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After mass protests of metropolitan physicians, city and federal authorities for the first time in many years were forced to start at least a semblance of dialogue with the professional community. Doctors are trying to explain that the situation is not as bad as they think.
Doctors are absolutely not satisfied with the answers, a new rally is scheduled for November 22, which may outweigh previous performances.

However, health officials are at least trying to talk to the doctors. And the federal ministry stresses that it is not at all in agreement with the measures taken on the ground. These differences have already helped to prevent the closure of hospitals several times and led to compromises during the conflicts in Izhevsk, Ufa, and Rzhev. So metropolitan medicine still has a chance.

Meanwhile, the same processes are unfolding in the field of education as in health care.

Across the country, there is a reduction in the number of teachers, schools are being closed, curricula are being redrawn, and rules for teachers and students are constantly changing.
At the same time, when the metropolitan health department tries to explain to the public exactly how the mass closure of hospitals, the dismissal of doctors and the reduction of medical staff will help increase the chances of citizens to receive medical care, the leaders of the Moscow education set about destroying special schools.

The famous school "Intellectual", intended for the education of especially gifted children, is merged with the district school - in fact against the will of the teachers and parents of both institutions. At the same time, the liquidation of correctional schools for children with disabilities began in Moscow. The directors of these schools protest, argue with officials from the education department of the government of the capital, but they cannot achieve anything. In protest against the policy being pursued, the directors refused to meet with the head of the department, Isaac Kalina ...

Problems in education and health are remarkably similar. In both cases, market reforms led to a rapid disorganization of the entire system, which was built on completely different principles. The idea of ​​“per capita funding”, promoted by officials in both cases, suggests that the more patients are filled into the ward or students in the class, the better.

Wins the one who neglects the individual characteristics of the student or patient, reduces the quality of their work, replacing the care of a particular person with a formal "conveyor". The fact that due to the reduction in the number of schools, hospitals, clinics and kindergartens, people just have to spend more time on the road, no one thinks at all. About the fact that in the case of emergency medical care, the loss of time may result in the death of the patient, you can not say.

Officials from education and health, of course, far from being idiots. And all the problems that arise are well known to doctors and teachers.
And if they didn’t know, they would have had the opportunity to deal with all this long ago, the benefit of publications and public speeches of outraged professionals was more than enough. But the fact of the matter is that the problems and hardships of some turn into benefits and advantages for others. The worse things are with state medicine and public education, the less budget places for students open in higher education institutions, the more difficult it is for citizens to enjoy their rights guaranteed by the constitution, the more chances they will turn to the private sector and simply buy the “necessary services”. Of course, far from everyone is willing and able to pay, but our reformers do not consider people who do not have free cash to pay.

The fundamental difference between the situation in medicine and education, however, is that if at the federal level, health care managers still show some restraint and try to avoid extremes, the Ministry of Education and Science, headed by Dmitry Livanov, has long acquired the reputation of the “ministry of ignorance ". Even quite moderate and cautious in the estimates of the deputies from the "United Russia" at a meeting of the State Duma 12 November, after hearing the report of the Minister of Education, attacked him with criticism. Representatives of Fair Russia demanded the resignation of D. Livanov at all. The first deputy chairman of the education committee, Vladimir Burmatov, speaking on behalf of United Russia, complained that this was, at best, an “accountant’s report”. The minister talked about where and how much the budget billions were spent, but he categorically avoided talking about the development strategy of the industry and the principles of the reforms.

Alas, if Minister D. Livanov had no strategy, this would not be the worst.

There is a strategy. It is just that it is so inhuman, so clearly directed against the interests of Russia's development and so consistently focused on the destruction of national education traditions that it is simply impossible to publicly voice it from the rostrum of parliament.
If the minister openly declared the goals and objectives of his policy, he would have to not only be driven from the rostrum and removed from office ...

However, despite the constant omissions, silence and propaganda by the ministry, citizens are already well versed in the content of its activities. It is no coincidence that according to public opinion polls D. Livanov regularly turns out to be the most unpopular of all the ministers of the Russian government. Even devoid of any content "accounting" report does not hide the real picture of affairs in his department. They see everything perfectly: the huge funds spent by the ministry are not only spent inefficiently, but also simply go to finance various projects that disorganize and destroy the educational system. Starting from the introduction and continuous reformatting of the Unified State Exam and ending with the introduction of more and more new forms of bureaucratic reporting and conducting a rating of “university efficiency”. Its result was the general confidence in the inefficiency of the ministry itself and the illiteracy of its experts: it is enough to recall that one of the criteria for "effectiveness" in this rating was the number of square meters that a particular university had.

Last year's war of D. Livanov against the Russian Academy of Sciences also did not add popularity to the minister.

However, due to public protests and the scientists themselves, the initial plan for the liquidation of the academy had to be postponed. And the whole история ended with a compromise, which at least delayed for several years the final destruction of national science.
But it is easy to guess that the head of the ministry, being a persistent and not sentimental man, did not leave his plans and was only waiting for an occasion to resume the offensive.

So far, the “accountants” from the ministry come up with new, sophisticated financing schemes that block practical work on the ground, and the “ideologues” remain idle. Year after year, with a direct filing of officials, a campaign is unfolding, aimed at making all teachers, university professors and doctors corrupt, illiterate, incompetent. We are told that it is teachers and doctors who are the two most corrupt groups in our society. What a service to them bureaucracy of all levels!

