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New wave of emigration?

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According to Rosstat, 203659 people left Russia from January to August. For example, for the same period last year, this figure was about 121 thousand people, and for the whole year - 186 thousand. Another figure for comparison: in the crisis year 1990 more than 450 thousand people left the USSR (only according to official data). And this is despite the fact that the population of the USSR was 293 million, and in modern Russia - 143 million.

New wave of emigration?


Who are the emigrants? What makes them leave their homeland? The reasons are different. First of all, it is the economy, the standard of living. They go for high salaries and low prices. In the Internet era, it is possible to compare price tags "there" and "here." And the comparison is almost always in favor of "there." In second place is social security. This includes low bureaucracy, a well-functioning police and health care system, ease of doing business, etc. The next reason is cultural and political disagreements with the reality existing in Russia. Someone does not like the current regime, someone like compatriots.

As a rule, all these reasons go in a complex, plus purely individual ones are superimposed. No problem, some will say. People come to us, to Russia, more than they leave. This is so, but one should pay attention not only to quantity, but also to quality. Apart from refugees from the Donbass, those who come to Russia for the most part are low-skilled workers, or even a criminal and extremist element.

Mostly qualified specialists leave with their families. Those who can easily find work abroad: scientists, IT-specialists, qualified managers, professional athletes, etc. The average age of people leaving is from 25 to 40 years, that is, the age of the “motor of the nation”. Much less flow of "blue collar": electricians, car mechanics, etc. This is due to the higher competition and the need to confirm their skills in the new homeland. However, they are going. In some developed countries there is even a lack of truckers.

In addition, for the most part, immigrants are ethnic Russians. Russians easily assimilate, do not create enclaves in new homelands.

The Russian authorities either try not to notice the problem, or react to the “flight” with ill-concealed irritation. What is one statement of Mr. Medvedev, “Good riddance, drive.”

In the meantime, in developed countries there are firms that are fully formed from "our former": from software companies to PMCs. But now they are working on a foreign economy and foreign national interests. Who is guilty that these people could not realize themselves in their homeland? The rhetorical question is the obvious answer.

Here it is necessary to note not only professional, but also personal qualities of leaving for permanent residence. As a rule, these are active, initiative, energetic people. Under normal conditions, they move forward business, science and sport in their country. In our conditions, they prefer to develop the above-mentioned spheres in other countries. To the question why they answer simply: a big profit, plus there is no Russian rudeness, arbitrariness and bureaucracy. Can not argue with that. It is difficult to blame people for not wanting to beat their heads against a wall and chose to walk where there is no wall.

The question is, what did Russia gain from this? And nothing. Only lost. Worse, to our compatriots abroad, we often have a swaggering attitude. At the same time, many countries have learned how to use diasporas of compatriots in other countries. So in the US there is an Armenian lobby, Israeli is all sorts of others. There are specific examples when diasporas influenced the White House policy. Russia has such an influence, but it is not used at all, although many words have been said on this subject.

In the meantime, the outflow of personnel continues. It may happen that in the foreseeable future, the Russian Federation will have to import "brains" or, worse, finished products of their activities. In general, this is happening now, but this trend will only increase if radical changes do not occur. In general, the flight of specialists under the conditions of an actual technological blockade from the West is a challenge that will very soon have to be addressed.
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  1. Sensatus
    Sensatus 17 November 2014 08: 17
    +5
    To the question why they answer simply: a big gain, plus there is no Russian rudeness, arbitrariness and bureaucracy.
    These people just want to say: do not confuse tourism with emigration!

    And the author would like to also analyze how many compatriots have returned to Russia recently and what they say about the reasons for returning and about REAL life there.

    And then again, not an article, but a propaganda campaign turned out.
    1. Kibalchish
      17 November 2014 08: 30
      +51
      Never agitation. There is a problem. It is a fact. You can close your eyes to it, or you can try to figure it out.
      Not all of those traveling are active opponents of Putin.
      1. Oleg NSK
        Oleg NSK 17 November 2014 08: 38
        +16
        ... agree with Kibalchish ...
        ... a lot of factors affecting emigration ...
        ... but most of course, the things described in the next article are annoying ... and this is very common in everyday life ... they all see and understand that dealing with this is extremely problematic ... there are no laws to avoid this, and it can’t be ... and moral and ethical are not inherent in such people ...

        ... but for the most part of course, people leaving the country are introverted, with a primary inner self ...
        "I felt bad - I left where I would be better"- moreover, in the domestic plan, other things interest them a little
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      3. Sensatus
        Sensatus 17 November 2014 08: 42
        +3
        I did not say that there is no problem. But the problem must always be analyzed comprehensively. Then it will be an analysis.
      4. Sensatus
        Sensatus 17 November 2014 09: 02
        +1
        I looked at this site: http://countrymeters.info/ru/Russian_Federation
        So there is evidence that the migration balance in Russia is positive. Those who entered Russia for 383 thousand people. more than those who left. Who are these people - this is the second question, and it is necessary to deal with him, and not to shout "everything is gone."
        1. creak
          creak 17 November 2014 10: 31
          +37
          Quote: Sensatus
          . Entering Russia for 383 thousand people. more than those who left. Who are these people is the second question


          Who comes to us is not the second, but the first question - half of Central Asia will move to us soon - is this an equivalent replacement? After all, Russia is already going to entire villages, going to give birth (maternity tours), the FMS cannot name the exact number of migrants - the spread by millions (which 328 thousand) ... - So the surplus is not a reason for joy - after all, not scientists are coming to us Doctors, scientists or engineers who we enter every day we see in markets and other retail outlets, construction sites, and not in laboratories and hospitals ....
          1. soaring
            soaring 17 November 2014 13: 06
            +16
            +++++++++ Short and clear! ranger, you expressed my thoughts!
            Clever heads leave, and a shepherd arrives, who knows how to cook pilaf at the stake next to his yurt and his family to give birth to kinder and get money .... There is more harm than good from this and I don’t want that there would be more than leaving!
            1. samuil60
              samuil60 18 November 2014 00: 10
              +8
              These "smart" heads would never work for the country anyway. For they know how and want to work only for themselves. If a person does not care where to live, as long as there is more money, such a person is unreliable anywhere, not in any country. It was from these that the corps of potential traitors, or even just policemen, was always formed. And then they shout to the whole world: "The child was taken away!" or "robbed, but the police are not looking for anyone!" What do you want? You are not local there ...
        2. saag
          saag 17 November 2014 10: 33
          +4
          Quote: Sensatus
          Entering Russia for 383 thousand people. more than departing

          quantity is not always quality
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 17 November 2014 13: 40
          +14
          Quote: Sensatus
          I looked at this site: http://countrymeters.info/ru/Russian_Federation
          So there is evidence that the migration balance in Russia is positive. Those who entered Russia for 383 thousand people. more than those who left. Who are these people - this is the second question, and it is necessary to deal with him, and not to shout "everything is gone."



          According to Rosstat, 203659 people left Russia from January to August. For example, for the same period last year, this figure was about 121 thousand people, and for the whole year - 186 thousand. Another figure for comparison: in the crisis of 1990, more than 450 thousand people left the USSR (only according to official data). And this despite the fact that the population of the USSR was 293 million people, and modern Russia - 143 million.


          We go to the Rosstat website in the section migration
          We select the table the number of dropouts and look at the data of Rosstat where statistics are presented up to and including January 2014. For the period from January to August, I personally did not find the data.
          Maybe I’ve looked badly. But in such a case, in such publications disseminated by ALL liberal media should be reference to the source. Otherwise it another informational stuffing and discussing whether such a problem exists or not and what it is connected with does not make sense. You can also calculate the number of dropouts for the same period last year.
          Not too lazy counted. As a result for the period January-August 2013 540960 people departed.Total for 2013 895941 people dropped out.
          But generally observed migration growth in particular for 2013, he amounted to 231061 people.
          I repeat all this taken from the official site of the FSGS.http://www.gks.ru/
          Go to the migration section-here
          So this is another liberoid stuffing and with the numbers clearly taken from the ceiling.
        4. Bonham
          Bonham 17 November 2014 19: 15
          +3
          strange statistics in general in the article:
          the population of the USSR was 293 million people, and modern Russia - 143 million.

          actually, with the annexation of Crimea, another 2 million, + half a million refugees from Ukraine, increased, so the population of modern Russia - 145 million least
        5. Volozhanin
          Volozhanin 18 November 2014 13: 55
          -1
          A cattle is coming to us ..... a kishlak lak, which no one needs in his village.
      5. Setrac
        Setrac 17 November 2014 09: 03
        -7
        Quote: Kibalchish
        There is a problem.

        On the eve of a schucher, thieves and criminals flee, and traitors like them.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 17 November 2014 12: 25
          +5
          Quote: Setrac
          -6

          Traitors were offended, but what did you think. The country fed you, raised you, taught you, and you leave it in a difficult moment, thought you would sing praises? Traitors, they are traitors. Rats running from a sinking ship are nobler than you.
        2. North Christmas Tree
          North Christmas Tree 17 November 2014 13: 20
          0
          Agree with you. Traitors and flee.
          Those who believe that there is better. There is nothing to do.
          And then they suffer there that they took their children, half did not give them away after the divorce, etc.
          Not everyone, of course, one comb, but ... somehow hooked.
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        4. muginov2015
          muginov2015 17 November 2014 13: 40
          +12
          As for the thieves and traitors, I think you got a little excited. I’m different. I’ve left for satisfying Europe and live according to their laws. But it turns out like in Norway (I don’t protect these herring eaters at all). well, Raska sucks! And they took the child away. So they immediately recall their homeland. Oh help, we are ours, they robbed us. I think we need a legislative act, since I adopted other citizenship, I automatically lose Russian and whine there, on my new homeland in their law enforcement organizations.
      6. beefrost
        beefrost 17 November 2014 09: 58
        +2
        Yes, not all. Basically, they are fans of salmon, lingerie from Victoria Secret, lovers of a beautiful life and dreaming of it. Vobschem .... kayfolov leave.
        1. dark_flame
          dark_flame 17 November 2014 12: 20
          +10
          a few years ago I was at an open day at NSU, at the IT department the teacher said something like this: "About 10-15 percent of you will remain in Novosibirsk, and then mostly poor students, the rest will go abroad by invitation"
          Quote: beeFrost
          highs.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 17 November 2014 12: 27
            +2
            Quote: dark_flame
            In Novosibirsk, about 10-15 percent of you will remain, and then mostly losers, the rest will go abroad by invitation

            Let the employer pay the state for each young specialist, otherwise the players are sold for millions, and promising scientists are released for nothing.
            1. dark_flame
              dark_flame 17 November 2014 12: 33
              +3
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: dark_flame
              In Novosibirsk, about 10-15 percent of you will remain, and then mostly losers, the rest will go abroad by invitation

              Let the employer pay the state for each young specialist, otherwise the players are sold for millions, and promising scientists are released for nothing.

              Maykrosovt provides products to all NSU students for free, why not pay?
          2. TOR2
            TOR2 17 November 2014 22: 27
            +3
            Quote: dark_flame
            a few years ago I was at an open day at NSU, at the IT department the teacher said something like this: "About 10-15 percent of you will remain in Novosibirsk, and then mostly poor students, the rest will go abroad by invitation"

            ordinary PR move at the bottom of open doors ...
            1. dark_flame
              dark_flame 18 November 2014 19: 13
              0
              Honestly, after the third year with some already intel contracts are concluded.
              Quote: TOR2

              ordinary PR move at the bottom of open doors ...
      7. Albert1988
        Albert1988 17 November 2014 12: 12
        +8
        There is, of course, the problem of emigration, but the most important thing is lacking - statistics - how many people left, by profession and social group, who emigrated at all, who went on a long-term business trip, etc. that recently the number of those who, say, directly fight sanctions, has sharply increased, that is, those who have a large amount of property abroad and who fear that in this political situation they will be able to lose it all ...
      8. user
        user 19 November 2014 10: 11
        0
        On the whole, the flight of specialists in the conditions of an actual technological blockade by the West is a challenge that very soon will have to be addressed.


        If you move a little from Moscow and St. Petersburg, the engineer will get a decent salary and it will be quite problematic, this is the most important thing at this income level, the level of the graduates themselves has fallen sharply - these are two.
        Therefore, before you roar about leaving for a hill, you must first ensure a decent level here.
    2. Dmitry T
      Dmitry T 17 November 2014 08: 33
      +35
      A good friend of mine who returned from Canada, after 7 years of living, said: "If you want to die in soul, go away !!!" I, of course, do not understand his words, but the niece who met them said that he crawled on his knees and kissed the ground. And before leaving, he was also an antipatriot. So it goes.
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 17 November 2014 08: 45
        +9
        he crawled on his knees and kissed the earth

        And so you always lose first, then you realize that you have lost. Therefore, dual / triple citizenship is our choice. I rested, traveled, changed the situation and went home.
        At the same time, many countries have learned to use compatriots' diasporas in other countries.

        But this is damn true. It seems to me that the Russians are actually more Chinese, Hindus and Yehuds combined. Well, damn it, it’s really everywhere - on the ferry between Riga and Stockholm - some Russians, in Helsinki - some Russians. Oh my gosh, I have a distant relative who repatriated from Kyrgyzstan to Deutschland. Well, they complain that there are not even Turks, only Russians.
        how many compatriots have recently returned to Russia and what do they say about the reasons for returning and about REAL life there

        Not so much, or rather, very little.
      2. Eggor
        Eggor 17 November 2014 10: 03
        +2
        Quote: Dmitry T
        "If you want to die in soul, leave !!!"

