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The head of Roscosmos: Beijing is interested in the production of Russian rocket engines on its territory

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China is interested in the production of Russian rocket engines, in cooperation in the field of astronautics, remote sensing of the Earth and satellite navigation, reports RIA News with reference to the head of Roscosmos Oleg Ostapenko.

The head of Roscosmos: Beijing is interested in the production of Russian rocket engines on its territory


“During our visit to China, we and our partners discussed various areas of cooperation - satellite navigation, remote sensing of the Earth, production of the electronic component base, materials science, production of spacecraft, manned programs, rocket engine building. I will report on the results of my working trip to China to the government, after which it will be possible to talk in which directions we will actively cooperate with them. ”- Ostapenko told reporters.

He did not rule out that in the future it is possible to exchange visits of manned spacecraft to the orbital stations of China and Russia. He did not rule out the head of Roscosmos and the organization of joint missions for the study of deep space.

“We are open to cooperation in our work, but on an equal footing”- said Ostapenko.
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  1. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov 18 November 2014 19: 08
    +30
    It is necessary to cooperate with these comrades, but they are very fond of moderately copying.
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      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 18 November 2014 19: 19
        +10
        Quote: fox21h
        If pen_dos could not copy H33, then these with normal indicators will not be able, at least for now, the main thing is not to give them licensed production, which would not work like 27 drying


        The tsimmes of our engines is not in design, but in idea. Very complex mathematics describes the principle of the combustion chamber. The shape of the combustion chamber is so complex that it cannot be copied, and without a combustion chamber the engine will not show anything outstanding.
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 18 November 2014 19: 34
          +16
          Quote: Geisenberg
          The shape of the combustion chamber is so complex that it cannot be copied,


          But for this, the head of Roscosmos said: Beijing is interested in the production of Russian rocket engines on its territory ... laughing
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 18 November 2014 19: 43
            +20
            Quote: SHILO
            Quote: Geisenberg
            The shape of the combustion chamber is so complex that it cannot be copied,


            But for this, the head of Roscosmos said: Beijing is interested in the production of Russian rocket engines on its territory ... laughing

            Beijing is of course interested in this. But are we interested in this?
            1. andj61
              andj61 18 November 2014 20: 40
              +6
              Quote: PENZYAC
              Beijing is of course interested in this. But are we interested in this?

              It’s more profitable for us to sell ready-made engines. And it is possible to establish production in China only if they themselves have something more efficient.
          2. varov14
            varov14 18 November 2014 19: 46
            +3
            I'm tired of eating cream, I decided to switch to serum, yes, glavaaaa.
            1. news
              news 18 November 2014 20: 18
              +2
              Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the United States will not be able to subjugate Russia, the correspondent of "Gazeta.Ru" reports.

              “They [USA] do not want to humiliate us, they want to subjugate us. They want to solve their problems at our expense, they want to subordinate us to their influence ... ”, the head of state said.

              He noted that this strategy is doomed to failure in advance. “No one has ever succeeded in this in relation to Russia, and no one will succeed,” the president emphasized.

              Earlier it became known that US President Barack Obama threatened Russia with further isolation.
            2. news
              news 18 November 2014 20: 42
              0
              The countries of the European Union and NATO are trying to convince France to refuse the supply of Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia.

              This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister of Poland, head of the defense department of the Republic Tomasz Semonyak, who took part in a planned meeting of EU defense ministers.

              According to him, this topic was widely discussed on the sidelines of the talks in Brussels. “The pressure on France is very large. I hope that France will make a decision based on the interests of its presence in the alliance, ”said the Polish minister.

              “We are opposed to our NATO ally and EU partner selling such high-tech weapons to a country that pursues an aggressive policy and poses a potential threat to Europe,” said Semonyak.
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 18 November 2014 19: 56
            +10
            Quote: SHILO
            But for this, the head of Roscosmos said: Beijing is interested in the production of Russian rocket engines on its territory ..


