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Capital gain and innocence abide


The infinite uncertainty with the delivery or non-delivery of a universal Mistral-class amphibious assault ship (UDC) built for the Russian Navy to Moscow began to turn into an unpredictable political thriller with serious image losses for the international reputation of Paris.

Judge for yourself. A few days ago, the leadership of Rosoboronexport, the same organization that on behalf of our country signed a contract with the French state corporation DCNS for production for the domestic Naval fleet two ships of the Mistral type, was officially invited on November 14 to the Chantiers de l'Atlantique shipyard in Saint-Nazaire. For the solemn transfer to the customer of the first ship "Vladivostok" and presence at the launching events of the second hull with the name "Sevastopol". A photograph of this invitation with a list of events to be held on the occasion at the company was posted on Twitter by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.

But then, apparently after a call from the Elysée Palace, a representative of DCNS Corporation stated that no delivery date for Russia of these ships was “currently determined”, and official information can only follow from the leadership of France.

At the same time, the French shipbuilding corporation DCNS dismissed Yves Destephanis, responsible for the Mistral supply project for Russia, who, on behalf of the company, sent an invitation to Moscow to the transfer ceremony of the first UDC. It allegedly happened “because of a violation of corporate ethics by an official”. They say that an employee of the corporation acted on his own, without having received from the company's management a clear reference to sending such an invitation (a strange explanation: how can an invitation be printed in a printing house, without having received management approval for this?! - V.L.). In the French media in those days, there were quite a few messages in which it was noted that the DCNS invitation sent to Moscow “complicated the already difficult problem of supplying Russia with Mistral to France and“ clearly caused great irritation at the Elysee Palace ”.

HARD CHOICE

In the palace, they are in no way determined with the decision whether to transfer the Russian helicopter carrier or not to transfer. Even 1 of September, the French Foreign Ministry confirmed "the immutability of its position regarding the supply of dock ships of the Mistral type." Yes, and President Hollande on the eve of this date, told reporters that "the delivery could not be disrupted by this ship": "Russia paid."

Then, literally three days after the Fifth Republic’s Foreign Ministry report on the fate of the Mistrals, on the eve of the NATO summit in Wells, the same Hollande first stated that his country “at the moment” is not ready to hand over the first of the ships to Russia in the south-east of Ukraine. Experts say that he did this only in order not to spoil relations with NATO allies and not to be criticized at a meeting with colleagues from the United States, Great Britain, Poland and the Baltic countries for their willingness to fulfill the contract with Russia. It is known that a group of American Democratic congressmen have repeatedly appealed to the NATO Secretary General, first to Anders Fogh Rasmussen, and now to Jens Stoltenberg, with a proposal to convince Paris of the need to abandon the deal with Moscow and acquire warships for the needs of the alliance itself. The purchase of Mistrals, they argued in a letter, would send Russia a "strong signal" that "the NATO allies would not tolerate its irresponsible behavior" towards Ukraine.

It is interesting to note that the NATO press service stated that the alliance did not put pressure on France when deciding on the Mistrals. And the well-known US State Department spokesman Jen Psaki even welcomed the statement by French President Francois Hollande to suspend the contract for the supply of helicopter carriers to Russia. “We think this is a wise decision ... We support this decision,” she said.

Understanding the leadership of France, or rather its president Francois Hollande is easy. On the one hand, the trade unions of the shipbuilders and the contractor company STX itself, which is engaged in the DCNS corporation, including the production of ship docks, put pressure on it - the work is finished, you need to free up space on the stocks for new orders, if they appear. In addition, there is a threat to run into penalties for a broken contract for the supply of helicopter carriers to Moscow. Plus, you will need to return the payment for the outstanding order, and this is 1,2 billion euros, which have already been spent on other orders. And it’s also realistic to lose the image of a country capable of fulfilling its obligations under an agreement on military-technical cooperation with foreign countries. On the other hand, there are repeatedly voiced demands of Washington and the US allies in NATO, especially from the Baltic countries, to deny Russia, as a “direct participant and responsible for the events in Ukraine,” to transfer helicopter carriers and even sell these ships to some other country.

