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The extremely tough position of the West on Russia, of course, has several dimensions. Reducing it to any one factor is completely unpromising. The position on the new course, declared in 2007 in Putin's Munich speech, posed the problem of confrontation in all possible directions, but it seems that it was precisely the tough response of the West, if it was envisaged, then in an extremely herbivorous scenario. In 2007, at the peak of oil prices with an ever-increasing trend, this could possibly be somehow explained, but already in 2008 a crisis began, which immediately led to completely different scenarios of confrontation.

For the United States, with its abandonment of the strategy of world domination and its replacement with a strategy of world leadership, the question of survival has become the fragmentation of as many countries as possible. If you cannot be strong, you must make everyone else weaker. This is the rationale behind this strategy. The fragmentation of the existing boundaries had to be put on stream.

In fact, the Arab Spring became a creative rethinking of all previous experiments in dismantling different countries - the USSR, Yugoslavia. However, if almost always the fragmentation went along the administrative boundaries and at least somehow, but succumbed to the influence of existing rules and norms of international law, then the precedent of Kosovo, when the collapse of the country went deeper, became very promising from the point of view of US interests. That is why they so fiercely and in spite of everything pushed through the decision to recognize Kosovo - they really needed both a precedent and experience.

Actually, therefore, any processes that, one way or another, but lead to the collapse of existing countries, are in the interests of the United States. The disintegration of Georgia and its formalization through the creation of unrecognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia suited the United States quite well - another country was falling apart, and at the same time an irreparable hotbed of tension arose on the borders of Russia. Most likely, that is why Russia was "released" in 2008 - firstly, the United States did not have the opportunity to somehow obstruct Russia's actions, since its capable army was busy with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Second, the disintegration of Georgia was fully in line with the new US strategy. If there is no difference - why pay more?

The Arab Spring, which is still continuing as aftershocks on the surface of the region, has already produced more than satisfactory results for the United States. Libya has already de facto disintegrated, Yemen is in a state microscopically little different from disintegration. Syria will most likely never be able to reclaim its eastern and possibly northern provinces. Iraq, already degraded after the occupation, has already split into three territories, each of which, by the way, also has its own tendencies towards further fragmentation. Next in line is Afghanistan, in which, after the withdrawal of the NATO contingent, the war between the Taliban and the Kabul authorities will again flare up, which is very likely to again lead to the isolation of the Uzbek and Tajik enclaves. The spread of this process to the north will metastasize in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan. In Turkmenistan, the power of the new president is much weaker than the previous one, and already now there are unpleasant signals from there from the regions bordering with Afghanistan.

Within the framework of such a strategy, the United States would be completely satisfied with the disintegration of Ukraine, especially since this process after the coup d'etat acquired its own internal logic. Russia's involvement in this process gave it a different dynamic, but in no way changed its vector. If Crimea were to become another unrecognized territory, everything would be all right for the US plans. The fragmentation of the world space continues. But then something happened that completely got out of the existing trend. The annexation of Crimea to Russia.

Instead of the process of disintegration, the opposite went - the process of collecting territories. A precedent quite comparable to the Kosovo one - only with the opposite sign. And here it was not just the tactical and local defeat of the United States that was at stake - they would have come to terms with this, just as they would have come to terms with the counter-coup in Egypt. Here the question was put bluntly. Or we, or they. The Crimean precedent had immediate consequences in Donbass - and here everything had to be done to prevent him from being cloned. It is difficult to say what arguments were found for the Russian leadership, but the rapid takeoff in Crimea ended in May with all four feet braking.

The United States will be quite satisfied with the existence of another Transnistria on the border with Russia - and here Kiev has nothing to catch. As long as there is a possibility, he will be twisted his arms in the States and Europe, not allowing him to finally finish off the rapidly degrading territories. But no one will allow Russia to repeat the Crimean precedent - in any case, there is so much at stake that the pressure on us will be completely unprecedented. No one is allowed to stand in opposition to American plans.

The Kremlin, it seems, realized late that it was he who managed to break it, but now it cannot win back with Crimea. Which provides the West with a great opportunity to eventually pit us against Ukraine. However, we will simply not be allowed to join Donbass or demonstrate readiness to join. Up to the threat of war. The fact that in May it was possible to knock down Russia's offensive impulse sharply under the breath gives the West quite serious confidence that its threats look quite weighty.

