In the Baltic, the Russian corvette discovered the "Black Hole"

The newest corvette "Steregushchy" discovered one of the most silent submarines in the world in the Baltic Sea test ranges, the Agency reports REGNUM.

Corvette Baltic fleet "Guardian."

"During the time of departure, the crew of the corvette completed anti-submarine operations - conducted exercises to search for, detect, maintain contact and tracking, as well as counteract the submarine of the conditional enemy using the latest anti-submarine armament complex" Package "”, - told the agency at the headquarters of the Baltic Fleet.

The role of the conditional enemy was fulfilled by the Varshavyanka-class submarine (877 project), which gained the respectful nickname “Black Hole” for its noiselessness in NATO. The submarine was assigned the training task of “approaching the corvette at maximum speed to the distance of a torpedo attack and use weapons”.

“Despite the acoustic secrecy of the Varshavyanka, the crew of the corvette managed to successfully classify the target and conditionally destroy it using a torpedo launched from the newest anti-submarine complex installed on the Steregushchem.”- told the representatives of the fleet.

Help agency: "Corvette" Steregushchy "- the lead ship of the project 20380. Corvettes of the 20380 project have a 2 displacement of thousands of tons, a length of more than 100 meters, a maximum speed of up to 27 nodes, an autonomous navigation distance of 4 thousands of miles. Ships of this class are fundamentally new in their tactical and technical characteristics and combat properties. Among their main advantages are multifunctionality, compactness, stealth, high level of automation and integration of control systems. ”

Comments

[skylare]

Our sailors showed their high training again. If the Varshavyanka was discovered, the submarines of the “probable allies” would not hide either. Well done!

[Mitek]

The mast was pretty smoked) And the boat designers have something to think about)) In general, the news about the replenishment of the naval fleet is encouraging) of course I want more, but not all at once.

[Anton Gavrilov]

The aft mast on the ships of this project was originally painted black.

[Demetry]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

The aft mast on the ships of this project was originally painted black.

And the "bow mast" and the hangar were originally painted in a dirty color ???

[Wiruz]

"bow mast"

Bow mast ??? Can a main mast (aft)?

[Demetry]

Quote: Wiruz

Bow mast ??? belay Can a main mast (aft)?

Well, call her foremast. The one that is spherical in color, but more dirty than the main color of the ship (except for the hangar).

[crazyrom]

I don’t even know what to think ... We have such bad submarines or such good corvettes

[dmitrich]

Quote: crazyrom

I don’t know what to think ...

then keep silent!

[Warlock_r]

What is there to think about?

We read: "The submarine was given a training task" to approach the corvette at maximum speed at the distance of a torpedo attack and use weapons. "

Does anyone believe that the maximum speed driving mode is fully compatible with the maximum stealth mode?

[EVIL]

At least one literate)
otherwise lyubolyubtsy amuse)

By the way, I would not be surprised if the corvette commander was instructed on the speed course and on the coordinates where he should hear Warsaw)

[dmitrich]

Quote: crazyrom

I don’t even know what to think ... We have such bad submarines or such good corvettes

and the submarines and corvettes we have are good, just the dumb commenters!

[Serg65]

Quote: Demetry

Quote: Wiruz

Bow mast ??? belay Can a main mast (aft)?

Well, call her foremast. The one that is spherical in color, but more dirty than the main color of the ship (except for the hangar).

Here the foremast is just the same smoked, because the wind in the Baltic for five minutes in five directions changes direction.

[Lionsio]

Quote: Demetry

And the "bow mast" and the hangar were originally painted in a dirty color ???

.
The color is called "ball".
Ball color. ◊ ball paint is a paint made from white, chalk and soot.

[Demetry]

Quote: Lionsio

The color is called "ball".
Ball color. ◊ ball paint is a paint made from white, chalk and soot.

Thanks for explaining .
The fact that the color of the mast painted with ball paint soot a little more than necessary, I said. Even more soot in the color of the hangar, and especially a lot in the color of the roof of the hangar

[Tourist]

Quote: Demetry

Quote: Lionsio

The color is called "ball".
Ball color. ◊ ball paint is a paint made from white, chalk and soot.

Thanks for explaining .
The fact that the color of the mast painted with ball paint soot a little more than necessary, I said. Even more soot in the color of the hangar, and especially a lot in the color of the roof of the hangar

I did not understand: you checkers, or go?

[boris-1230]

He just spit ...

[Sibiriya]

The submarine was given the training task "to approach the corvette at maximum speed to the distance of a torpedo attack and use weapons."

What will happen if the quiet?
specialists where comments)

[Sibiriya]

and fucking in full
if by stealth 5 nodes max ??

[EVIL]

Perhaps the black cat will go unnoticed in the black room))

[CGKS]

perhaps one word is missing: at maximum low noise speed, and it depends on the depth of immersion

[Uncle lee]

What did you get into painting? And about the performance of a combat mission is not a word.

[Samklim]

Here you are about color demagoguery lit. But is the photo really taken right after the exercises or during them? I won't ulce, I'm just curious. And sailors - well done.

[Serg65]

And the "bow mast" and the hangar were originally painted in a dirty color ??? [/ quote]
The foremast ("bow" in your understanding) and superstructure (hangar) are painted in naval camouflage, for the Baltic it is a dirty gray! Yes ...... pink and blue in the Navy is not welcome !!!!

[Demetry]

Ha, funny. He looked here))))))))) And what is dissatisfaction with? Why such a minus? Why did I say that the hangar and mast were smoky?

Am I wrong in something? )))))))))) I'm stunned !!!

In general, it seemed to me that I'm just saying a common truth visible to the naked eye !!! it turns out no .... the color close to black should be perceived as light ball))))

I’m bastard.))))

[RUSIVAN]

I threw you +)) Do not worry, happiness is not in the pros)

[nogicune]

Of course, I really wildly apologize for the people, in general, I’m purely land (at sea I was current once at the age of four), but the flag on the photo is sort of like a British one, or is it some kind of innovation, a new iteration of the Andreev flag I apologize again I'm not a specialist

[Ivan_Anatolich]

This "jack" was installed on the bow flagpole on the ships of the Russian Empire. Unfortunately, I forgot the heraldic meaning.

