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Mosquito Yellow-Blakytny


Ukraine lost almost all the ships of the Black Sea fleet; the maximum that the country is capable of today is to replenish the fleet with boats

"The submarine in the steppes of Ukraine died in an unequal battle." Many probably still in Soviet times heard this mocking expression, designed to emphasize the absurdity of a situation. Jokes on the topic “Ukraine - Sea Power” were extremely popular in the post-Soviet period, since from the point of view of the average Russian inhabitant, the phrase “Naval Force of Ukraine” is an oxymoron - even if the country has access to the sea, however, no naval traditions among Ukrainians , they say, is not available, and the Black Sea Fleet is obliged exclusively to the Russians for all its glory.

In Kiev, considered otherwise. Appealing to the sea campaigns of the Zaporozhye Cossacks, which terrified the Ottoman possessions, when not a single ship was built in Russia, the Ukrainian authorities, after the collapse of the USSR, proclaimed a course to create their own naval forces on the basis of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet. His fate was not spelled out in the Belovezhskaya 1991 agreements of the year, which led to a six-year battle of Moscow and Kiev, during which the parties more than once found themselves on the verge of open confrontation.

Finally, in 1997, in Kiev, final intergovernmental agreements were signed on the status and conditions of the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the territory of Ukraine, on the parameters of the division of the Black Sea Fleet, on mutual settlements related to the division of the Russian fleet and on the Ukrainian territory. By that time, the fleet consisted of 383 surface warships, 56 battle boats, 49 special purpose ships, 190 support ships, 5 submarines, all in all - 655 units. As a result, Ukraine received 30 warships and boats, one submarine, 90 combat aircraft, 6 special purpose ships, and 28 support vessels.

By 2013, the quantitative composition of the Ukrainian fleet did not actually change: by that time there were 15 thousand people in its ranks, more than 70 warships, support vessels and boats, about 30 planes and helicopters, 40 tanks, more than 90 infantry fighting vehicles, about 190 armored personnel carriers and more than 60 artillery systems and mortars.

Though it is sluggish, Ukraine nevertheless made some efforts to maintain its reputation as a naval power. The Kirov patrol laid down during the USSR was completed. Renamed the “Hetman Sagaydachny” and re-qualified as a frigate, he became the flagship of the Ukrainian fleet. At the same time, attempts were made to return to operation the only Ukrainian submarine, the Zaporozhye. But during the 20 years, a submarine launched as early as 1970 was only once launched into the sea to sink to the periscope depth. For the rest of the time, it was mostly under repair, for which more than 60 million hryvnia was spent (at that time about 300 million rubles), serving as a subject for countless jokes about the “submarine forces of Ukraine”.


The frigate of the Ukrainian Navy "Hetman Sagaidachny." Photo: Alexey Pavlishak / TASS


The Ukraine-launched missile cruiser, which Kiev inherited only by 75%, was actually completed by the end of the 90's, but since the Ukrainians still had no money for its complete set, decided to sell the ship. Long bargaining with Moscow did not lead to anything. During the presidency of Viktor Yanukovych, the Ukrainian authorities seemed to have decided to give up the cruiser for nothing, but circumstances, as we know, have changed and now the ship continues to rust at the Shipyard named after 61 of the communard in Nikolaev. The cost of completing the construction of the cruiser is estimated at $ 200 million, but spending this money no longer makes any sense — the ship is morally and physically obsolete.

The ambitions of the Ukrainian authorities are reflected in the laying in the 2011 of the year at the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant in Nikolaev of the first corvette of the 58250 project of the “Haiduk” type, named “Vladimir the Great”. It was planned that before the 2026 of the year 12 of such ships with a displacement of 2,65 thousands of tons and worth € 200 – 230 million each will be built. Arms for the ship, the Ukrainian authorities were going to buy from France and Italy. But in the summer of 2014 of the year at the parliamentary hearings in the Verkhovna Rada, Acting Minister of Defense of Ukraine Ivan Rusnak announced that a decision was made to suspend the financing of the construction of corvettes, although the program itself, he said, was not removed from the agenda.

In addition, in 2012, at the Leninskaya Kuznitsa plant in Kiev, two armored boats of the Gyurza-M project were laid, of which nine were planned to be built before 2017. Earlier, the plant had already built such boats for Uzbek border guards. A year later, the Ministry of Defense, however, terminated the agreement with the plant, explaining its refusal to the unsatisfactory quality of the enterprise. But since “Leninskaya smithy” is included in the “Ukrprominvest” group of the current president, Petro Poroshenko, we can expect the resumption of work.

Unclear prospects for the development of the Ukrainian Navy became even more vague after Russia's annexation of the Crimea in March of this year. It was in Sevastopol that most of the ships of the Ukrainian fleet were based — the overwhelming majority of them chose to raise the St. Andrew’s flag and join the Russian fleet — this applies to all missile boats and corvettes, minesweepers, landing craft and anti-submarine forces. True, as Igor Tenyukh, then Minister of Defense, declared at the time, only the Corvette Ternopil, the Slavutych command ship and the Konstantin Olshansky large landing ship were effective from all Russian trophies.

By early April, the Ukrainian Navy had only two warships. "Getman Sagaidachny" at the time of the transition of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Russia was in the Mediterranean Sea (before that he participated in the anti-piracy operation of NATO off the coast of Africa) and, returning to the Black Sea, headed for Odessa. It was there that the main base of the Ukrainian Navy was transferred from the Crimea.