            Let them do the general assembly. Critical technologies and physico-chemical methods of processing materials, of course, do not need to be transferred to them. As far as I remember, MAI Faculty No. 2 has always been closed (Department 205 “Aircraft Engine Production Technologies”) smile
            The Chinese want the RD-170. Ours say please, Energomash "is able to master any volume, but the Chinese want their own production and technology, which will allow them to overcome the lag behind us in 15-20 years. All their promising developments have not achieved success.
            At this stage, the Chinese will be denied. Perhaps in the future when Energomash completes the program of the promising Engine-2100 liquid propellant rocket engine, then it will be possible to think in order not to lose Russia's technological superiority.
            1. SHILO
              SHILO 18 November 2014 20: 21
              +4
              Quote: Ascetic
              Faculty number 2 MAI as far as I remember has always been closed


              Your speeches to God for a meeting! But! But Гlava has already spoken ... sad
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 18 November 2014 22: 11
                +2
                Quote: SHILO
                Your speeches to God for a meeting! But! But the chapter has already spoken ..

                While the insider is ... of course, as will happen next request
            2. Yves762
              Yves762 18 November 2014 20: 49
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              At this stage, the Chinese will be denied. Perhaps in the future when Energomash completes the program of the promising Engine-2100 liquid propellant rocket engine, then it will be possible to think in order not to lose Russia's technological superiority.

              It is necessary not earlier than launching gravitsaps in a series and for chat ...
              what But seriously, after so on time dramatically accelerated agreement on gas (in particular), doubts remain about ... um ... t.s. who promised what and to whom and agreed ...
          4. news
            news 18 November 2014 20: 35
            +2
            Why NATO is afraid of Russia
        2. aleks 62
          aleks 62 19 November 2014 10: 43
          0
          The tsimmes of our engines is not in design, but in idea. Very complex mathematics describes the principle of the combustion chamber. The shape of the combustion chamber is so complex that it cannot be copied, and without a combustion chamber the engine will not show anything outstanding.

          ...... Don’t tell my friend ...... Everyone knows the design of the centrifuge for uranium enrichment ..... But only 2-3 countries of the world can do them ..... Although in principle a very simple design .. ..Not only the idea is the matter, but also the willow structure ... hi
      2. Belopolyak
        Belopolyak 18 November 2014 19: 38
        +5
        Quote: fox21h
        If pen_dos could not copy H33, then these with normal indicators will not be able, at least for now, the main thing is not to give them licensed production, which would not work like 27 drying

        Selling a finished engine is one thing, but setting up production is another. There, the manufacturing technology of components and all the documentation in general are all completely.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 18 November 2014 19: 46
          +5
          Quote: Belopolsky
          Quote: fox21h
          If pen_dos could not copy H33, then these with normal indicators will not be able, at least for now, the main thing is not to give them licensed production, which would not work like 27 drying

          Selling a finished engine is one thing, but setting up production is another. There, the manufacturing technology of components and all the documentation in general are all completely.

          As comrade Bender said: "Maybe they should also be given the key to the apartment where the money is"? Their lip is not stupid.
      3. alone
        alone 18 November 2014 20: 08
        +2
        ))))) You carefully read. Production on its territory. This is a copy. You just have to fork out))))
      4. Sabroc
        Sabroc 18 November 2014 21: 16
        0
        Well, then drying is drying, but they can’t reproduce the engine, surge. Sir, surge!
      5. Savva30
        Savva30 18 November 2014 22: 18
        +1
        maybe it’s not worth checking them for strength, they can suddenly copy and recruit people ...
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 18 November 2014 19: 15
      +6
      Quote: Anton Gavrilov
      It is necessary to cooperate with these comrades, but they are very fond of moderately copying.


      Just refuse. Or give outdated to production.
      1. skeket
        skeket 18 November 2014 19: 46
        +3
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Just refuse. Or give outdated to production.

        as previously suggested, only the sale and a very large batch, so that copying is not advisable. For example, the numbers in this case are not important, to conclude a contract for 500 engines for 10 years, after 10 years we will come up with a new engine, and the Chinese have just mastered 500 engines during this time.
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 18 November 2014 19: 50
        +3
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Quote: Anton Gavrilov
        It is necessary to cooperate with these comrades, but they are very fond of moderately copying.


        Just refuse. Or give outdated to production.