FALSE OF POLICY

The situation is aggravated by the fact that the contract for the construction of two Mistral-type dockships for Russia plus an offset for another two such UDCs was signed on the initiative and with the direct participation of the previous French President Nicolas Sarkozy. He then sought orders for shipbuilders who were threatened with unemployment, and now he is back in the political struggle and wants to replace Hollande in the Elysian Palace. At the first opportunity, he publicly criticizes his rival, calls him a liar. Recently, for example, as the Parisien newspaper writes, speaking at a rally in the city of Nancy as part of the campaign for the post of head of the Union for a Popular Movement party, Sarkozy said before two thousand people gathered that for two and a half years the lie in the country was erected in political principle. Which, in his opinion, led to a weakening of the Republic and democracy. “Francois Hollande is deceiving in the morning, in the afternoon and even in the evening,” said Sarkozy under the approving shouts of those present. In his opinion, the current French president suffered defeat after defeat since taking office.

Now it turns out that, by deciding to transfer Mistral to Russia, Francois Hollande will play into the hands of Nicolas Sarkozy - willy-nilly he will support his decision to conclude a contract with Moscow for the construction of warships for her. But he will refuse to transfer - it turns out that, among other things, he is petty for his predecessor, causing financial and image damage to both France and its shipbuilding corporation DCNS. And this fact, replicated by all the media in the country and the European Community, will be an additional argument for Sarkozy in the political struggle for the presidency of the Fifth Republic. Here you will inevitably break your head from solving this problem.

MOSCOW EXPECTS

At the same time, which is striking, Russia in no way demonstrates its concern over the delay in the transfer of the first of the two UDC to it. No political statements addressed to France and its leadership are heard either from the Kremlin, or from the Ministry of Defense, or from the General Staff of the Navy. Russian sailors, numbering 360 people plus 70 instructors, are in Saint-Nazaire on the Smolny training ship. Every morning they climb aboard the Vladivostok and, according to the previously adopted and approved regulations, are engaged in their professional training at the combat posts determined by them. At the end of the day, after the end of the training, they come back or remain on duty, or a combat watch, as the sailors call it, on the bridge or in the engine compartment of the helicopter carrier. Nobody gave the teams to go home to St. Petersburg.

In the Ministry of Defense of Russia, acting as a helicopter carrier customer, Mr. Hollande’s statements are calm. “We do not see this tragedy, because this contract is beneficial primarily for the French themselves,” said Deputy Minister of Arms Yuri Borisov. “We considered them reliable partners, and this situation is unpleasant and imposes a certain amount of tension in interaction with them.” He added that in the event of failure to supply ships, the Russian military will act in strict accordance with international law and the terms of the contract. “In case of refusal to supply ships, France risks losing not only money, but also the face,” said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the defense industry complex of the Russian Federation.

In the independent Russian press (including the “NVO”) it was repeatedly asserted that the “Mistral” had nothing to do with the Russian Navy. For these ships, which are intended for expeditionary operations in warm seas, no such tasks are written in the domestic military doctrine. Russia, unlike France and its other allies in the North Atlantic Alliance, does not intend to land on foreign shores to establish its own rules there under the flag of the struggle for democracy and human rights. Moreover, the UDC, built in Saint-Nazaire, is only a semi-finished product - there are no serious anti-aircraft or anti-ship weapons on it that will need to be installed at the shipyards in St. Petersburg ...

But official Moscow keeps endurance and patience.

MONEY APPLICATION WILL BE

Viktor Ozerov, Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, believes that if we talk about the possibility of contract breakdown, the money returned for Mistral, including penalties, Russia will direct to the implementation of a number of positions within the state defense program. He stressed that there is no accurate expert opinion on whether the Russian Armed Forces really need these helicopter carriers. To some extent, this suggests problems with determining the long-term needs of the Navy and the parameters of shipbuilding programs.

“Even before the conclusion of this contract, there was a wide discussion among the Russian military about whether Russia needed such ships,” says the senator. “It is possible that the top leadership of the Ministry of Defense, which was focused on the purchase of foreign military equipment, simply succumbed to the persuasion of the French side.”

The 36 months during which the first Vladivostok building was to be built under the contract ended this November. There is still play in two months. And after the New Year holidays it will be possible to put the question squarely - yes or no. Fulfills Paris its obligations or refuses them.