In Odessa there was also a Skadovsk patrol boat, the second of the remaining at that time warships of Ukraine. Three support vessels and five boats were based in Odessa and Ochakovo. The Ukrainian border guards managed to withdraw the equipment and weapons of the Kerch, Sevastopol and Yalta detachments of the Marine Guard in advance from Crimea - 12 boats went to Odessa, and 11 - to Mariupol. At the disposal of the fleet and the marine brigade aviation.


The ship of the Ukrainian Navy "Slavutich" in Sevastopol raised the Russian flag. Photo: Stanislav Krasilnikov / TASS


But it's not only in the combat equipment. In the Crimea, along with the ships, the main cartographic and navigation units, radio intelligence, ammunition depots remained. And out of the 600 marines, only 200 people agreed to continue service under the Ukrainian flag.

From April to July, Russia returned more than thirty ships to Ukraine, including the Vinnitsa corvette. The transfer of fleet assets ceased in early July, when President Petro Poroshenko ordered the resumption of the antiterrorist operation in the Donbas. Thus, as of today, the Ukrainian fleet, which even before the Crimean events was in fact a coastal (coastal) flotilla, is represented by one flagship frigate, the Hetman Sagaidachny, the corvette Vinnitsa and a pair of dozens of boats.

This state of affairs does not bother the Ukrainian authorities. In late October, Poroshenko, arriving on a working visit to Odessa, said that Ukraine would modernize its navy and equip it with modern weapons. “Today, there are developments in modernizing ships, equipping them with high-precision weapons, new means of electronic warfare, which will make these ships more efficient,” said the head of state, adding that updating existing fleet units is more appropriate and efficient than building new ones. According to Poroshenko, the costs of fleet modernization are provided for in the state defense order for 2015 year.

After Poroshenko’s statement, rumors came to life that in Nikolaev they are considering the possibility of resuming the project for the construction of Ukrainian corvettes. On November 4, the Black Sea Shipyard was visited by Advisor to the President of Ukraine Yuri Biryukov, who was informed that the corvette’s technical readiness was about 17%, in particular, all the hull blocks and partly the ship's superstructure were made. To continue the construction, experts say, it is necessary to resume funding work in full from the beginning of 2015. It’s hard to believe that the necessary funds will be allocated - the state only this year owed Nikolaev shipbuilders the 500 million hryvnia “corvette” project.

“The naval forces of Ukraine no longer have the number of ships and auxiliary vessels deployed in the Crimea,” says Andrei Lysenko, head of the Information Center of the Security Council of Ukraine. - Even after the division of the Black Sea Fleet, we inherited not the newest ships. We got 10 – 12 ships of more or less new quality. We need years without pink dreams to restore our fleet, the Ukrainian one. To date, the most combat-ready are the naval units of the border troops, which now bear almost complete responsibility and control over the marine spaces that we have left. This is from Odessa, this direction and further to the Black Sea. ”


The former Ukrainian submarine "Zaporozhye" became part of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, the sailors threw the caps of the Ukrainian Navy into the water. Photo: Krasilnikov Stanislav / TASS


To the question whether Ukraine needs its own navy, and if so, which one, no one can give an answer yet. There is no money for the construction of new ships in Kiev, but to modernize what is left is a risky business: the fate of the Zaporozhye is an example. Ukraine, of course, can take an example from other Black Sea countries - Bulgaria and Romania. The latter acquired two British frigates of the 2011 project in 22, and Bulgaria bought three Belgian Vilingen frigates in 2004 – 2008. There is still hope for the ships that were decommissioned from the fleets of the United States or Great Britain, which can be obtained as military assistance against the background of an aggravation of Western relations with Russia. But where are all these ships based and who to serve them?

Odessa Sea Port is considered one of the largest passenger terminals in Europe (the third in terms of cargo turnover on the Black Sea). The infrastructure in the port allows to accommodate up to five medium displacement warships (up to 5000 tons), as well as the required number of small ships and boats, but most of the facilities on the coast are outdated and require serious renovation. Even taking into account the fact that part of the ships can be stationed in Ochakovo, there is no reason to talk about the presence of the same material base for the fleet that existed in Sevastopol.

“She (Odessa), of course, will accept all the ships of the Russian Navy, but the fleet basing is, above all, a powerful infrastructure,” said a military expert in March, and subsequently the coordinator of the Information Resistance group, Dmitry Tymchuk. “We will need warehouses for storing ammunition, at least minimal repair facilities, protected and well-functioning communications.”

As for personnel, in June, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine created a faculty of naval forces and a military training department of the Nautical College on the basis of the Odessa National Maritime Academy. By that time 103 cadets and 16 teachers had moved from Sevastopol to Odessa, which accounted for 40% of students and 25% of officers from the whole academy. It is planned that the practice of Ukrainian cadets will be held on NATO ships. But experts spoke about the shortage of qualified naval personnel in Ukraine even before the Crimean crisis, and the situation has hardly changed for the better since then.

