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And Kiev will have to take

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Much, if not all, in our world depends on the tasks. That is, not from the “correctness of the answers”, but much more deeply: from the correct formulation of questions. And in this sense, “what will happen next with Ukraine” and “what should we do with Ukraine and in Ukraine” is also one giant question.

And before looking for answers to it, - it would be necessary at least for a start to ask yourself stupidly.

So, the first question is obvious: what is happening in Ukraine now?

The answer is simple and it seems that no one even discusses it: a civil war is taking place in Ukraine.

I emphasize: not a “national liberation revolution”, but specifically a civil war. The phenomenon, no matter what they say in Kiev, is not “national”, but “civil” and “political”. And this, in spite of all this civil war, bitterness, is perfectly realized by all the people living in this unfortunate territory. Please note that the “nationally-oriented”, let's say, the Freedom party, even with all the cutsti and, which is already there, the obviously inadequate representativeness of the modern Ukrainian elections - even to the Verkhovna Rada did not go there.

Consequently?

Therefore, in Ukraine it doesn’t matter: in Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, yes, what’s really there, and in Kiev itself, there is one people living. Which is now there and is engaged, we will speak directly, fratricide. And he realizes it internally, and suffers, and wants to stop, and invents "Mongolokatsap with the Chechens," and still wants to stop.

Now - the second question: how, as strange science shows us историяAre the civil wars ending?

Fragmentation of a single cultural, religious, linguistic, ethnic space ?!

Yes, by no means.

Civil wars, always and everywhere - be it, for example, France, Britain, the United States of America (they also happened) or Russia - historically always end with the same thing: the victory of one of the warring parties.

Figuratively speaking, either Paris will crush Vendée, any Vendée will take Paris.

All.

There are no other options.

And precisely, by the way, so Moscow will not be able to recognize the people's republics of New Russia. Here, too, everything is simple: Moscow does not just consider Ukraine to be a single territorial and state entity, it considers it a part of the “Russian world” and, therefore, something one with itself. Therefore, going down to a more “pragmatic level”: guys! in order for Kiev to stop shelling the Donbass, the Donbass will still have to take Kiev sooner or later. Not necessarily by military means, perhaps (and, which is already there, we would like to) at the expense of other, political or economic means of fighting. Because, paraphrasing one well-known phrase, civil war is a continuation of the domestic political struggle, only by violent means.

But do not deceive yourself: you still have to take Kiev.

There is no other way.
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  1. herruvim
    herruvim 19 November 2014 18: 59
    +111
    Just for fun:


    Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Two deputies whisper in the corridor:
    - I have a problem here - after sex it turned out that the condom remained inside ...
    - Don’t worry, you go for a walk - he will come out.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 19 November 2014 19: 00
      +21
      It is advisable to quickly, until all of Ukraine has been plundered, but they have not shoved mattresses for cheap.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 19 November 2014 19: 02
        +27
        Quote: Giant thought
        It is advisable to quickly, until all of Ukraine has been plundered, but they have not shoved mattresses for cheap.

        What is faster? You are not about a joke from herruvim case?
      2. Owl27
        Owl27 19 November 2014 19: 17
        +28
        They will again lament that Russia has enslaved them and will hate to save up to a convenient stab in the back. It is hard to forgive them for each other and live in the same country, only time heals such wounds.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 22 November 2014 11: 38
          +3
          Quote: Owl27
          They will again lament that Russia has enslaved them and will hate to save up to a convenient stab in the back. It is hard to forgive them for each other and live in the same country, only time heals such wounds.


          I will quote Karl Marx once again: "A nation, as a woman, cannot forgive its weakness when any rogue can take possession of it." Wise and timeless. yes
      3. Baloo
        Baloo 19 November 2014 19: 34
        +10
        Late, dill is already divided between shell, chevron, total, etc. firms and firms. everyone is waiting for it to settle down, otherwise there is no point in pouring water into a leaky boiler.
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        2. forest park 86
          forest park 86 19 November 2014 21: 04
          +7
          Total looks like a bummer. judging by the situation in Vnukovo
        3. PATTIY
          PATTIY 19 November 2014 21: 06
          +10
          Quote: Balu
          Late, dill is already divided between shell, chevron, total, etc. firms and firms. everyone is waiting for it to settle down, otherwise there is no point in pouring water into a leaky boiler.

          I think that Ukrainians left them with a nose!
        4. CALL.
          CALL. 21 November 2014 09: 25
          +5
          The answer is simple and it seems that no one even discusses it: a civil war is taking place in Ukraine.

          “Ukrainians bought the best computer from the United States that can even calculate the future, and asked him who will be the president of Ukraine in 2020. After a week of calculations, the computer issued a counter-question: “Which Ukraine?” ”
        5. spiriolla-45
          spiriolla-45 21 November 2014 15: 19
          +3
          Russia was also divided in the 17th, but the Bolsheviks probably did not know this and rebuilt their empire. So Shel and others like them will wait.
          1. Sargas
            Sargas 21 November 2014 15: 42
            +6
            In the 17th, Russia was divided very qualitatively, but Lenin turned out to be a rare bastard and threw his overseas masters: instead of taking a suitcase of gold and quietly living near London, he took and stole ALL RI from the Saxon Saxons.
            Even then, the arrogant Saxons did not put all their eggs in one basket and their Yaytsenyuk-Trotsky was assigned to Piglet-Lenin.
            In order not to run into a war that Russia could not take out (the Britons had 1918k tanks in 3, France had 3,5k tanks, Russia had several Fiats received for familiarization), Lenin allows Trotsky to give out concessions to the right and left and pays reparations (for example, a locomotive transaction).
            And the fact that only after the death of Lenin, having eaten Trotsky in 1932, Stalin could begin to squeeze out concessions from the USSR (PSA) will not cancel the fact that the Lenin-Trotsky gang knew very well what it was doing.
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 21 November 2014 20: 32
              +1
              not only Trotsky was assigned, but also, for example, Sverdlov. Kaplan was a friend of his cousin, an hour before the Sverdlov telephone message he began to send telegrams that the management takes over. The authorship of the script is attributed to the lock card. There is a version that the shooter was a professional killer from Merikosia.
              I don’t understand the behavior and further life of the driver Lenin, who until the end of the 60s was hiding under a false name in a remote Finnish village and gave an indistinct interview before his death. and there was also a group of comrades who gouged pebbles and gold from Gohran and sent a parcel every two weeks to the relatives of the river. It is a pity that no one will tell about this in detail and objectively.
              1. peter mechkaev
                peter mechkaev 21 November 2014 21: 56
                +1
                But why ... this period of theft from Gokhran was thoroughly investigated in the 30s. None of the defendants in this case survived .. were destroyed. Books about this event now appear on bookshelves .... but very few people are interested ... has lost relevance.
              2. abdrah
                abdrah 21 November 2014 22: 15
                +1
                "but for example the Sverdlovs" - well, Nemtsov is the grand-nephew of Yashka Sverdlov, and the cook Spiridon was with someone and his grandson. If you look at the world like that, then everything is not cunningly tortured ...
                1. Baloo
                  Baloo 22 November 2014 12: 17
                  +1
                  the way it is: "but for example the Sverdlov" - well, Nemtsov is Yashka Sverdlov's grand-nephew "
                  especially since the Fritz is also related to Naina Yeltsin.
                  A kaplan ...? After only 3 hours, when she was arrested, an assistant to Slovlov took the kaplan from the Cheka to the Kremlin. Kaplan was arrested three blocks from the assassination site.
                  When asked what she was doing here, the girl replied: why are you asking.
                  In an article on this topic, it was alleged that a friend of the Kaplan, a Chekist from former Odessa gopniks, sent a note and made an appointment with her. The young lady was not lucky. They shot and burned, despite the ban of Lenin and an acute desire to see her. By the way, the first words of Lenin: you took IT, i.e. Lenin saw the shooter and it was a man.
            2. rc56
              rc56 21 November 2014 22: 14
              0
              +5
              Brevity is the soul of wit!
      4. Siberian German
        Siberian German 19 November 2014 20: 09
        +14
        Yes, only it’s not necessary to take cues, but again, on the border, put a pillar with our emblem like grandfathers in the 44th
        1. avg
          avg 19 November 2014 20: 30
          +4
          Quote: Siberian German
          Yes, only it’s not necessary to take cues, but again, on the border, put a pillar with our emblem like grandfathers in the 44th

          Yes, Kiev alone may not end. In some Eastern European countries, the people are already ripe for national liberation revolutions.
          1. twin22
            twin22 19 November 2014 22: 20
            +3
            avg

            Siberian German

            Yes, only it’s not necessary to take cues, but again, on the border, put a pillar with our emblem like grandfathers in the 44th

            Yes, Kiev alone may not end. In some Eastern European countries, the people are already ripe for national liberation revolutions.