      3. Hleb
        Hleb 17 November 2014 11: 24
        +9
        here by the way, our boys Canadians rolled out at their place (Subway Super Series):

        - The guys started the super series with three wins in a row! This has never happened before. Maple leaf country in light shock.
        - "What kind of heroes have you grown up there, Vladislav? A new generation of secret pupils of the Red Army?"
        The guys really fight heroically with the Canadians. And the team of players under 17! Isn't her victory in the World Challenge Cup a feat? Prokhorov's wards and the Americans beat - 2: 1, and the Finns - 6: 1, and the Canadians - 9: 2 in two matches. A truly stellar victory! After the Sochi Olympics, some alternative-minded "experts" rushed to bury our hockey, went into hysterics like "we have no youth at all." Now it is obvious that all those howls were classic, described in Mikhail Bulgakov's book "The Master and Margarita" "a case of the so-called lies." The Russian hockey system brings up excellent youth. With such guys, a great future awaits us, - said Tretyak.
    3. Ivan Victory
      Ivan Victory 17 November 2014 11: 20
      +8
      The author has problems with logic. All those leaving to register in exile. Have you forgotten about the conflict in Ukraine? Over a million refugees entered Russia. And some of them are returning. Everything is simple and clear. But not to the author. For him, the return of Ukrainian refugees to Ukraine is a crime of the Putin regime :))) and another reason to poke.
    4. Eggor
      Eggor 17 November 2014 11: 47
      +3
      There is such a prosaic thing as statistics, the rest from the evil one:

      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 17 November 2014 12: 15
        +3
        If this list was still clickable or a link ...
        1. Eggor
          Eggor 17 November 2014 12: 58
          +3
          Quote: Albert1988
          If this list was still clickable or a link ...

          Link to the report of Rosstat (MS Word) for 2014. - http://www.gks.ru/bgd/free/b14_00/IssWWW.exe/Stg/dk09/8-0.doc

          www.gks.ru - Federal State Statistics Service

        2. Eggor
          Eggor 17 November 2014 13: 08
          +4
          Quote: Albert1988
          If this list was still clickable or a link ...
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 17 November 2014 15: 06
            +3
            Hmm, from this list it follows that people are leaving more to countries such as Germany, the USA, Canada and Finland, which is quite natural, although the composition of those who have left / arrived is not very clear - for example, 2569 people came from Germany - how many are among them (I think that these are only Russian citizens) - how many people who came to from business trips and how many emigrants returned (if any), etc., among 3157 who left for Germany - how many Russian citizens who went there to live, and how many simply work, I think with such statistics, all questions would definitely disappear.
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        4. Shaitan_by
          Shaitan_by 17 November 2014 13: 20
          +2
          In Chrome in the context menu there is "Open picture in new tab"
    5. nnz226
      nnz226 17 November 2014 11: 48
      +5
      It would be nice if this list of emigrants included all sorts of Shenderovichs, Kasparovs, Kasyanovs and other white-tape shelupon ...
      1. Oleg NSK
        Oleg NSK 17 November 2014 12: 32
        +6
        all sorts of Shenderovichs, Kasparovs, Kasyanovs


        ... these will just remain in Russia ... for "Tam", they are needed here
        ... their job is like this ... "To be here"
    6. Libra
      Libra 17 November 2014 18: 51
      +3
      I heard a lot of nonsense from second-hand accounts, from Russians who live in the United States, many hate stupid Yankees who pursue only a dollar, have no one to talk heart to heart about sore (local people go to psychologists for this), many of our families keep us (for example, wife foreigner), what kind of education did you get here even if it is highly qualified, then there it is all reset, i.e. you go banal to migrant workers or you drive a taxi or you wash the floors, and Amer’s education is very expensive, there isn’t an American dream there it crashed to smithereens even among locals, and Sensatus is right
      1. atalef
        atalef 17 November 2014 20: 23
        +2
        Quote: Libra
        I heard a lot of nonsense from second hand,

        Well, there are not satisfied everywhere.
        In general, it all depends on the person. wants to break through. they don’t wait anywhere with carriages. It will be an inert mass - it will remain a swamp. will sit on the welfare. slurp chips. watch TV shows and eat fat - blaming everyone and everything in their miserable life.
        For me, the indicator is one and very simple.
        Now the borders are open, at least in one, at least in the other direction.
        Do not like it - come back, no one is holding.
        Now look at the statistics.
        And everything in general will fall into place.
    7. Denis fj
      Denis fj 18 November 2014 19: 34
      0
      All this is correct and the author is clearly biased.
      But! In fact, there are really a lot of qualified specialists including engineers who have left for Western countries. Perhaps this is a small part of all those who emigrated, but it is precisely these that we now lack. And this is a blunder, to say the least, of our government that does not know how, does not want to work with such a contingent.
      Most go for lentil stew. So the government needs to differentiate their statements and create the conditions for the return of those who were forced to leave not really wanting it. Not too late.
  2. alex56
    alex56 17 November 2014 08: 20
    +1
    On the one hand, the indicated problem, of course, takes place and it needs to be solved - to improve economic, social, cultural and other conditions of life.
    But do not forget that among those leaving there is a large percentage of those who belong to the "creative class / white-ribbon workers" and whose loyalty and loyalty to Russia is in question! Maybe there is really nothing wrong with the fact that Russia is getting rid of those who, under certain conditions, will not hesitate to strike in the back?
    1. Karabanov
      Karabanov 17 November 2014 10: 17
      0
      The figures given are merely dry statistics. Now, if every person (Russian), regardless of age, education and social status, would be offered the opportunity to go for permanent residence over a hill ... The numbers would be different, I suppose even - catastrophic. I think the patriots would be noticeably reduced. What is this talking about?
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 17 November 2014 12: 17
        0
        Quote: Karabanov
        I think the patriots would be noticeably reduced. What is this talking about?

        Mmmm, you understand this is all "would", because there is no real statistics on how many people really want to leave, and how much data will leave if they had such an opportunity - in principle, there can be no.
      2. Karabanov
        Karabanov 17 November 2014 12: 38
        +8
        It is probably worth adding here, since you are focusing on the political orientation of emigrants. Where, for example, does he live with the co-chairman of the Supreme Council of the United Russia party, an ardent patriot and defender of Sevastopol, the great beekeeper, Mr. Luzhkov? Then, after the disgrace, he asks Latvia for unfriendly citizenship, then wanders around in Austria, then takes his family to London, and sometimes looks at his apiary to inquire about the health of the bees ... Why not in Sevastopol, especially since it is OUR. And where are the majority of the children of the deputies and all the oligarchs there? Really in the Siberian M.u.h.o.s.s.r.a.s.s.ke e? And why do they have real estate there? And where do they get education?
        But there is only one Meadow, from so many people like him. For most of them, the motherland is where * opa is warm.
        It is not worth saying that the determining factor in the desire of many to leave is treason. The reasons for many are purely domestic. Disruption, lack of money, outright disregard, and of course the hypocrisy and cynicism of officials of all stripes (not without it).
        So who is more of a traitor? Those who are looking for a better share and recognition, or those who are hiding behind pseudo-patriotic slogans for the sake of political conjuncture here and there, regardless of anything, will remain with them?
        Therefore, I say, there would be an opportunity (and most simply do not have it), much more would leave, than the statistics show. This is very disturbing. Therefore, I urge you to look at the root of the problem and look for the reasons for this leading to it, and not to stigmatize it.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 17 November 2014 15: 09
          +1
          And where does Luzhkov? Here is a special case - political persecution went against him - he quarreled with the authorities, and so would have sat for himself the mayor of the Mother See for a long time. And then - here it is important to clarify who you consider to be a patriot. If you mean those who simply shout about their patriotism, and the villa itself is on the Cote d'Azur, then in principle it should be written).

          "It is not worth saying that the determining factor of the desire of many to leave is - betrayal. The reasons for many are purely domestic. Inadequacy, lack of money, outright disregard, and of course the hypocrisy and cynicism of officials of all stripes (not without this)."
          Here you are right, no one denies this, but the question is different - now emigration has increased because of what - more people started to leave for the reasons you indicated, or were they just added to these same "kreakly" who were afraid of the hypothetical "iron curtain"?
          1. Karabanov
            Karabanov 17 November 2014 18: 12
            0
            I did not answer you. Just complemented the answer. There is no desire to engage in polemics. Maybe later...
          2. atalef
            atalef 17 November 2014 20: 28
            +4
            Quote: Albert1988
            And where does Luzhkov? T

            But where does the children of the Russian elite live? Where do Putin's daughters live? What citizenship do the Rutenbergs have? Timchenko?
            Where does the Astakhov family live?
            Next to list?
            Can we remember about the son of the super-patriot Mezulina? Why mom didn’t explain. that Belgium cannot be better than Stavropol?
      3. RONIN-HS
        RONIN-HS 17 November 2014 13: 22
        0
        ... what is this talking about?

        That you judge by oneself... negative
        1. Karabanov
          Karabanov 17 November 2014 14: 22
          0
          Oh, whether ... Any judgment is subjective one way or another, but in this case it reflects my experience of communicating with people of different social planes. I know what I'm talking about. And I am convinced that many have such an experience. Although in fairness it should be noted that the experience also varies ...
          You can poke your fingers on the clave and say words that are pleasant and flowing into the general patriotic course, and indicate the vices and shortcomings of the system, and, alternatively, offer options for correcting it. So far, unfortunately, the mainstream and stereotyped prevail on this project.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 17 November 2014 15: 15
            0
            Quote: Karabanov
            another point to the flaws and shortcomings of the system, and as an alternative, suggest options for fixing it.

            The first part of your phrase is prohibitively easy, but the second is extremely difficult to execute. There is still such a problem in our country when people build such a worldview for no particular reason: they say that our country is not the right one, nothing can be changed here - it means we must bring it down, and note, often these are people who live well, in abundance and with the described you don’t encounter problems, that is, there is a passive civic position, society is not consolidated in this regard, this is also a serious problem.
            1. Karabanov
              Karabanov 17 November 2014 20: 36
              +1
              I am now ready to debate, but more and more it is beginning to resemble endless political talk shows on television ... A bunch of experts, analysts, various historians and political scientists ... They mutter, gund, preach ... And what's the point of this, like milk from a goat ... Decisions are not made by them, laws are often dictated, and they are just a clownish retinue. They are discussing right and wrong .. But there is not enough strength, no will to change the existing situation. If you dig even deeper, it suddenly turns out that no one is different from either cattle or "glamorous nonentity (bohemia)" ... I did not want to delve into philosophy. The answer is always on the surface.
              1. Karabanov
                Karabanov 17 November 2014 21: 11
                0
                And in addition ... Just in case. I live in Russia, far beyond the Moscow Ring Road, where income is below the subsistence level + veteran. And trolling me is stupid.
    2. atalef
      atalef 17 November 2014 20: 25
      +3
      Quote: alex56
      But do not forget that among those leaving there is a large percentage of those who belong to the "creative class / white-ribbon workers" and whose loyalty and loyalty to Russia is in question!

      AND . so what? Why, if with a Kyle and a shovel - automatically betrayed. and if you are any IT specialist. so automatically traitor?
      1. alex56
        alex56 18 November 2014 07: 08
        0
        And where did you see the equal sign between IT specialist and white-collar?
        Bringers were, are and will be in all professions and sectors of society ((
  3. Drunya
    Drunya 17 November 2014 08: 23
    -7
    Mostly qualified specialists leave with their families. Those who can easily find work abroad: researchers, IT specialists, qualified managers, professional athletes, etc. The age of those traveling on average is from 25 to 40 years, that is, the age of the "motor of the nation."

    The fish is looking for where it’s deeper, but the man - where it’s better - BUT not in this case, it’s a betrayal.
    Kick In A Dog On The Border.
  4. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 17 November 2014 08: 25
    +5
    People are leaving ... who do not want to build their own country ... you can always find an excuse for yourself especially without straining ... and in the conditions of a shortage of qualified personnel abroad (we talk about this at all international conferences on industrial automation) there is a demand for them ... however, like the Indians and other specialists from Eastern Europe ...
    1. dark_flame
      dark_flame 17 November 2014 12: 28
      +5
      Quote: silberwolf88
      People are leaving ... who do not want to build their country ...

      From the beginning, rats flee from the ship, and then smart ones. Our ship began to sink another 25 years ago.
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 17 November 2014 22: 54
        +1
        Smart cats on the ship ...
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 18 November 2014 00: 31
          +1
          And they get up to pump pump water.
    2. tulaev
      tulaev 18 November 2014 21: 54
      +1
      and you try to go to the Ministry of Industry and Trade and take part in the construction of the country, take part in some kind of R&D that is so necessary for the state, or try to sell something they really need in the Ministry, or get a loan from a bank at a "reasonable" percentage to increase working capital, or at least get and connect electrical power to the site where you want to build an industrial plant and add to this the wild attitude of the government in the country to its own currency. I perfectly understand those "who do not want to build their own country", but you are wrong: they JUST DO NOT GIVE THEM and do everything to make them leave.
  5. brelok
    brelok 17 November 2014 08: 27
    +9
    Go looking at a beautiful picture! But it is worth listening to those who are returning. For many points, Russia benefits. Probably it is worth introducing not an exit for students of technological universities. It’s not worth teaching at the state expense, I'm sorry, you should call everything by their proper names, traitors. Namely traitors, people who put their feeding trough above the interests of the country. The generation of the early 90s will still show itself. Alas, from the bad side
    1. dark_flame
      dark_flame 17 November 2014 12: 46
      -2
      Quote: brelok
      Probably it is worth introducing not an exit for students of technological universities. It’s not worth teaching at the state expense, I'm sorry, you should call everything by their proper names, traitors. Namely traitors, people who put their feeding trough above the interests of the country. The generation of the early 90s will still show itself. Alas, from the bad side

      I'd rather leave to work abroad and I will work there in the profession for which I studied and which I like, than I will stay in Russia and will scream all my life behind the counter FREE CASH! FREE CASH !!!
      1. Buran
        Buran 17 November 2014 15: 35
        +4
        I’ll stay in Russia and will scream all my life behind the counter FREE CASH! FREE CASH !!!