At one time, it was the creation of a large-scale nationwide system of health, education and science that helped turn our country into a leading world power no less than the creation of a modern industry and a powerful, well-armed army. We can recall the famous phrase of the professor of geography from Leipzig Oscar Peschel, who in July 1866, after the victory over Sade, won by the Prussian army during the Austro-Prussian war, summed up: “Public education plays a crucial role in the war when the Prussians beat the Austrians, was the victory of the Prussian teacher over the Austrian school teacher. "

It is the system of education and training - including, by the way, vocational education in our pen - provides the country with a chance to occupy a worthy place in the world, creates development potential and gives citizens a sense of confidence, self-esteem, civic dignity, and a reasonable pride in their country. During the years that have passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union, we have lost a significant part of the industry, but as long as there are educated people in Russia, we can recover a great deal, and even more - create it anew.

A blow to domestic education is a blow to the very heart of the country, an attempt on its future. Especially when the blow falls simultaneously on medicine. Therefore, the struggle now unfolding does not boil down to the question of the future of individual schools, universities, or hospitals.

The question is about the future of the country. And about freeing the most important sectors that provide strategic prospects for the country's development from the dictates of liberal reformers, who see them as just an additional segment of the “services sector”.
The defeat of health, education and science should be stopped, and its organizers punished. The question is who will do it, how and when.
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  1. provincial
    provincial 18 November 2014 14: 28
    -50
    What a nonsense from the fifth column.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 18 November 2014 14: 31
      +18
      People like you are the 5th column.
      1. provincial
        provincial 18 November 2014 14: 35
        -19
        I recognize Lebirast, it’s time for a swamp. Only they have an opinion and are always right. And the article urges us to take up the cobblestones again.
        1. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic 18 November 2014 14: 49
          +9
          I recognize a provincial! In the word "liberast" he makes two spelling mistakes, BUT WHAT !!! He raised Pipirka, not understanding who and for what, without agreeing with Ozhegov his illiteracy ...

          Provincial, provincial ...
          And the escalator runs, and the escalator carries.
          Go bolder, provincial:
          Scary at first, prt - TURNS!

          Both of my minuses are for provincial illiteracy!
          1. provincial
            provincial 18 November 2014 14: 56
            -4
            Thank you friend. Errors are right for me and the provincial.
            1. Old Cynic
              Old Cynic 18 November 2014 15: 20
              +7
              Yes to health !!!
              Please do not be offended! It just jars me when people write with mistakes ... From this Dmitry Medvedev is born - the quintessence of illiteracy, importance and futility ...
              1. FACKtoREAL
                FACKtoREAL 18 November 2014 16: 26
                +4
                . From this Dmitry Medvedevs are born - the quintessence of illiteracy, importance and futility ...

                WHAT TO EXPECT FROM people(at the helm of the state !!!), which, at the request of his teacher, write some mathematical formula ....
                CONCLUSION: E = MC2
                And as you know ....
                "Mathematics must then be loved so that it puts the mind in order!"
                M.V. Lomonosov
                hi
                1. Old Cynic
                  Old Cynic 18 November 2014 16: 38
                  +2
                  Dear, you turned a little in the wrong direction ...
                  Teacher WHAT requested? A mathematical formula, but what did IT provide? PHYSICAL ...

                  And after that IT is also the prime minister ... Poor Russia ...
                  We will never rise while at the helm there will be people like this nano-iPhone-police-lamp mistake of nature.
                  1. Lelek
                    Lelek 18 November 2014 17: 35
                    -5
                    Quote: Old Cynic
                    And after that IT is also the prime minister ... Poor Russia ...
                    We will never rise while at the helm there will be people like this nano-iPhone-police-lamp mistake of nature.


                    Dear, are you so "suffered" from toothache, or has the hemorrhoids worsened? bully
                    1. Old Cynic
                      Old Cynic 19 November 2014 14: 38
                      -1
                      Let you, ChMO marsh, also get nasty: "Are you like that from birth, or did your mother drop it on purpose"?
                2. Old Cynic
                  Old Cynic 18 November 2014 16: 39
                  0
                  Dear, you turned a little in the wrong direction ...
                  Teacher WHAT requested? A mathematical formula, but what did IT provide? PHYSICAL ...

                  And after that IT is also the prime minister ... Poor Russia ...
                  We will never rise while at the helm there will be people like this nano-iPhone-police-lamp mistake of nature.
              2. UralMan
                UralMan 18 November 2014 17: 36
                0
                about smart clown

                There lived an intelligent clown in the arena
                As if drawn by happiness!
                Smile, paints clothes
                He gave a rainbow of hope:
                Both children and adults.
                With him it was fabulous and simple.
                You +

                Sparkles shone - freckles
                On the cheeks ... Cap on the crown
                With a pink terry pompon,
                Polka dot vest, green bow,
                Burgundy pants on a strap ...
                The portrait is ready, at least frame it!