            What ... and where is it?
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          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 19 November 2014 22: 37
            +14
            Quote: avg
            Yes, Kiev alone may not end. In some Eastern European countries, the people are already ripe for national liberation revolutions.


            "With courtesy and weapons you can do much more than just courtesy."

            Give Novorossia all over the world!

            Clickable
            1. Leeder
              Leeder 21 November 2014 16: 49
              +5
              Yes, we do not need additional territories, there is no one to develop. And if there is even more territory, and even with an associated population, this threatens with decay. Remember all the big empires, what happened to them after the death of strong leaders? Such as the Macedonian, Genghis Khan, and others. New Russia to be, but to digest obviously foreign territories - thank you!
              Besides living with mattresses in the same country? No, let them disentangle their own.
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 22 November 2014 11: 45
              0
              Quote: Ascetic
              Give Novorossia all over the world!



              Or maybe right away - in the whole universe? Why trifle. bully
          4. izGOI
            izGOI 20 November 2014 20: 30
            0
            To dream is not harmful.
            1. ermolai
              ermolai 21 November 2014 14: 54
              0
              dreams come true, if you really want it, thought is material! collective egregor and all that!
            2. woron333444
              woron333444 21 November 2014 15: 28
              +1
              It’s not harmful to dream
          5. Vladimir 686
            Vladimir 686 21 November 2014 15: 03
            0
            in Eastern European countries, everyone is free, just stupid is not childish, they don’t need a revolution. They need to open their eyes and turn on the brain and understand who is friend.
          6. Lelek
            Lelek 22 November 2014 11: 42
            0
            Quote: avg
            In some Eastern European countries, the people are already ripe for national liberation revolutions.


            Optimism is a good character trait, but a combination of optimism with pragmatism is what we need. Do not get carried away by dreams, mon sher. hi
        2. Messiah
          Messiah 19 November 2014 23: 32
          +1
          The debts of Ukraine — it’s bad, the creatures in power — are even worse! Is it better in Russia? Gold reserves in the treasury, which cannot be exchanged for money, but only receive 2% per annum, corporate debt -600 billion $, the occupational administration in the person of the Government, there is no state, independent legislation, no money of its own, State Bank, Constitutional Council, slave religions! What is there except honor, conscience, pride and hope?
          1. boris-1230
            boris-1230 20 November 2014 01: 50
            +5
            Quote: Messiah
            What is there except honor, conscience, pride and hope?

            He himself answered: HONOR, CONSCIENCE, PRIDE and HOPE! negative
          2. EvgenSuslov
            EvgenSuslov 21 November 2014 14: 47
            +3
            And where not so, show me at least one country in the world without a flaw. Did not find? Now show those countries that can afford to talk to others from a position of at least equal. And do not yap to someone else's tune.
          3. ermolai
            ermolai 21 November 2014 15: 07
            0
            Well, not everything is so gloomy, the GDP talked not only about some treasuries, but that the ZRV is a lot of tons, and they still buy it, but that we pay tribute, but it’s not forever, then we’ll come and take everything from the mink fort it seems. phasington should be destroyed to the ground
          4. Vladimir 686
            Vladimir 686 21 November 2014 16: 20
            0
            Slave religions are Orthodoxy, Islam, Buddhism? Zvr in Treasure? Yes, we thought they would play about the rules. The corporate debt of the same section from the Financial Reserve imposed sanctions (or did you think that the black boy is obama stealing something?). The problem is that there are government laws and a president; otherwise there would be no corporate debt and gold reserves in treasuries and there would be no sanctions. INCLUDE THE BRAIN OF A MAN.
          5. Dmitry Toderes
            Dmitry Toderes 21 November 2014 23: 41
            0
            Quote: Messiah
            The debts of Ukraine — it’s bad, the creatures in power — are even worse! Is it better in Russia? Gold reserves in the treasury, which cannot be exchanged for money, but only receive 2% per annum, corporate debt -600 billion $, the occupational administration in the person of the Government, there is no state, independent legislation, no money of its own, State Bank, Constitutional Council, slave religions! What is there except honor, conscience, pride and hope?


            I think if it were as you wrote, then there would be no return of Crimea to Russia! - The most important goal of the USA is the base of their fleet in Sevastopol! It would be a shame and grievous grief for us - the country would be depressed and plus sanctions (they would be imposed in any case). (IMHO)
            But none of this happily happened to us.
      5. Setrac
        Setrac 19 November 2014 20: 12
        +4
        Quote: Thought Giant
        It is advisable to quickly, until all of Ukraine has been plundered, but they have not shoved mattresses for cheap.

        There will be nothing faster, the de-industrialization of Ukraine was conceived from the very beginning.
      6. tol100v
        tol100v 19 November 2014 21: 32
        +5
        Quote: Thought Giant
        It is advisable to quickly, until all of Ukraine has been plundered, but they have not shoved mattresses for cheap.

        HER already in the past 15 years have sold three times, as in the IMPORT!
      7. Shishiga
        Shishiga 22 November 2014 11: 12
        0
        Two young and old bulls are standing on a hill and looking thoughtfully at a herd of cows below:
        -Young bull - let's go down a quick one and ... impregnate (I’ve already had 3 warnings for vocabulary, so I’m scientific) recourse ... that motley one.
        -Old - Take your time.
        - Young ... impatiently digging the ground with hoof: - let's go down quickly and ..... that little black one, little white one and colorful one
        -Old: - not flickering. We will slowly go down this hour ... we will slowly approach ... and @@@@@@ we’re the whole herd.

        But seriously, here is a link to an interesting article http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1868925.html#ixzz3Jl2mlpFV

        “A clever guy named George Soros gave an interview to the German magazine Cicero. Today he is quoted a lot on both sides of the geopolitical front line. From“ our side ”- more and more ridiculed. And very in vain. Soros is a man, of course, smart. Don't look that he is a pure speculator. To make a fortune of 24 billion dollars you need to have very good brains. And smart people should always be listened to. Agree with them or not is a separate question. It is never too late to send the forest. But it is better to listen carefully first. What if he speaks?

        Moreover, if we put aside the idealistic slogans, his speech is based on rather simple points: First, now there is a war for the future of all of Europe. Secondly, it is being conducted in Ukraine. Third, for its success, the EU and the IMF are obliged to urgently allocate $ 20 billion to Ukraine. Fourth, defeat in Ukraine will lead to the collapse of the European Union itself. Fifth, the EU itself is to blame for everything that is happening. All the rest is the verbal husk of the professor's explanations to careless and, in places, narrow-minded students, who, in general, do not understand quite obvious things. Soros is undoubtedly an enemy for Russia, but this does not diminish the degree of his righteousness ......... "
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 19 November 2014 19: 01
      +19
      And what is it for? About a condom? Did you read the article?
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 19 November 2014 19: 04
        +33
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        And what is it for? About a condom? Did you read the article?

        He still has time, but the first comment could not be left.
        1. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 19 November 2014 19: 35
          +7
          My colleague agrees, the joke is not a topic at all,
          but the pluses earn hunting!
          A head to think? And what for it is necessary!
          Rating, epaulettes, stars ...
          1. saksan
            saksan 19 November 2014 20: 01
            +9
            Careerist, however.
            1. IOwTZ
              IOwTZ 19 November 2014 23: 56
              +1
              Or maybe he Gelety himself left the first comment?
          2. SHILO
            SHILO 19 November 2014 20: 32
            +7
            Quote: AlNikolaich
            Rating, epaulettes, stars ...


            Alexey! Only damn no offense ... because this demo applies to your humble servant laughing as well as all those present lol ! And this is not our fault, but the misfortune organized by Vadim Smirnov am ...
            1. AlNikolaich
              AlNikolaich 19 November 2014 21: 06
              +16
              Dear comrade Constantine! Among the majority of comrades present there has always been a framework, especially in the fact that comments should be substantive, and at least balanced and considered. A vote implies, it would seem, the usefulness, or the futility of this comment! Many irresponsible citizens earn cheap credibility on golimy but populist delirium, jokes and demotivators ... And it's sad!
              For me, statements are important and interesting, but for example Elena Egoza, Penzyak, Karlsson, Thy and Alexander Romanov (although I sometimes argue with him) and many many others.
              And it seems that if there are "stars", you already think that the comrade is well-established, has an opinion and some responsibility ... And look more closely - SCHOOL!
              Therefore, I think, or remove epaulettes with stars in FIG, along with ratings. Or enter
              stupidly at the time of registration on the site (Senior employee, demobilization, elephant, etc.). Or, administrators to remove (ban) useless site members from whom the construct is zero, but the communication branches are clogged with clueless comments. I understand that sometimes I sculpt pictures myself, and jokes in the subject, and many colleagues sin the same way. But when only stories and pictures, and not just one thought, do you need such a comrade in FIG?
              It just got sick ...
              1. andj61
                andj61 19 November 2014 21: 29
                +2
                Quote: AlNikolaich
                It just got sick ...

