Military Review

Russian army masters ATVs

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Airborne troops and various units of other types and types of troops need highly mobile equipment needed to perform various tasks. For example, earlier in many armies of the world used motorcycles equipped with machine-gun armament. In recent years, ATVs have become increasingly common in foreign countries. Such a technique, despite some specific features, can be used with high efficiency for solving various problems.



Russian-Serb anti-terrorism exercises


Not so long ago, the Russian military paid attention to quad bikes. Similar equipment has recently appeared at various exhibitions several times. In addition, several ATVs were used during recent joint exercises held in Serbia and other similar events. According to the “Red Star”, during the recent exercises of the 98 Airborne Division, the reconnaissance of one of the parties, using quad bikes, launched a quick attack and found the conditional opponent off guard. At the same time, the actions of the patrol were so swift that the observers needed an explanation from the training leaders.

Indeed, ATVs are of particular interest to the armed forces, since they can be used to solve a number of tasks. For example, they can be used to support the work of reconnaissance groups in the near rear of the enemy. In some cases, ATVs have significant advantages over the equipment of other classes. They can move freely in the sand, through dense landings, in wetlands, etc. It is noted that due to low pressure on the ground, ATVs can move even along anti-tank minefields. In particular, such an opportunity in the course of recent exercises allowed the reconnaissance patrol to complete the task, since the conditional enemy was limited in its capabilities due to the presence of minefields.

For use in the Russian armed forces are now offered two quad bikes, equipped with weapons and special equipment. Both new developments are being tested and are also being tested as part of an exercise. It should be noted that domestic companies created two military quad bikes at once, which can have positive consequences associated with competition.

The first of the ATVs offered is the Tulchanka. It was this technique that was sent to Serbia to participate in the exercises. The project of conversion of a civilian ATV into a combat version was developed in the Tula TsKIB SOO. As the basis for the “Tulchanka”, the serial civil ATV Stels ATV 600 Leopard ATV, developed by the Velomotors company and manufactured by the Zhukovsky Motor-Building Plant, was chosen. In accordance with the “Tulchanka” project, the base machine receives navigation equipment and weapon installation systems.




The ATV 600 Leopard ATV has a welded tubular frame on which all units are mounted. The car is equipped with a four-stroke single-cylinder petrol engine of cube 594. cm and power xnumx hp The engine consumes petrol with an octane rating of at least 39. Engine torque is transmitted to all four wheels via transmission shafts. The transmission includes a centrifugal clutch and a V-belt variator. To start the engine is equipped with a manual and electric starter.

The wheel running gear of the Leopard ATV is equipped with an independent lever suspension bracket with spring and hydraulic shock-absorbers. The front wheels are 175 mm, the rear wheels are 220 mm. The wheels of both axles have hydraulic disc brakes. Wheelbase - 1365 mm, clearance - not less than 320 mm.

The ATV 600 ATV ATV can be equipped with a satellite navigation system and communication equipment. The front trunk of the base car allows you to carry up to 25 kg of cargo. In the case of the ATV “Tulchanka”, a supporting platform is installed on the front trunk, on which, in turn, the necessary weapon. It is alleged that the "Tulchanka" can carry machine guns, including large-caliber, or an automatic grenade launcher. On the rear cargo platform there is a second mount for weapons.

The crew of the quad may consist of two people. One of them drives the car and controls the front weapon, the second is located behind him and is responsible for the shelling of targets in the rear hemisphere. According to some reports, to protect the crew, the quad is equipped with a special Kevlar tent, which should reduce the risk of people being hit by bullets or shrapnel.

According to reports, the machine "Tulchanka" was created by order of the Airborne Forces. The paratroopers and the commanders of the troops came to the conclusion that such equipment was necessary, which should be used for the rapid transfer of units in cases where the use of armored personnel carriers or vehicles is not justified. Such a purpose allows to put up with the inherent deficiencies of ATVs.