        Do not hold the Chinese for idiots, their outdated technologies and designs, just like us, are not interested.
        It’s just that it’s impossible to refuse rudely either, it’s necessary to justify diplomatically somehow.
        Although, you can just keep quiet and that's it.
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 18 November 2014 19: 16
      +12
      Well, are we really interested in having our rocket engines assemble in Chinese territory, these are not cars.
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    5. vdtomsk
      vdtomsk 18 November 2014 19: 37
      +4
      If anyone watched a tank biathlon, then they probably noticed that the copy to the original is not a rival ...
    6. varov14
      varov14 18 November 2014 19: 40
      +3
      And they do not want to open "factories" for the production of electronics in our country, so for internal use - backgammon "iPhones", armies of eyes, ears, and most importantly brains.
    7. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 18 November 2014 19: 46
      +3
      THESE rocket engines ...
      "Beijing" must - BUYroll to them! angry
      (and will be happy IT!) lol
    8. predator.3
      predator.3 18 November 2014 20: 06
      +2
      China is interested in the production of Russian rocket engines, in cooperation in the field of astronautics, remote sensing of the Earth and satellite navigation,

      Greyhounds, t. Hunhuzy! not by washing, so by skating, everyone climbs and climbs, planes and other military equipment have already been copied, now give rocket technology, you give them a finger, and they will nibble off a bit!
    9. Finches
      Finches 18 November 2014 20: 19
      +1
      You need to work in any way! The closer our ties with China are intertwined, the narrower the point in the USA! laughing
      1. Finches
        Finches 18 November 2014 20: 42
        -1
        Who is it that made me sick? Could it be McCain, or Obama himself, why there! laughing laughing
      2. Sharky
        Sharky 18 November 2014 20: 55
        +3
        But I agree with you about cooperation! I’ve already thrown down the minuses for such statements, but ... I need a cold calculation! Only the patriots shout that we have only 2 friends: the army and the navy! But alone we will not stand against all NATO members! It is a fact! Even if you imagine for a second that Russia suddenly had a fleet commensurate with NATO, we simply don’t have enough people in the country to manage everything, I'm talking about quality specialists. Also with the army. We don’t have so many people. We need an ally! But here is a double edged sword. You need to be cunning and seek your own benefits, and not on rotten terms, agree and transfer technologies. We will give the last shirt to China and we will not be immediately interested in it. It needs a competent and even tricky approach!
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 November 2014 21: 14
          +1
          I will support you, but correct a little, with your permission! It is not necessary to be cunning, but wise when building allied relations! You cannot trade your interests, but a situation may arise that the Chinese people will have to join the battle on our side! It would be better if it would be from the heart, and not only from the benefits, that is, we must respect the Chinese people, including our actions in relation to them!
          1. Sharky
            Sharky 18 November 2014 22: 55
            +1
            Well, here I can only add:

            Cunning leads to success faster than strength.

            Al-Muradi

            Hundreds of times the cunning helped to win not only in disputes, but also in a real war. M. I. Kutuzov said: “I can’t fight, I’ll try to outwit”.

            Cunning as such cannot be unambiguously determined by virtue or vice, in and of itself it does not carry a positive or negative charge. Only the ultimate goal resolves this issue. Cunning is an effective tool that enables a person to achieve the goal in the shortest possible way. For example, with a scalpel, you can save a human life during an operation, or you can cut the victim’s throat, with a knife you can carve wood, making a wonderful drawing, or you can stab a person in a drunken brawl. In other words, cunning as an instrument of the mind can not be attributed to either advantages or disadvantages, it can be used if you strictly observe the commandment - do no harm, but use what you have for the benefit of yourself and people.
            http://podskazki.info/xitrost/
            hi
    10. Denimax
      Denimax 18 November 2014 20: 51
      +2
      The Chinese right now, they can really want a lot. You have to be on the alert and not let them get much stronger. And then it will not be long when they wring out the Far East, and leave like Alaska once.
    11. Siberian German
      Siberian German 18 November 2014 20: 52
      0
      that's for sure - then the full paragraph will be
    12. Pervusha Isaev
      Pervusha Isaev 18 November 2014 21: 36
      0
      the Chinese have been occupied with space for 40 years already, and also can’t do the engine themselves, like pin_day? all rely on ours?
    13. soviet skytourist
      soviet skytourist 18 November 2014 23: 33
      0
      It is necessary to cooperate with these comrades, but they are very fond of moderately copying.
    14. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 19 November 2014 08: 00
      +1
      Beijing is interested in the production of Russian rocket engines on its territory