                Good evening, Alexey! The vsoltan also had something consonant with your "cry from the heart". He left about the same comment, he was offered to rework it into an article that caused a lively response (published on 23.06.14/XNUMX/XNUMX). Then he was offered to be a moderator, but he was only for a couple of days - this status was removed from him, they thought, apparently, that the site was well-established, "fresh blood" was useless. These are the pies ...
                1. SHILO
                  SHILO 19 November 2014 21: 45
                  +5
                  Quote: andj61
                  which caused a lively response (published by 23.06.14).


                  That's right! laughing My response also aroused! fellow

                  SHILO  23 June 2014 12: 07 | Private opinion on the VO forum

                  Quote: Per se.
                  perhaps there may be symbolic "orders-medals", "signs" from the editorial board, like "editor's choice" or "best commentary"

                  I beg you ... More medals were not enough. Here and so the people are sitting - dust particles from cardboard epaulettes are blowing away, and you are also medals (Brezhnev’s chest does not give rest?). Do you want people to lose contact with reality?
                  Lord. Well, you are adults for the most part people. These titles, points, comments - the game! No more!


                  SHILO  23 June 2014 12: 34 | Private opinion on the VO forum

                  Volodya. That is not it!
                  Someone who wanted to see wanted to become a full holder of the Order of the Internet for the battle of Facebook and the defense of Twitter.
                  Oh can't liver tear now
                  1. Per se.
                    Per se. 19 November 2014 22: 33
                    +5
                    Quote: SHILO
                    Quote: Per se.
                    perhaps there may be symbolic "orders-medals", "signs" from the editorial board, like "editor's choice" or "best commentary"
                    There was such a sin, I suggested, but, precisely, as a professional and objective choice of the EDITOR on a meaningful, better comment (or publication) on the topic of the month or year, since there are symbolic shoulder straps. If it was very funny, I hope I didn’t become the culprit of the torn “Liver” somewhere. While condemning one thing, it should be noted that there is another extreme in the comments, no better than the one criticized by you, this is the breeding of a friendly "bazaar", even more distant from the topic of the article.
                    1. SHILO
                      SHILO 19 November 2014 22: 59
                      +5
                      Quote: Per se.
                      If it was very funny, I hope I didn’t become the culprit of the torn “Liver” somewhere.


                      I did not expect my friend! what I did not expect ... +! Firstly, he didn’t break it, but he tore it pretty laughing ! Generally, Sergey, I wanted to remove your quote, because it was not about her, but about my attitude to the "cardboard". But ... did not violate the authenticity so to speak. I didn't want to offend - not then, not now yes drinks !
                      In general, on this issue I thought, I think and will believe that make your own website, bring people to it and set your own rules: epaulets, medals, executions and mercy, pluses and baths. And he came to Vadim Smirnov ... what laughing (I apologize for the tautalogy) humble yourself and rumble according to his rules!
                      Sincerely! hi
                      1. Per se.
                        Per se. 20 November 2014 06: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: SHILO
                        I didn’t want to offend - neither then nor now!

                        What insults, Konstantin, each, in my opinion, can and should have an opinion. For example, I put the article a plus, as I consider Kiev to be the historical capital of Russia, and all Ukrainians as native Russians. As for the instilled site, of course, this is the legal right of its creators.
              2. SHILO
                SHILO 19 November 2014 21: 31
                +3
                Alexey! You are cunning ...! wink But what about: "Meehan! Pleased! Cool about bears! Plus!" this!? Or will you argue that the koala singing odes is a more clever phenomenon in comments than the joke about the article about taking kuev !?
                1. SHILO
                  SHILO 19 November 2014 21: 56
                  +5
                  "And it seems that if there are" stars ", you already think that the comrade is well-established, has an opinion and some responsibility ... But look more closely - SCHOOL!"

                  AND...! Alex, and you pay less attention to ranks yes .
                  For example, I had to look yours to create a demo!
                  Because I read koment, not looking at the cardboard shoulder strap request .
              3. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 20 November 2014 00: 09
                +4
                And how to attract youth? Well it is necessary to teach the mind to the mind! First, lure on candy wrappers, then think about suggesting, and there, you look and yourself will cease to appreciate tinsel!
              4. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 20 November 2014 05: 48
                +3
                Among the majority of comrades present there has always been a framework, especially in that the comments should be essentially ...
                Many irresponsible citizens earn cheap credibility ... on jokes ... - AlNikolaich


                Bullshit, dear AlNikolaich! A good joke, moreover on the topic, is a pleasure, a good mood for the subsequent reading of sometimes boring, boring comments.
                In the end, the told anecdote conveys the essence of the events taking place in "Ukraine".
        2. AQUARIUS 65
          AQUARIUS 65 19 November 2014 21: 04
          +4
          Penzyac
          He will still have time, but the first comment might not have time to leave

          AlNikolaich
          ... the joke is not a topic at all, but the pluses earn hunting!

          It’s interesting, who puts these pluses for jokes "not in the subject"?
        3. herruvim
          herruvim 20 November 2014 00: 42
          +4
          And what is it for? About a condom? Did you read the article?


          My colleague agrees, the joke is not a topic at all,
          but the pluses earn hunting!
          A head to think? And what for it is necessary!
          Rating, epaulettes, stars ...


          Dear comrade Constantine! Among the majority of comrades present there has always been a framework, especially in the fact that comments should be substantive, and at least balanced and considered. A vote implies, it would seem, the usefulness, or the futility of this comment! Many irresponsible citizens earn cheap credibility on golimy but populist delirium, jokes and demotivators ... And it's sad!
          For me, statements are important and interesting, but for example Elena Egoza, Penzyak, Karlsson, Thy and Alexander Romanov (although I sometimes argue with him) and many many others.
          And it seems that if there are "stars", you already think that the comrade is well-established, has an opinion and some responsibility ... And look more closely - SCHOOL!
          Therefore, I think, or remove epaulettes with stars in FIG, along with ratings. Or enter
          stupidly at the time of registration on the site (Senior employee, demobilization, elephant, etc.). Or, administrators to remove (ban) useless site members from whom the construct is zero, but the communication branches are clogged with clueless comments. I understand that sometimes I sculpt pictures myself, and jokes in the subject, and many colleagues sin the same way. But when only stories and pictures, and not just one thought, do you need such a comrade in FIG?
          It just got sick ...


          I apologize, but you contradict yourself, your comments, and not one on the topic in the article (but the communication lines are cluttered with stupid comments), only senile grumbling ... and the anecdote is signed just for fun, and if you want to change the site so radically so go ahead to the admins and do not clog the stupid comments on the thread, please.
    3. Denis fj
      Denis fj 19 November 2014 19: 11
      +25
      In general, what is happening in Ukraine is difficult to fit into a simple logic, because these events belong to more than one level of planning and execution. Because of this, their development is polyvariant. That is, simply, any circumstance can become an impetus for a series of new intrigues and tricks - due to the fact that a real geopolitical game is underway, in which human life has a value close to zero. Actually, the "civilized world" has always treated this value this way. When in the winter of 1944 in the Ardennes the SS brutally dealt with a whole detachment of American prisoners, American lawyers saved them from the scaffold. And soon the killers were released - everyone. And we say - atrocities in Ukraine. Yes, the West did not care about phosphorus bombs and so on. Nevertheless, certain signs of this "strange" war can be seen.
      Ukrainians would be yapping like the Balts - for free - there would be another market. But they demand as much as the EU does not have at all. Therefore, killing Ukraine, dividing it, and at the same time trying to weaken Russia to the utmost is a completely profitable hack. But to do this with a categorical refusal of Russia to send troops there is unrealistic. Need another tool. This tool is Kiev power. It is she who must enforce the sentence of the country. (Part of the advanced Natsik suspects this). Follow all the actions of Yatsenyuk powder. Yes, they do it. No tank columns needed. Just as his own power played the main role in the collapse of the USSR in the 90s, so the Ukrainians junta is being removed ... The recipe is not new.

      Therefore, Russia needs to do everything so that when dividing the expanding territories, Novorossia will absorb all those that are called the Russian world.

      Therefore, I agree with D. Lekukh: Kiev will have to be taken.

      And where should he go?
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 19 November 2014 19: 21
        +79
        We have a lot to "Take" ..))) drinks Everything has its time!
        1. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 19 November 2014 19: 37
          +6
          Meehan! Pleased! Cool about the bears! A plus!
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 19 November 2014 20: 05
            +8
            Quote: AlNikolaich
            Meehan! Pleased! Cool about the bears! A plus!