In September, the Tulchanka quadrocycle was shown to Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. The officer and representatives of the army special forces tested the car in the conditions of the landfill and highly appreciated it. Nevertheless, certain wishes were expressed. According to D. Rogozin, the car is too noisy, does not have sufficient protection, and also does not provide the required convenience of the "stern" arrow.

ATVs "Tulchanka" already assembled in series and transferred to the troops. So, in the recent Russian-Serbian exercises, a dozen new machines were used. In total, it is planned to purchase 400 ATVs for the Airborne Forces. In the future, it is possible to purchase a certain number of snowmobiles equipped with special equipment and weapons. They will be used to perform combat missions in the Arctic.

"Tulchanka" based on "Leopard" is not the only option for ATV combat offered to the troops. Of particular interest is similar equipment based on the machines of the Russian Mechanics company (Rybinsk). Rybinsk enterprise presented two so-called trials at once. ATV: PM 500 4x4 and PM 500 6x4. It is known that these machines have already been tested at several ranges of the Ministry of Defense, the results of which resulted in the formation of a list of necessary improvements.

The four-wheeled all-terrain vehicle PM 500 4 x4 is somewhat similar to the ATV 600 Leopard, although it has several noticeable differences. So, the Rybinsk machine has a single-cylinder engine with a volume of 503 cube. cm power xnumx hp The ATV is equipped with two platforms for cargo placement, which can be used both for its intended purpose and for the installation of weapons.

The all-terrain vehicle PM 500 6х4 has a three-axle wheeled part with two driving axles. Changing the chassis design allowed the machine to be equipped with a relatively large cargo area in the rear. In terms of its design, characteristics and capabilities, the PM 500 6x4 is a modified version of the RB 500 4x4 with two additional wheels and a body for cargo. Declared the possibility of transportation to 400 kg of various goods.

Motor-all-terrain vehicles of the "Russian Mechanics" have already been tested at the sites of the Ministry of Defense. The tests were conducted in different climatic conditions, which allowed to determine the strengths and weaknesses of the equipment. According to the test results, a list of necessary improvements was prepared, approved by the General Staff. After correcting the identified deficiencies, all-terrain vehicles can be put into service in order to equip the various units that need such equipment.

Recent ones news about the procurement by the Ministry of Defense of quadrocycles with weapons suggests that the Russian military began to learn from foreign experience. In a number of countries around the world, such equipment is already being used as a vehicle for transporting fighters and weapons in certain conditions. Now it is up to the Russian military to master the new equipment.

For obvious reasons, ATVs “Tulchanka” and other equipment of this class will not replace existing vehicles or armored vehicles in the army. Combat ATVs should complement other equipment and perform certain tasks, the specificity of which prevents the use of vehicles or armored personnel carriers. For example, it can be work in mountain conditions or in sandy areas.

However, the use of new technology, as international experience shows, will be quite limited. With all its advantages in the form of good speed and maneuverability, ATVs and all-terrain vehicles have a significant disadvantage - the inability to provide acceptable crew protection. The architecture itself of this technique does not allow the use of sufficient reservations, since it will negatively affect a number of characteristics. Thus, combat ATVs can be used only in situations where high mobility is required from a vehicle first, and not firepower or a high level of protection.

According to reports, the Airborne Forces plan to acquire four hundred ATVs "Tulchanka." Such a number of new equipment will allow equipping all units that need it. At the same time, however, new ATVs cannot and should not displace other vehicles. Thus, various vehicles will remain the main means of transporting people and goods, and the role of the main vehicle on the battlefield will remain with specialized armored vehicles.