      and hell is not meat? can they produce drying and s-400? Friendship is friendship, but security must be watched.
  2. BARKAS
    BARKAS 18 November 2014 19: 09
    +3
    Well, whoever doubted Beijing would not miss such a chance!
    1. Denis fj
      Denis fj 18 November 2014 19: 15
      +9
      They are stealing technologies around the world, engaged in technical espionage, and Russia, having invested a lot of money on development, training specialists and other things, will give them all this so that over time they begin to punch themselves, without saying thank you. The Chinese are good comrades, but cunning, like all Asians
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 18 November 2014 20: 00
      +2
      The Chinese are interested in producing everything. And even agree to a partnership, until about the time when the need for a partner disappears. After which the partner is invited to go to a known address.
  3. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 18 November 2014 19: 10
    +10
    Beijing is, of course, interested. What is Moscow’s interest in? Only in the pockets of officials? Let its production stand idle ...
    1. Penelope
      Penelope 18 November 2014 19: 22
      0
      If they will do it, but only under a license, so as not to free.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 18 November 2014 19: 58
        +1
        Quote: Penelope
        If they will do it, but only under a license, so as not to free.

        Is it all about money? Or maybe it is better to produce by ourselves, including for their needs? It is even more profitable in money. But here, too, there is still the question of protection from industrial espionage and illegal copying. The Chinese are famous for shameless theft of other people's ideas.
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        2. Viktor Kudinov
          Viktor Kudinov 19 November 2014 03: 17
          0
          Absolutely agree. A conversation on this topic can only be if they fully compensate our claims for projects and developments stolen in Russia and pay for licenses for further work with them with their compensations. soldier
  4. siberalt
    siberalt 18 November 2014 19: 11
    +2
    Cheap rabsila. Part of us arrived, and taxes and jobs to China. Not sickly for the PRC!
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 18 November 2014 20: 00
      0
      Quote: siberalt
      Cheap rabsila. Part of us arrived, and taxes and jobs to China. Not sickly for the PRC!

      Yes, it’s not enough for them a long time ago, the appetite comes with eating ...
  5. gav6757
    gav6757 18 November 2014 19: 13
    +12
    The Chinese guys are good, but from world experience it is clear that you need to be friends with them from far away!
    There is a proverb - "IF THE CROCODILE EATED YOUR Enemy, IT DOES NOT SAY THAT HE BECAME YOUR FRIEND"!
    Today, our interests with China are similar, but China is not at all willing to cut a little territory for itself, for example, our Siberia. I do not propose thinking badly about the Chinese, you just need to be on guard !!!
  6. figwam
    figwam 18 November 2014 19: 14
    +3
    Yes, give them free rein they will grow tomatoes on the stars.
  7. GRF
    GRF 18 November 2014 19: 14
    +1
    What about technology sharing?
    Let us organize a couple of factories for the production of components ...
    1. FACKtoREAL
      FACKtoREAL 18 November 2014 19: 36
      +1
      What about technology sharing?
      Let us organize a couple of factories for the production of components ...

      belay We give them a plant for the production of popcorn and cotton candy, and they .... fellow
      NANO-technologies, super-duper electronics, etc., etc., .....
      wassat
      ALL serious science-intensive technologies in China are "borrowed from outside" ... request
      Modern China - Giant Handicraft Industrial XEROX (with cheap powder) ... tongue
  8. Denis fj
    Denis fj 18 November 2014 19: 16
    +14
    TV channel "Star":

    In 2003, Moscow and Beijing signed a contract for licensed production of the Su-27SK in China. But in the end, of the 200 sets ordered, the Celestial Empire bought only half, explaining the failure by the low combat capabilities of the Su-27. And concentrated on his own project J-11B. And everyone knew that he was largely copying the Sukhov Su-27/30 aircraft. In parallel, the Chinese with Russian help created two competitors to the Russian MiG-29 fighters: J-10 and FC-1. According to Chinese estimates, licensed production of the Su-27SK advanced the technological level of the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation 20–25 years in advance. And the creation of a copy of the Russian car - the J-11B fighter - was a new qualitative leap for the Chinese aviation industry.
    ___________________

    With rocket engines it will be the same. They will copy and then they will produce it themselves.
    1. gfhjkm
      gfhjkm 18 November 2014 20: 32
      +1
      Organization of production of their engines means for us a drain of technology fool how to give a drink will not go away, and years they will give up contacts and begin to stamp and Su27SK is a good example.
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  9. 3vs
    3vs 18 November 2014 19: 17
    +5
    Like engines, buy!
  10. Timmir
    Timmir 18 November 2014 19: 19
    +3
    You need to keep your eyes open with the Chinese, they bought all the technology from Ukraine and now they are not interested in it, the Americans regret that the production was transferred to China. It’s better to buy from us, but the workforce must be created at home.
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 18 November 2014 19: 31
      +4
      Quote: Timmir
      Americans regret that production was transferred to China

