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Ukraine "successfully" failed at the Chinese air show

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The participation of the Ukrainian Ukroboronprom in the Chinese air show “Airshow China 2014” can be called extremely unsuccessful and even disastrous. His exposition did not enjoy popularity and did not test the influx of visitors, an armaments expert, a blogger writes in LiveJournal. Igor Korotchenko.




Ukrainian representatives simply loafed around the booth, not finding any classes for themselves, or gathered in a circle and discussed the sad ones. news from Square. “But the meeting room (it was also empty) was decorated with a large portrait of President Petro Poroshenko, now successfully serving as the grave-digger of the Ukrainian defense-industrial complex,” the expert notes.

According to him, China has long since sucked everything out of Ukraine, and now as a MTC partner, Beijing is no longer needed. “It is said that Antonov Design Bureau for some miserable couple of millions of dollars helped China to develop a military transport aircraft Y-20, although the real contract price could be about 20-30 million" green. " Is the same история happened to the DKVP (air-cushion landing craft) Zubr: technical documentation and know-how Ukraine sold to the Chinese for mere pennies, ”writes Korotchenko.






Ukraine "successfully" failed at the Chinese air show





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  1. fzr1000
    fzr1000 18 November 2014 16: 47 New
    +31
    Well, rightly so.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 18 November 2014 16: 51 New
      +57
      ...... The frame on the portrait of the "helmsman" of the wrong caller ...... Must be black .... wink wassat
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 18 November 2014 16: 53 New
        +70
        The whole of Ukro-Oboron_Prom is built on the Soviet legacy that they are so painstakingly trample into the mud.
        And they have nothing of their own.
        1. Genur
          Genur 18 November 2014 16: 56 New
          +16
          How is nothing? AND fat? Lost, apparently, or ate along the way ...
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            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 18 November 2014 18: 59 New
              +9
              hi
              It’s a pity, because young at all. He would live and live ...
          3. SHAKESPEARE
            SHAKESPEARE 18 November 2014 17: 32 New
            +9
            Dear, SALO came to Ukraine from Italy.
          4. Denis fj
            Denis fj 18 November 2014 18: 01 New
            +14
            Quote: Genur
            How is nothing? AND fat? Lost, apparently, or ate along the way ...


            They already learned how to make cakes from fat .......... laughing
            1. jjj
              jjj 18 November 2014 18: 16 New
              +9
              What a delicious brisket, however
              1. Ruswolf
                Ruswolf 18 November 2014 18: 59 New
                +6
                Denis fj
                They already learned how to make cakes from fat ..........

                And what kind of cars in return for "Zaporozhets" and the clock does! Download it! good
            2. Spnsr
              Spnsr 18 November 2014 19: 17 New
              +4
              Quote: Denis fj
              Quote: Genur
              How is nothing? AND fat? Lost, apparently, or ate along the way ...


              They already learned how to make cakes from fat .......... laughing

              I wouldn’t refuse such a cake !!! ..... and let someone from strange Ukraine sprinkle on my spit from anger at me ... laughing laughing laughingstill bear here with earflaps and a balalaika, and a couple of bottles. vodka laughing and that’s all, life was not lived in vain laughing
          5. Lukich
            Lukich 18 November 2014 18: 39 New
            +6
            Quote: Genur
            How is nothing? And fat?

            they dropped bacon laughing
          6. patap
            patap 18 November 2014 20: 41 New
            +1
            and lard is not Ukrainian product.
        2. Aibolit64
          Aibolit64 18 November 2014 17: 29 New
          +14
          I dare to disagree with you Natalia. UkrOboronProm makes wonderful (according to their statement) furnaces.
          1. jjj
            jjj 18 November 2014 18: 18 New
            +19
            Advertising slogan for Ukrainian exposition:

            Our air defense is guaranteed to bring down any passenger Boeing
            1. loft79
              loft79 19 November 2014 00: 14 New
              0
              No, they just have some words missing in the slogan.