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  1. leron
    leron 18 November 2014 09: 13
    +4
    for Arctic brigades + snowmobiles will quite go.
    1. PAM
      PAM 18 November 2014 13: 19
      +2
      In my opinion, a short-sighted expense of funds (for the Arctic, it’s definitely crap). Patency in it is worthless (higher if compared only to a motorcycle (and even then only if in the mud)); to consider it as a light towing vehicle for light guns is also nonsense; to consider special groups (two people) for nonsense for quick transfer; as a fighting partisan chariot (so it’s hard to get into a hare with a gun 15 meters from it) and the same thing, nonsense; In a word, the downsides of Doher (high price, lack of protection from climatic factors ...), no matter how rude. I agree that for our army you need a light, compact, highly passable, multi-functional and cheap means of transportation, but you should be equipped with such garbage.
      1. PAM
        PAM 18 November 2014 13: 26
        0
        [media = http: //www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-7024.htm]
        here is the best for our climatic conditions, and the possibilities of modifications are simply inexhaustible.
      2. Midshipman
        Midshipman 18 November 2014 14: 27
        +6
        Such ATVs will be good for organizing ambushes. We drove along the trails, quickly blocked the road, detained the enemy until the arrival of the main forces, if necessary - immediately changed position or washed off. Something like a flying squadron)
        1. PAM
          PAM 19 November 2014 12: 52
          -1
          Firstly, there is a better technique in the world for traveling in cramped conditions. Secondly, if you look bluntly at the map of our country without going into details, it clearly shows the grid of a large number of rivers, streams, lakes and swamps, and the quadric does not float. Thirdly, if you take the mountainous terrain, then there is no better transport for moving around the mountains than a horse winked and the quadric is rolly and uphill, it climbs well only if there is a special raking rubber that wears out quickly.
      3. strannik1985
        strannik1985 18 November 2014 14: 35
        +2
        In the SA, motorcycle companies were up to the 80s, 4 platoons of 44 or 46 people, 2 people per motorcycle, AKM and PC per crew.
        IMHO, such a thing is not bad in the composition of the DShCH, for operations from helicopters and for miners, if the patency is normal
      4. FAXI
        FAXI 19 November 2014 01: 36
        +1
        If you had a quad bike and you knew its capabilities, I’m sure you wouldn’t write like that
        1. PAM
          PAM 19 November 2014 12: 56
          -1
          Do you have? and in what conditions (terrain) you move on it, if you are stupidly on pokatushki, then they do not stand close with military use.
  2. Gray 43
    Gray 43 18 November 2014 09: 39
    +4
    Three-axle can carry quite serious weapons, either small arms or MANPADS, platform loading capacity and chassis strength allow, and a diesel engine would
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 18 November 2014 09: 59
      +5
      Quote: Gray 43
      and the engine would be diesel

      If only imported, and this is "not good". So far, we do not produce small-sized reliable diesel engines.
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 22 November 2014 15: 24
        0
        small-sized is what? ChTZ (Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant) back in the 90s developed a diesel engine of 800 cubes for a mini tractor. I heard about the development of 600-sotak for motorcycles
  3. Nitarius
    Nitarius 18 November 2014 09: 46
    +3
    my opinion is FULL complete!
    Return the UAZ or the same LUAZ ... first of all, taking into account Frosts, you will not Scale!
    and you can hide from the winds and Bad Weather. even from precipitation and it’s nice!
    And this is more expensive to fight for yourself!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 18 November 2014 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: Nitarius
      Return the UAZ or the same LUAZ

      To do this, you need to return the Mi-6, and this is currently not possible.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 18 November 2014 10: 31
        +5
        Quote: Spade
        To do this, you need to return the Mi-6, and this is currently not possible.

        It would be more correct to say - not possible. Under Medvedev, the Mi-6 was completely unjustified, in my opinion, taken out of service and sent "for storage." Although the resource of many machines was still decent. And after a couple of years of "storage" they all turned into scrap metal.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 18 November 2014 11: 47
          +3
          Quote: Bongo
          And after a couple of years of "storage" they all turned into scrap metal.

          Yes, they do not know how to store with us.

          It is bad that helicopters in this weight and overall category are not even expected. Gigantomania began to toil.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 18 November 2014 12: 34
      +1
      Quote: Nitarius
      Return the UAZ or the same LUAZ ... first of all, taking into account Frosts, you will not Scale!