Under the conditions of tough financial economy, shortage of personnel and neglect of the fleet infrastructure, Ukraine seems to have only one choice - to give up ambitions to have a fleet on the Black Sea, although from a distance comparable to that of Russia in combat power, and, like Iran in its time, focus on creating "Mosquito fleet", making a bet on rocket, torpedo boats and other ships of small tonnage. And, perhaps, the existing, albeit very sad for Kiev, circumstances will lead to the emergence of the Ukrainian Navy at least some kind of doctrine. At least, its fleet did not fulfill its function, prescribed in the maritime doctrine of Ukraine from 2009 of the year - in terms of "ensuring the territorial integrity of the country" and the "inviolability of its state border at sea".
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  1. zao74
    zao74 21 November 2014 15: 00
    +43
    The attitude towards the Ukrainian Navy in the film "72 meters" by actor Krasko is very well shown.
    1. nikrandel
      nikrandel 21 November 2014 15: 05
      +20
      I offer the ukrovskie "friends" the scheme of the sahaidachny frigate land ship, because what the hell is not kidding, you will remain without access to the sea at such a pace laughing
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      4. Stalker
        Stalker 21 November 2014 16: 43
        +20
        I offer the ukrovskie "friends" the scheme of the sahaidachny frigate land ship, because what the hell is not kidding, you will remain without access to the sea at such a pace

        And aviation and armored forces by means of copulation will give out a hybrid which the world did not know, and Russia will cease to sleep peacefully at night !!!!
        True prototype has not yet learned to fly. But over him the Ukrainian puffs intensified from a strain. MIC !!!

        And jokes .... hi

        Self-proclaimed States of America. laughing

        64% of Americans cannot find Ukraine on the map.
        It's okay, soon no one will find her.

        Didn’t she die? ... Wait ... am

        The koala that hugged Putin, after returning to the forest, was unanimously elected king of the beasts ...

        Odessa courtyard.
        - No, well, can you imagine, Semyon Markovich! For four months I was preparing, eating ginseng root! Today Sarochka went to congratulate, but there is no erection!
        - It happens, Yakov Lvovich! We, too, have been feeding the army for 23 years, and as they came along, it isn’t there!

        Parashenko arrived in Lviv. Driving past the Lviv Bus Plant. He sees a hole in the fence. Shows with a finger: "Close Laz!" That's it, there is no more factory.
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 21 November 2014 18: 04
          +5
          "The submarine in the steppes of Ukraine died in an unequal battle"


          The correct expression, and even in rhyme, will be:

          Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine
          lost in unequal aerial combat
          1. RESEARCHER
            RESEARCHER 21 November 2014 19: 08
            +7
            And if the fleet is more dumb, then why do they need the sea now ???
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 21 November 2014 20: 26
          +2
          And jokes .... hi

          Well, thanks, smiled!
        3. BLACK-SHARK-64
          BLACK-SHARK-64 23 November 2014 10: 38
          0
          neighing so a little ...... smiling
      5. vtnsk
        vtnsk 22 November 2014 02: 10
        0
        Where are the oxen that will be used to create "propulsion" in the absence of wind? ... laughing
      6. mmk
        mmk 22 November 2014 07: 05
        0
        The photo is relevant, since for 23 years the money went not clear where, and the army turned into de-mo and disgrace. When there are no mattresses in the army, which ships can we talk about?
    2. insafufa
      insafufa 21 November 2014 15: 22
      +3
      good well noticed
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 November 2014 15: 23
      +9
      "A submarine in the steppes of Ukraine died in an unequal battle." Many probably in Soviet times heard this mocking expression ..

      lol This expression in Soviet times sounded like this: "The submarine in the steppes of Ukraine has always won in air battles" laughing and characterized by various absurdities.
    4. max702
      max702 21 November 2014 15: 34
      +34
      Quote: zao74
      The attitude towards the Ukrainian Navy in the film "72 meters" by actor Krasko is very well shown.

      And here is this episode ..
      1. AndreyRS
        AndreyRS 21 November 2014 16: 11
        +7
        max 702 - thank you. I watched the plot with great pleasure.
      2. morprepud
        morprepud 21 November 2014 18: 14
        +2
        max702 (1)
        Thank you!
      3. stonks
        stonks 21 November 2014 18: 22
        +10
        zao74 and max702!
        Guys, thanks for this episode from "72 meters".
        The fact is that I have not seen this film. and now I watched the video - even in my chest it was cold ...

        By the way, I then encountered such a case.
        I met a friend cap-2. I ask if I took the SECOND Oath. He was embarrassed, but said that there was nowhere to go - they promised to kick him out of a warm place. And then family, children ...
        I did not remind him of the honor of the officer. I realized that it was useless.
      4. Aljavad
        Aljavad 21 November 2014 20: 32
        0
        AndreyRS RU Today, 16:11 ↑
        max 702 - thank you. I watched the plot with great pleasure.

        What else to say? soldier
      5. BLACK-SHARK-64
        BLACK-SHARK-64 23 November 2014 10: 45
        0
        great movie......................
    5. Juborg
      Juborg 21 November 2014 16: 03
      +14
      Do not underestimate the adversary, no matter how strange it is to hear it, but Ukraine and Ukraine have become adversaries and hostile to our country. In fact, when they left the former USSR, they essentially only increased their hostility to us, only we, out of stupidity or naivety, did not want to believe it, "brothers!" Fleet and infrastructure, things are fixable and fixable. Remember the formation of the RSFSR, everything was built from scratch, from the very beginning, but the same money was not enough, plus other delights did not want to trade with us, and nevertheless, they built and restored. We need not to calm ourselves down, but to build up our fleet and infrastructure, etc., and to put a spoke in the wheel of an adversary, to destroy and sabotage his industry, economy, to facilitate the disconnection of all Black Sea territories.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 21 November 2014 17: 37
        +4
        Quote: juborg
        Ukrainian and Ukrainian citizens have become adversaries and hostile to our country.