        It is better of course to wash the dishes in silence, in a foreign country.
        But do something yourself, pride in the profession does not allow?
        1. dark_flame
          dark_flame 17 November 2014 16: 14
          +1
          My profession is the IT sector, more precisely, operating systems and programs. So think about where I can fully reveal my potential, abroad where all the conditions are created for this, or in Russia where there are no conditions.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 17 November 2014 17: 00
            0
            Quote: dark_flame
            My profession is the IT sector, more precisely, operating systems and programs. So think about where I can fully reveal my potential, abroad where all the conditions are created for this, or in Russia where there are no conditions.


            Yeah. Flag in hand and a drum on the neck.

            1. dark_flame
              dark_flame 17 November 2014 19: 04
              +2
              Quote: wanderer_032

              Yeah. Flag in hand and a drum on the neck.

              Thank you and you do not get sick.
  6. Nikita74
    Nikita74 17 November 2014 08: 38
    +2
    Those who do not find their place here are coming, and everything else is an excuse!
  7. sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 17 November 2014 08: 40
    0
    Who are the emigrants? What makes them leave their homeland? The reasons are different. First of all, this is the economy, the standard of living. They go for high salaries and low prices.

    THOSE. for freebies as usual. "the fish is looking where it is deeper - the person is looking for where there is more freebie. They will take root there. Europe, where they go for a long time, does not produce anything except manure and politicians. There is a road for them, there they will be taught tolerance and European values, let them stay there and not return.
    1. sergeybulkin
      sergeybulkin 17 November 2014 09: 00
      +1
      How many of them were, these emigrants, there they begin to write vile libels in their newspapers about how bad life is for the Soviet people in the USSR, that wild bears roam the streets of Moscow and millions of citizens are imprisoned simply for telling an anecdote. They get settled to work in "enemy" voices, such as "the voice of America" ​​or something like that.
      They’re not just leaving, they become ideological opponents, but what’s it, frankly speaking, enemies.
      1. Island
        Island 17 November 2014 09: 27
        +9
        There were many and many will be .... just do not need to make general conclusions for the sake of the moment ..... and what does the voice of America have to do with it, for example, in Hungary .... Russians by nature are strong in character, therefore they always remain Russian .. ..and it’s not necessary to reduce everything to domestic interest - there are different reasons ....
        1. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 17 November 2014 10: 35
          +9
          And let's all in a crowd, at once, we will throw all this devastation at ... and we’ll go to where it’s always warm, we’ll take the whole country to where there is good grub and fertile land ???
          Where in cities and villages people don’t throw garbage on the sidewalk near the house, where women do not pour rotten cabbage soup from the window of the fifth floor onto the street, well, in general, where normal mostly people live ???

          Who will say where there is such a place? And are they waiting for us there?
          1. muginov2015
            muginov2015 17 November 2014 13: 47
            +2
            Where in cities and villages people don’t throw garbage on the sidewalk near the house, where women do not pour rotten cabbage soup from the window of the fifth floor onto the street, well, in general, where normal mostly people live ???
            Who will say where there is such a place? And are they waiting for us there? LLC! This place will be called Russia in a couple of years!
  8. Tarpon
    Tarpon 17 November 2014 08: 43
    +4
    I recalled the words of one famous song:
    "... whether the birds are flying migratory
    or the rats are fleeing the ship. "
  9. KRAT
    KRAT 17 November 2014 08: 44
    +1
    And as for me, if we take into account the political situation around Russia, these people simply leave the battlefield or, more precisely, capitulate to the West that grins at Russia and everything Russian, instead of straining themselves and working for the good of their country, they go over to the camp of the enemy, and Medvedev is right ... And the scribbler is also one of the potential "emigrants", he highlighted the problem in the brightest light and there is no solution to the problem, they say, do it so that I do not leave, so that everyone is good and comfortable, I wonder only who will do it "uncle" or something.
    1. anip
      anip 17 November 2014 09: 06
      +13
      Quote: KRAT
      And as for me, if you take into account the political situation around Russia, these people simply leave the battlefield or, more accurately, surrender to the West, which has grinned at Russia and all Russian, instead of working hard and working for the good of their country, they are moving into the enemy’s camp, and Medvedev is right .

      Strain up and work ??? Do people not work here? And those who do not want to work leave Russia? It’s just the opposite, people leave to work and get a decent salary. But among us worthy are only all sorts of Medveputy, Abrapaski, Serdyulevs, etc. Moreover, judging by their income, they are not even worthy, but super-super worthy.
      1. anip
        anip 17 November 2014 09: 27
        +27
        I worked all the time, I worked in the USSR, I worked during the collapse of the USSR, I worked when I was not paid for a year or more, moreover, I worked in the evenings to survive, I worked after the 1991 crisis and before the 1998 crisis, I worked after it, I work and now. And every time I hear: "We need to work better and more," "Whoever works harder, gets more," and so on. etc. But it turned out that no matter how you work, there are still "top managers", either their friends-relatives, or just their ... opolises, possessing neve ... abilities and talent, which for some reason they get at times, and very often and orders of magnitude more. And the more and better you work, the more you try to get a job done, but the salary does not grow, no, on the contrary, the more opportunities there is to find what to deprive of a part of your salary (bonus).

        Enough. I'm tired. I don’t want to work hard so that cream is removed by those who have learned to lick the ass of chain management well. I’m tired of seeking at least some justice at work, I’m tired of seeking to comply with laws in the areas of housing and communal services and labor in the police and administration.
        And yes, I would have had the opportunity and the means to leave - I would have left Russia without hesitation. But in the end, in the last year I began to simply take a nonsense attitude towards work (I would say it differently, but admins won’t miss it).
        1. Tribuns
          Tribuns 17 November 2014 11: 19
          +11
          Many will agree with your reflection on the attitude of Russian leaders to honest work of workers ... I remembered an ironic saying: "The horse worked best of all on the collective farm, but it did not become the chairman ..."
        2. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 17 November 2014 11: 37
          +3
          Enough. I'm tired. I don’t want to work hard so that cream is removed by those who have learned to lick the ass of chain management well.
          I support you. A lot of sayings were invented on the subject among the people: From work, horses die. Work loves fools. Those who are lucky go on that one. And the list goes on. Unfortunately it was, is and will be. So far no one has succeeded in building a fair society. But you almost came to the same conclusion over the years of your working career at the same time.
          But in the end, in the last year I began to simply take a nonsense attitude towards work (I would say it differently, but admins won’t miss it).

          PS He began his career on the assembly line from the age of 17 under the USSR. hi I just do not want to leave the country.
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        4. igorra
          igorra 17 November 2014 12: 47
          0
          Have you tried to work for yourself?
        5. DmitriyDonskoj
          DmitriyDonskoj 17 November 2014 13: 18
          +3
          You are in vain so. He worked and worked ......... And I realized the big difference between working and earning! In no case should you work for wear - this is the time! Work is determined not by fatigue or time / energy spent on it, but by work. If you worked, but didn’t do anything, then the result is the same — no, I rode on this rake for a long time. You do the work that you can’t do for a few days (designed and manufactured devices that can be bought at reasonable prices and not far), don’t take into account that your time is exactly the same money as the boom. Signs, and this time should be spent sparingly. The work of a completely different direction helps me to realize my mistakes, when I got to the construction site, I immediately realized that one worker with a concrete mixer was much more profitable than four workers with a trough and shovels, and the builders did not see this, although they immediately saw my jamb with devices. The next stage is the awareness of the chain of your work - if your work is not a routine, then it may make sense to implement it yourself? I worked in a large organization for a salary. Went to free bread to do the same job. On average, he began to earn more, even much more. But at the end of the month I will no longer receive pay. He fell ill, did not, did not have time - he received nothing. It suits me, many are not. But if you compare yourself with employees of organizations, then they have the same instability - salary delays, dismissals and cuts, only they do not see it (or do not want to see it), but listen to the managers. From the point of view of managers, in general, too, parity, they must resell someone's labor with unstable sales while paying a stable salary. Therefore, you need to pay from a third to half of the revenue to the employee, and the rest to the reserve for payments to the employee at the time of a bad sale. But if everything is normal and there are a lot of workers, then this reserve can be spent on yourself and live curly.
        6. ovgorskiy
          ovgorskiy 17 November 2014 14: 25
          0
          anip , you can work in different ways. You can just go to work, but you can earn. If you sweep streets all your life and are not going to change something in yourself, then it means they will not help you here or there. You think that having dumped there, you will do nothing there, and for this you will be paid a lot. You think not there "top managers", either their friends-relatives, or just their ... opolises, possessing neve ... abilities and talent, which for some reason they receive at times, and very often by orders of magnitude more ". Oh, how wrong you are! I think you have one fate, that here, that there, constantly whining, looking for the guilty and constantly fighting with someone. I feel sorry for you.
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 17 November 2014 12: 20
        +1
        Quote: anip
        Strain up and work ??? Do people not work here? And those who do not want to work leave Russia? It’s just the opposite, people leave to work and get a decent salary. But among us worthy are only all sorts of Medveputy, Abrapaski, Serdyulevs, etc. Moreover, judging by their income, they are not even worthy, but super-super worthy.

        Do you think that only decent people get well there?
  10. Fucknato
    Fucknato 17 November 2014 08: 44
    0
    A bad joke? - When will we take Washington and roll out tanks to Geyeuropa, will they or their children certainly defend their new Homeland?
    1. anip
      anip 17 November 2014 09: 03
      +16
      Quote: FuckNato
      when will we take Washington and roll out tanks to geeyuropa

      Oh my God...
  11. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 17 November 2014 08: 46
    0
    Rats - they are also rats in Africa. What can you expect from the consumer yet, besides his selfish interests. In addition to disgust, these people do not cause anything.
    1. anip
      anip 17 November 2014 09: 01
      +14
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      Rats - they are also rats in Africa. What can you expect from the consumer yet, besides his selfish interests. In addition to disgust, these people do not cause anything.

      Yeah, yeah .. What's wrong with the fact that a person wants to just live a normal life, getting a decent salary for his work? And if Russia is only able to raise prices for everything, if only all sorts of Abrapaski and Medveputy live well in Russia, then what's wrong with that someone can just give up on all this mess and leave?
      1. Eggor
        Eggor 17 November 2014 09: 26
        +6
        Quote: anip
        What is wrong with the fact that a person wants to just live a normal life, getting a decent salary for his work?

        There is nothing wrong with that. Only some later, like mothers who have lost their children selected in Norway, will cry - Russia help bring the children back, protect Russia, come back and cry with joy. In the world there is approximately the same combination of material and spiritual. In the West, the material dominates, in Russia - the spiritual (I'm talking about mentality).
      2. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 17 November 2014 09: 32
        +3
        Life must be changed for the better, all together, then we are a country! Or are we not Russia, but just a crowd? So, dear anipyou need not only to want, but also to seek where you were born! Now, as never before, cohesion is important, but not rats. And if they trample on Russia with aggression, where will all this escaped riffraff be? In fact, these are traitors who, under specious pretexts, create the image of virtue. As you say, if a person wants to ...
        1. anip
          anip 17 November 2014 11: 49
          +4
          Quote: Evgeniy667b
          In fact, these are traitors who, under specious pretexts, create the image of virtue.

          As a simple person, the leadership of the Russian Federation has betrayed me so many times since 1991 ...
          And continues. Only all sorts of Serdiliev are protected. So do not judge, but you will not be judged.
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    2. Island
      Island 17 November 2014 09: 40
      +16
      I look at the post and try to understand what is more surprising to me in it - that people are called rats or that they disgust ..... let me tell you about my great surprise, that's what ..... I'm doing deeply processing fish and poultry meat .... I often come to Russia - I try to transfer the latest technologies and implement them .... but before the sanctions are imposed, and even now in most cases, you know that retailers and manufacturers answered me ..... why do we need innovative technologies ..... the premium segment is already being delivered, for the rich ..... and the rogue will also eat paper sausage ..... what can you say about it .....
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 17 November 2014 10: 38
        -1
        Yes, there are such moments, and that you have to run right away? But this is not 100%, you can create an alternative, there would be a desire. And people create! Others also succeed in protecting existing production from plunder. And continue to live, uniting people. There are enough examples. And those who leave are the most natural consumers, but not the creators. I’m not going to touch the ethical side, I said everything.
        1. anip
          anip 17 November 2014 11: 51
          +7
          Quote: Evgeniy667b
          And those who leave are the most natural consumers, but not the creators.

          The most natural consumers in the Duma and the Kremlin sit, lead Rosneft, the Central Bank, Gazprom, etc.
          And those who leave - they just want to live better for their work. All.
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  12. bmv04636
    bmv04636 17 November 2014 09: 02
    -1
    I wish the author specifically cited those who left us, I’m afraid I’m afraid most of them will still be creative classes (such as artists, economists like HSE and other crap, foam, so to speak)
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    2. creak
      creak 17 November 2014 10: 18
      +6
      Quote: bmv04636
      I wish the author specifically cited those who left us, I’m afraid I’m afraid most of them will still be creative classes (such as artists, economists like HSE and other crap, foam, so to speak)


      I don’t have accurate data on specialties, but I can say that the famous American aircraft designer Sikorsky, for example, once created in Russia the world's first four-engine bomber Ilya Muromets ... TV inventor prof. Zvorykin - after leaving, he received recognition already in the United States ... And among the representatives of the last wave there were two Nobel Prize laureates and they do not consider foam. As they say do not judge and you will not be judged, everyone has the right to decide their own fate.
      1. Andchevh
        Andchevh 17 November 2014 10: 55
        0
        The Bolsheviks nearly shot Sikorsky and Zvorykin, and therefore fled to America! And Zvorkin was also a white officer !!
      2. bmv04636
        bmv04636 17 November 2014 13: 46
        0
        U.S. Citizens Pass Their Blue Passports Massively
        Correctly say everything is compared, there used to be freedom, but now the big question is if you are obsessing your former homeland, then even if you don’t pay attention to you, they’ll even pay attention to you. Look what’s going on with the children, they’re just stupidly taken away.
    3. KBR109
      KBR109 17 November 2014 10: 58
      +3
      Russian PROGRAMMERS and nuclear physicists praises the world. Huh?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 17 November 2014 11: 19
        +1
        Quote: KBR109
        Russian PROGRAMMERS and nuclear physicists praises the world. Huh?