      Especially in LUAZ. wink
    3. Messiah
      Messiah 18 November 2014 15: 40
      0
      The RF Armed Forces need a small (commander's?), Made of new, lightweight materials, floating, on (rubber?) BTR-TPK tracks (for 3-4 people), such as "Wiesel"? A couple of them can easily fit into a helicopter! Yes, and on wheels, we do not always and not everywhere go. It will be two times smaller, lighter, more economical and not more noticeable than the "Scorpions-Tigers-Ansyrei"! Smaller means harder to aim and hit! And the mountains? And snow, slush, swamp? There, without "gusli" - no way! Drive on trifles, expensive - BMD \ BMP \ tank? And what about intelligence? And the Airborne Forces - BMD-4 and that's it? And the border guards? And what about the orderlies "in the field"? And "small staff affairs"? Amphibians and TPK - UAZ and LUAZ are no longer in the army! Maybe such a mini-armored personnel carrier (with the ability to convert into a robot or TPK) is more suitable for them - instead of flawed on the battlefield, civilian snowmobiles, "quadrics" and "buggies"? What do they want? Or maybe for each or for two, light, collapsible, landing, four-wheel drive motorcycle, on large "cylinders", two or three wheeled?
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 18 November 2014 21: 53
        0
        Quote: Messiah
        The RF Armed Forces need a small (commander's?), Made of new, lightweight materials, floating, on (rubber?) BTR-TPK tracks (for 3-4 people), such as "Wiesel"? A couple of them can easily fit into a helicopter! Yes, and on wheels, we do not always and not everywhere go. It will be two times smaller, lighter, more economical and not more noticeable than the "Scorpions-Tigers-Ansyrei"! Smaller means harder to aim and hit! And the mountains? And snow, slush, swamp? There, without "gusli" - no way! Drive on trifles, expensive - BMD \ BMP \ tank? And what about intelligence? And the Airborne Forces - BMD-4 and that's it? And the border guards? And what about the orderlies "in the field"? And "small staff affairs"? Amphibians and TPK - UAZ and LUAZ are no longer in the army! Maybe such a mini-armored personnel carrier (with the ability to convert into a robot or TPK) is more suitable for them - instead of flawed on the battlefield, civilian snowmobiles, "quadrics" and "buggies"? What do they want? Or maybe for each or for two, light, collapsible, landing, four-wheel drive motorcycle, on large "cylinders", two or three wheeled?

        We just still did not have enough dwarfs in the army?
  4. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 18 November 2014 09: 49
    +1
    Again, excessive noise from the device! How many decades have we been "fighting" with this - starting with the noise of the T-34, and things are still there. I compared the noise of the Japanese (Chinese) mokik with the noise of the domestic moped - it's just some sort of sabotage! Likewise with the noise of Our helicopters.
  5. StrategBV
    StrategBV 18 November 2014 10: 01
    +7
    It is not clear why the machine guns were stuck, they will only close the view. The ATV is an unstable thing, you can't shoot much from the AGS, and the machine gun is useless on the move a little more than completely. At a distance, too, it makes no sense, the shooter will sit on a "stool" in the middle of the field, so any sniper will remove him, or even cut off with a burst. For Battlefield, this vehicle is just a find, but in reality, a simple ATV is enough, and instead of weapons, let it be better to make cargo containers.
    1. Midshipman
      Midshipman 18 November 2014 14: 34
      +1
      AGS to attack from an ambush, a machine gun to cover from the rear or vice versa.
  6. avt
    avt 18 November 2014 10: 01
    +4
    “Nevertheless, the use of new technology, as the foreign experience shows, will be rather limited. "--------- And it's not even about the lack of booking, which the author complains about. Here's a simple comparison of a motorcycle with a sidecar from World War II - and the crew of three people and the machine gunner are much more comfortable even for work on the move. It is possible to primastyrit, although of course the cross-country ability is not comparable.So how was this joy for one person's pokatushek, it will remain and guess - What 400 scouts will dissect them - in what intelligence? laughing The thrown away money, it would be better to buy some kind of buggy like "Tarantula" that the people of St. Petersburg did, or like the FSB officers - they ordered a small floating pelvis from the Franks with splinterproof armor, on which their legionnaires cut through Africa, if it is so itching to put money into it. pleases - the notorious "Terminator" Rogozin didn’t sniff anyone, it cost only this small, childish joy.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 18 November 2014 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: avt
      Of course cross-country ability is not comparable.