      Not * Raptor * they produce in China. And we are ready to transfer the national intellectual property to production in China, motivating it with profit.
  11. Leksandrych
    Leksandrych 18 November 2014 19: 21
    +1
    No friends, only interest of the state. What is beneficial for Russia (in the long run) is advancing.
  12. cosmos132
    cosmos132 18 November 2014 19: 26
    0
    And then Astapa suffered .....
    “During the visit to China, we and our partners discussed various areas of cooperation
  13. news
    news 18 November 2014 19: 28
    +1
    they will copy. but you need to collaborate wisely
  14. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 18 November 2014 19: 31
    +7
    Strongly against technology transfer in this area. Let them steal, develop themselves, or whatever else. Especially when you consider that now they are talking about a possible transfer of weapons into space.
  15. killganoff
    killganoff 18 November 2014 19: 34
    +4
    Apparently the Chinese have a lack of technology, the engines from Energia are not enough for them, they cannot fully master the technological process, so they are looking for tricks. For your information, after the roof of the MIK (where the assembled Energia-Buran complex was located), three prototypes of the RD-0120 oxygen-hydrogen engine were first written off and then sold to China.
  16. qQQQ
    qQQQ 18 November 2014 19: 37
    +7
    It will not be a mistake, but a crime.
    1. viruvalge412ee
      viruvalge412ee 18 November 2014 21: 12
      +1
      It will be a crime, definitely! In the 90s, our country was almost completely filed both in this and direct way. They simply took and sold, easily like that! Now it’s impossible, the war is real.
  17. Intensive
    Intensive 18 November 2014 19: 37
    +5
    Rђ RІRѕS, FUCK such thoughts are generally asked about the production of engines in China?
  18. Vtel
    Vtel 18 November 2014 19: 39
    0
    Such a nonsense - the sooner we sell the best, what we have, the faster ... what? When we sell everything, with what we will remain. All enti touched esho from the great Soviet people. And according to the prophecies of the Russian Holy Pleasures - China will fight with us and take over all of Siberia. Say oh well, but let’s see!
  19. Wladimir71
    Wladimir71 18 November 2014 19: 40
    +3
    Give your uncle a wife and go to the fuck yourself
  20. lazy
    lazy 18 November 2014 19: 41
    +1
    China is interested in downsizing rocket technology on its territory.
  21. da Vinci
    da Vinci 18 November 2014 19: 43
    +1
    And to master the release of rubles in China? laughing
  22. Vadim12
    Vadim12 18 November 2014 19: 45
    0
    And why are we not interested in launching the production of electronics on our territory?
    1. Wladimir71
      Wladimir71 19 November 2014 06: 50
      0
      In China, the law prohibits the export of raw materials, only finished products, and for the full cycle we need rare earth elements which we do not have. In other matters, like in other countries.
  23. rom8726
    rom8726 18 November 2014 19: 48
    0
    battery motors will now laughing
  24. kukezma
    kukezma 18 November 2014 19: 51
    -3
    Mutual cooperation and respect, we will pave the way to prosperity
  25. Svarog's hammer
    Svarog's hammer 18 November 2014 19: 53
    +1
    You need to be on the alert with these comrades.
  26. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 18 November 2014 19: 55
    0
    clear stump and lick nothing inappropriately
  27. v245721
    v245721 18 November 2014 19: 56
    +2
    In no case should the Chinese give Russian engine technology. And in general, one should keep an eye on these comrades, as well as on Europe and America. They must cooperate, but do not rush into the pool with their heads.
  28. lom
    lom 18 November 2014 20: 00
    +1
    to hell in their nose --- production is only with us by our workers
  29. Sergey47
    Sergey47 18 November 2014 20: 01
    +1
    If there are the best engines of those that they want to produce for themselves, then you can sell, and if not, then by no means.
  30. alone
    alone 18 November 2014 20: 10
    +1
    This is China. To achieve their goals, they will do anything. The only obstacle for them was the engines. Now wait for them to quickly overtake you))))
  31. Prussian
    Prussian 18 November 2014 20: 12
    0
    We are two continental powers, there are no deep contradictions between us, there is mistrust, which should be minimized over time if the valiant Anglo-Saxons do not play their traditional game. Paradoxically, China is on the verge of a demographic crisis, the birth rate is declining, urbanization, the crisis of the traditional worldview and the administrative birth control, led to the emergence of a new generation, as the Chinese say "the generation of little emperors." They do not want to have many children, they want to consume. The last numerous generation reaches its fiftieth birthday, they blinded modern China, they will soon be a burden on working generations and then goodbye to the sky-high growth rates to which everyone is so accustomed.
  32. news
    news 18 November 2014 20: 20
    +1
    Russian President Vladimir Putin said that countries that supported the sanctions against Russia set themselves up and lost markets, a Gazeta.Ru correspondent reports.