        Sergei Brin, the creator of Googie is still appreciated.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 17 November 2014 12: 25
          +2
          And tell me, how many of those who are leaving are Sergeev Brinov? As one senior colleague of mine said: "Many thousands are leaving, and those who can work well among them and are really valuable as an employee and a specialist, and who cannot turn around here and have to leave there - dozens at most ..."
        2. Neksel
          Neksel 17 November 2014 13: 02
          +3
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Sergei Brin, the creator of Googie is still appreciated.


          He is a Jew born in the USSR. His success is irrelevant to Soviet and especially Russian education. Unless very, very indirect, perhaps because his parents - Soviet mathematicians (yes, Soviet education) took him out of the scoop.

          "Sergei Mikhailovich Brin was born in Moscow into a Jewish family of mathematicians who moved permanently to the United States in 1979, when he was 6 years old".
  13. Eggor
    Eggor 17 November 2014 09: 08
    +2
    Left and left. Those who need it (like Crimea, almost two million) are returning, to whom the Turkish coast is nicer, they are leaving. And God be with them ...
  14. anip
    anip 17 November 2014 09: 15
    +17
    Tell you why people leave (those who can leave)?
    Here you go:
    * There is no money to return pension savings - http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/44338
    * State Duma ratifies agreement to write off 90% of Soviet debts in Cuba - http://ria.ru/politics/20140704/1014739720.html
    * How Russia wrote off debts to different countries- http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2133827
    * Financial increase. Salaries of officials will double - http://www.bfm.ru/news/267326
    * Putin agreed to introduce sales tax from 2015 - http://polytika.ru/info/13222.html
    * Medvedev: tax burden is not excluded - http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1361044
    * VTB24 Bank tightens mortgage requirements in Novosibirsk due to sanctions - http://info.sibnet.ru/?id=387809#up
    * Siluanov: Rosneft is asking for 2 trillion rubles. from the National Wealth Fund http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1525081
    http://ria.ru/economy/20141022/1029553989.html
    * Gazprom recognized as inexpedient gasification of the Irkutsk region http://itar-tass.com/sibir-news/1524775
    * Russia spent $ 2,36 billion to support the ruble in three days http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1442598/
    * Kimam forgiven debt http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2014/02/19/5916573.shtml
    * Inflation in Russia is 14 times higher than in Europe http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1390599/
    And here is the inflation sign in the USA http://fin-plus.ru/ru/info/inflation_index/USA
    * Rising food prices in the regions reached 60% after the introduction of sanctions http://www.mk.ru/politics/2014/08/19/rost-cen-na-produkty-pitaniya-v-regionakh-d

    ostig-60-after-vvedeniya-sankciy.html
    Rising food prices will exceed inflation by 3% for the year http://top.rbc.ru/economics/29/10/2014/5450ed26cbb20fb9bcf05f54
    * Real wages of Russians declined for the first time since the crisis http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2599457?isSearch=True
    * The State Duma approved a sharp increase in gas prices http://news.mail.ru/politics/20107688/
    or http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1457222/
    * Case Against Auto Gang Attorney Canceled http://lifenews.ru/news/144898
    * “Who can prevent the Chinese ?!” http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/11/13/derevnya/
    * FAS considers reasonable rise in prices for chicken http://news.rambler.ru/27877322/
    * Media: Gas deal with China puts Russia at a disadvantage http://news.rambler.ru/27859939/
    * They want to raise utility bills by 15% for the sake of garbage http://izvestia.ru/news/579296
    * The state program to combat oncology will not continue
    http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2609924
    * Deputies will cover small businesses with quarterly installments of up to 6 million rubles
    http://top.rbc.ru/economics/05/11/2014/545a2b2dcbb20f5618a6ea9d

    * Putin allowed the allocation of assistance to Rosneft from the NWF
    http://top.rbc.ru/business/14/11/2014/5465c8e8cbb20f1e190158f9
    Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said in October that Rosneft is asking
    more than 2 trillion rubles. Later that month, RBC found out that the volume
    the requested funds is 2,4 trillion rubles.


    And you still do not understand why people are leaving ???
    Well, then look at the ruble against the dollar and the euro.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 17 November 2014 09: 33
      0
      What sideway do you and those who left personally have forgiveness of bad debts, inflation from the United States is imported to the whole world, all the more there are examples of even lower inflation?
      The state oncology program is being transformed into several other programs, what’s the side of the auto gang and the prosecutor?
      And in general, it is not clear what you are doing here with this approach?
      You don’t need to dump a lot of mind, only then do not post in different forums - how cool you live, not like in Sovka. I can’t believe it, because whoever really settled down there has no time and desire for that.
    2. KRAT
      KRAT 17 November 2014 09: 43
      +2
      Tell you why people leave (those who can leave)?
      Here you go:
      * There is no money to return pension savings - http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/44338
      * The State Duma ratified the agreement to write off 90% of Cuban Soviet debts - http://ria.ru/politics/20140704/1014739720.html
      * How Russia wrote off debts to different countries- http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2133827
      * Financial increase. Salaries of officials will double - http://www.bfm.ru/news/267326
      * Putin agreed to introduce a sales tax from 2015 - http://polytika.ru/info/13222.html
      * Medvedev: tax burden growth is possible - http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1361044
      * Bank VTB24 because of sanctions tightened mortgage requirements in Novosibirsk - http://info.sibnet.ru/?id=387809#up
      * Siluanov: Rosneft is asking for RUB 2 trillion. from the National Wealth Fund http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1525081
      http://ria.ru/economy/20141022/1029553989.html
      * Gazprom recognized the gasification of the Irkutsk region as inexpedient http://itar-tass.com/sibir-news/1524775
      * Russia spent $ 2,36 billion to support the ruble in three days http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1442598/
      * Kimam forgiven debt http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2014/02/19/5916573.shtml
      * Inflation in Russia is 14 times higher than in Europe http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1390599/
      And here is a sign on inflation in the USA http://fin-plus.ru/en/info/inflation_index/USA
      * Rising food prices in the regions reached 60% after the imposition of sanctions http://www.mk.ru/politics/2014/08/19/rost-cen-na-produkty-pitaniya-v-regionakh-d




      ostig-60-after-vvedeniya-sankciy.html
      Rising food prices will exceed inflation by 3% at the end of the year http://top.rbc.ru/economics/29/10/2014/5450ed26cbb20fb9bcf05f54
      * Real wages of Russians have declined for the first time since the crisis http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2599457?isSearch=True
      * The State Duma approved a sharp increase in gas prices http://news.mail.ru/politics/20107688/
      or http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1457222/
      * The case against the prosecutor associated with the auto gang http://lifenews.ru/news/144898 was canceled
      * "Who can prevent the Chinese ?!" http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/11/13/derevnya/
      * FAS considered justified the rise in prices for chicken http://news.rambler.ru/27877322/
      * Media: The gas deal with China put Russia at a disadvantage http://news.rambler.ru/27859939/
      * Utility payments want to raise by 15% for the sake of garbage http://izvestia.ru/news/579296
      * The state program to combat oncology will not be continued
      http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2609924
      * Deputies will cover small businesses with quarterly installments of up to 6 million rubles
      http://top.rbc.ru/economics/05/11/2014/545a2b2dcbb20f5618a6ea9d

      * Putin allowed the allocation of assistance to Rosneft from the NWF
      http://top.rbc.ru/business/14/11/2014/5465c8e8cbb20f1e190158f9
      Finance Minister Anton Siluanov said in October that Rosneft is asking
      more than 2 trillion rubles. Later that month, RBC found out that the volume
      the requested funds is 2,4 trillion rubles.


      "-God! What a nightmare! What to do? What to do ...? Everything is lost, we urgently need to pack our bags and tick off this ... deleted by the moderator ... . "How diligently you picked up all the crap ... mo, my advice to you, read the liberal press less.
      1. anip
        anip 17 November 2014 11: 09
        +5
        Quote: KRAT
        How diligently you have chosen everything der ... mo, my advice to you, read the liberal press less.

        Everything is taken from official sources. And is there a lie?
        1. your1970
          your1970 17 November 2014 11: 48
          +3
          The dates of labor will be held in stages over three years. Enough money to pay extra 58 thousand rubles a month to each official and achieve an 100-percent increase in wages, for example, this ...
          registration chamber-head of 21 t / rub, hl specialist-expert-18 (218 thousand in total for 2013 year), specialists of 6-9 t / rub, surcharge / premium - NO ...
          "They don't give bribes - there is nothing for that" (c) comedy club
      2. dark_flame
        dark_flame 17 November 2014 13: 04
        +2
        Quote: KRAT
        God! What a nightmare! What to do? What to do ...? Everything is gone, we urgently need to pack our bags and tick off this nasty, smelly, worthless rashka. "How diligently you picked up all the shit ... my advice to you, read the liberal press less.

        As my parents told me, when the crisis occurred at 86, the country lived in debt for a very long time, what we see now oil prices fell, the ruble sank, but prices remained the same, as you don’t know, but it seems to me that we are again, ourselves suspecting, we begin to live in debt. To be honest, I remember part of the 90s and 00s, and I would really not like my children to have the same "happy" childhood.
    3. Island
      Island 17 November 2014 09: 48
      0
      As Professor Preobrazhensky said - "And you don't read the yellow press in the mornings" ..... of course, the cancellation of the debt to Cuba caused a sharp jump in immigration ..... I can't help ..... I think that the reasons are still somewhat different .. ..
      1. anip
        anip 17 November 2014 11: 16
        +8
        Quote: Sziget
        Of course, the cancellation of debt to Cuba caused a sharp jump in immigration ..... I can’t ..... I think that the reasons are still somewhat different ...

        Well, laugh, laugh. Oh, you also think. So, you might think that, in the end, the cancellation of debts to different countries will ultimately lead to emigration. Again, not clear? Then this: writing off debts -> reducing the country's income. Just don’t bother about the fact that bad debts have been written off. Lie, from any country you can return debts in one way or another. And how can you explain that writing off debts to countries from which it is impossible to repay, almost immediately they are allocated multibillion-dollar loans? if these countries are poor, they will not return new loans! And this money could be directed in Russia to the construction of factories or to agriculture.
        That is why debt cancellation also leads to emigration. The people see how their work is squandered!
        ..
        By the way, the terms "immigration" and "emigration" are sort of, uh, somewhat different. So to understand what you really mean is somewhat difficult. So laugh, laugh.
        1. Island
          Island 17 November 2014 22: 05
          0
          IMMIGRANT: A person who immigrated somewhere. Explanatory Dictionary Ozhegova.
          m. One who went to smth. country for the purpose of a long or permanent stay there.

          Explanatory Dictionary of Ephraim
    4. Mestny
      Mestny 17 November 2014 09: 56
      0
      Someone said it would be easy?
      Either you really love the country in which you live, as they say, both in sorrow and in joy. Or you are "home is where the ass is warm."
      qualified managers, professional athletes, etc. The age of those traveling on average is from 25 to 40 years, that is, the age of the "motor of the nation."

      And I thought out of unreason that the motor of the nation is a hard worker, for example, from Uralvagonzavod. And it is as it really is!
      Personally, I will not leave, no matter what happens. I will rest to work to the last. How so? My ancestors always lived here, they built it all with everyone, it was hard and very hard, anyway. And I’ll go to warm my own ass, having worked for someone else’s uncle?
      (The following is an untranslatable pun using local ideomatic expressions)
    5. Buran
      Buran 17 November 2014 15: 39
      -1
      It remains only to put the "Censor" on the main page, and ....
      -SHEF EVERYTHING FALLS, EVERYTHING FALLS !!! (s)
    6. Libra
      Libra 17 November 2014 18: 59
      0
      you don’t understand that all of western Europe is sitting on the needle of the dollar, if they start to take away from this currency they’ll get an Amer’s rocket on the head — who can already dry their pants and scrub skis because next year the collapse of the dollar system and all the myths about prosperous Europe will be smashed to smithereens and Now they are not so hot as they live
      1. dark_flame
        dark_flame 17 November 2014 19: 11
        0
        Well, let's say they live on a dollar needle, and let's say when the dollar collapses in the west it will be full of w .... But didn’t you think about which needle Russia lives on, correctly on gas and oil, and after the collapse of the dollar in Russia it will also be .. .. And if, after the collapse of the dollar, what’s going to happen there ..., then ... then judge for yourself.
  15. bmv04636
    bmv04636 17 November 2014 09: 21
    +3
    Not long ago, the transfer was a foreign prince marries our girl and takes him to a Scandinavian country (and not only), she gives birth to children. Do not agree on the problems of upbringing gets divorced. And then the guardianship authorities come to our "mother" and seize the children under the pretext that she endangers them and does not know how to raise them. And it turns out that this prince inseminator has done such things more than once, because the euro collective farm cannot reproduce with white children in any other way. It is dangerous to confiscate Arab and Negro children, Arabs and Negroes can raise a storm and burn everything, but Russian mothers will endure everything.
  16. Sasha Belyaeva
    Sasha Belyaeva 17 November 2014 09: 25
    +11
    Poor health care, mediocre education, social injustice, caste of officials (above the law), corruption, ethnic crime (migrant workers), negative selection, lack of prospects - everywhere: open your eyes.
    You can, of course, "kick in the ass", "go like a tablecloth," "rats from a sinking ship." Who will we stay with? With janitors whose sons are studying in London?
    Look at the situation objectively - the best and young are leaving, others are not needed there.
    1. Andchevh
      Andchevh 17 November 2014 10: 50
      -5
      No need to talk about poor health care, recently at the reception at the stamotologoa I talked with my aunt, she is from Israel, and why am I asking you to treat your teeth in Russia, what about Israeli medicine! Well, go to the doctor, and save a couple of months !! Everything is so cheap! And it's not a fact that they will do it well, there are enough "specialists" there!
      1. Neksel
        Neksel 17 November 2014 11: 17
        +10
        Quote: Andchevh
        What about Israeli medicine! Well, go to the doctor, and save a couple of months! Everything is so "cheap"!