        Do not, like that, from the shoulder in a hurry. Firstly, there is a large percentage (in my opinion 25-30%, who did not succumb to zombies of Ukrainians (with a capital letter)). Yes, these are mainly people over 40 years old. But youth must be fought. Yes, it’s difficult, the image of the enemy from Russia is rubbed methodically. Now they are in euphoria, with one foot already in the EU, the other even further ... A hangover will be difficult, treat drinks
        1. Juborg
          Juborg 21 November 2014 19: 58
          +5
          Dear Semyon Semyonitch, it does not seem strange to you that Slovaks, Hungarians, Czechs, like the same kind of rubbed into the brain not love for Russia, but nevertheless they behave more friendly and adequate than these so-called "brothers!" Almost all 23 years existed at the expense of Russia (no matter how 200 yards we have invested and invested in them!), In contrast to Europe with minke whales, which for all the time have invested in the economy of an independent Ukraine, no more than 300 million, for that in brainwashing only the United States (according to media reports!) has invested more than 5 billion. Regarding the percentage with brains, perhaps you are right, but something is hard to believe, judging by the conversation with relatives (from there), communication on the network, videos of Novorossiya TV channels with interviews about the situation in the same Mariupol, Zaporozhye, Odessa, I am already silent about Kiev. So, the fact that we profiled in Ukraine is a fact. There is only one conclusion, to do everything possible to deprive this pseudo-state of access to the Black Sea, and completely or partially destroy its industry, together with the military industry in the first place, and tear off as many territories as possible from the former Ukraine.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 21 November 2014 16: 37
      +5
      Ordered to the Navy in 2015? Yes, they will have no sea in a year. laughing There is New Russia.
    7. Leviton
      Leviton 21 November 2014 17: 06
      +2
      Their "overseas friends" won't let them be left without a fleet ... the Americans need a base closer to ours. Their nosebleeds need to maintain a "controlled chaos regime" plus the Montreux convention with an uncomfortable 21 days for them like a sickle ... and here they will place almost their ships, and certainly with their advisers (who have a decisive vote)
    8. Denis fj
      Denis fj 21 November 2014 17: 18
      +1
      What kind of fleet is there, what will they do with it? They would make ends meet there, or even that, and look, they would die from cold and hunger. So ships are now for them, unreasonable luxury. They are not even able to buy gas for the winter for themselves normally, so let them forget about the ships, submarines and Crimea.
      1. Viktor Kudinov
        Viktor Kudinov 21 November 2014 17: 37
        0
        However, they can rely on a freebie - they can be presented with NATO ships to be disposed of. Well, with Poroshenko’s prayers, happiness is not in the new ships, but in the modernization of the old ones. wassat
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 21 November 2014 22: 31
          0
          Quote: Victor Kudinov
          However, they can rely on a freebie - they can be presented with NATO ships to be disposed of.

          Want to ruin a small country? Give her a cruiser!
          1. vtnsk
            vtnsk 22 November 2014 02: 16
            0
            In the original - "aircraft carrier" ... smile
        2. vtnsk
          vtnsk 22 November 2014 02: 15
          0
          Quote: Victor Kudinov
          they can rely on a freebie - they can be presented with NATO ships to be disposed of

          For resale to the Chinese for scrap? "About tse dilo" ... laughing
  2. Evgen2x
    Evgen2x 21 November 2014 15: 03
    +8
    Yeah! Fleet))) rolled out his lip! there is no money for railings for tanks, but they are a fleet))) So, of course, let them build, no matter how fun they are, if only they don’t climb into New Russia!
    1. jjj
      jjj 21 November 2014 15: 39
      +2
      Quote: Evgen2x
      fencing for tanks

      Very cleverly noticed. In this case, the tower acts as a monument to the "caterpillar mass grave"
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 21 November 2014 16: 13
        +1
        Fences immediately painted in yellow-black colors!
  3. fridge
    fridge 21 November 2014 15: 04
    +17
    Get from the Black Sea dill. angry
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 November 2014 15: 27
      +7
      Quote: refrigerator
      Get from the Black Sea dill. angry

      And not only dill! The heavy attack missile cruiser "Moskva" (home port of Sevastopol) is a very good reason for such a statement! hi The Black Sea is our sea! good
      1. fridge
        fridge 21 November 2014 15: 59
        +1
        I agree with you 100% yes
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      3. Sailor
        Sailor 21 November 2014 16: 36
        +1
        This is a naval battle ship, it is not multifunctional, but if during the next modernization the "volcano" is replaced by a "caliber" then it will be excellent.
    2. bif
      bif 21 November 2014 15: 40
      +4
      Quote: refrigerator
      Geth from the Black Sea dill

      What state - such and the fleet, or rather no!
  4. 70BSN
    70BSN 21 November 2014 15: 05
    +5
    especially when the "Orchestra, Slavyanka's Farewell" was leaving good
  5. Giant thought
    Giant thought 21 November 2014 15: 07
    +5
    Ukraine will never have a normal navy, they don’t even have naval traditions, so there can be no talk of a navy.
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 21 November 2014 15: 55
      +7
      Does it awaken itself, Ukraine? That is the question.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 21 November 2014 18: 27
        +2
        And she never was.
  6. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 21 November 2014 15: 10
    +8
    No, pride will not allow them to prescribe the Navy's mosquito doctrine based on missile boats.
    They definitely need to be cooler than the Russian Navy.