      I do not agree, Ka 700, with a leading cradle, patency, just phenomenal, NIVA, Oise, stood .....
      dirt on the tank, as long as the air is not flooded, in extreme cases, the wing, remove and go ...
      1. avt
        avt 18 November 2014 11: 21
        +2
        Quote: cosmos111
        I do not agree, Ka 700, with a leading cradle,

        I won’t argue, I didn’t compare it in practice, and indeed I rode a motorcycle in Soviet times, but it’s more comfortable in a cradle than behind a rider. And frankly, you need to demand more from four wheels than from two and three.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 18 November 2014 14: 45
          +3
          I compared, an ATV, more prone to tipping over, when cornering than the 3-wheeled Ural or Ka 700, the driving cradle made it difficult, of course, turns (extra load on the steering wheel)))
          and for the army, I agree that 4's wheeled buggies or lightly armored multipurpose armored cars are more suitable ...
          you only need a local reservation, a driver’s command post, mine protection at least from anti-personnel mine-extensions ....
          1. ramsi
            ramsi 18 November 2014 15: 15
            +1
            never drove a quad, but in the Urals it happened; tell me, does the quad behave worse than the Urals in the right turn (why?)
            1. cosmos111
              cosmos111 18 November 2014 19: 39
              0
              Quote: ramsi
              never drove a quad, but in the Urals it happened; tell me, does the quad behave worse than the Urals in the right turn (why?)

              I didn’t think about this question ..... maybe it’s a matter of habit .... right turn to the Urals, there weren’t any problems ..... a little cradle was torn off the ground, see .. on 20-30 and all ......
    2. Midshipman
      Midshipman 18 November 2014 14: 37
      0
      For a buggy you need some kind of road, for example, in a forest, and this one will pass even along a path including mountainous. Armor is nothing to him - this is not a long-term firing point. Its task is to deliver the calculation to the ambush site, shoot until it is discovered, and quickly and quickly change position or make legs.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 18 November 2014 19: 49
        0
        Quote: Midshipman
        . Armor doesn’t need him

        I posted, the minimum local reservation .... the place of the driver and commander ....

        and, that would have traveled everywhere, you need an all-terrain vehicle ((((repeat))) Tr-3 "Cutlet" ... these will go everywhere ... ready-made equipment for special forces and DRGs ... small modernization and buy ... everything has already been developed, brought to perfection good .....
        technologies, industrial small-scale production, are also introduced ...

        клик

  7. new communist
    new communist 18 November 2014 10: 48
    +6
    I rode an ATV this year in Turkey, a cool thing and our army needs it, but it's silly to put a machine gun on an ATV, if it’s so hard to put machine guns on motorcycles with a sidecar in your head. And ATVs are convenient for transporting soldiers with MANPADS and ATGMs to the right places. In general, our army needs lightweight cheap, non-armored equipment almost everywhere. And at the block of posts for vodka, wander around and pick up grub, take the wounded away. In general, the right technique.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 18 November 2014 11: 50
      +3
      Quote: New Communist
      but putting a machine gun on an ATV is stupid

      Why? Removable machine gun, as well as AGS. Quadric allows you to carry a much larger BC.