        Yes, not cheap .. Especially compared to Russia. Incidentally - in Israel, min. salary - 4,300 nis. per month (without social benefits) - and this is today about US $ 1,125 (53,142 rubles). So this is the salary of a cleaner. And recently there has been a heated debate about the next raising of mines. charge boards.
        How much do you want to take a tooth. doctor for his services? Naturally - there are lovers of "cheaper" - with tickets to Russia and accommodation - they also save money. I am familiar with one such frame - then in Israel I overpayed to dentists for reworking the hack that they made him "cheaper". But I must honestly admit that I have heard about successful cases of treatment in Russia and it is not expensive. Israeli medicine is really up to par, with good equipment and excellent doctors. The problem is that yes - it's not cheap. Social medicine suffers from the congestion of the system, and almost always there is a need to pay extra or go to private doctors. I personally have private health insurance in addition to social insurance, and if necessary, I pay only a small personal contribution. But I sleep well and there is no need to go abroad to see doctors "somewhere cheaper."
        1. anip
          anip 17 November 2014 12: 04
          +8
          Quote: Neksel
          Yes, not cheap .. Especially compared to Russia. Incidentally - in Israel, min. salary - 4,300 nis. per month (without social benefits) - and this is today about US $ 1,125 (53,142 rubles). So this is the salary of a cleaner. And recently there has been a heated debate about the next raising of mines. charge boards.

          That's right. And then Andchevh takes a person from Israel with an Israeli salary and the price of dentistry in Russia (Elderberry in the garden, and uncle in Kiev). Of course, for an Israeli, prices in Russia will be cheap. But for the residents of Russia, the prices for dentistry are, alas, very expensive.
      2. anip
        anip 17 November 2014 12: 01
        +7
        Quote: Andchevh
        No need to talk about poor health care, recently at the reception at the stamotologoa I talked with my aunt, she is from Israel, and why am I asking you to treat your teeth in Russia, what about Israeli medicine! Well, go to the doctor, and save a couple of months !! Everything is so cheap! And it's not a fact that they will do it well, there are enough "specialists" there!

        And you, in Russia, for the average Russian salary, go to the dentist to treat your teeth and insert.
    2. soaring
      soaring 17 November 2014 13: 56
      +10
      Sasha Belyaeva, you +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      Alas, not everyone understands what and who is leaving "there" and why, and this is the main thing that needs to be found out .... And while I, with my pension of 7300 and an official with a salary of 70-90 thousand, will look at different shelves in shops, why say beautiful and lofty words ... Let the family of this non-doing official (for the most part, it happens) live on my money and see if his wife leaves him or not, and how the children will look at him, which will have to be withdrawn from elite educational institutions ...)))
      And don’t have to bang your heels on the chest like I’d never leave !!! I’d leave, if only I would be given the opportunity .... Let’s without posturing! For the sake of family and my children, I would go to any country that offered a human attitude and a normal, stable job and a salary appropriate to your level.
      Therefore, it is urgent to take measures and not to produce officials, but to raise the status of workers and peasants, engineers, etc.
      You can minus, the choice is yours. Just look at all this chaos, which is happening in our state, tired of, with general silence - swamps, white-bellies, I do not take into account - this dirt is not ours at all!
      1. Small Saturn
        Small Saturn 17 November 2014 16: 20
        +3
        Why minus you ... Only +, for it is true.
  17. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 17 November 2014 09: 28
    0
    Some leave, others return when the roasted rooster bites, run to the consulates of the "ugly rashka" - take me out, you have to save me, where is my special board, where are lawyers and diplomats who are obliged to protect my children from nasty juveniles!
  18. igorra
    igorra 17 November 2014 09: 30
    +3
    and flows abroad. Kindergarten, school, university, the first working experience in Russia and at the expense of Russia and in thoughts there is no that you should something to your homeland, that’s why you consume consume to the west to consume. And just happen, save Russia. On the other hand, in a difficult year, this fifth column will not shoot in the back. Moreover, children who are taken away from these freaks are sorry.
  19. ramsi
    ramsi 17 November 2014 09: 33
    +1
    it’s really bad when technical specialists leave, but due to the defeat of industry and technical education, maybe it’s not so bad? ..
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 November 2014 09: 35
    +6
    Well actually. We have such an unfriendly environment that people break down to where everything is for a person. It is clear that there is sincerity, it is clear that here is the native land. But so many all kinds of bloodsucking creatures on this earth ...
    1. Andchevh
      Andchevh 17 November 2014 10: 45
      +1
      There are not less of them, as they say in America, two things of death and a tax inspector cannot be avoided !! And for all the bills, bills, bills !!!
  21. Lindon
    Lindon 17 November 2014 09: 36
    0
    Does the author hint at the probability of the 5 wave of emigration from Russia?
    For your information:
    White emigration (emigration of the first wave, 1918 — 1923)
    Second Wave (1941 — 1945)
    Third Wave (1948 — 1989 / 1990)
    Fourth Wave (1990s)
  22. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 17 November 2014 09: 51
    -5
    I began to notice recently that the air has become cleaner. Mother (Motherland), he is the mother. And throwing the graves of friends and relatives, for the sake of a well-fed life, is meanness.
    1. dark_flame
      dark_flame 17 November 2014 13: 18
      +4
      meanness is when towels are given to a veteran on Victory Day, and not the key to a new apartment.
  23. Kapralwdw
    Kapralwdw 17 November 2014 10: 08
    +4
    for family reasons, we left for Kazakhstan in 90 and returned to Russia in 2003! And believe me, it’s much better to live in Russia!
  24. Sultan
    Sultan 17 November 2014 10: 12
    +3
    Yes, no ... Those who were not allowed in for a long time left. The percentage of outflow of citizens of the Russian Federation is relatively stable from year to year. It’s another matter that the emigration authorities of the West haven’t been in favor of emigrants from Russia lately and in every way slowed down their influx ... Most likely, some restrictions were lifted.
  25. andrejwz
    andrejwz 17 November 2014 10: 32
    +2
    As a rule, these are active, proactive, energetic people. Under ordinary conditions, they move forward business, science and sport in their country. In our conditions, they prefer to develop the above-mentioned areas in other countries. To the question why they answer simply: a big gain, plus there is no Russian rudeness, arbitrariness and bureaucracy. Can not argue with that. It is difficult to blame people for not wanting to bang their heads against the wall and prefer to go where there is no wall.

    Yes, these are people "active, proactive, energetic" in search of a passage where there is no wall. As a rule, they are distinguished by high "creativity" and a disregard for what they themselves say, so underestimated, came out. They are ready to live for several people in an apartment, to move on foot, forced to monitor what they eat and how much it costs, but THERE. In the hope that after a certain time they will have what they cannot have at home right now: high-status housing, a car and other creative "values". Being part of the crowd there is not for you here.
    Not all cases are the same, but it is not necessary to convince me of the unconditional correctness of their attitude to the surrounding reality.
  26. lovimoment
    lovimoment 17 November 2014 10: 33
    -6
    Damn, it may sound a little not beautiful, but I really know who goes abroad)) attention is prostitutes! Ask where is the information from? So from personal experience communicating with representatives of this profession)) but in general I know a few people who want to leave their homeland for a better life. I can only say GO !! Scatter further all these Western payments for democracy))
  27. Andchevh
    Andchevh 17 November 2014 10: 42
    +4
    Why are they all needed! Well, I would have believed in these fairy tales if I hadn’t had reliable information from people living in America or Europe! There’s nowhere to put my specialists there, but they look at ours as cheap unskilled labor! For example, my fighter who was a long time ago lives in Spain, specializes in climate technology, he is Moldovan himself, but Romanian citizenship was normal before the crisis, now Spain has a full ass job! Foreigners are there for .... ep are not needed, there is no work for their own! A childhood friend lives in the States, tells everything in a similar way! So these fairy tales leave, maybe they leave, but how much does it take to get salt? ??? It always has been! It’s always possible for strangers to get along well, but with a normal head you can in Russia it’s okay to live !! My daughter and husband wanted to move to Europe, but people were sober-minded, they went on tour trips to one or another country, they came to the conclusion. Nobody really needs our specialists there !!
    1. dark_flame
      dark_flame 17 November 2014 13: 31
      +8
      my friends in 1999 went to california to the whole family and live there now, and most importantly, they did not notice the crisis as such. I have a daughter, not much older than me, she got a license for a long time and drives her own car, now she goes to pilot courses to get a license. But I live in a crawl and think of buying a new phone, going to study for the right or not spending money and eating normally. That’s the whole difference.
      1. Intsurfer
        Intsurfer 17 November 2014 13: 57
        +4
        >> and most importantly, they did not notice the crisis as such
        In 2008, in the midst of the crisis, a colleague traveled to Germany for relatives. I tried to pin him up on the crisis there, like they rotted there completely or what. :) The answer was the same - that in the world they know some kind of crisis only from the news. But they do not work as janitors there, but in a large enterprise.
  28. Intsurfer
    Intsurfer 17 November 2014 10: 45
    +14
    1. Something none of the familiar IT employees who have left for different countries are going to return.

    2. I was thinking of starting my own small business on the topic of my hobby. He considered it, estimated income and it turned out that it’s cheaper not to do anything. :( No, if I already had some kind of income-generating business, it would be possible to stir up. But to quit my main job (plus part-time jobs) and rush into the pool, risking the relative well-being of the family, I’m personally not ready yet .

    3. IMHO - the main reason for the current emigration is that it left a sense of perspective... You know that no matter how you work (and it is impossible to work 20 hours a day), you will not live better, but there will be all sorts of officials with their successful business relatives, deputies with their astronomical salaries, and others sitting in the very budget pie . And while you are just floundering, spinning, etc., but not for development and movement forward, but just to not fall down ...
    1. anip
      anip 17 November 2014 12: 06
      +5
      Quote: intsurfer
      Something none of the familiar IT employees who have left for different countries are going to return.

      Right I myself have such friends. They have been living in Canada for over 10 years.

      Quote: intsurfer
      But I am not ready yet to give up my main job (plus part-time jobs) and throw myself in a pool, risking the relative well-being of the family.

      Wow !!! Similarly, the truth is there are no side jobs.

      Quote: intsurfer
      IMHO - the main reason for the current emigration is that the feeling of perspective has gone ... You know that no matter how hard you work (and it’s impossible to work 20 hours a day), you won’t live better, but there will be all sorts of officials with their successful business relatives , deputies with their astronomical salaries and others sitting in the very budget pie. And while you are just floundering, spinning, etc., but not for development and movement forward, but just to not fall down ...

      With whom in the last two years they hadn’t talked about similar topics (people around 50 +6), they came to the same conclusion and were simply going with the flow at work, because they were tired of fighting, seeing how others were collecting the fruits of their labor.
    2. dark_flame
      dark_flame 17 November 2014 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: intsurfer
      1. Something none of the familiar IT employees who have left for different countries are going to return.


      I will add NSTU, of course, not NSU, but even here the teachers do not hide that some of us will leave.
      1. Intsurfer
        Intsurfer 17 November 2014 19: 58
        0
        >> I will add NSTU, of course, not NSU, but even here the teachers do not hide the fact that some of us will leave.

        at the end of the 90s I almost fell into the states, but the level of knowledge of spoken English was not enough - I didn’t get a few points out of 50. And the technical knowledge was quite good then. And yes, I graduated from NSTU :) And then also NSU.
        1. saag
          saag 17 November 2014 20: 00
          0
          Quote: intsurfer
          at the end of the 90s I almost fell into the states, but the level of knowledge of spoken English was not enough - I didn’t get a few points out of 50.