    “We, in fact, took advantage of the incorrect behavior of our partners, especially in those countries that have successfully mastered the Russian agricultural products market and, I think, have substituted themselves by introducing certain sanctions against us,” the president said, speaking at the ONF’s Action Forum.

    “This gave us both a moral and, in my opinion, legal right to introduce retaliatory measures precisely in the industry that has demonstrated good growth rates in recent years,” the president added.
  33. news
    news 18 November 2014 20: 22
    +4
    THIS IS THIS LEADERS LEAVING THIS: THANKS EVERYONE THANKS TO EVERY POLICE ASSOCIATION!
    And the stewardess of his board missed forward !!! THE MAN!!!
    1. korjik
      korjik 18 November 2014 21: 00
      +2
      Everything as taught! The last phrase, the last gesture is remembered. Stirlitz!
    2. studentmati
      studentmati 18 November 2014 22: 26
      0
      Quote: news
      MAN!!!


      Undoubtedly!
  34. VadimSt
    VadimSt 18 November 2014 20: 22
    +2
    All issues related to non-fulfillment by China of contracts, and not only with China, their refusal and subsequent copying on the basis of the samples received, should be borne by specific persons - those who prepare, sign, execute and CURIBE these contracts! You need to plant along the chain, starting with the latter, since it is they who build the rollback schemes! And in this chain, everyone at least knows about it.
  35. calocha
    calocha 18 November 2014 20: 25
    +1
    And what do we have?! Let the unemployed multiply? !!! We need to think about our own people first !!!!!! We need to learn from the Chinese to take care of our People! And if we give everyone, right and left, how we will create 25 million . places about which President Vladimir Putin spoke?
  36. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 18 November 2014 20: 25
    0
    Quote: fox21h
    If pen_dos could not copy H33, then these with normal indicators will not be able, at least for now, the main thing is not to give them licensed production, which would not work like 27 drying