      But the simultaneous installation of both the AGS and the machine gun is yes, silly.
      1. neznayka
        neznayka 18 November 2014 13: 40
        +2
        Quadric allows you to carry a much larger BC.
        Well, judging by the photos I can not agree with you.
        Almost four years ago, ATVs came to our polygons, though they won’t put them into operation, which doesn’t interfere with using them from time to time (in test mode, so to speak). Yes, it’s convenient and most importantly, the electrician-operator quickly and quickly move to a certain line of 1400 meters, but you can’t put tools, consumables, batteries for target installations and much more - there is no luggage compartment. It turns out that the thing is needed, but without the trunk is useless.
        1. new communist
          new communist 18 November 2014 14: 08
          +1
          You can put a good backpack. At least 40 kg.
          1. neznayka
            neznayka 18 November 2014 17: 55
            +2
            Can. That's just what train level you propose to throw out. Now carefully look at the photo with two scouts on the quadric and imagine that the first has a full, at least 60 L backpack (and not an empty unloading or transport vest), where is the second fighter?
            The AGS kit includes 3 boxes, two are mounted on the sides, the third is mounted on the body, what about this box when it is impossible to install the grenade launcher on the body (in everyday activities this will most often be the case) - also in the backpack? In general, there is much that can be criticized in this particular model, there will not be enough comment. Just while you were riding a quadric in Turkey, I also rode on various units, but in a completely different terrain, as well as in the situation, and for this I imagine what I'm writing about (no offense). Believe the SMALL luggage compartment is a BIG deal.
        2. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 22 November 2014 15: 57
          0
          buy a trunk and put it, they are sold separately, with both rear and front.
          It is necessary not to create, developed in China for tourists, but to create your own, then it will be good. And ATM designs are different, even three-axle dump trucks with a trailer and a passenger seat next to the driver. here at a glance: CFMOTO CF800-Z8 EFI http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/862/ndwu576.jpg
  8. Azim77
    Azim77 18 November 2014 11: 06
    +1
    The idea is good. You can further develop its application. In fact, it is a mechanized horse. You can use the tractor, you can also for courier purposes. Only it would be desirable that he still had at least minimal protection in front. As in the photo, where is Rogozin. But there it is not a shield, it is fixed, but it is necessary to make the same rising and falling on the hinges and turning with the machine gun ..
  9. saag
    saag 18 November 2014 11: 11
    0
    For the third time, these are already being discussed in a short period and will not get better anyway
  10. Igor 069
    Igor 069 18 November 2014 11: 13
    +2
    I think the all-wheel drive motorcycle will be better
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 18 November 2014 12: 35
      -1
      Quote: Igor 069
      I think the all-wheel drive motorcycle will be better

      Worse and permeability, and stability.
    2. Midshipman
      Midshipman 18 November 2014 14: 42
      0
      Perhaps - "like the Urals". You can load 200 kg of ammunition into a sidecar, unlike a quadric, the permeability is not much worse, the stability depends more on the gasket, the track is the same. Instead of a stroller, for example, a two-tier stretcher can be adapted in a sanitary version, etc.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 18 November 2014 16: 17
        0
        Quote: Midshipman
        patency is not much worse

        Urals terrain as an ATV? You are joking?
        Quote: Midshipman
        stability is more dependent on the gasket

        Yeah, three points of support are as stable as four. smile
  11. Raider
    Raider 18 November 2014 13: 16
    +1
    For patrolling, it seems to me more suitable for the military police and border guards. Stock ammunition, food, some equipment. It’s probably not entirely logical to compare with a motorcycle with a sidecar, class one, but the stability is different, the motorcycle doesn’t have words more conveniently on the highway or for escorting convoys, in rough terrain the quadric has more pluses. For the placement of weapons, I see no reason, but for the transportation of weapons and supplies an ideal, lightweight tractor.
  12. Dormidosha
    Dormidosha 18 November 2014 14: 04
    +1
    I agree, It’s very noisy, It’s not very convenient, you can even say it is useless, but if you make it Silent, it’s very suitable for reconnaissance of groups of different branches of the army !!!!!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 18 November 2014 14: 14
      +2
      Quote: Dormidosha
      I agree, very noisy