The Kremlin tried to play counterplay - to give back Donetsk and Lugansk under the guise of our desire for a single, indivisible Ukraine. The Minsk agreements were the first step in this direction. They are considered as a betrayal of Novorossiya, but in fact it took place already in May, so the train has already left. However, Poroshenko's decision to completely cut off any economic activity in territories beyond his control closes Moscow's ability to slowly and gradually roll back in Donbas. The surrender and withdrawal of willful commanders, the transfer of power into the hands of completely controlled local politicians, the introduction of vacationers whose main task is to maintain loyal militant groups rather than fighting punishers - all of this suddenly becomes meaningless.

It is necessary to make a decision right now - to take the territories for its maintenance and finally enter into a clinch with the West or hand them over to the mercy of the winner. At the same time, there is no doubt that even if Kiev regains formal control over these territories, they will become the second Ukrainian Zone, in which life will no longer exist. In it, arrests and executions alone will take several years, and relapses of uprisings will be inevitable for a good decade. So the main task of the United States - the creation of a flaming border of Russia - will be carried out this way and that.

In fact, Poroshenko made a decision that is unprofitable for himself. If, of course, he is considered a Ukrainian politician. But he is an ordinary comprador and colony administrator. Therefore, he made a decision that was dictated to him by the US Embassy. Putin's ultra-cold reception at the GXNUMX summit should show him that it is now his turn to listen to instructions and do the right thing. Obama even threw a "carrot", saying that Russia's withdrawal from Novorossiya would lead to an immediate lifting of sanctions.

It is clear that such a lure from Obama is the Russian nomenclature. For her to push through the presidential door, persuading and threatening Putin to obey. It is clear that Obama will not fulfill his promise even in the event of Putin's complete surrender, clinging to something insignificant. Again - solely as pressure on the Russian compradors, explaining to them - it's all Putin's fault, here's him. It would be a sin to miss such an opportunity, here you can understand Obama.

In fact, the question now arose before the Russian authorities - to continue to bend or to rest against the wall, to which we were almost pressed. And no one will give an answer to this question, except for her. It is absolutely pointless to assume, predict or guess here.
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  1. viktor52
    viktor52 17 November 2014 06: 12
    +5
    An incomprehensible and stupid article, but if you come from the name of the author, then everything converges.
    1. makst83
      makst83 17 November 2014 07: 06
      +2
      Tolik Nesmiyan is trying to prophesy again! laughing
    2. Messiah
      Messiah 17 November 2014 14: 43
      +1
      Unfortunately, today the scenario of creating a new, last segment of the international financial system, the so-called "third circuit", has begun to be realized. According to the creators, it should, finally, close all participants in financial and economic activities on Earth to a single Control Center, making the dream of "behind the scenes" - the creation of the World Government, and global slavery - a reality. Before our eyes, there is a process of deception and "divorce" by the Rothschilds and the Chinese, the leadership of Russia and the BRICS countries, under the shouts of the creation of a system independent of the dollar, in fact, the idea of ​​a "new reserve currency" is being dragged through, according to the actual "franchise from the FRS!" will allow you to "loop the dissatisfied", creating in them the illusion of independence, while having in their hands one more printing press for money! "Give me the opportunity to print money - and I don't care what laws you pass!" Have you forgotten? This is exactly what one of the Rothschild clan said, and the new BRICS Bank is already being created on their terms! China and the Rothschilds (and ultimately the "behind the scenes" behind them) will again have a multiple advantage! Also, to complete this process, a referendum "on independence" was organized in Scotland, where more than 10 trillion rubles were already pumped "quietly". Doll.! And they continue to pump, very temptingly raising the rate of the "independent Scottish pound" or any "Catalan centime", to devalue their debts and assets of the "rest". The point will be the Golden Yuan imposed by the BRICS, and the final chord will be a sharp rise in the value of gold, every 5-10! only “their own” will survive, the debts of the “good” will be zeroed, while others ... (as in Russia in 1998) will have problems, and our billionaires, most likely (they overthrew Putin badly!) .. millionaires.
      1. Messiah
        Messiah 17 November 2014 14: 50
        +1
        Gentlemen, do you want a new fair global financial system? Then equal participation and transition to direct international clearing (settlements) without reserve currencies !! Create a system aimed at the benefit of everyone and based on the value of a Human! On the same principles for everyone! Was Putin also brainwashed? Quite possible! How else to explain Rosneft's purchase of TNK-BP and British Petroleum's receipt of 20%? And what about the talk about selling Surgutneftegaz there, and part of Gazprom? And what about 250 signed projects for China? And what about the project to increase the participation of foreigners in the authorized capital of strategic companies? And what about the drafts of the new Labor Code? And the prepayment for housing and communal services? And what about the extravagance of our Government in the economy? And what about the “stray from the hands and the shore” - the Central Bank? And the laws that allow you to take the last away from a person? Is this another gift to the Rothschilds? Or the IMF, the Rockefellers? Or to whom? And in fact, "them" and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation spitting on the needs of Russia? Why are these preferences? For getting "immunity"? For "international status"? For what? "Personal safety"? May this never happen! Look what is happening, again "tension" is being created for Russia in order to force Putin to sign the necessary papers as soon as possible! Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine, downed BOEING, sanctions and "deceiver" Obama, and "inconsistent" Mrs. Merkel, "evil" Cameron - all these are elements of pressure !, they all do and "sing" - in one scenario! Make it so that people themselves do what you need! Isn't that wonderful? Remember what happened 100 years ago? Did Nicholas II receive what they promised? No! And Gorbachev? NO! Where is Hussein? And what about Gaddafi? They were promised the same! Do you want status and security? - So take it and create it yourself! Like Stalin! Without them! Do not believe them, when you complete the "task", they will destroy you! They do this always and with everyone! What papers? What words? Guarantees? Yes, you are not people for them! “NON-Democrats!” You are GOI! And that means - "defective", worse than cattle! Gentlemen, open your eyes, you are being bred to "sucker"! There has never been a real struggle between the Rockefellers, the IMF, the Rothschilds (Obama is their shot!) And other 368 families of "secret rulers"! They are the Left and Right Hands of one Body with one Head! Their task is to create the illusion of a struggle, so that having received what they want, it would be more convenient to destroy all witnesses and applicants!
  2. ZKB
    ZKB 17 November 2014 06: 19
    +1
    In fact, the question now arose before the Russian authorities - to continue to bend or to rest against the wall, to which we were almost pressed. And no one will give an answer to this question, except for her. It is absolutely pointless to assume, predict or guess here.