[Aleksys2]

Quote: Ivan_Anatolich

This is "jack"

Gyuys (from the Netherlands. Geus - gyuze, the common name for the nasal flag of marine gyuza) is the nasal flag of a ship or vessel, which along with the state, civil or commercial flag or naval flag indicates the nationality of ships and vessels.

First, on Russian ships, a similar stern flag was used as a guis. Around the 1699 of the year (no later than the 1701 of the year) in the Russian fleet, a guys (flag hoisted on the bowsprit (bow flagpole)) of the original design appeared.
A flag similar to guys was used as a flag of sea fortresses.
Until 1924 in Soviet Russia, the tsar’s old guys was preserved as a flag of sea fortresses.

The first guys of the USSR Navy was approved by the decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR from 29 on August 1924, it was a red panel with straight white and oblique blue (with a white border) crosses, in the center on a white circle a red star was depicted, with a sickle and hammer inside. The drawing was based on the composition of the old royal guis.

By the decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of July 7, 1932 "On changing the resolution of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of August 29, 1924 on the flags and pennants of the USSR" a new jack and a fortress flag were introduced.
This guis lasted until the collapse of the USSR.
On July 21 of 1992, the President of Russia signed Decree No.798 on the approval of new flags. On July 26, new flags were solemnly raised on the ships of the Navy (with the exception of the Black Sea Fleet, the status of which had not yet been specified). According to the Decree, the naval flag of Russia was installed: white with a blue Andreev’s cross, a new guys (restored pre-revolutionary version).

[boris-1230]

Many THANKS for the high-quality and interesting answer! +100

[BIG]

Quote: Ivan_Anatolich

True, the heraldic significance, unfortunately, has been forgotten.

This is a combination of two crosses:
1. A simple cross is the cross of St. George (saint is a warrior). True, the classic St. George cross is red on a white background, with us it is the other way around.
2. Oblique St. Andrew's Cross - Andrew, the first-named patron saint of sailors. According to legend Andrew was crucified on a slanting cross.

[ver_]

.. Saint George = George the Victorious = Yuri-George Dolgoruky = Genghis Khan .. Andrew the First-Called = Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky 1152-1185 = Jesus Christ the Emperor was crucified on a cross in the city of Troy as a result of a palace coup ..

[Tourist]

Quote: ver_

.. Saint George = George the Victorious = Yuri-George Dolgoruky = Genghis Khan .. Andrew the First-Called = Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky 1152-1185 = Jesus Christ the Emperor was crucified on a cross in the city of Troy as a result of a palace coup ..

Citizen Fomenko, do not bother. This is not your forum ...

[tasey]

Friend, you at least googled .... "Union Jack" is different! There ALL stripes are BLUE on a white background, and they diverge slightly differently.

[Anton Gavrilov]

By the way, the photo is not Stereguschiy, but the 2 ship of the Soobrazitelny series. The main ship is very easy to distinguish from everyone in the ZRAK Kortik-M complex in front of the bridge.

[volodyk50]

By the way, the photo is not Stereguschiy, but the 2 ship of the Soobrazitelny series. The main ship is very easy to distinguish from everyone in the ZRAK Kortik-M complex in front of the bridge.

ALSO BOARD NUMBER 530 I am amazed at the incompetence of the authors of the article, this is not a top-secret object, the photos on the Internet are simply messed up.

[yehat]

why such a dissonance?
it’s so conceived, but for what reason? They put forward a version so that the soot was not visible - it received a bunch of minuses, but I did not see another version in the subject.

[opus]

Quote: yehat

why such a dissonance?

understand why?
Why paint what you do not have time to clean later.
left "NATURAL color"

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they have the same puff

[Andrey NM]

For such a "chug" then the mechanic shoots from the commander, the division commander shoots from the mechanic, everyone is "happy" and in good shape. I witnessed the spread when for such smoke the commander of the cruiser "Alexander Nevsky" Captain 2nd Rank Shurygin put in. This is the commander who later "drove" to the North from under the noses of the Ukrainians "Kuznetsov". And "Nevsky" in 1984 gave out 33 knots, though not for long.

[Samklim]

The propaganda machine missed. But that’s nothing, normal. Almost all shawala.

[Spnsr]

Quote: Mitek

The mast was pretty smoked)

it was so zealous to search for the “Black Hole”, I was already sweating

[Kostyar]

The submarine was given the training task "to approach the corvette at maximum speed to the distance of a torpedo attack and use weapons."

Yes, probably something is messed up in the article, all the same, tests were not carried out by outsiders ...

[97110]

Quote: Bone

Yes, probably something is messed up in the article, all the same, tests were not carried out by outsiders ...

Yes, no, that's right. Nowhere are the nodes per hour, so a qualified specialist wrote.

[Samklim]

Qualified propagandist.

[olegff68]

So in the photo in general - CONFORMABLE ...

[Canep]

The submarine was given the training task "to approach the corvette at maximum speed to the distance of a torpedo attack and use weapons."

With this formulation of the problem, you can not dive, at maximum speed any submarine will make noise. I don’t see the merits of the crew here. Now, if the task of the boat was to hide, and the anti-submariners would find it ...

[muginov2015]

See at the root, sapper!

[Sabroc]

I would put you a hundred pluses, really appreciated, not only that, in the Marquise pool, neither the depth nor the hydrology is suitable, but the task was actually set to find yourself, dishonest!

[Scoun]

Quote: sabroc

they also set the task to actually find themselves dishonest!

))) Well, here, following the example of the Americans - if they launched a target missile with a beacon to bring down it, then a submarine at full speed to detect))

[Vasek]

Quote: Scoun

))) Well, here, following the example of the Americans - if they launched a target missile with a beacon to bring down it, then a submarine at full speed to detect))

Looks like self-solace.

[Genur]

Something like a non-commissioned officer widow ...