              We dont care about future
              We dont care about reace
              We care about war in ukraine

              somehow
          2. Dan1103
            Dan1103 18 November 2014 18: 43 New
            +5
            field crematoria or what? belay
        3. oblako
          oblako 18 November 2014 17: 31 New
          +4
          Yes, there are bright heads there, God gives the husks of the "Maidan-European" subside, they will also serve their own people and our peoples. I feel sorry for them, those who are outside of politics, but suffer from it ... Previously, they laughed at ideological workers, dispersed, depoliticized ... from it and kicked it off ... they didn’t read those books from the submission of "partners" ... they sucked like a sponge. .. So, they still haven’t made any conclusions ... The process has begun, but it’s not only everyone who can effectively manage it ... that’s in education, in the media. Even for the sake of politics they will not regret their native defense industry ...
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        5. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 18 November 2014 17: 49 New
          +12
          Quote: Natalia
          And they have nothing of their own.

          You are only partially right. They have a lot of their own, but unfortunately no one will buy it. Well, who needs a robot reconnaissance with a control panel on a cable 5 meters long. Or who is looking for an armored personnel carrier, hung with bed nets or grilles removed from the windows?
          Right-click on the picture and select "Open Image".
          1. boris-1230
            boris-1230 18 November 2014 20: 19 New
            +2
            Cool and horror! But dying is not scary with such protection! Like ostriches - a head in the sand, and does not see what ... deleted by the moderator ... do it! fool
          2. sibiryk
            sibiryk 19 November 2014 13: 22 New
            0
            Lattices, as I understand it, are used to ensure that no one gets insidelaughing wassat
          3. kunstkammer
            kunstkammer 19 November 2014 15: 50 New
            0
            now it’s clear where the armor nets from the beds have gone ...
        6. Themi30
          Themi30 18 November 2014 17: 54 New
          +5
          Take a closer look at the flag on the "Ukrainian" transporter. It’s just a megafail, Svidomo must die from the gap.
        7. mamont5
          mamont5 18 November 2014 18: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Natalia
          The whole of Ukro-Oboron_Prom is built on the Soviet legacy that they are so painstakingly trample into the mud.
          And they have nothing of their own.


          Yes, this is not even the case - his own or borrowed. There would be buyers. But ... after all, everyone understands that order Ukrainian equipment, and they will transfer it to their National Guard, or, in general, the country will not live up to the fulfillment of the contract. So what is the point of fussing if the other options are the sea.
        8. izGOI
          izGOI 18 November 2014 20: 33 New
          0
          And the catapults from the Maidan? Already two options!
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 18 November 2014 16: 57 New
        +9
        Quote: aleks 62
        The frame on the portrait of the "helmsman" of the wrong caller

        Hmm, frame ... Why is the advertisement on the damn mov?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 18 November 2014 17: 38 New
          +8
          And the translation into English finally. In their opinion, dvigles are installed on the MIG-29 from above - how is this to be understood? An additional engine on the back or a concussion from a horse race on the Maidan?
      3. Russophile
        Russophile 18 November 2014 17: 02 New
        +3
        And the UkrOboronProm logo is in the same frame ...
      4. PSih2097
        PSih2097 18 November 2014 18: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: aleks 62
        ...... The frame on the portrait of the "helmsman" of the wrong caller ...... Must be black .... wink wassat

        not, with a ribbon of black color and a paddle for soaking sins ...
      5. Lukich
        Lukich 18 November 2014 18: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: aleks 62
        . The frame on the portrait of the "helmsman" of the wrong caller ...... Must be black ....

        to the next air show promised to correct
        1. wolf7
          wolf7 19 November 2014 18: 53 New
          0
          Will there be Outskirts by then? request
      6. news
        news 18 November 2014 18: 41 New
        +3
        here in the frame of pigs
      7. gav6757
        gav6757 18 November 2014 19: 05 New
        0
        No, the frame is good, just a black ribbon is not enough!
      8. gorge1945
        gorge1945 18 November 2014 19: 08 New
        0
        right, and with a black ribbon on the corner.
      9. Genry
        Genry 18 November 2014 21: 21 New
        +1
        Nothing, soon the portrait will be removed, and Poroshenko himself will be hanged.
      10. Genry
        Genry 18 November 2014 21: 21 New
        +1
        Nothing, soon the portrait will be removed, and Poroshenko himself will be hanged.
        1. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 19 November 2014 13: 27 New
          0
          cons-for repetitions of the post, got the stators.
      11. TECHNOLOGY
        TECHNOLOGY 18 November 2014 22: 07 New
        +2
        ... The frame on the portrait of the "helmsman" of the wrong caller ...... Must be black ... Grayish already. Soon it will turn black.
      12. Petergut
        Petergut 18 November 2014 22: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: aleks 62
        ...... The frame on the portrait of the "helmsman" of the wrong caller ...... Must be black .... wink wassat


        The frame of norms. But the ribbon is not enough.