    Dear, Russia has another choice ... BEND YOU OR PUT YOU TO THE WALL.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 17 November 2014 10: 19
      +3
      Something doesn’t look like someone is bending someone or putting them against the wall. Liberals freely frolic in the cities, passers-by with smiles pass by. The central bank, under the leadership of outright traitors, is destroying the economy, citizens willingly inform each other that this is another wonderful HPP, and something like that should have been done for a long time. In Ukraine, everyone is also in euphoria from the achievements achieved, and the crowd also sincerely believes that if they want, they can hang someone or put them against the wall. And the fact that, from the outside, everything looks absolutely not so everyone is actively ignoring. Don't make the same mistake.
  3. Don Cesar
    Don Cesar 17 November 2014 06: 25
    0
    in my opinion it is smoked now stands like a horse in a mating position
  4. Nitarius
    Nitarius 17 November 2014 06: 26
    +2
    ))) the problems are described in the article! but we already know them!
    but with regards to -SHANE and GIPS remove the patient left us)))
    I'm not sure that NOVOROSSIYA was handed over!
    Russia is partly PROFITABLE to put its Economy on a different rails - turn away from the West!
    The GDP is much smarter than it is believed! The more and longer the BARDAK will stretch in UKRAINE .. the more time we will have to press OUR fifth column and expand the economy, and EVEN there will be TIME TO CREATE THE NATIONAL payment system!
  5. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 17 November 2014 06: 33
    +4
    you can’t roll back! you can’t betray people who believe in RUSSIA! we need to push the usa .. they have an inflated margin of safety .. we must use against them the same dirty information technology as they are against us .. there is no time for white gloves .. this is a war on survival of systems ...
  6. Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 17 November 2014 06: 38
    -4
    Did not understand. Why does the United States need to split large states into small ones? Is their game like that? Chaos theory? On "VO" and other resources, there have already been many assumptions about the intentions of the United States around the world. But what is the benefit of the United States? It is not clear from the article, but on some resources they generally write that reptilians seized power in the United States.
    The actions of the Americans against Russia are more or less clear why they need another competitor in the world who can "shake their hands." Oil? But if you believe the Americans themselves, it is also not relevant, they have a shale revolution. Probably only psychologists with psychiatrists can explain.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 17 November 2014 07: 16
      +3
      Quote: Hell Angel
      Why does the United States need to split large states into small ones?

      Because small states are easier to control.
      1. Hell's Angel
        Hell's Angel 17 November 2014 08: 56
        0
        Canada, Germany, Australia don't seem to be small.
        1. andrejwz
          andrejwz 17 November 2014 09: 32
          +1
          Quote: Hell Angel
          Canada, Germany, Australia don't seem to be small.