[sub307]

Quite right, a diesel boat to attack a surface ship approaching at full speed is nonsense (from which combat manual did you dig out this tactical technique?). The diesel-electric submarine can be located at the expected meeting point with the enemy (according to reconnaissance data), or a search in the area as part of the curtain - all this is exclusively under the "economic passage" with maximum secrecy. Full moves "are cut right after the attack to" lift off "(if there is anyone left) with maneuvering along the course and depth, taking into account hydrology (the presence or absence of a" jump layer "and other conditions).

[kote119]

totally agree

[GUS]

The main thing is not to hang around in the bases, but to learn! They study at sea, both of them! In practice! That’s the main thing. And what task was worked out this time, it’s not important. Next time they will work out another, then another, etc. . As it should be.
Seven feet under the keel guys!

[Andrey NM]

In the early 90s, they participated in anti-submarine exercises. They cut us a range of 20x20 miles, and the three of them were looking for us in the classic front formation. It all ended with the command to give us an active package. Well, that's it, here they found us, they walked proud! And in 1984, on "Shura Nevsky" they also went to the exercises, there were three anti-submarine ships in escort, so the boat of the 671 project went between us as it wanted. Then she approached us, looking for a practical torpedo. And the crew on the ship amused the people: "combat training alert to repel an attack of a cruise missile." Everything would be fine, but there all the barrels "hand-to-hand" are spinning, there was only an old "Don" radar station that you can intercept there.

[Giant thought]

Not so she comes out and this black hole.

[dmitreach]

She: "Black Hole", not the "Goldfish" hound. And the "hole" indicators refer to the speed modes less than 5 knots. But this is already a question of tactics (for what tasks it was created) ...

[Manul]

Quote: Thought Giant

Not so she comes out and this black hole.

You can immediately see those who have the leisure to read the previous comments.

[Civil]

I don’t even know ... whether to rejoice or to look with reproach ...

[papas-57]

"The submarine was given a training task" to approach the corvette at maximum speed at torpedo attack distance and use weapons. "" At maximum speed? Is it that the corvette `` training attack '' would not oversleep? Then it would be better to carry out an attack from the surface. The corvette will find the boat much earlier, the exercises will be recognized as successful, the corvette crew will receive gratitude, the commander will receive a new star, the admiral will receive an order. And everyone is happy.

[abrakadabre]

At maximum speed? Is it that the corvette `` training attack '' would not oversleep? Then it would be better to carry out an attack from the surface.

Yeah. And not a torpedo attack, but a ram. On the surface, with the pennant raised and the broadcast "Upstairs, comrades, everyone is in their places ..." through the loudspeakers.

[yehat]

you read inattentively: Varshavyanka was given the task to go at maximum speed, while the noise increases. Personally, I did not learn anything from this news. Any modern PLO corvette must detect a boat going at maximum speed.

[yehat]

you read inattentively: Varshavyanka was given the task to go at maximum speed, while the noise increases. Personally, I did not learn anything from this news. Any modern PLO corvette must detect a boat going at maximum speed.

[tkhonov66]

"...
The role of the conditional enemy was fulfilled by the Varshavyanka-class submarine (877 project), which gained the respectful nickname “Black Hole” for its noiselessness in NATO. The submarine was assigned the training task of “approaching the corvette at maximum speed to the distance of a torpedo attack and use weapons”.
..."
.
- Dear "author" ...
Varshavyanka "at maximum speed" is not a "black hole" ...
.
Varshavyanka "at maximum speed" is a game of SUPPORT.
.
And this is the materiel ...

[edouard]

Beautiful ship

[Ejik_026]

I think in a combat environment, she would quietly sneak up or stand on the route to attack. But I wouldn’t go under all the pairs. Fuck he would spot it.

[Welcome to hell]

The submarine was given the training task "to approach the corvette at maximum speed to the distance of a torpedo attack and use weapons." the most important thing here is at maximum speed so that the submarine does not find itself, it needs to have the minimum speed within 2-3 knots, and not for 30 knots

[bubnila-70]

on the nose "UNION JACK" ?!

[avt]

Quote: bubnila-xnumx

on the nose "UNION JACK" ?!

Generally, the jack - is at anchor, by the way - not "Keeping" in the photo - "Smart" if the number was not misled

[sv100year]

Quote: avt

Quote: bubnila-xnumx

on the nose "UNION JACK" ?!

Generally, the jack - is at anchor, by the way - not "Keeping" in the photo - "Smart" if the number was not misled

here, even without numbers, it is clear that it is not a "fearing" dagger but a redoubt on the "guarding".

[huut]

Quote: bubnila-xnumx

on the nose "UNION JACK" ?!

Probably guis:
http://www.vexillographia.ru/russia/EmpirFlt.htm

But, a quote from there - Most likely, the model for the Russian gyus was the guys of the British Navy.

I'm not a sailor, I just know the addresses of search engines)

[igorkuzik]

At the heart of St. Andrew's flag

[traper]

I, a man of purely land, but I heard that the bow flag of the ship is called - Guys. It rises when the ship is on a military campaign.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: traper

I, a man of purely land

Guys - a fortress flag, are entitled to carry ships of 1 and 2 rank. It rises at the anchor and the ship's anchorage against the wall. Rises and descends in the base along with the Andrevsky flag.

[sv100year]

gyus is hoisted when the ship is parked at the berth or at anchor. Then the stern flag is also hoisted. On the fly, the flag is transferred to the mast, gyus is lowered.

[Serg65]

Quote: traper

I, a man of purely land, but I heard that the bow flag of the ship is called - Guys. It rises when the ship is on a military campaign.

to confuse you even more I will say that, sailors uniform collar is also called gyus!

[Drmadfisher]

This is the Keyser flag of the Russian Navy. Teach materiel, ignoramus

[shibi]

Kaiser-flag rises on the main mast of the ship.
Flag of the heir to the throne.
Learn materiel.

[sv100year]

Quote: DrMadfisher

This is the Keyser flag of the Russian Navy. Teach materiel, ignoramus

under Tsar Gorokh, they called the kaiser flag. so the keizer flag of the Russian Navy is bullshit.