    2. Drednout
      Drednout 18 November 2014 16: 52 New
      +14
      So here! Such a reliable supplier and partner "disappears." And in addition to the pictures did not bring Nitsche ??? Well, a portrait of a pig could be hung with a price tag.
      1. alexbg2
        alexbg2 18 November 2014 17: 01 New
        +5
        Clearly, failure, their main highlight, the catapult was not presented.
        1. Viktor Kudinov
          Viktor Kudinov 18 November 2014 17: 21 New
          +2
          Unclear: what Poroshenko is also for sale? But how can you sell again what is sold !!!? fool
      2. Iline
        Iline 18 November 2014 18: 03 New
        +4
        UkrSpetsExport, apparently, finally sold out the entire Soviet legacy in the form of weapons and technology.
        UkrOboronProm sucked out all the capabilities of the Soviet models of military equipment, and some of them were finalized to complete absurdity. Noteworthy is a photograph of the proposal to repair aircraft engines for the Su-17, Su-24 and MiG-29 aircraft. Well, you can still hold on to this field, but these planes are aging and are being decommissioned not only in our country. What's next? And then - emptiness.
    3. Penelope
      Penelope 18 November 2014 17: 14 New
      +4
      Who needs the products of a state that has collapsed its defense industry.
      1. gfhjkm
        gfhjkm 18 November 2014 18: 00 New
        +3
        Who needs the products of a state that has collapsed its defense industry.

        I would rephrase who needs defense products, the secrets of which have long been sold to the Chinese. And what do they want to interest? request
    4. Penelope
      Penelope 18 November 2014 17: 15 New
      +1
      Who needs the products of a state that has collapsed its defense industry.
    5. Juborg
      Juborg 18 November 2014 17: 19 New
      +4
      And the airplane was designed and built on our grandmas. Stsuki.
    6. Denis fj
      Denis fj 18 November 2014 18: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: fzr1000
      Well, rightly so.


      And why the hell were you going? Pictures could also be faxed.
    7. nizrum
      nizrum 18 November 2014 18: 28 New
      +3
      But who will contact them now? They refused all their deliveries, overturned all customers ...
    8. news
      news 18 November 2014 18: 52 New
      +3
      portrait of President Petro Poroshenko, now successfully serving as the grave digger of the Ukrainian defense industry
    9. gav6757
      gav6757 18 November 2014 19: 06 New
      0
      Gov nuks, all about shit !!!
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 18 November 2014 20: 25 New
        +2
        Their mentality is such that “I will not bite, I will bite”! good
  2. fedor13
    fedor13 18 November 2014 16: 47 New
    +19
    Good phrase, instructive, "China sucked everything from Ukraine."
    1. 73bor
      73bor 18 November 2014 17: 06 New
      +4
      And it all started with the sale of "Varyag" at the price of scrap metal, as they were cheap and remained!
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 18 November 2014 17: 45 New
      +20
      Sucked)))
      1. D-Master
        D-Master 18 November 2014 18: 57 New
        +1
        Bravo! just wonderful!
      2. boris-1230
        boris-1230 18 November 2014 20: 28 New
        +1
        In Russian, they are called "Dunkin Joy" (or "Dunkin Joy")! Suck and enjoy ... good
  3. kelevra
    kelevra 18 November 2014 16: 48 New
    +6
    They themselves have spoiled everything, now let them think about whom their president works for and who sold the technology to the Chinese for pennies!
  4. shef598
    shef598 18 November 2014 16: 48 New
    +9
    Quote book Klitschko would have quickly sold out)))))))
  5. Raskolnik
    Raskolnik 18 November 2014 16: 48 New
    +13
    and which of the Ukrainian presented in the article?
    The komunyaki made all these oaths
    1. figwam
      figwam 18 November 2014 16: 50 New
      +12
      The komunyaki made all these oaths