            All of us in Russia are already becoming "bears" .. they poke us in the side with sticks (sanctions) ... The mongrels are barking all around .. We fight back with an uterine growl and fierce ... cunning and around only shrill mongrels .. (but the bear has a good scent and intuition and he moves to the lair .. to the goal))) I said so figuratively .. hi
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      2. cheerful
        cheerful 19 November 2014 20: 52
        +2
        I wish we could get together at the table, at the barbecue ... but discuss it all! here you look, and it would not be useless for the common cause!
      3. P-38
        P-38 20 November 2014 10: 43
        0
        Ukrainians would be yapping like the Balts - for free - there would be another market. But they demand as much as the EU does not have at all. Therefore, killing Ukraine, dividing it, and at the same time trying to weaken Russia to the utmost is a completely profitable hack. But to do this with a categorical refusal of Russia to send troops there is unrealistic. Need another tool. This tool is Kiev power.

        Cool said. Makes me think. There are many signs that this is the case. Thank you for your information for consideration.
    4. RazvedosNVI
      RazvedosNVI 19 November 2014 19: 43
      +8
      Ukraine joined the EU Two godfathers of the Ukrainians are sitting there drinking One asks :: Well, sho ??? The second responds. Yes bullshit this EU. ::: I am out of work, my wife in Italy washes the floors "Son above married to a German" Daughter of a prostitute in France !!!!! And everything is to blame !!!! Told us Don't join the EU !!! We knew the assholes sho we will do it out of spite
    5. evgen762
      evgen762 19 November 2014 23: 53
      +1
      Any civil war (and not only civil war) ends with the redistribution of property - we share the money.
    6. Erg
      Erg 20 November 2014 00: 19
      0
      It’s only possible that the sewers will be clogged. If all glad before the wind goes wassat . And who is minus? Cossacks mishandled?
    7. Igor Polovodov
      Igor Polovodov 21 November 2014 16: 56
      0
      why do we raise the rating? I propose to ignore information not related to the topic of the article!
  2. DPZ
    DPZ 19 November 2014 19: 02
    +12
    During the war, the most humane is to deal with the enemy as soon as possible.(Moltke said)
    hurry already !!!
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 19 November 2014 19: 06
      +6
      Quote: DPZ
      During the war, the most humane is to deal with the enemy as soon as possible.(Moltke said)
      hurry already !!!

      It’s like with stopping a dog’s tail: it can be done right away, but it can be done in parts from a sense of false humanism.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 19 November 2014 19: 36
        0
        In parts and every day. This is what we are observing. The tail does not decrease, although everything has an end, as well as a beginning.
    2. Penelope
      Penelope 19 November 2014 19: 21
      +10
      Kiev should be a Russian city, because he is the mother of Russian cities.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 19 November 2014 19: 55
        +16
        Kiev was Ukrainian and let it be Ukrainian. I’ll try to formulate a few questions for Ukrainians as if he himself was a Ukrainian:
        What constitutional rights of Ukrainians does the Kuev junta provide at the moment?
        What social guarantees does the Kuev junta provide at the moment?
        Every Ukrainian should think about these fundamental issues at the moment in the first place.
        The desire of the Donbass and Lugansk region meets international standards proclaimed by the UN?
        Ukrainians, I am not urging you to do anything, I just propose to stop, stop jumping and yelling "fat to Ukraine". Look to the bottom of your soul and ask yourself a simple question: what's next? Is this watering gang capable of providing constitutional guarantees? Do they have the will to do this or is it blah blah?
        Do they have authority inside and outside the country? This power is generally capable or can only scare you Putin and Russia. How many young men died in the ATO? 10 thousand or more? Do you know why there are so many missing ukrobeyts? Ukrokomandiry wounded, so as not to lead to the hospital sprinkled in the funnel from the shells or mixed with corpses were thrown into a padded armored personnel carrier, sprinkled with gunpowder still alive and burned as in a crematorium. Militiamen, finding abandoned corpses of ukrobets, bury them humanly, and if they have a cell phone, they inform their mothers where their unreasonable unfortunate child was buried.
        So do you need this power? Will it be better with them someday or do they urgently need to say goodbye to them, as in Donetsk and Lugansk?
        The place of a worthy Ukrainian patriot on a par with the militias of the southeast.
        From my sofa I see it like this.
        No words, every normal Russian sympathizes with Ukrainians. The wrong path you have chosen and the wrong national leaders. They will swim away at any moment, fly away where they hid their fat and forget about you. Their kids are nicely drawn to the resorts, and what kind of babos?
        What will you do when the Kuev junta finally brings down the ruin? Geyropa and Merikashki will never feed you with cookies and pies on the Maidan.
        Porosenko is lying endlessly, contradicting himself. Nobody listens to him, he does not have real power, it is not his job to be president. Yaytsenyuh inadequate and incompetent as the head of state. Even at such a difficult time, he decided to cut 10 lyam for coal supplies from Africa, as a result the blacks were afraid of corruption and cut the coal supply by half.
        Think, think .... Your tragedy is that the country is under the direct control of Fashington macaques. You are a province of shale gas for them. Under the contract with Chevron alone, more than 5 thousand sq. Km. Donbas and Luhansk regions were leased for 50 (!) years for 10 lard. Moreover, the chevron will sell this gas to whoever it wants, and Ukraine does not get a kick out of it! Ukraine will also be in the general queue for this gas! So what? Never mind, look at YouTube videos with Americans who leased their land for shale gas extraction, watch the water from the faucet in the kitchen burn, at a shabby and emaciated cat, at a shabby horse that won't last long. Your "power" is an incompetent, greedy, unprincipled bunch of cynical thieves. Think.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 19 November 2014 20: 17
          +4
          I do not accept minus in my address. I'm one hundred percent right. Ukrainians need to finally think about their fate and the fate of their children. Enough already maidan. And Kiev was the capital of Ukraine, even if it remains, and enough of these blah blahs about the Russian world, invented by Moscow political technologists.
        2. Cristall
          Cristall 20 November 2014 00: 44
          -2
          I will try to answer
          although here you must be a central Ukrainian in order to clearly understand. Since I’m a southern Ukrainian, I’ll explain a little from my bell tower (The center is a little different, but to the south it weighs more than the memory)
          Quote: Balu
          What constitutional rights of Ukrainians does the Kuev junta provide at the moment?

          all declared by the Constitution at the moment (given that the Constitution declares a lot of things to a simple person, but any country in the RF provides little)
          In general, the main thing for me is that it ensures order .. what generally happens with difficulty
          Oh yes, and what kind of junta if you yourself recognized it and concluded an agreement?
          Quote: Balu
          What social guarantees does the Kuev junta provide at the moment?

          benefits and benefits are retained. HERE I’ll go to draw up a child allowance (despite the fact that my mother is Russian). I will look at my example. In general, pensions are paid. I can’t say that everywhere but in Odessa for sure
          Quote: Balu
          The desire of the Donbass and the Luhansk region meets international standards proclaimed by the UN?

          without a central opinion (like Scotland with London) it is separatism. As the Crimea decided without Kiev. In general, everything that is illegal without Kiev. Honestly need to run away only with the participation of Kiev.
          Quote: Balu
          stop jumping and yelling "fat to Ukraine".

          I didn’t ride, I didn’t think that the locals were jumping in Odessa, I’m a bit off from Sala. I am more Belarusian in terms of food (I like kartha)
          Quote: Balu
          Do they have authority inside and outside the country? This power is generally competent

          In Ukraine, no authority has and will not have authority. Kuchma was normal and all. The authorities are capable but sometimes clumsy and not competent there.
          Quote: Balu
          How many young men died in the ATO?

          a lot .. unlike the media, the military themselves from the district tell the truth. Trucks ... guys. If you think this should be scary? On the contrary, revenge for them. Approval of even nuclear weapons. I exaggerate. But these are Russians (albeit Ukrainians). They may cry but require vengeance.
          Quote: Balu
          like in Donetsk and Lugansk?

          there’s generally a mess. What was the worst soap?
          Quote: Balu
          every normal Russian sympathizes with Ukrainians.

          Well, I read how you need to hang us .. kill .. and most importantly 12029109 variants of the word "Ukrainian".
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 20 November 2014 00: 45
            -1
            Quote: Balu
            The wrong path you have chosen and the wrong national leaders.

            we did not choose. People like me did not believe that Janus could lose. And Maidnan did not like.
            Quote: Balu
            when kuevskaya junta finally bring down the ruin?

            options? The junta of Donbass does the same faster and bloodier.
            Quote: Balu
            Geyropa and Merikashki will never feed you with cookies and pies on the Maidan.