[arnulla]

Materiel and you, it would not hurt to learn it))) In Russia there is no Navy, there is a Navy ...

[UVB]

Actually, the British flag is similar to our Guys, only the colors on it are exactly the opposite:

[Wiruz]

Actually, the British flag is similar to our Guys, only the colors on it are exactly the opposite:

In general, this is our guis similar to the British flag, and not vice versa

[Cassik]

well finally but people get confused ...

[Sabroc]

On the nose Gyuys, Fleet of Russia! Land oil, anchor those in the clus!

[UralMan]

WELL - "HOT FINNISH GUYS"

[Not local]

I respect, sailors, for their incomprehensible curses !!!

[Serg65]

Quote: Non-local

I respect, sailors, for their incomprehensible curses !!!

Quote: sabroc

On the nose Gyuys, Fleet of Russia! Land oil, anchor those in the clus!

These are only flowers, you would listen to what is going on when removing and anchoring!

[97110]

Quote: Serg65

what happens when lifting and anchoring!

And what happens when anchored? When setting anchor give. And in this incomprehensible case - they accept?

[sv68]

bubnila70-you don’t need to make such a fuss, if I don’t argue on your nose, but insult the flag of the Russian Navy, stupidity.

[Koshak]

Quote: bubnila-xnumx

on the nose "UNION JACK" ?!

For those who see small Britain. Especially for incompetent color blind
Guys - the bow flag of the ship, previously hoisted on the bowsprit, in connection with which there may be an unofficial name "bowsprit flag". At present, in Russia it belongs exclusively to naval ships of rank 1 or 2, it rises on the tank (on the bow) of ships, including submarines, only when the ship is anchored (barrel, moorings). In this connection, gyus has one more, unofficial, name - “parking flag”. It rises and descends daily simultaneously with the rise and descent of the Navy flag.

[tasey]

cons legally, instructed, I explained above to one friend. It is not difficult, as it is fashionable to say, to "google", and then draw conclusions. No?

[VadimSt]

Among their main advantages are multifunctionality, compactness, stealth, a high level of automation and integration of control systems. ”

It remains to win one more advantage - from the number in the Russian Navy!

[mig31]

The seas and oceans must rightfully be ours, for we are their guardians and discoverers, as well as protectors ...

[saag]

Well, it turns out she is not a "black hole", more PR, since the corvette was able to detect it, but what about ships with more advanced hydroacoustics?

[Spnsr]

Quote: saag

Well, it turns out she is not a "black hole", more PR, since the corvette was able to detect it

sorry what did you mean by saying

but what about ships with better sonar?

the same article says

using newest anti-submarine weapons complex "Package"

what else is there

ships with better sonar?

[saag]

And what is the only sonar system in the world?

[Spnsr]

Quote: saag

And what is the only sonar system in the world?

you probably wanted to say

latest anti-submarine weapons system

or did you want to say that they are cooked like pies?

[kostya-petrov]

you understand that someone had to substitute. In particular, a submarine. And someone for this will get a hat.
So, not surprisingly, this is a normal practice in sonar. Well, you have to drive it and hone it for something.

[traper]

Well, firstly, according to the terms of the exercises, the pearl boat on the ship is "at full speed", and this dramatically increases the chances of finding it. And secondly, the question: do you know ships with a more advanced p / l detection system?

[saag]

Quote: traper

Well, firstly, according to the terms of the exercises, the pearl boat on the ship is "in full swing"

In this case, if the corvette was able to detect it precisely in such conditions, then I dare to say that there are ships with a more advanced hack :-)

[VAF]

Quote: saag

Well, it turns out she is not a "black hole", more PR, since the corvette was able to detect it

Or maybe on the contrary .. the boat is a "black hole", but the corvette .. as if to put it mildly ..... can not detect anything, only at shallow depth.full speed .. well, probably on the perescope raised signal flags (or maybe they floated up). so that the signalman in the wheelhouse would be set up ... so that he would semaphore ... We are here. We are here. well, and of course the beat of drums and tom-toms and a signal from the horn

Sailors. Don’t be upset .. I’ve joked so much, but anyway .. it makes me think ... who’s sitting in your Headquarters, what is it that sets such tasks?

Well, here, in the Air Force, it is clear "hto" ... 08.-0.9 08.08 ... everything showed

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vaf

Sailors. Don’t be upset ... but anyway ... it makes you think ... who’s sitting in your Headquarters, what are these tasks?

Serega, hello! I'm glad to hear you. I REPORT, as in spirit:
This is all sludge for people!
The corvette closed the task (probably K-3, if the linear one is K-2 with K-3 elements) to search and destroy the submarine of the conditional enemy. Apparently with the implementation of BU PT-2: "Submarine attack with the use of TO". Do you want the "anti-vodochniki" not to close the problem and to enter a unit into the line? No! And at the headquarters too. Hence all the "cunning".
And the fact that the submarine at least 2 times hears the NK - do not even doubt it!
On the means of detecting submarines. At 20380 there are quite decent stations: the inferior Zarya-2, BuGAS Minotavr-M, OGAS Anapa-M. All MFRs are digital ... The corvette, like no one else, is adapted to the "humped" hydrology of the Baltic. To use the "Package" - you need a g / a contact, preferably reliable. This is when the g / acoustician reports, the KBR considers, the navigator reports and the PTS works out the shooting data - everyone is training! There is an EDC, shooting at the UMC.
But I would set the submarine the task of working out the evasion of a torpedo salvo using the means of the GPA (a simulator, of course, will not be given - it is expensive!). This is incredibly invigorating and makes you look for an antidote to NK attacks. Bad with depths, but "good" with hydrology in AWP!
So the headquarters are the same everywhere: in the Air Force, in my department ... It's good if there are "wolves" and not "lambs" (rams!) Sitting in them, who know exactly what is happening on the NK and PL in dueling and other situations.
I still had this before me, I don’t know ...
Regards, Stalin's Falcon! Your kaa.