          And I tried for fun in Australia, I also did not get points because of the language and age
          1. Intsurfer
            Intsurfer 17 November 2014 20: 05
            0
            then there was a general arctic fox ... at the enterprise the salary was delayed for 2 months, the wife on maternity leave with her son. The pot was bought with the last money the day before the paycheck. :)
  29. saag
    saag 17 November 2014 10: 45
    +11
    People leave because they don’t see where the country is going, or rather, where the powers that be are going to lead, there is nothing worse than the unknown and unpredictability of tomorrow, and nothing has been done to rectify this situation
  30. kit-kat
    kit-kat 17 November 2014 10: 47
    -9
    I consider such people to be traitors. Instead of building a normal life in Russia, these creatures, having received in the country everything that is possible and impossible, throw it at the mercy of officials and bandits.
    1. Intsurfer
      Intsurfer 17 November 2014 11: 04
      +6
      >> they throw it at the mercy of officials and bandits.
      Well, not everyone wants their "liver to be smeared on the asphalt" (C) Sands at rallies ... Therefore, all the indignation went back to the kitchens. Only here is a system in which there is no feedback, as a rule, goes wild. Apparently, economists and lawyers just skipped lectures on systems management theory (if they had them, of course). :)
    2. Karabanov
      Karabanov 17 November 2014 13: 42
      0
      Quote: kit-kat
      having received in the country everything that is possible and impossible

      It is read with irony ...
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 17 November 2014 17: 18
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Patriotism has nothing to do with it, they throw our country (in the slang sense of the word), these critters grew up, studied, ALL got in Russia, and work for another country.
        Related Videos:
        Quote: Setrac
        The employing country must pay the host country.
        Here in more detail, and then from the Republic of Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation, he also moves a lot .. repeat laughing
  31. Nicoloo
    Nicoloo 17 November 2014 10: 48
    +8
    Only half of the list from anip can already be packed. And this is not a yellow press, it is taxes and government policy. It is also necessary to recall agriculture, which has been in a deep hole for a long time and still does not see anything better, only Medvedev's promises "Now you have a chance" ... to work even more for 6 r / l of milk.
  32. Mwg
    Mwg 17 November 2014 10: 51
    +5
    We need to tighten the system of state-employee-employer relations, to respond more strictly to violations of the Labor Code by the employer. And then Art. in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for non-payment of s / n is, and attracted under this Article no. The article does not work. Today, in the country, workers are virtually defenseless. In relations, fines of employees flourish, non-payment of pension contributions, retention of work books after dismissal, combination of posts without additional payment, non-provision of regular vacations and non-payment of them, processing - this is practically not paid by anyone at all.
    At the same time, in more or less significant commercial organizations, the recruitment of relatives of "necessary people" is thriving, who, naturally, do not fulfill their duties, but only receive a salary. Such is the hidden form of mutually beneficial relationships with the "right people". Naturally, the uncompleted work falls on the shoulders of the subordinate personnel completely free of charge.
    In federal institutions, the wage system is handed over to top managers at their discretion, who report to the state on an average. The manager has a salary of 3 million (for example), and the employee has 12 thousand. Average 3012 million: 2 = 1506 million. Cheers, we have such high salaries, they reported. Everyone is happy. And in fact, the employee must beg for the increase of salary in any way possible or quit. It is necessary for federal institutions to return to tariffing of s / n, otherwise smart and self-appreciating workers will go to free bread, including to go to other countries where they are given an adequate assessment.
    1. zvědavost
      zvědavost 17 November 2014 18: 34
      +1
      I can agree with the picture you painted only from a part. The smart, educated and capable for the most part do not work for hire. They have been doing their job for a long time. They are the basis of small business. The rest of the trouble is that they are compromisers. They all understand perfectly when they get a job, but they begin to be indignant when in reality they get what they were promised (salary in an envelope, lack of social benefits, etc.). Why pity those who are socially passive? To feel sorry and support is necessary only for those whom fate has offended (disabled people, pensioners). Any employer will tell you how difficult it is to find a qualified employee right now. Catastrophic illiteracy of people with diplomas is observed. There are a lot of reasons, of course, but I am amazed that people relieve themselves of responsibility for such a result of studies. We always have someone to blame, not me. Labor productivity in all areas is low, labor discipline is catastrophic. And I’m not only talking about privates. This is observed at all stages of the production structure. I personally do not want to work with the Sharikovs who do not know how. I select staff according to the principle: if only the trainee was. And then I spend a lot of time on staff training. Why do I need such torment, explain? Here's an oil painting for you - the view of the employer. Compare and do not chop hot, do not draw premature conclusions. Man is responsible for his fate. If you do not want to do this, you will find yourself in a knockout, but then do not complain. No one is obliged to drag a loafer and stupor on his hump. The time of social egalitarianism ended long ago, when everyone had their needs. And the majority is waiting for the state to take it away from someone and divide it into everyone. The dictatorship of officials can only give you this, take it from someone, take 80% for yourself, and the rest at the mercy of the rest.
  33. zmeigavrila
    zmeigavrila 17 November 2014 11: 00
    +17
    You work in Russia, do your favorite thing, and you even have some kind of income. And you don’t need anything from the authorities. But no, you have to! So as not to try to strangle you and interfere with your work. And you, by the way, gave everything to the state, what is supposed. And even a little health left in 2001 near Bamut.
    And when it's time to update all sorts of licenses and everything else a thick muzzle turns you on and says it's worth it
    your annual turnover. And ... deleted by the moderator ... to all for leasing machines, people working for you, and even for the specific benefit that you bring to the state. Deeply. and who is betraying whom?
    1. soaring
      soaring 17 November 2014 14: 15
      +2
      zmeigavrila, totally agree !!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++
      And every mordovorot considers himself a navel, without his signature you can’t do anything! Alas, the truth of life! Bitter truth....
  34. Tribuns
    Tribuns 17 November 2014 11: 05
    +10
    There is no need to draw hasty conclusions and blame all non-patriots for not patriotism ...
    Personally, everyone understands the reasons for the departure of the Russian nouveau riche to the West with looted money, the russophobes pressed by the authorities or the compromised leaders of the fifth column of the West in Russia ... They are disgusting for the Russians and without them it will be easier to breathe in Russia ... Russia is ruled by a corrupt bureaucracy with its "cuts" and "kickbacks" and until all the corridors of Russian power there will be not professional leaders in specific fields of technology, science and education, but current appointing leaders from "effective" managers who do not think about business, but about personal enrichment, creative or creative Russians feel uncomfortable in Russia and look longingly at the West ... Moreover, everyone understands that it is impossible for these creative people to change the thinking of the authorities by refusing the services of "effective" managers-destroyers of our country , especially since the pro-Western liberals are still sitting in the government in their warm places ... Hence the irritated statement by pr Dmitry Medvedev's speech: “Good road, go! Not in the sense that you are not needed, but if you see this way for yourself, why should we grab you by the hand "... Until the concept of placing people at command posts at all levels" not on the principle of personal loyalty "changes in Russia (albeit thieving, but their own) the Western concept of "placement of personnel according to professional data" for the creative personalities of our country will remain the reality: "we left, we are leaving and we will leave" ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 17 November 2014 12: 34
      -6
      Quote: TribunS
      There is no need to draw hasty conclusions and blame all non-patriots for not patriotism ...

      Patriotism has nothing to do with it, they throw our country (in the slang sense of the word), these critters grew up, studied, ALL got in Russia, and work for another country. Why are football players bought for millions, and our countries and scientists get free countries from other countries?
      The employing country must pay the host country.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 17 November 2014 14: 01
        +2
        Quote: Setrac

        Patriotism has nothing to do with it, they throw our country (in the slang sense of the word), these critters grew up, studied, ALL got in Russia, and work for another country. Why are football players bought for millions, and our countries and scientists get free countries from other countries?
        The employing country must pay the host country.

        but let me know what you got? The leaving people had a dad and mother who fed and dressed them, who paid taxes due to which their children studied. Then, if a not quite young man leaves, then he worked, paid taxes, and supported himself. What are the claims? By the way, experts from Western countries come to Russia, but this is not a protest from you.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 17 November 2014 14: 32
          -2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The leaving people had a dad and mother who fed and dressed them, who paid taxes due to which their children studied.

          I suggest you go to Antarctica and live, let's see how dad and mom can give you everything without a state and society.

          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          By the way, experts from Western countries come to Russia, but this is not a protest from you.

          The difference is orders of magnitude, there is no equality here.
      2. Island
        Island 17 November 2014 22: 14
        +1
        and so - once everything became CREATIVE ......
  35. Rakti-kali
    Rakti-kali 17 November 2014 11: 23
    -7
    Mlyayat! How already the apologists have become disgusted with the idea of ​​"everything has disappeared to do it!" By office. According to statistics, about 12.000 people left for permanent residence abroad (and these are not only those who left forever, but also those who left for more than six months for work or for medical treatment or for some other reason, but are not going to change citizenship or stay abroad forever ). The rest are just tourists.
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  37. Sasha Belyaeva
    Sasha Belyaeva 17 November 2014 11: 29
    -1
    Quote: lovimoment
    Damn, it may sound a little not beautiful, but I really know who goes abroad)) attention is prostitutes! Ask where is the information from? So from personal experience communicating with representatives of this profession)) but in general I know a few people who want to leave their homeland for a better life. I can only say GO !! Scatter further all these Western payments for democracy))

  38. Brother
    Brother 17 November 2014 11: 41
    +3
    The wave of emigration? Is everyone leaving? И?

    Em... Em... how to put it ?! ... I don’t really care who left there, because... how would I just do not care... that's all. A person has the right to leave where he is (choose the option yourself): bad, disgusting, not happy ... and so on. I am completely neutral to the word "leave" (I used to despise "those who left", I considered them weak, "offended" and, in fact, collaborators, but time passes and people grow wiser, really getting smarter, I would have seen myself five years ago, I would have simply kicked off (him, i.e. myself wassat) for the dullness of the brain, if you could), do what you want, just do not act rashly and in your hearts, otherwise here and now in the trolleybus they stepped on your foot (and did not apologize), and tomorrow "there" you will be hit by a car ( and this "there" as it happens with us, unexpectedly right?).

    PS Migrants, sincerely wish "there" real happiness!
  39. 70BSN
    70BSN 17 November 2014 11: 47
    +7
    Here you can give examples a lot about why people leave !!! But there is one 100% provision that the State, the Regional bureaucrat, does not need ordinary people in every sense of life .... Since most hard workers, well, or people have to not only LIVE, but TO SURVIVE IN OUR COUNTRY !!!

    Take even those moments, if you want a business to do that, pay that one, another, fifth, tenth. Then there will be a corridor to you in business, and if you are on the right track along the bus, then keep the sticks in wheels !!!
  40. Intsurfer
    Intsurfer 17 November 2014 12: 13
    0
    here's another topic
    http://daily.rbc.ru/opinions/society/17/11/2014/546739abcbb20f27df078a6f
  41. DP5A
    DP5A 17 November 2014 12: 14
    +4
    I am one of those who have returned. He left in 1991 when it became clear that the country would die. Wimp. The country has survived.

    Why come back? Because for our well-being there we pay with the souls of our children. And if not children (who graduated from our school), then certainly the souls of grandchildren. Who didn’t live like that is hard to explain. There everyone becomes spiritual freaks. So I lost my nephew (graduated from high school in the SGA). For him, the Russian Federation has become a country of freaks, but the SGA is just the darling and savior of mankind.

    When my daughter began to play dolls while speaking in English, I realized that I urgently needed to save her.

    Over the past 20 years he has met many.
    I knew one dissident. Real. There are few of them. He sat in Soviet times for posting proclamations for democracy in Volgograd. A real democrat, Orthodox and active person. Then he moved to the SGA, lived a little there, looked at all this stuff and reforged into a washista.
    If in addition to barbecue with beer you don’t need anything in life and do not feel sorry for anything dear to yourself, go west.

    You can’t imagine how muddy with pus the RF and the USSR are pouring all the Jewish emigration to the Central Soviet Union. There they are not shy in expressions. In the last 10 years, the Slavs also went. For those who shout that it’s a loss, stay safe guys. I repeat, you can’t even imagine how many evil hyenas freed the country from its stench. Those who love their country, their people, and not cheap beer will remain. We need to build and protect our country. Not all rhinestones will work out.
  42. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 17 November 2014 12: 17
    +3
    According to the Federal State Statistics Service, 203659 people left Russia from January to August. (Quote)
    Which year?

    I read the article carefully. The statistics that are presented in it are crafty and show the situation not objectively, but one-sided.
    But let the author give not general, but specific figures. Which countries have left, how many, for what purposes.
    And at the same time let him indicate links to the official source.
    Probably the purpose of the article is simply to throw misinformation in order to inflame panic among the Internet audience in general and VO readers in particular. Or at least leave a negative precipitate in the mind, for the same purpose.
    Such techniques are often used in the information war, as an element of influence on the mass consciousness of the population.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 17 November 2014 12: 51
      -1
      People run away because they cannot create their own business, only "unrecognized geniuses" are running, entirely talented specialists, etc.-trully ... blah, blah, blah ... laughing It is necessary to freeze this.

      And where do they all run?
      In the territory where there is fierce competition in the high-tech industries, and who graduated from the "behind-the-ear" diploma of our university (they are not quoted in the West at all), God forbid they only trust the floors to rub?

      Where are the draconian tax laws? And if God forbid you don’t pay, they will shut you down for a long time.
      Where, for concealing their income in offshore, give really considerable criminal terms?
      Where, for just one hint on the principle of "commander, can we agree?", Anyone can get as much for giving a bribe as in Russia they don't give for premeditated murder?
      Where a neighbor openly "knocks" on a neighbor to the police because he looked askance at him, or he just doesn't like it?
      This is where they run, where for one careless movement any cop can make a hole in his head without "b"?
      They’ll run there, where at any station they can put cancer against the wall without clothes and insert a probe into any hole to check if you are transporting something forbidden inside your body?

      Then for those whose life credo is cancer for the sake of the common good and in the name of "universal human democracy", we who remain say - WELCOME !!! Welcome my friend, you are in for a great cause! fellow laughing
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 17 November 2014 13: 04
        -2
        By order of viewers-seekers of a better life:

        wink
      2. dark_flame
        dark_flame 17 November 2014 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: wanderer_032

        And where do they all run?
        In the territory where there is fierce competition in the high-tech industries, and who graduated from the "behind-the-ear" diploma of our university (they are not quoted in the West at all), God forbid they only trust the floors to rub?