          Until this year, Ukraine was more satisfied with us as a whole.
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 17 November 2014 10: 14
          +1
          Quote: Hell Angel
          Canada, Germany, Australia don't seem to be small.

          Canada and Australia are still colonies, no matter how they puffed up. And Germany is an occupied state.
        3. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 17 November 2014 10: 24
          0
          Quote: Hell Angel
          Canada, Germany, Australia don't seem to be small

          This is because they lick the right ass, as soon as they start licking the wrong one, they will go under the knife very quickly. In all countries now there are groups of separatists, just somewhere they are not given free rein, but somewhere they have already been let loose.
  7. viruvalge412ee
    viruvalge412ee 17 November 2014 06: 53
    +1
    The article is good, it seems to reflect the essence of the matter. There is nothing to guess! It is necessary to strengthen to the limit, hammer, finish off and frighten this pack of jackals, separating them, too, only if the opportunity arises.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 17 November 2014 14: 30
      0
      It would be necessary to annex the LPR and DPR to the Russian Federation within the current borders. You just need to choose the moment when it will be colder, for humanitarian reasons to provide full assistance to the population and its rescue. Guided by the principles of international law, the human right to life, etc. etc.
  8. muks
    muks 17 November 2014 06: 55
    +2
    The author does not know that the precedent law has NO RELATIONSHIP to the RUSSIAN FEDERATION? We have Romano-Germanic law ... and it is not possible, according to some "precedent", perfected by anyone, to convince our people that ... some "tolerance" is a "blessing and product of civilization", and not a sign of cerebral impotence ... That it is permissible to attack the WEAKER! That Gaidar's mercantile model is solely for the good, and not cheating and corruption and credit degradation! That the words "consumer" and "philistine" that have appeared in everyday life are not abusive words! That the first to be put on a stake is not a redhead with a muzzle, but the Ministry of Education in full force, and only then .. "In fact" there is always a question for the POWER - at present it is obvious that gradually, on the sly, backward and looters from higher authorities. .. go away. That there is power in Russia at the present time! And she will not dance after giving in to her elections!
  9. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 17 November 2014 06: 58
    0
    This is personally for the author of this article, as I understand it, he offers to stand against the wall, well, try it ... together with yours .... just these tips and views, and even more so the words of the author- [we have already been pressed [ - who are we? ...
  10. Finches
    Finches 17 November 2014 07: 08
    +2
    I don’t understand! laughing
  11. Flinky
    Flinky 17 November 2014 07: 21
    +2
    Stop publishing this nonsense called Elmuridism! There was nothing more to publish, or what?
    Minus article.
  12. SveTok
    SveTok 17 November 2014 07: 40
    +2
    It's time to stop liberalizing with Poroshka, he is the same Peacemaker as Obama.
  13. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 17 November 2014 07: 43
    0
    Another newly-minted Napoleon playing into the hands of the enemy, maybe enough provocative nonsense?
    1. Sergey Krymsky
      Sergey Krymsky 17 November 2014 14: 46
      0
      http://kotbayun1965.livejournal.com/423918.html Здесь об "авторе" этого бреда. После марта-апеля с.г. стал чаще заглядывать в профиль авторов ( искать данные о них ). Ибо слишком много развелось севастопольских дочерей офицеров. "Зри в профиль" и делай выводы ( если есть чем ). А по статье: бред страждущего по госдепу, т.е.- ГоВно.
  14. Loner_53
    Loner_53 17 November 2014 08: 11
    0
    remove the troll from the VO am
  15. alicante11
    alicante11 17 November 2014 08: 55
    +1
    Hmmm, Mudrit ibn Nesmiyan was lying at all.
    This is necessary, "the Kremlin tried to return the Donbass." This is probably why they drove the dill all the way to Mariupol and boiled it in boilers. And everybody tries and tries and tries and tries. And these bastards, all do not take and do not take and do not take and do not take. It is a pity that this journalist is rubbing around the IIS.
  16. USSR-2.0
    USSR-2.0 17 November 2014 09: 38
    +4
    The real 5 column works clearly:
    Libya:
    Anatoly Nesmiyan gathered an audience for a long time during the conflict, supporting Colonel Gaddafi. But ... at the time of the assault on Tripoli, Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan turned 180 degrees sharply, and began to call the situation in Libya not an intervention of the West, but a civil war, where Gaddafi himself was to blame.

    Syria:
    Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan initially gathered the audience, supporting Assad. But then, when Syria had a difficult moment, Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan turned on the record "Assad is a bloody criminal, Assad must leave."