            I was pleased with the Moscow agreements. The promises of the West do not believe. But we have no choice.
            Quote: Balu
            Porosenko is lying endlessly, contradicting himself.

            all presidents lie ... and contradict. I can’t choose Lukashenko. I was disappointed in GDP. Now he is definitely not a friend.
            Quote: Balu
            Yaytsenyuh

            I can’t understand who he is happy with at all .. I even respected Azarov a little for frankness.
            Quote: Balu
            the country is directly controlled by macaque monkeys from Washington.

            How else if we are not waging a declared war? We had a choice to swallow everything "and become fascists" (as they said in VO) Or terpily or fascists and there is no third way.
            When waging a war with the Russian Federation (a strange war) for the lost territories (largely because of ourselves), we had no choice how to throw ourselves in the arms of the United States. Or one on one ... which is impossible.
            Quote: Balu
            only with Chevron

            info throw. Already repeatedly refuted even on VO. But even more convenient than "fascism in Ukraine" and that we are all fascists .. all the same economic.
            Quote: Balu
            Your "power" is an incompetent, greedy, unprincipled bunch of cynical thieves. Think.

            The same as in the Russian Federation. What is there to think - everywhere the same, even in the neighborhood. And everyone does not like it. But we have a war.
            Having torn off the Crimea, they opened the Pandora's box. Having given Ukraine, they got problems. And having torn off Crimea + having given Ukraine, they made the Russians themselves an enemy of the Russians.
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 20 November 2014 10: 07
              +3
              Dear Cristall, thanks for the reply. Everyone understands that the war is for slate on the one hand and for freedom on the other. The brutality of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the destruction of the infrastructure of cities, enterprises, housing can be explained by only one motive: the destruction and squeezing of the population. Inside the Southeast, too, went discord, perhaps this is what will destroy them. You can consider the Old on this subject a throw-in if you so want to see this. Future will tell. I put a plus, although you did not convince me, probably because I'm on my couch very far from your homeland.
              It was nice to chat with a reasonable caring person.
            2. P-38
              P-38 20 November 2014 11: 03
              +3
              Dear Cristall, thanks for the sincerity. I do not agree with everything that was said, but much of what you yourself wrote came to mind. In one I want to object. With Crimea, there was nowhere to go of the GDP, otherwise they (NATO, the EU) would have reached there too, it was not in vain that they organized a revolution. And the decision about the coup was not made in Kiev. Simply, Ukraine has actually already lost its independence; decisions for the country are made abroad. And the war with Russia for the lost territory, as you write, is being waged by the Russians and Ukrainians, but this war is being waged by the West. According to their will and desire
      2. KBR109
        KBR109 19 November 2014 20: 09
        +1
        Right. And betraying the mother is the last thing ...
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  4. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 19 November 2014 19: 03
    +10
    God be with him with Kiev, we must take it But in addition to it, Klitschko and the company will also get to him And from such a bonus you can earn heartburn wassat
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 19 November 2014 19: 09
      +7
      Quote: Ruslan67
      God be with him with Kiev, we must take it But after all, Klitschko and the company will also get to him in the appendage ...

      Well get what? The Tribunal waited for the defendants!
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 19 November 2014 19: 10
        +3
        Quote: PENZYAC
        Well get what?

        Have to hang request
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 19 November 2014 19: 18
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Well get what?

          Have to hang request

          Come on, we are humanists, we only kill enemies in battle, and we simply poison unarmed people against bunks. True, they will have to feed them for life with pastoral pasta, well, nothing, we will tolerate.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 19 November 2014 19: 25
            +1
            Quote: PENZYAC
            Well, nothing, we will tolerate.

            On another branch I wrote, Tired! Let each other feed like spiders in a jar
          2. alex-s
            alex-s 19 November 2014 19: 28
            +1
            True, you have to feed them for life with official pasta

            We still have so much forest not logged - it will work!
          3. twin22
            twin22 19 November 2014 22: 27
            0
            the pasta at the logging will work. Taiga is big.
            But there is not only Klitschko needed
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          5. yurgis68
            yurgis68 19 November 2014 23: 36
            0
            There is nothing to endure and translate pasta! In the Donbass all of them, let the reptiles restore!
        2. GUS
          GUS 19 November 2014 19: 37
          0
          Do not have to dump.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 19 November 2014 19: 26
      +9
      Quote: Ruslan67
      But after all, to him in the appendage is also Klitschko

      That you sho! We Klitschko almost became a separatist!
      Klitschko accused the government of bringing Kiev to bankruptcy
      The government patches “holes” in the state budget at the expense of local budgets, in particular, the city of Kiev.
      This was stated by the mayor of Kiev Vitali Klitschko during a working meeting of Kiev employers, entrepreneurs with the leadership of the capital.
      “Despite the fact that Kiev forms 30% of the state budget of Ukraine, the city budget remains empty for today. The budget deficit of the capital is about 2 billion hryvnia. The previous Government introduced absurd mechanisms of budgetary relations between the capital and the central government. And the current government takes advantage of this and patches holes in the state budget at the expense of local budgets, ”said Vitali Klitschko.
      The mayor also noted discrimination against Kiev, from the budget of which 50% of personal income tax is annually withdrawn. Today, this amount is about 9 billion UAH.
      “If in 2005, 400 million hryvnias were withdrawn from Kiev in favor of the central budget, then this year deductions amount to 9 billion hryvnias, - more than 20 times. In recent years alone, 33 billion hryvnias have been withdrawn from the budget of Kiev. The government keeps the capital on the verge of bankruptcy, ”the mayor of Kiev emphasized.
      He also noted that the lack of funding from the Government threatens the lives of people who need medicines.
      “Last week people came to us, whose life depends on the financing of treatment - this is hemodialysis, insulin. These medicines should be paid mainly from the Cabinet and partially from the city budget. But there is no money. And we have no choice but to go back to the Cabinet of Ministers and ask for a refund. Indeed, today metropolitan medicine is financed only by 58% of needs, salary - by 78%, purchase of medicines - by 48%, nutrition of patients - by 40%, ”said the Kiev mayor.
      According to Klitschko, the new Verkhovna Rada should first of all adopt a law abolishing the seizure of personal income tax in Kiev.
      http://vesti-ukr.com/kiev/78034-klichko-obvinil-pravitelstvo-v-dovedenii-kieva-d
      o-bankruptcy

      That’s who else would have told him that this is what the people of DNR_LNR sought! laughing
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 19 November 2014 19: 30
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        We Klitschko almost became a separatist!

        Was it really stupid again about something? If this goes further, then he will go to the Donbass to jam the head of the tower of dill tanks wassat Elena love
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 19 November 2014 19: 36
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        And we have no choice but to go back to the Cabinet of Ministers and ask for a refund.

        wrong go vital. go straight to the phasington regional committee. if you ask well, a couple of green papers will be given
      3. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 19 November 2014 19: 43
        +1
        Hi, hello! Perplexed as it is Vitalik
        mastered so many words, and especially those meaning
        which he does not understand?
        1. mervino2007
          mervino2007 19 November 2014 23: 06
          0
          AlNikolaich SU "Vitalik mastered so many words"


          Well, he has some parschucks. And I could read it on a piece of paper. The letter is not knocked out yet ....
    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 19 November 2014 19: 46
      +2
      Interestingly, how will you take Kiev? So the Nazis gave it to you on a silver platter and gave it. New Russia will have to destroy the fascists and nationalists with battles. And you have to reach the western borders. After such a cleaning, Klitschko and the company will definitely not get you. But cleaning up the population on their own and not their own after the war will still have to be carried out. In addition, fascist partisans will remain in the forests, and in Lviv and other western cities, an underground will operate that will wage a terrorist war. They also have to identify and destroy. Therefore, you are waiting for long and heavy battles and losses. Do not even count on an easy victory.
      1. drDriver
        drDriver 19 November 2014 20: 05
        0
        There are no forests where there is partisan, the rest can be surrounded by a thorn and a ditch dug up, let the partisans eat mushrooms and berries
      2. saksan
        saksan 19 November 2014 20: 21
        0
        Any war ends with a peace treaty. And this will end. According to a peace treaty, Galicia will move to Poland, Bukovina and Bessarabia to Romania, Crimea is already in Russia, the entire left bank and south of Ukraine is Novorussia, a people’s state without oligarchs. All oligarchs will remain on the reservation right bank of the Dnieper.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 19 November 2014 21: 40
          0
          Quote: saksan
          all the left bank and south of b / Ukraine is a Novorussia-people's state without oligarchs.