                Merry, lighting the hall,
                Our clown painted the sky ...
                Crayons in blue, yellow, white
                Depicted, jokingly, skillfully
                And mushroom rain, and clouds,
                What became clouds, slightly,
                And - the sun - a hot yellow ball -
                He gave everything from the heart - for free ...
              3. WInovikov
                WInovikov 18 November 2014 22: 45
                +3
                You are absolutely right. You know, I have a 7th grade education + medical school. But in my 70s, reading the comments of much younger people, I get sore from the "pearls" of some bloggers who, as they hear - and write. But, obviously, this "education" suits our government. The collapse of medicine and education is under the wing of our popularly elected. Uh-huh, the master will come and figure it out. And the master is horseradish - he has no time - he is preparing for the World Cup in football. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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        2. dmb
          dmb 18 November 2014 15: 12
          +3
          And do not tell me, funny you are ours, on what your statement about "nonsense" is based. Well, why you personally do not like the article, I generally understand. Judging by the "lebirast" Minister Livanov suits you personally. I admit that your papa beat you for grades in your native language, which also negatively affected your attitude to the previous education system. Seeing from the last sentence a certain inclination to sarcasm, I would like to ask about your opinion, if of course you have it, and what is it and what is it based on. Please accept my sincere assurances of my goodwill towards you.
          1. Old Cynic
            Old Cynic 18 November 2014 15: 21
            0
            Did you address this to whom?
            1. dmb
              dmb 18 November 2014 15: 36
              +1
              Cynic, of course not for you, but for your opponent.
        3. sv68
          sv68 18 November 2014 16: 14
          +5
          provincial, open your eyes and look around you, everything is fine and the economy is growing by leaps and bounds and unemployment actually eliminated? You ask the children what and how they teach, you will be scared.
        4. siberalt
          siberalt 18 November 2014 16: 32
          +5

          The fact that the government is merging science, education and medicine has not been a secret for a long time. And none of the reformers will explain, and what will be of real benefit to a particular person and state. In the same way, our economy was ruined. Some ten years later, and our youth will begin to ride on the Maidan.
          1. WInovikov
            WInovikov 18 November 2014 22: 46
            0
            Are you sure in 10?
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 18 November 2014 14: 35
      +16
      The Liberasts are not turning off the planned path of extermination of the Russian people, they will wait for calls to come soon instead of sending them to Kolyma to land them on stake.
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    4. GRAY
      GRAY 18 November 2014 14: 58
      +2
      Quote: provincial
      What a nonsense from the fifth column.

      And there is.
      Boris Kagarlitsky.
      Occupation:
      Director of the Institute of Globalization and Social Movements
      Place of work:
      Institute of Globalization and Social Movements (IGSO)
      city:
      Russia, Moscow

      Frequent guest of the "echo of Moscow".
      http://www.echo.msk.ru/guests/9846/

      When I hear the word "sociologist" I feel nauseous.
      1. shtanko.49
        shtanko.49 18 November 2014 15: 39
        +14
        In the area, Voronezh region. there were 4 hospitals, in addition to the city, there was only one central district hospital, people travel 30-40 km, the queues are terrible, the equipment is old, there are almost no doctors, they are persuading retired doctors to work, a complete collapse of medicine in rural areas. Instead of hospitals, FAPs were opened, where paramedics are accepted instead of doctors and all this is called "optimization", they only save money but have forgotten about people. How do people react to such a misfortune, sit and be silent in a rag?
        1. Vadim2013
          Vadim2013 18 November 2014 17: 36
          +4
          At the 54 polyclinic in Moscow, not a single cardiologist now works. Make an ECG a problem, not to mention echo cardiography and other studies. Doctors treat patients formally. On the periphery of Russia, the situation is clearly even worse.
          1. Penelope
            Penelope 18 November 2014 19: 26
            +4
            And in our clinic there are also not enough doctors, and for specialized specialists there’s a turn for a month and a half ahead, which is even worse.
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        2. WInovikov
          WInovikov 18 November 2014 22: 50
          0
          In Buturlinovsky district of Voronezh region there were 5 district hospitals and 42 feldsher and feldsher-obstetric centers. Now there are 2 local hospitals and 28 FAPs. 12 settlements were left without medical care within walking distance.
      2. nablydatel
        nablydatel 18 November 2014 16: 52
        +1
        correctly did the troubles of Ukraine as the Russians turned everything upside down. read-- this is done in Ukraine.
        1. Tyumen
          Tyumen 18 November 2014 19: 04
          +2
          Quote: nablydatel
          read-- this is done in Ukraine.

          And we don’t do that? Through one we criticize ukrov for the desire to receive money without straining, but few people want to WORK with us. In the office pants sit out is please. Motivating a favorite argument of.plankton- * Who studied what ... *
      3. andrejwz
        andrejwz 18 November 2014 18: 50
        +3
        Quote: GRAY
        Boris Kagarlitskiy Occupation: Director of the Institute of Globalization and Social Movements Place of work: Institute of Globalization and Social Movements (IGSO) city: Russia, Moscow A frequent guest of the "echo of Moscow". Http://www.echo.msk.ru/guests/9846/When I hear the word "sociologist" start to nauseate me.