Talking about the fact that in connection with the events in Ukraine for the transfer of the ship "no favorable circumstances have developed" or a reference to the sanctions adopted against Moscow by the European Union will not be taken into account. The civil war in the Square, to which Russia, unlike the United States and the same European Union, has no direct relationship, is not a natural disaster and, in the form of force majeure, cannot be taken as an argument by any independent international court. Moreover, such circumstances were not provided for in the contract. And France will have to pay the bills. And not only currency.

The most important thing is that Paris and the President of the Fifth Republic, Francois Hollande, will demonstrate to the whole world that they are not masters in their own country. Their sovereignty and independence today is only a slogan, a fiction, loud words recorded in the Constitution and stamped on the Arc de Triomphe in the Place Charles de Gaulle. There is nothing behind them - one air. Decisive for France decisions are made not in the Elysée Palace, but in Washington and Brussels, where everyone, roughly speaking, on the drum, is beneficial to France, its producers and its people, whether it corresponds to its national interests or not. In the first place for the United States and NATO are their own ambitions - the desire to assert itself as the only world center of power and the desire of those who disagree with such an approach to the issue to punish one way or another. And for this, such “sacrifices”, as the authority of one of the largest European powers, mean nothing.

Events around the Mistral-type UDC contract willy-nilly went beyond Russian-French relations. For some reason, it didn’t matter whether Moscow received the order it had paid for or not, demanded a fine and a penalty from Paris, or only returned its money. The helicopter carrier built for the Russian Navy suddenly became a test for French sovereignty and independence. It seems that the founder of the Fifth Republic, the great son of France, General Charles de Gaulle, who, by the way, refused to participate in the military organization of the North Atlantic Alliance, so that under no circumstances would he sacrifice his country's freedom of choice and independence, he is now turning in his grave , in which the current head of the Elysian Palace has driven his country.

But there's nothing you can do. Not every French president can reach the level of General de Gaulle.
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  1. Demetry
    Demetry 15 November 2014 18: 11
    +23
    The mass of paper written about the transfer of the Mistral probably already exceeds the mass of the Mistral itself crying
    1. Civil
      Civil 15 November 2014 18: 16
      +14
      And let the one who initiated the purchase out of his pocket pay, first, let him return the secretly received star of the hero, or his lover will give the kilogram a gold coin to the state ?!
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 15 November 2014 21: 53
        +8
        Yes, if both of them are planted with confiscation of all property, then the cost of prepaying Mistral will more than overlap. We should have already demanded money back, invested in the victory and development of Novorossia and launched the former Soviet shipbuilding factories both in Russia and in Novorossia to the fullest. After all, how many invaluable specialists languish without work. And yet not old. Could still serve the Fatherland. We would build a hundred times cooler ships than these Mistrals.
        1. creak
          creak 15 November 2014 23: 54
          +4
          [quote = Svetlana]. After all, how many invaluable specialists languish without work. And yet not old.

          I would like to note that the situation is exactly the opposite - there are just not enough qualified specialists and all the available shipbuilding capacities are loaded to capacity for several years ahead, so that no one languishes from idleness, do not worry ... This, by the way, was noted by Putin being at the Zvezda shipyard - in the Far East, there are not enough specialists for the new shipyards being built ...
          And the practice of ordering warships and civilian ships abroad existed both in tsarist Russia and in the Soviet Union - ships before the Second World War were designed and built for the USSR even in Germany and Italy ... Recall who was in power in those countries in those years ... Our leaders were not afraid then to lose their ideological virginity ...
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 17 November 2014 13: 06
            0
            Sorry, but "to failure" - you went too far. look at the sites of shipyards how many areas are rented or put up for sale. But they were once built in the USSR for the full operation of these enterprises. And now, it turns out, they have become superfluous. What were their fools building? This is me about the Russian SZ. And if we talk about those who are on the territory of Novorossia, then there is nothing to say about them at all. There are no words except mate. If something is produced somewhere, it is only for export.
      2. abdrah
        abdrah 16 November 2014 11: 58
        +4
        "... he will pay out of his pocket, for a start, let him return the hero's star secretly received, or his mistress will give the gold kilograms of gold to the state .."
        -Do not be an idealist, if one "pay" and "return" one then the other will have to stop protecting gambling establishments, the third will have to close the "fur store" and so on ad infinitum, and there are also gifted children ...
        Here, 37 years, the only way out is for officials to wake up in a cold sweat and piss from a late doorbell, bastards!
    2. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 15 November 2014 18: 28
      +4
      Or maybe it's not about politics, but about money? Maybe Sarkozy got a dear little money, but Olanda is envious, so he extorts a rollback? Or a prize from Yusoftsev?
      However, this is also politics.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 15 November 2014 18: 59
        +11
        Quote: DanSabaka
        Or maybe it's not about politics, but about money?