      Are you talking about Chinese? It's like comparing the noise of our boat "Vortex" with the "Yamaha".
  13. ramsi
    ramsi 18 November 2014 14: 05
    +3
    for one person it’s generally better to have a two-wheeled one with an emphasis on reliability and cheapness, a four-wheeled one should carry a load, and preferably a lying one. Armament - Delirium
  14. new communist
    new communist 18 November 2014 14: 11
    0
    In general, a granotometr from behind is a good idea, just like a modern cart, only the seat needs to be slightly modified, but the machine gun in front is full of crap.
  15. leron
    leron 18 November 2014 16: 11
    +2
    Quote: new communist
    In general, a granotometr from behind is a good idea, just like a modern cart, only the seat needs to be slightly modified, but the machine gun in front is full of crap.

    it remains only to get on the go with this granotomet .....
    1. new communist
      new communist 18 November 2014 16: 19
      +1
      And why on the move, let’s say he jumped out from around the corner of the house, stopped and shot back on gas. quite normal, the carts did.
  16. Denimax
    Denimax 18 November 2014 16: 59
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    Removable machine gun, as well as AGS. Quadric allows you to carry a much larger BC.

    But the simultaneous installation of both the AGS and the machine gun is yes, silly.

    Can I transport, but is it silly to install? Is the installation not transported?
    But transported as an installation is always ready for use.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 18 November 2014 20: 56
      +1
      It is foolish to install both. Separate quadric for a machine gun, separate for AGS. In this case, it will be possible to carry normal BC.
  17. Turkestan
    Turkestan 18 November 2014 19: 14
    +3
    Dear friends.
    Question? for what purposes QUADROCYCLES ARE NEEDED IN THE ARMY.
    For PANTS, for money laundering and the ambition of officials from the army.
    Need a technique to solve high-speed tactical tasks? No problem. To get started, visit the Military History Museum of Armored Arms and Equipment located in the city of Kubinka. Look at what elegant equipment is there, including military, and small, and high-speed. And which, incidentally, meets all modern requirements.
  18. anykind
    anykind 18 November 2014 19: 16
    +1
    It is strange that the engine is not diesel. Everyone abroad is already switching to them, because more economical consumption and burn worse;) What is the point of buying equipment already lagging behind analogues ???
    1. Biggi_2006
      Biggi_2006 19 November 2014 16: 56
      +1
      The low-cube revolving diesel engine is quite capricious, demanding on fuel quality, and with the launch of a guard at all, especially at low temperatures. Without a starter, roughly speaking, do not start a diesel engine or a manual diesel engine. In addition, diesels are much more noisy and have lower power density. They definitely have nothing to do on motorcycles.
      There are diesel quadrics in nature, but they are not in great demand. The insolvency of the fairy tale about the "fire safety" of a diesel engine was completely discredited by practice in 1941 ..
  19. 31rus
    31rus 18 November 2014 19: 38
    0
    The Airborne Forces are needed, not these cars with a motor, but a landing air defense system, "torus", "carapace", in the airborne version
  20. Olegmog
    Olegmog 18 November 2014 19: 58
    +1
    To border guards the most that! The distance between outposts is 40-70km.
    Noise from him no more than from the UAZ, even less!
  21. Throw
    Throw 18 November 2014 20: 04
    +1
    Another quadrowaff))
    The difference with the buggy is small in terms of track and weight; in terms of stability and handling, the buggy is better.
    Kvadr, in general, is a good thing for "fun to ride". But in fields with tall grass - hard, plowed - sentry. And if there is a hole in the grass - through the face. A log in the forest, drag a "stand".
    And who said that cross-country ability is worse? If only in a swamp, but there you also need to carry quadras on yourself. In general, from experience, the cross-country ability of all such devices is determined by the cross-country ability of the "pilot" and the power of the winch))
    In general, they would ride cross-country with UAZ calmly ...
  22. tulaev
    tulaev 18 November 2014 20: 19
    +2
    clinical idiocy ...
    but judging by Rogozin’s PR quadroaff, the scale of the cut is obvious :) and this is instead of creating a TPK corresponding to the 21st century! It’s sad that this picture is NOT surprising.
  23. Denimax
    Denimax 18 November 2014 20: 30
    +1
    Quote: tulaev
    But judging by Rogozin’s PR quadroaff, the scale of the cut is obvious :)