        And you determine the correctness of the arguments and the reliability of the facts by social status (origin). And is he obviously wrong for you?
        It is wrong that a teacher, having received a higher category, suddenly discovers that as a result of "optimization" by means of "incentives", his salary has not increased, but decreased. After that, all that remains is to "burn out at work" both literally and figuratively.
        It is not right that in the province that you have the honor (or the audacity) to represent, many especially men) are healthy only because they have no money to hurt and it is embarrassing to take them away from their families without the possibility, as the president of us, of decent earnings .
        And at the expense of the author. One wise hero of Ouspensky said: "If you croak all the time, someday you will guess."
    5. Denis fj
      Denis fj 18 November 2014 16: 02
      +3
      Against these "practologists" officials, who are accustomed to doing everything through one place, it is necessary to initiate criminal cases and determine the serving of the sentence in the tmu-cockroach, where there will be no population besides them - let them practice and collect babos from each other for "test" training and treatment. Legislatively, it was announced to transfer to a paid basis only 10-20% of the percentage of health care and education self-sufficiency, and these creatures purposefully began to 100% destroy education, health care (its accessibility for the poor and socially unprotected segments of the population.
      "The defeat of health care, education and science must be stopped, and its organizers punished."
      One gets the impression that Mr. Livanov fell on our heads from the moon, but this is not so. Someone put him in this post, like Fursenko at one time, and this "someone" has a name, surname and patronymic.
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 18 November 2014 17: 24
        +3
        Quote: denis fj
        One gets the impression that Mr. Livanov fell on our heads from the moon, but this is not so. Someone put him in this post, like Fursenko at one time, and this "someone" has a name, surname and patronymic.

        Yes ETOGES OPG "Lake".
      2. WInovikov
        WInovikov 18 November 2014 22: 54
        0
        The chiefs were punished for failures of subordinates in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And when will this system be introduced in the government?
        1. Alf
          Alf 18 November 2014 23: 12
          0
          Quote: WINovikov
          The chiefs were punished for failures of subordinates in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And when will this system be introduced in the government?

          Then the whole government will have to be flipped.
    6. nablydatel
      nablydatel 18 November 2014 17: 02
      +4
      Beat the Yids save Russia
    7. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 18 November 2014 17: 08
      +3
      It is sad to see what has become of the best education in the world.
  2. kimyth1
    kimyth1 18 November 2014 14: 36
    +10
    Damn would tear the farts to these reformers! I won’t tell you for education, but medicine is definitely fun !!! Especially in small towns like mine!
  3. comm
    comm 18 November 2014 14: 38
    +8
    I don’t understand what. Why can’t you remove the assholes from the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Health, but leave normal thinking people there? Have we forgotten how to choose the right frames? Or, perhaps, they should be removed from the State Duma in order not to cut spending on health and education?
    1. sv68
      sv68 18 November 2014 16: 21
      +2
      comm-alas, the reality is that in honor of mediocrity, grabbers, parasites and thieves with hanyags, and honest people, they are panicky afraid of power, and then the honest people suddenly throw all this rabble in the trash and begin to restore order in the country.
    2. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 18 November 2014 16: 42
      +2
      And how to get a rollback from honest ones, huh?

      That's the whole answer to your question.
    3. nablydatel
      nablydatel 18 November 2014 16: 55
      0
      To appoint Mikhail Zadorny to the Ministry of Education. if anyone listens to him he will understand. everything will put in place.
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 18 November 2014 17: 25
        0
        Quote: nablydatel
        To appoint Mikhail Zadorny to the Ministry of Education

        Better Valuev.
    4. saag
      saag 18 November 2014 17: 52
      +2
      Quote: comm
      I don’t understand what. Why it is impossible to remove assholes from the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Education

      And who claimed them there?
    5. WInovikov
      WInovikov 18 November 2014 22: 57
      0
      But normal and thinking people are not needed there. Suddenly they think up something necessary.
  4. Artful73
    Artful73 18 November 2014 14: 38
    +14
    War has been declared to us, they are advancing on all fronts. The State Department is confident that having rocked the situation in our healthcare, it will be possible to rock the situation in the country. Following the doctors, their patients will inevitably go outside (who will remain alive). I regard what is happening as wrecking by specific officials at the very top.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 18 November 2014 14: 47
      +5
      Quote: Artful73
      I regard what is happening as wrecking by specific officials at the very top.


      Not one, you think so.
      1. nils
        nils 18 November 2014 17: 10
        +2
        ".... They are trying to explain to the doctors that the situation is not as bad as they think."

        Since 1991, they have been trying to explain to all of us that the situation is not as bad as it seems to us, but especially recently, and that the most interesting sometimes happens.
      2. WInovikov
        WInovikov 18 November 2014 22: 59
        +1
        But there is no article in the Criminal Code about wrecking and will not.
    2. UralMan
      UralMan 18 November 2014 14: 52
      -5
      Here they are the king’s slabdogs leading into the abyss ...

      Donetsk and Lugansk - this is where the "abscess" failure ..(it’s not in Ukraine!).And WHERE STILL ALREADY and what are KINGS so afraid of?

      The King is dead, long live the King!
      The King is dead. Long Live the King!

      Remember the quote- WHERE IS IT?
      AND ASK THE QUESTION- who is THESE KINGS?

      And so to think, no comment ...

      a complex of personal rights, the legal status of subjects in property relations, the ability of subjects to make property transactions ...
      1. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 18 November 2014 15: 26
        +5
        Ural people, dear!
        Do not stupidly translate the French dictum into English ...
        I may disappoint you, but the British NEVER were the authors of this saying.
        Not strong in French, but in transcription you will get: "Le Roy e mor, viv le Roy" !!!

        Maurice Druon, at least read it!

        My minus is for trying to seem more competent than it really is!
        1. UralMan
          UralMan 18 November 2014 15: 40
          0
          Who did YOU SIR say what the English said

          “The king is dead. Long live the king! ”, September 1, 1715. On the day of the death of King Louis XIV, the regent the Duke of Orleans announced the new king of the five-year-old Louis XV. Cardinal de Noail takes an oath of allegiance to the new monarch.

