to be discussed, they must be evaluated, rejected, and the frost grows stronger and people run wild without money.
    Yes, and the more guarantees and commitments NATO has, the more difficult it is for him to live, the resource of US pressure on the allies is involved very strongly, it annoys many of them, they raise the price for their friendship and support, they look into each other’s mouths if the neighbor didn’t get more for the same thing, as a result, the overlord can hold back.
    Czechs and Hungarians want gingerbreads as Germans, so they’re scolding, you don’t think that they are friends to us, but they are friends in politics and they don’t need them as soon as a burden; , here a normal capitalist greed is needed, destroy the alliances of enemies using their weaknesses.
  24. Stinger
    Stinger 21 November 2014 10: 02
    0
    As Bender said, only an insurance policy can give a full guarantee. Therefore, it is important to play safe.
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 21 November 2014 10: 13
      +2
      Quote: Stinger
      A full guarantee can only be given by an insurance policy.

      Pathologist gives a full guarantee
      1. Oldwiser
        Oldwiser 21 November 2014 12: 49
        0
        That's for sure - an autopsy shows everything
  25. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 21 November 2014 10: 14
    +2
    It is utter nonsense to demand some guarantees from the West, it is time for Russia to leave kindergarten age and stop believing in the good uncle of the West, when, where and what guarantees the West gave to Russia and honestly fulfilled them, it can only be done in business and then with deceit, but in politics there wasn’t when, all the guarantees of the West turned out to be a complete deception for Russia how many times you could fall into the same trap.
  26. Signature
    Signature 21 November 2014 11: 07
    +2
    I often come across - in polemical statements on VO - this wording "sit on two chairs". As a rule, accompanied by assessments: "impossible", "uncomfortable", "impossible", "shameful", etc.
    That is, the general opinion (deeply balanced both in practice and in theory) states directly that sitting on two chairs is a complete inconvenience. However, it’s inconvenient - yes, but it’s not stupid for myself in the opinion of ... especially advanced.
    And now the most interesting thing is: can a person - already habitually hovering between two chairs (de facto "over the precipice in the rye") - in principle - well, EVERYWHERE - make a certain decision, if he somehow in an incredible way, you managed to securely fit "between two chairs" and not even feel ... in this position, in any way compromised?
    1. Oldwiser
      Oldwiser 21 November 2014 12: 52
      +1
      With the same success, this "person" can create a local "space-gravitational anomaly" (with the disappearance of gravity in the zone of "two chairs") laughing
  27. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 21 November 2014 12: 49
    0
    All Western zas.ransy- drunks are not, this is not the 90s. And I think very serious people are sitting in the Kremlin, which is proved by all previous events.
  28. kuz363
    kuz363 21 November 2014 16: 58
    -1
    Fools learn from their mistakes, smart from the mistakes of others. Russia mainly followed the first path. Someone hopes for rules for joining NATO. These rules can be changed, make additions, exceptions. Europeans are big entertainers. In the end, bilateral treaties can be concluded between Ukraine and other Western countries on military assistance and troop deployment. What should Russia do in this case? Of course, Russia is tied with gas to the EU, which means its budget for another tens of years. For comparison, the US budget for 2013 is $ 3,8 trillion, Russia - $ 400 billion. Those. 10 times less !!! From 400 mld. 60 mln for European gas, i.e. 15%. And together with gas and oil make up 50% of the budget! The EU does not even need to fight. Just refuse to buy energy and that's it. All the same, they have overproduction of goods. A replacement will be found quickly, well, maybe the belts on the tummies are a little tightened. But it’s worth it to ruin Russia forever.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 21 November 2014 22: 31
      0
      $ 3,8 trillion puffy wrappers! By the way, your tsifiri are very underestimated.
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 21 November 2014 22: 31
      0
      $ 3,8 trillion puffy wrappers! By the way, your tsifiri are very underestimated.
    3. Wheel
      Wheel 22 November 2014 00: 20
      0
      Quote: kuz363
      From 400 mld. 60 mln for European gas, i.e. 15%.

      You're wrong. For all gas delivered to Europe (without Ukraine and Belarus), revenue for 2013 amounted to 65 billion greens.
      Quote: kuz363
      The EU does not even need to fight. Just refuse to buy energy and that's it. All the same, they have overproduction of goods. A replacement will be found quickly, well, maybe the belts on the tummies are a little tightened. But it’s worth it to ruin Russia forever.

      And again you are mistaken.
      In order to abandon Russian energy, it requires big dibs to rebuild infrastructure and time, time, time ...
  29. Earnest
    Earnest 21 November 2014 19: 58
    0
    Quote: kuz363
    Fools learn from their mistakes, smart from the mistakes of others ... In the end, you can conclude bilateral agreements between Ukraine and other Western countries on military assistance and troop deployment ... But it’s worth it to ruin Russia forever.

    And there are fools who have learned a lot of things, but it seems they have not learned. You read their posts and try to understand if they are your enemies or friends ...
    And so kuz363, wrote something so abstruse that I personally see in his post a Russophobe and a maydanuty, moreover, the most censorship-dreamy injury. Here's how to take a geyropa and send NATO troops to the outskirts, let’s stop buying oil and gas from us, that's all belay Again, blond beasts and dummies trample black earth, oil costs 250 amers for half a barrel (Qatari and Saudis weep with happiness), Putin is trying on a mausoleum ... Well, ingenious, applause to the prophet!
  30. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 21 November 2014 22: 27
    0
    Guaranteed non-entry of Ruins into NATO - New Russia !!!