        Whether the Mistrals are handed over or not - it doesn’t matter anymore, France lost in any action!
        The policy of the "corrupt woman" of the French president will cost the country dearly !!!
    3. vodolaz
      vodolaz 15 November 2014 19: 33
      +3
      France will not be envied: they won’t give up the Mistrals, they will have to pay money and cut ships to return our unit to us. The mattress covers will be given away and devoured, because the current leadership has no political will.
    4. Denis fj
      Denis fj 15 November 2014 19: 49
      +6
      The Hollande government would probably be happy to send us to the figs with the Mistrals and support the policy of continuous pressure on the Russian Federation, but there are nuances. Firstly, the Mistrals already exist, and if you do not give them to the Russian Federation, then you need to put them on your balance sheet or dispose of them. Both are quite expensive. NATO, as we already know, does not want to help them with this. Secondly, not to give up Mistral - to get serious internal problems in France. At one time (2010-2012) this order actually saved from the closure of the Saint-Nazaire shipyard, where no good orders were expected. Refusing to cooperate on the Mistrals with the Russian Federation for France today is to get hundreds of dismissed proletarians who will gladly walk to the Elysee Palace and take Hollande out of there. France is not Russia, the opinion of the proletarians there means something to the president. Yes, and the shareholders of the CSN will not stand aside, these are their losses. That is why the Franks "pull rubber", and Rogozin trolls them on Twitter
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 November 2014 02: 56
      +1
      a rare ugly dish, it does not fit into our fleet even externally, no pleasure from contemplating this dock. recourse
      1. Parkan
        Parkan 16 November 2014 03: 25
        +1
        in fact, all Western helicopter carriers look about the same as the Mistral - the specificity of ships of this class is affected, here are bulk carriers or gas carriers or tankers - are they beautiful or something?
  2. Akvadra
    Akvadra 15 November 2014 18: 13
    +11
    Frenchmen are getting smaller! Where are the Napoleons with the degole ?! Where are the musketeers and Normandy Neman? Some courtesans remained! It's a pity .
  3. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 15 November 2014 18: 17
    +9
    A very good sign for India ... there is reason to think about an already stalled contract
  4. andr327
    andr327 15 November 2014 18: 27
    +12
    Oddly enough, the main headache with the Mistrals is not in Russia, but in France and its black patron! And any option will suit us!
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 15 November 2014 18: 33
      +4
      Quote: andr327
      Oddly enough, the main headache with the Mistrals is not in Russia, but in France and its black patron!
      It even seems that this purchase was conceived with the aim of causing discord in the united ranks of countries supporting the hegemony of the states, and at the same time showing the common European people the "strength" of their elected leaders.
    2. sergey261180
      sergey261180 15 November 2014 18: 35
      0
      Quote: andr327
      And any option will suit us!

      And if they don’t return the loot to us?
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 15 November 2014 18: 45
        +4
        Quote: sergey261180
        And if they don’t return the loot to us?
        Well then, gas for them will slightly rise in price, and this will contribute to a further increase in discontent of the population of France.
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 15 November 2014 19: 12
          +5
          Quote: Alexej
          Well then, gas for them will go up in price slightly

          For dill greatly risen?
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      2. kotev19
        kotev19 15 November 2014 19: 50
        0
        What are you looting for in Russia, you need to buy gold bullion in Europe for them ...
      3. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 15 November 2014 23: 20
        0
        seizure of property of the French government located in Russia. I think the amount will more than cover the losses.
    3. Iline
      Iline 15 November 2014 18: 50
      0
      France adopted the ostrich pose in the hope that the problem would resolve itself. Will not resolve! And you have to make one of two decisions. One of them is correct.
    4. fif21
      fif21 16 November 2014 00: 01
      0
      Quote: andr327
      but the main headache with the Mistrals is not in Russia, but in France
      I think the French, in any situation, will have to forget about Russian orders for a long time! This is even though it is in Russia's interests to return the money and the contractual penalty.
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  5. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 15 November 2014 18: 29
    +4
    The question is whether you are a man or a woman in the market, does the French government have pride or are they American dogs, t, e, jackals.
    And if you are the owner, then you have iron eggs.
  6. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 15 November 2014 18: 30
    +7
    Quote: Civil
    And let the one who initiated the purchase out of his pocket pay, first, let him return the secretly received star of the hero, or his lover will give the kilogram a gold coin to the state ?!