          Aha, shchaz! In the DPR-LPR, who do you think really rules - the people's power? The same oligarchs, only with the support of certain forces of the Russian Federation, dragged "theirs" to key positions ..
      3. Black
        Black 19 November 2014 21: 28
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Interestingly, how will you take Kiev?

        Where will you be?

        But essentially you are right. In the DNI and LC, 15-20% of combat-ready men are at war. The rest (for various reasons) do not want to. Who will go to Kiev?
  5. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 19 November 2014 19: 06
    +8
    FOR ANECDOT +. And ON THE TOPIC ... of course I have to take kuev, but the question only arises: do we need it? I DO NOT WANT TO feed Banderohokhlov again! maybe enough at our expense to restore someone’s economy?
    Medvedev's government to resign immediately! otherwise it will be too late! Siluanova, Nabiullin - under trial, as pests and enemies of the state!
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 19 November 2014 19: 14
      +10
      Quote: Victor Demchenko
      ... of course I have to take kuev, only the question arises: do we need it? I DO NOT WANT TO feed Banderohokhlov again! maybe enough at our expense to restore someone’s economy?
      ...

      And I do not want Ukraine to be a fascist Russophobic state. In my opinion, bargaining is not appropriate here!
      Unfortunately, you have to pay for everything, for a just peace and the unity of the "Russian world" too.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 19 November 2014 19: 21
        +1
        Quote: PENZYAC
        In my opinion, bargaining is not appropriate here!

        Quote: PENZYAC
        you have to pay for everything

        Tired of paying for someone else's idiocy Let the survivors crawl themselves and we'll see if it's worth it to mess with them Boiling! am
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 19 November 2014 19: 34
        +3
        Quote: PENZYAC
        And I do not want Ukraine to be a fascist Russophobic state.

        if you want, you don’t want, but she has already become such. not all of course, but ... sadly, but the brown ideology so far wins ((
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 19 November 2014 21: 37
          +1
          Quote: Lukich
          sadly, the brown ideology still wins (

          Firstly, it is actively supported and sponsored.
          Secondly, no one voiced an alternative to Nazi ideology in Ukraine. Donbass neither grunts nor calves. The opposite of Nazism is communism, but there is apparently no power to say it out loud. And those people of Ukraine who do not support the Nazis lack a unifying idea. To unite opponents Nazis, to give them a single vector, to unite the idea is a task for the titans. The West was able to organize the reincarnation of Nazism in Ukraine. The Ukrainians themselves are not organized, no matter how much they hate the Nazis.
    2. GUS
      GUS 19 November 2014 19: 42
      0
      Well, condemned, imprisoned, and who will replace them, are there any concrete proposals?
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 19 November 2014 20: 22
      0
      Somehow ridiculous and stupid you did, buddy Demchenko. And not funny.
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 19 November 2014 21: 22
      0
      Quote: Viktor Demchenko
      feed Banderohoklov again DO NOT WANT

      We have already talked about Banderohokhlov above. If you have to feed one of them, then only with a camp baland. And there will not be many of them alive. Under one condition: the army of Donbass should begin to liberate the territory of Ukraine. People are angry at the authorities, and having received material support They will restore justice in relation to Bandera’s power. They will also remember unfulfilled promises and relatives sent to slaughter ... You won’t believe it, but at the bazaar I heard old women saying that they were only living ... Yanukovych! Not under Brezhnev or Andropov -Chernenko, at Yanyka!
      Well, if by "hohlobanders" you mean the whole people of Ukraine, then all my life I have been at the very least killing myself. So God forbid the Galicians to die, and then we will somehow establish mutually beneficial relations. First, the TS, and then, and the USSR- 2.
  6. Lukich
    Lukich 19 November 2014 19: 11
    +7
    But will the Kuev militia have enough strength to take? I doubt it. it is how much dill to re-agitate, that in kuev the enemies of the outskirts are sitting, not in the Donbass
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 19 November 2014 19: 23
      +4
      Quote: Lukich
      But will the Kuev militia have enough strength to take? I doubt it. it is how much dill to re-agitate, that in kuev the enemies of the outskirts are sitting, not in the Donbass

      "General frost" will help them. And hunger is not an aunt. Brainless and spiteful "dill" will do everything (are already doing) to alienate the majority of the population.
      Remember what was the main difference between the first and second "Chechen wars"? In support of the local population ...
    2. Andrea
      Andrea 19 November 2014 19: 28
      +2
      Lukich SU Today, 19:11

      But will the Kuev militia have enough strength to take? I doubt it. it is how much dill to re-agitate, that in kuev the enemies of the outskirts are sitting, not in the Donbass

      I think there are not very many crazy people. To neutralize the top, many will come to mind. Most likely already begin to understand what they "namaydanili".
  7. Vadiara
    Vadiara 19 November 2014 19: 13
    +5
    I hope that for a start they will reach the borders of neighboring regions, and there we will see
  8. KBR109
    KBR109 19 November 2014 19: 13
    +3
    Ukraine, at least by 1992, was not a single people. Western regions were felt separately as something alien. The situation has changed ? Maybe. The one who slept for 23 years is guilty - our special services and their leaders. And I don’t need here about the will of the people ... The enemies haven’t slept and worked successfully these years ... So they are trying to tear off a piece of the Russian World from us and so far - horror - successfully. And then another piece may become ... About those next, too, how about the enemies we will shout?
  9. PValery53
    PValery53 19 November 2014 19: 14
    +3
    After the "processing" of the troops sent by Kiev in the Donbass, an opportunity will open up for the capture of Kiev. Debts must be "returned"!
  10. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 19 November 2014 19: 16
    +3
    lol I don’t understand why Kiev should be taken; he’ll come running himself ... Not the first time to the left .. Only one thing, but the dirt on it like a husky dog ​​should be cleaned ...
  11. Denis fj
    Denis fj 19 November 2014 19: 16
    +5
    I recently watched the Russian TV series "White Guard", it is clear that the junta banned it. There are a lot of parallels with modern ukriya, you can list it for a long time. It is necessary to wait for the simple Kievans to wait for the liberation of the city by Novorossia, as in Bulgakov's monarchist Turbin was waiting for the liberation from the Bolsheviks. While they still believe the Facebook of pedophile Avakov, the tweeter of the bugger Lyashko, and the appeals of Grishin's hydrocephalus. As long as they believe that the rabble they call the army and so on, the National Guard can not only destroy Novorossiya but also take Moscow, but this is only for now, curative fasting and cryotherapy can treat this, and in neglected forms, unfortunately, only life-giving euthanasia will help.
    1. mch1950
      mch1950 19 November 2014 20: 01
      +1
      Yes, the Nazis do not believe in any victory, work out handouts and prepare to blame. And they will win, as Bulgakov described, the Reds.
      The Red Army is all the stronger.
  12. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 19 November 2014 19: 19
    +1
    I do not agree with a respected author. The article considers the civil war within the state, but does not take into account the influence of other states, as well as the purpose of the civil war. History knows many examples when civil wars ended with the secession of part of the state without taking the capital of the latter: the War of US Independence (although it probably cannot be considered a civil war), South Ossetia and Abkhazia. So the scenario of the development of events is quite real when the airborne forces will not be able to conduct active hostilities for economic reasons (Now the war is being fought with the money of the USA and Europe, but this cannot continue for a long time).
  13. Leksandrych
    Leksandrych 19 November 2014 19: 28
    +6
    Rogozin is the prime minister, and Glazyev is at the Central Bank.
  14. NDR-791
    NDR-791 19 November 2014 19: 28
    0
    I do not think that Kiev should be TAKEN to win. It is enough to bring chaos to the dill authorities so that the failure is deafening, with a bang! plus a little bit of cold, a little empty shelves in stores and it will be like we all had in the late eighties. Insolvency of the power is directly rushing from everywhere, today I watched how a heart attack happened at the competition of eating dumplings with the winner. Well, it's not a fit, but a competition. At the same time, dill prisoners of war are stinging that they are bending with hunger. Such subjects do not show them in dill, so let's show them in captivity, and then change them and let them tell them how they really care about them with gunpowder.
  15. Leonidych
    Leonidych 19 November 2014 19: 34
    +2
    but who or what is there to take in Kuev-kukuev ?! once it’s good to shoot and everyone will run away ...
  16. Password
    Password 19 November 2014 19: 35
    +2
    I apologize for the harshness, but IMHO the article is empty. No logic, no analysis, just a set of common phrases. And the conclusion that "Moscow will not be able to recognize the people's republics of Novorossiya" is not clear on what it is based. And in order to take Kiev, at least the situation in the Donbass must first be sorted out, the ukronatsiks must be driven out of the DPR and LPR, and even better, the ukrokhunte must be militaryly defeated. It is then that real conditions will arise for the formation of a large New Russia, with the inclusion of Kiev in it is possible. And before that, you can fantasize as much as you like.
  17. Chernig
    Chernig 19 November 2014 19: 36
    0
    it will all be. a matter of time, and unfortunately at the cost of human lives
  18. Alekc1000
    Alekc1000 19 November 2014 19: 41
    +1
    Quote: Penelope
    Kiev should be a Russian city, because he is the mother of Russian cities.