        Apparently you don’t know that there is such a thing called ECTS belay , for example, in NSTU and NSU it is and this thing says that the diploma of these universities is equivalent to the diploma of European universities belay imagine what a nuisancebelay.
        wassat
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 17 November 2014 14: 45
          -1
          Quote: dark_flame
          in NSTU and NSU


          And it's all? Only two universities from: According to the data for 2008, there were 1134 state and non-state universities and 1663 branches in which 7 513 119 people studied. Https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Russia

          And all ran together and ... wassat laughing

          Quote: dark_flame
          there is such a thing called ECTS


          Quote: dark_flame
          it is and this thing says that the diploma of these universities is equivalent to the diploma of European universities


          Perhaps, but only due to the economic situation that has developed in the EU countries over the past six months and due to the "bullet" of sanctions commissioned by the State Television and Radio Broadcasting Agency of the intergalactic common human "civilization", EU production in high-tech industries has slightly decreased. It has not yet come to mass layoffs, but demand has already fallen for such products as cars, watercraft, aircraft, construction special equipment and other mechanical engineering products.
          For the same reasons, agricultural production declined.
          Tell me in this situation, when it comes to fried, who will be left to work in the EU?
          Are there any immigrants or local ones? And are companies from the EU ready to accept, in this situation, even specialists from immigrants if they are already available as completely as uncut dogs, who are ready to gnaw any throat for their work (or click on a quiet one, sit down, merge for the smallest jamb wink)

          1. dark_flame
            dark_flame 17 November 2014 15: 14
            +2
            Quote: wanderer_032

            And it's all? Only two universities from: According to the data for 2008, there were 1134 state and non-state universities and 1663 branches in which 7 513 119 people studied. Https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Russia
            And all ran together and ... wassat laughing

            I won’t guess, you want to know the exact amount by google. hi
            We answer further
            Quote: wanderer_032

            Perhaps, but only due to the economic situation that has developed in the EU countries over the past six months and due to the "bullet" of sanctions commissioned by the State Television and Radio Broadcasting Agency of the intergalactic common human "civilization", EU production in high-tech industries has slightly decreased. It has not yet come to mass layoffs, but demand has already fallen for such products as cars, watercraft, aircraft, construction special equipment and other mechanical engineering products.
            For the same reasons, agricultural production declined.
            Tell me in this situation, when it comes to fried, who will be left to work in the EU?
            Are there any immigrants or local ones? And are companies from the EU ready to accept, in this situation, even specialists from immigrants if they are already available as completely as uncut dogs, who are ready to gnaw any throat for their work (or click on a quiet one, sit down, merge for the smallest jamb wink)

            Yes, even if you’re right, which I doubt, but after all, specialists in the IT sphere mostly leave specialists yes , and it will always be relevant belay , or you live in a parallel universe where everyone goes fool . Honestly maybe a car mechanic or a railroad worker is not needed there request , well, a good programmer is worth its weight in gold yes , and no one cares what nationality he is belay .
            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 17 November 2014 15: 38
              0
              Quote: dark_flame
              IT specialists


              There is no doubt that in society, everything is needed and everything is important, but frank nagging of some fellow citizens honestly annoying already.
              My school friend lives in St. Petersburg, also works in the IT sector, receives about 3 green kilo-rubles a month and does not buzz, he lives for his pleasure.

              So do not tell fables about how badly IT-workers live in Russia. This is one of the highest paid professions in our country.

              Quote: dark_flame
              google


              I don’t use Google, I don’t like it.

              Quote: dark_flame
              a good programmer worth its weight in gold


              Any special. in his profession, if he really is, worth its weight in gold.
              Or do you think that all industries, agriculture and services for the population in the world should function, only programmers are needed?

              Then you wrote it to yourself.
              Quote: dark_flame
              you live in a parallel universe
              1. dark_flame
                dark_flame 17 November 2014 16: 30
                +2
                The IT sphere is a broad concept, for example, security specialists work in the private lab, my specialization is the development of operating systems, and what they develop in Russia is not, but for example in America they are developing.
                Quote: wanderer_032
                So do not tell fables about how badly IT-workers live in Russia. This is one of the highest paid professions in our country.

                Then why is the majority leaving and not returning?
                Quote: wanderer_032
                Any special. in his profession, if he really is, worth its weight in gold.
                Or do you think that all industries, agriculture and services for the population in the world should function, only programmers are needed?

                strange before that you said the following
                Quote: wanderer_032
                Perhaps, but only due to the economic situation that has developed in the EU countries over the past six months and due to the "bullet" of sanctions commissioned by the State Television and Radio Broadcasting Agency of the intergalactic common human "civilization", EU production in high-tech industries has slightly decreased. It has not yet come to mass layoffs, but demand has already fallen for such products as cars, watercraft, aircraft, construction special equipment and other mechanical engineering products.
                For the same reasons, agricultural production declined.
                Tell me in this situation, when it comes to fried, who will be left to work in the EU?
                Are there any immigrants or local ones? And are companies from the EU ready to accept, in this situation, even specialists from immigrants if they are already available as completely as uncut dogs, who are ready to gnaw any throat for their work (or click on a quiet one, sit down, merge for the smallest joint wink)

                Quote: wanderer_032
                Then you wrote it to yourself.
                Quote: dark_flame
                you live in a parallel universe

                1. wanderer_032
                  wanderer_032 17 November 2014 17: 54
                  0
                  Quote: dark_flame
                  my specialization is the development of operating systems


                  A very popular occupation in our country at the current time, and if you have a high school education you cannot think of how to implement your ideas in order to develop and introduce into mass use Russian OSs for Russian PCs, smartphones and other gadgets that will be kicked out of the Russian Windows market , Mac, Linux, etc. etc., then it’s worthless to you as a specialist in the development of operating systems. Where are your guys brains? AUUU ???
                  Of course, it is easier to blame for the "hillock", or sit and smear your own country, where you were born and raised, whine that they don't give anything, they don't pay money, and so on. etc.

                  I’ll tell you more, you don’t have the spirit to set such a goal in your professional activities. To bend all foreign companies, at least in Russia, and to produce their products so that they are in demand by people and are in stable demand.

                  You are used to whining that the state does not give you money.
                  Or maybe Gates gave the state money, or Jobs, when they were still unknown to anyone? I don’t think so.
                  They themselves made their way and achieved the fact that their products are in demand all over the world. At the same time, they also made decent money on this.

                  Quote: dark_flame
                  strange before that you said the following


                  I'm not going to go anywhere. I was born in Russia, I live in Russia and I will also die in Russia. I have nothing to do behind the "hillock".
                  And I wrote this because those who think that manna from heaven will fall behind their "mound" in the form of big salary and other "nishtyaks", take off their rose-colored glasses and look at the situation with their own eyes, as well as think with their brains.

                  No one is chained and held here by force, whoever wants to let him ride.
                  1. saag
                    saag 17 November 2014 18: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    for Russian PCs, smartphones and other gadgets

                    And where is this ??? And what did Linux not please you?
                    1. wanderer_032
                      wanderer_032 17 November 2014 20: 09
                      -1
                      Quote: saag
                      And what did Linux not please you?


                      I personally have no complaints about the OS itself. But:

                      Linus Benedict Torvalds, or Turvalds (Swede. Linus Benedict Torvalds [ˈliːn.ɵs ˈtuːr.valds] (i); December 28, 1969, Helsinki, Finland) - Finnish-American programmer, hacker.https: //ru.wikipedia.org/ wiki / Torvalds, _Linus

                      Purely Russian name and surname of its developer. laughing
                      Where are our OS and software for home PCs, etc. etc.? request
                      Just like the PCs themselves, hardware for them and everything else. recourse

                      And so, only one whining of "unrecognized geniuses" and oppressed "bright minds".
                      Why Kalashnikov M.T., Gryazev V.P., Shipunov A.G., Invincible S.P., Mikheev S.V. and many other wonderful people did not run over the "hill"?
                      And they stayed here and did their job.
                      1. saag
                        saag 17 November 2014 20: 15
                        0
                        Quote: wanderer_032
                        Where are our OS and software for home PCs, etc. etc.?

                        Well, it didn’t occur to anyone to write an OS, in fact, he was not going to write it, he needed a terminal for remote access to a university computer, he started writing it, and he went and went, then he needed Posix standards and he wasn’t going to have questions whether he wrote an operating system, and began to sculpt it with the whole world. And applications write, for example, take the same 1C
                      2. wanderer_032
                        wanderer_032 17 November 2014 20: 36
                        0
                        Details are not important. Only the essence is important.
                        And it is such that this OS began to enjoy success and gained wide distribution, including outside other countries. And it also gave its developer good means of existence and the ability to carry out their new creative ideas.
                        That is the main thing.
                  2. dark_flame
                    dark_flame 17 November 2014 19: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: wanderer_032

                    A very popular occupation in our country at the current time, and if you have a high school education you cannot think of how to implement your ideas in order to develop and introduce into mass use Russian OSs for Russian PCs, smartphones and other gadgets that will be kicked out of the Russian Windows market , Mac, Linux, etc. etc., then it’s worthless to you as a specialist in the development of operating systems. Where are your guys brains? AUUU ???
                    Of course, it is easier to blame for the "hillock", or sit and smear your own country, where you were born and raised, whine that they don't give anything, they don't pay money, and so on. etc.

                    Maykorosovt was created long ago by Windows too, but in each new version of this system the old ones are fixed, and it happens that by fixing one you create another, which will come out in a year or two. And now to create an alternative from scratch, you need a couple of decades and a lot of money.
                    Quote: wanderer_032

                    I’ll tell you more, you don’t have the spirit to set such a goal in your professional activities. To bend all foreign companies, at least in Russia, and to produce their products so that they are in demand by people and are in stable demand.

                    Have you heard anything on elbrus? This is a Soviet computer, now the 3rd generation is in the academic campus, academics have long been looking for sponsors to continue development, because the government only promises, and they need a lot, and it will take time not a day or two.
                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    You are used to whining that the state does not give you money.

                    Well, I don’t know about you, but I don’t have trillions in my wallet,
                    and the government only promises.
                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    Or maybe Gates gave the state money, or Jobs, when they were still unknown to anyone? I don’t think so.
                    They themselves made their way and achieved the fact that their products are in demand all over the world. At the same time, they also made decent money on this.

                    Read about them in more detail and think about whether you can do it now.
                    1. wanderer_032
                      wanderer_032 17 November 2014 20: 23
                      -3
                      Quote: dark_flame
                      Have you heard anything on elbrus? This is a Soviet computer, now the 3rd generation is in the academic campus, academics have long been looking for sponsors to continue development, because the government only promises, and they need a lot, and it will take time not a day or two.


                      I heard. We must make our own way, and not wait until the good fairies arrive and bring everything on a plate with a "blue border".



                      Quote: dark_flame
                      Read about them in more detail and think about whether you can do it now.


                      For three hundred years now, I couldn’t rest on it. I do not work in the field of IT, I have a different specialization.
                      You need to read about it and think about it. Not for me.
                      1. dark_flame
                        dark_flame 17 November 2014 20: 55
                        +2
                        Quote: wanderer_032

                        For three hundred years now, I couldn’t rest on it. I do not work in the field of IT, I have a different specialization.

                        So you yourself said that you were working in a different field, so why then say that it would be easy to create a computer if you don’t know what it consists of. why give me an example of Steve Jops and Bill Heitz, if you don’t know how they achieved everything.
                      2. dark_flame
                        dark_flame 17 November 2014 21: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: wanderer_032

                        I heard. We must make our own way, and not wait until the good fairies arrive and bring everything on a plate with a "blue border".

                        So why give me advice, if you don’t know all the pitfalls, that’s all that, without understanding your profession, I gave you advice on how to work more efficiently. It looks silly from the side.
                      3. wanderer_032
                        wanderer_032 17 November 2014 22: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: dark_flame
                        So you yourself said that you were working in a different field, so why then say that it would be easy to create a computer if you don’t know what it consists of.


                        Maybe as a professional I don’t know, but I don’t need it. At the user level, I know pretty well. I have been familiar with BT since the time of the ZX Spectrum and am dealing with it. For me, a PC is just a tool for getting the information I need and a means of communication, as well as a medium for spending leisure time.

                        Quote: dark_flame
                        So why give me advice, if you don’t know all the pitfalls, that’s all that, without understanding your profession, I gave you advice on how to work more efficiently. It looks silly from the side.


                        Why did you decide that I give you advice?
                        About the pitfalls is according to your profile. I just expressed my opinion, as a view from the side.
                        As for the "oppressed" talents and unrecognized "geniuses" who are "sticking in their wheels" only in Russia, I hear such whining not only from the IT sphere, but from others too.
                        And for the sake of interest, you look for the life stories of such people as design engineers Kamov Nikolai Ilyich, Alekseev Rostislav Evgenievich, Kartsev Leonid Nikolaevich and take an interest in what it cost them to realize their creative ideas.
                        And I think that all your "insults" will seem petty and worthless to you, if of course you consider yourself an intellectual.