          Maybe sir, you mean it
          (Le Roi est mort, vive le Roi!) - traditional French phrase
          You have the same minus - and this is for a wise guy
          1. Old Cynic
            Old Cynic 18 November 2014 16: 34
            -2
            Well done! Wikipedia looked Bravo! You can now fully answer.

            Who brought a proverb in English? Which in the world no one pronounced? Aren't you? Burst, so at least do not shine. Have the courage to remain silent by allowing a puncture.

            PS And learn to write in Russian ... This is so, in passing ... Between the case.
            1. UralMan
              UralMan 18 November 2014 16: 48
              0
              You can now fully answer.

              We can’t ... A MAGOM!
              Russian V our CINIC ...

              The behavior, perceived by others as cynical, causes condemnation of society and is a factor provoking conflict

              Here is YOUR SIR ESSENCE - literate
              so where is vi sir? Unlike you, I do not hide
              Come from Zapodrishinsk probably laughing hi
              1. Old Cynic
                Old Cynic 19 November 2014 14: 06
                -1
                Ural, are you a stupid person? Or ?
                You can not adequately answer - went to "srach", right?
                There's nothing to cover, Rurikovich, at least admit to yourself! Left to troll, huh? You are not a member of the Young Guard, by any chance? For intellect are similar!

                And nothing was answered about your rat minus ... So do you agree, a shattering troll?

                And now not for moderation: Not respected, if you de ..., excuse me, have an incomplete primary education - you should not play correspondence with me, I will show you your true place. Hard.
            2. Old Cynic
              Old Cynic 18 November 2014 16: 49
              0
              Aw, well done!
              There is nothing to cover, so at least they put it in secret! Bravo!
              1. UralMan
                UralMan 18 November 2014 17: 16
                +1
                Yeah so TAPPY laughing

                Shas +
              2. UralMan
                UralMan 18 November 2014 17: 19
                0
                Cover the roof
                covered with a mat
                And I'm a good grandfather ... I don’t offend little ones hi
                1. WInovikov
                  WInovikov 18 November 2014 23: 02
                  0
                  Yeah, they also cover the light bulbs with mat.
    3. kimyth1
      kimyth1 18 November 2014 15: 55
      0
      But why doesn’t I see this GDP? Or once such garbage is engaged as the health of the people, so in the 90s they killed the people like in war !!!
  5. Vasily V
    Vasily V 18 November 2014 14: 44
    +8
    I ran through the sites on which "medical problems" are highlighted especially sharply and there is some strange pattern - there are no our sites, everything is a hedgehog, they really worry about our health:
    Russian Medical Server http://www.rusmedserv.com/ Locate: SITE - rusmedserv.com IP - 67.225.197.158 Country United States
    Russian Medical Server http://rusmedserver.com/ Locate: SITE - rusmedserver.com IP - 193.106.248.111 Country Ukraine
    forums.rusmedserv.com - “I trust only him in medical matters!” | Reviews ... http://irecommend.ru/ By location: SITE - irecommend.ru IP - 148.251.0.103 Country Germany
    Rusmedserver http://www.uso.ru/ Locate: SITE - uso.ru IP - 5.9.105.12 Country Germany
    According to Komarovsky, let’s now discuss the Russian medical server ... http://mydist.ucoz.ru/ Locate: SITE - mydist.ucoz.ru IP - 193.109.246.86 Country Virgin Islands, British
    1. saag
      saag 18 November 2014 17: 55
      +1
      And the site of the Military Review in Germany is located, what to do? :-)
      1. sledgehammer
        sledgehammer 18 November 2014 20: 24
        0
        Quote: saag
        And the site of the Military Review in Germany is located, what to do? :-)

        in Spain, to be exact. the owner is a private person. who knows who the owner is and who he is, can only guess ..
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  7. Iskander Khan
    Iskander Khan 18 November 2014 14: 46
    +2
    It all depends on who will take over the initiative. If state employees are headed by the same liberals, then state employees are capable of bringing down or shaking the state. They are like in the movie "Fight Club" everywhere and serve us. They treat and teach our children. So how will they get the job done? For the good of the state or for the good of the Swamp and Manezh?
    Uncle Vova is now at a convenient time for cleaning the relevant ministries based on the results of the rallies.
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 18 November 2014 17: 28
      +2
      Quote: Iskander Khan
      Uncle Vova is now at a convenient time for cleaning the relevant ministries based on the results of the rallies.

      It’s a convenient time for 15 years, only Vovka eats, but does not listen to anyone.
      1. WInovikov
        WInovikov 18 November 2014 23: 06
        +2
        Why listen? He solves global problems. And medicine and education are a trifle, and you can not pay attention.
  8. dr.star75
    dr.star75 18 November 2014 14: 48
    +2
    And here the fuse for future protests has appeared! The nationalists thought the first to go, no, it looks like teachers and doctors. Well, then: unknown snipers ...
  9. MSL
    MSL 18 November 2014 14: 49
    0
    The topic of the article is very important. The article itself seems to be correct. BUT Author! It does not inspire.
  10. vlade99
    vlade99 18 November 2014 14: 52
    +4
    Unfortunately, all this is true. I, a pre-education teacher, have a full rate of 9000 rubles per month. In St. Petersburg. Aw! The first channel, who has twenty? Recently I listened to how a graduate of the current Moscow philological department is trying to convey the idea in words - the Soviet third-grader did better. At my film courses, students who graduated from film schools were engaged in the feeling that they studied at a vocational school on woodworking, etc.
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 18 November 2014 19: 13
      +3
      Quote: vlade99
      the feeling that, in vocational schools for woodworking, etc.