    One Hundred Pounds .... !!!!!!!
  19. captain
    captain 19 November 2014 19: 41
    +4
    In Ukraine, there is not just a civil war, but the most severe forms of civil war - ethnic and confessional. Ethnic wars, like religious ones, are more destructive and bloody in their consequences than social wars. In the XX century. long-standing inter-tribal hostility in many countries has led to civil wars, where the opposing sides openly used nationalist slogans. Examples of the sea at the present stage; in Africa, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia. The Islamic State has not yet shown its beastly face. In Ukraine, everything started with jumping ropes, whoever does not jump is the "b". It seems harmless, then the repeal of the law on regional languages ​​(let's not dissemble, it mainly concerned Russian), although after a shout from Hungary, Romania and Slovakia, the law was suspended, but only suspended. The ban on viewing Russian channels did not surprise anyone. Then the seizure of churches belonging to the Moscow Patriarchate and the latest news, a union was signed in Rovno, between the bishops of the UOC of the Moscow Patriarchate, the Kiev Patriarchate, the Autocephalous Church and the Uniate Church, not all bishops, but the beginning laid to form only one powerful Uniate church. Rewriting history, glorifying the non-existent state of Ukraine until 1917, I recommend reading school textbooks. Wild Russophobia in the Ukrainian media, where they gradually teach that all misfortunes in Ukraine are from the Russians. Anyone who does not agree with this policy is offered to take a suitcase and go to Russia, while besides the suitcase, they are not allowed to take anything else. And the people, whose ancestors conquered these lands from the Ottomans and Crimean Tatars, want to take their land as well. The war is turning more and more into ethnic and inter-confessional. And until one of the parties wins, the war will not end.
    1. vovan1949
      vovan1949 19 November 2014 20: 14
      0
      Quote: captain
      Rewriting history, with the glorification of the non-existent state of Ukraine before 1917, I recommend reading school books


      In your opinion, Gogol wrote the poem "Quiet Ukrainian Night" after 1917? laughing
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 19 November 2014 20: 41
        +2
        This was written by A.S. Pushkin. And "Ukrainian" meant geography, like the phrase "Siberian frost". And no administrative and political division.
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 20 November 2014 01: 03
        0
        Quote: vovan1949
        Rewriting history, with the glorification of the non-existent state of Ukraine before 1917, I recommend reading school books

        oh there was recently an article where the Crimean Khan said "Russians to share with the Cossacks "Probably Yeltsin's ancestor ..
        everybody is engaged in postscripts in history .. "Russians" too.
        As for Ukraine, I have always had a wild question: why is it Ukraine that is brutally interested in every little thing, even a textbook? After all, everything in the post-Soviet space has changed and read in other republics. But Russians read only Ukrainian ..
        Sometimes I learn this only on VO..ni in the local news and on VO I learn about the theories of some "Ukrainian scientists" about which in Ukraine they do not want to hear.
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    3. Baloo
      Baloo 19 November 2014 20: 25
      +1
      Bravo captain! Objectively and realistically. I overturned 1 Khortytsa Drink for you.
  20. RazvedosNVI
    RazvedosNVI 19 November 2014 19: 45
    +3
    Ukrainians bought a supercomputer in the USA. They brought it to Ukraine, collected it, turned it on, asked the question:
    - Who will be the president of Ukraine in 2020?
    The computer thought, thought for a week, then gave the answer:
    - Which Ukraine?
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 19 November 2014 20: 26
      +2
      Why did Cain kill Abel’s brother? For the fact that Abel told old jokes.
  21. GUS
    GUS 19 November 2014 19: 46
    +1
    , "But do not deceive yourself: Kiev will still have to be taken.
    There is no other way. "

    It should be so, maybe not the first time.
  22. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 19 November 2014 19: 49
    0
    Well, actually, all wars end with someone else's victory.
    Putting the right questions is an esssno good move.
    In the hope that the question will be at least part of the answer.
    But having "taken" Kiev, other issues must be resolved.
    And the most important question: what to do with the Maidan consciousness (what to do with the Khokhlov mentality)?
    Even if Moscow "considers" Ukraine a part of the Russian world, it understands perfectly well that "mos..kal" is a word that has become a fairly strong word in everyday life.
    What happened is not only in Ukraine ...
    All over the Russian world.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 19 November 2014 22: 07
      0
      Quote: Alcoholic
      "mos..kal" is a word that has settled down quite well in everyday life.
      What happened is not only in Ukraine ...
      All over the Russian world.
      Maybe this is not "the whole Russian world", but delirium? You and Navalny and Sobchak will write down the Russian world, but do they need it?
      Quote: Alcoholic
      And the most important question: what to do with the Maidan consciousness (what to do with the Khokhlov mentality)?
      Firstly, it is necessary to separate the "xoxlov mentality" from the "zapadensky mentality", since xoxlovsky = Orthodox-Cossack = Russian, and zapadensky = Uniate-Catholic = they themselves jump and teach the xoxlov. Secondly, what did the Soviet government do with different "mentalities"? The mentality is not fast, but changing.
  23. cloud
    cloud 19 November 2014 19: 49
    +1
    After such a sabbath, which arranged Kiev coping with evil, it is quite realistic that Kiev will have to pay the bills and repent.

    What goes around, comes around.
    The law of sowing and harvesting has not been canceled.
  24. dr.star75
    dr.star75 19 November 2014 19: 54
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 (5) RU Today, 19:03 AM New

    God be with him with Kiev, we must take it But in addition to it, Klitschko and the company will also get to him And from this bonus you can earn wassat heartburn

    Let’s give Zadornov as a visual aid. lol
  25. alexbobin2012
    alexbobin2012 19 November 2014 19: 56
    +1
    To take, or not to take, Kiev? This will be decided in the Donbass, and with them six more Russian regions that awakened, which Vovan Lenin gave the Ukrainians along with the population, and again without their consent, like Nikita, the harmonist-dancer and the entertainer-mass entertainer, gave them Crimea.
  26. Mindaugas
    Mindaugas 19 November 2014 19: 58
    +12
    I think that before taking Kiev, it is necessary to restore order in the United States. As long as the imperialists are sitting there, there will be no peace in any corner of the world ...
  27. crambol
    crambol 19 November 2014 20: 00
    +1
    And Kiev will have to take. . .



    Guys, just please without massacre - quietly, politely and quickly!



  28. Quantum
    Quantum 19 November 2014 20: 00
    +6
    Why the hell do you need Kiev? Too much effort and blood. Russia is more
    Needs Mariupol, Kherson and Kharkov, where the infrastructure is preserved
    and military industry. Kiev and its loyal areas will fall apart by themselves, due to turmoil in the economy. The most important thing is to deliver a powerful blow to the Armed Forces, to finish it off completely.
    1. Militia
      Militia 19 November 2014 22: 48
      +2
      Why the hell do you need Kiev? Too much effort and blood


      NEEDED. If only because Kiev is the city of HERO and many of our fathers and grandfathers were killed for it during World War II.
      NEEDED. If only because Kiev is called the mother of Russian cities. Prince Vladimir baptized Rus precisely in Kiev. And since the time of the Baptism of Russia, more than one million Russian soldiers from all sorts of Khazars, fascists and other evil spirits stood and died for this city.
      You can go on for a long time why Russia needs Kiev. I hope there is no need to explain that Russia began with Kievan Rus.
      Yes, I agree with you that there is too much effort and blood. But freedom in Russia, at all times, since its foundation was worth it. Freedom and independence are never cheap. For everything you have to pay in full.
      And if Kiev is not a Russian city, then very soon we will all watch treading graves and demolishing monuments to RUSSIAN soldiers, who have always been WINNERS in all battles. You don’t have to go far for an example; look at the Baltic states.
      At least that’s why Kiev is NECESSARY for us.
  29. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 19 November 2014 20: 02
    +2
    It is sad and bitter to realize that war cannot be avoided, unless of course some miracle. Sorry for people. The dead, crying for the dead, children without childhood. And in fact, because of a bunch of greedy, hated "little people". They don't know what they are doing. The mercantile self is above the well-being of ALL.
  30. Prussian
    Prussian 19 November 2014 20: 07
    +1
    There is not a single argument in favor of preserving Ukraine in its current form. If not at this turn of history, then at the next turn it will surely be dumped into a ditch and then Kiev will fall into your hands. Is there any point in speeding up events? It is much more elegant to play a long game, to wait for the final collapse of this project, so that the descendants with a shudder draw themselves the image of the "square"
  31. Valkh
    Valkh 19 November 2014 20: 20
    0
    Quote: Giant thought
    It is advisable to quickly, until all of Ukraine has been plundered, but they have not shoved mattresses for cheap.