[boris-1230]

Well, that’s the whole secret! TsRUshnikov left without work! If they don’t send to Kolyma, then they (the CIA) will bang you themselves so that they don’t take away work!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: boris-1230

Well, that’s the whole secret!

"Boris, you're wrong!" (from)
Nope, this is no longer a secret. This was a mystery in the 80's.

Quote: boris-1230

TsRUshnikov left without work! They (TsRUshniki) bang you yourself so that they don’t take away work!

Well, you really strained! The non-disclosure period has already expired. Therefore, I am not a carrier of state. secrets.

Quote: boris-1230

If they don’t send to Kolyma,

then I’ll go to Prague or Madrid again, or maybe to Athens ... Nobody impedes my movement outside the borders of the fatherland. So sleep well, you are our watchful! I am friends with my head so far, so what is still closed has died at the bottom of my memory.

[yehat]

the task had one very important property - it was doable :)

[samoletil18]

Quote: saag

once the corvette could detect it

What will the battleship do?

[yehat]

battleship will continue to work as a museum

[the villain]

Quote: saag

Well, it turns out she is not a "black hole", more PR

Sorry, but a "black hole" according to the classification of our "incredible friends"

[bubnila-70]

ON THE NOSE "UNION JACK" ???

[RONIN-HS]

... ON THE NOSE "UNION JACK" ??? ...

On the nose jack (or otherwise a fortress flag). In fact, ONLY ships of the 1 and 2 rank are required to lift it in the parking lot. These are heavy cruisers, cruisers and leaders (it was). Inexplicably corvette attributed to ships of 2-th rank. IMHO, this is wrong. Although in the lack of fish, if you need to intimidate NATu, then it will!
Worse, the success is given to the task of submarines attacking at full speed. You would have made her attack from a periscope depth, having previously lifted a helicopter into the air. I think these are the jambs of the correspondent. Everything was there wisely, and the scribe caught up with the horror: ... from full speed, yeah, and a volley from the starboard side ... !!!

[Wiruz]

It is not clear why the corvette is assigned to ships of the 2nd rank. IMHO, this is wrong

Yes, because the ships of project 20380 are more correctly called not corvettes, but frigates of the near sea zone. Armament allows. And corvettes should be called highly specialized types of MPlK, MAK, MRK.

[captain]

Either the equipment on the corvette is cool or the boat roars like a beluga.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: captain

or the boat roars like a beluga.

Beluga is a fish. She is silent, like "fish on ice!"
The "beluKha" is a marine mammal, the "white dolphin" is a whale of the toothed order.
In Russian, there is a phraseology “roaring beluga”, which, however, is not related to this fish and is associated with loud sounds made by a white whale mammal. In the 19th century, two spelling variations of the name of this animal were widespread: “beluga whale” and “beluga”. In modern language, the word "beluga" has only one meaning - beluga fish.
During the turn, beluga whales roar abruptly. This sound resembles the roar of a bull and at the same time the grunt of a walrus. This is where the expression "Roars like a beluga" came from.

[Major Yurik]

Learn, Swedish vocational schools!

[Magic archer]

Good ship! I read that it is one of the few ships of this class in the world who can sail at high speed, breaking the "washboard" effect!

[gav6757]

Making such ships, we ourselves could build the Mistrals, and this is money in the state and jobs ...
The question is the same - why is Sedyukov still at large?

[Magic archer]

because he is from the St. Petersburg team! A raven will not peck out a raven's eye ...

[Andrea]

Yes, because the raven-raven, the eye does not hatch. What do you think, why Vasiliev has not yet been planted, and indeed will they be planted at all?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: gav6757

Making such ships, we ourselves could build the Mistrals, and this is money in the state and jobs ...
The question is the same - why is Sedyukov still at large?

Once again and slowly: the main designer of the "large pots" - Nevskoe PKB - announced that they need 7-8 years from ordering to delivery of the domestic DVDKD. And this is after we had the experience of building part of the Mistral.
Without experience - see the fate of "Gren".

In addition, our design bureaus are trying hard to build ships according to old projects and concepts of the BDK:

All landing ships that we designed can access the unequipped coast. They are able to approach the shore with a certain bias, open ramps, release equipment and fight.

(c) from the statement of the General Director of the Nevsky Design Bureau

And one more thing: there is one small detail - where to build? DVKD is not a corvette.

Earlier, our enterprise created a model of such a ship, which is slightly smaller in size than the Mistral. However, it was not put into production due to the lack of building places.

(c) from the statement of the General Director of the Nevsky Design Bureau

[your1970]

gav6757
because France is one of our serious competitors in the arms trade to the very ears now is in the sewers and nervously smokes. Moreover, I have the feeling that both empires sought this simultaneously

[Aleut65]

For that, these Mistrals are now French for me ... they took ...

[crambol]

Quote: bubnila-xnumx

on the nose "UNION JACK" ?!

On the nose is not the "UNION JACK", but the Russian naval GUYS, i.e. serf flag!

[Mister22408]

Have you started attacking at maximum speed for a long time? Maybe immediately in the surface? Then they would have discovered even faster

[Funnels]

training task “approach the corvette on the maximum speed to the distance of a torpedo attack and use weapons. "If this did not simplify the task of searching and destroying, then honor and praise be given to them. Now let’s drive the adversary in the areas of landfills and not only.

[saag]

Quote: gav6757

why is Sedyukov still at large?

Because Putin appointed him

[DMB-75]

Handsome and on ... I told us these Mistrals, by ourselves we can, even better

[Alexey RA]

Great quote. From the person who ordered critical components for domestic ships abroad - from the GK (Britain) guns and turret support balls (Germany) to the mine-clearance guns (Britain) and turbines (Britain).
"Elbing" and "Pillau" - whose order went to the KhPF? Why weren't they able to finish building the Ishmael?

[sv100year]

Quote: Alexey RA

Great quote. From the person who ordered critical components for domestic ships abroad - from the GK (Britain) guns and turret support balls (Germany) to the mine-clearance guns (Britain) and turbines (Britain).

I don’t remember a single foreign-made artillery system on our ships. In my opinion, both boilers and turbines were built mainly under the license of a Parson, a volcano, etc., and the Ishmaels were not completed due to the events of 1917. Railway transporters.