      I don’t have to do it indiscriminately. I myself finished vocational schools in woodworking, but I can teach many people literacy.
  11. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 November 2014 14: 53
    +3
    I just want to collect the authors and executors of these reforms in education and medicine and the general system, together with clowns from the ear of matzah, bzdzhdy and others, send to the Kuril Islands. Let them master it; military towns for border guards build MANUAL.
    1. kimyth1
      kimyth1 18 November 2014 15: 59
      0
      Chegoooo didn’t understand il with a little tight humor !!! :-)
  12. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 18 November 2014 14: 55
    +2
    Sometimes I think that some of our officials are deliberately shaking the situation in Russia with their "reforms"! hi This applies again to the liberals, led by the iPhone yes if supporters of GDP and a strong Russia are in the power bloc, then the liberals oversee the social program,it would be time for such acts to be brought in as a betrayal of the homeland and for felling years so for ... enough for life with confiscation !!! soldier
  13. Dormidosha
    Dormidosha 18 November 2014 14: 58
    +5
    A good article is correct !!!!! And at the same time, sad because we are sitting and watching how our children are yearning for incomprehensible portfolios, performing incomprehensible tasks, while regularly and meekly handing over money for various needs, whispering from this in the kitchens and on the shops with neighbors !!! A NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT LOUDLY !! BECAUSE HOW WE LOSE THE NEXT GENERATION !!!!!!!!
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 18 November 2014 17: 31
      +2
      There is only one way out - to teach yourself.
  14. Not served
    Not served 18 November 2014 14: 59
    +3
    The fifth column is sitting in the state. cabinets.
    People are provoked by protests. Then they begin provocations on the actions themselves and give the police commands to ensure detentions and protocols finding fault with everything. As a result, they themselves do what they want, there is no control over them.
    It is clear that we will now begin to reduce budget expenditures, only by what articles will they begin to cut, they will not offend loved ones. In Moscow, free medicine in general, consider that there is no long time.
  15. bmv04636
    bmv04636 18 November 2014 15: 13
    0
    With Moscow medicine, it’s not so simple, the Moscow health officer said that out of 7 thousand laid off, 5 thousand are pensioners (receive a good Moscow pension plus a good salary) and 2 thousand are of pre-retirement age.
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 18 November 2014 15: 28
      +7
      And you believed a member of United Russia ???
      1. WInovikov
        WInovikov 18 November 2014 23: 09
        0
        But is it time to rename United Russia into Disconnected Russia?
  16. Tanysh
    Tanysh 18 November 2014 15: 14
    +6
    The article is superficial until I can not! The bureaucratic revolution has triumphed! The number of apparatus is inflated - growing exponentially.
    Doctors and teachers are formally dependent on the number of completed papers required by bureaucrats. Officials report the number of papers, (people say more paper is cleaner than an ass)!
    The salary in the ministries is much higher than for people who teach or treat, and any cuts hit those who really work.
    What joy bureaucrats bring to the descendants of Dulles Only bureaucrats are able to ruin the country without resorting to the Maidan.
  17. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 18 November 2014 15: 15
    +1
    in fact, everything is simple ... no matter how anyone wants to lead everything to the machinations of the US State Department or someone else ... the problem is precisely in the level of intelligence of officials (at least the health care ... and other departments, too, for sure) ... personally witness to this repeatedly.
  18. 70BSN
    70BSN 18 November 2014 15: 16
    +8
    Yes, we have problems everywhere, and every year ordinary citizens are doing worse and worse for us !!!

    The small town in which my aunt taught (Teacher of Russian Literature in High School) was unable to work until retirement because the school was closed, and in the other they referred for age !!! Thank you State!

    Medicine is free, not because I don't want to work ..... I am a person involved in sports since childhood and to this day, I will give you an example: At the age of 22 I worked as a picker in a warehouse and played sports (football, gym) and given that I had a lot of workload on legs, then I got the disease VARICOSIS in the free I was told "three sitting WANGS" that I was cheating on them, here is free medicine for you. I had to go to a paid one and give the money for the consultation 2000 rubles ............

    And as a whole, I can’t understand what the state is doing in our country, except for making money in my pocket !!!!
    Given that over the 15 years of rule, there was much to be done if all this were done for the good of the whole country, and not ourselves of our loved ones (friends, relatives), we spend time, suffer from all sorts of nonsense, raise prices for everything, and the salary itself is for most simple workers slightly exceeds the cost of living .....

    Thank you, the state, for at least letting me walk and live on my motherland of RUSSIA !!!

    You can write and talk about a lot !!! But there will be a result when the BIG PART OF WORKS WILL COME OUT WHEN ANYTHING ON THE STREET IN ALL CITIES AND START TO ASK FOR THE STATE !!!!

    Just don't write that I'm a liberal or someone else, you just travel around RUSSIA and see who and how "lives" SURVIVES !!!
    And then we will discuss with you since once a year I travel to almost all regions of our country.
    This work!

    PURE MY OPINION TO ANYONE, I DO NOT WANT TO THOUGH THAT !!!
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 18 November 2014 16: 26
      +1
      I can’t understand what the state is doing in our country, except for making money in my pocket !!!!