    I don’t think that if Serdyukov and Medvedev fold and pay for the Mistral, it will somehow affect the size of their personal capital. hi
  7. Stinger
    Stinger 15 November 2014 18: 31
    +1
    About innocence is debatable. Too late. Have raped the fifth republic. And as for capital, greed will prevail. This is the main European value.
  8. Cat man null
    Cat man null 15 November 2014 18: 34
    +3
    ".. unpredictable political gonorrhea .."

    IMHO - for the sake of just to see how the French will turn out now - it was worth ordering these Mistrals good

    But seriously, if - well, that:

    - ship documentation, as I understand it, Russia has already received
    - the "selection committee" climbed the entire ship .. "from clot to keel" and back .. It only seems to me that there .. not quite simple sailors take the ship off? No.

    And then it is clear why "Russia is in no hurry." Because any of the possible outcomes suits her.

    All IMHO, yes ..
  9. sv68
    sv68 15 November 2014 18: 38
    0
    olland, like many EU leaders, do not have the right to decide anything on their own because they can make decisions that are objectionable to the overseas monkey.
  10. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 15 November 2014 18: 38
    +1
    I would not want to be in the place of the paddling pool! laughing Any decision taken will hit France in any case. Or from Russia in case of violation of the terms of the contract and payment of penalties, which are much higher than the amount of the contract itself. Or from the owners from Fashington, who will "pull" the guilty vassal to the very best laughing In any case, Russia wins ... Unlike unreasonable partners good Although we will teach a good lesson to the impudent and impudent Europedics !!!
    1. lom
      lom 15 November 2014 18: 44
      -8
      France’s reputation doesn’t deteriorate in any case; they don’t condemn Russians in geyevrope, they just approve of it
  11. lom
    lom 15 November 2014 18: 38
    -6
    if they don’t give me Mestral, then they won’t learn how to pay, they won’t learn from Ukraine --- but they respect us and are afraid of the strong only, they gave us weakness, we the French, the Ukraine,
  12. martin.do
    martin.do 15 November 2014 18: 49
    +1
    This topic is already like hemorrhagic winked Oskomin filled everyone and it’s clear that the paddlers are waiting for a pendal from Uncle Sam. Pick up the forfeit. And then at least put the barge as a monument to the Champs Elysees laughing
  13. lis-ik
    lis-ik 15 November 2014 18: 56
    +1
    Last night on "FM lead", the topic with "Mistrals" was just discussed with another expert, as I understood from this conversation, everything is not very simple:
    1. Regarding the forfeits. Contract fines are hundreds of millions, not billions. Russia will receive billions if it proves in an arbitration court that due to the failure of the contract, Russia suffered serious losses, such as a change in the defense doctrine, etc.
    2. An interesting topic was voiced in the stern, supposedly the manufacturer of the stern could be a subcontractor and already receive money for the work done, i.e. the feed, as it were, is already French.
    3. As for the documentation, this is already from me, if my memory serves me right, then we would receive a complete package only when ordering 4 ships.
  14. Giant thought
    Giant thought 15 November 2014 18: 59
    -1
    General de Gaulle would have tapped Holland's nose.
  15. Urri
    Urri 15 November 2014 19: 08
    0
    Quote: Fantazer911
    Question edge or are you a man or a woman (bazaar)