[yehat]

Ishmaels were not completed for several reasons. delays were caused by the disappointment in the tests of armor protection and the fact that there was not enough capacity for the quick manufacture of artillery. Therefore, we marked out orders in Germany and the United States with the transfer of technical documentation for the best guns in the world (and they remained the best until the 2nd World War) - all the pre-war battleships in the United States were armed with Russian cannons designed for ismail. And only finally did the construction of the Ishmaels finish the entry into the war (lack of will and indulgence in this process is one of the most terrible sins of the king).

[yehat]

it must be understood that at that time the British still remained the benchmark in engines for ships. there is nothing strange in the fact that engines were ordered in naglia

[boris-1230]

This is a Storage loan, if they clamp it, then the interest will be decent! Russia is now in a winning position: they will give the Mistrals - well, they won’t give - even better, they get 2 times more money. And the keeper of the muzzle on the asphalt! A trifle, but nice!
PS Yes, and enriched with technology!

[crambol]

Quote: bubnila-xnumx

on the nose "UNION JACK" ?!

On the nose is not the "UNION JACK", but the Russian naval GUYS, i.e. serf flag!

[andrejwz]

The submarine was assigned the training task “approach the corvette at maximum speed

Well, it’s good that it’s not in a bias position.

[Jovanny]

with their shield they fought off their sword .... the figure will be when they find someone else’s underbody.

[boris-1230]

Quote: Jovanny

when he finds someone else’s scoundrel.

Is this a new kind of sea ship? There are submarines in the Russian Navy, but no sub-markets! We must respect the RUSSIAN language!

[gladysheff2010]

Handsome ship! Well done Baltic!

[alexbobin2012]

Be that as it may, but pride takes its own! "Guarding" and its one-project partners will no longer give anyone the opportunity to roam our shores! Glory to our sailors!

[Roman 1977]

Well, it remains only to find out which diesel-electric submarine discovered the corvette, our only submarine in the Baltic - B-227 "Vyborg", built in 1983, which completed repairs on October 24 (the second B-806 "Dmitrov" built in 1986 or under repair or in reserve).

Solemn ceremony of signing the acceptance certificate - "Vyborg" was returned to the fleet

Diesel-electric submarine B-227 "Vyborg" in the harbor of Kronstadt
Although another submarine-B-471 "Magnitogorsk", which came to the Baltic at the beginning of this year (from April to November 2013, "Lipetsk" visited the Baltic Fleet, in 2012 - the same "Magnitogorsk") could have arrived from the Northern Fleet as well. ...

Large diesel-electric submarine B-471 "Magnitogorsk" pr. 877 (photo from the Baltic Fleet Guardian newspaper)
Although for the purity of the experiment, they could also drive the new project 636 just on tests of the B-237 "Rostov-on-Don" (they plan to hand over on November 25) and the Vietnamese HQ-184 Hải Phòng ("Haiphong") and HQ-185 Khánh Hòa ( "Khanh Hoa").

Vietnamese diesel-electric submarines pr. 636 HQ-184 Hải Phòng ("Haiphong") on tests under the St. Andrew's flag

[Ivan 63]

Probably this is not bad, but it seems to me that in the Baltic it will still be paramount for us, it was and will be, since this is not the fleet at all, at least for purely economic reasons (the NATO fleet will always be more powerful here), but to arm the coastal units to the teeth, so that the "partners" feel a little something with their skin ... it will be cheaper and more reliable. But the fleet is certainly necessary, but in this case it is clearly not dominant.

[Shadowcat]

Well done submarines, now submariners have something to work on) But this war of the sword and shield, armor and projectile is somewhere stronger, somewhere in the loser.

[Wiruz]

The corvette is gorgeous, but ... damn it ... this forever black mainmast .... It certainly does not work on fuel oil?

[sv100year]

Quote: Wiruz

The corvette is gorgeous, but ... damn it ... this forever black mainmast .... It certainly does not work on fuel oil?

The mast is painted in black so that the soot is not visible. Our MRK for the same reason paint the floor of the side in black.

[Wiruz]

the mast is painted in black so that the soot is not visible

They are painted on Daringi (although they do not smoke much), on 20380 they are not. And God forbid they smoke

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Wiruz

He certainly does not work on fuel oil?

Exactly: not on fuel oil! - ON THE COAL !!!

[97110]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Exactly: not on fuel oil! - ON THE COAL

Half a century ago, when the Rechkin fleet parted in the spring in preparation for the campaign of the northern delivery, there was no breathing from coal smoke in the village. Green could yell to tinnitus. And I saw nothing more beautiful than a lightweight tug-wheeled tugboat going at full speed. And slamming tiles, and a beep, and smoke from a chimney that carries parallel to the water ... And the look of a working steam engine ... And a caravan of 10 command barges, with kids on bicycles, clothes on ropes, bearded skippers. I directly remembered my childhood.

[GRIGORIY76]

It looks very, very futuristic!

[masterovoy]

1. The reason for painting the mast and decks in black is understandable - the power plant works unsatisfactorily and emits unprocessed oil, there is something to work on the industry ...
2. Searching for a submarine in a well-known polygon BP, maneuvering along a known route, at high speeds, will not require a lot of intelligence from anti-submarine men, in general, the usual "window dressing" ...

[wanderer987]

The submarine was tasked with the task of "approaching the corvette at maximum speed to the distance of a torpedo attack and using weapons.