    If and shove!?! Who then recognizes these shoves, besides pe.dosov ??? laughing
  32. vlad223
    vlad223 19 November 2014 20: 31
    +6
    Kiev has long been occupied by immigrants from Western Ukraine - rotten through and through ... Schuher needs to be done in Kiev, but Novorossia does not need it. The south of Ukraine is both seaports, and shipyards, etc., but we can do without Kiev. (I live in the south of Ukraine)
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 19 November 2014 20: 46
      0
      After reading the comments I had a question: do I need Kiev in New Russia? And here is the answer, from the field, as they say.
  33. Vasily Ivashov
    Vasily Ivashov 19 November 2014 20: 33
    +3
    The article is correct, but the only thing I strongly disagree with is the fact that Novorossia needs to go to Kiev faster. Read Uksmi and it will become clear that now the campaign to Kiev will end in very big blood. We must wait for the third Maidan, which will manifest itself as if spread out throughout Ukraine. And now, when all the internal disorder and dysfunction is transferred by the inhabitants of Ukraine to Russia and the separatists, you can’t go on a campaign, you need to feel sorry for the militias and volunteers. The landing of NATO troops on the territory of the country can be considered as a gift for Novorosia, by the way, NATO understands this.
  34. sv68
    sv68 19 November 2014 20: 35
    +2
    whether we want it or not, but the author is right in the sense that Kiev needs to be torn out of the fascist swamp and cleaned from dishonesty like the rest of the territory of the former ukroiny. our house will begin its demonic races. Cleaning up the territories will be long and difficult, but this procedure is necessary for our calm future.
  35. Queen Mother
    Queen Mother 19 November 2014 20: 36
    +3
    World without rules

    http://amfora.livejournal.com/149695.html

    Allowing Washington to occupy Kiev - Washington occupies Kiev. Whether this is legitimate or not is unimportant. No one asks. Allowed - it means you can. Allowed to arrange in Kiev Maidan - then you can. Allowed to bomb the city - it means you can.

    Nothing personal, just business. Just one allowed others to shoot a little. They shot. Do not like it - do not let it.

    As in sports: yawned - missed. Do not snooze!

    But unlike sport, there is no arbiter in the world.
  36. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 19 November 2014 20: 38
    +2
    Why take Kiev? It’s necessary to defend Novorossia, and let the rest enjoy the achievements of the Maidan. Truly, it’s a pity ... They washed their brains and they think that they are protecting them from aggression. Here they are plowing three shifts in weapons production ..
    1. Grishka cat
      Grishka cat 19 November 2014 20: 55
      0
      You can’t win a war in defense!
  37. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 19 November 2014 20: 39
    +4
    "... guys! in order for Kiev to stop shelling Donbass, Donbass will still have to take Kiev sooner or later ...."

    All ... DOT .... and bold.
    Neither the second nor the third is given .... It is not known when .... although it may be tomorrow.

    This is Russian land and the Americans in vain wanted to bite off a piece of Russian land.
    And perhaps there will be a walk-field, a nuclear cloud will cover - but the Americans will never get it. The Russians will rather first fight each other, and then measure themselves and conduct a nuclear attack on Washington in response. As they say, it is better to die all at once, than to sell out and give your own. A slave is the psychology of life, and Russians have never been slaves. And we always stood up for ourselves and "for that guy."

    In life, I am a generous person and not greedy, but if a "kopeck" is my HONOR, I will not give it up and let them kill me better. This is how my father taught me and this is how my grandfather lived. Because we are RUSSIAN.
  38. Nicoloo
    Nicoloo 19 November 2014 20: 40
    +2
    So far, the big problem is mass consciousness. Ukrainians still believe in a fabulous Ukraine.
  39. 31rus
    31rus 19 November 2014 20: 56
    +1
    I do not agree with the author, there is a global redistribution, development of scenarios and capabilities of the warring parties, we need to look wider. Ukraine is a testing ground and there is no need to look for the culprits. The Ukrainian people themselves have allowed and unleashed this war and are killing them themselves. , at the cost of their well-being, they put things in order at home, only then will the Ukrainian reach where the friend is and where the enemy is
  40. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 19 November 2014 21: 00
    +6
    Before you take something (in real life) can we take these? And men!
    FOR EXAMPLE: UK website - www.russian-club.net/classifieds_add.html
    OR ; French portal - www.annonces-rus.com/publish/success.html
    OR ; newspaper where you can leave articles and links in the comments - www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/63e12fe0-6d52-11e4-8f96-00144 ..
    We must win the info war first! And then .. (they dealt a powerful informational blow to Russia very professionally .. and now they are hammering) So the "sofa" special troops .. Much depends on us! You need to cover Russia .. bully
  41. Straight
    Straight 19 November 2014 21: 03
    0
    And what prevents to recognize the DPR, LPR and deal with Novorossiya and Kiev? The impression is completely different - the "Kremlin" seems to be unable to believe that it is time to act quickly and decisively, that "THIS has begun," but they still cannot believe that the time of bliss and theft is over ... and the times of severe trials have begun
  42. mivail
    mivail 19 November 2014 21: 06
    0
    For the campaign to Kiev, the SE has not enough strength. But the Natsiks are intensively preparing for the winter campaign, they have already reopened the Peonies. It means that the cities will be destroyed to the ground. They have a specific task, to free up territories for oil shale mining. So the Indians must be driven from the land, or destroyed.
  43. shurik
    shurik 19 November 2014 21: 34
    +4
    Here, too, everything is simple: Moscow does not just consider

    Moscow seems to have forgotten how to count. Profukali Ukraine in Moscow !!!!
  44. xavbek7
    xavbek7 19 November 2014 22: 08
    0
    the author of the article is Moscow the whole of Russia? Or is her opinion a priori dogma? I think not ... or are you saying Moscow, in this name you identify all of Russia? Moscow in my opinion (little man) snickering. There is Putin and Russia! and Muscovy, gobbled up and overgrown, puts sticks in the wheels of OUR LEADER !!! Not without reason in the Caucasus, among the guys who defended and defend the Constitutional system of our GREAT COUNTRY, there is a saying: Khankala, Muscovites, pi..do..ra..sy-informers. Something like this...
  45. kotyara1963
    kotyara1963 19 November 2014 22: 11
    0
    And to hell with us Kiev? Mariupol, Zaporizhia, Kherson, Odessa, well, Dnepropetrovsk with Zaporozhye ... And let them live there!
  46. wanderer987
    wanderer987 19 November 2014 22: 21
    +1
    Ukraine itself should put things in order, so that later there would be no talk about the next Russian occupation, but the threads from the "kaklovodov" because of the "puddle" must be taken away so that "the water is not muddied", but the task is difficult, but it must be solved!
  47. v245721
    v245721 19 November 2014 22: 35
    0
    Kiev is the cradle of Orthodoxy. I’m thinking of taking it, I won’t have to, he will throw off fascism. and will return the true name of Kievan Rus. and all this riffraff will scatter all over the west. but the punishment for their deeds will come inevitably.
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 20 November 2014 02: 20
      0
      Geyropa in an attack of tolerance is Islamized, and the outskirts are urgently catholicized! After all, everything is being done to eradicate Orthodoxy on the outskirts: they seize temples, and priests are pressed not childishly! You begin to believe in the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy against the Russian world. angry
  48. Tribuns
    Tribuns 19 November 2014 22: 45
    0
    What is Lekuh singing? Take Kiev! In lekukh, it turns out that if we do not take Kiev, we will lose to Kiev Donbass ... A provocative conclusion, because everyone understands that Russophobic views prevail in Ukraine now and going to Ukraine is suicidal ... And, then again, in lekukh, it follows that since Kiev is too tough for us, we need to "drain" Donbass ... I don’t like that this Lekuh ... We know examples from history that Lekuh is silent about: Czech Republic and Slovakia - instead of Czechoslovakia; Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro ... - from Yugoslavia; Abkhazia, South Ossetia - from Georgia; Transnistria - from Moldova ... Personally, I do not like the radical calls of the Russian writer Dmitry Valerianovich, in the recent past an active member of the radical wing of the fans of the football "Spartak" ...
  49. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 19 November 2014 23: 08
    0
    We will winter, wait and see!
  50. Yugra
    Yugra 19 November 2014 23: 09
    +6
    Good luck in the capture of their cities, and in the capture of Kiev ...