    I am afraid that the penguin’s discrediting evidence on Holland is precisely the reason for his servile submission to the penguins.
  16. Proud.
    Proud. 15 November 2014 19: 16
    +1
    "... Charles de Gaulle, who, by the way, refused to participate in the military organization of the North Atlantic Alliance, so as not to sacrifice the freedom of choice and independence of his country under any circumstances, is probably tossing and turning now in his grave from the situation in which he drove his country the current head of the Elysee Palace ... "A couple (three) quotes from De Gaulle:
    - The only thing I would bring from America is Mrs. Kennedy ...
    -Russian people will never be happy, knowing that injustice is happening somewhere ...
    -France only if it is genuine France, if it is in the forefront ... France, devoid of greatness, ceases to be France ...
  17. pexotinec
    pexotinec 15 November 2014 19: 23
    0
    But what about the Americans, these Mistrals want to merge NATO, even if they themselves buy it. And we will return a lot of money and build four pieces which we need.
  18. Neighbor
    Neighbor 15 November 2014 19: 34
    +1
    In the end, the "Mistral" can be placed next to the "Aurora", as a monument to the era when they retreat at the Kerch ferry.
  19. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 15 November 2014 20: 02
    +1
    We do not need these Mistrals and were not originally needed. There is politics, as well as in the sale of Alaska to the Indians. And now, either money back, or boxes on a barrel. What are we going to scream?
  20. Password
    Password 15 November 2014 20: 04
    0
    MOSCOW EXPECTS

    Or maybe you should not wait? And demand a refund, with penalties and fines for the failure of the contract. A total of about 3 billion euros is a very weighty argument.
  21. Straight
    Straight 15 November 2014 20: 08
    +2
    Here in France they fired an employee who invited the Russian side to receive the first Mistral. We need to fire everyone who pushed through an agreement with France for the purchase of Mistrals.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 15 November 2014 21: 14
      0
      Quote: Direct
      We need to fire everyone who pushed through an agreement with France for the purchase of Mistrals.


      Putin and Medvedev? laughing
    2. Lone wolf
      Lone wolf 16 November 2014 03: 00
      -1
      Direct Yesterday, 20:08 New
      Here in France they fired an employee who invited the Russian side to receive the first Mistral. We need to fire everyone who pushed through an agreement with France for the purchase of Mistrals
      No, you don’t have to dismiss; on the contrary, it’s necessary to reward etozh with such a crap
  22. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 15 November 2014 20: 28
    +1
    I think that France has already decided on the Mistrals, but it just takes time to finally lose Obama’s face in politics. Although the socialist Hollande had long lost him. If Sarkozy even requires the transfer of helicopter carriers, then they will be in Russia, although they would have surrendered to us to hell.
  23. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 15 November 2014 20: 29
    +1
    The position of the frogmen is awful, in chess this position of the enemy is called zugzwang, when any subsequent move of the opponent leads to a deterioration or loss, the French give it to Mistral, get the cradle from the pindo ... or, they won’t, they don’t have to fork out and so good, and not so bad.
  24. lexx2038
    lexx2038 15 November 2014 20: 42
    +4
    If you don’t give it back, then NATO and all these alliances of theirs are seriously preparing and know 100% that there will be a big war, which they hope will write off everything, both debts and creditors. Therefore, it makes no sense to fulfill obligations to the country with which they are going to fight. Therefore, our commanders need to watch, analyze and prepare, so as not to be naked again. when it all starts. I believe that we will win, but I would like as little as possible. Gentlemen oligarchs - get involved, the more missiles there will be in your homeland, the more sacred is your money in foreign banks. You don’t want to be hung on scarves, and your money is bye-bye? There you are still strangers.
  25. pest
    pest 15 November 2014 21: 40
    -1
    At the expense of innocence, it is not necessary to touch it, there are other holes. So for the French we will take out the brain, throat, ears and anus. But we will not touch innocence, we will leave it to the "Big Brother", they enjoy it and according to the law it should be, gay-European.
  26. 1goose3
    1goose3 15 November 2014 22: 51
    +2
    The helicopter carrier built for the Russian Navy suddenly became a test today for French sovereignty and independence.

    Hit in France! Now without the consent of the United States, written contracts with France stop by fear conclude.
  27. Urri
    Urri 15 November 2014 23: 22
    +1
    Quote: 1goose3
    Now, without the written consent of France, stop contracts with France to be afraid to conclude.