      Yes, they can only shoot down passenger planes.
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 18 November 2014 20: 32 New
        0
        No, there is a purely marginal invention, no one in the world thought of releasing “Fat in Chocolate”! good
  6. Giant thought
    Giant thought 18 November 2014 16: 48 New
    +5
    Nothing, they will soon ask: Ukraine is where and who? These are probably the ones who galloped ...
  7. denisey
    denisey 18 November 2014 16: 49 New
    +7
    No shame, no conscience. Our grandfathers and fathers created the power of our homeland, and the Kheyropeyts sold everything and betrayed for 30 pieces of silver.
  8. Finches
    Finches 18 November 2014 16: 49 New
    +9
    It was necessary to fools from the "Femen" on the podium in full combat gear! Success is not success, but it would be a scandal, and hence advertising would be good for Ukraine! laughing
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 18 November 2014 17: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Finches
      It was necessary to fool from the "Femen" on the podium in full combat gear

      That is, in its complete absence?wassat
  9. bronik
    bronik 18 November 2014 16: 51 New
    +9
    Khokhla Chinese cheated? Why is this being done?
  10. mig31
    mig31 18 November 2014 16: 51 New
    +4
    This portrait of a pig, as a requiem for Ukraine ...
  11. tomcat117
    tomcat117 18 November 2014 16: 52 New
    +9
    Ukraine is tired of its stupid routine, it takes up too much space in the life of each of us, it is already starting to stink.
    Failed at the Chinese air show, well, rightly so!
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 18 November 2014 17: 17 New
      +16
      Quote: tomcat117
      Failed at the Chinese air show, well, rightly so!


      Yes, that’s true, but still, somewhere
    2. SSeT
      SSeT 19 November 2014 19: 23 New
      0
      Excellent, by the way, said! "The stupid, stinking routine of Urkaina" - very accurately
  12. Funnels
    Funnels 18 November 2014 16: 53 New
    +9
    I'll go pour "for the rest" of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex.
  13. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 18 November 2014 16: 54 New
    +6
    heh ... I’m not gloating but I think that the states will completely ruin the dill defense complex with dill in their hands ... not because they are afraid of something like “competition” - so that in the future RUSSIA will not get it ..
  14. Mercenary
    Mercenary 18 November 2014 16: 54 New
    +6
    Sad It's a shame for the Slavs. And they themselves were cheated, and they cheated on Russia.
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 18 November 2014 20: 37 New
      0
      It’s like in a joke: an outskirts boasts that he had spoiled in Red Square, but wasn’t caught because he didn’t take off his pants! fool
    2. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 18 November 2014 20: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Mercenary
      Sad It's a shame for the Slavs. And they themselves were cheated, and they cheated on Russia.