    1. Varyag_1973
      Varyag_1973 21 November 2014 15: 59
      +7
      For MainBeam. Not certainly in that way. According to the prevailing dill mentality, their fleet should not be steeper than that of the Russian Federation, but the Russian fleet should be worse than that of the Ruins! As they say: feel the difference!
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 November 2014 17: 53
      0
      Quote: MainBeam
      They definitely need to be cooler than the Russian Navy.

      Want is not harmful.
  7. fridge
    fridge 21 November 2014 15: 11
    +1
    Someone here wildly wishes that Ukraine had a fleet and American "friends" would always graze under our noses. 5 column in one word.
  8. Vend
    Vend 21 November 2014 15: 12
    +10
    Appealing to the sea voyages of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, which terrified the Ottomans, when not a single ship had yet been built in Russia

    Oh well, it was not ships in Russia. But what about the campaigns of Prince Oleg? But what about the pleas of the Horde khans to the Russian princes, to restrain the Novgorod ushkuyns, who instilled fear in the Tatars? Yes, there is no limit delirium and fantasies Ukrainian laughing
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 21 November 2014 17: 54
      +3
      Quote: Wend
      But what about the campaigns of Prince Oleg

      So they wrote Oleg in Ukrainian. Here he would have been offended to hear about it, but "the dead have no shame."
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 21 November 2014 21: 00
      +2
      Oh well, it was not ships in Russia. But what about the campaigns of Prince Oleg? But what about the pleas of the Horde khans to the Russian princes, to restrain the Novgorod ushkuyns, who instilled fear in the Tatars? Yes, there is no limit delirium and fantasies Ukrainian


      I’ll clarify. Oleg is the 9 century, and he is equally Russian and Ukrainian. (Although, according to the passport, he was not Russian at all. Whatever the Varangians, but this is another separate ancient people). Ushkuyniki walked along the rivers.
      But the Cossacks with their sea voyages are a separate motley. Donors followed zipuns no less than the Cossacks. And not later. Moreover, not only in the Black Sea, but also in the Caspian.
      But these helmets declared themselves the descendants of ALL Cossacks, and those that were not their ancestors were not Cossacks at all ...
      So argue with them when the ancient Ukrainians dug up the sea .... request
      1. Vend
        Vend 24 November 2014 10: 15
        0
        Quote: Aljavad
        Oh well, it was not ships in Russia. But what about the campaigns of Prince Oleg? But what about the pleas of the Horde khans to the Russian princes, to restrain the Novgorod ushkuyns, who instilled fear in the Tatars? Yes, there is no limit delirium and fantasies Ukrainian


        I’ll clarify. Oleg is the 9 century, and he is equally Russian and Ukrainian. (Although, according to the passport, he was not Russian at all. Whatever the Varangians, but this is another separate ancient people). Ushkuyniki walked along the rivers.
        But the Cossacks with their sea voyages are a separate motley. Donors followed zipuns no less than the Cossacks. And not later. Moreover, not only in the Black Sea, but also in the Caspian.
        But these helmets declared themselves the descendants of ALL Cossacks, and those that were not their ancestors were not Cossacks at all ...
        So argue with them when the ancient Ukrainians dug up the sea .... request

        Ushkuyniki raided rivers in the Horde, and in the north they walked along the Baltic Sea and the Pomors along the White Sea.
  9. Underwood
    Underwood 21 November 2014 15: 12
    +2
    Quote: refrigerator
    Geth from the Black Sea dill

    why? The Romanians have a fleet, the Bulgarians, it seems, even have one diesel engine in the ranks. Well, with the Turks, these serious effendis are understandable. Are these worse? They also know how to get sick with seasickness.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 November 2014 18: 04
      +1
      Fleets have the right to hold countries participating in the Montreux Convention. Everyone else is walking through the woods! am Ruin including.
      The Nazis did not have enough of their fleet yet! angry
  10. RusDV
    RusDV 21 November 2014 15: 14
    +17
    To date, the Ukrainian Navy is excessively militarized. Why do they need eleven admirals on two ships? smile
  11. Artful73
    Artful73 21 November 2014 15: 15
    +7
    In the last century, the British had a saying: "If you want to ruin a small country, give it a battleship." Ukraine did not even have to donate, they themselves grabbed from natural greed during the division of the Black Sea Fleet.
  12. SAM 5
    SAM 5 21 November 2014 15: 16
    +4
    A new type of Armed Forces Uhrainy must be introduced - gaydomaki or Cossacks of the Navy.
    1. wolf1968
      wolf1968 21 November 2014 15: 22
      +2
      And we will see submarines in the steppes of Ukraine.
      1. Penelope
        Penelope 21 November 2014 15: 52
        +5
        Ukrainian sailors almost drowned the NATO ship during exercises, which indicates the level of their training and the quality of existing weapons.
  13. Eugene
    Eugene 21 November 2014 15: 17
    +2
    I personally observed, in the 90s, how people were being broken. Apartments, ranks, length of service ..... Nichrome !!
  14. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 21 November 2014 15: 18
    +2
    There may be one thing in the world: either Ukrainian, or the fleet. We remember the galloping anti-aircraft missile wink
  15. wolf1968
    wolf1968 21 November 2014 15: 19
    +4
    And the fleet profiled and the army will soon be allowed into the world. Woe to the leaders and woe to the generals.
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 21 November 2014 16: 18
      +1
      To the joy of the foreign black master!
  16. nvn_co
    nvn_co 21 November 2014 15: 19
    +10
    "Sevastopol and Yalta Maritime Guard detachments - 12 boats went to Odessa, and 11 - to Mariupol."That is, if the DPR takes Mariupol, they will have their own Navy?" wink A joke of course, but in every joke ....
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 21 November 2014 21: 06
      0
      That is, if the DNI takes Mariupol they will have their own Navy?