                        Here is a movie, see how the information for consideration:


                        Pay attention to those moments of what efforts, Nikolai Ilyich Kamov was worth defending and to ensure that his cars got the right to exist.
                        And compare that with yours and others like you about "a hard and hard life."
                      4. dark_flame
                        dark_flame 18 November 2014 13: 13
                        0
                        There is no need to give examples that do not relate to reality, as they say, "If you do not know the ford, do not poke your nose into the water."
  43. ed65b
    ed65b 17 November 2014 12: 19
    +1
    and then they take away the cries of children, marry them on donkeys, the bulk of those fleeing abroad eke out a miserable existence, interrupting from water to bread. But they don’t go back for one simple reason. Fairy tales a la 90 with honey and jelly banks leave for Ukraine. And by the way, it will be much easier for a working person to get a job than a manager or IT specialist. And how many of our athletes there just disappeared over the hill. Of the dozens of talented boxers, only a few others broke through and threw greedy managers into the garbage dump. So this is not a problem, but the country’s descaling.
  44. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 17 November 2014 12: 27
    -2
    The main question is: Why is this happening?
    Since people do not feel comfortable in this country! Do not feel the country of their homeland!
    She is the motherland for such woodpeckers, such as Medvedev. I don’t want to talk about his partner, so as not to cause a howl. Although he is the main problem of the country. Irreplaceable and very correct, to all pensioners the favorite ruler. But the result of the board is still too deplorable. In almost all areas, except their own rating.
    You have to deal with your own people, your own country - industry, agriculture, education, medicine, etc. etc.
    Then people would aspire to this country. On it would be equal. We would like to be friends with her.
    Then there would not have been this mess on the borders. With Ukraine, the Baltic states, Moldova, Central Asia.
    There is no need to drag here Asians. Do not make Tashkent and Almaty from St. Petersburg and Moscow.
    Therefore, people are coming from here!
    1. 70BSN
      70BSN 17 November 2014 12: 38
      +4
      Yes, to take a small moment of the most important thing, the children swing the parent from the parents during the whole growth, but you all want to give your child an education which costs a lot of money today!

      And the question is, well, where do you look at the STATE ??? And I think on my expanding budget (POCKET) !!!
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 17 November 2014 13: 52
      +4
      Quote: Dan Slav
      Therefore, people are coming from here!

      Well, and apparently you haven’t run away yet? And another 140 million are also worthless, but what can I say rubbish there. didn’t you kindly speak tea? catch minus.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 17 November 2014 14: 43
        +1
        Quote: ed65b
        And another 140 million worthless too,

        People who could not arrange their lives at home, for some reason, think that they can do it somewhere else.
      2. Dan Slav
        Dan Slav 17 November 2014 15: 16
        +1
        Alas, I didn’t run.
        It is kept here by an interesting work, which is still there, but almost no one needs it anymore, the people around are the good people who are less and less, old parents, young children.
        Yes, and not young to run.
        But there is an understanding of what is happening in the country. And we already saw it, passed.
        And yelling in ecstasy jerks in Germany then died on the battlefields, almost everything!
        And how they screamed and shouted, how they pulled the handle up!
  45. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 17 November 2014 12: 40
    +3
    Quote: Dmitry T
    A good friend of mine who returned from Canada, after 7 years of living, said: "If you want to die in soul, go away !!!" I, of course, do not understand his words, but the niece who met them said that he crawled on his knees and kissed the ground. And before leaving, he was also an antipatriot. So it goes.




    So, because one should not be mistaken and go there, as to "earthly paradise". And not everyone makes money there. But if it works out, then this is a prosperous old age and a better life for children. These are not our 4000 pensions and 100-odd rubles child benefit. Unfortunately ...
  46. Nayhas
    Nayhas 17 November 2014 12: 40
    +6
    The funny thing is that all those who left "there" are always traitors and superfluous people among patriots (like it was better without them), but when those who left start to roar all over the world, they immediately become Russians among patriots (regardless of their real nationality). I remember how, after Game and Novoselov received the Nobel Prize, the patriots immediately "beat themselves in the chest," they say, "they are ours, Russians!" ...
    PS: I met a statement about Isaac Asimov, they say he is ours! Smolensky! ...
  47. an_pearl
    an_pearl 17 November 2014 12: 57
    -3
    rats flee from the ship - an alarming symptom)
    1. dark_flame
      dark_flame 17 November 2014 13: 57
      +3
      Quote: an_pearl
      rats flee from the ship - an alarming symptom)

      Rats have long run away, now smart are running.
  48. Prikaz4ikov1992
    Prikaz4ikov1992 17 November 2014 13: 14
    +12
    You can curse these people as much as you want, but! But let's admit ourselves that we don't have a high enough standard of living and our country is frankly uncomfortable for living (it's not about the climate), simply because this is a problem that needs to be addressed. The main problem is comfort, because in terms of income, in principle, we are located at the average European level. Means what is included in the main problem. 1 number of cattle on the streets (gopniks with gangster habits, drunken company in every yard in the evenings and on weekends, Caucasians at the end are morose, migrants). 2 bureaucracy (a lot of people complain about corruption, which, at the same time, few have seen it, but they say little about how to get some kind of certificate, you need to defend a lot of time and everywhere require a lot of documents, while the speed of work is extremely low). 3 unkempt and frankly ugly cities that create not the most pleasant atmosphere for life (at the same time, both new buildings and old buildings are simply terrible and no one in the Russian Federation has even heard of urbanism). 4 inadequate pricing policy of retail chains and, in general, all stores (when in different stores the same product may cost differently, this greatly reduces the purchase price). 5 disrespect and rudeness at the interpersonal level. 6 the presence of the principle "I am the boss, you are a doctor, you are a boss, I am a doctor." We simply have to solve all these problems. About myself I can say only one thing without the Russian Federation of my life I do not know my country will leave and I will go to the grave with it.
    1. Tamparu
      Tamparu 17 November 2014 13: 32
      +5
      Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992

      You can curse these people as much as you want, but! But let's admit ourselves that we don't have a high enough standard of living and our country is frankly uncomfortable for living (it's not about the climate), simply because this is a problem that needs to be addressed. The main problem is comfort, because in terms of income, in principle, we are located at the average European level. Means what is included in the main problem. 1 number of cattle on the streets (gopniks with gangster habits, drunken company in every yard in the evenings and on weekends, Caucasians at the end are morose, migrants). 2 bureaucracy (a lot of people complain about corruption, which, at the same time, few have seen it, but they say little about how to get some kind of certificate, you need to defend a lot of time and everywhere require a lot of documents, while the speed of work is extremely low). 3 unkempt and frankly ugly cities that create not the most pleasant atmosphere for life (at the same time, both new buildings and old buildings are simply terrible and no one in the Russian Federation has even heard of urbanism). 4 inadequate pricing policy of retail chains and, in general, all stores (when in different stores the same product may cost differently, this greatly reduces the purchase price). 5 disrespect and rudeness at the interpersonal level. 6 the presence of the principle "I am the boss, you are a doctor, you are a boss, I am a doctor." We simply have to solve all these problems. About myself I can say only one thing without the Russian Federation of my life I do not know my country will leave and I will go to the grave with it.


      I agree to 100500% ... hi
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    3. Setrac
      Setrac 17 November 2014 14: 53
      -6
      0. It is a matter of climate and geography.
      1. The number of "cattle" and criminals in other countries is not less.
      2. Bureaucracy is everywhere, but in Europe and the United States much more than in Russia.
      3. It is not necessary to compare "Uryupinsk" with "Singapore", Uryupinsk should be compared with Uryupinsk, and Singapore - with Singapore.
      4. A long logistic shoulder seriously raises the value of goods.
      5. There are in all countries.
      6. So everywhere, this is not a Russian feature.

      So why do people leave the country?
      1. Prikaz4ikov1992
        Prikaz4ikov1992 17 November 2014 15: 26
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        The number of "cattle" and criminals in other countries is not less.

        Lying.

        0. It is a matter of climate and geography.

        Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Alaska, Canada, Finland.

        Bureaucracy is everywhere, but in Europe and the United States much more than in Russia


        Yes? And there, too, you need to run around the city to get the simplest help and stand in the wild lines? You know, when I was 18 I was half-year-old that I’ve been hospitalized in all hospitals. I wanted to join the army myself and then exhausted myself so much that I still remember with horror.

        It is not necessary to compare "Uryupinsk" with "Singapore", Uryupinsk should be compared with Uryupinsk, and Singapore with Singapore.


        Should Uryupinsk be bad? Well, let's compare with the small German and French towns? Yes, we simply do not have such a thing as normal human architecture and there are no cities for people. What is the use of having a lot of money in Moscow? Is it better from this? Luzhkov’s architecture alone became a parable in the languages.

        4. A long logistic shoulder seriously raises the value of goods.

        What does the price have to do with it? We need a price regulator for goods when a dns laptop costs 40 thousand, and in another small store the same laptop costs 26 thousand.

        5. There are in all countries.


        such as ours, I have not even met in Belarus.

        So everywhere, this is not a Russian feature.


        Well then, let's leave everything as it is? Meanwhile, scientists fleeing this will continue to flee.
        1. Tamparu
          Tamparu 17 November 2014 15: 38
          +1
          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992


          4. A long logistic shoulder seriously raises the value of goods.

          What does the price have to do with it? We need a price regulator for goods when a dns laptop costs 40 thousand, and in another small store the same laptop costs 26 thousand.



          What is needed is not a price regulator, but a normal lip-rolling mechanism for Russian supermarkets !!!!!!!!!
          Any manufacturer, in order to get on the counter of some "lousy" supermarket chain, needs so much dough to unfasten !!!!!
          I’m just spinning around in this area and when I found out how much the network, up to now, wants money ... I beg you ... And an ordinary buyer pays for it !!!!
          If these "Wishlist" from supermarkets are screwed to reasonable limits, then the Russian buyer will receive goods 25-40% cheaper !!!!!! Who will do this?
          Everything is simple, Dear ... hi
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 17 November 2014 21: 13
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            Absolutely, absolutely true. As long as we have an American marketing system, it will always be so.
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        3. dark_flame
          dark_flame 17 November 2014 16: 02
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          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992

          Lying.

          Take a trip to Detroit and see how few criminals are there.

          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992

          Yes? And there, too, you need to run around the city to get the simplest help and stand in the wild lines? You know, when I was 18 I was half-year-old that I’ve been hospitalized in all hospitals. I wanted to join the army myself and then exhausted myself so much that I still remember with horror.

          honestly in the same America there is no more than 200 people per doctor, and that we have 1 neurologist per 100, naturally there will be a queue for him.

          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992

          Should Uryupinsk be bad? Well, let's compare with the small German and French towns? Yes, we simply do not have such a thing as normal human architecture and there are no cities for people. What is the use of having a lot of money in Moscow? Is it better from this? Luzhkov’s architecture alone became a parable in the languages.

          In Russia, ugly cities, each has its own idea of ​​beauty and it is not necessary to generalize its idea.

          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992

          What does the price have to do with it? We need a price regulator for goods when a dns laptop costs 40 thousand, and in another small store the same laptop costs 26 thousand.

          Do not confuse the Soviet and modern systems; now the authorities cannot dictate prices in any way.

          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992

          such as ours, I have not even met in Belarus.

          Present everywhere, but somewhere you can write a complaint, but somewhere not

          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992

          Well then, let's leave everything as it is? Meanwhile, scientists fleeing this will continue to flee.

          Scientists do not run, but go where there is every opportunity for their work.
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 17 November 2014 16: 30
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          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992
          Lying.

          What is a lie? This is your lie. Are you just an ideological hater of Russia?
          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992
          Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Alaska, Canada, Finland.

          In all these countries, in those areas where people live, the climate is much warmer and milder than for example in Volgograd.
          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992
          And there, too, you need to run around the city to get the simplest help and stand in the wild lines?

          You probably haven't been to Russia for a long time, but in any country you can find where the lines are.
          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992
          Well, let's compare with the small German and French towns?

          Let's compare with my stanitsa, the most peripheral periphery, your "towns" and not lying around. The pig will find dirt everywhere.
          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992
          in dns laptop costs 40 thousand

          CSN must pay significant amounts for the maintenance of the store, a flea marketer on the market - no, but you will not return the defective product on the market huckster.
          Quote: Prikaz4ikov1992
          such as ours, I have not even met in Belarus.

          Poorly searched, the same as the proverb about a pig.
      2. dark_flame
        dark_flame 17 November 2014 15: 31
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        Quote: Setrac

        1. The number of "cattle" and criminals in other countries is not less.
        2. Bureaucracy is everywhere, but in Europe and the United States much more than in Russia.
        3. It is not necessary to compare "Uryupinsk" with "Singapore", Uryupinsk should be compared with Uryupinsk, and Singapore - with Singapore.
        4. A long logistic shoulder seriously raises the value of goods.
        5. There are in all countries.
        6. So everywhere, this is not a Russian feature.

        So why do people leave the country?

        I agree, it is stupid to hope for these problems, since there is only one problem, young specialists have a desire, but there is no way to realize themselves, therefore they leave.
  49. ed65b
    ed65b 17 November 2014 14: 04
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    It’s as if I ended up on Moscow’s echo and under the nicknames of commentators I see completely Sobchak, Ponomarev and Nemtsov. However, the country is also uncomfortable for living, there is no democracy, everything is in zones and in hard labor. but whether to gather YOU gentlemen disgruntled nuns and whether to sail to the shores distant for a better life if you do not like in our country? You don’t have jamon? Migration has always been and will not need to make a bogeyman out of it and frighten itself. The best in our country remain and lead Russia forward, but shit, let them ride, I have no regrets and no sadness. Something Sobchikha with liberal trash do not break over the hill? What is it for?
    1. 70BSN
      70BSN 17 November 2014 14: 31
      +4
      Our country is comfortable good Uncomfortable state negative
    2. saag
      saag 17 November 2014 14: 53
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      Quote: ed65b
      Something Sobchikha with liberal trash do not break over the hill? What is it for?

      Patriots probably ...
    3. Rimlianin
      Rimlianin 17 November 2014 15: 48
      +1
      Listen, do you know people who were called Ponomarev and Germans here? Do you know what they do, what contribution they make to the development of the country? What have you done for Russia to condemn others like this?
  50. chinArmy
    chinArmy 17 November 2014 14: 31
    +8
    Hooray patriots, tell all your arguments to scientists who have a young family and a baby

    As usual, the guard most of all shout to those to whom this is least relevant