      These "Ukrainian brothers" betrayed the Slavs, stole from their brother, revived fascism, and got what they were striving for. Do not worry about them - we will rejoice for the Ukrainians, they are "in the EU ... in the bright future"
  15. klavyr
    klavyr 18 November 2014 16: 54 New
    +3
    will soon slide into the "Stone Age", this will also give acceleration to the crumbling scientific base
  16. Artful73
    Artful73 18 November 2014 16: 54 New
    +6
    Sincerely sorry for the simple hard workers. Hundreds of enterprises are doomed to ruin, millions of people to poverty. Launched a pancake "kids" on the Maidan.
  17. fridge
    fridge 18 November 2014 16: 57 New
    +3
    Not only failed at the exhibition, but failed as a state, partners and normal neighbors, but all for the sake of America and the Nazis. negative
  18. Mikola-78
    Mikola-78 18 November 2014 16: 58 New
    +2
    Why they even went there is not clear.
  19. SPARKS
    SPARKS 18 November 2014 17: 01 New
    +5
    Now they and the Chinese are to blame ...
  20. Andrea
    Andrea 18 November 2014 17: 01 New
    +4
    And who said that it would be easy. It is as if the world is blind and deaf, and does not understand anything at all. Who will deal with a country that itself destroys its future. Ukraine so boasted of its "independence", and lay down under a whole crowd.
  21. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 18 November 2014 17: 10 New
    +5
    Tell us better what happened at the Russian stand. And here we are rejoicing for a neighbor that "the cow is dying," while they themselves are not sucking anything?
  22. BOB044
    BOB044 18 November 2014 17: 11 New
    +3
    It was necessary to bring the girls in embroidered shirts. True in the Middle Kingdom for prostitution and can be shot. hi
  23. DMB3000
    DMB3000 18 November 2014 17: 12 New
    +2
    everyone will get in the end according to his deeds. whoever craps will get a bunch at the end.
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  25. IAlex
    IAlex 18 November 2014 17: 21 New
    +9
    I still can’t understand the domestic oligophrenic who froze the Il-112 and Il-214 projects for the rotten An-7x, in which the Russian Federation invested nearly $ 900 million, and the Khokhlostan not only threw money at the headstock, but and sold everything that was to the Chinese, both the Xian Y-20 and the euro fags in the form of an Airbus A400M. And the saddest thing is that the bureaucratic bastard who made the decision will not be punished, especially since everyone knew that it would be so and we will stay naked ......
    1. 406ppm2gv
      406ppm2gv 18 November 2014 18: 58 New
      +3
      add another TU-330 here
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 18 November 2014 19: 34 New
        +1
        Yes, there the list goes on, such as IL-114 and Tu-334, and on many other issues ...
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  26. GRF
    GRF 18 November 2014 17: 23 New
    +2
    It’s sad to hear that about China ...
    The vulture in the article shows ...
  27. Olga Sinigrosova
    Olga Sinigrosova 18 November 2014 17: 29 New
    +1
    chuckle "So you have to" does not work. I understand that now all the mutants are there - kangaroo camels, not friends and brothers, but it doesn’t work out. After all, they were with us for a long time Suddenly, their dishonesty and theft and cast a shadow on us? I am ashamed of them and sorry.
  28. Bugor
    Bugor 18 November 2014 17: 32 New
    +3
    A couple of little yellow color at the exhibition. Blue is, pah, that is, black, but yellow - dumb? Hail! Putin is to blame! He beat off all customers from ukroboronets.
    Chumak should have been asked to charge the Powder portrait. And then everything would be fine.
  29. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 18 November 2014 17: 35 New
    +21
    Well, all that’s left is to "train" Thailand with the "Oplot" - and that’s all, one can say a comprehensive export ... Well, then everyone, to the best of his ability, characterizes ... Congolese were sent with supplies of tanks, and before that there was Iraq with Thailand, blacks from South Africa they didn’t pay for coal, the Brazilians with a rocket seemed to be tricked, the engine after the alteration was blown up by the United States. As I take a look, all export operations can be minimized and completely switched to the two most basic export Ukrainian articles - rape and representatives of the most ancient profession.

    the process of signing Ukrainian arms contracts
    Ukraine great crap Russia simply prohibitive dumping, especially in the sector of "regular customers" of Soviet weapons - selling the stocks of equipment inherited from the USSR at bargain prices. Plus, a lot of Soviet interesting developments of now Russian design bureaus went through Ukraine (serial plants) to all kinds of “joint” projects, naturally without the participation of our design bureaus. Most likely the most illustrative is the sale to China of the Zubr hovercraft (developed by Almaz Central Design Bureau) under the guise of allegedly "its own development" "Bison", along with technical documentation. Examples can still be dug. But now it seems this end has come to this lafa - everyone has already begun to spit at the mention of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and refuse to cooperate.
    As they say - "Feel the difference!" :)