      Like what??? And the upcoming Universiade and Mudinal? Is this not good for the people?
      That's it after that we will heal ...
      1. 70BSN
        70BSN 19 November 2014 08: 49
        0
        I see we are after the Winter Olympics just super good have healed! YES?

        But the majority of mining enterprises are still waiting for payment with them for the supply of products for the construction of the Olympics !!! At the moment, most of these enterprises / companies were unable to work on a full cycle of work since there were not enough material resources!

        So, what kind of speech is there that we will live well ??? + to all this, the funds allocated for the construction of stadiums are often part of the funds "poured to the left" ........ From this only again it turns out for those who are closer to the feeding troughs to live !!!
  19. MuadDib
    MuadDib 18 November 2014 15: 28
    -1
    The author somewhat exaggerates. It seems to me. But education is indeed the foundation of a strong society and state.
  20. Yurrra.
    Yurrra. 18 November 2014 15: 29
    0
    We get up from our knees, but by the way, what’s there with a single history textbook? The president gave TsU.
  21. Tribuns
    Tribuns 18 November 2014 15: 34
    +3
    The majority of Russians vote with both hands for the foreign policy of our president, the leadership of which he did not give at the mercy of anyone, and he himself leads the general line on the political and economic independence of Russia from the West ... But, the internal policy of Russia in the field of science, education, culture, medicine and other areas of the social sphere are still governed by pro-Western liberals who have settled in the center and in the localities through their appointees - "effective" managers who have displaced specialized leaders - specialists. Moreover, the activities of these appointees-managers only alienate Vladimir Putin from the people ... And what kind of unity of the Russian people can we talk about if the decisions of these appointees do not fundamentally coincide with the interests of the people ... And this naturally triggers a protest process and leads people to hold rallies at a street that pleases the West and its fifth column in Russia like a balm to the soul ...
    1. UralMan
      UralMan 18 November 2014 15: 51
      +3
      Moreover, the activities of these appointed managers only alienate Vladimir Putin from the people ...

      Yes, he himself with them for one thing ... WHAT IS NOT visible?

      As he protects the Red and the Heart, others have long gone to prison
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 18 November 2014 16: 49
        +2
        The constitution needs to be changed. Power - to the people, not to party lists!
  22. Deadmen
    Deadmen 18 November 2014 16: 04
    +2
    Australia "shot" itself in the foot by refusing to supply Russian uranium. Reported by Gazeta.ru with reference to the information and press department of the Russian Foreign Ministry. Australian Ambassador to Moscow Paul Mailer said that fuel supplies to Russia were discontinued due to the loss of confidence in the country.

    ahahahaaaaa yes we have uranium reserves for decades already. Who became ill then)))
    1. saag
      saag 18 November 2014 17: 59
      0
      Quote: Deadmen
      ahahahaaaaa yes we already have reserves of uranium for decades.

      Here's how, but tell me, why does Russia acquire uranium from Kazakhstan, bought Canadian Uraniom one and was planning to buy in Australia?
  23. iner
    iner 18 November 2014 16: 27
    -2
    The game is half true ...
  24. Slovek
    Slovek 18 November 2014 16: 38
    +2
    Yes, it is necessary for a long time to protect the country from those crooks who only collect loot here. It is necessary to introduce a law, property qualification - restrictions for those who hold certain bureaucratic and deputy positions. Citizenship of the country for 15-20 years, a ban on real estate abroad and keeping money in foreign banks for an official, his immediate family and children. Prohibition of dual citizenship. A ban on the education of children abroad. And if a former official wants to dump over the hill, then let him bring down, only after the complete confiscation of property and no pension from the country. Then officials will start thinking about their future and the future of their children and worry about their old age. "And how will I live in retirement, and maybe drug addicts will chuck me or my children with a knife on the neck at the entrance, or the country will live poorly and the former officials will cancel their pensions, and they will have to sell the country house.
    And as we have now, these are all temporary workers who give a damn about the people and the country, they have one goal - to collect dough and dump it over the hill to live beautifully, drink wine and tell local fables about how they lived in this terrible country "where all drug addicts, alcoholics and the terrible" tyrant "Putin. It is useless to scare them with the prosecutor's office, checks and other conversations with the Medvedevs. They know how to excuse themselves and wriggle out of any claims and questions. The necessary papers and answer templates are prepared in advance. Yes, and what can they do? In extreme cases, they will simply be fired, but basically they will be transferred to another position to further master the budget. Because of this, all the troubles in our country. If a hard worker screw up at work, they will take off three skins from him, they will take them in all the cracks, and if an official, then no one will do anything to him.
  25. Finches
    Finches 18 November 2014 16: 38
    +1
    Here you are cursing, arguing and a lot about the case, but I personally liked the name and surname of the Moscow education deportation-Isaac Kalina! I don’t want to say anything personal and bad, but I’m tempted to write, I immediately feel that for the education of the Russian capital, he will tear the anus! laughing
    1. saag
      saag 18 November 2014 18: 01
      0
      Quote: Finches
      Isaac Kalina! I don’t want to say anything personal and bad, but I’m tempted to write, I immediately feel that for the education of the Russian capital, he will tear the anus!