    Do they need it? It’s easier to buy than it takes time and effort to copy, produce ... Economics ...
  37. Idel
    Idel 18 November 2014 20: 27
    +1
    Now that the West has turned against us, it is easier for China to negotiate with us. The Russian economy is in a difficult condition due to the fact that the main source of income - natural raw materials, is less in demand due to the global crisis. Industrial production breathes frankly.
    That, the only thing that we need is the production of highly intellectual goods with high added value. Yes, there are still areas of production that are advanced in the world. In this case, these are engines. So, why cut a chicken that lays golden eggs? For what?
    In China, by the way, the decline in production and no miracles are the laws of the economy and they work like clockwork there. That's where they cling to our technologies. China is also hard now, but they are invigorating. Of course, they saved up money, but this phenomenon is temporary.
    At the expense of electronics. We, as always unexpected and sudden). All computers work on a binary system, and our scientists have developed a ternary. Performance is amazing. Our computers can work in ordinary networks, but binary in ternary cannot. The trouble is different. BUREAUCRACY! Slow down the industrial production of this miracle
  38. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 18 November 2014 20: 41
    0
    my opinion is this: on its territory, China produces its own engines and Chinese lanterns.
  39. sv68
    sv68 18 November 2014 20: 41
    +1
    it means that the Chinese from the outskirts pulled out the ideas and technologies that they needed and, in the same scenario, took advantage of the moment, they sanctioned Russia, and now they are trying to pull out our development and technology with all our imaginable and unthinkable methods. not to give and not to allow our ideas and state secrets. up to the ban-tacit-cooperation of some of our bureaus and research institutes with the Chinese. and to officially respond, we will consider your proposals .... for many years and months to ponder and not make any decision- Kitayoz from our engines will be obscured.
  40. Second
    Second 18 November 2014 20: 52
    0
    There is a full-scale drain of Russian military technologies in China. Salvage oligarchic regime still steals and will transfer to Europe. To save. And China at this time is building a modern army on Russian weapons. Chinas openly say they will attack Russia. The oligarchy doesn’t give a damn about it, but what should the Russians do?
    "In China, the pro-government newspaper Wen Wei Po has published an article explaining that the country's economic and political development will lead to the need for war with China's closest neighbors. Russia is also among the potential targets of attack."
    According to reporters, in the next 50 years, China expects 6 victorious wars. The first will be the "war for the unification of the nation" in 2020-25, that is, the war with Taiwan, the conquest of which is given a maximum of 6 months. Then comes the turn of Vietnam, which China will attack in 2028-30 to regain control of the former Chinese islands of Spartley.
    In 2035-40, China will start a war with India to conquer Southern Tibet. In this war, the Chinese are counting on the help of Pakistan, which will simultaneously have to invade South Kashmir.
    In 2040-45, a favorable moment will come for the war with Japan - the Chinese intend to return the originally Chinese islands of Diaoyu-Dao and Ryukyu occupied by Japan. Mongolia will be attacked almost immediately, unless, of course, it agrees to peacefully unite with China.
    And finally, a series of wars will end with a grand conflict with Russia, which is scheduled for 2055-2060. It was then that Russia’s turn came to answer for the fact that at one time it had seized more than 1,6 million square kilometers from the Chinese Empire. The Chinese intend by this time to become a leading world power, the first in the field of all possible types of troops, so they expect to easily overcome their northern neighbor. "
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 19 November 2014 00: 37
      +1
      When you fight, the welfare of the population falls. And to fight for more than a few years will go to the depletion of the country's resources. And 50 years! Well there dreamers are sitting. I think in Beijing they understand this. And blitzkrieg is not about us.
      It looks like column 5 of the PRC, not a pro-government newspaper.
    2. Wladimir71
      Wladimir71 19 November 2014 06: 56
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      There is such a demographic factor, higher intelligence of the nation - stronger reproductive dysfunction.
  41. TECHNOLOGY
    TECHNOLOGY 18 November 2014 21: 52
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    China shows interest in Russian production The time will come and with our help, China will merge us. They are sensible copywriters. They don’t know, they will help us. Then why blame someone? They want our T-50 already! I hope the leadership of the country has the strength not to give them that. Although, Medvedev. China believe-? East is a delicate matter.
  42. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 November 2014 22: 08
    +1
    a donut hole for them, and not "the production of Russian rocket engines on its territory"!
  43. Throw
    Throw 18 November 2014 22: 21
    +3
    ..then, when do our goat officials learn to sell PRODUCTS, not technology !!
    I sold the technology (especially to the Chinese "friends") - I went through the technology. Sabotage. am
  44. Yury rus
    Yury rus 18 November 2014 22: 22
    +1
    Things like the latest technology and complete assembly should remain in Russia, no matter how expensive it is! But the individual parts can be entrusted to China. Friends are friends, but it shouldn't be otherwise.
  45. Amorales
    Amorales 18 November 2014 22: 39
    +2
    I hope I’m smart enough not to give up technology. China is China, and in these yellow faces and smiles I will betray as soon as possible when I become stronger.
  46. Moga
    Moga 18 November 2014 22: 41
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    No matter how it happened with Ukraine, they are interesting as long as there is something to copy.
    I am personally against the production of our engines on their territory. Need engines - make an order. We deliver, launch into space. And to produce from you, well, nah.
  47. Bezarius
    Bezarius 18 November 2014 23: 48
    +1
    Nefig, this is a strategically important production.
  48. Andrey NM
    Andrey NM 19 November 2014 04: 31
    +1
    Lovers of quick money in their pockets are ready to give everything. To develop and build at home - you need to work, and you won't get money quickly. And why should we develop something in Russia, when all the plans are connected with "zabugr". What measures should be taken to stop this? Introduce a ban on the training of officials and family members abroad, prohibit travel not related to the performance of official duties during work and for ten years after being fired "outside"? Maybe then there will be an incentive to develop education and something else here? They will twitch only when touched ...
  49. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 19 November 2014 07: 46
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    Yeah ... create behind the scenes ... there were some created. There are no plants, no specialists, populated by bankers and managers.
  50. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 19 November 2014 09: 08
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    I am afraid that the secrets of materials science are largely common to rocket and aircraft engine manufacturing. Thus, China will receive not only manufacturing technology, say RD-170, but will also understand what are the main troubles in our aircraft engines, which they cannot penetrate.