    New Russia:
    Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan initially gathered an audience, supporting Novorossiya and the Kremlin's decisions. And then, when a turning point began in our country, and the Ukrainian units began to fall into the cauldrons, Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan began to write in every article "Putinsil, putinpredal." I think many people appreciated one of the articles of el-murid, when, completely unexpectedly, absolutely illogically, he began to blame Novorossiya and Putin. Why? Because he was given an order.

    Take a closer look, el-murid triggers the idea of ​​"putinslil" when we have a positive tendency in opposition.

    Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan has never served in the military or special services, as he sometimes lies. Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan has never been a military analyst, he has no military education.

    Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan is always paid for this "180 degree turn" when he gains an audience and then turns the publications back to what he wrote for a couple of months. This is his bread.

    He is a bad analyst. But he knows English well - and does not hesitate to reprint English-language articles.

    His toothy lapdog under the nickname ani-al and the status of a wife type does not have independence. All these tales, that she herself throws herself at people, and Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan has nothing to do with it - this is a lie. This madam is hysterical, but dependent. When she hunts someone, it is done on the direct orders of el-murid.

    As far as I know, Musin threw out Nesmiyan for lying and petty dirty tricks of Anatoly "el-murid".

    Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan has only one criminal case in his entire life. For fraud. He sold beer and figured out a way to chemically convert cheap light beer into expensive dark beer. This is what he is all about, Anatoly "el-murid" Nesmiyan.
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 November 2014 10: 46
    0
    My comment disappeared strangely. I'll try to recover from memory.

    The Kremlin, it seems, realized late that it was he who managed to break it, but now it cannot win back with Crimea. Which provides the West with a great opportunity to eventually pit us against Ukraine.

    I disagree with the author. Does E. Murid naively think (it is hard to believe) that all pros and cons were not analyzed before making a decision on Crimea. I think that the analysis was profound and of course the West's response was played out.
    The author wanted both yours and ours, but it turned out as always.
    1. dmb
      dmb 17 November 2014 12: 50
      +1
      And you can find out the course of your thoughts, because "I think" is not a strong argument. I think that El-Murid is partly right. We are defending ourselves, and the enemy is imposing the situation. Of course they do. But it is one thing when you have to think in advance, and quite another when in the course of the play. Imagine for a moment that the authorities would refuse to accept Crimea as part of Russia. In the country today there could be a President with a different surname, and a state. property would not be owned by the Ozero cooperative. Who benefits from the war in Donetsk and Lugansk? Well, not at all for us. So far, the Americans are making the most of it. Our Ukrainian "brothers" are destroying the infrastructure. and we will restore it, at our own expense. The activity with which the shelling is being conducted speaks of only one thing; neither people nor territory is interesting to the West, and it is not going to restore the economy of Novorossiya. Yes, Russia's international prestige is good only according to the official media. One could spit on him, but on one condition. Whenever the opinion of the opponents' power structures about the country does not coincide with the opinion of the people. When the USSR existed, its idea was attractive to the popular masses of other states, which forced the authorities of these states to listen to their demands. And what advanced ideas does Russia carry today? How Gref differs from Rothschild, and Yakunin from Ford? So the West is on a horse and will be on it as long as we have the same social order as now, that is, capitalism.
  18. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 17 November 2014 11: 09
    +1
    Quote: makst83
    Tolik Nesmiyan is trying to prophesy again! laughing

    Something with my eyes ... read "under ... chit" ...
  19. Gomel
    Gomel 17 November 2014 14: 12
    +1
    el murid panics as always

    wait, modern wars are like that - they quickly flew in, bombed and that's it ... but here (in Eastern Europe) it never worked out that way. wait
  20. Aibolit64
    Aibolit64 17 November 2014 14: 32
    +1
    Contract article full of contradictions and far-fetched conjectures that the author is trying to pass off as facts.
  21. sanyavolhv
    sanyavolhv 17 November 2014 18: 48
    0
    health
    in my opinion the article is normal. whoever wrote it, it contains information. information can be used. if someone doesn’t know how to do this ... well, sorry, these are your problems. although the author is not always right. you don’t need to evaluate the whole article by a couple of words like merged Novorossia ... until no one drains it and going as I understand it.
  22. Tribuns
    Tribuns 17 November 2014 21: 05
    0
    It would be nice in "VO" in the "My opinion" section to publish a competent and capacious description of the portrait of El-Murid, showing his "true face: either friend, or enemy, or so ..." We are waiting for an authoritative author who can do this ... And, this must be done quickly, so that "this fine gentleman" does not bring confusion into the souls of gullible people ... And who will be this author! Oles Buzina, Alexander Prokhanov ... We must find the author!