      But how will they appoint Patriarch Kirill to the post of Minister of Education, what will you say then?
      1. Finches
        Finches 18 November 2014 21: 37
        +1
        I am not a nationalist, but here, as an example from my little life experience: as the head of the food warehouse, so Ogonesyan, as the commander of a motorized rifle platoon, so Ivanov!
        Without analytics, it happens in different ways, but for some reason such a trend turns out ...!
        1. WInovikov
          WInovikov 18 November 2014 23: 18
          +2
          Once they asked the question "Do you know the shortest anecdote?" The answer is "The Jew is a loader."
  26. Letnab
    Letnab 18 November 2014 16: 39
    +3
    The article is correct, even though it seems superficial to someone. I myself observe young specialists at work, the level of knowledge upsets them to say the least .. In medicine, it’s scary to get sick!
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 18 November 2014 19: 21
      0
      Sick is expensive, reluctance to die, you have to live.
  27. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 18 November 2014 16: 51
    +2
    In fairness, I must say that the "reforms" of both education and health care are caused not so much by the intrigues of "sent agents of influence", but by the entire policy of our state, by the actions of "effective managers" who finance these organizations according to the "residual" principle, that is, everything time cut their funding. So you have to, as you say, "accountants" pull a "patchwork quilt" from a meager budget for the entire organization, it is clear that there will not be enough for everyone, hence all sorts of "cuts". In addition, we must not forget that behind the chatter about the "priority of the social orientation" of our state, in fact, there is a purposeful policy of shifting, as much as possible, the responsibilities of the state onto the shoulders of citizens and the gradual abolition of all "free" and "social" transfers. absolutely everything on a "paid" basis.
  28. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 18 November 2014 16: 53
    +1
    It’s true that the current government doesn’t have a reform, but an act of vandalism. Power ruins the country from the inside. Poki inside Putin will not put things in order, there can be no talk of any strengthening and independence.
    1. saag
      saag 18 November 2014 18: 02
      +2
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      the current government doesn’t have a reform, it’s an act of vandalism.

      This is cast in granite :-)
    2. WInovikov
      WInovikov 18 November 2014 23: 21
      0
      He will not restore order. What should he use against sambo ministers? Not diplomatically. And he has no other measures.
  29. Signaller
    Signaller 18 November 2014 17: 39
    -1
    Science, education, healthcare, industry .... and much more. DAM is responsible for everything. A cow lover and a time lord. But isn’t it time to apply power. ?????
    1. tulaev
      tulaev 18 November 2014 19: 52
      +1
      so I think that this is precisely what the liberal government is needed for - to destroy everything under the cries of patriotism. Then they will write off the liberalists (of course, to a patriotic applause), and the work will be done - time will be lost! Neither economy, education, health care, industry will remain, nothing will remain in working condition! in such a simple way, that time of 10 years will be stretched, which will enable the West to reformat and take us in no way, since we simply won’t be able to restore everything that has collapsed in the few years that we remain ...
  30. leond
    leond 18 November 2014 18: 03
    0
    You read the comments and the feeling is that it’s worth the whine. People are poorly oriented in reality. There are a lot of dissatisfied with the established rules. But to change these rules, you must first join the game according to these rules. And they are simple. There are political armies in the country: parties, some more, others less. It is clear that large parties, in order to preserve their hegemony, use not only legal, but also illegal means of struggle against their competitors. Protests outside parties will have the character of anarchist protests, and will be used by various parties to raise their own authority or seize power. Therefore, any protest must first be issued in the form of a party so that the other party could not use this protest for its own mercenary purposes, giving the protest a different shade and purpose. That is, organize, create a party, for example, Future Russia, a program, organize advertising in the media, the Internet and on big boards.
  31. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 18 November 2014 18: 04
    +1
    Quote: Mareman Vasilich
    Power ruins the country from the inside. Poki inside Putin will not put things in order, there can be no talk of any strengthening and independence.


    He had no time, he was busy with international problems, Medvedev was entrusted with internal ones, you see the result, there was a systematic destruction of the Russian People, society was gradually leading to an explosion due to social problems, agriculture was destroyed, devastation in the village was not the same as in the war, and secondary professional training, problems in medicine, education, you can list for a long time, but the number of officials has increased several times, and everyone receives a feeble salary, not counting bribes.
    1. WInovikov
      WInovikov 18 November 2014 23: 25
      0
      A game of "good" and "bad". Putin is good and Medvedev is bad. Therefore, Putin's rating is high. Who would believe these ratings.
  32. assam4
    assam4 18 November 2014 18: 06
    +2
    Until Putin begins to restore order, there can be no talk of any strengthening and independence.
    He says, "We are not in 37th year now."
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 18 November 2014 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: assam4
      He says, "We are not in 37th year now."

      Well then, let's wait 2037, maybe then ...
  33. Drunya
    Drunya 18 November 2014 21: 26
    0
    Doctors more often than others

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  34. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 November 2014 21: 32
    +1
    You can understand the reduction in education - there are fewer children, but there are no fewer patients. The population is aging.
  35. FlyEngine
    FlyEngine 19 November 2014 02: 24
    +2
    Until in our country they stop treating doctors like cattle, it won’t get better. For some reason, it is believed here that a doctor is a robot without a personal life, a doctor in our country does not have any rights, but only duties. Too many doctors leave because of the disgusting attitude towards them from those whom they help. For example, in Israel, doctors are idolized; insulting a doctor there is considered a shameful and foul affair. And we have the opposite. And this is very sad. Adults are very difficult to fix. Of course, I'm not talking about everyone, but about 80% of people.