      There is a chance that they will run away to Berdyansk.
      1. vtnsk
        vtnsk 22 November 2014 02: 21
        0
        They will get them in Berdyansk ... smile
  17. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 21 November 2014 15: 24
    0
    Ukraine has only access to the Black and Azov Sea, but not only the military, but the civilian fleet. And at the moment, Ukraine is not able to resolve this issue.
    1. vtnsk
      vtnsk 22 November 2014 02: 22
      0
      While there is. However, like Ukraine itself ... smile
  18. Leonidych
    Leonidych 21 November 2014 15: 27
    +7
    right now they are not up to the fleet, they celebrate the anniversary of their self-destruction ...
  19. avt
    avt 21 November 2014 15: 34
    +5
    Quote: Leonidych
    right now they are not up to the fleet, they celebrate the anniversary of their self-destruction ...

    good Nevertheless, Piglet also snatched money - he brought in boats for new, independent naval forces from his factory - he squeezed the dough from the budget. laughing
    1. vtnsk
      vtnsk 22 November 2014 02: 23
      0
      Believe that Ukrainians will be able to finish building and arming them? ... smile
  20. _my opinion
    _my opinion 21 November 2014 15: 35
    +3
    ... a strong ukroarmia, a powerful ukroflot ... but the space chief promised nothing about space? mess-feed promises, so complete set. laughing
    1. GDP
      GDP 21 November 2014 16: 04
      +3
      but about space glavukrop promised nothing?


      How not to promise? Promised! He announced new joint developments with Europe and the USA in the future. So, soon Ukraine will not be tilka marine, but also by the Cosmic Power.
      ... Cosmic? comic? hmm ... I don’t know what the inhabitants of Odessa will come up with ...
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 21 November 2014 17: 35
        +5
        Quote: GDP
        So, soon Ukraine will not be tilka marine, but also by the Cosmic Power.

        and the cosmodrome on the Maidan will be equipped. and jumping on a trampoline will lead the satellites "fat to ukraine" to intercept our satellites
  21. Turk
    Turk 21 November 2014 15: 36
    +3
    Quote: SAM 5
    A new type of Armed Forces Uhrainy must be introduced - gaydomaki or Cossacks of the Navy.

    Marine cavalry! ......... In the photo in the title --- who is the dog guarding? Or is she guarded?
  22. tank64rus
    tank64rus 21 November 2014 15: 37
    0
    Orchestra "Farewell to Slavyanka.", And ukram with the fleet.
  23. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 21 November 2014 15: 42
    +3
    There was a good article "Dissolving Ukrainian sugar in a cup of Russian tea", I have saved it without reference to the source (who wants to find it in a search engine). From there (written back in April-May):
    The transition of such a conservative institution as the army to a completely anti-identity is extremely difficult.
    - Or you need an abrupt transition (through war with the ex-metropolis), but this is the greatest risk;

    - or a gradual transition, but you need 8-10 years of strict continuous control over the military and, at the same time, accelerated preparation of the "correct change" with a Western identity, all this time, without interrupting the strengthened and meaningful defense construction - which is almost unbelievable for an independent Ukraine.

    And why the greatest risk?
    Because Bandera now have an insidious fork:

    - it is tempting to fight a little to form a separate "nation", and you can get a huge prize - a leapfrogging reformatting of national self-awareness, the formation of a corps of heroes and mythology, the long-awaited tough separation with "yami" at the level of mass perception,

    - but at the same time it is incredibly dangerous - the army can melt like sugar, since the ethnic groups are closely related and almost monolingual, and it is impossible to trust the current army with Soviet pants, as the Crimea showed. That is, taking a chance, you can lose everything.

    It turns out that they took a chance, it didn’t work in the Crimea, but it works in the Donbass.
    It is clear that the Ukranian fleet is a khan. It existed only thanks to the tolerance of the Crimean population, taking, apart from equipment, a piece of tradition, spirit and history of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Crimea, turning away from an independent buried ukropeyskoy fleet.
  24. mivmim
    mivmim 21 November 2014 15: 43
    +5

    Cinema in the subject. The rest come after me. laughing
  25. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 21 November 2014 15: 43
    +3
    Ufa boatmen can greatly help the Kaklyatsky Navy. PVC boats are right on their budget repeat
  26. Valkh
    Valkh 21 November 2014 15: 43
    +2
    Quote: nikrandel
    I offer the ukrovskie "friends" the scheme of the sahaidachny frigate land ship, because what the hell is not kidding, you will remain without access to the sea at such a pace laughing