    Ukrainians great pressed in the "secondary" arms market. Historically, a huge amount of weapons was stockpiled on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR. This is the reserve of the first wave for the Western Group of Forces, this is the Kiev Military District, this is also the warehouse of the reserve, where everything removed from service, but not sent for re-melting, was sent. Well, of course, warehouses for humanitarian aid to nude-cannibals fighting capitalism. At the time of the collapse of the Empire, in these warehouses in total there were almost half of all aviation, tank troops and artillery of the Union. Something was saved and taken out (part of the "new" property being withdrawn a little earlier than the Western World War I). Something was quickly transferred to the Russian bases in the Crimea. But the bulk remained on the looting of the ragul. And this mass pressed on the "secondary market" of weapons - both in the form of finished products, and in the form of components. I’ll reveal a terrible military secret - the mass of Russian defense industry enterprises have bent or shrunk to a half-corpse due to the lack of orders, for example, for aircraft AEREO or tank transmission elements and electrics. With a gigantic market for these products, there were no real orders for a new one at all - the entire market was littered with donor organs from ruins. Guess why only 200 flies on the ruin of 76 IL-78 / IL-5? Why from 3000 (approximately) T-72 about a hundred remained on the move (of which half are already in New Russia)? But for now, I’ll give a hint - you can remove avionics from IL-76 by about 20 million dollars (at market prices), and from T-72 you can remove starter, generator, fuel pumps and other running nishtyaki by about 80 thousand bucks. Also massively drove counterfeit komplektuha all kinds of repair plants.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 18 November 2014 18: 00 New
      0
      "Little cowboys" and then what? recourse
    2. Zomanus
      Zomanus 19 November 2014 03: 55 New
      0
      Great deal, go on. A better separate article, for a deeper understanding, so to speak.
  30. goga 35
    goga 35 18 November 2014 17: 40 New
    +1
    There is not enough black ribbon in the corner of the portrait.
  31. Alexandrovich
    Alexandrovich 18 November 2014 17: 41 New
    0
    And they thought cheaper and sold all the friends and allies, but it was not there! To think narrowly this is their Nazi vocation !!!
  32. Dreamscripter
    Dreamscripter 18 November 2014 17: 41 New
    +5
    I feel sorry for Ukraine after all. There was good land - turned it into hell knows what. No, we still need to return them to Russia in full force (give the maximum of Lviv to the Poles) - they would work for us, and they would invent new things in the military-industrial complex. They have good specialists and scientists indeed.
    1. Underwood
      Underwood 18 November 2014 17: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Dreamscripter
      I feel sorry for Ukraine after all. There was good land - turned it into hell knows what.

      i'm the cautious xoxl-cooks-clan. On the ... deleted by the moderator ... it’s too early to cross. They must pass maydanofreniya. I hope so.
    2. boris-1230
      boris-1230 18 November 2014 20: 47 New
      0
      First, you just have to let everyone through the filtration camps so that this infection does not penetrate us! stop
  33. ik0
    ik0 18 November 2014 17: 42 New
    0
    Do they have the official language of Russian?
    the oath ... whether! am
  34. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 18 November 2014 17: 48 New
    +3
    Dear forum users, this is not a failure. They are still being let in. Soon, looking in the direction of being unaltered will simply not be decent.
    1. Themi30
      Themi30 18 November 2014 17: 56 New
      +3
      No, ukro-transport plane on ukrostend with the Russian flag, this is a complete failure.
      1. 311ove
        311ove 18 November 2014 19: 50 New
        +3
        Do not carp, here there is nothing to paint bridges .... wassat
  35. Underwood
    Underwood 18 November 2014 17: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: ODERVIT
    Soon, looking in the direction of being unaltered will simply not be decent.

    Peripheral vision. They are looking at us. Let's match ...
  36. demandy1
    demandy1 18 November 2014 17: 55 New
    +1
    It’s a sin to say this, but it seems to me that the black stripes in the portrait are very lacking
  37. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 18 November 2014 18: 03 New
    +1
    All the devastations, first of all, hit the defense industry. But what factories were there !!! Americans know what to do, absolutely.
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 18 November 2014 20: 53 New
      0
      Yusovtsy act according to Nietzsche’s precepts: "push the falling one!" negative
  38. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 18 November 2014 18: 05 New
    0
    a logical continuation of the policy of squandering former Soviet property without new developments, plus a dubious reputation, that's the result.
  39. SEK
    SEK 18 November 2014 18: 18 New
    +3
    This was their last "exit to the people." All industrial and scientific potential will go to New Russia. And Galicia will trade beets and bacon in the bazaar.
  40. lukke
    lukke 18 November 2014 18: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: Natalia
    The whole of Ukro-Oboron_Prom is built on the Soviet legacy that they are so painstakingly trample into the mud.
    And they have nothing of their own.