    What is the cut here, this is not Mistral, just a small motopet. And such a small mobility of troops may even be missed.
    Just with large purchases, you must always be careful.
  24. TOR2
    TOR2 18 November 2014 21: 20
    +1
    During WWII, motorcycles were needed and were used quite widely in some troops. And above it was noticed correctly, for an airborne aircraft, a car in the dimensions of a LuAZ would very fit. With a normal approach to business, it will not be difficult to release a civilian version of such a car.
  25. Denimax
    Denimax 18 November 2014 21: 27
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    Quote: Spade
    It is foolish to install both. Separate quadric for a machine gun, separate for AGS. In this case, it will be possible to carry normal BC.

    If the quadrics are traveling in a convoy, then on the first one you can install both a machine gun and an AGS with one ammunition. If he runs into something, he can at least shoot back to the full.
  26. Throw
    Throw 18 November 2014 22: 52
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    can not. if you run into - then the arrows .... q right away
  27. Klim2011
    Klim2011 18 November 2014 22: 53
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    If the driver crashes while driving over rough terrain into an obstacle, then the passenger (with his landing and back height) is guaranteed to have a spinal injury.
  28. arslan23
    arslan23 19 November 2014 08: 04
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    And ours also got to the quadrics. You are not bad if you use it wisely
  29. kontrobas
    kontrobas 19 November 2014 11: 57
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    Absolutely not a smart topic, if only to portray a couple. Such motopedics do not give any advantages other than the speed of movement to infantry, but they give a bunch of minuses. And that advantage is only in flat, less open terrain. A bunch of minuses to list does not make sense - they are obvious. It is even impossible to bring a mortar with ammunition or several grenade launchers on it.

    Another thing is if heavy weapons (heavy machine guns and mortars) could be installed on platforms with such (or approximately similar) mobile-driving qualities. Such a configuration would make it possible to arrange unexpected ambushes of columns and shelling of enemy basing places with the possibility of a quick retreat. The practice of combat (partisan operations) in New Russia confirms this.
  30. Biggi_2006
    Biggi_2006 19 November 2014 16: 51
    +3
    A deep reincarnation of a fascist motorcycle with a sidecar. Such a concept has the right to life, but one cannot expect a miracle from it. We produced a "Dnepr" for the Armed Forces with a leading wheelchair, which is very little different from a quadra in cross-country ability, and even surpasses in stability and safety. The problem is to select the simplest, oak, unbreakable and repairable model
  31. Tilkus75
    Tilkus75 20 November 2014 17: 47
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    Yes, "carts" are in our blood. Give me a separate ATV brigade named after Chapaev.)))
  32. ROMANO
    ROMANO 20 November 2014 23: 52
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    More like an April 1 joke.
    In addition to "stability", "cross-country ability", "carrying capacity", "capacity", the power is rather depressing: from 600 cubic meters it is necessary to remove only 40 hp, it is necessary to contrive, modern Japanese bikes are MUCH more powerful. The reliability of "Stealth" is a separate "song". Assembled from "tea sets", breaks down by itself, with the most careful operation, in civilian life. And how she will behave in "natural" conditions, even to assume is not hunting.
    In short, now, and for the military, a loose toy is available.
  33. Campo731
    Campo731 26 November 2014 04: 41
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    To ride in the desert - get hurt!