    I wonder when these written commitments of the USA guaranteed something. The Germans also handed over gold to America against receipt.
  28. keysi
    keysi 15 November 2014 23: 24
    0
    Let them float on these boxes themselves! Good floating target !!!
  29. sky diver
    sky diver 15 November 2014 23: 26
    0
    The proud free France that you have become.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 16 November 2014 00: 12
      0
      "Proud, free ...." I don't remember since the days of Dumas ..
  30. wanderer987
    wanderer987 15 November 2014 23: 44
    -1
    The question is, well, why the heck of the Russian Navy is this trough with its "windage", its control will be very difficult and how will it behave in a severe storm? Let the "paddling pools" with "mattress mats" pay a penalty for it, and Russia will build something really worthwhile with these funds! Well, if they are transferred to Russia, then except for using them in the form of ferries in the Crimea, they are no longer suitable for anything.
    1. Lone wolf
      Lone wolf 16 November 2014 03: 07
      +1
      wanderer987 SU Yesterday, 23:44 PM New
      The question is, well, why the heck of the Russian Navy is this trough with its "windage", its control will be very difficult and how will it behave in a severe storm? Let the "paddling pools" with "mattress mats" pay a penalty for it, and Russia will build something really worthwhile with these funds! Well, if they are transferred to Russia, then except for using them in the form of ferries in the Crimea, they are no longer suitable for anything.
      Or maybe they are just going to use them ??? I can’t imagine the need for such a Queen Mary in our fleet.
  31. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 16 November 2014 00: 07
    0
    Imho / The ships won't give us back. Will not allow the "owner", for whom the decline of France's reputation in the arms market is only a plus. 2. The Russian Federation will receive money for a frank "kidalovo" oh, how long it will take, or will not receive it at all (they will find "people's courts" to find fault with or what to fuck ... imho
  32. v245721
    v245721 16 November 2014 00: 40
    +1
    Russia must decide and put harsh conditions on the paddlers. if the ship is not handed over before December 1, then the contract shall be deemed not fulfilled and they shall demand the money back and the penalty shall be paid. and it’s enough to familiarize with them, with Ukrainians with gas until familiarize we don’t know how to take money from them for gas. nobleness is not appropriate here.
  33. Vasily
    Vasily 16 November 2014 01: 47
    +2
    Quote: ranger
    Quote: Svetlana
    . After all, how many invaluable specialists languish without work. And yet not old.


    I would like to note that the situation is exactly the opposite - there are just not enough qualified specialists and all the available shipbuilding capacities are loaded to capacity for several years ahead, so that no one languishes from idleness, do not worry ... This, by the way, was noted by Putin being at the Zvezda shipyard - in the Far East, there are not enough specialists for the new shipyards being built ...
    And the practice of ordering warships and civilian ships abroad existed both in tsarist Russia and in the Soviet Union - ships before the Second World War were designed and built for the USSR even in Germany and Italy ... Recall who was in power in those countries in those years ... Our leaders were not afraid then to lose their ideological virginity ...


    Of course, there are not enough specialists! especially, if not ... x, what not to do to have these specialists!
    Communicated with the people responsible for the construction of the Star, found out. It turns out IMG shipbuilding equipment lay in the customs warehouse for a year (!). Everything else is in the same vein. And the frames are there!
    I do not want to blame everything on Putin. One person should not, not able, etc. But someone should be responsible for the mess ?!
  34. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 November 2014 03: 24
    0
    Oland is the EBN of the French spill. The only difference is not drunken. The rest is like a carbon copy:
    - benefits for country 0, some problems;
    - do not give a damn about the people;
    - kissing from the USA;
    - statements on the verge of stupidity;
    - narcissism and further on the list.
  35. pts-m
    pts-m 16 November 2014 10: 59
    0
    Well, the custodians will not offer enti pelvis to Sanka Belorussky. Because by the way, his country has ports in the Baltic well, of course on credit.
  36. alexvdv78
    alexvdv78 16 November 2014 16: 36
    +1
    The people, by golly how small! No one will give Russia to the Mistral and we will not see compensation as our own ears. What kind of world do we live in? In all the news, there is only the howl about Russia - the aggressor. They have already invented all the excuses for not returning the ship. War on the nose, who will arm us? Our opponent is the future? They won’t give us the Mistals and don’t see the money either, they’ll write it off for invented force majeure. And the war will write everything off.
  37. kvm11
    kvm11 16 November 2014 18: 31
    0
    Quote: andr327
    Oddly enough, the main headache with the Mistrals is not in Russia, but in France and its black patron! And any option will suit us!

    If they don’t give it back, tore off the forfeit and then sink the pelvis.
  38. Sanya Rus
    Sanya Rus 16 November 2014 20: 25
    0
    French males, let the grandmas turn back, and the mistral let the heart redeem itself in the country.