    therefore, it’s doubly disappointing that all our jointly-developed (USSR-vskie) unique things, some slightly modernized, went penniless. We had something similar when we sold the fleet to China at the price of scrap, and as it now pops up - with all the technical documentation and weapons (((
  41. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 18 November 2014 18: 34 New
    +2
    Like in that proverb "I played the game x..n on the violin". But joy is still not felt, such a country is delayed ...!
  42. wow
    wow 18 November 2014 18: 47 New
    +1
    Turn off the light, panov. The train left, but you stayed!
  43. Dan1103
    Dan1103 18 November 2014 18: 53 New
    +5
    wassat something like that
  44. news
    news 18 November 2014 18: 53 New
    +1
    portrait of President Petro Poroshenko, now successfully serving as the grave digger of the Ukrainian defense industry
  45. Valkh
    Valkh 18 November 2014 18: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: aleks 62
    ...... The frame on the portrait of the "helmsman" of the wrong caller ...... Must be black .... wink wassat

    Faded !!!! Paint Mr.- !!!! laughing
  46. Underwood
    Underwood 18 November 2014 18: 58 New
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    No, no, early UAshny military-industrial complex bury. Saying plus grabs is, of course, the national-network trend now, but I would not dance on this topic. At the patient’s bed, you need to make an appropriate mug. Nothing is clear yet. Can survive. In spite of....
    1. Dan1103
      Dan1103 18 November 2014 19: 04 New
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      well no. not early. laughing right on time
    2. boris-1230
      boris-1230 18 November 2014 21: 01 New
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      Oh yeah! The old woman did not suffer for a long time in killers of experienced hands ... fool
  47. Target
    Target 18 November 2014 19: 28 New
    +1
    By the way, after the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine had one of the best armies in the world. However, mediocre pro-American rulers came to power (Yushchenko for example), put “their” thieving people in important posts, and destroyed the army (though not only the army).

    PS Nobody takes orders from Ukraine, because Independent has a terrible reputation. On time, orders are not fulfilled, and those parties that are sent to the customer are of poor quality.

    PSS machines themselves are not very bad. BM "Oplot" for example. Or T-84 "Hold".
  48. Victor-M
    Victor-M 18 November 2014 19: 28 New
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    The commander in chief is ukrvaflen. laughing
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 18 November 2014 20: 46 New
      0
      Brute force! This is superfluous and inadequate, the frame of the photo lacks one thing - the mourning ribbon!
  49. mgfly
    mgfly 18 November 2014 20: 45 New
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    they leaked the bison technicals to the Chinese !? belay here! (this blinked out a flash ...)
    and about the empty stand - so on Donbas right now, they’re pretending that they’re screaming for guard))) they’re always sold out with such advertising)
  50. den3080
    den3080 18 November 2014 20: 47 New
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    Who will look for an armored personnel carrier, hung with bed nets or grilles removed from the windows?

    There is a rational proposal - to hang around with grave fencing immediately, shtob not to fool then.

    sincerely sorry for the simple hard workers. Hundreds of enterprises are doomed to ruin, millions of people to poverty.

    But I'm not sorry, they achieved what they wanted. And Ukrainian women do not mind killing other Ukrainians in the Southeast. After all, they (women) are protesting because little money is given to their punitive peasants because of money, weapons, bronics and grub.

    My friends have (already had) a friendly family in Ukraine, a peasant received a summons from the military enlistment office, so they did not protest, but ran around the storehouses and equipped the peasant for war - they bought, for their money, bronik, helmet, berets. I don’t know what is going on next, but my jaw dropped slightly.

    There is no one to spare there.

    And how the Tu-160 was cut in Ukraine, which they had left, in the early 90's.
    Russia asked to give, then offered to buy.
    No! Significantly cut, having received some pennies for this work from the Americans. And even these pennies were plundered right away, I’m more than sure.