    Remain a great pig power !!!! laughing
  27. Vladimir 686
    Vladimir 686 21 November 2014 15: 49
    +3
    Poroshenko is not Peter I. To build a fleet from scratch in today's Ukraine is an idiot's dream. Let them amuse themselves with their fictitious past.
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 November 2014 15: 55
    +1
    If now dill dash offensive, then to NG the ruin will remain without Marik. And in Odessa she has enough boats.
  29. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 21 November 2014 16: 00
    0
    This is how much fat you need to sell, to make a submarine ??? And what do you eat ???
  30. askort154
    askort154 21 November 2014 16: 02
    0
    Ukraine is still ahead. She is now building a fence overland, thereby protecting Europe from the "Russian threat".
    After that, it will begin the construction of a dam along the sea border through which you can only get on an air mattress, which Russia does not have in service, therefore, it does not need a fleet. Ukraine will not be criminal!
    1. vtnsk
      vtnsk 22 November 2014 02: 25
      0
      Money has already run out on the fence ... laughing
  31. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 21 November 2014 16: 02
    +1
    Why do banderlogs have a fleet? Their place is the Carpathians and their foothills. There are only mountain rivers. Only rubber boats are needed to patrol them.
  32. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 21 November 2014 16: 05
    +1
    I'll get in yet. On the forums of the "airbase" there is a forum "sea", there is a topic - "The Ukrainian Navy". Svidomo-naval patriots live there, mostly from Odessa. There was a desire to get in there, to communicate, but after May 2 in Odessa (it's not about politics, to which they supposedly do not attribute themselves), the desire disappeared. Because they flooded the bellicose statements (supposedly we are out of politics). Well, then, reading their posts, about the supposedly active life of the ukrovoyed fleet in Odessa, I just felt sorry for their wretched and offended.
  33. rumiigo
    rumiigo 21 November 2014 16: 06
    -1
    And if you build an inflatable ship Mistral, for example, it will be fun!
  34. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 21 November 2014 16: 08
    +2
    Well the fleet! Sagaidachny- a tourist having a ride, shchob on a tanning bed spratsuvaty, the same Zaporizhzhya underwater bandura, as if not to wash out! Salo dropped!
    1. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS 21 November 2014 20: 14
      +1
      Do not break the Russian language.
  35. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 21 November 2014 16: 14
    +2
    Quote: refrigerator
    Get from the Black Sea dill. angry


    Have mercy, we dug it out, and you ....! We also have references, our stoned scholarly historians, have! crying
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 21 November 2014 16: 19
      +5
      Quote: Major Yurik
      Have mercy, we dug it out, and you ....

      they dug, and the Moldovan tilers laid out the bottom. So - move on, give place to the Moldovan fleet, yopta!
  36. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 21 November 2014 16: 23
    +3
    At the same time, attempts were made to put into operation the only Ukrainian submarine - Zaporozhye. But for 20 years the submarine, launched in 1970, only once went to sea to dive to the periscope depth. The rest of the time, it was mostly under repair, for which more than 60 million hryvnias were spent (at that time about 300 million rubles), serving as a subject for countless jokes about the “underwater forces of Ukraine”.

    And how else can you talk about this underwater chovny?
    First, it was welded to the pier - so as not to drown.
    Then they bought batteries over the hill for a pittance, brought them ... to discover that they did not replace the old ones. They say that after that the officers of the Russian Black Sea Fleet presented the 4-volume collection "Batteries for Submarines" to the Ukrainian crew for the next anniversary of the commissioning of "Zaporozhye".
    Then the Navy tried to repair this zombie-submarine on their own - it all ended with the statement on repair at 13th SRZ of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. And at the time of setting up for repair on a lightweight building, it was just scary to go.
    Well, then the Sevastopol residents watched the show - how the Russian Black Sea Fleet provided several ships for the first dive of Zaporozhye. The people joked that against the background of this the chavna, even celebrating a hundred years in the ranks, "Commune" looks modern.
    Fuel was added to the fire by the Ukrainian media, who invented the "great permogues" of the submarine's crew - such as a combat exit to the Sevastopol bay, carrying out combat duty at the base near the pier (near a torpedo submarine!) Or successfully completing a training task with a conditional immersion at the pier.
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 21 November 2014 16: 32
      +5
      Quote: Alexey RA
      or the successful completion of the pier with the conditional immersion.

      sounds awesome ...
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 21 November 2014 17: 22
      +4
      Quote: Alexey RA
      training task with conditional immersion.

      sounds famously))) or maybe just in a basin of water, the layout was lowered and removed?))))
  37. pts-m
    pts-m 21 November 2014 16: 26
    0
    In the best traditions of kaklov, feeding other people's zbrujnye forces tobish turret, and “best friends” nobility. And they like new friends as much as they better give them to suck an ice cream from green spears, well, of course, Yankistan and geyropeitsi.
  38. Altona
    Altona 21 November 2014 16: 28
    +12
    It doesn’t even make sense to comment on anything on the subject of the Ukrainian Navy ... The fleet is an expensive attribute, even if it consists of light vessels, you still need infrastructure, a coastal base, a cadet school, warehouses, auxiliary parts ... And Ukraine is already half burned collector armored cars and school buses in the ATO, cleaned up rusty tanks with a file to a working state ... It is possible to lay at least 10 new ships in Mikolaev, but there will be nothing to lay them out ...
    1. GUS
      GUS 21 November 2014 16: 35
      +1
      The best comment.
    2. Underwood
      Underwood 21 November 2014 16: 47
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Commenting on anything on the topic of the Ukrainian Navy does not even make sense ..

      absolutely! because it’s just gnarled.
      about the so-called "Fleet" about a month, in my opinion, or more ago, there was a detailed review, it seems, of Roman, inside the branch. And about "Saiga Dachny", and about armored boat schizophrenia, and so on. And so on.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 21 November 2014 16: 49
      0
      Quote: Altona
      It doesn’t even make sense to comment on anything on the subject of the Ukrainian Navy ... The fleet is an expensive attribute, even if it consists of light vessels, you still need infrastructure, a coastal base, a cadet school, warehouses, auxiliary parts ... And Ukraine is already half burned collector armored cars and school buses in the ATO, cleaned up rusty tanks with a file to a working state ... It is possible to lay at least 10 new ships in Mikolaev, but there will be nothing to lay them out ...