A torpedo attack for a submarine at full speed, this is a clear unmasking in front of the enemy, and a deliberate loss of the battle, even launching a training one, is the author of the article mistaken? I do not see any outstanding achievements of the Corvette crew here, it would be very strange if they "slept" the submarine!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: wanderer987

A torpedo attack for a submarine at full speed, this is a clear unmasking in front of the enemy, and the deliberate loss of battle, even letting the training

Mine! I suffered when civilians and landlords (mostly good ones!) Procrastinated this nonsense. But I will tell you, as having taken out a sign of belonging to the Navy’s mine and torpedo service, to the avatar!
Nonsense here is much less than you think.
If the planners could not drive 2-3 PLCs into the sea, (and the task needs to be closed!) They limited themselves to one. And the boat needs to perform BU NT-3 (an attack of an anti-submarine ship with a breakthrough of the PLC formation), then this situation "clumsily drawn" by the journalist is quite possible. Follow:
The boat, heading for the PLC system, the g / a section is minimal. The fact of detection - by changing the nature of the work of the GAS and maneuvering the PLC. With detection - a torpedo salvo at the selected PLC and maximum travel. BUT! First shooting, and then a breakthrough, and not vice versa, like "OPPISAL" a renegade. At full (20,0 knots) underwater, no one shoots: this is not an NK or an anti-ship missile; SAM! and water and THAT! At such a speed, the pressure of water simply pulls out everything, or MOT will not work!
In short, the author heard a ringing, and decided to mix everything up in order to mislead the CIA.
Further, our colleagues ardently discuss the obvious and are happy with their guesses. But they weren't there ... And you ??? like a sailor? or "submariner" ... from the berbaza?
Sorry, I didn’t want to offend.

[wanderer987]

That's right, you wrote, I did not develop this topic! And the breakthrough of defense in this case is "Swan Song" for the PL!

[boris-1230]

Yes-ah! Two "crabs" met ...

[mervino2007]

Boa constrictor KAA (1) "In short, the author heard the ringing, and decided to mix everything up in order to mislead the CIA."

Well, yes, the switchman is to blame. Which is a renegade. And it wasn’t at his house that they talked to him as a specialist, they forgot that he doesn’t know the terms clearly, but the attack technologies at all .... And they also didn’t listen to the note after writing, at least by phone. And who wrote?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: mervino2007

And still did not listen to the note, after writing, at least by phone. And who wrote?

If you are hinting that the navy gave the go-ahead for the publication of such an opus, then I assure you ... this is the free creativity of the author. Not out of malice, but out of ignorance ... A person familiar with the fleet, especially with the underwater one, could not freeze "firing torpedoes at full underwater speed." Then you can say whatever you want ... But the submariner could not admit such heresy to publication. This is my strong opinion.
And in the press service of the fleet today you rarely find a ship, at least in the position of "bull". This makes it possible to professionally correct the scribblers about the navy, who do not care what to write about, if only it was biting.

[YGV-97219]

It seems to me, or have I already heard this information somewhere about a year ago? In my opinion, even here on military review!

[Wiruz]

It seems to me, or have I already heard this information somewhere about a year ago? In my opinion, even here on military review!

In-in! I mean the same!

[kelevra]

Only ours can find their "invisible" boats)))

[PSih2097]

The submarine was given the training task "to approach the corvette at maximum speed to the distance of a torpedo attack and use weapons."

interestingly, and if the corvette was at maximum speed, he would be able to notice DEPL ??? it’s a nonsense, not a doctrine ... DEPL is not intended for catch-ups, for this it has Biryusa (ZM-54E1).

[Barakuda]

God walk with them. Got hooked on the words. 2 months ago, the Dnieper crossed, demolished by 3 km. I thought the catfish will devour. Survived. And I have not met anyone.

[korjik]

Where? I’m 68, near the Dneprodzerzhinsk hydroelectric station.

[boris-1230]

What is the temperature of the water? I swam Biryusu in May, demolished 2 km. I thought I would freeze. Survived. And not a single bear I met!

[smershxnumx]

I don’t understand why to approach at maximum speed ???? Why not at minimum when there is practically NO noise ???? To make it easier to detect ??? Or do not catch up with something ????

[Aibolit64]

This corvette should be trained on bourgeois boats in the ocean.

[TECHNOLOGY]

"Brother-in-law-in-law - sees from afar"! What to admire? Our own must find their own. So somehow. But, do not burn the diesel above-water smoke-mother! Maybe it's time to do something about it?

[grandfather_Kostya]

I alone noticed a discrepancy in the text? Project 877 is "Halibut", the predecessor of 636 "Varshavyanka" project.

[DPN]

Now, if they found the enemy’s boat, it would be very good, they still watch somewhere nearby, and so they trumpeted the whole world what is Varshavyanka? who will buy them after that ??.

[colonel manuch]

The corvette is a beautiful infection !!! I agree that the submarine at full speed will not be able to actually attack (it will simply be found earlier and drowned) The navigator will be able to calculate the "triangle", but not to attack unnoticed.

[Chever]

Oh, more of such ships ...

[Wolka]

handsome "Guarding", now maybe more of such ships to the Baltic, the Black Sea, Vladivostok and everywhere, the Yankees and NATO will die of fear and envy

[trenkkvaz]

If our corvette found this submarine, it means that they will also find enemy ships. Their equipment is no worse than ours in this matter.
So "Varshavyanka" is not so good ....

[ded10041948]

Dear! Correspondents twist everything they don’t touch. Where did you see the corr with a higher naval education? Most likely, it was about the maximum speed at which the desired level of stealth is provided, i.e. somewhere in the range of 4-5 knots, and the correspondent redrawn everything according to his understanding. I'm not a sailor either, so I'm sorry if something happened clumsily.

[Tatarus]

still need to change the rank system. It’s sad to see how the site’s marshals show their unsuitability.

Quote: Thought Giant

Not so she comes out and this black hole.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Exactly: not on fuel oil! - ON THE COAL !!!

Quote: Wiruz

The corvette is gorgeous, but ... damn it ... this forever black mainmast .... It certainly does not work on fuel oil?

Quote: Civil

I don’t even know ... whether to rejoice or to look with reproach.

Quote: saag

Well, it turns out she is not a "black hole", more PR, since the corvette was able to detect it, but what about ships with more advanced hydroacoustics?

Marshals who are too lazy to get into the network. And instead of writing thoughtful and backed up information, they write from the bulldozer. A shame.

[kapitan281271]

But after all, maximum speed is far from the concept of secrecy, or am I mistaken that impression again Pharisaism must be reported what they found and that's it

[imugn]

What is the distance of the torpedo attack? Maybe a boat at such a distance is difficult to detect even at maximum speed?