      That's right, only it is not customary to talk about this in Ukraine, especially the authorities are silent about this, it is on the contrary broadcasting that - "The Ukrainian Navy will be!" Only now the people see with their own eyes the deplorable state of not only the fleet, but also the army, and it is not clear why and for whom to make such statements?
      1. Underwood
        Underwood 21 November 2014 17: 12
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        broadcasts that - "Ukrainian Navy to be!"

        Well, what did you expect from the authorities of the country, nominally marine, that is, having access to the sea? It’s not comme il faut to somehow remain a land, threatening the status of a great (God, what I write!) Power. So they declare. Daddy from the states of the decommissioned vessel will throw stopudovo so that there is something to celebrate with the Navy Day.
  39. Lukich
    Lukich 21 November 2014 17: 16
    +4
    during the 23 years of their independence they brought at least one project for the mind? in my opinion only one, fooling one’s own people and selling the territory to sasham
  40. Idel
    Idel 21 November 2014 17: 20
    +3
    Let them not be in a hurry. The partition of Ukraine is not finished yet. Odessa-mom will return to Rostov-papa
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 21 November 2014 17: 33
      0
      Quote: Idel
      Odessa-mom will return to Rostov-papa

      I doubt that this thieves vocabulary is appropriate here. Well, yes, however, it seems like official twin cities, no?
  41. Bormental
    Bormental 21 November 2014 17: 22
    +2
    Ukrod even for a mosquito fleet is not enough, maximum amoebic - give battle boats with a silent rowing dvigl!
  42. Proud.
    Proud. 21 November 2014 17: 52
    +3
    "... Ukraine has lost almost all the ships of the Black Sea Fleet; the maximum that the country is capable of today is to replenish the fleet with boats ..." And how they grabbed selflessly, insolently, spitting on all the agreements. I found this info:
    "... On August 3, 1992, the heads of Ukraine and Russia, KRAVCHUK and YELTSIN signed the Yalta agreement. Which provided for a transitional period until 95, during which all details on the division of the Black Sea Fleet will be agreed. But the Ukrainian military did not give a damn about it. Brief chronicle of the lawlessness:

    * On August 10-19, the Ukrainian Armed Forces included the Evpatoria and Sevastopol aircraft repair plants.
    * September 10, two Sevastopol naval schools are captured.
    * On December 31, 70 percent of the personnel of the Odessa branch of the rear of the Black Sea Fleet are inclined to take the Ukrainian oath by blackmail and persuasion.
    * On January 11, representatives of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense openly stated that the Ukrainian Navy is not governed by the Yalta Agreements, which are "a betrayal of the interests of the Ukrainian people."
    * On January 16, an armed seizure of a warehouse in Izmail was completed.
    * On March 6, the Minister of the Navy of Ukraine Morozov announced that all vessels of the auxiliary fleet are the property of Ukraine.
    * On April 8, all Crimean military garrisons were led by officers of the Ukrainian army.
    * On April 11, a resolution was adopted by the 4th Congress of Ukrainian Officers, which states the need to denounce the Yalta Agreement and to transfer all officers without Ukrainian citizenship to the reserve.
    * On April 24, the crew of the large anti-submarine ship "Capable", which is part of the Pacific Fleet, was sworn in.
    * On May 15, the PZhK-388 fire boat was captured. After that, he raises the "zhovto-blakitny" flag and leaves combat duty, which has not happened in the entire history of the Black Sea Fleet ... ".
  43. igorra
    igorra 21 November 2014 17: 58
    +2
    men are good at tryingnde, everything is in rhyme: h.y.hokh.lam in the mouth and not the Black Sea fleet. True, the Navy would say: anchor in jo.pu and forward to Europe, boots would be added: the fly back. In short, men, everyone with our holidays, no matter who pulled the strap somewhere, I congratulate, apologize, pulled after work.
  44. duchy
    duchy 21 November 2014 18: 11
    0
    Sad story: Now it seemed to be, but now it’s not.
  45. alexbobin2012
    alexbobin2012 21 November 2014 18: 26
    0
    No, ne bude, neither step nor sea fleet! But seriously, these temporary workers promise a cart and a cart to their zombies, and older people understand that the bullshit in the face of this "power", and even the bandero-fascist spill will soon end with a worldwide shame not only for the EU, but also for their master, Uncle Sam ...
  46. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 21 November 2014 18: 50
    +1
    Ukraine is a sea and space power ...... The same nonsense as the Globe of Ukraine
  47. nik_moy
    nik_moy 21 November 2014 20: 45
    0
    you need to read what is happening with us ..
  48. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 21 November 2014 21: 01
    0
    Yes, all that the great Ukrainians can do was shit, that's how it is. All that remains of the Union, all that Russia has given. There is no need for anything without the Russians. What kind of people are they, huh?
  49. Gray 43
    Gray 43 21 November 2014 21: 31
    0
    Ukraine does not have either the Airborne Forces (became punitive), nor the Navy (just not)
  50. PSih2097
    PSih2097 21 November 2014 21: 37
    0
    Ukraine needs to be proud of the PLA Navy ...
    And for "Ulyanovsk" and "Varyag" all those involved will answer both here (who said that there is nothing to buy !!! 100 KK $ !!!) and in Ukraine (who refused to continue construction for orders of dry cargo ships from the USA) .. ...