[asergu]

and how interesting, at a speed of 5 knots, can a submarine approach a ship sailing at a speed of 30 knots?

of course she (the submarine) was walking at high speed

[PSih2097]

Quote: asergu

of course she (the submarine) was walking at high speed

it is only a nuclear submarine, for a diesel-electric submarine the limit is 20 ...

[Dwarfik]

and the corvette is good, and the boats are excellent! Teachings on that and teachings in order to reveal mistakes and not allow in the future!

[AzakajiLegko]

Drag everyone! Here I will upload links to cool products that are allowed to buy with the delivery of the Russian Federation. watch sale speedometer http://youtu.be/aVE0E-mSyfo

[nachprod]

I'll tell you more, when I released this corvette into the sea, we put a cooled chamber for vegetables on the poop, because there is nowhere to store fresh vegetables and fruits in the project 20380 corvette. Everything is so "rammed" there that it's just awful. For initially it was supposed to automate supply systems and an "integrated" modular approach to the picking and delivery of food, but with the arrival of Serdyukovshchina, everything was canceled, therefore, instead of pallets with a set of products, bags and boxes are still shoved there ...

[Mama_Cholli]

The article has a double feeling ...
On the one hand, it's great that the corvette was able to calculate and "destroy" the boat.
On the other hand, it means the boat is not so inconspicuous as it is positioned ...

Pisi: Specialists should now work on this situation to eliminate the shortcomings in finding boats of this type.

[clidon]

Do not worry - if these exercises resemble Soviet ones, then it is already known in advance about where the boat will go, or, for example, the program will put a condition for the "Varshavyanka" to actively search for an enemy submarine with sonar.
In general, ideally, the exercises were conducted so that the top was happy with both submarines and anti-submarine forces. "First, you kill me, and then I kill you!" Now, when the prizes are considerable, the matter is also acquiring a serious turn and I would not be surprised if this is the case.

[Anchonsha]

All Russian weapons must be the best, even our people must be better.... I am proud of those who make such weapons, I am proud of those who are now standing in defense of our country and are not whining that something is wrong. And the bastards who contribute to the 5th column should be driven out of responsible posts in the country.

[renat.004]

It would be correct - a patrol ship, don’t use the classification of enemies!!!

[blind]

soot on the mast worsens the characteristics of the antennas located on it, and our exercises have always gone well, I haven’t heard of them being a failure, but how will he behave with a real enemy?

[Starik72]

I’m not an expert in maritime affairs, I read the comments, write about everything but not about the ship. But I’ll write this: We wish we had more excellent and different ships, because WE are a maritime power. And the corvette, as you can see, is an excellent ship!!!

[kukezma]

Respect and respect to our sailors

[Kemerov]

The mattresses of none of our submarines off their eastern shore are capable of hearing, so everything is relative. I’m a landlubber (scuba gear doesn’t count), but the corvette “Steregushchy” is beautiful and sheer perfection, even taking pride in the designers and factory workers. Such a “space” was made and apparently the best serve on it.

An ugly plane won't fly. (c) Tupolev A.

[RUS33]

Quote: skylare

Our sailors showed their high training again. If the Varshavyanka was discovered, the submarines of the “probable allies” would not hide either. Well done!

They definitely won't hide.
I don’t think they have such ships. It’s not for nothing that they called the submarine “Black Hole”

[Gemini]

Quote: korjik

Where? I’m 68, near the Dneprodzerzhinsk hydroelectric station.

I'm 74 from Lenin Island on the right bank in front of the Zaporozhye hydroelectric power station :P

[Ze Kot]

Quote: skylare

Our sailors showed their high training again. If the Varshavyanka was discovered, the submarines of the “probable allies” would not hide either. Well done!

The submarine crew did a poor job. Or maybe she's not that "Black" after all...

[Vitslei putslei]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

The aft mast on the ships of this project was originally painted black.

I would like to know why it is painted black on the ships of this project? Why, for example, not white? Explain to the fool)

[Valya2013]

--- once again I saw that: the comments here are MUCH more interesting than the article itself)
- I actually talked about this at the very beginning))
- I “registered” here in order to put PLUSES.
(although SOMETIMES it seems to me that some people registered HERE for the opposite purpose - well, it seems to me based on the minuses on SOME comments))

- I’m not talking about REALLY smart (informative) comments for flattery!

(sorry if it seemed like that))

[4445333]

So many comments. And this reminds me of the cavalry and bayonet attack of a German tank group in 1942 under the leadership of K. Voroshilov.

[mivail]

I'm wondering if pin.dos will be able to find the "Black Hole" in the Black Sea, especially if it's there...?

[A_A]

No matter how low-noise the “Varshavyanka” was, here it was given a “unmasking” task, to go at MAXIMUM speed... Perhaps these exercises are just the first stage, but there’s definitely nothing to shout and boast about yet: the task is elementary. If only he had discovered the real “Los Angeles”, let’s say, at a good depth...

[Mastercat]

it seemed to me? or the following is written:
guys, you were looking for a submarine here, it’s there, we found it right away.
keep in mind, in short, that if they found her right away, then yours .. (well .. this word) even more so, if anything.
so we sit on our butts straight, breathe deeply and smile tolerantly. We sit at home, don’t go anywhere.
clear my doubts. :)

[mav1971]

So anyway.
Clean or smoked.

Here it is clean.
http://www.paralay.com/20380/041.jpg
http://www.paralay.com/20380/073.jpg

Here it is slightly smoked.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/editor/assets/new/Soobraz-4.jpg

And here it is uniformly black.
http://www.paralay.com/20380/033.jpg

what is the truth?

[petr28]

everything went great. BUT.??? draw conclusions and take action.

[igor.borov775]

Quote: skylare

Our sailors showed their high training again. If the Varshavyanka was discovered, the submarines of the “probable allies” would not hide either. Well done!

Read it! At full speed, get within torpedo attack range. What do submariners get mistaken for!!! Something doesn’t add up here